Re: [Mpls] Integrating Commuter and Public School Transit?
--- Anne McCandless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of other cities where this is done and how well it works? In the 1980s some schoolkids rode the SEMTA (Southeastern Michigan Transit Authority) bus through the northern suburbs of Detroit. I remember it built a feeling of community between adults and kids, rather than segregating the kids on their separate yellow bus. I was single at the time and not particularly crazy about kids, but it was fun to see the kids come back in September and take note of how they had grown during the summer. As SEMTA routes decreased due to budget cuts, student ridership also decreased. Which is a shame, because I'm sure Detroit-area schools are facing the same if not worse budget crises as in Mpls. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell (and Detroit) Bruno, MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] City Hall stomps on one man's dream
Today's column by Doug Grow: www.startribune.com/stories/465/4183019.html Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] re: Comments on FBI investigation of Police Brutality in Minneapolis
Dyna, I feel your pain. Having thugs live on your block is no fun. Over the 11 years we lived in Folwell, we were regularly sleep deprived by a parade of next-door tenants who conducted screaming matches until 3 a.m. Complaints to the tenants were to no avail; complaints to the landlord (who lived in Minnetonka) always resulted in They pay their rent on time; and apparently no one on the block but us was bothered by the noise. I never wished them ill will, but instead felt bad for them, especially the children. One of the mothers, I suspect, was bipolar; she could be nice as pie one day, totally evil another. But. Most of the people on the block were good people. The problem arises when police see all residents of a particular neighborhood (or race) as thugs. Not all police do it. But enough do to justify the anger that Tamir is feeling. Dyna, are there ANY neighbors on your block with whom you can band together? Maybe there are, but unfortunately maybe there arent. According to the Jordan article in Sundays Strib, it sounds like even our Dennis Plante is having second thoughts. Wishing some east central Minnesota serenity upon Minneapolis, Susan Maricle Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Healing
If the internet had existed in 1967, the conversation on this list would have echoed the conversation in Detroit preceding the riots: anger, denial, contempt for the accusers and their defenders. Thank you Don Samuels for interjecting your words of healing. I have not been actively participating in this discussion because I don't have access to Twin Cities TV and haven't been able to see video clips. I would, however, like to say a word about the word alleged. We use it when we suits us and ignore it when we it doesn't suit our needs. There's also a tendency, in the Twin Cities and perhaps beyond, to say I can't say it happened if I wasn't there. Following that reasoning, the Holocaust didn't exist because we didn't see it, and Bill and Monica didn't do anything because we weren't in the White House. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] CUAPB calls for investigation of downtown jail
--- Dennis Plante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In light of this, to hear that his last arrest included being a felon in possession of a firearm doesn't sit well with me when trying to determine which version (of this recent accusation made by Philander) is the most credible. It doesn't appear he's learned anything from his past mistakes. SAM: Even if Jenkins is Public Enemy Number One with an IQ of 140, he doesnt deserve this alleged treatment. I can understand the cops frustration over catch and release criminals. But in no way does that excuse vigilante justice. If this story is true, Im afraid Minneapolis is going to pay through the nose. That possibility, if nothing else, should be enough to curb a rogue cop's righteous anger. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Lucille's likely to stay open
Don't know if anything was in the Star Tribune yet, but this was in the Pioneer Press: www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/6900688.htm Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Thank you, Susan!
Thank you everyone for coming yesterday! (Michelle and Peter, thanks for your kind notes.) It was gratifying to see that Lucille's was so busy. I saw a flyer posted that listed a man's name if you wanted to help Lucille's. Can anyone provide that name and phone number and post it on the list? Or send it to me offlist and I'll post it. Props to Peter for walking the walk and making a donation to Lucille's. Don't know how much it was, but Lucille herself came over to thank him. Other ways to help: order a meal, schedule a lunch party, spread the word to as many people as you can. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] See you at Lucille's!
It's today from 1 to 3. Looking forward to meeting everyone! Still a couple of open chairs left, if anyone has a last-minute change of plans. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Offlist gathering at Lucille's tomorrow!
