Re: [MBZ] Quality of the 190 and what to rub on it
The heat from the bulb tends to mess with the plastic. Anyway what do you fine folk use to make your door handles and other plastic stuff look like new again? I use a color coordinated liquid cut and polish but then there are asd many answers as there are people driving old Benzes. Hendrik with a not so shiny 190E because the state has just about run out of water and we will need all remaining stocks to fight bushfires Zoltan Finks wrote: Very. Solid and tight are good descriptors. That is until you try to replace the high-mounted brake light bulb. Then things fall apart in your hands. Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jeep smokers
All that power would rip the axles out from under the chassis, leaving you sitting and watching your drivetrain power off into the sunset. Kevin Kraly wrote: The 80's Diesel cherokees were powered by a Renault 2.1L 4 cylinder engine, and parts are practically impossible to find for them. I wonder how one would fair with a 240D engine? Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CO/C02
Peter Frederick wrote: CO2 is toxic as well, but at much higher quantites. I'd think a CO monitor is much more useful. The good news is that your body is programmed to react to high CO2 levels in the lungs. That's why idiots can climb inside a helium balloon and pass out from hypoxia without realizing anything is wrong, not enough CO2 to make them feel like they are suffocating. BTW, is CO2 actually toxic, or is it a lack of oxygen in the air that matters? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
Kevin Kraly wrote: When I bought the '07 Dodge Diesel pickup, the salesman basically told me that they were selling well enough on their own without the lifetime warranty gimic. I never consult salesmen for expert opinions on vehicles, or even corporate marketing strategy. I suspect the real reason is that they don't expect people to keep the gassers long enough to wear out the engines, and the ones who do they intend to ignore until they give up and sell the car. I have experience with the ignore the customer and hope he goes away strategy with a lifetime rustproofing warranty claim from Chrysler. Does anybody have a workable strategy for getting Chrysler to honor a lifetime warranty without suing them? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jeep smokers
Kevin Kraly wrote: The 80's Diesel cherokees were powered by a Renault 2.1L 4 cylinder engine, Is that the same as a FWD Winnebago (LeSharo-Phasar-Centauri) of similar vintage? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Am I argumentative
Yes. I wouldn't want to be a part of many of the other car-related lists. The internet seems to be very hostile territory so often. I think the intelligence and maturity level on this list raises it above many others. Then there are the differences in peoples' sarcasm levels, and styles, that are difficult to endure without the benefit of face-to-face contact. I appreciate your honest look at yourself though, Curt - rare. Brian Bob wrote:Typical. I have noticed we're much more reasonable and benevolent on our list. People on other lists react exactly as you pointed out. You aren't argumentative, people, in general, are putzes. Bob R. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm iced up!
I have always found it amazing to read about deaths from Carbon Monoxide poisioning - it kills many boaters every year - fumes get blown back into the cabin area and people have been found sitting at the table, drink in hand, dead as a doornail. They sat down and fell asleep never to wake up. It's very dangerous stuff. Can't recall if it as CO or not, but we saw a safety film that recreated an accident where 8 or 9 men died trying to hekp their buddies who had climbing into a large storage tank that had a lay of CO (or some heavy that air chemical) about 3'-4' above ground level. The guy woud bend over and was dead before he could stand up. Naturally his buddy would see him laying on the ground and go to help him - and fall victim himself. The correct thing to do is to get the emergency response team to help wearing the proper suits. While the film we saw was a dramatization the accident it portrayed was not - it actually happened (in Tx IIRC) and killed 8 or 9 men. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm iced up! On Dec 10, 2007, at 3:25 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I looked at a little radient heater at the hardware store that can double as a cooker, something like 14,000 BTU on high IIRC. Ahh here it is http://www.mrheater.com/productdetails_extended.asp?catid=42id=22 I know it says outdoor use only but I'd guess thats to keep the law away. Seems like it'd be a big help if there were no power. -Curt Careful now, a few people die every year because of carbon monoxide poisoning due to running propane/gas powered heaters inside their nicely sealed houses. John 1983 300TDt 384k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 214k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 202k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1179 - Release Date: 12/9/2007 11:06 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
I sued in small claim's court. Paint (silver) was flaking off my '92 Dakota, judgement was $1200 for me. Pete -- Original message -- From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin Kraly wrote: When I bought the '07 Dodge Diesel pickup, the salesman basically told me that they were selling well enough on their own without the lifetime warranty gimic. I never consult salesmen for expert opinions on vehicles, or even corporate marketing strategy. I suspect the real reason is that they don't expect people to keep the gassers long enough to wear out the engines, and the ones who do they intend to ignore until they give up and sell the car. I have experience with the ignore the customer and hope he goes away strategy with a lifetime rustproofing warranty claim from Chrysler. Does anybody have a workable strategy for getting Chrysler to honor a lifetime warranty without suing them? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 5 speed 240D
The 2.5 rear has got to be way higher, autos usually use a higher rear anyway right? I ride in 5th alot, of course I drive on the highway alot... -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:11:05 -0800 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 5 speed 240D To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed In theory, would the 5 sp be any advantage? Our 190D 5-speed doesn't make much use of 5th gear. That may be because it might have the wrong rear end in it. (It's a conversion, a 2.2's tranny in a 2.5 auto car.) -- Jim - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm iced up!
Noted. I'm actually only looking at the little 1 burner radiant heater. Just to take the edge off in the garage or for a little space heat in the event that we lose power. I'd also looked at the Big Buddy http://www.mrheater.com/productdetails_extended.asp?catid=41id=116 but its nearly twice as much money for something that won't get used a whole lot... -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:45:52 -0500 From: Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm iced up! To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Please be careful! So many homeowners and contractors insist on those unvented gas fireplaces and I just know someone's gonna fall asleep on the sofa and die of CO2 poisoning! The local codes only prohibit them as primary heat source in bedrooms and don't require CO2 detectors. I insist (I install as practice without an option) on CO2 monitors interconnected with the house smoke detectors in every new residential I wire. At least I sleep well at night! - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty
Mitch asked: Does anybody have a workable strategy for getting Chrysler to honor a lifetime warranty without suing them?. Now that's a loaded question, since the Chrysler lifetime warranty has not been out long enough for any of the vehicles to go past a standard warranty. My wife worked on the Chrysler five star certification team a while ago and she'll tell you in a second that they have an excellent service program. But, take you car in with a worn out engine 4 of sludge in the pan and you the service manager will have a discussion. Regardless of the manufacturer, we are mostly responsible for engines that wear out early. There are some exceptions, like the 3.8 liter engine in my Son's M class, the rod bender Mercedes diesels and the late 80's Mitsubishi V-6. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
I got the same reaction when asking about a diesel Liberty. The difference was Jeep made like 4,000 of them a year. The VWs appeal to a very different set of people. I still wish Jeep would make the Gladiator conecpt they rolled out a few years ago. -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:26:29 -0500 From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Really? That surprises me, I know last time I asked at the VW dealer about a TDI the salesman just started laughing and said yeah, I could get one if I wanted to wait six months. I just assumed that the number of diesel cherokees at any given dealer would be far below the demand for them. Allan - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm iced up!
More tree limbs fell during the night. One took out our mailbox, another was across the hod of the SDL this morning - looks like it fell, then bounced over - no dents that I can see. The house is at 60F, outside is up to 33F, it's raining. This is the largest power outage that OK has had, over 500k homes. We saw bright flashed of blue light last night while driving - reflecting off the cloud cover. Must have been more power lines coming down. Out house is served by underground lines, but the sub-station is fed by above ground lines, so it doesn't buy us much. I asume it costs more to bury the lines? Seems like we'd avoid a lot of outages if they were'nt flying up there in the trees --- -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a fun game with dogs
Apparently its fairly common on the mini which is what I have. First the backlight comes on and goes off, then the click wheel center button doesn't work at all so you can enter menus but you can't leave. Then sometimes it'll repeat a song over and over until the battery dies. Really odd. I've reset it several times, installed Linux on it, uninstalled Linux and put the iPod software back on, made no difference. A replacement clickwheel is like $30 but for another $100 I can have another iPod, if I buy another thats the same if it dies maybe I'll have spare parts. -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:31:41 -0800 From: Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] a fun game with dogs To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original The clickwheel died on mine. I'm thinking to replace it after the first of the year when Christmas presents hit eBay. The clickwheel can actually go out? What's it doing when attempting to play music? There's a guy on Ebay right now selling New in box Ipod classic 160GB's for the buy it now price of $150. I don't know how he's doing it since retail is $349.99. My wife bought one yesterday since she gave hers to my sister whose ipod quit working. I took it home and gave it a bit of percussive maintenance (banged it around in my hands) and it works now! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] an actual car question
battery need to be charged? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 3:06 PM Subject: [MBZ] an actual car question i usually drive my 79 280ce, but i've been driving the 300td because i've taken the dogs everywhere since we got the german dog. i now feel ok with leaving them on their own, so i went out to drive the 280 this morning. it just made a sound like a toy machine gun while cranking and the engine was not turning at all. my first thought is that the starter is hosed, but the starter is pretty new. what you guys think? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm iced up!
