Re: Administrivia (was Re: äöòä äòöä)
On Tue, 30 Mar 1999, Vadim Vygonets wrote: Quoth Evgeny Stambulchik on Tue, Mar 30, 1999: Vadim Vygonets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 64KB seems to be one day (or less) on this list. You're right, it's about 100K a day during the last couple of months. So? Should I setup digests to be sent nightly? Nightly works for me. Uri
Re: Linux Socialism in TAU
On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Udi Finkelstein wrote: On Tue, 13 Apr 1999 23:26:00 +0300 (IDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shalom, According to an advertisement I saw today in Tel-Aviv University, the Hadash (Communist Party) student group will hold tomorrow (Wednesday) at 18:00 in Gilman 277 a meeting in which someone called Gadi Koozma will speak about "Linux: Socialism in the Sphere of Software". See http://agalmics.nu/ The problem is that what works for the software world, may not work for the non-software world. If I've just finished a kernel patch, millions of people will enjoy my code while it wouldn't cost me anything. OTOH, giving away material goods (such as money) means you no longer have these goods. Assuming this is not the remains of some April fools day joke, it looks like it could be fun. It can be interesting, but any attempts to imply on the applicability of socialism or communism for real world economy is a joke, for the reasons I have stated above. The reasons you have stated above have very little to do with either '-ism' IMO. Furthermore, the inapplicability of the software example to other RL domains, which is a conclusion I agree with, for different reasons, also implies nothing about those same RL domains. Uri
Re: two in one :)
It's documented in "Core PHP Programming" - didn't actually try to throw anything at it yet. Uri On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: This is a very good news, I wonder why its not documented anywhere. Any one have the mail of Zeev Suraski so he can add it to the documents ? Ilya Konstantinov wrote: First of all, I have wrote my perfect, or almost perfect, flipping script inPHP, including numbers, english and wrapping. It's quite slow. But that's not the point - Zeev Suraski already did the work for us, though didn't document it anywhere. hebrev(), a built-in function reverses hebrew flawlessly. Just print hebrev($string). Much faster than any PHP-only function doing the same, ofcourse. Actually, you'll find one reference to it, if you go to www.php.net - Credits - click Zeev Suraski. -- Best regards, Ilya Konstantinov a.k.a Toastie [http://toast.demon.co.il] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-6-6925757 Fax: 972-6-6925858 http://www.canaan.co.il -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Webmaster Needed!!!
Webmaster (job 401) 1. Knowledge in Unix and HTML, and experience in perl. 2. Familiarity with c/php/sql - an advantage. 3. The position requires, among other things, providing customer service by phone, and interdepartamental coordination. 4. The position is avaiable in Haifa. 5. The position is a long term position. 6. The position is a full time position, and requires an organized, responsible person. CVs should be sent to: - fax - 04-8676088 - POB 5402, Haifa 31054 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please specify job 401. Thanks, Uri = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
linux.org.il webmaster ?
Hello, I am looking for the correct email address of the linux.org.il webmaster. I believe that most recently Alex Dubrovsky took the post, although I may be wrong. Thanks, Uri = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Looking for perl programmers
Hi, Actcom is looking for perl programmers. We are located in Haifa. CVs can be sent directly to me, via email, or to fax 04-8676088, please specify "for Uri, job 402" Thanks, Uri = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FW: January IVCUG Meeting
On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, guy keren wrote: btw, as for celebrities - this is fun once or twice, but eventually, it tends to be repeteteive, and boring. not to mention one great disadvantage - they carry out the talk in english, and this makes it less fluent then it could be, when done in hebrew. Interesting point. Just to take it a bit further, having done some simultaeous interpretation, I think either simultaneous or consecutive interpretation of such a lecture would be non-trivial, not to mention aesthetically unsatisfying for the interpreter, due to the nature of the bulk of the jargon. Uri guy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bidi in mozilla (fwd)
Saw something similar on macs back when, on Arabic texts that were imported from non-mac. This has to do with a misapplication of the bidi algorithm to non-directional characters such as spaces, intepreting all "normal" spaces as LTR spaces, and only RTL spaces (there's a different code for those) as RTL spaces. The bidi algorithm is supposed to figure out itself whether a space is RTL or LTR. thanks, Uri On Sun, 2 Apr 2000, Isaac Aaron wrote: That is the exact thing that was screwed up on Mozilla's bidi support. They have reversed the order of the character display, but not the actual placing of the words. I think maybe that has something to do with the Windows support for bidi, because onWindows you get iso-8859-8 encodings correctly. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Tzafrir! On Wed, Mar 29, 2000 at 08:08:22AM +0200, you wrote the following: Anybody here tested the new bidi support in mozilla? I went to http://www.microsoft.com/israel/ with M14, and it showed a very interesting thing -- each word by itself was written correctly (not reversed), but the words in each paragraph were written from left to right, like English text. Although it's better than how Netscape 4 handles it :-), I hope they fix it someday. -- Alex Shnitman| http://www.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] +--- http://alexsh.hectic.netUIN 188956PGP key on web page E1 F2 7B 6C A0 31 80 28 63 B8 02 BA 65 C7 8B BA /real/ kernel hackers dd if=/dev/urandom of=/vmlinuz and influence the Universal Randomosity Field. -- Gaal Yahas = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sendmail and TZ
Israeli Daylight Savings time is GMT+3 not GMT+2. So the time zone is fine in those headers. On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, David Tabachnikov (NetHunter) wrote: I don't know, (I dislike timezones, and daylight saving time, and time at all ;), thats why all my clocks are still on the previous time), but I guess the fact that your timezone is +3 instead of +2 got something to do with it. Mike Almogy wrote: Hi list. I have a problem with Sendmail dates. I updated my TZ files (from ftp.huji.ac.il) and done what was written there. Now, when i'm sending and reciving mail i keep getting the date -2 Hours. here is the message header : Received: from lizard (lizard.mofet.macam98.ac.il [192.114.206.29]) by mail.mofet.macam98.ac.il (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA01616 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:39:49 +0300 (IDT) Posted-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:39:49 +0300 (IDT) Received-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:39:49 +0300 (IDT) Message-ID: 002701bfa908$53725ea0$[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Mike Almogy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: =?windows-1255?B?9/jg?= Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:33:01 +0100 As you can see the date is ok but it looks like the TZ is wrong. is it true ? How can i fix it ? Thanks, Mike === "Live now, you can die later" = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regads, David Tabachnikov (NetHunter) Please sign the Linux driver petition at http://www.libranet.com/petition.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: procmail
Hi, The unfiltered mail goes to whatever is in DEFAULT. So you can just add, on the top of your .procmailrc DEFAULT=/full/path/of/your/inbox Thanks, Uri On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Bareket wrote: Hi guys, I managed to filter the mail with procmail. The filter worked fine, but where are the non-filtered mails gone..? Do you have any ideas of what i missed in the procmail : This is the content of the procmailrc file: :0: * ^Subject:.*bug bug and this is the content of the .qmail file: |preline procmail I indeed got a all the mails with the subject 'bug' into the file bug. But i stopped recieving any other mails without the 'bug' in the subject. Thanks, Bareket = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kosher vs. Non-Kosher (was Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner)
And even doing things for appearances sake ("Mar'it Ayin") is not so clear
cut. If you do something for "Mar'it Ayin", then it is a legitimate
argument, by some orthodox people as well, that it were better had you not
observed the rule at all.
Now personally, when dining in a group some of which eats kosher, I'd
prefer a kosher place, and being vegeterian, some vegeterian selection is
necessary. It is more common to find vegeterian selections which are
certainly vegeterian in kosher places (although I have been offered fish
in kosher places a few times when I asked about the vegerian selection -
I usually reply that while I'm sure the fish was vegeterian when he was
alive...)
Thanks,
Uri
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Gavrie Philipson wrote:
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Subject: Kosher vs. Non-Kosher (was Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner)
Well, After reading the thread about the linux dinner, I might point out
several points which will help to choose resturant:
A. Kosher-keepers can always eat vegtables. I know you want the plate to
be kosher as well, but you are advised to open the Halacha and find out
that this is "Siag" that was added only in the recent years (do you really
think that in the second house time, when people were poor, they held two
plates sets?).
Well, IANAR (I'm not a Rabbi). Are you one? However, the mere deed of
sitting and eating in a non-kosher restaurant is Halachically forbidden,
because of something called "Mar'it Ayin": If someone sees an observant Jew
eating in a non-kosher place, he may think that the place is kosher and eat
there too. Therefore, your point is moot.
Gavrie.
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Re: Logical - Visual Hebrew in Python
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Itamar Shtull-Trauring wrote: If anyone's interested I have a C module (based off ICU) that converts logical to visual Hebrew. It should be able to run on Unix and Windows, although Win32 will only be tested once I get Visual C++. Next up, integration with Zope (might be useful for IGLU.org.il...) FYI, both the PHP3 and the Perl algorithms are broken. The nicest algorithm Which perl algorithms? is FriBidi, but ICU also works decently. -- Itamar S.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fingerprint = D365 7BE8 B81E 2B18 6534 025E D0E7 92DB E441 411C = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: M$ ad
The only thing missing from that ad is "The Computer is Your Friend" :) On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, guy keren wrote: On Sun, 22 Oct 2000, Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo wrote: OH That's a new M$ advertisement in german, first one against Linux. OH http://www.koehntopp.de/kris/msad.jpg Anybody cares to translate what's actually written there? the linuxmall.com article contains the add's translation. look at their web site. guy "For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator." -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS internal network compromised
Which can be done in court behind closed doors. Moot point. On Fri, 27 Oct 2000, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Sorry, but you're wrong.. Since most of Linux applications are open source - they cannot say it's stolen, cause if they'll say that - then they'll have to show their code and prove that it's the same... Hetz "Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo" wrote: AJ Apparantely, the Windows and MS Office source code was stolen (I'm not AJ joking here). AJ AJ Take a look at MSNBC: AJ http://www.msnbc.com/news/481927.asp Actually, this is very bad news. Now nothing stops Microsoft lawyers from twarting any compatibility effort not driven by Microsoft with accusaions of using stolen code. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/ There shall be counsels taken Stanislav Malyshev /\ Stronger than Morgul-spells phone +972-3-9316425/\ JRRT LotR. http://sharat.co.il/frodo/ whois:!SM8333 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Palm - Linux in Hebrew
On Sun, 29 Oct 2000, Erez Boym wrote: Some one needs to change all the labels, menus and commands and to make the right changes to in the code so I'll support "Right To Left" etc. In application where all labels and menu commands are defined outside the code as "resources", and you have a nice little interface to allow non-programmers to edit those "resources" without mucking up the files, you can get a translator to do that. Uri Please correct me if I'm wrong but Hebrew support in QT is not going to give us a Hebrew version of Word Perfect or KOffice. Don't you think that it's about time we make a Hebrw distribution ? Erez __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian mirror in Palestine
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: I don't lugh at them, but I joined .il mailing list and not pl, sk , ru or what ever. and il = mean Israel. If there are Palestinian users they should open their own list or behave by the moral code which are held in israel. Regardless of the ideological/culture-jamming aspects of this thread, there is sufficient similarity between Arabic and Hebrew to make some issues discussed on this mailing list of interest to Arabic speakers. Thanks, Uri Marc can open a new pglu to our neighbors, and stop upsetting people. any why currently im recycling what other have said. Ely Levy wrote: you can laugh even harder in the palatine authority every software is almost complitly free they make a living out of it and the israelis get almost everything in the 2 days after its out. it's like a really big buiss *addmiting nothing* Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: | | | Ben-Nes Michael wrote: | | This mirror will be a big use for Gaza and Jericho :P | | Don't laugh too hard. I have a nagging suspicion (but no real proofs) | that the residents of the palestine authority and their ilks make much | more use of Free Software, for obvious economical reasons, from the | a typical Israeli user. | | Gilad. | | | | -- | Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://benyossef.com :: +972(54)756701 | "Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong, while interrupts are disabled. " | --Murphy's law of kernel programing. | | | = | To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with | the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command | echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6925757 Fax: 972-4-6925858 http://www.canaan.co.il -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adsl - Linux vs. Win9x