It's Sunday, Sept. 28, from 1 to 3. Look for the purple balloons. We still have 3 spaces at the reserved table, so if you can make it please join us. (Let me know offlist if you can come.) I can check with Lucille's if we need more space, but they might not have available tables. Bring your appetites, bring takeout orders for your friends, and bring ideas on how Lucille's can stay open. Lunch will be buffet style and is $6.99. Payment is by cash or check, as their credit card processor is broken. The address: Lucille's Kitchen 2013 Plymouth Avenue North (just east of Penn Av N, on the south side of Plymouth) Minneapolis 612-529-3350 Thanks to everyone for the quick responses, Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Offlist gathering at Lucille's: final details
Good morning everyone: I made reservations for 10 people at Lucille's. There were six list confirmations and I wanted to leave a little wiggle room without hogging the entire place. Look for the purple balloons. Lunch will be buffet style and is $6.99. Payment is by cash or check, as their credit card processor is broken. Takeout dinners are available--I'll be bringing back some for soul-food-deprived friends in east central MN. In the meantime, contact anyone who can help by visiting Lucille's before it closes, donating, or telling others. I e-mailed Mike Erlandson, and also invited State Sen. Becky Lourey to the offlist gathering. The address: Lucille's Kitchen 2013 Plymouth Avenue North (just east of Penn Av N, on the south side of Plymouth) Minneapolis 612-529-3350 Here's hoping It's a Wonderful Life for Lucille's. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Offlist gathering at Lucille's: final details
Yike! All the details except date and time. Sunday, Sept. 28 1 to 3 pm Lucille's Kitchen 2013 Plymouth Avenue North (just east of Penn Av N, on the south side of Plymouth) Minneapolis 612-529-3350 I'll stay in touch with Lucille's to see what additional seating is available, in case we get more than 10 folks coming. Look for the purple balloons. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Lucille's Kitchen may succumb to debts
Eep. Having left the second link unopened in the List Manager's post, I didn't know that Sept. 30 was the last day that Lucille's rent is paid. (It didn't state the date in the article.) Never having organized one of these events, I don't feel comfortable doing it on such short notice. Would someone who has done it before be able to take the lead? But now that I've read the second link, and they are asking for ideas to keep Lucille's open, that's what I'll send them. Rent parties. Contacting the people whose photos adorn the wall. Contact sympathetic people. Say, Bill Clinton? I can picture him being a Lucille's devotee. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Lucille's
With a little encouragement from Mark Snyder, I decided I can arrange an offlist gathering at Lucille's. (If someone else has already taken the reins, please let the list know.) I will contact Lucille's at noon today to find out a date and then let the list know. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Lucille's offlist gathering is on! Need head count please
Okay! Here's the scoop: Sunday, Sept. 29 1-3 pm The lady I talked to would like to get a more accurate head count. (Understandable, so she doesn't reserve 40 seats and only 20 people show up-- every body counts.) Any chance we can get confirmations today? I'd like to contact her by end of day today. To avoid giving our list manager headaches, e-mail me offlist please. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] URGENT: head call needed for Lucille's
Given the tight timeline, I hope that David will give me special dispensation for a third post today. I need to give a final head count to Lucille's by 8 pm tonite. I don't want to leave anyone out, but I don't want to tie up their tables either, especially since they're about to go under. I know I'm not giving a lot of time; I'm sure Lucille's would appreciate more time, too. If the gathering is small and intimate, that's OK. (About 5 people so far.) I just wanted to put the word out there. Again: the gathering is at Lucille's, this Sunday, 1 to 3 pm. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Lucille's Kitchen may succumb to debts
I think the next offlist gathering should be held at Lucille's. I belonged to another online group and suggested the same thing, but people were afraid. I know this group wouldn't be... Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN -- List Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $30,000 in the red...make it community owned? http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/4115060.html David Brauer List manager REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Re: [Mpls] Thoughts on Titilayo Bediako's column
--- WizardMarks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: www.startribune.com/stories/1519/4105372.html [From Bediako's column] By writing about her hardships, Maynard also exposed the need for teachers to know the cultures of the students they teach. WM: This is the most important sentence in Titi's essay. SAM: This discussion reminds me of young Bryan Phillips' shooting in Tangletown-- when white cops bristled at the idea that black cops might have inroads in getting the crime solved. Maybe race matters, and maybe race doesn't matter. But I can tell you, cultural awareness definitely does matter. Not that acting a fool is part of anyone's culture. But kids tend to act the fool when they feel the teacher (or any other adult in authority) is out of touch. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Teacher's diary emphasized the negative
Editorial column by Titilayo Bediako in today's Star Tribune: www.startribune.com/stories/1519/4105372.html Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Thoughts on Titilayo Bediakos column
In reading Titilayo Bediakos column today at www.startribune.com/stories/1519/4105372.html I was struck by this thought: As I read it I thought, this is a person who doesn't need to be teaching -- for her, the negatives far outweigh the positives. It made me wonder: what percentage of the problem is the result of teachers who cant teach as opposed to kids who wont learn? Also: how many Minneapolis teachers are prepared to teach at-risk kids? Im not just talking academic qualifications, Im talking about the desire and ability to reach kids who are of a culture other than your own. I work with a gentleman who has spent the last 10 years counseling at-risk youth. He is a rare person who can listen, connect, yet establish boundaries. Yet he is equally gifted in working with no-risk kids. I submit that a teacher who teaches at-risk kids can teach no-risk kids, but not all teachers of no-risk kids can teach at-risk kids. Considering how many Minneapolis public school children receive free or reduced lunches, a good portion of its children are at risk. Poverty brings with it the risks of unmet medical needs, hunger, and households that are one catastrophe away from homelessness. I am not bringing this up to bash teachers. I know they work hard and have nonexistent budgets. Neither would I take the cavalier attitude of, If they dont like their job, they should find something else. However. They do need to be equipped with the skills to reach these children. If they are not getting those skills in college, they need them through inservices or a similar vehicle. I admire Ms. Bediako for writing this column. When I first read the original article I wondered what the Star-Tribunes motive was for publishing it. Like Ms. Bediako, I worried that it sent the wrong message to the state legislature: why throw good money after bad on kids who wont learn. An overwhelming number of people thought the column was a good thing. It takes courage and integrity to stand up as one person and say I dont agree. Susan Maricle Bruno MN formerly of Folwell __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Teen Center in Jordan Neighborhood?