Yeah I'm pretty sure thats not going to be a problem in my place. That reminds me I need to tear the trim boards off the window in the bathroom and figure out why I freeze taking a shower. I suspect somebody forgot to put insulation in there. Nobody ever bothered to insulate the knee-wall in the basement either... House was built in 1938 by a guy who worked in a wooden toy factory. He did a reasonably good job but insulation was largely overlooked. -Curt Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:27:45 -0800 From: John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm iced up! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes On Dec 10, 2007, at 3:25 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I looked at a little radient heater at the hardware store that can double as a cooker, something like 14,000 BTU on high IIRC. Ahh here it is http://www.mrheater.com/productdetails_extended.asp?catid=42id=22 I know it says outdoor use only but I'd guess thats to keep the law away. Seems like it'd be a big help if there were no power. -Curt Careful now, a few people die every year because of carbon monoxide poisoning due to running propane/gas powered heaters inside their nicely sealed houses. John 1983 300TDt 384k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 214k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 202k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Hey Fred
Have you seen these? http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/car/504510057.html http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/car/504512110.html $1500 for a Jetta diesel seems like a good price, would a '91 n/a be a dog? The pictures look pretty good but somewhat vauge. His claim that he will get his price is probably valid but they've been on there for a few months. -Curt - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Quality of the 190
Same thing happened in my SDL - sp the S-class doesn't have much better plastic. 20 years of UV and heat is just to much for some of those parts. On Dec 11, 2007 1:13 AM, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very. Solid and tight are good descriptors. That is until you try to replace the high-mounted brake light bulb. Then things fall apart in your hands. Brian -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 5 speed anything diesel?
#4 is absolutely immaculate interior. Outside has a few small rust spots. insufficient fuel pressure is what Emory (local Indy) apparently told the PO. I have a spare IP...maybe the lift pump. Have not had a chance to look at it yet. Did the crank seal on my friends 240D. It was not so bad and I think we got the seal on just right (with the help of a home-made tool made from a plastic cup). Chris Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4 Projektwagens? FUN! Today, I was dealing with the niece's car. I was SOL with the rear brakes on her Honda Del Sol. A stuck passenger's side brake caliper stopped me in my tracks, but tomorrow's another day with new caliper in hand. Hopefully, the driver's rear caliper isn't stuck also! I tried everything to get that puck to go in, but couldn't get it to budge. Nothing is as easy as a pad replacement on a Mercedes! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 266Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 369K km, Wulf -1992 350 Ram Wagon, 58K miles, The Behemoth -1975 240D manual, W115, Projekt-Wagen 1 -1980 300SD, W116, Projekt-Wagen 2 -1985 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 3 -1984 300Dt, W123, Projekt-Wagen 4 - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
Tomorrow night. We have no power but have heat from a couple of gas log fireplaces, hot running water etc, and candles/flashlights. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids Kaleb - when are the kids due to arrive? Have power yet? The OKC airport was closed yesterday, I guess the Tulsa airport was closed as well. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
Kaleb - when are the kids due to arrive? Have power yet? The OKC airport was closed yesterday, I guess the Tulsa airport was closed as well. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hey Fred
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Have you seen these? http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/car/504510057.html http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/car/504512110.html $1500 for a Jetta diesel seems like a good price, would a '91 n/a be a dog? 59 HP. 1.6l I4. 0-60 is about 17 seconds. Not known to be a very durable engine. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pointless vehicles
Scott Ritchey wrote: I'd have to say the Hummer H2/H3 are right up there in the pointless class ... all the bas attributes of a real HMWWV without most of the capabilities. I agree... they can't even haul stuff on the inside. My brother works for the electronics department at Wal-mart, and they couldn't fit a 47 TV in the back (it was Plasma so had to be upright). They had to take it out of the box to make it fit. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] an actual car question
yeah, chime in after everyone else has concluded it relates to the battery! and, btw, the problem was a drained battery and it started right up when jumped. On Dec 11, 2007 9:12 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: battery need to be charged? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 3:06 PM Subject: [MBZ] an actual car question i usually drive my 79 280ce, but i've been driving the 300td because i've taken the dogs everywhere since we got the german dog. i now feel ok with leaving them on their own, so i went out to drive the 280 this morning. it just made a sound like a toy machine gun while cranking and the engine was not turning at all. my first thought is that the starter is hosed, but the starter is pretty new. what you guys think? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paging Mr Cathey...
*perk* ABS pump? What would that be worth to you? Well, I sort of have this vague in-the-future idea involving toad and/or trailer braking... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] No power
In doesn't rain but it FREEZES. The entire state of OK is 70 percent w/o power. Hope you get some relief soon. On Dec 10, 2007 5:33 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Same thing here - power's still out. Been cutting and moving fallen tree limbs all day, and they are still coming down. Limbs were blocking all the cars except the 300D, so I took Doris to work, and have spent all day dealing with the limbs. On Dec 10, 2007 7:50 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin (CAT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WE are having a hell of an ice storm. Yesterday morning my internet went down because my provider lost power the next down over. Then in the middle of the night its cold in the house so I wake up to discover no power. Fun getting ready in the morning in the dark. Made it to work though although nobody else is here yet. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paging Mr Cathey...
Dang... I've got this idea for my SDL...adding SLS from a 560. Luther On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:33:00 -0600, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *perk* ABS pump? What would that be worth to you? Well, I sort of have this vague in-the-future idea involving toad and/or trailer braking... -- Jim -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm iced up!