Just to add something here. I've been hearing the story of "only in Israel we get such low speed where the rest of the world has great high speed internet" for years now. First it was with the 28s, then 33, then 56s So I think this quote from Jim Seymour (PC magazine), even though it was written almost two years ago, is apt: " First, V.90 is not magic, and those legendary 56K connections are as elusive as ever. (Actually, of course, they're limited to 53 Kbps on the receiving side, thanks to an irrelevant government regulation limiting 56K devices to 53 Kbps. Irrelevant? Sure: Just as I've never seen a 33.6-Kbps connection outside a closed-loop test in a lab, I've never seen a 56-Kbps connection, nor even a 53-Kbps link, away from the test bench. Welcome to the real world.) My experience with 56K modems--both x2 (3Com/U.S. Robotics) and K56flex (Rockwell and the rest of the modem universe)--is that if you get into the mid-30s Kbps range, you're doing pretty well. Get into the low-40s Kbps range and you're having a Good Modem Day indeed. " ..not only in Israel and some participants in this thread might like to read a bit what Dvorak has to say about lots of small ISPs stateside. On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, guy keren wrote: for a slight comparison - in 1996, a fiber-optic T1 link to the states cost about 1,000,000$ per year. a satellite link cost around 750,000$. at those days you could fit approximately 200 concurrent users on such a link to give them their full bandwidth (of an 28.8kbps modem). these days, you can buy such links at a price of (approximately) 100,000$ or 200,000$ a year (i might be wrong by a factorof 2, btw). so the price was reduced by a factor of 5 or 10. at the same time, the bandwidth users take has grown significantly - many business users using frame relay and sifranet links. regular modems download at approx. 40kbps (assuming a 57.6kbpsmodem manages to make a connection on at that speed due to various line condition problems). many users use ISDN (64kbps). some use dual isdn (128kbps), and a few use ADSL and cable modems. so you can't put 200 users on a T1 link now - you can put much less then that (probably 100 or less, to get a satisfactory speed). = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adsl - Linux vs. Win9x
On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Ely Levy wrote: No one talked about the v.90 that complitly diffrent issue. a lot related to old phone lines. btw I bet this artical isn't that new. It isn't new, I wrote that in my original mail. I know that v.90 is not ADSL, my point was, as I wrote in my original mail, and is still quoted below, is that back when that was written we were hearnig exactly the same complaints we are hearing today, as if supposedly, only in Israel we don't get the high speed connection that everyone else is , supposedly, getting. When that was written, that was considered "high speed" - nowadays, ADSL is considered high speed. Different eras, different techonologies, same complaints, same amount of realism. Thanks Uri Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Uri Bruck wrote: | | | Just to add something here. I've been hearing the story of "only in Israel | we get such low speed where the rest of the world has great high speed | internet" for years now. First it was with the 28s, then 33, then 56s | | So I think this quote from Jim Seymour (PC magazine), even though it was | written almost two years ago, is apt: | | " | First, V.90 is not magic, and those legendary 56K connections are as | elusive as ever. (Actually, of course, they're limited to 53 Kbps onthe | receiving side, thanksto an irrelevant government regulation limiting 56K | devices to 53 Kbps. Irrelevant? Sure: Just as I've never seen a 33.6-Kbps | connection outside a closed-loop test in a lab, I've never seen a 56-Kbps | connection, nor even a 53-Kbps link, away from the test bench. Welcome to | the real world.) | | My experience with 56K modems--both x2 (3Com/U.S. Robotics) and K56flex | (Rockwell and the rest of the modem universe)--is that if you get into | the mid-30s Kbps range, you're doing pretty well. Get into the low-40s | Kbps range and you're having a Good Modem Day indeed. | " | | ..not only in Israel | | and some participants in this thread might like to read a bit what Dvorak | has to say about lots of small ISPsstateside. | | | | On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, guy keren wrote: | | | for a slight comparison - in 1996, a fiber-optic T1 link to the states | cost about 1,000,000$ per year. a satellite link cost around 750,000$. | at those days you could fit approximately 200 concurrent users on such a | link to give them their full bandwidth (of an 28.8kbps modem). | these days, you can buy such links at a price of (approximately) 100,000$ | or 200,000$ a year (i might be wrong by a factorof 2, btw). so the price | was reduced by a factor of 5 or 10. at the same time, the bandwidth users | take has grown significantly - many business users using frame relay and | sifranet links. regular modems download at approx. 40kbps (assuming a | 57.6kbpsmodem manages to make a connection on at that speed due to | various line condition problems). many users use ISDN (64kbps). some use | dual isdn (128kbps), and a few use ADSL and cable modems. so you can't put | 200 users on a T1 link now - you can put much less then that (probably 100 | or less, to get a satisfactory speed). | | | = | To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with | the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command | echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Adsl - Linux vs. Win9x
http://www.zdnet.com/zdhelp/stories/main/0,5594,2570300-1,00.html On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Uri Bruck wrote: On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Ely Levy wrote: No one talked about the v.90 that complitly diffrent issue. a lot related to old phone lines. btw I bet this artical isn't that new. It isn't new, I wrote that in my original mail. I know that v.90 is not ADSL, my point was, as I wrote in my original mail, and is still quoted below, is that back when that was written we were hearnig exactly the same complaints we are hearing today, as if supposedly, only in Israel we don't get the high speed connectionthat everyone else is , supposedly, getting. When that was written, that was considered "high speed" - nowadays, ADSL is considered high speed. Different eras, different techonologies, same complaints, same amount of realism. Thanks Uri Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Uri Bruck wrote: | | | Just to add something here. I've been hearing the story of "only in Israel | we get such low speed where the rest of the world has great high speed | internet" for years now. First it was with the 28s, then 33, then 56s | | So I think this quote from Jim Seymour (PC magazine), even though it was | written almost two years ago, is apt: | | " | First, V.90 is not magic, and those legendary 56K connections are as | elusive as ever. (Actually, of course, they're limited to 53 Kbps onthe | receiving side, thanksto an irrelevant government regulation limiting 56K | devices to 53 Kbps. Irrelevant? Sure: Just as I've never seen a 33.6-Kbps | connection outside a closed-loop test in a lab, I've never seen a 56-Kbps | connection, nor even a 53-Kbps link, away from the test bench. Welcome to | the real world.) | | My experience with 56K modems--both x2 (3Com/U.S. Robotics) and K56flex | (Rockwell and the rest of the modem universe)--is that if you get into | the mid-30s Kbps range, you're doing pretty well. Get into the low-40s | Kbps range and you're having a Good Modem Day indeed. | " | | ..not only in Israel | | and some participants in this thread might like to read a bit what Dvorak | has to say about lots of small ISPsstateside. | | | | On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, guy keren wrote: | | | for a slight comparison - in 1996, a fiber-optic T1 link to the states | cost about 1,000,000$ per year. a satellite link cost around 750,000$. | at those days you could fit approximately 200 concurrent users on such a | link to give them their full bandwidth (of an 28.8kbps modem). | these days, you can buy such links at a price of (approximately) 100,000$ | or 200,000$ a year (i might be wrong by a factorof 2, btw). so the price | was reduced by a factor of 5 or 10. at the same time, the bandwidth users | take has grown significantly - many business users using frame relay and | sifranet links. regular modems download at approx. 40kbps (assuming a | 57.6kbpsmodem manages to make a connection on at that speed due to | various line condition problems). many users use ISDN (64kbps). some use | dual isdn (128kbps), and a few use ADSL and cable modems. so you can't put | 200 users on a T1 link now - you can put much less then that (probably 100 | or less, to get a satisfactory speed). | | | = | To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with | the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command | echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bloatware (OT)
On 25 Mar 2001, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: guy keren [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: btw, i don't only see microsoft's products as bloated. the same goes for KDE, gnome and other graphic applications. IMHO a lot depends on your modus operandi. It is very easy to accuse, say, XEmacs of being bloated if you think in terms of starting a new XEmacs to have a look at a couple of lines in a file (is there a Windows tool that allows one to quickly look at a couple of lines in a Word file, by the way, or is starting Word the only option?). If, Wordview - it's a freeware word file viewer that can be downloaded from the MS site. (They started giving it away on the assumption that if more people can read word files, than more people will have reason to write them). The downside - no Hebrew support. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL and IP's
Hi Miki, Actcom gives you a static IP with your ADSL service. The IP is assigned to your username when you first open the ADSL account (when ADSL is enabled for your account) - and it must be in a range defined for the redback your ADSL line is connected through. If Bezeq will change the redback for your ADSL line in the future, thena new IP will be assigned for you from the range of the new redback. Other than such a change, I don't know of another reason why anyone might need to change your IP. IP shortage should not be an issue here. Thanks, Uri On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Miki Shapiro wrote: Hi everyone! I'm running an ADSL link, and always get the same real IP from Actcom, whenever I open the pptp tunnel. Can anyone from actcom say anything about their DSL-client IP assignment criteria? is it per-user? is it somehow time-oriented? isit going to change due to IP shortage anytime soon? (within, say, the next 4-6 months.. long term plans are irrelevant). Can actcom clients say if they noticed different IP's on different connections? or even a reassignment during operation? I wanted to point an MX record at myself at home.. my box rarely goes down/offline (It's online from the moment it enters runlevel 2) and is UPS'd , and even then.. so far.. I always got the same address (so far...) Thx! -- Miki Shapiro SoftwareDeveloper Aladdin Knowledge Systems - Sex. Unix. Snowboarx. - = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WANTED: A Gnome/Enlightenment screenshot
Would a photo of a garden gnome do? On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, Oren Held wrote: Hello! I need for my site a nice gnome and/or enlightenment screenshot to attract users to use Linux.. If anybody here uses one of these (or a combination of them both), and is able to burn 2 minutes of his time, please make a nice screenshot and send me.. Thanks in advance. Cya, Oren. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AbiWord - hebrew (fwd)
I installed one on Windows, where it showed Hebrew fonts, but when I looked at the files it saved (xml) I found that it uses an encoding I couldn't recognize for Hebrew. Aleph = d790 Bet = d791 etc. I haven't had a chance to inquire about this, but could ths related to the original question? Thanks, Uri On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Yedidya Bar-david wrote: Hi I too havn't managed to make it use X fonts. It can use Type 1 fonts, though. I have put the pfa files from elmar in /usr/local/lib/AbiSuite/fonts/ISO-8859-8, with 'LANG=he_IL.ISO-8859-8', and it at least managed to open Hebrew word files (with a broken bidi, but much better than anything else I tried). I havn't yet tried to even *write* hebrew in it (e.g. havn't yet put a correct hebrew keymap). didi On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 12:18:31AM +0300, Oren Held wrote: Hello People I'vejust installed AbiWord for Linux. I cannot make it use a hebrew font. Anybody suceeded ? Thanks, Oren. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AbiWord - hebrew
I installed one on Windows, where it showed Hebrew fonts, but when I looked at the files it saved (xml) I found that it uses an encoding I couldn't recognize for Hebrew. Aleph = d790 Bet = d791 etc. I haven't had a chance to inquire about this, but could ths related to the original question? Thanks, Uri On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Yedidya Bar-david wrote: Hi I too havn't managed to make it use X fonts. It can use Type 1 fonts, though. I have put the pfa files from elmar in /usr/local/lib/AbiSuite/fonts/ISO-8859-8, with 'LANG=he_IL.ISO-8859-8', and it at least managed to open Hebrew word files (with a broken bidi, but much better than anything else I tried). I havn't yet tried to even *write* hebrew in it (e.g. havn't yet put a correct hebrew keymap). didi On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 12:18:31AM +0300, Oren Held wrote: Hello People I'vejust installed AbiWord for Linux. I cannot make it use a hebrew font. Anybody suceeded ? Thanks, Oren. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AbiWord - hebrew
Thanks. I suppose I should have looked up that one On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 11:05:09AM +0300, Uri Bruck wrote: I installed one on Windows, where it showed Hebrew fonts, but when I looked at the files it saved (xml) I found that it uses an encoding I couldn't recognize for Hebrew. Aleph = d790 Bet = d791 This is UTF-8, which is used as an internal encoding throughout Abiword. -- Best regards, Ilya Konstantinov = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bidi support for Linux
On Thu, 10 May 2001, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 01:04:35PM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote: It depends what you mean by #1: if you mean switch language and the local direction that goes with it, than you are not missing anything. But Ehud wrote Direction unchanged, Hebrew, etc., and in that case something was missing (I thought your #2 was missing from his suggestion and he split your #1 into two different bindings, but maybe I misunderstood). Hebrew cannot be inputted direction-unchanged. As to the cursor But it input alignment unchabged, and I think that's he meant. That is, a left-aligned Herew paragraph. As for testing how things actually work on Windows, The behavior on Windows in widgets and in applications is not necessarily the same. In widgets: leftCtrl-Shift = align left rightCtrl-Shift = align right altShift = toggle between the first R2L and first L2R languages As for when this happens, in the ?Ctrl-Shift case, the change happens when the shift key is released, provided the Ctrl key is still down. It does not happen if the Ctrl key is releasd first. in the altShift case, it happens when either key is released. In Word, f'rinstance. ctrlShift changes both language and alignment, and altShift toggles between all the installed languages. In Notepad, language and alignment always go together. Not necessarily a model to go by. Alignment and language need not be married to each other. Thanks, Uri marker being swapped, it's a purely cosmetic feature. In current GTK 1.3, it's swapped after you enter a single letter of an RTL language and swapped back with a single letter of an LTR language. I suggested Owen Taylor to make it detect the group changes, but it doesn't seem to be a high priority for now ... So I assume he meant the widget directionality. -- Best regards, Ilya Konstantinov = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bidi support for Linux
Way back I used to read an Arabic computing mailing, some members of which were reading this list too. I'll try to look them up. On Thu, 10 May 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: small question has anybody aksed our cousins about what they are thinking? What are they doing? Maybe all arabic speakers had come with a good solution. and if we want to change the world, thinking about how a user will act, we must remember that hebrew is not the only bidirectional lenguage. (btw: I think the scroll lock sulutions of one of the best, it should be a secondary way to change the direction of heberw text writing). - diego = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
no linux GUI in 97?