--- Thomas T. Thai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The quoted statement from Councilman Samuels troubles me: I would like it if he sent me his resume, references. SAM: To me, CM Samuels is showing that he values the lives of the teens for whom this center is proposed. Once upon a time Wayne Williams offered African American teens in Atlanta the chance to become recording stars. If a concerned adult or official had stepped in, they may have seen that Williams' visions were bogus and multiple tragedies could have been avoided. This is not to say that Mr. Martin is comparable to Wayne Williams. I am saying, however, that a background check wouldn't hurt. If he has the teens' best interests at heart, he would probably agree. Decisions involving the youth of north Minneapolis deserve no less care or caution than they do in Eagan its environs. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] A possible fundraiser for schools
--- Peter T Schmitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do Minneapolis public schools allow pop and candy machines in their buildings in order to increase revenues? SAM: I can attest to all of the following at our school. I am trying to enact an alternative revenue stream that may be useful to Minneapolis schools too. It's called www.schoolcash.com. Make at purchase at one of 200 online retailers through the schoolcash portal and a percentage of your purchase price goes to the school of your choice. You're not buying crap like wrapping paper and popcorn tins, but you're buying stuff you need anyway. Vendors include J. Jill, Spiegel, Land's End...you can see the whole list at www.schoolcash.com. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Teaching Assignments
--- Dooley, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Governor Pawlenty is also looking at this issue: from today's STAR TRIBUNE http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/4080246.html SAM: I was very heartened by this article. I was especially impressed with the governor's eloquent encouragement for business leaders to plant some shade trees for posterity. I did, however, bristle a titch at the words best and brightest as if our current crop of teachers was devoid of the best and brightest. The other day on MPR I heard a feature about parents supporting Marcy School, which has been placed on the NCLB list. Rather than rising up in exodus, parents are rising up to unite and find out what they can do to improve things. It's heartening to see that parents are more than customers, a loathsome word used by the Mpls School Board to describe teachers (and I assume others, including parents, who have a stake in their school.) Changing schools isn't as effortless as going across the street because gas is two cents cheaper or going to Cub instead of Rainbow for a sale on Bing cherries. If you're invested your heart and mind in a school, pulling out ain't all that easy. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Star Tribune article
?? Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This forum exists not to talk about every issue important to Minneapolitans, but to local issues where local Minneapolis issues are prime. OK, here's a Mpls.-specific issue. Did anyone notice this story in yesterday's Strib? A third-year middle-school math teacher in Mpls. providing a Blackboard-Jungle-like account of her year? I had to wonder what the paper's motivation was for printing it. If the idea was to get policymakers to say, This is a troubled school, it needs more funding, I'm afraid the opposite reaction will instead be, This is a waste of a school, let's not throw good money after bad. Perhaps someone from the paper can enlighten us. You can find the article at www.startribune.com/stories/462/4067824.html Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Re: Is the Startribune still the Johannesburg Times?
I don't think the Star Tribune is any more or any less racist than any other major daily newspaper. Such publications hype articles that will generate water cooler talk, and hence, readership and sales. Unfortunately, people talk about race. (I always said that if O.J. had been accused of murdering his first wife, Marguerite, who was black, the only front-page coverage it would have received was in Jet Magazine.) So even if the Star-Tribune's motive isn't racist, the outcome often is. If the Strib was motivated by racism, I doubt that they would carry Syl Jones's column. Again, Jones is good for water-cooler talk and sales. I never heard of so many people who hate him who read him so regularly. Perhaps a better word than racist would be classist. Covering the candidacy of Mosely-Braun, Kucinich, or Sharpton would not only benefit people of color, but also white households who make less than $50,000. It's ironic, too-- the Strib is a great champion of the Wellstone legacy. I'm surprised they don't give more coverage to the candidacy of Kucinich, who is considered the closest to Wellstone in terms of populism. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno, MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Re: comment to (no subject)
How many white people here have talked a police officer out of giving them a traffic ticket? (I have, three times.) How many white people here have performed even two hours of community service in return for those forgiven offenses? (I haven't, for all three times.) How many black drivers successfully are able to talk police officers out of giving them traffic tickets? Some questions to consider. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno, MN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can we not, as a community or society, show mercy and be more concerned with punishing the murderer than the litterbug? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] What do you folks care about/hierarchy of needs
I'm a great believer in Maslow's hierarchy of needs--that a person must meet basic needs such as survival and shelter before meeting higher needs and becoming self-actualized. The same principle holds true with Mpls. neighborhoods: there is a hierarchy of needs. For some neighborhoods, the question is, How do I paint my trim without getting shot? And in other neighborhoods, the question is, What artistic creation can we make out of diseased trees? One neighborhood's need is survival; another neighborhood's need is loftier. Both needs are important to their neighborhoods. Like people, neighborhoods exist at different levels in the hierarchy. It may help to remember that when discussing issues. Have a good weekend everyone, Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno, MN where the up north for the weekend crowd goes to Canada __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] city web site; cops