Or if idiots didn't plant large trees next to power lines as they do in our area Luther On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:26:12 -0600, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More tree limbs fell during the night. One took out our mailbox, another was across the hod of the SDL this morning - looks like it fell, then bounced over - no dents that I can see. The house is at 60F, outside is up to 33F, it's raining. This is the largest power outage that OK has had, over 500k homes. We saw bright flashed of blue light last night while driving - reflecting off the cloud cover. Must have been more power lines coming down. Out house is served by underground lines, but the sub-station is fed by above ground lines, so it doesn't buy us much. I asume it costs more to bury the lines? Seems like we'd avoid a lot of outages if they were'nt flying up there in the trees --- -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty
Tom Hargrave wrote: Mitch asked: Does anybody have a workable strategy for getting Chrysler to honor a lifetime warranty without suing them?. Now that's a loaded question, since the Chrysler lifetime warranty has not been out long enough for any of the vehicles to go past a standard warranty. I bought a Plymouth new in 1989 with Chrysler Mastershield rustproofing, lifetime warranty on rust through, limited to $2000, must be inspected every two years. Selling dealer kept telling me, since about 1995, not rusted through yet, nothing we can do. Then that dealer closed, and in 1999, another dealer told me gee, what a mess, this should have been fixed years ago. He suggested that maybe I should buy another new car and they'd work with me on the price. I made five phone calls and two more visits to that dealer over a three month period, every time to be told I haven't had a chance to talk to my DSM about this yet. 2001, same dealer, different manager. Refused to even give me written evidence that I brought the car in for inspection. I do have a tape of me asking for it. Said he'd contact his district service manager, did nothing. 2003, same dealer, body shop manager #3: Also refused to give me confirmation that I brought the car in for inspection as required, and I have a tape of this guy telling me not to expect anything, because Chrysler doesn't like to honor its warranties. I could go on, but you get the picture. So don't go telling me that I don't know what I'm talking about. Chrysler is a criminal organization that intentionally refuses to pay valid warranty claims. There, did I phrase it plainly enough that time? I repeat, how do I get them to pay the $2000 they owe me, without taking them to court (an action which is long overdue and I am fully willing to take)? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
Shouldn't be much different from rural Maine?? :) Luther On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:49:21 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tomorrow night. We have no power but have heat from a couple of gas log fireplaces, hot running water etc, and candles/flashlights. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids Kaleb - when are the kids due to arrive? Have power yet? The OKC airport was closed yesterday, I guess the Tulsa airport was closed as well. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
Wait, that got my attention. My '96 Dakota has a largeish area where the paint is flaking off... Whats the scoop? -Curt Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:32:52 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain I sued in small claim's court. Paint (silver) was flaking off my '92 Dakota, judgement was $1200 for me. Pete -- Original message -- From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin Kraly wrote: When I bought the '07 Dodge Diesel pickup, the salesman basically told me that they were selling well enough on their own without the lifetime warranty gimic. I never consult salesmen for expert opinions on vehicles, or even corporate marketing strategy. I suspect the real reason is that they don't expect people to keep the gassers long enough to wear out the engines, and the ones who do they intend to ignore until they give up and sell the car. I have experience with the ignore the customer and hope he goes away strategy with a lifetime rustproofing warranty claim from Chrysler. Does anybody have a workable strategy for getting Chrysler to honor a lifetime warranty without suing them? Mitch. - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty
Take them to small claims court, they will probably roll over as hiring a lawyer to deal with this will likely cost them more than just paying out. Even if they do fight it, you will probably still win. SCC is a PITA but can be kinda fun if you have something else to do while waiting for your case to come up. --R Mitch Haley wrote: Tom Hargrave wrote: Mitch asked: Does anybody have a workable strategy for getting Chrysler to honor a lifetime warranty without suing them?. Now that's a loaded question, since the Chrysler lifetime warranty has not been out long enough for any of the vehicles to go past a standard warranty. I bought a Plymouth new in 1989 with Chrysler Mastershield rustproofing, lifetime warranty on rust through, limited to $2000, must be inspected every two years. Selling dealer kept telling me, since about 1995, not rusted through yet, nothing we can do. Then that dealer closed, and in 1999, another dealer told me gee, what a mess, this should have been fixed years ago. He suggested that maybe I should buy another new car and they'd work with me on the price. I made five phone calls and two more visits to that dealer over a three month period, every time to be told I haven't had a chance to talk to my DSM about this yet. 2001, same dealer, different manager. Refused to even give me written evidence that I brought the car in for inspection. I do have a tape of me asking for it. Said he'd contact his district service manager, did nothing. 2003, same dealer, body shop manager #3: Also refused to give me confirmation that I brought the car in for inspection as required, and I have a tape of this guy telling me not to expect anything, because Chrysler doesn't like to honor its warranties. I could go on, but you get the picture. So don't go telling me that I don't know what I'm talking about. Chrysler is a criminal organization that intentionally refuses to pay valid warranty claims. There, did I phrase it plainly enough that time? I repeat, how do I get them to pay the $2000 they owe me, without taking them to court (an action which is long overdue and I am fully willing to take)? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pointless vehicles
Ever look at the economy numbers? The H3 with 5cyl is a whopping 18! The H2 I don't think gets into double digits but fueleconomy.gov doesn't have numbers for it. -Curt Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:00:26 -0600 From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pointless vehicles To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Scott Ritchey wrote: I'd have to say the Hummer H2/H3 are right up there in the pointless class ... all the bas attributes of a real HMWWV without most of the capabilities. I agree... they can't even haul stuff on the inside. My brother works for the electronics department at Wal-mart, and they couldn't fit a 47 TV in the back (it was Plasma so had to be upright). They had to take it out of the box to make it fit. John - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty
Also ask for compensation for your time, as well as legal fees. Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Take them to small claims court, they will probably roll over as hiring a lawyer to deal with this will likely cost them more than just paying out. Even if they do fight it, you will probably still win. SCC is a PITA but can be kinda fun if you have something else to do while waiting for your case to come up. --R -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] an actual car question
DUDE, I have no power. Probably wont till next week. I can only check my mail at work since we do have power there. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] an actual car question yeah, chime in after everyone else has concluded it relates to the battery! and, btw, the problem was a drained battery and it started right up when jumped. On Dec 11, 2007 9:12 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: battery need to be charged? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 3:06 PM Subject: [MBZ] an actual car question i usually drive my 79 280ce, but i've been driving the 300td because i've taken the dogs everywhere since we got the german dog. i now feel ok with leaving them on their own, so i went out to drive the 280 this morning. it just made a sound like a toy machine gun while cranking and the engine was not turning at all. my first thought is that the starter is hosed, but the starter is pretty new. what you guys think? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paging Mr Cathey...
I have loads of ABS pumps --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paging Mr Cathey... *perk* ABS pump? What would that be worth to you? Well, I sort of have this vague in-the-future idea involving toad and/or trailer braking... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
EXACTLY, Except we have hot water and indoor plumbing, they are not used to that. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids Shouldn't be much different from rural Maine?? :) Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pointless vehicles (pointless numbers?)
Curt Raymond wrote: Ever look at the economy numbers? The H3 with 5cyl is a whopping 18! The H2 I don't think gets into double digits but fueleconomy.gov doesn't have numbers for it. I wonder if the H2 is in the same category as 3/4 ton pickups, which don't have EPA mileage ratings due to their being too large to consider passenger vehicles. Before they downgraded the ratings, I didn't have trouble beating the EPA highway ratings. I got 38-39mpg in my 1980 Citation, don't know for sure what EPA hwy was, but it sure wasn't that high. 1989 Horizon, rated 24/34, I averaged a bit under 35 for the first 100,000 miles. Was a bit under 36mpg before I put on a right outside mirror and P195/60HR14 tires in place of the P165/80R13. Drove at 45mph for one tank to see what was possible, got 43mpg. 1986 2.3-16, rated 18/22, I was getting 26-27 this summer. Don't want to know what mpg it's been getting the last month or so, it doesn't like cold weather AFAICT. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] an actual car question
that's why the car wouldn't start. no power. On Dec 11, 2007 11:12 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DUDE, I have no power. Probably wont till next week. I can only check my mail at work since we do have power there. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] an actual car question yeah, chime in after everyone else has concluded it relates to the battery! and, btw, the problem was a drained battery and it started right up when jumped. On Dec 11, 2007 9:12 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: battery need to be charged? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 3:06 PM Subject: [MBZ] an actual car question i usually drive my 79 280ce, but i've been driving the 300td because i've taken the dogs everywhere since we got the german dog. i now feel ok with leaving them on their own, so i went out to drive the 280 this morning. it just made a sound like a toy machine gun while cranking and the engine was not turning at all. my first thought is that the starter is hosed, but the starter is pretty new. what you guys think? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids
It'll be like being at the Ritz Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:14 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids EXACTLY, Except we have hot water and indoor plumbing, they are not used to that. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Funeral and kids Shouldn't be much different from rural Maine?? :) Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] an actual car question
Was the battery coated in ice? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:16 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] an actual car question that's why the car wouldn't start. no power. On Dec 11, 2007 11:12 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DUDE, I have no power. Probably wont till next week. I can only check my mail at work since we do have power there. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] an actual car question yeah, chime in after everyone else has concluded it relates to the battery! and, btw, the problem was a drained battery and it started right up when jumped. On Dec 11, 2007 9:12 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: battery need to be charged? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 3:06 PM Subject: [MBZ] an actual car question i usually drive my 79 280ce, but i've been driving the 300td because i've taken the dogs everywhere since we got the german dog. i now feel ok with leaving them on their own, so i went out to drive the 280 this morning. it just made a sound like a toy machine gun while cranking and the engine was not turning at all. my first thought is that the starter is hosed, but the starter is pretty new. what you guys think? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] an actual car question