I know that date is wrong, but one of the Captain Internet writers seems to think that when linux first showed up in 1997 it had no GUI. Seems to have strange ideas on when linux showed up. Anyone wants to set him straight one that? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bidi support for Linux
On Sun, 13 May 2001, Oded Arbel wrote: On Fri, 11 May 2001, Uri Bruck wrote: As for testing how things actually work on Windows, The behavior on Windows in widgets and in applications is not necessarily the same. In widgets: It is consistent across widgets drawn by the OS's graphical toolkit. it Which my heading suggests itself. I made the distinction between widgets and applications. isn't consistant in applications that draw the screen themselves - like MS-Word, and I don't think we should take this as an example - similar inconsistency apears in many Unix/Linux applications. As for when this happens, in the ?Ctrl-Shift case, the change happens when the shift key is released, provided the Ctrl key is still down. It does not happen if the Ctrl key is releasd first. Not so in 2k or 98se. I'm not sure where you tested this, but the I tested this on everything bu 2k In notepad you can - like in all memo widgets - to change the alignment or just the writing direction. changing alignment implies changing direction, but not vice versa. this behaviour is very consistant. I think we are using different terminology her.e Not necessarily a model to go by. Alignment and language need not be married to each other. It is a model to go by. 1. not necessarily does not mean no. 2. The widgets model by itself is fine. The fact that it's not carried over to all applications is the part i'd do without. Within the context of my letter, that is definitely part of the model language isn't dependant on alignment, but writing direction should be changed when alignment is changed - and hence the current language (If I switched the widgets alignment from LTR to RTL, I think it's safe to assume that I also dont want to write in english any more). the way it should work (I think. I'm also not sure how MS handles it), is to keep two seperate cache lists - one for RTL and one for LTR, and when alignment changes to get the recently used language that match the widget's alignment. Oded = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OpenSourceSchools Journal Online
On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, Nadav Har'El wrote: Anyway, one education official was interviewed for the paper, and what suprised me the most was that he said that one of the worst things about your school's computers being stolen is that the insurance only covers hardware, not software, and they end up needing to get money to buy all the software again! One would assume that software companies would simply allow you to reinstall the same software on replacement computers (the installation CDs can be kept in a seperate safe place), without paying again - but apparently they refuse to allow that! This has nothing to do with the software companies. A software company has no problem witha register user reinstalling without paying for another license. It's the technicians installing it who provide the mis-information, and the customer not understanding that they are paying for a license to use the software rather than for transfer of ownership of anything. I don't think you are correct. Remember, the school system is a big system, with a lot of money, lawyers, and so on. If reinstalling was legal they would have already figured it out, and refuse to pay the large sums of wasted money (which they cry about in the paper) to the technicians. Nadav, I am correct, I followed the url given by someone else on this thread who also though I was wrong, and found there the following link (to a 762k rtf file): http://www.microsoft.com/israel/piracy/license_nov98.rtf It says explicitly that it's ok to buy just one set of installation disks, and any number of licenses (license+disk costs more than just the license), as long as the number of installations does not exceed the number of licenses. Education licenses are cheaper, and they are also non-transeferable to non-educational organizations, in contrast with a private license, which is trasnferable. A non-transferable OEM license is for the OS only, so for the OS you would be right, they need to buy another copy. There si no such restriction for application. For office applications, the primay user may install an additional copy, on his/her own private laptop. So having actually read MS's documentation on this: 1. For the OS itself - you were right. 2. For office applications - I was right. and that whole no-insurance for software thing is a load of BS. Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net IANAL, but I think that legally, when you buy some software (e.g., Microsoft Bob) you buy the privilige of installing it on one computer. As long as that computer is still running the software somewhere - regardless if it was given away, stolen, or whatever - you cannot legally install the software again on another computer. I assume the education ministry's lawyers already tried to find a loophole which will allow them to install software on replacement computers, but couldn't find one. If it was up to me (again, not a lawyer), I'd say that the thief is now running a pirated copy and I'm running the legal copy - but I guess the BSA goons probably don't agree. BTW, the situation is even more complicated by Microsoft monopolistic sales methods. Microsoft knows that (in Israel, but to a lesser degree also in the U.S) if people were given the choice they'd buy a computer without an O/S, copying Microsoft Windows from a friend (and saving a few hundred dollars). This is why they have the following deal (scam?) with computer sellers: they give the sellers MS-Windows for half (or whatever) price, if they sign a contract that more than 95% of the new computers they sell will have MS-Windows pre-installed on them. These sellers will then flat-out refuse any buyer's request to buy a computer without Windows on it, so if you buy a new computer from them you're stuck with having to buy Windows again. -- Nadav Har'El| Monday, Oct 8 2001, 21 Tishri 5762 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |If you lost your left arm, your right arm http://nadav.harel.org.il |would be left. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tip: Upgrading the SSH Daemon
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Nadav Har'El wrote: SPOILER WARING I hope I'm not spoiling anyone's fun, but here's what I would have done: Send my packaged locked (with my lock). The receiver can't open this, but he can put another lock on the same place (I'm assuming it's a sort of hanging lock and there's enough place to hang two locks on the same place - I don't know if that is what you meant). He sends this doubly-locked package to me, where I take off the original lock I put, and send the package back to the receiver. The package is still safe, because it carries his lock. The receiver can now take off his lock and take out the stuff from the package. And how is that relevant to Linux? :) ssh uses cryptography. The above can be used as a model for some forms of cryptography. Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Care and Feeding of Stupids (was: Re: stupid me)
On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Nimrod Simba Carmi wrote: Hey everyone, Speaking of newbie question -- A while ago, I posted here a message looking for programmers to help us build a content engine system for School Sucks. I got tens of flames about it, people were amazed how come I dared asking for programmers without willing to pay more then 20$/hour. Let's see. schoolsucks is a site that sells readymade homework essays, with links to something called cheathouse.com, at some point during that thread you are refering to, you stated, IIRC, that if a high tax bracket is a problem, you have no problem paying under the table and you are wondering what the hell is wrong with that? Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Care and Feeding of Stupids (was: Re: stupid me)
On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Nimrod Simba Carmi wrote: Hey, On Saturday 29 December 2001 02:45, Uri Bruck wrote: Let's see. schoolsucks is a site that sells readymade homework essays, with links to something called cheathouse.com, at some point during that thread you are refering to, you stated, IIRC, that if a high tax bracket is a problem, you have no problem paying under the table and you are wondering what the hell is wrong with that? Heh, I was offering you a better payment option, nobody asked you to take it! Some of us may not be very comfortable with being accessories to a crime (or is it a felony?) - the people on this list are the ones who use the OS you don't need to steal to get for free. But then, I don't think I've seen before people who publically anounce their intent to break the law - so at you least you provided me with some amusement. And no, School Sucks does not sell readymade essays, it provides them for free. The differance is that teachers can browse them freely aswell, and someone else from your class might turn in the same paper. Thats why we're just an info source and not a source for plagiarism. Today's kids are smarter then you think ;) You mean they have more elaborate ways of cheating? Turning in essays without the benefit of having learned anything? Or that they know your BS spin for what it is? How is using your info source any different than writing a book report after reading the jacket, or Duvshani? What kind of quality do these info sources have? I took a look at that site just now. Under subjects you list miscelaneaous (shonot) as the first subject. If it's the first subject then what is it shonot from? Using this as an info source is not even kissing through a handkerchief, it's kissing through a bloody wall. Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Care and Feeding of Stupids (was: Re: stupid me)
On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Nimrod Simba Carmi wrote: Excuse me? The shonot is shonot from the rest of the subjects, if you're unable to understand that when you look at that menu -- maybe its best that you dont .. I know that's what it's supposed to mean - that's why it has to appear last, not first. Using this as an info source is not even kissing through a handkerchief, it's kissing through a bloody wall. huh? And you have the chutspa to criticize the education system? Your reply here exhibits your ignorance. Now I know for certain what job is worth $50 an hour - giving you private lessons in one last attempt to fill the void of your schooling years. Thank you for providing me with some amusement, and save your keystrokes - I'm out of this thread. Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Care and Feeding of Stupids (was: Re: stupid me)
On Sat, 29 Dec 2001, Nimrod Simba Carmi wrote: Dear Mr Law abiding citizen, On Saturday 29 December 2001 16:32, Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: Since abiding by the law means reporting intent or offers to break the law (unless bound by special strictures like lawyers or doctors, which is not the case here), it is my duty to offer Nimrod Carmi's name to my beloved chapter of the IRS. You are welcome to do that, IRS are welcome to come over and check my notes and books, they are all clean, well arranged and by all the rules, and you do not have any proof wether I did, or did not post any message about it in the far past. So you believe that no one on this list is intelligent enough to search the list archives and locate this: http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Linux/maillists/01/04/msg00347.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: StarOffice - IBM's Hebrew
Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: What about RTF? It generally takes more place (due to a very inefficient encoding of hebrew. Something in the lines of quoted-printable) but it is readable by any decent word processor (word95/7/0/xp, qtext, etc.) In fact, maybe you can simply take an RTF document, give it a .doc extension, and feed it to word as a word document (this is roughly what word200's hebrew word97/95 export filter does) Why would you need to change the extension? Word reads rtf as-is. So does Wordpad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Basic Compiler
On Sat, 9 Feb 2002, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Well, for one reason that you got tons of stupid MCSE people who don't know nothing from their lives and are simply too lazy to learn something real(tm)... Remember 10 years ago what language they tought at school for newbies? logo - fd 10, rt 90 fd 50 - remember this shit? Considering that logo was never intended as a language for application development, but rather as a language for teaching concepts, geometrical concepts would be the most obvious ones, but it can also demontrate iteration, breaking up a problem into smaller problems, etc. this criticism is completely misplaced. Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Gates donations, etc.
MSNBC is a joint Microsoft NBC thing, I don't know exactly who owns which part. As for Microsoft donation, there ar ea number of aspects for this. In the US, charitable donations are tax deductible. MS had a charity program for several years, where it gives a dollar for every dollar donated by an employee through its program. It addition for having lower prices for educational institutions, sometimes it donates computers+software to schools - good for schools, they get it cheap, good for MS - more people associate computer with Windows (Apple did this back in the 80s Recently it offered to donate computers and software worth (some very large sum) as part of its settlement. There is/was an appeal against this by several states, claiming that this would just put MS software in more schools, and would sort of defeat the point of the anti-trust trial (not that those states offered an alternative, they weren't sending out armies of installers with linux distros anywhere...) Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2002, Efraim Yawitz wrote about OT: Gates donations, etc.: This is a bit OT, but does anyone have any reactions to Bill Gates' recent donation of $24G to some kind of charity foundation (featured on the cover of Newsweek last week)? I'd appreciate an URL of some responses in the free software community. By the way, does the guy really own Time and Newsweek as well as NBC? How close is he to taking over the world? Last time I checked, NBC was owned by GE. No way Bill Gates bought GE - not even he can affort it ;) I haven't heard of any of the other rumors you mention (24G - you mean 24 billion??). Care to give pointers? -- Nadav Har'El| Tuesday, Feb 12 2002, 30 Shevat 5762 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |There are 2 ways to do it - my way and http://nadav.harel.org.il |the right way = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LSB--CAN IT HELP NETWORK MANAGERS COPE WITH LINUX?