--- Anne McCandless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone besides me find the City of Mpls web site the most screwed up mess on the internet? SAM: I took a look out of curiosity. The site is better than it used to be, but I would describe it as serviceable rather than exceptional. Web sites are like filing systems: one person's organizational system may make total sense to one person, and totally befuddles another person. I'm sure if list members make suggestions. R.T. will be reading and taking note. Speaking of R.T: I had to chuckle at yesterday's WCCO radio interview of R.T. and Sid Hartman. Sid buttering up R.T. in order to get a Mpls. stadium, R.T. buttering up Sid because he's a cultural institution. My cholesterol rose 20 points from all that butter. A word about cops: if cops are accused of not seeing community members as individuals, I suspect we community members don't always see cops as individuals. Yes, rogue cops exist. But to learn that Anne McCandless, a person whom I admire and respect, is a former cop makes me think twice before labeling. Her input, as well as Lt. Reinhardt's, is quite illuminating. Susan Maricle who uses the word cops under protest because I was brought up to believe it's a disrespectful word formerly of Folwell Bruno, MN . To learn that she is a former cop __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Crime and addiction
(response to thread entitled Senator Berglin's Crime) Ive been following this subject with interest, and wholeheartedly agree with Wizards assessment: Chemical addiction requires treatment, sometimes several treatments before the person treated finally gets all his/her ducks in order to choose life. Treatment/AA/NA/etc. can be done in prison. /wizard I work with folks who develop/create/market/sell treatment materials to corrections audiences. My colleagues dont work in a vacuum, but work closely with people within the corrections industry. Substance abuse is a factor in roughly 90% of crimes committed. As I understand it, the frontline corrections folks wholly understand that treatment works. The problem, IMHO, lies with policymakers who set budgets and who feel that any expense that isnt for punitive measures is being soft on crime. Now, I totally understand the need to answer to ones crimes. But the trouble is, these untreated offenders will eventually return to our streets and will continue to raise havoc--not just in the community, but to themselves. Another ideology embraced by corrections folks is cognitive behavior therapy: that crime is a thinking problem before it becomes a behavior problem. People who have created cognitive behavioral materials have commented on the similarity between our (our meaning mainstream society) thought patterns and criminal thought patterns. The difference is, we dont always act on our impulses, while others do act on the thought, He dissed me, he deserves to die. While my post may not be Minneapolis-specific, it does dovetail with the discussion about situations faced in Jordan, Phillips, and other impacted neighborhoods. If anyone would like more information, feel free to contact me offlist. Thats my take from the mean streets of Bruno. Hope everyone is staying cool. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Re: List Management, Racism
I think this post typifies the delicate balance of discussing race. If you don't talk about it, you're sweeping it under a rug. If you do talk about it, the suggestion is to take it offlist. Given my record of postings, I don't think Ms. Hoberg or anyone else can accuse me of being a venting white person. What I was doing was responding to someone else's experience, and suggested a way to respond without escalating the situation. However, the discussion of race is sputtering to a another halt for now, it will inevitably begin at another time, so I'll leave it to rest for now. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN --- Allysen Hoberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list (hopefully) is not just a venting place for white people. Without a true discussion of racism and power dymnamics in this city this thread should be done. I know that stats are not kept about the heritage of people who post to this list, but these posts are, I feel, not addressing racism in Minneapolis. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Gang, Drugs, Patrols, Ebonics, List Management, Racism
I've been extremely busy at work, which is why I haven't responded to any of the posts. But to respond in brief now: Humor can be a very difficult thing to convey in an e-mail, especially if the person reading it doesn't know you well. The originating post did fall flat, but not enough for me to respond to it, I must admit. Words can offend. I remember awhile back using the word nordeast and being chided, offlist and on, for using a word that some consider to be offensive. I do believe that the List Manager, excepting for his weak alibi of having a life g, would have addressed the originating post had he seen it. However, I also recognize the tendency of folks to dismiss claims of racial injustice when they arise. When allegations arise, there's inevitably the response Let's wait until all the facts come out or We've only heard one side of the story. But in the instance of, say, affirmative action, I've never heard Let's wait until all the facts come out. A person of color is accepted/hired/whatever simply because he/she is a person of color. Again, I'm not singling out Mpls. Issues, but I've heard this same argument in many other online and face-to-face discussions. As Don Samuels said in his recent MPR interview, race is a difficult thing to talk about. Especially when talk of the person's behavior intersects with talk of the person's race. That was the unintended case with the originating post, I suspect. I have enclosed the attachment, which Shawn Lewis originally provided to the list. (Thanks, Shawn.) That said, the most difficult things to talk can also be the most rewarding, which is why I hope the discussion continues. Whether R.T. shaves his own back or not doesn't concern me. Peace, Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com audio 2.php Description: audio 2.php
Re: [Mpls] Gang, Drugs, Patrols, Ebonics, List Management, Racism
--- Jim Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not racist to describe someone using their color as an adjective SAM: I've heard it both ways, it is and it isn't. I look at it this way. Say you're being tailgated by a white driver, then further up the road you're being tailgated by a black driver. If you refer to the first driver as an idiot and the second driver as a black idiot, that's an example of inconsistent and inappropriate use of race. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Gang, Drugs, Patrols, Ebonics, List Management, Racism