no On Dec 11, 2007 11:19 AM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was the battery coated in ice? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Hurst Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:16 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] an actual car question that's why the car wouldn't start. no power. On Dec 11, 2007 11:12 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DUDE, I have no power. Probably wont till next week. I can only check my mail at work since we do have power there. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] an actual car question yeah, chime in after everyone else has concluded it relates to the battery! and, btw, the problem was a drained battery and it started right up when jumped. On Dec 11, 2007 9:12 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: battery need to be charged? --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 3:06 PM Subject: [MBZ] an actual car question i usually drive my 79 280ce, but i've been driving the 300td because i've taken the dogs everywhere since we got the german dog. i now feel ok with leaving them on their own, so i went out to drive the 280 this morning. it just made a sound like a toy machine gun while cranking and the engine was not turning at all. my first thought is that the starter is hosed, but the starter is pretty new. what you guys think? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190E 16v valve adjustment
I hope that's what you were looking for... Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT - Original Message - From: tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 6:22 PM Subject: [MBZ] 190E 16v valve adjustment I need to set the valves in the 16v. I thought I had the relevant section of manual around here somewhere, but can't find it. Could anyone send the file my way? Many thanks, Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 201 16v.rtf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 144877 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071210/0b606869/attachment.obj ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pointless vehicles
Well, I sure would like to have one of those too but I am afraid I would kill the diesel with too many short trips in the winters. The problem is that sometimes one needs to haul and sometimes one doesn't. Can't have enough different vehicles as there is nowhere to park them all and it is too expensive to carry insurance on a bunch of them. So, I drive the gas Supercrew back and forth to the office because that is my winter vehicle and my summer hauler going to the cottage and back. If I could, I might have a smaller car to drive around in the city. In the summer I use the old 300D around town. A diesel truck would be nice on the longer summer trips too but again, winter would kill it and I can't justify another vehicle right now. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:04 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Pointless vehicles Fun yes, I guess this is why people buy 300+ HP sedans and use them to drive to work and get groceries. Not nearly as silly as $50K four door jacked up 4WD diesel pickups hauling or towing nothing. RLE ** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty
SCC won't do that, but you can get your filing fees back. --R Allan Streib wrote: Also ask for compensation for your time, as well as legal fees. Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Take them to small claims court, they will probably roll over as hiring a lawyer to deal with this will likely cost them more than just paying out. Even if they do fight it, you will probably still win. SCC is a PITA but can be kinda fun if you have something else to do while waiting for your case to come up. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Am I argumentative
Doesn't a lot of this depend on the quality of the oil too? We are being told that we can run a 50:1 mixture in old outboard motors that originally called for as much as 16:1 mixtures. I am assuming that is mostly because the oil has improved since the 1960's. It makes me a bit nervous to reduce the oil that much but I am told there should not be a problem. If one puts in too much oil, then the motor tends to smoke a lot and things get gummed up. Not only that but from a green point of view, less oil is probably good for the lake as well. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of tom savage Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 6:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Am I argumentative Curt Raymond wrote: I also got into an oil thread on a snowmobile board today. One guy swears to use 40:1 mix in sled that call for 50:1. I'm just politely pointing out that the engineers that designed it probably knew better than anybody how much oil it should have and out of the blue some other guy is calling me a girly man... Not that it has any relevance whatsoever to a snowmobile, girly man, but the Marshall Booths of the Trabant world say to always run 40:1 instead of the specified 50:1. They do run better with the richer mix... Tom P.S. Just kidding about the girly part. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB Diesel Powered Grand Cherokee
I have not read all of the posts in regard to this subject so forgive me if I'm way off the topic here. Don't know what is available in the US but I note that there are ads in the paper here this morning for new Grand Cherokees with an MB diesel engine. About $45K if my memory is correct. Randy in Winnipeg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Jeep smokers
Kevin, i think you're probably correct; thanks for the clarification! cheers! e Kevin Kraly wrote: The 80's Diesel cherokees were powered by a Renault 2.1L 4 cylinder engine, and parts are practically impossible to find for them. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty
They won't Roll Over. They have a Bazillion lawers who are on retainer, they'll sent a Jr. Partner. BTDT Pete -- Original message -- From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also ask for compensation for your time, as well as legal fees. Rich Thomas writes: Take them to small claims court, they will probably roll over as hiring a lawyer to deal with this will likely cost them more than just paying out. Even if they do fight it, you will probably still win. SCC is a PITA but can be kinda fun if you have something else to do while waiting for your case to come up. --R -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paging Mr Cathey...
Luther wrote: Dang... I've got this idea for my SDL...adding SLS from a 560. Why would you need the ABS pump for the SLS system? Just use the tandem PS pump like the wagons do. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty
nah, they are going to weasel out of all of those warranty claims once they come about. On Dec 11, 2007 9:17 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch asked: Does anybody have a workable strategy for getting Chrysler to honor a lifetime warranty without suing them?. Now that's a loaded question, since the Chrysler lifetime warranty has not been out long enough for any of the vehicles to go past a standard warranty. My wife worked on the Chrysler five star certification team a while ago and she'll tell you in a second that they have an excellent service program. But, take you car in with a worn out engine 4 of sludge in the pan and you the service manager will have a discussion. Regardless of the manufacturer, we are mostly responsible for engines that wear out early. There are some exceptions, like the 3.8 liter engine in my Son's M class, the rod bender Mercedes diesels and the late 80's Mitsubishi V-6. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty
They'll argue (with some merit) that the cars usefull life ended several years ago. It has depreciated out, if it was rust free now, it woulk be worth about $50. This is and 18 year old, inexpensive car! Your jousting with Windmills... Pete -- Original message -- From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tom Hargrave wrote: Mitch asked: Does anybody have a workable strategy for getting Chrysler to honor a lifetime warranty without suing them?. Now that's a loaded question, since the Chrysler lifetime warranty has not been out long enough for any of the vehicles to go past a standard warranty. I bought a Plymouth new in 1989 with Chrysler Mastershield rustproofing, lifetime warranty on rust through, limited to $2000, must be inspected every two years. Selling dealer kept telling me, since about 1995, not rusted through yet, nothing we can do. Then that dealer closed, and in 1999, another dealer told me gee, what a mess, this should have been fixed years ago. He suggested that maybe I should buy another new car and they'd work with me on the price. I made five phone calls and two more visits to that dealer over a three month period, every time to be told I haven't had a chance to talk to my DSM about this yet. 2001, same dealer, different manager. Refused to even give me written evidence that I brought the car in for inspection. I do have a tape of me asking for it. Said he'd contact his district service manager, did nothing. 2003, same dealer, body shop manager #3: Also refused to give me confirmation that I brought the car in for inspection as required, and I have a tape of this guy telling me not to expect anything, because Chrysler doesn't like to honor its warranties. I could go on, but you get the picture. So don't go telling me that I don't know what I'm talking about. Chrysler is a criminal organization that intentionally refuses to pay valid warranty claims. There, did I phrase it plainly enough that time? I repeat, how do I get them to pay the $2000 they owe me, without taking them to court (an action which is long overdue and I am fully willing to take)? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty
Mitch, You are accusing Chrysler of being criminal when you were actually dealing with a crooked dealership. The lifetime warranty rust through package was actually sold by the dealership they profited from the sale. The sale included an undercoating package a 2 year inspection. The every 2 year inspection was designed to head off damage before it became too great this is where the crooked dealership fell short. They should have ID'd the damage repaired it early. But instead, they let it ride, hoping you would sell the car. You are trying to make the next dealership inherit a mess and I don't blame them for doing as little as possible. They know that the other dealership was crooked I'd bet that your car is not the only disaster they are dealing with. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/11/07 09:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Tom Hargrave wrote: Mitch asked: Does anybody have a workable strategy for getting Chrysler to honor a lifetime warranty without suing them?. Now that's a loaded question, since the Chrysler lifetime warranty has not been out long enough for any of the vehicles to go past a standard warranty. I bought a Plymouth new in 1989 with Chrysler Mastershield rustproofing, lifetime warranty on rust through, limited to $2000, must be inspected every two years. Selling dealer kept telling me, since about 1995, not rusted through yet, nothing we can do. Then that dealer closed, and in 1999, another dealer told me gee, what a mess, this should have been fixed years ago. He suggested that maybe I should buy another new car and they'd work with me on the price. I made five phone calls and two more visits to that dealer over a three month period, every time to be told I haven't had a chance to talk to my DSM about this yet. 2001, same dealer, different manager. Refused to even give me written evidence that I brought the car in for inspection. I do have a tape of me asking for it. Said he'd contact his district service manager, did nothing. 2003, same dealer, body shop manager #3: Also refused to give me confirmation that I brought the car in for inspection as required, and I have a tape of this guy telling me not to expect anything, because Chrysler doesn't like to honor its warranties. I could go on, but you get the picture. So don't go telling me that I don't know what I'm talking about. Chrysler is a criminal organization that intentionally refuses to pay valid warranty claims. There, did I phrase it plainly enough that time? I repeat, how do I get them to pay the $2000 they owe me, without taking them to court (an action which is long overdue and I am fully willing to take)? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm iced up!