LSB--CAN IT HELP NETWORK MANAGERS COPE WITH LINUX? The Linux Standard Base (LSB), a specification that would establish interoperability among various Linux distributions, holds many potential benefits for network managers. The idea [behind LSB] is that if everything is in a standard place, applications will be portable from one distribution to the next, explained Nathan Walp, a systems administrator and developer in Virginia. University of Wisconsin systems administrator Tony Hammond said LSB would help him port a Linux distribution from one vendor to another as he works to build his own custom Linux implementation. Observers said the biggest benefit for network managers will be the ability to define common locations for software libraries. LSB will also help the transfer of Linux server management duties among administrators, according to Walp. (Earthweb, 12 February 2002) Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: star office
Sun distinguishes between star office and open office. Is this just about the former or about both? Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, tal amir wrote: I'm wondering if anyone saw this coming : sun said that star office is no longer under GPL for linux\windows users. ver 6.0 final (upcoming in this may) will be distributed free only for sun solaris. back to MS office, anyone ?? http://whatsup.homelinux.com/article.php?sid=12 tal. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Religous War Bait (sic) (was: Re: Perl Meeting)
Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: begin Adi Stav quotation: On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 10:19:34PM +0200, Omer Zak wrote: Give us a break, let's hold the meeting in a classical Sushi place, in a more pleasant city, and a decent time of the week such as Saturday 12:00. Give us one more break, and make the meeting one of Python and Scheme fans, rather than of Perl addicts. Yes. Let's hold it in English -- Hebrew is totally unsuseable in discussion of technical matters :) So - we're gonna be holding a meeting in Eilat, eating raw christian children and discussing SNOBOL in Anglo-Saxon? Would that be Catholics or Protestants? I am all in favour. M = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Translating software to hebrew
On 3 Mar 2002, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think this is much due to the lame Hebrew translations that Israelis are used to seeing everywhere around them. Movies, books, computer software - many times when you look at the original item (on which a talented and educated script-writer, author or programmer worked on, and invested months or years in perfecting) and the translated item, you'll see how annoying the translation is. Translations are (in)famous for missing important points, jokes (where relevant), getting jargon wrong, and so on. A friend of mine used to work for one of the companies doing subtitles for movies and TV programs. The usual mode of operation there was that the dialogues, the narration, etc was supposed to be translated from written text, without seeing the actual movie. A lot of context was lost as a result, from subtleties of meaning and wordplay to really basic stuff such as is that person male or female?. This is not the standard at all subtitling companies. Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No more windows ??
I think the newsforge article misses an important point. From the article: I have friends who work for Microsoft, and they are perfectly nice people. But I'm sorry, this is over the line. A company that makes this kind of threat in response to requests that it follow the basic rules of free enterprise and competitive capitalism Microsoft *is* playing by the rules of competitive capitalism. That's how it got to a big near-monopoly. The emergence of such monstrosities is an inevitable consequence of a free market economy. Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: Didn't know if I should laugh or cry when I saw a post at Newsforge that says the following : Microsoft management is now threatening to stop shipping Windows completely if the next federal court decision goes against them How real, and how logic this so called threat sounds ? I, for one. Think its ridicules, and just shows how desperate MS are about the blow they are about To suffer from the federal court. Full article at newsforge : http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/03/05/0232253mode=thread Little pole a am having at whatsup.co.il about this : http://whatsup.homelinux.com/pollBooth.php?op=resultspollID=11mode=or der=thold= -- Amir Tal, System Administrator Whatsup - Linux related news And support - in hebrew ! icq : 15748705 http://www.whatsup.co.il -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No more windows ??
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Uri Bruck wrote: I think the newsforge article misses an important point. From the article: I have friends who work for Microsoft, and they are perfectly nice people. But I'm sorry, this is over the line. A company that makes this kind of threat in response to requests that it follow the basic rules of free enterprise and competitive capitalism Microsoft *is* playing by the rules of competitive capitalism. That's how it got to a big near-monopoly. The emergence of such monstrosities is an inevitable consequence of a free market economy. What? Can you honestly call the U.S. market, much less the global market, a Laissez-Faire Capitalism one? I don't. When I read my own quoted text, the one you reply to, it seems to me a very clear criticism of the people who pretend that it is, and then go on to idolize it. The reason Microsoft became so big is because it used many techniques which its competitors did not. Most of which were and are legitimate. (refer to the Corel-Draw thread for a small example). In an LFC economy, other companies would have had the sense to do the same. Or they would have revolted against Microsoft and endors an alternative to Win3.11, MS-DOS, Win95, and the rest of Microsoft gaining-power trail. This has nothing to do with an LFC economy. There was nothing in the existing economy that prevented them form doing so. Laissez-Faire is the theory that if we all act like hawks we'll end up like doves - Idonotrememberus (cousin of anonymous) And here's a funny quote about the subject (I think it's from the FreeBSD fortunes): There were in this country two very large monopolies. The larger of the two had the following record: the Vietnam War, Watergate, double-digit inflation, fuel and energy shortages, bankrupt airlines, and the 8-cent postcard. The second was responsible for such things as the transistor, the solar cell, lasers, synthetic crystals, high fidelity stereo recording, sound motion pictures, radio astronomy, negative feedback, magnetic tape, magnetic bubbles, electronic switching systems, microwave radio and TV relay systems, information theory, the first electrical digital computer, and the first communications satellite. Guess which one got to tell the other how to run the telephone business? There are legitimate arguments that claim that breaking up was the best thing that happened to Bell, but that's besides any of the above points. You cannot compare the communications market to the market in which MS grew and thrived. MS grew in an environment that was not highly regulated, partly because it was growing along with the market. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No more windows ??
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UB Microsoft *is* playing by the rules of competitive capitalism. UB That's how it got to a big near-monopoly. The emergence of such UB monstrosities is an inevitable consequence of a free market UB economy. That's a pretty strange claim. I see no base of it. I agree that current state of software industry reveals a tendency for monopolisation - in part, due to lack of inter-vendor standarts culture from one side and desire for stadartized environments for the other side. But this has nothing to do with 'free market economy'. History of economics is tha basis for it. Monopolies can be either set up intentionally as monopolies, and we have many examples in Israel, but then they are also legally more restricted than non-monopolies, or they can arise on their own, and the latter happens quite often in unregulated or weakly regulated economic environments. Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: No more windows ??
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote: I don't know how this topic became economics 101, but I want to return to the quote. If you'll open any operating system concepts book, you will see that separating the shell or the user interface, is very important in order for the os to have a good design. Microsoft has put One point - you CAN use a different shell. There are other shells out there. I don't recall if there are any free options, but there are some shareware options. its monopolistic interests over the design and quality of the product. If there was an ethic committee for these kind of violations they would be disbarred, but because there is not, The public interest is to make Microsoft pay for their mistakes. And as you know, people like to see blood. Microsoft has earned enough of consumer money to make a good product, and if they need to pull it off the shelves to fix it, than so be it. Mind you, the browser is not the only issue, which if I would have to list their indiscretions it would exceed the netiques of this list. I want to point out one of these other issues - security. bill gates openly admitted his organization lack of understanding or compliance with security. Now it is undeniably that Microsoft knew from the beginning that they are putting a product which is insecure on the shelves. I think, this is a more important issue that costs billions each year in security damages by viruses and holes. Not only the damages in monetary quantification, but also insurance policies which have higher premiums as a result, causing less businesses to insure themselves. All in all, I think Microsoft acted irresponsibly. * - * - * Tzahi Fadida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax (+1 Outside the US) 240-597-3213 * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: No more windows ??
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote: Note: Terribly long lines. Please tweak your mailer to cut them. On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote: I don't know how this topic became economics 101, but I want to return to the quote. If you'll open any operating system concepts book, you will see that separating the shell or the user interface, is very important in order for the os to have a good design. Microsoft has put its monopolistic interests over the design and quality of the product. If there was an ethic committee for these kind of violations they would be disbarred, but because there is not, The public interest is to make Microsoft pay for their mistakes. And as you know, people like to see blood. Microsoft has earned enough of consumer money to make a good product, and if they need to pull it off the shelves to fix it, than so be it. Mind you, the browser is not the only issue, which if I would have to list their indiscretions it would exceed the netiques of this list. I want to point out one of these other issues - security. bill gates openly admitted his organization lack of understanding or compliance with security. Now it is undeniably that Microsoft knew from the beginning that they are putting a product which is insecure on the shelves. I think, this is a more important issue that costs billions each year in security damages by viruses and holes. Not only the damages in monetary quantification, but also insurance policies which have higher premiums as a result, causing less businesses to insure themselves. All in all, I think Microsoft acted irresponsibly. Perhaps they did. But the public should have known not to trust what Microsoft gave it and use Linux or FreeBSD or whatever, instead. I hope it's not too off topic, but in a recent PC Magazine, John Dvorak claimed that the linux community doesn't want to see linux take over the desktop because it's the new Priesthood. (please note that I'm not saying that I agree with him) Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net Convincing the public that NT is good is not a crime. The Microsoft Programmers did not introduce the bugs on purpose. MS is notorious for the bad code its programmers produce, but they also have rigorous testing periods, a zero-bug policy (which I'm not sure is extrapolated to their release times, but still it exists), and making sure the product is not re-written from scratch. (which can possibly introduce the old bugs all over again). Naturally, they are not measures that are enough when releasing a piece of software that is responsible for handling requests from an open Internet. If people wish to get MS a chance to make their products more secure, it's up to them. Or they can switch to OpenBSD or Linux or whatever else has a better record. MS does not _force_ anyone to buy its products. If I don't want to use NT/IIS/Exchange at all, I can if I want to. I believe even many open-source developers act irresponsibly. I even have problems with some of Linus Torvalds' decisions. Open-Source is not a a panacea for security. And some commercial products have better records than many open-source ones. I don't think the government should restrict commercial software, because the natural implication would be that free software will have to be restricted to. I mentioned it on Hackers-IL, that Freecell Solver does not check for malloc() returning NULL and so may cause the process to segfault if you ran out of memory. That will make implementing a kick-ass multi-threaded Freecell solving server a bit difficult. Now, I do not prohibit people from using Freecell Solver that way. And I have better things to do with the code that the average user will find more desirable, than a process that does not segfault if his computer ran out of memory. Or just relax doing other things beside hacking on it. By giving power to the censor, the public or any interesant portion of it eventually gives it power to demise itself. What's the alternative? A free competition environment. In it people can mislead for a very short time if any, regardless of how much money, PR, or FUD the entity spreads. And naturally, every person is responsible for himself. Regards, Shlomi Fish * - * - * Tzahi Fadida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax (+1 Outside the US) 240-597-3213 * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Home E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let's suppose you have a table with 2^n cups... Wait a second - is n a natural number?
Re: No more windows ??
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UB 'inevitable' - always worked out this way so far, I'm extrapolating. I.e., you claim that every market that is existing long enough and isn't heavily regulated is by now monopolized? There is a world of difference between every market ..is monopolized and monopolies arise in a free market. You persist in mis-interpreting what I write, and then responding to your own strawman. I don't know whether this is intentional or not, but it makes the whole discussion uninteresting. Pretty weird conclusion. Rather contradicting my knowledge about the world surrounding myself. Continuing with what actually wrote - I guess in the world that surrounds you monopolies such as Bell (mentioned earlier in this thread) and Microsot do not exist. Fine. UB I was drawing a distinction between two kinds of monopolies. UB Monopolies that arise in weakly regulated environments (free UB market being an example of such an environment) are very rarely UB restricted. The anti-trust trials are restriction after the UB fact. If you mean by 'restriction' government regulation, by definition your phrase is true. You just said 'if they aren't regulated, they aren't regulated'. Yup. So? It is not true by definition. Israeli law can declare a company a monopoly even when it was not initially set up as one and apply restrictions to it. Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: No more windows ??