I had this conversation offlist, it occurred to me I should have it onlist too. Yes, calling someone a white bitch is racist. My husband had a good reply. When threatened and called White Boy, he shot back, That's MISTER White Boy to you. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN Like in my neighborhood, they call me a white bitch -- so that's racist, right? Connie Beckers -- \ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Urban Wildlife
This is more rural wildlife than urban wildlife, but one year my husband found a rooster in the middle of Nicollet in south Mpls. (A refugee from a cockfighting house, perhaps?) It took him 20 minutes to catch the bird with his jacket. He brought him home in the truck and we kept him in the old coal room for a week until Mike was able to bring him out to a farm run by his parents' friends. Chicken George has probably passed on by now but I hope he lived a happier life. Susan Maricle Bruno, MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Urban Wildlife
--- Jim MCGUIRE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have friends who have chickens in their backyard. They live in Longfellow and have had the chickens for 4 or 5 years now. SAM: That's wild! (No pun intended.) I didn't know that poultry were allowed to be kept in Mpls. But they're no noisier than some dogs in town I've heard... Susan Maricle Bruno, MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Say no to Big Bones: support your local rib joint
With the current conversation about Market Barbeque, Ribfest, old Minneapolis, and the Big Box discussion still going strong, the following observation came to mind: I would LOVE to see a Minneapolis locally-owned rib restaurant, such as AJs Smokehouse or Amos and Amos (if theyre still open), take first place at Ribfest. Cant see the allure of rib franchises. The cuisine is watered down to be palatable to the widest audience possible. Does anyone know how much it costs to enter Ribfest? I wonder if the cost is prohibitive for many independent restaurant owners. When a local restaurant has a fire or some other catastrophe, it doesnt always have the capital to reopen quicklyor at all. When it comes to rib joints, old Minneapolis may be as recent as five years ago. Two of my favorites were Art Songs Wings and Ribs on Broadway near James, and the sublime Ma Dears on Lyndale just south of Lowry. If Ribfest entry fees and expenses are prohibitive for local restaurant owners, perhaps a fundraiser could be held so they could take their rightful place as the makers of the best ribs in the Twin Cities. For a City Pages article on AJs Smokehouse: www.citypages.com/databank/24/1155/article11018.asp Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Jonesin' for good ribs in Bruno, MN __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Austerity Forever
Check out the City Pages cover story on Linda Berglin, DFL-Mpls. www.citypages.com/databank/24/1178/article11353.asp Susan Maricle Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Big Boxes, north Mpls., and Overcoming (was Where do you buy)
--- Mark Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, the local models everyone likes to point to are Grand Ave. in St. Paul, Eat Street in south Minneapolis and more recently, Central Ave. NE. SAM: Mark, what you are describing is what Penn and Lowry was in the 1990s. Can anyone on the list update me as to what development (if any) is happening--or is it still a bare green strip? And why has it been for so long? At one time Penn had a bakery (Mr.Frank's), a florist, and a shoe repair/tailor. I walked to all these stores for my wedding and shopped regularly at them afterward. Mr. Frank's closed when the Penn Best Steak House next door burned down, and the bakery's insurance premiums were so high that the owner chose to retire early. Brooklyn Shoe Repair closed when the owner moved to Chicago. Anyone know what happened to Nancy's Flower Shoppe? Mark, I admire you for your convictions, and if your posts have convinced one or two or several people here that they too can and should follow your shopping habits, you can and should feel proud. But at times the tenor of this discussion has reminded me of the prolifers who harass women entering Planned Parenthood clinics. Please realize that not everyone can afford the purchases that you can and make the same choices that you can. I too was flush with disposable income 15 years ago. After several downsizings in the 90s there were times our family was living on less than $50 a week. (I am not complaining or saying poor me. In fact, I enjoyed the challenge, like surviving in the woods with nothing but a stick and a piece of string.) So when people don't buy organic cotton or $9 coffee, it's not that they don't care about the world and its workers. Many people simply can't afford it. No one is saying that Big Box alone will revive north Mpls. What will revive north Mpls. is a diverse economy of living-wage jobs. I was astounded to read that there was once a defense plant, Onan, where the farmer's market is now. (The book was Overcoming, the autobiography of Harry Davis, which a list member recommended a few months ago.) Besides his amazing drive, another thing that contributed to Davis's success was locally based, independent business owners taking an interest in him. In the 1940s Davis was refused service at a Mpls. bar. His employer, outraged that a valued employee and good person would be so disrespected, filed a suit. When Davis and others were laid off after World War II, he was hired on at Broadway Motors (which Dyna has spoken of) while the head honchos at Onan tried to find a place for him (which they did--the suit and tie job Davis had always dreamed of.) Dyna or anyone: what happened to Onan Industries? In this age of acquisitions of local companies by out-of-state corporations, there are fewer and fewer employers who have the ability and desire to advocate for their employees. What can be done to get north Mpls. to where it once was? Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Jerry's Foods to buy north-side Target