Here its not that they plant 'em near the power lines but that they won't let 'em cut them. Heck if a tree is reaching out over my power lines and the power company wants to cut it I tell 'em to go for it! -Curt Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:40:43 -0600 From: Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] I'm iced up! To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Or if idiots didn't plant large trees next to power lines as they do in our area Luther - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] small claims court
Regarding the Chrysler warranty and small claims court suggestion, I don't know what state you're in but it's a waste of time in NY. All the person being sued has to do is have the business incorporated in someone else's name and the next step requires a lawyer in order to file the appropriate papers and it wasn't worth it in my case. There are many business owners with questionable ethics who know how to beat the system. Good luck. GG. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire kickers...
Ernest wrote it's amazing what kind of POSs some sellers will want to waste your time to show you even when you're *very* specific about the condition of what you're looking for I think much of this is due to the general lack of knowledge about MBs - some people see the 3 pointed Star and see an $80K vehicle - regardless of age or condition. I imagine the same is true of people seeing a RR, Ferrari Porsche or other exotic car. Many people seldom see these cars and when they do they look past the warts. I haven;t looked at many private owned vehicles of this caliber but the ones I see at used car lots have the same mentality. There was an auction a fe months ago. I wanted tog o just to see how the process worked. They required some registration of the potential buyers which I agreed to but to get into the tent where the exotic cars were showing req'd a $10K letter of credit or cashiers's check. I asked why and they said the Maybach they had was a $800k car - I started to argue since they sell for less than $500k unless they get a *lot* of options - which this one did not have - but the lady on the hone had been told the MB Maybachs were outrageously expensive and she went with what she was told. I don't know who they're fooling - the people with the money to buy something like these cars know the value - those who are impressed by incorrect claims don't have the money to do anything with the information so I still don't understand why sellers exaggerate the condition of cars they are selling - Anyway - it's odd that people see our old MBs and think they're as valuable as ne ones. I was traveling to a engineering office with a couple of other members of our team and we all rode in the same rental car. We passed a 70s 220/240 struggling to get thru an intersection when oneof the engineers said, Look - an $80,000 car and he ran out of gas. A reasonably intelligent guy possessing little knowledge of older MBs. Maybe the people trying to pass off a POS are hoping someone like that will come by and drop several thousand more than the car is worth - just so they can drive away in a MB. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire kickers... i wouldn't be surprised; but i spent 6 months looking over a 450 mile range for a 300D i deemed worth buying, and have had other MBZ-heads drooling on it ever since asking how i was able to find one in such great condition with only 120K miles on it... it's amazing what kind of POSs some sellers will want to waste your time to show you even when you're *very* specific about the condition of what you're looking for. only a few people were upstanding enough to actually say this might not be what you're looking for, while the condition of other vehicles people wanted to show me differed enough from the description to be downright criminal. cheers! e Timothy Robinson wrote: I'd almost forgotten I had a car listed on Craigslist. I got a call this morning, a guy asking was it still available and could he see it. The guy was calling from three hours away. He intended to drive today (short notice) to see the car. I gave him directions. I had meetings today but I'd left the car for service with the mechanic over the weekend so he was welcome to go by the shop, talk to the mechanic and drive the car if he wished. I even suggested if the car (W123) didn't stike him that the mechanic also had several W123 diesels for sale. This evening having heard nothing from the feller, I called the mechanic. The guy indeed did show up. He drove the car. He liked it. He also looked at five other cars, driving one or two. Told the mechanic he'd looked at several other cars the past week, said Thanks and left. We were just amazed to have someone drive six hours round trip just to kick tires. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1179 - Release Date: 12/9/2007 11:06 AM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tire kickers...
the flip side is also true - I have a POS MB for sale, and several people have come by just to waste my time and lowball me. I mean, they lowballed to insulting levels, worse than Kaleb. And in my description, I was -quite- accurate as to the condition. On Dec 11, 2007 1:41 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ernest wrote it's amazing what kind of POSs some sellers will want to waste your time to show you even when you're *very* specific about the condition of what you're looking for I think much of this is due to the general lack of knowledge about MBs - some people see the 3 pointed Star and see an $80K vehicle - regardless of age or condition. I imagine the same is true of people seeing a RR, Ferrari Porsche or other exotic car. Many people seldom see these cars and when they do they look past the warts. I haven;t looked at many private owned vehicles of this caliber but the ones I see at used car lots have the same mentality. There was an auction a fe months ago. I wanted tog o just to see how the process worked. They required some registration of the potential buyers which I agreed to but to get into the tent where the exotic cars were showing req'd a $10K letter of credit or cashiers's check. I asked why and they said the Maybach they had was a $800k car - I started to argue since they sell for less than $500k unless they get a *lot* of options - which this one did not have - but the lady on the hone had been told the MB Maybachs were outrageously expensive and she went with what she was told. I don't know who they're fooling - the people with the money to buy something like these cars know the value - those who are impressed by incorrect claims don't have the money to do anything with the information so I still don't understand why sellers exaggerate the condition of cars they are selling - Anyway - it's odd that people see our old MBs and think they're as valuable as ne ones. I was traveling to a engineering office with a couple of other members of our team and we all rode in the same rental car. We passed a 70s 220/240 struggling to get thru an intersection when oneof the engineers said, Look - an $80,000 car and he ran out of gas. A reasonably intelligent guy possessing little knowledge of older MBs. Maybe the people trying to pass off a POS are hoping someone like that will come by and drop several thousand more than the car is worth - just so they can drive away in a MB. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire kickers... i wouldn't be surprised; but i spent 6 months looking over a 450 mile range for a 300D i deemed worth buying, and have had other MBZ-heads drooling on it ever since asking how i was able to find one in such great condition with only 120K miles on it... it's amazing what kind of POSs some sellers will want to waste your time to show you even when you're *very* specific about the condition of what you're looking for. only a few people were upstanding enough to actually say this might not be what you're looking for, while the condition of other vehicles people wanted to show me differed enough from the description to be downright criminal. cheers! e Timothy Robinson wrote: I'd almost forgotten I had a car listed on Craigslist. I got a call this morning, a guy asking was it still available and could he see it. The guy was calling from three hours away. He intended to drive today (short notice) to see the car. I gave him directions. I had meetings today but I'd left the car for service with the mechanic over the weekend so he was welcome to go by the shop, talk to the mechanic and drive the car if he wished. I even suggested if the car (W123) didn't stike him that the mechanic also had several W123 diesels for sale. This evening having heard nothing from the feller, I called the mechanic. The guy indeed did show up. He drove the car. He liked it. He also looked at five other cars, driving one or two. Told the mechanic he'd looked at several other cars the past week, said Thanks and left. We were just amazed to have someone drive six hours round trip just to kick tires. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 /
Re: [MBZ] small claims court
In Connecticut, anyone doing business has to be registered with Secratary of State. They are required to designate their Agent of Service. That is who you have the sherriff serve, very simple and gets their attention. Pete -- Original message -- From: Glenn Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regarding the Chrysler warranty and small claims court suggestion, I don't know what state you're in but it's a waste of time in NY. All the person being sued has to do is have the business incorporated in someone else's name and the next step requires a lawyer in order to file the appropriate papers and it wasn't worth it in my case. There are many business owners with questionable ethics who know how to beat the system. Good luck. GG. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They'll argue (with some merit) that the cars usefull life ended several years ago. It has depreciated out, if it was rust free now, it woulk be worth about $50. This is and 18 year old, inexpensive car! It was a six year old car in mint condition when this saga started. And if the factory intended it to be a dealer warranty, rather than a nationwide factory warranty, they committed criminal fraud with malice aforethought when they provided factory warranty contracts to the dealers to be used with this program. Here's another data point: Another Horizon, two years older, also rustproofed when new, began to show trouble around 94-95, same time as my car. Took it to Tuff-Kote, they wrote a check on the spot to pay for repairs. That's the difference between doing business with a legitimate enterprise and doing business with the orgnized crime syndicate known as Chrysler. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty
Go park it in front of a dealer with a big sign on it saying Lemon or POS or Ask Me About Warranties or something like that, drive away customers, see how long it takes to get noticed. Pick a slow day and get the TV news crews out there. --R Mitch Haley wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They'll argue (with some merit) that the cars usefull life ended several years ago. It has depreciated out, if it was rust free now, it woulk be worth about $50. This is and 18 year old, inexpensive car! It was a six year old car in mint condition when this saga started. And if the factory intended it to be a dealer warranty, rather than a nationwide factory warranty, they committed criminal fraud with malice aforethought when they provided factory warranty contracts to the dealers to be used with this program. Here's another data point: Another Horizon, two years older, also rustproofed when new, began to show trouble around 94-95, same time as my car. Took it to Tuff-Kote, they wrote a check on the spot to pay for repairs. That's the difference between doing business with a legitimate enterprise and doing business with the orgnized crime syndicate known as Chrysler. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2 stroke oil
It depends. Amsoil makes a 2 stroke oil you can run at 100:1. I used it some at 60:1 in an old Ski-Doo that called for 20:1 and it was fine. Then I switched to a regular oil at 50:1 and burned that snomwbile down... If I were going to use less oil than the manufacturer called for I'd make sure it was a really good synthetic oil... Yeah it should be considerably better for the lake. -Curt Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:45:54 -0600 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Am I argumentative To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Doesn't a lot of this depend on the quality of the oil too? We are being told that we can run a 50:1 mixture in old outboard motors that originally called for as much as 16:1 mixtures. I am assuming that is mostly because the oil has improved since the 1960's. It makes me a bit nervous to reduce the oil that much but I am told there should not be a problem. If one puts in too much oil, then the motor tends to smoke a lot and things get gummed up. Not only that but from a green point of view, less oil is probably good for the lake as well. Randy - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] VIN Check Choices
All, I'm back in the market for something for the youngest daughter to drive (to replace her totalled Civic). Anyone with experience in both Carfax and Autocheck have a preference? I'll probably be running at least 4 to 5 VINs through, so figured I might as well pop for a subscription to one or the other. Gary Thompson 1995 E320 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty
The standard Chrysler rust through warranty is 7 years but I believe it was less in the late 80s. 94 - 95 would be about right for the Horizon to show trouble in a rust prone area. You also mentioned Tuff-Kote. I'd argue that since the rust through started showing at about when it should have in an unprotected car that the Tuff-Kote undercoating was worthless. At least they covered their proverbial *ss, unlike the crooked dealership you were dealing with. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They'll argue (with some merit) that the cars usefull life ended several years ago. It has depreciated out, if it was rust free now, it woulk be worth about $50. This is and 18 year old, inexpensive car! It was a six year old car in mint condition when this saga started. And if the factory intended it to be a dealer warranty, rather than a nationwide factory warranty, they committed criminal fraud with malice aforethought when they provided factory warranty contracts to the dealers to be used with this program. Here's another data point: Another Horizon, two years older, also rustproofed when new, began to show trouble around 94-95, same time as my car. Took it to Tuff-Kote, they wrote a check on the spot to pay for repairs. That's the difference between doing business with a legitimate enterprise and doing business with the orgnized crime syndicate known as Chrysler. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty
Hi, Those rustproof services a valid only in the desert states. CA NE Texas etc. Chicago dealers sell the goop undercoating a lot. Really good for the payment period only. All a bunch of crap from a body tech:do not buy it! Ed in Chicago SALTY 34F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They won't Roll Over. They have a Bazillion lawers who are on retainer, they'll sent a Jr. Partner. BTDT Pete -- Original message -- From: Allan Streib Also ask for compensation for your time, as well as legal fees. Rich Thomas writes: Take them to small claims court, they will probably roll over as hiring a lawyer to deal with this will likely cost them more than just paying out. Even if they do fight it, you will probably still win. SCC is a PITA but can be kinda fun if you have something else to do while waiting for your case to come up. --R -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Is this a scam?
So there was this used Generac diesel generator on Craigslist for a very good price: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/tls/504939058.html I sent the guy an email with a bunch of tech questions about it (not harassing him, just wanted to save myself a trip if it's worn out or otherwise unsuitable to power my house in the next nasty storm), and this is the reply I got: Hi , The generator is in good working condition and the price I'm selling it for is $1850, which is including all shippings charges. I live in Portland but I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this generator without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery with a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to inspect it before final decision. If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward. I am waiting your email. Thanks This sounds like some kind of Nigerian scam, doesn't it? Sigh. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Is this a scam?
Yes it's a scam. 99% chance. Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So there was this used Generac diesel generator on Craigslist for a very good price: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/tls/504939058.html I sent the guy an email with a bunch of tech questions about it (not harassing him, just wanted to save myself a trip if it's worn out or otherwise unsuitable to power my house in the next nasty storm), and this is the reply I got: Hi , The generator is in good working condition and the price I'm selling it for is $1850, which is including all shippings charges. I live in Portland but I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this generator without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery with a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to inspect it before final decision. If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward. I am waiting your email. Thanks This sounds like some kind of Nigerian scam, doesn't it? Sigh. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Is this a scam?
Run away! On Dec 11, 2007 2:44 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So there was this used Generac diesel generator on Craigslist for a very good price: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/tls/504939058.html I sent the guy an email with a bunch of tech questions about it (not harassing him, just wanted to save myself a trip if it's worn out or otherwise unsuitable to power my house in the next nasty storm), and this is the reply I got: Hi , The generator is in good working condition and the price I'm selling it for is $1850, which is including all shippings charges. I live in Portland but I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this generator without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery with a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to inspect it before final decision. If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward. I am waiting your email. Thanks This sounds like some kind of Nigerian scam, doesn't it? Sigh. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty
I agree. The real issue is that to be effective, the rustproofing must penetrate every seam in the car body it's just not possible with a spray on coating. The best rust proofing comes from the factory. They start with coated steel for the body panels then the complete bodies go through a bath that coats 100% of the inside outside of the body panels with primer before paint. Problem is, neither of these two methods in wide spread use until the late 80s. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: EDWARD DENNIS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/11/07 02:50 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Hi, Those rustproof services a valid only in the desert states. CA NE Texas etc. Chicago dealers sell the goop undercoating a lot. Really good for the payment period only. All a bunch of crap from a body tech:do not buy it! Ed in Chicago SALTY 34F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They won't Roll Over. They have a Bazillion lawers who are on retainer, they'll sent a Jr. Partner. BTDT Pete -- Original message -- From: Allan Streib Also ask for compensation for your time, as well as legal fees. Rich Thomas writes: Take them to small claims court, they will probably roll over as hiring a lawyer to deal with this will likely cost them more than just paying out. Even if they do fight it, you will probably still win. SCC is a PITA but can be kinda fun if you have something else to do while waiting for your case to come up. --R -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Is this a scam?