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TF the design and quality of the product. If there was an ethic TF committee for these kind of violations they would be disbarred, If there were ethic commitee on this kind of things, all major software vendors would have been taken out and shot by now. :) TF to see blood. Microsoft has earned enough of consumer money to TF make a good product, and if they need to pull it off the shelves TF to fix it, than so be it. Mind you, the browser is not the only Well, but US Govt is after MS not for making a bad OS. That would be one interesting trial, but the current trial AFAIK is about something different. And no, Microsoft is not goig to pull Windows - that would be Maybe they will pull it and start selling an entirely new product called port holes :) Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No more windows ??
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UB There is a world of difference between every market ..is UB monopolized and monopolies arise in a free market. Did you claim that arising of monopoly is inevitable consequence of a free market? And then I explained that by 'inevitable' I was refering that this is how it worked out so far. If you want to contradict my statement about the rise of monopolies in free market economies, please cite a case of a free market economy where no monopolies arose. Since you recognize the existence of Bell and Microsoft, 20th cent. United States is obviously not a proper case to cite. UB Continuing with what actually wrote - I guess in the world that UB surrounds you monopolies such as Bell (mentioned earlier in this UB thread) and Microsot do not exist. Fine. They certainly do exist. But their existance is not a consequence of a free market - actually, in Israel, where there is no free market on telefphone infrastructure, we pretty well have our own monopoly. So existance of Bell doesn't prove it was 'inevitable consequence of a free market'. Please go back and read previous postings. I was making the distinction before between monopolies that arise on their own in free markets, and monopolies intentionally set up as monopolies, of which we have many examples here. The fact that we set one up here intentionally says nothing of the process that made one arise elsewhere. UB It is not true by definition. Israeli law can declare a company UB a monopoly even when it was not initially set up as one and UB apply restrictions to it. Israel was never a country with too much of free market, to start with. Israel is full with all sort of regulation. Especially in highly monopolized areas. Precisely. And now I shall repeat what I wrote before, with notes: In a less regulated economy [of which Israel was not an example] a company that becomes a monopoly is less restricted [and that is not really a good thing] I gave Israel as an example of a case where started out less regulated does not mean that it stays that way , to contradict your statement that what I was saying was true by definition. It is not true by definition, it is true in a case where free market is assumed. In Israel, free market is not necessarily assumed. Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Whatsup - Important updates
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: Uri, 1) the domain : Co.il has a problem. I am guessing you are using actcom, because their DNS did not update (for some reason) with the new ip. We hosted there 2 years ago (?!), and still... It will be fixed soon. 2) statistics : does it really matter ? We are not having a competition here. So its 1500...1600...1400 . What's the difference ? I know those statistics are not accurate, but it does the job as far as getting a perspective . I was talking about the perspective. If there is no indication what is being measures, or in this counted, then the numbers are meaningless. here. So its 1500...1600...1400 . What's the difference ? If I see stats I like to know what they're stats of. Otherwise, you might as well use warp factors, as you say, what's the difference? 3) interspace : being non-commercial means that as far as the services the site provides, we do not charge users for those services. We are acting as dealers for interspace for site-hosting, but it has nothing to do with the main purpose of the site. The only reason we accepted their request is because its Linux related, (it refers to hosting on Unix only) . I know that its slightly conflicts with what I stated, but I'm sure you understand what I mean. ;) Regardless of the stated of the stated purpose of the site, if you're dealers then you're some kind of a business entity. How you deal with that is your business, of course, but you give the impression of being a bit confused about the whole thing. Good Luck Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net Tal. Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Yehuda Drori wrote: hi Omer about then number of hits you can see it by your own just going to our statistic page: http://whatsup.co.il/stats.php and this is only few weeks after we put ourselves on the net and started publishing ... :-) -- Yehuda Drori http://whatsup.co.il On Tuesday 19 March 2002 17:37, Omer Zak wrote: On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Shai Bentin Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Whatsup - Important updates OK, so what is it you may get in return for giving exclusivity to them? There must be something. If all you get is exposure, then I don't think it's worth it. MY OPINION! Yes, but bare in mind that we are talking about a huge number of hits per day ! Currently, we get an average of 1700-2000 hits, and joining forces with those guys can multiple That number by at least 20. This is something worth thinking about.. Again - I am not sure what's the best step here. I am hoping for more opinions from the list So we can decide. Is this 1700-2000 hits per day or per week? If per day, then this is very respectable figure for (currently) specialized Web site. I doubt very much you'll get multiple of 20 by sharing content with any popular portal. This is because those portals serve also people, who are not interested in Linux. The only portal, with which you should share content, is the home page of www.linux.org.il. This is the portal of choice for any Israeli, who is interested in Linux. --- Omer There is no IGLU Cabal. The group of founders was tempted to form their group as a sub-committee of the All-Highest UNIX Flavors Congress. Then they got lost in the labyrintine politics of the AHUFC. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some clarifications !
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: Ok, so let's re-arrange and clarify things : We are a private organization (not registered for now) and the hosting part is a separate part of what we mainly want to deal with. We had an offer - we took it. That simple. I don't see how's that interfering with everything else. Do you see banners and pop-up's at the main page ? I didn't say it was interfering with anything. I was asking what's what. I don't think banners would interfere with anything either, if you wanted to have them there. Maybe we should move the hosting to another, less obvious part of the site. It just needs to be clarified a bit on the site. Something like whatsup.org.il is an interspace dealer ... etc. As long as everything is up front why should there be a conflict? Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net I think people got the picture (I hope) of what we are and what we are trying to deliver. And if not : Our purpose is to bring the community translated news and free support environment for Linux. That is all. We felt that there is a need, mainly by newbie's, to get news and support in their native language, and since no one done it before, we did. We are paying from our personal pockets for hosting the site, and putting all of our time and efforts into it, and its all done for the community. We don't make money off this, and for now, we don't intend to. This is what I mean when I say non-commercial . I hope you anderstand the diference. If the hosting page conflicts with that - sorry. Tal. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Uri Bruck Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 10:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Linux-IL mailing list' Subject: RE: Whatsup - Important updates On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: Uri, 1) the domain : Co.il has a problem. I am guessing you are using actcom, because their DNS did not update (for some reason) with the new ip. We hosted there 2 years ago (?!), and still... It will be fixed soon. 2) statistics : does it really matter ? We are not having a competition here. So its 1500...1600...1400 . What's the difference ? I know those statistics are not accurate, but it does the job as far as getting a perspective . I was talking about the perspective. If there is no indication what is being measures, or in this counted, then the numbers are meaningless. here. So its 1500...1600...1400 . What's the difference ? If I see stats I like to know what they're stats of. Otherwise, you might as well use warp factors, as you say, what's the difference? 3) interspace : being non-commercial means that as far as the services the site provides, we do not charge users for those services. We are acting as dealers for interspace for site-hosting, but it has nothing to do with the main purpose of the site. The only reason we accepted their request is because its Linux related, (it refers to hosting on Unix only) . I know that its slightly conflicts with what I stated, but I'm sure you understand what I mean. ;) Regardless of the stated of the stated purpose of the site, if you're dealers then you're some kind of a business entity. How you deal with that is your business, of course, but you give the impression of being a bit confused about the whole thing. Good Luck Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net Tal. Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Yehuda Drori wrote: hi Omer about then number of hits you can see it by your own just going to our statistic page: http://whatsup.co.il/stats.php and this is only few weeks after we put ourselves on the net and started publishing ... :-) -- Yehuda Drori http://whatsup.co.il On Tuesday 19 March 2002 17:37, Omer Zak wrote: On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Amir Tal wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Shai Bentin Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Whatsup - Important updates OK, so what is it you may get in return for giving exclusivity to them? There must be something. If all you get is exposure, then I don't think it's worth it. MY OPINION! Yes, but bare in mind that we are talking about a huge number of hits per day ! Currently, we get an average of 1700-2000 hits, and joining forces with those guys can multiple That number by at least 20. This is something worth thinking about.. Again - I am not sure what's the best step here. I am hoping for more opinions
Re: OT: Transparent Proxies in Israel
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Sagi Bashari wrote: From: Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Apr 09, 2002, Eli Marmor wrote about Re: OT: Transparent Proxies in Israel: But back to the original question: Can anybody list the ISP's that don't use transparent proxies, even not for ADSL users who access foreign (long distance) sites? No, I never did such research. When I was connected to Netvision's ADSL it looked like we did not have a transparent proxy, but I'm not sure. In Barak's connection, I did notice a transparent proxy in place. I think that even if the ISP run transparent proxy, or actually any kind of HTTP proxy, they should query the server in any case - to see if the content is modified. If it does, it redownloads the content, and if not, it serves from cache. In any case, it shouldn't serve old data without checking first. This is true when no-cache is included in the request headers. A couple of years ago I followed such transactions on both ends, out of curiosity. Inclusion of a no-cache header invariably caused the proxy to forward the browser query verbatim to the site. This conforms to the RFC. On the browser side, Netscape generated the header when ctrl-refresh was pressed. MSIE generated a no-cache header with different capitalization which was ignored by that particular versio of that particualar proxy. The web server sometimes responded to these requests by serving the file, sometimes with a 304 response. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: official hebrew in Linux-IL mailing lists?
On Fri, 17 May 2002, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: So what are the reasons for not switching our official language here from English to Hebrew (not in a day, but rather in a month-2 months time period)? Please reply and explain your position... Thanks, Hetz When you discuss linux in Hebrew do you speak Hebrew, or some sort of tech-pidgin? I think for most of us it's the latter, and it looks much worse than it sounds. btw - the list you gave up, what about directionality? Is it the same for all of them, alternatively, can they easily switch/convert? -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew Here - Final Verdict
On Sun, 19 May 2002, Matan Ziv-Av wrote: On Sun, 19 May 2002, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: * There is a small (but larger) group of people who promote Hebrew on linux-il on the patriotic grounds that Swedes do it, Finns do it. No they don't. They have No, ZERO, NADA, ZIP, efes, Hebrew on their lists. And have you ever looked at their lists? How much Swedish, Finnish, etc do the have on them? I'll bet all the really juicy questions are in English or if not, could be understood by an English speaker. You are 100% wrong here, as a simple check would have shown you. How many linux mailing lists conduct tech discsussions in languages that do not a mostly Latin alphabet. And since my support for hebrew on this mailing list might be considered to have patriotic grounds, I feel compelled to say that your interpretation are wrong. This has nothing to do with patriotism (to which I strongly object), but is only a matter of using my mother tongue, which is the language in which I am most fluent (or at least, least influent. I have been to one Linux-il dinner (a few years) ago, and I remember that the discussions were done in hebrew, so I assume the same argument is true for most subscribers of this list. And on that dinner, did you use the Hebrew equivalents of jargon, which would be simple to write in Hebrew, or did you use the English tech jargon, which looks really bad in Hebrew. I'm not against using Hebrew in email, or on this mailing list. I'm concerned that if the tech discussion are written the way I usually hear people discuss them, then the postings might be less readable than the .conversational English usualy seen here. I'm on several translation mailing lists. An international one where most discussion in English, but some other languages are used as well. As long as the query in either the target or source language relevant for that query, then the right target audience can understand it. English is considered the common language. On on of the Israeli translation lists there was recently a discussionw whether list language should be moderated after someone posted in French (it was a FrenchHebrew term question). The general sentiment was that if someone wants to post in French it's fine, but fewer people would be able to assist the poster. Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: official hebrew in Linux-IL mailing lists?
On 19 May 2002, Moshe Zadka wrote: On Sun, 19 May 2002, Ely Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would you change it to? The latin alphabet. It has remained pretty much constant (besides the change in the look of S -- the old look which inspired the look of the sign for the integal) every 100 years or so there is a diffrent langauge which is the most common. And for the last 2k years, all of those use largely-latin alphabet (with some diacritics.) For even more time, it has been latin-family (the greek The Hebrew alphabet also remained pretty much constant for the last 2K years, and is flexible enough to serve well three languages alphabet is quite similar to the latin alphabet) The Greek alphabet is also quite similar to its parent alphabet, the early Hebrew alphabet, which also is also the parent alphabet of the current Hebrew alphabet. So what's your point? -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: official hebrew in Linux-IL mailing lists?