--- David Shove [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ditto. My sentiments exactly. Far better to have many diverse small businesses and co-ops, than a few (often heavily taxpayer-subsidized) same old same old faceless dull chain big boxes. SAM: I can appreciate the sentiments here. But a good portion of residents who live near the new Cub, I suspect, value convenience and quality more than aesthetics. We shopped at Jerry's New Market across the street from Target until the atrocious quality and prices of its goods drove us off. After that we shopped at the Robbinsdale Rainbow or the Crystal Cub. If I'm going to shop at Cub, I'd rather shop at a Minneapolis location than a Crystal location. I realize that not every north Minneapolis family is a single mom with 3 kids and no car. But convenience is a big draw. The neighborhood does feature small stores: dirty, plexiglassed, overpriced stores with outdated merchandise. A Cub where you can get fresh produce and reasonably priced groceries will be a boon to this neighborhood. Jerry's New Market across the street is in need of a competitive kick in the pants. But I do worry about the incoming African-American-owned market. Hopefully it will be proof that individual owners and big boxes can co-exist. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Where do you buy your groceries, vcr, fridge, computer cd's, etc?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a single person, I don't need a Cub Foods --matter of fact, I spend more when I go in a big store like that. But I now see the viability through this discussion for something competitive and easy access for those without transportation. While I won't shop there, I hope it serves the community well. SAM: I'm sure it will. I remember talking to our next-door neighbor who had five kids and $1 in the house until her next check came. We sent over a shopping bag filled with venison so they had some meals. The need for economical groceries, and economical living in general, will be even greater when the state's budget cuts are realized. Two posts and out, Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Of toilet paper, toothpaste, and Target options
While colorful, cool stores like at Mercado would be appealing, northsiders need a place to buy their toilet paper and toothpaste and other essentials they got at Target. Not everyone has the means to drive to Crystal or to another location. Another store similar to Target would be a good option for Broadway. But since Wal-Mart is repugnant to so many people, I give it a snowballs chance. (Yes, I read Nickel and Dimed, and its why I try to be extra patient and courteous with the employees there.) Other options for the Broadway site: A Burlington Coat Factory: whenever I come down to the Cities I make this store one of my stops. (Theres one in St. Louis Park.) You pay discount prices for quality merchandise, such as J.Jill womens apparel. What I especially appreciate is their selection of plus-size womens apparel and their suits for preschool and grade school boys. (Great quality and style, reasonable prices.) Thats one of my beefs with Target: foofy dresses galore for girls, but nothing for boys outside of licensed-character casual duds. A Petters Warehouse: again, another store that sells quality merchandise at discount prices. At the Forest Lake store I bought a pair of leather tennis shoes for $10 and other bargains too numerous to mention. Plus, its Minnesota-owned. Fleet Farm would also be a possibility. The Brooklyn Park store is on the cusp of a exploding NW sector and wouldnt take a serious hit. (Plus, Fleet Farm carries the requisite toilet paper, toothpaste, and other essentials.) It seems like the best bargain-priced stores are in communities that need them the least. A store like any of the above would be a boon for north Minneapolis. Yes, families of means are moving in. But theres still a considerable population on the north side for whom cost-cutting is a necessity, not a luxury. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Trolling vs. disagreeing
I've been busy at work and haven't had the time or energy to do more than lurk on this discussion. While I disagree to the nth degree with N.I. Krasnow, I have to admit I don't see how what he's doing is trolling. (N.I., I assume you're a male-- if I'm wrong, my apologies.) So far he hasn't done anything that is against list rules. And I don't see one of the list rules as being You must agree with the majority. Ignoring dissimilar mindsets and assuming they'll go away is how people who we DON'T agree with get into power. Like it or not, there are people in Mpls. who agree with N.I., some of whom may be in our own families. I doubt that he will change anyone's mind, nor will anyone here won't change his. Maybe a more constructive use of energy would be to contact your state representative and advocate establishing the police residency rule. Contacting your CM. Contacting R.T. Contacting somebody who has influence. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Unpaid internships
In response to the city's call for businesses to hire teens this summer, I had suggested hiring unpaid interns. Someone had contacted me offlist, questioning the value of an unpaid job. Since then I have found out more about internships and would like to elaborate. An unpaid intern is not totally out in the cold. If the school has an internship program, the student will get class credits and in some cases an hourly wage paid by the school. If the school doesn't have such a program, the intern doesn't get a paycheck but perks are still possible. At my workplace in particular, interns get free meals and free access to corporate health faciilties. Also, an internship might only involve two days a week, leaving the student time to pursue paying jobs. Even more importantly, though, the intern gets a foot in the door to the old boy or old girl network. We all have friends who we inform about job openings before jobs are available. If a young person is privy to that information, and logs actual work experience at a big-name company on his or her resume, that experience will make the intern stand out among a crowded field of job candidates. I still remember the first employer who took a chance on me, and said I was hired because mine was the only letter without spelling errors. We all have the ability to give a young person that step up. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Re: Startribune.com registration
It is a drag, having to register. But at least the Strib isn't charging to access content (yet). Salon.com has created a two-tier news caste structure with Salon Premium. There are some things you can access as a nonmember, but others you can see only if you're a paying member. I can see it now: Osama Bin Laden captured! West Nile cure found! For more information, subscribe to Salon Premium! I wonder how this will affect Strib articles being forwarded on this list. As a Salon Premium subscriber (temporarily) I was unable to forward Garrison Keillor's Norm Coleman column to nonsubscribers. I did, however, take great pleasure in cutting-n-pasting, then forwarding this for-pay article, for free. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Target says it has 2 offers for its N Mpls store