If it is too good to be true then it probably is. I should think the unit would sell for a better price than that given how it looks in the photos. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 2:51 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is this a scam? Run away! On Dec 11, 2007 2:44 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So there was this used Generac diesel generator on Craigslist for a very good price: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/tls/504939058.html I sent the guy an email with a bunch of tech questions about it (not harassing him, just wanted to save myself a trip if it's worn out or otherwise unsuitable to power my house in the next nasty storm), and this is the reply I got: Hi , The generator is in good working condition and the price I'm selling it for is $1850, which is including all shippings charges. I live in Portland but I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this generator without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery with a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to inspect it before final decision. If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward. I am waiting your email. Thanks This sounds like some kind of Nigerian scam, doesn't it? Sigh. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Proudly marching to the beat of a different kettle of fish. Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty
Try not to hold it in Mitch! On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:05:56 -0500, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They'll argue (with some merit) that the cars usefull life ended several years ago. It has depreciated out, if it was rust free now, it woulk be worth about $50. This is and 18 year old, inexpensive car! It was a six year old car in mint condition when this saga started. And if the factory intended it to be a dealer warranty, rather than a nationwide factory warranty, they committed criminal fraud with malice aforethought when they provided factory warranty contracts to the dealers to be used with this program. Here's another data point: Another Horizon, two years older, also rustproofed when new, began to show trouble around 94-95, same time as my car. Took it to Tuff-Kote, they wrote a check on the spot to pay for repairs. That's the difference between doing business with a legitimate enterprise and doing business with the orgnized crime syndicate known as Chrysler. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty
I wish Marshall would chime in with Elementary Chemistry and tell you fellows that there is NOTHING YOU CAN DO to stop steel from returning to it's elements as red oxide. Stainless steel is much slower, probably thousands of year but, it will get there. Do can slow down carbon steel. Galvanized was used on Ford Falcons of the 60's. Every notice that they didn't rust for a long time? They stopped because they had difficulty with paint quality. If you don't want it to rust, just keep all oxygen away from it. Pete On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:26:54 -0600, you wrote: I agree. The real issue is that to be effective, the rustproofing must penetrate every seam in the car body it's just not possible with a spray on coating. The best rust proofing comes from the factory. They start with coated steel for the body panels then the complete bodies go through a bath that coats 100% of the inside outside of the body panels with primer before paint. Problem is, neither of these two methods in wide spread use until the late 80s. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: EDWARD DENNIS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/11/07 02:50 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Hi, Those rustproof services a valid only in the desert states. CA NE Texas etc. Chicago dealers sell the goop undercoating a lot. Really good for the payment period only. All a bunch of crap from a body tech:do not buy it! Ed in Chicago SALTY 34F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They won't Roll Over. They have a Bazillion lawers who are on retainer, they'll sent a Jr. Partner. BTDT Pete -- Original message -- From: Allan Streib Also ask for compensation for your time, as well as legal fees. Rich Thomas writes: Take them to small claims court, they will probably roll over as hiring a lawyer to deal with this will likely cost them more than just paying out. Even if they do fight it, you will probably still win. SCC is a PITA but can be kinda fun if you have something else to do while waiting for your case to come up. --R -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 286 KMI Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Replace the smoke in your wires
Note: forwarded message attached. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- next part -- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Fred Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT Replace the smoke in your wires Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:08:45 -0800 (PST) Size: 749 Url: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071211/a651dece/attachment.mht ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Good Omen
Tuesday, Dec 10, 2007 about 4:00 AM Eastbound on Route 80 somewhere between Bloomsburg and Milton, Saw a car carrier pulling a mid 1960 MB 110 Chassis I think. About a mile down the road passed a 1983 or so 123 chassis 300D chugging along too. Thought it was neat to see them so close. The 110 chassis looked to be in great shape. Regards Tom Scordato ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Is this a scam?
Scamity Scam Scam. Scammity McScamerton. Certainly you've alerted the CL knucks... Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 1:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is this a scam? Yes it's a scam. 99% chance. Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So there was this used Generac diesel generator on Craigslist for a very good price: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/tls/504939058.html I sent the guy an email with a bunch of tech questions about it (not harassing him, just wanted to save myself a trip if it's worn out or otherwise unsuitable to power my house in the next nasty storm), and this is the reply I got: Hi , The generator is in good working condition and the price I'm selling it for is $1850, which is including all shippings charges. I live in Portland but I`m currently working in the UK (London) and I`ll be staying here for the next approximately 7 months, anyway I`m using MoneyBookers services so I can sell this generator without difficulty. I left it at their warehouse before leaving to the UK. They will take care of the delivery with a 14-day return policy so you will have the chance to inspect it before final decision. If you want to purchase it, let me know and I will explain you how MoneyBookers works and how we can move forward. I am waiting your email. Thanks This sounds like some kind of Nigerian scam, doesn't it? Sigh. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Is this a scam?
Dead link now, so we're not the only ones voting scam. This posting has been flagged for removal ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Replace the smoke in your wires
Man...I wish those were available when I had my TR7... Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fred Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 2:58 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT Replace the smoke in your wires Note: forwarded message attached. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- next part -- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Fred Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT Replace the smoke in your wires Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:08:45 -0800 (PST) Size: 749 Url: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20071211/a65 1dece/attachment.mht ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty
My 68 Chevy pickup appears to have had some better treatment or better steel than most of the vehicles since. If it gets a scratch (and it has plenty of them) the steel rusts at bit but then just sits there. It does not seem to get any worse over time. My 86 Chevy Suburban, on the other hand, would corrode in big scaly patches if anything touched it. Was the steel better way back when or did they treat it in some manner that they later determined was not necessary or too expensive or what?? Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 3:27 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty I agree. The real issue is that to be effective, the rustproofing must penetrate every seam in the car body it's just not possible with a spray on coating. The best rust proofing comes from the factory. They start with coated steel for the body panels then the complete bodies go through a bath that coats 100% of the inside outside of the body panels with primer before paint. Problem is, neither of these two methods in wide spread use until the late 80s. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: EDWARD DENNIS [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12/11/07 02:50 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Hi, Those rustproof services a valid only in the desert states. CA NE Texas etc. Chicago dealers sell the goop undercoating a lot. Really good for the payment period only. All a bunch of crap from a body tech:do not buy it! Ed in Chicago SALTY 34F [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They won't Roll Over. They have a Bazillion lawers who are on retainer, they'll sent a Jr. Partner. BTDT Pete -- Original message -- From: Allan Streib Also ask for compensation for your time, as well as legal fees. Rich Thomas writes: Take them to small claims court, they will probably roll over as hiring a lawyer to deal with this will likely cost them more than just paying out. Even if they do fight it, you will probably still win. SCC is a PITA but can be kinda fun if you have something else to do while waiting for your case to come up. --R -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Chrysler Lifetime Warranty
Tom Hargrave wrote: You also mentioned Tuff-Kote. I'd argue that since the rust through started showing at about when it should have in an unprotected car that the Tuff-Kote undercoating was worthless. Yes, about normal. The Tuff Kote car was two years older than with my car, and I washed mine weekly. OTOH, the Tuff Kote car had 40k on the odo in eight years, mine had about 125k in six years. (51k in the first year) Both cars kept in the Lansing, MI area, except for the year mine spent in Champaign IL. If anything, they seemed to use less salt in Illinois. It's been a long time since rustproofing offered any benefit over a decent factory job. When you buy rustproofing, you're really buying a warranty. But it seems I didn't get one after I paid for it. A friend of mine bought an F250 in October 2001 and took it to Zeibart. Every year he takes it back to them, they clean it thoroughly, retreat it in several places, and relieve him of more $$ (at least the Chrysler inspections were free before they quit doing them for me). He has full perforation around the wheel wells on the outside of the box. I should ask him how this year's inspection/retreatment went. His truck is worse off than my Horizon was at six years. He paid $35k for that truck and intended to keep it for decades. I wouldn't be surprised if the body on his 1966 F100 outlasts the F250. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 300DT
Hi All, I have a couple of questions concerning my Ladies really sweet 1984 300DT. (148,000 miles) I can remember that when the gas gauge reads 1/4 tank it is really empty, she can't. How do I go about diagnosing the problem and then repairing it? This same vehicle on the rear bumper has the standard rubber strip across the center, it is beginning to separate from the bumper how do I permanently reattach it? Dave H... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Craigslist keywords
What 's the deal with people putting a long list of irrelevant keywords in their craigslist posting, so that it comes up on searches that have nothing to do with the item for sale? This is the worst offender I've seen yet: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/pts/506230307.html Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Is this a scam?