On 19 May 2002, Moshe Zadka wrote: On Sun, 19 May 2002, Uri Bruck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Hebrew alphabet also remained pretty much constant for the last 2K years, and is flexible enough to serve well three languages No, it remained dead and nobody used it in day to day. This is false. You simply do not know the history of the Hebrew language and the Hebrew alphabet. Hebrew was never dead. It was used among Jewish communities. Nikud came into use during the 9th-10th cent. You think anyone would have bothered inventing it for a dead alphabet? And the Hebrew alphbet also serves Yiddish and Ladino, quite creatively. I'm a language professional, and you might do well not to post nonesense about things you know nothing about. There are many good alternatives. Why not rally behind one of those Computers are supposed to serve us, not the other way around. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: official hebrew in Linux-IL mailing lists?
On 20 May 2002, Moshe Zadka wrote: On Mon, 20 May 2002, Uri Bruck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is false. You simply do not know the history of the Hebrew language and the Hebrew alphabet. Hebrew was never dead. It was used among Jewish communities. Nikud came into use during the 9th-10th cent. You think anyone would have bothered inventing it for a dead alphabet? Used inside closed communities does not really qualify as alive. According to whom? Please cite a source acceptable to linguists that supports that statement. And the Hebrew alphbet also serves Yiddish and Ladino, quite creatively. So? Should we post in Yiddish or Ladino? Or did you have a point? The point I made in a previous post. It's an alphabet that served several languages. Were all the users of those languages stupid? I'm a language professional, and you might do well not to post nonesense about things you know nothing about. oh, please don't hurt me mister language professional I'm weally weally sowwy Computers are supposed to serve us, not the other way around. And notice that my rant about how Hebrew alphabet is stupid did not mention computers. Learn to read. Or do language professionals learn only how to write? You used it as a base for your conclusions about how language should be used on computers - or haven't you been reading your own postings? So far your only argument was that the Hebrew alphabet is stupid. But that's not a real argument, it's just a mantra you keep repeating, and some statements about the history and usage of this alphabet which turned out to be ignorant nonesense. Hence, I see no point in replying to any further postings of yours. You don't want to use Hebrew - don't. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: mysql error
I've seen such an error once, and found no good reason for it. Eventually I dumped the table to a text file, dropped it, and recreated it from the dump. The error did not recur. Probably was a nearly corrupt file On Mon, 27 May 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote: The thing is, that the whole thing is dumb since the tables are very very small, i am talking about 3 tables of max 3kb. This is why i think it could be a bug. Anyway, i tried to give an index to every join but it did not change the outcome, same error. I find it strange since from basic sql implementation, when you give an index to every join equality attributes it should not use temporary space. Even if it would, that should not give me that error since it should use external merge-sort algorithms that should work with even the smallest of spaces. once again, making me suspect its some kind of a dumb bug.(it could happen since as you know, large hostings like lycos take their time before upgrading to newer versions) p.s: i have 40mb free space on that account so external merge-sort algorithm should work with np. * - * - * Tzahi Fadida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax (+1 Outside the US) 240-597-3213 My Cool Site: HTTP://WWW.My2Nis.Com * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://members.lycos.co.uk/my2nis/spamwarning.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Herouth Maoz Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 9:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: mysql error I attempted to reply earlier, but as several hours passed and it didn't come through, I am sending again. My apologies if it turns out to be a duplicate. At 17:40 +0200 on 25/5/2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote: thought about it, but i can't control any of this from the lycos web interface to mysql. If you know how to do it, please add more details on how to add this temporary space to a user on mysql. Well, I am afraid this is the wrong way to go about it. If that data is going to grow, you'll need to allocate more and more space. It's at times like this that you have to do some ugly query tuning. In this instance, it would mean selecting the records, unordered, into a temporary table. Then selecting them from there, ordered. Then deleting the temporary table. If it's any comfort to you, I had the same sort of problem with Sybase at work, and the expert the company hired had recommended a similar solution. So it's not just a mySQL thing. Then again, if your data are going to stay the same size, you may keep on looking for the optimization information. How? RTFM - on my SuSE 7.3, the manual is in /usr/share/doc/packages/mysql. Note that you don't increase space per user. You change the parameters passed to the daemon. Herouth -- EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOME PAGE: http://herouth.port5.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: knesset meeting on open source
On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Sun, Jul 14, 2002, Moshe Zadka wrote about Re: knesset meeting on open source: On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped lots of good comments Nadav, you're preaching to the choir. Why not CC Eitan in the future, and forward him the e-mail you sent? Because I didn't know his email address You can find the email addresses of all MKs on the Knesset web site. (now I know, I saw it on your postings), and because I doubt he will listen to people like me (I will sound to him like a *cough*left wing radical!*cough*). So I preferred that other people translate what I say (if they like it) into Yes-Minister-speak. :) -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where has free software gone? (was Re: knesset meeting on opensource)
On 15 Jul 2002, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Somehow, somwhere, somwehn the human race (or part thereof) came up with the weird notions that ideas can be owned. The idea that ideas can be Someone already pointed out that ideas cannot be copyrighted. There is a distinction between an idea, and the implementation of an idea. Most postings in this thread seem intent on blurring this distinction. Blurring the distinction muddles the issue. somehow owned is downright stupid, even for no other reason other then that no idea stands alone on its own right. If I come up with a new idea it is based on a thousand others whehter I admit to that or not. The algorythm I invented is based on several ideas that people worked hard to think about but weren't so bloody greedy as to try to force other people to pay them a buck each time they use it. The old excuse of'ok, but what will all thos einventor eat if we can all use their ideas for free' is downright dumb in light of all the ideas that people *have* thought of and published. Genetics, Mathematics, Computers, Algorythms are all made up from ideas of other people who gave them to the world. Gilad. Ely Levy On 15 Jul 2002, Moshe Zadka wrote: On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Ely Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no I don't have anything against GPL only against idea leechers. Like Linus leeched Linux from the UNIX design? Like Stallman leeched gcc from ATT labs? Like Larry Wall leeched Perl from the UNIX utilities? Like GIMP leeched from Photoshop? Like Miguel leeched midnight commander from norton commander? Yeah, those idea leechers should be killed! Hell, killing's too good them, they should be tortured, and *than* killed. If youuse someone else's idea, why, it's as though you came to his house, raped his mother and sister, killed his father, set fire to it, and then danced around the fire! Only worse! We should all just use our own ideas, and never read or see what someone else did, and if we do (*by mistake*) learn of someone else's idea we should forget it immediately. If we can't forget, we must approach that person and offer him large sums of money to sell us a license to keep the idea in our heads. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: where has free software gone? (was Re: knesset meeting on opensource)
This one's OT, but since the discussion drifted to AIDS medicine, I'd like to point out this commentary: http://www.time.com/time/2001/aidsinafrica/drugs.html On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote: obviously you did not notice I replied someone. I know the difference between a drug and a software. But you must understand that if a person cannot pay you the amount you charge you should not withhold the drug from him. In case you are not aware of the fact that many profiteers usually destroy their some of their product in order to increase the worth of their drug. All these means that if you are not going to profit on something anyway, you might as well give it for zero profit and charge only production costs. They would not loose a penny if they gave the cocktail to developing courtiers or allowed them to use the drug for themselves. People who do not understand that, actually aiding these profiteers to increase the demand for their product by allowing AIDS to spread to their country! MEANING, if the idiots started working on AIDS before it got to you, they wouldn't profit on you! Also, please note that its not like they will not profit on this product if they charge less, they will just make less zeros in their bank account than they want too and return the investment a month later. (we are not talking about aspirin, this is a billion dolar a year market) * - * - * Tzahi Fadida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Cool Site: HTTP://WWW.My2Nis.Com -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where has free software gone? (was Re: knesset meeting on opensource)
On 15 Jul 2002, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Oh wait... they did start their research. They did give it for free not just to third world countries but to the entire world. They did manage to stop almost completly a disease that is just as horrible and just as terrible as AIDS and the only reason you don't fear it today as you fear AIDS is because these guys research and efforts. Oh, did I mention that one of them (I think it was Salk) even tested the vaccine on himself to make sure it's safe? Salk developed the vaccine for polio while working for a university. He worked for a salary. The project was a joint project of several universities, and obviously had funding. As for giving away the vaccine, while I have no doubt that Salk would have gladly done so, it was never his to give away. I am not belittling his achievment in any way - I admire the man and his work - I'm just pointing out factual inaccuracies in the example given. btw - in his last years he also took part in AIDS research Or to put it in other words: Who can afford to do professional work for nothing? What hobbyist can put 3-man years into programming, finding all bugs, documenting his product and distribute for free? -- Bill Gates, Open Letter to Hobbyists, 1976 We do. Richard Stallman, Linus Torvalds, Paul Vixie, Alan Cox, The Apache group, the SAMBA team, RH software, etc... In other words: Don't want to do the work without getting the right to keep other people from using it? Well and good, then don't. Just don't complain. The simple truth is that what these guys are complaining about is NOT that they can't make a living doing these things in a freedom respecting fashion, they are complaining that they can't get rich doing it like so. How very unfortunate for them. Also, these so called free market and I want to make a profit from what 'I' invent did not take their knowledge from thin air, but studied at a university or a college. And paid for that. And went to Glaxo to apply the skills they got - for hire. And it was 'they' who invented things, and not others, in part because they had invested in their education. And incidentally, the IP rights belong to their employers, who paid their salaries, who paid for the hi-tech equipment (the people who produced it also deserve getting paid, after all), who paid the rent, etc. Yes, there were quite a few financial transactions along the way to development, and yes, our society places a higher tag on the highly skilled labor involved in producing AIDS cocktails than on the low-skilled labor of growing maize in Africa or laying bricks in Russia. There is nothing inherently wrong or unjust about it. No problem. But the right for a limited monopoly of the fruit of your though (be it copyright or patent) is *NOT* a natrual right like your right to other real property like your house. It's a limited monopol granted by the state to advance the state of science and society. But if it doesn't do what it's there for, it should be gone. Or much better - returned to it's original form of a *limited time* (something like 7 years) granted to the original inventor. That is the *PERSON* who invented it, a corporation couldn't have copyrights or ptents then. Gilad. Now, let me remind ya'all that this grew really OT. ;-) -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] IBM is a pretty big company. [W. Gates] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where has free software gone? (was Re: knesset meeting on opensource)
On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Oron Peled wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 05:40:29 +0300 (EET DST) Uri Bruck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salk developed the vaccine for polio while working for a university. He worked for a salary. The project was a joint project of several universities, and obviously had funding. As for giving away the vaccine, Which just shows there are alternative models to fund scientific discovery. The basic division used to be: I don't know enough about medical research to state with such confidence that the same kind of models that worked a few decaeds ago are viable today. * Academy: does basic research, is funded by public (taxes) and the results are published and available to the public. In the US some academic research is funded by industry. * Industry: Implements what looks promising and fund development by reaping the results of implementation. The problem now is that every day the situation is more like: * Academy: still funded by public (taxes) and grants, but the results are sold to the Industry to get more money. * Industry: hold monopoly rights both to the implementation and to the ideas. This new model has several flaws: 1. The public pays double price. Both to keep the academic system in place and than to buy the fruits of its research. 2. More importantly, as academic institutions are striving to make more money by selling their discoveries, they behave more like RD departments of the industry. This is bad because the industry has (and should have) short term goals (to bring money in, to satisfy investors). If these criteria infiltrate the academic system (which is already happening) who will search in those long-term-and-not-so-promising directions? Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron Linux: If you're not careful, you might actually learn something. -- Allen Wong -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where has free software gone? (was Re: knesset meeting on opensource)
On Thu, 18 Jul 2002, guy keren wrote: On 17 Jul 2002, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: I actually paid a bunch of lawyers once to understand a particularly difficult employment contract. It was explained to me at length that the law (in Israel) recognizes non-competition without any explicit clauses in the contract. What the law will not uphold is a non-competition with overly broad scope or too long a duration. there was a case laetly, in a israely court (i think it was half a year or so ago), in which the court tore-down a non-competetion clause that had a 2-years limitation (which is a very common case). the case dealt with an employer of a company that gave services to other companies. this employe left the company, and started giving the same type of service (i think it was service for some software package), to some of the clients of his former company. the company went and sued. the court said the employee is allowed to give the service he does, but must reutrn the info about customers he took from the original company, back to the company. (i hope i wrote the details correctly - i don't have the article). if you want to know more details, i suggest you look this court rulling up. its a new precedence in this area, btw, and represents a change in the interpretation of the 'freedom of occupation' law in israel, relative to the norm that existed in the past. It sounds close to a precedence ruling I recall, from around the same time, that tkufat tzinun set in a contract exceeding that set by law in invalid unless the former employee is in possession of the former employer's secret information - or something along those lines. Could have been the same case. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sorting hebrew in mysql