A sketchy article, but one that leads the front page on Star Tribune Online: startribune.com/stories/535/3917012.html Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN (I think this was my second post; if it was my third, my apologies David) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Northside Target- a Postmortem
--- Anne McCandless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Target says it is closing the store because it's losing money SAM: Is Target losing money, or not making as much money as it would like? What irks me is, with Targets obsession for branding, I wouldnt be surprised if theyre doing consumer profiling. This is a practice that many retailers use. They create a fictitious customer-give her a name, occupation, an entire life historyand market exclusively to her. An example, Victoria, age 45 to 55, enjoys tennis, yoga, her kids are in college, she enjoys healthy foods but indulges in coffee shops, and vacations in Europe once a year. I suspect the name LaKeisha or Chaou or Vanessa or Dyna for that matter is low on Targets list of desired customers. What the north side needs is a retailer who recognizes the value of the urban retail audience. People of color buy toilet paper and toothpaste and motor oil like everyone else. But they also buy beauty products and food items that you wont find in your average suburban Target. Mingo-Jones is a successful ad agency that markets specifically to African Americans. Numerous direct mail agencies target Latino audiences. Movie producers finally realized that blacks attend movies with the success of Waiting to Exhale. Minorities are going to be the majority. When is a retailer going to realize that and capitalize on it? Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Northside Target- a Postmortem
--- Anne McCandless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The majority of people living in North Mpls are white. I hear what you're saying, but if you go in this store, these people don't seem to know what white folks need and want either. People aren't shopping there because it isn't up to par with their other stores. SAM: I hear what you're saying, Anne. I agree, the majority population of north Mpls. is white, but the majority's perception of north Mpls. is nonwhite. Just like on the east side of Detroit, where Target is closing another store. (Thanks to Michelle Gross for posting it...I seldom look at the business section of the Freep.) I had to chuckle because the Target spokesperson used the same words she used about the Broadway Target, closing a store is something they don't take lightly. Except when the stores are in darkly colored communities? Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] A Broadway renaissance; living well is the best revenge
I've been reading about the future possibility of a revitalized Broadway Avenue, what with the river development project in the works. It would be sweet for that to happen, with the new retailer (even if it's Wal-Mart) cleaning up in Target's place, and Target out in the cold, thinking about what coulda been. Living well is the best revenge. I remember the reluctance to let McDonald's set up shop again after they closed the Plymouth/Penn location. North Minneapolitans have a long memory. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] A Broadway renaissance; living well is the best revenge
--- Dyna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dream on... the river development is DOA. The Target site will sit boarded and empty for a decade or so before it gets torn down. SAM: I have to disagree. I don't know when the upswing will happen, but it will happen. A similar thing is happening in Detroit. People are moving back to Detroit proper because there are no affordable suburbs left. Birmingham, Royal Oak, Berkley, Ferndale--all were once-downscale suburbs that became hip, and consequently, pricey. The further south you went, the closer to Detroit you go. After Ferndale, there's no place to go but Detroit. Similarly, in the Twin Cities people are priced out of Uptown, Linden Hills, and now Nordeast (sorry, Northeast). Eventually, there will be nowhere to go but north Minneapolis. Of course, someday is of little comfort to the current and longtime northside residents who need solutions now. Dyna: Yep... we want our water tower in Farview Park back for a start, then Sweigart's Meats and the Union Depot. SAM: Has there ever been a Mpls. mayor from the northside? Even if mayors are 100% objective, they can't help but be most in tune with their neighborhood of origin and that neighborhood's needs. I see that Mark Stenglein Is thinking of running. John Derus ran, albeit unsuccessfully. What about Olin? Being mayor of an entire city seems like a better use of his clout than being CM of one ward. Thoughts, Dyna or anyone else? Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] deferred loans, Urban Support...etc
--- gemgram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen a recent Laotian immigrant shoveling snow with a dust pan and an Ecuadorian immigrant cutting grass with a knife. In each case I immediately went to their assistance. If they had not shown they cared that much I probably would have called the inspector instead. SAM: This reminded me of an Asian immigrant we saw several years ago, dumping motor oil down a sewer. Our first instinct was to call the inspector. But perhaps it wasn't malice...perhaps he simply didn't know how to dispose of used oil. And we didn't take the time to find out. Good for you, Jim, for taking the time. There was a Mexican-born family on our block who had three young boys my son's age. Our kids loved to play together. Meanwhile, we parents would attempt our limited Spanish and limited English, shrugging and grinning foolishly. It didn't stop them from inviting us to a birthday party, or us from accepting. I still remember how once my son fell off his bike and the father rushed out to help him up. I also remember when the mother asked me why we only had one child. It wasn't the annoying question you get from friends who need to mind their own business. It was a sincere question from a woman whose culture cherishes large families. Some people scoff at diversity, but it's one of the things I miss about the city. People don't always like to step out of their comfort zone and not have all the answers. But it does a body good to shrug, grin foolishly, and keep on trying. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] R.T. on NBC Nightly News!