On Dec 11, 2007 2:31 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dead link now, so we're not the only ones voting scam. This posting has been flagged for removal Too bad, it was interesting to look at, because it didn't look like a typical scam post to me---the description sounded genuine, not like cut 'n' paste copy from a manufacturer's web site, and the pictures seemed to depict the item described as well. I might have to give up and buy a Chinese generator after all. :( Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Craigslist keywords
That's crazy. Doesn't CL have some people that checks these before they are put on? Or do they rely on people to read them and then flag them? Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:11 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Craigslist keywords What 's the deal with people putting a long list of irrelevant keywords in their craigslist posting, so that it comes up on searches that have nothing to do with the item for sale? This is the worst offender I've seen yet: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/pts/506230307.html Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Craigslist keywords
This is called exposure, done to ensure that as many people as possible look at the ad in the hope that someone will buy the crap you are selling, even though they didn't want it. For example if you where to sell a Merc, it would pay to put in keywords that others may be looking for like, luxury four door, V8 powered, auto climate control, low mileage, prestige, limousine, sunroof, etc. Then someone looking for a fancy car will see your ad and go hmmnh that looks nice, I might buy that. Of course you being the fine word smith you are would do this tastefully and not crudely like others do. Hendrik who believes in truth in advertising and Santa Alex Chamberlain wrote: What 's the deal with people putting a long list of irrelevant keywords in their craigslist posting, so that it comes up on searches that have nothing to do with the item for sale? This is the worst offender I've seen yet: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/pts/506230307.html Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Craigslist keywords
On Dec 11, 2007 3:41 PM, Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is called exposure, done to ensure that as many people as possible look at the ad in the hope that someone will buy the crap you are selling, even though they didn't want it. For example if you where to sell a Merc, it would pay to put in keywords that others may be looking for like, luxury four door, V8 powered, auto climate control, low mileage, prestige, limousine, sunroof, etc. Then someone looking for a fancy car will see your ad and go hmmnh that looks nice, I might buy that. Of course you being the fine word smith you are would do this tastefully and not crudely like others do. Crudely is right. I searched for saab and got an ad for Lexus wheels. Waste of my time (and the seller's, too, if I were as dumb as him and emailed him Will your Lexus wheels fit my 99 EMS???). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Craigslist keywords
Hi all, I believe that if you check the only search titles box, the other stuff/keywords are not included into your Craigslist search YMMV Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Paging Mr Cathey...
uh...lets call that lack of sleepI just woke up and I'm getting ready to shower for work. Luther On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:11:40 -0600, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther wrote: Dang... I've got this idea for my SDL...adding SLS from a 560. Why would you need the ABS pump for the SLS system? Just use the tandem PS pump like the wagons do. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 300DT
Might want to get the tank cleaned and the strainer replaced at the same time - likely you have algae growing in the tank that plugs the tank screen around a quarter tank. Check the clear fuel filter -- I'll bet it's black with flakey stuff. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 300DT
Oh goodie! Something I've just recently experienced!? Tank: I just had a fuel tank replaced. The tank vent apparently had become clogged and vacume was causeing the tank to implode. It reached the point that my tank capacity was only about 8 ga.. By that time the fuel sending unit had been damaged and also had to be replaced. Though I replaced the tank with a used one, advice on list was that it could be repaired with air pressure. (Mine was too far gone.) At any rate, check your fuel vent line? The bumper strip separating? That was happening on my '84 as previous owner had bumped something with bumper which allowed slack. The rubber bumper has a channel by which it slides onto to strips which retain it to the bumper. They had horizonal (molded) hooks which fit into slots on the bumper. I reattached mine by threading a piece of wire between the two strips at the center of the bumper and tightening it, pulling the two toward center so the hooks engaged the slots. Then I manipulated the bumper strip to center it. (It was a warm day and I lubed the channel). How's 'zat for technical talk, y'all? From: Dave H... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:07:50 -0500 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1984 300DT Hi All, I have a couple of questions concerning my Ladies really sweet 1984 300DT. (148,000 miles) I can remember that when the gas gauge reads 1/4 tank it is really empty, she can't. How do I go about diagnosing the problem and then repairing it? This same vehicle on the rear bumper has the standard rubber strip across the center, it is beginning to separate from the bumper how do I permanently reattach it? Dave H... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Craigslist keywords
hm... obviously it get your post flagged. From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:10:34 -0800 To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Craigslist keywords What 's the deal with people putting a long list of irrelevant keywords in their craigslist posting, so that it comes up on searches that have nothing to do with the item for sale? This is the worst offender I've seen yet: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/pts/506230307.html Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm iced up!
We got power today - twice. It was on fro less than an hour early in the afternoon, then went off for a couple of hours, and has been on for the last three hours - we're starting to believe that it might last through the night. We're very fortunate - most still don't have power, and they aren't expecting to finish restoring it for another 9 days. Ice and snow is forecast to return Friday or Sat. I'm thinking that the 240D needs a NA 617 engine in front of the manual tranny, and the 616 engine needs to sit in front of a gen head, in the back yard. On Dec 11, 2007 11:49 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here its not that they plant 'em near the power lines but that they won't let 'em cut them. Heck if a tree is reaching out over my power lines and the power company wants to cut it I tell 'em to go for it! -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Craigslist keywords
I have reported afew of those on eBay. Seems less of a problem recently. BillR -Original Message- From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 12/11/07 6:10 PM Subject: [MBZ] Craigslist keywords What 's the deal with people putting a long list of irrelevant keywords in their craigslist posting, so that it comes up on searches that have nothing to do with the item for sale? This is the worst offender I've seen yet: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/pts/506230307.html Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Craigslist keywords
I 'd like to see several thousand people do just that, Alex BillR. and not crudely like others do. Crudely is right. I searched for saab and got an ad for Lexus wheels. Waste of my time (and the seller's, too, if I were as dumb as him and emailed him Will your Lexus wheels fit my 99 EMS???). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm iced up!
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:26:12 -0600 OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I asume it costs more to bury the lines? Seems like we'd avoid a lot of outages if they were'nt flying up there in the trees --- Yes, it costs more for the initial installation to bury the lines. The upkeep, however, is less, as you can imagine. Same reason why lower income people drive gas guzzelers, that's all they can afford for the initial investment. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Chicken wagon molting
Jill asked me today if the car wasn't supposed to have a piece of molding on the driver's door. Why yes, it should. Apparently the thing fell off somewhere in the last day or two. All but one of the round clips are gone. Probably there were two left, and when the (front) one fell out or broke the whole thing stripped away. Crap. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Hey Fred
Hi, Curt. Yup I have seen those ads. If I came home with the TD, I'd go to sleep a baritone and wake up a soprano, and not one of those on TV! Want it though! I'm just down the road from his place, so near and yet so far. Fred Moir Lynn MA 85 300TD 87 190DT Bent Parking spot for an '87 300TD . Have you seen these? http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/car/504510057.html http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/car/504512110.html $1500 for a Jetta diesel seems like a good price, would a '91 n/a be a dog? The pictures look pretty good but somewhat vauge. His claim that he will get his price is probably valid but they've been on there for a few months. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Dog's near-fatal accident
Today Jill showed me a torn-up UPS package she found in the yard. Apparently the hardtop grab handle came yesterday or today, and the dog found it first. The handle's probably a chew toy now, assuming it could even be found. Crap. This sort of behavior is getting _very_ old. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dog's near-fatal accident
Heh heh, I dealt with exactly the same thing about a week ago, luckily the dog had not managed to tear the package open, having gotten distracted by the christmas lights and tearing those up instead. Allan On Dec 11, 2007, at 10:31 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Today Jill showed me a torn-up UPS package she found in the yard. Apparently the hardtop grab handle came yesterday or today, and the dog found it first. The handle's probably a chew toy now, assuming it could even be found. Crap. This sort of behavior is getting _very_ old. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] VIN Check Choices
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:26:40 -0600 Gary Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I'm back in the market for something for the youngest daughter to drive (to replace her totalled Civic). Anyone with experience in both Carfax and Autocheck have a preference? I'll probably be running at least 4 to 5 VINs through, so figured I might as well pop for a subscription to one or the other. Sorry, I don't have personal experience with either. My feeling (which came from who knows where) is that Carfax is the original and best. Kaleb, though, uses another service. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm iced up!
Yup - though I had to do that when I put the Olds V8 in the MGA. I keep hearing that drive shaft shops won't balance MB shafts - what if you asked them to balance each half separately - then it wouldn't matter how they are aligned when you assemble and install them. Getting the right gen head and associated connection circuitry is what I haven't figured out -- On Dec 11, 2007 9:35 PM, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:30:37 -0600 OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking that the 240D needs a NA 617 engine in front of the manual tranny, and the 616 engine needs to sit in front of a gen head, in the back yard. Good thinking! You'll have to change or modify the driveshaft, though. Craig -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1984 300DT
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:11:47 -0500 Timothy Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The bumper strip separating? That was happening on my '84 as previous owner had bumped something with bumper which allowed slack. The rubber bumper has a channel by which it slides onto to strips which retain it to the bumper. They had horizonal (molded) hooks which fit into slots on the bumper. I reattached mine by threading a piece of wire between the two strips at the center of the bumper and tightening it, pulling the two toward center so the hooks engaged the slots. Then I manipulated the bumper strip to center it. (It was a warm day and I lubed the channel). How's 'zat for technical talk, y'all? Not bad. :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