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Guy Cohen wrote: Hi, I want to sort a mysql table, but the charset in the database is Hebrew. I currently *can not* recompile mysql with Hebrew or start it with --default-character-set=hebrew. The solution i had in mind was to change the appropriate colum from varchar to either BLOB or VARCHAR BINARY. Hebrew sorting works with VARCHAR BINARY. Can this approach help? and more importantly what happens to the current data in the colum when changing its type to BLOB or VARCHAR BINARY? Thanks, Guy Cohen -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Looking for jobs
On 2 Sep 2002, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: IANAL, but IIRC US courts have come to a bizarre conclusion that people do not expect the same level of privacy in their electronic communications (such as email) as in their conventional communications (such as regular mail). This is one of the foundations of your employer owns all your personal email if sent from/to the office, privacy issues notwithstanding. I believe this will override Rabbi Gershom if the push comes to shove... ;-) This is a matter of who owns the resources. It's no different than posing limitations on private phone calls on the office phones, or on company time. When an employer provides an employee with an email account due to the fact that this person is an employee, then this email account is intended to be used for work, and belongs to the employer. Whether a specific employer tolerates the use of that account for non-work communications as well, depends on the specific employer and on the employer-employee relationships. Do you use your employer's snail mail address for personal correspondence? It's not a privacy issue. It's an issue of ownership of a given resource. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Looking for jobs
On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: So in the U.S. your employer can legaly tap your phone, read your email, etc, in fact mine does. It's a well stated company policy. Surely you don't mean your home phone. The wage-slavery system can only go so far. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Aligning Several HTML Forms in a table
On Fri, 30 Aug 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote: Because I want all of them aligned. Something like: [Entry1][Button1] [Entry2][Button2] [Entry3][Button3] [Entry4][Button4] Why use XHTML ? I want the HTML to be standards-compliant. Off the top of my head I can suggest two things: 1. Placement. You'd need to define styles for that, but you should be able to define an exact placement for each element 2. Define a width in pixels for each cell. It should give you a pretty god alignment. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] proposed israeli laws regarding internet and encryption
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Mon, Sep 09, 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about Re: [OT] proposed israeli laws regarding internet and encryption: Yes, but they try to scare us here from small group of not highly-organized terrorists. In this context if the technology is availble it can be used, whether it is legal or not. This is one point where the terrorism reasoning is not useful. This is a good point, that for some reasons many legislators tend to miss. In the US, supporters of the second amendment, like the NRA (National Rifle Association) and ESR (Eric S. Raymond ;) see http://tuxedo.org/~esr/guns/) have the saying If guns were outlawed, only outlaws would have guns!. Actually, the Second Ammendment says : A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. It doesn't say that everyone run around waving guns. Similarly with encryption: if encryption were outlawed, law-abiding citizens would not use it, but criminals (or terrorists) still could, if they only have the minimal amount of sophistication needed to getting hold of an encryption software that doesn't come prepackaged with your Windows. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qtext
On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Moshe Kaminsky wrote: Hi, Of course, this is an important question. I just thought that the first question is whether we have any chance of getting the source. Since you say that someone might possibly fund it, I'll try to dig some more details from the guy when I meet him (on Thursday), both about the price and the feasibility of porting. I guess a relevant bit of information here is that this program is written in Delphi, which is some variant of Pascal. As far as I can recall, Delphi was very similar in concept to visual C++ except that it was based on Pascal instead of C. Sort of MFC-like Does the Windows version have its own Hebrew support or does it use Windows Hebrew support? For myself, I can say that if porting will turn out to be feasible, I'll be willing to take some part in it. My involvment will be limited, however, by the fact that I have no knowledge of any of the involved issues (I have some vague recollection of Pascal - another thing I did as a kid :), and also since the time I can spend on it is limited. Moshe PS You are most welcome to forward this to whoever you think appropriate. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qtext
On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, Moshe Kaminsky wrote: Matitiahu Allouche [EMAIL PROTECTED] [27/09/02 13:29]: The main problem in a Bidi word processor is not how to transform logical to visual format. As Tzafrir Cohen mentioned, there are a number of libraries available for this purpose, which all generally produce the same results, the exceptions being for rather off-beat cases. The main problem is with the *interface*, mainly what should Delete, Backspace etc... perform, where the caret (or text cursor) should go after given operations, how to handle selection, to name a few important issues. Well, if you have the additional information that your character is a r2l character (even if it is a space or parentheses), this can help you decide what to do. I actually saw how both Backspace and selection work in QText, and it seems to work great. Neither of them made sense to me. Furthermore, Qtext conforms to the Win3.1 language switching convention, right-alt-shift always switches to Hebrew while left-alt-shift always switches to English, while Win9x uses both alt-shift simply as switch language, which means that the language shown on the toolbar is not necessarily the language Qtext writes in. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Fw: tzedaka project (fwd)
Hi, This is different than the kind of volunteering usually discussed on the list. Please don't reply to me, but directly to the email in the message. - Original Message - From: jamesoppenheim Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:54 PM Subject: tzedaka project Volunteer(s) needed. Jerusalem-based soup kitchen that feeds over 800 poor people every day is looking for someone to do very basic updating of their website (www.hazon-yeshaya.com) They can't afford to pay right now, but the rewards of helping out are great! Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you are a programmer or know someone who could potentially help out. Thanks! = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apache2 hebrew issue + solution
On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Reuven M. Lerner wrote: Tzafrir == Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tzafrir There are a number of incompatible ways to encode Hebrew Tzafrir (e.g: ISO-8859-8/visual, cp1255/logical and UTF-8). So Tzafrir simply saying that the language is Hebrew is not enough Tzafrir for the browser. No one is suggesting that the HTTP Content-type header should indicate a language.Rather, the Content-type header indicates a character set, and in some places an encoding as well.For example: Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8# Unicode, UTF-8 Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-8 # Hebrew + English Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1255 # Heb/Eng Windows encoding A browser receiving the above headers knows not only that the content is in Hebrew and English (or in Unicode), but also what the encoding is (and thus how to display it). Naming the encoding explicitly would only be a problem on a site that uses multiple encodings.For example, if your site has some pages in UTF-8 and others in Latin-1 and still others in ISO-8859-8, then you would be in trouble.But in such a (rare) case, you can remove the default encoding and allow people to use meta tags. using html lang=he dir=rtl appears to override the charset header. Quite rare indeed. The default configuration of apache (or at least: the one that comes with Mandrake): http://www.gadot.org.il/manual/ http://www.gadot.org.il/manual/index.html.en http://www.gadot.org.il/manual/index.html.ja.jis Not to mention all sorts of sites with multi-charset content. On a site that has a single, consistent encoding, it's nice to have the server take care of such things for you, avoiding the need for meta tags. (you mean: set everything to UTF-8) Tzafrir Setting a server-wide default to a certain charset is Tzafrir certainly not a wise default. I would consider it a Tzafrir misconfiguration of RH's side. Given that this is the W3C's preferred way of doing things, it strikes me as a pretty reasonable approach, actually.The implied default of Latin-1 strikes me as pretty short-sighted in a world where a large (and growing) number of Internet users come from outside of the US. So you have my opinion about this standard, and how predictable it leaves things -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apache2 hebrew issue + solution
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Matitiahu Allouche wrote: On 3/10/2002 Uri Bruck wrote: using html lang=he dir=rtl appears to override the charset header. It would be helpful to mention which browser led to this observation. Personally, I am not aware of this being true for any browser, Worked for Mozilla and it is certainly not conformant to the HTML standard. This document says it conforms to HTML 4 (strict): http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/dirlang.html Beside the fact that the charset header is supposed to override what may be specified within the HTML code, neither lang or dir overlap with what the charset means. Shalom (Regards), Mati Bidi Architect Globalization Center Of Competency - Bidirectional Scripts IBM Israel Phone: +972 2 5870999 ext. 1202Fax: +972 2 5870333 Mobile: +972 52 554160 -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apache2 hebrew issue + solution (fwd) - ps
this document too: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/global.html#edef-HTML -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:15:56 +0300 (EET DST) From: Uri Bruck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matitiahu Allouche [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: apache2 hebrew issue + solution On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Matitiahu Allouche wrote: On 3/10/2002 Uri Bruck wrote: using html lang=he dir=rtl appears to override the charset header. It would be helpful to mention which browser led to this observation. Personally, I am not aware of this being true for any browser, Worked for Mozilla and it is certainly not conformant to the HTML standard. This document says it conforms to HTML 4 (strict): http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/dirlang.html Beside the fact that the charset header is supposed to override what may be specified within the HTML code, neither lang or dir overlap with what the charset means. Shalom (Regards), Mati Bidi Architect Globalization Center Of Competency - Bidirectional Scripts IBM Israel Phone: +972 2 5870999 ext. 1202Fax: +972 2 5870333 Mobile: +972 52 554160 -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew Lashon Academy
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Ely Levy wrote: why bother? Because it's the open source way of doing things. They are making their own langauge, Not true. There are many words we all use that originated with the Academy. no one follows them beside maybe IDF. why should we waste time arguing with them? Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Uri Bruck wrote: On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, Ira Abramov wrote: as for Cookie - the Academy claimes they went to the original definition, when cookie actually came from the cookoo bird which lays eggs in foreign nests. I saw that explanation and went looking for a source for that. There's an article on Netscape's site that said they used it first in web context, and there was no special reason for the name. Neither a cookie, the kind -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Wed, Dec 18, 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote about Re: IBM Workshop with RMS and T'so in Tel-Aviv and Haifa: be a Jewish Atheist, because Judaism is essentially a peopleship, that the Jewish religion is a small (and unnecessary) part of. If that isn't flamebait, I don't know what is :) Let's not feed the trolls! If you gonna start a religious war, might as well have religion somewhere in it... :) -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A question about Opensource
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On 23 Dec 2002, Meir Michanie wrote: I remember visiting the GNU site and getting lost there. I was searching for the guide: how to register a program as opensource GPL license. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer GPL is a license: it details what right exactly other people have with a code (or whatever). But before you can license it to anybody, you have to establish the fact that it is yours to give/control: you have to state clearly that you are the copyrights owner. (The hebrew term: Zchuyot Yotsrim, creators rights, is actually a better name) Copyright can be bought, sold, given away. The person who owns the copyright is not necessarily the author. Ownining the copyright does give someone the right to determine who can copy the work. Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Thu, Dec 26, 2002, Guy Baruch wrote about OT: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client: Hello, just a good story for a change, hope it's not too OT. Bank Leumi just recently did a face-lift to their Leumi-Ba-Internet site. Interesting to see you think it is a *good* story... After their site working well for a long time, I suddenly noticed a couple of days ago that I can no longer use it with Mozilla. They had a feedback link which I tried to use to complain, but that did not work too! So what do we have here: 1. A company that designs its website with the typical Israeli over- complication and utter disregard to standards and non-IE browsers; What makes you think this typical Israeli? Do you have a different experience with your off-shore bank account? -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Thu, Dec 26, 2002, Uri Bruck wrote about Re: OT: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client: 1. A company that designs its website with the typical Israeli over- complication and utter disregard to standards and non-IE browsers; What makes you think this typical Israeli? Do you have a different experience with your off-shore bank account? I'm not talking about back accounts, I'm talking about web sites. I'm talking about web sites too. Ever stopped and think why you can't do anything on Orange's site without Flash? Why HaifaU's site cannot be used (at least when I checked a year ago) without a browser that supports tons of IE-specific stuff? If you ever looked at the evolution of my sendsms code, you'd have noticed how the the SMS-sending sites become more complicated as the time passes, without actually getting more features in the process. At the same time look at Amazon. Look at Google. Look at CNN. At Yahoo. All these sites try (don't always succeed, but at least try) to use the *minimal* number of crazy non-standard features of their page. This has a lot of benefits: smaller pages, can be viewed (or listened to) by more people with more types of hardware and software, etc. And it doesn't make the pages ugly. So you believe that all those people writing books and articles about accessibility, compatibility and style, all of their bad experiences are from Israeli sites. Yeah, right. Israelies didn't the schisms in browser world. On one of the translators lists I read (one where nothing is off-topic) I've seen similar complaints about sites in other countries that are supposed to provide services. Just to pull one out of my sleeve, while writing this email I googled and found this interview: http://www.webbuilderconferences.com/interview_holzschlag.asp where he says, among other things: If you have one of today's browsers, it can read and interpret most of that HTML without a problem. But other types of agents have difficulty interpreting it. There's also the issue of accessability: the problems for folks with disabilities because of the overbearing use of nonstandard markup I doubt he uses any of the Israeli sites you complain about. I attribute what is happening to most Israeli websites to the dawinim attitude of Israeli web-builders and companies. They think that if their site doesn't use *ALL* the *LATEST* advances in web technology - flash, java, movies, music, javascript, etc. - then they were swindled out of their money. This is absolutely wrong, however. It is wrong, but there is nothing particularly Israeli about this attitude. In fact, I think it's a complete farce that these companies (and some people on this list) say that it would cost them more money to support Linux. Ah? It will cost them *less* money if they stopped using all these crazy non-standard features that don't add anything for the users. This is a completely different discussion. I happen to agree with you on this particular point. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Edu in linux
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote: Right. Full localization of the working environment the (child) user normally works with is normally needed. Except for English and such programs, that is. And that working environment may be even a dedicated application, in some cases. I really don't understand where that comes from? Again there are many schools which doesn't use systems which have hebrew in them, some of them even do it on purpose for kids to learn english, some doesn't bother, all the kid need to know is pressing few buttons to get office or some explorer up. That's part of the problem. A long time ago I saw an elementary school that used Logo (Turtle graphics) and thought that all the kid need[s] to know is pressons [a] few buttons I don't think these kids ever learned what kaf-sofit has to do with a left turn. Teaching to press those few buttons by rote is bad because it disassociates the action from the meaning. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Edu in linux
Seems like you're advocating the round about route first. Lobbying an MK to put some weight can never the first stage of any process. It's something that should be done only after regular channels fail. On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote: I think that if there is a time to push matach on porting things to linux it's now, maybe we should originize and approch haching like eitan or nachama ronen, and ask them, 1)make matach allowing the port of programs to linux, 2)release their rav pealim word list (remember they wanted to pay ibm to add hebrew support to open office). does anyhow got more ideas on who to approch and what points we might raise? and someone which is good enough with official things to make it sound good?;) should we sigh an atzuma?I think we can get quite a bit support around. Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Edu in linux
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote: This friend of mine, on the other hand, can now do absolutely nothing with his knowledge of Turbo Pascal This is a claim I find odd. Most of programming is not about learning the syntax of a specific language. and DOS, and yelling But these were the most common software when I studied! will not help him one iota. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Edu in linux
On 2 Jan 2003, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Everyone has a choice, of course. I do think that such an attitude is a bad one though. No, not everyone needs to be a rocket scientist. But I don't think you need a rocket scientist to have a basic understanding of how things work. This I can relate to, and your complaint is also relevant to the scarcity of home-ec and shop classes (for both genders) -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Edu in linux
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote: On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Victor Zaslavsky wrote: 1. Do not forget support cost - it usually higher for Linux than for Windows (there was appropriate IDC report). Doesn't matter, the numbers are quite diffrent for goverments. 2. I want my kids to be ready to start their work immediately in any normal office. Why should I to sacrifice competitive strength of my kids to OS wars? Cause your kid doesn't get propar education cause the school doesn't have money for licences and uses old version of windows, cause learning windows after you know linux is half the time of doing the other way around, What's that statement based on? If it's based on a sample of friends, or linux users, then you should consider that you'd expect to find a higer percentage of geeks among lunix users. Learning a second OS for a geek would be simpler. That may create that above impression. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Edu in linux
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote: Cause what he would use outside in the world has nothing to do with the things he uses at school in school he learns browesing/office he DOESNT learn how to use windows. browsing and office are the most common uses for windows for non-developers (most people). -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Edu in linux
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Xavier Gentoo wrote: Unless of course *you* are comfortable that *your* kids are going to be deprived of elementary independent thinking, that is. If you are, I suggest you watch Total Recall 2070 to see how bright out future is going to be. So someone who chooses MS is deprived of elementary independent thinking, and someone who chooses linux is an independent thinker, just like all the geeks. Wrongthinking is punishable ...? MS-Word nicknamed MS-Unword? -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Edu in linux
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote: I think we should try and pass legislation that schools will be forbidden to require the students to purchase closed software to submit their schoolwork. How is that different than requiring students to buy a certain textbook? (In Haifa we rarely did that. Most textbooks were loaned to us, but I believe in most of the country high school students are still required to buy them, and sometimes they are required to buy a specific edition) Also, we should reduce public spending on non-open software development - CET should be producing open software that could then be ported by the community (maybe using winelib). Alon -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Edu in linux
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote: On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Uri Bruck wrote: On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Xavier Gentoo wrote: Unless of course *you* are comfortable that *your* kids are going to be deprived of elementary independent thinking, that is. If you are, I suggest you watch Total Recall 2070 to see how bright out future is going to be. So someone who chooses MS is deprived of elementary independent thinking, and someone who chooses linux is an independent thinker, just like all the geeks. Wrongthinking is punishable ...? MS-Word nicknamed MS-Unword? That not what he said, come on.. he said that people who use ms cause they don't know of any alternatives Which may be true for some people. However, the general sentiment I'm getting list is that this is the only reason to choose MS for any task. Lots of tech writers use FrameMaker rather than Office. Are they independent thinkers because they chose a non-ms product, or deprived drones because they're running it on Windows? and cause they are not capble later in their life to chose something else cause of lack of knowladge are deprived of independent thinking. someone who chose ms over linux is plain stupid;))j/k:) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
STAROFFICE FREE TO DANISH STUDENTS AND TEACHERS
http://listserv.educause.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A2=ind0301L=edupageD=1T=0P=74 STAROFFICE FREE TO DANISH STUDENTS AND TEACHERS Sun Microsystems has added Denmark to the list of countries in which its StarOffice software package will be made available free for students. Deals had already been announced between the software company and the ministries of education in China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Chile. The new deal between Sun Microsystems Denmark and Denmark's ministry of education is worth an estimated $27.4 million. Sun said it hopes to reach similar deals in France, Germany, and Sweden, as well as in some countries in Africa. A spokesman for Sun Microsystems Denmark said that students and teachers in Denmark will be allowed to use StarOffice 6.0 at school and at home and that there are no limitations regarding copying the program. Associated Press, 2 January 2003 (registration req'd) http://www.nandotimes.com/technology/story/699138p-5172231c.html -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RMS Dinner
http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/pages/ShArtPE.jhtml?itemNo=247510contrassID=2subContrassID=13sbSubContrassID=0 I couldn't find it in the English version of haaretz On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Shaul Karl wrote: 1. http://www.haaretz.co.il. 2. Click near the upper left most corner for the English edition. 2. At the upper selection boxes choose the print edition. 3. At the left most column, possibly at the bottom of the screen (not the page) there is a box to Select Day for Previous Editions. According to the list archive the article was published on Jan 3. 4. According to the list archive the article was published in the Friday Magazine. What I was able to get is a page with the headers, some commercials and a magazine title. Nothing more. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Edu in linux
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote: Imagine a country where not only can schools use free software, but kids are actually free to use the same software at home without draining the family's budget. This is not only essential to sick kids, but also useful for parents who cannot afford private tutors, and for kids who want to learn at a slightly different pace or to reenforce the learning they'd done in class. And let's imagine a little further and imagine that they are free to choose to use that same software on the same OS their parents run MS-Word on. After all, as has been repeated here often, it's really about choice. Just like John Lennon, I don't think that every sentence beginning with Imagine is necessarily impossible... And don't even get me started on Matach's spellchecker, rav-milim ;) -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Edu in linux
English: http://www.cet.co.il Hebrew: http://www.cet.ac.il On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote: someone knows matach's homepage? i remmebered it once but I can't find it anymore for some weird reason.. Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, mnna4 wrote: From my kids' experience ( 12 + 16 ), technical issues are about office products (Heb OO will do fine here) and the rest of the activity is web search (Meida'anut whatever that means in English) and remote learning. As a linux layman , I can vouch for Mandrake or RH (DONT flame) as more than adequate. My kids are doing just fine with it at home, especially after I installed phpbb :) As once a PTA member, I can tell you that upgrades , hw and sw, are major setbacks and any help will be welcome. The main issue is that MOE (Ministry of Education) through MATAH, provides binding M$ software used in the curriculum. I wonder if they can be forced to provide software on other platforms. - Original Message - From: Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jonathan Ben Avraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ely Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ILUG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 2:10 PM Subject: Re: Edu in linux On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 13:19, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: home. The Windows vocabulary has entered our daily Hebrew speech. My kids (all 10 of them) had to submit a portion of their homework assignments in doc format (Gush Etzion school system) for the past four years. My wife is in a masters program at Touro College and Beit Morasha where the homework assignments are distributed in Word and the homework must be submitted in Word. I suggest that you actually go try to talk to these people about Linux and see what happens. What happens if one does not have money to buy Word Windows licenses, especially if one needs more then one computer (10 kids...)? I assume of course that most if not all the software copied actually used are illegal, but I'm pretty sure the question crossed your mind and wondered if you asked it? Gilad. -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://benyossef.com Q: What do you do if your Linux box goes down? A: Sit around in the dark until the power comes back on = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: article in nana
On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, Eli Marmor wrote: But at least, the Gnu is in a good company: Another images that were attached to the article, were: RMS with a flute (halilit) That's a recorder, not a flute. flute is 'halil' (aka halil-tzad because of the way it is held) his autograph (hatima) his personal ad (looking for a love) a logo of sex, drugs and penguin (another type of love) Tux Ben-Gurion (not the airport, but the ex-prime-minister) -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
terminology Q
Hi, What term would you use for proprietary system in Hebrew? -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ha'aretz article regarding RMS
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Arik Baratz wrote: Richard Stallman wrote: Thanks for translating it for me. Does the article really refer to the system the first time as Linux? I'm afraid so. They write Linux in Hebrew, which is Lamed-Yod-Nun-Vav-Kof-Samech. They didn't add GNU. The name is written as GNU/Linux (Latin letters) pretty far down the article, in the sentence that specifies that calling the system by this name is a precondition for the interview. Project GNU on its own is mentioned in the first section (8th par.) Whenever GNU is mentioned, it's in Latin letters. I'd find it odd to it transliterated. Acronyms rarely are. Unless there's a commonly used translation for the acronym. Now that you mention it, I have never seen the combination GNU/Linux in Hebrew anywhere. A quick Hebrew google search (http://www.google.co.il) finds only 3 hits. 2 are in the www.whatsup.org.il - one is an interview with you, and one is a rant about how nobody in the IBM conference used GNU/Linux for their presentaions. The other hit is in a site called www.pcmaster.co.il and it looks like a GNU/Linux primer. And they put the GNU after the Linux, so it looks like Linux/GNU. Have a safe and easy flight! Take care, -- Arik -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew word for hacker/hack? (was: RE: Academia LeLashon / hackerjargon)
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Omer Zak wrote: Few ideas: - Tekhadshan/Tekhidush (from Khidushei-Torah; i.e. hacks were invented 2100 years ago!) I'd think older, considering that Hammurabi was the first person known to have compiled code - Targilan/Targil - Mekasem/Kesem or miksam (I was thinking of the technomags from Babylon 5) -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hebrew sugestion for hacker (was: Re: Academia LeLashon / hacker jargon )
On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Beni Cherniavsky wrote: hacker - TAHSHAV or TAHSHEVAN hack - TIHSHUV hacked [past] - TIHSHEV Hmm, that sounds a bit too familiar, is it taken already? tikshuv - a compound of tikshoret and mikhshuv. yet another academy word that made it. -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Rename to GNU/Linux
and then there's The Gnu Song http://www.poppyfields.net/poppy/songs/gnu.html On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote: well like the famous song about parat moshe rabenu says pashot likroa la GNU ve hi tavo myad;) Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