My husband was watching Tom Brokaw in the other room and called out, R.T.'s on the national news! It was a feature on the financial crunch cities are facing due to state budget cuts, and R.T. was interviewed. (That heat wave you now feel is Pawlenty doing a slow burn.) Anyone know how this news feature came to fruition? Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. 2. If you don't like what's being discussed here, don't complain - change the subject (Mpls-specific, of course.) Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] South Mpls State Rep. Walker receives letter as Walker-Black
--- Shawn Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Anderson, Lindner's lawyer, said he apologized to Walker for getting her name wrong and said it was a simple mistake. I can tell you that the person typing the letter apparently looked at the file and put the words together wrong, he said. SAM: That makes me wonder about Lindner's file and why the word black was in it. A related question: does anyone know what Gregory Gray's plans are for state politics? Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Bicycle registration
--- Jim MCGUIRE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The state still has a voluntary registration system. I believe the U of M may still have mandatory registration on campus. SAM: If bicycles are indeed vehicles, they should be registered as are any other vehicles in the state. Registration fees could help balance the budget deficit, unless administrative fees would make the monies collected a wash. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno, MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://platinum.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] re: Mediation Fails...The Struggle Continues
Vanessa: I too am sorry to hear about what happened to
you and your husband.
--- Tamir Nolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As long as Olson remains, (and for that matter as long
as Barb Johnson remains) there will no serious,
successful attempt to reconcile differences between
police and community.
SAM:
Who in the Fourth Ward {if that's what it still is}
can receive a groundswell of support to run against
her, shock the system, and win? Barb Johnson is
related by marriage to the Rainvilles, and I'm sure
there's a Rainville In Waiting to take her position
if/when she steps down. Any suggestions? Jonathan
Palmer, maybe?
Susan Maricle
formerly of Folwell
Bruno, MN
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Re: [Mpls] re: Mediation Fails...The Struggle Continues
Thank you to the offline posters who pointed out my mistake, that Barb Johnson is a Rainville by birth, not by marriage. Now let's use some of that energy and effort to finding a replacement candidate... Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno, MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Some possible explanations
--- Chris Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug Grow's column in the Star Tribune today (Thursday, March 27 -- http://www.startribune.com/stories/465/3784575.html) provides the answers to two questions that may have been floating around in the minds of people on this list and elsewhere: SAM: I winced when I read this column. (Doug Grow is really on a tear these days.) Just as counties are telling the state they are spending as responsibly as they can and have no room to cut, along comes the news of this boondoggle. Feh. Susan Maricle Bruno, MN formerly of Folwell __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Mpls: the next Toledo?
Doug Grow gives good snark to Dan McElroy in Sunday's column, in case anyone missed it: www.startribune.com/stories/465/3773511.html Susan Maricle Bruno MN formerly of Folwell __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] School Walk outs
I have to admit, I'm very conflicted on this issue.
Maybe because I'm looking from the myopic viewpoint
that my son is in kindergarten and I don't see the
relevance yet.
I agree that this is an issue that children should be
concerned about for many reasons, one of which is
they're the ones who will be paying for Bush's war.
I understand their concern about children being
bombed, that the same thing could happen to them.
Would a better strategy, then, be for the kids to
amass food, medicine, toys, and other aid for the
Iraqi children? {Maybe this is already happening.}
I agree there will be kids who take part in protests
because it's cool and it's a way to get publicity.
Much like the jive-talkin' interviewee who always
seems to get interviewed on the 10 pm news and casts a
bad light on all neighborhood residents,
an interview with one clueless student casts a bad
light on the ones who are committed and informed.
There was a walkout recently at our local school over
the suspension of a favorite teacher. There, I see the
direct correlation between cause and walkout. Here, I
don't. But the more I read the thoughtful postings on
this list, the less conflicted I become. I appreciate
the dialogue and the ideals that fuel it.
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Re: [Mpls] Re: Wellstone's Memorial.
A related note on the subject of Paul Wellstone and a
Minneapolis business owner:
Tom Sengupta, the owner of Schneider Drug in Mpls.,
was an avid supporter of Wellstone, and of affordable
health care in general. {His store is on University
Avenue SE, across from the KSTP building...I'm not
sure which Mpls. neighborhood this is.}
Tom is a quiet, industrious, Indian-born man who has
owned the store since the 1960s. When visiting
politicians would ask Wellstone about healthcare
issues in MN, Paul would tell them, You gotta talk to
Tom. Once Bill Bradley telephoned Tom, who, business
as usual, had to put Bradley on hold to take a
customer's call. Strib columnist Doug Grow once wrote
about Tom's store, which is the site of monthly
political discussions. {Steve Brandt, can you provide
a link?)
A few years ago I had to get an after-hours
prescription, so I got it at the Broadway Target. The
Target pharmacist looked at the empty Scheider Drug
bottle I brought and asked, Schneider Drug...are they
still open? Later I mentioned this to Tom. He said,
You tell Target we're still open and we're going to
be here for a long time. It was one of the few times
I've heard fire in this gentle man's voice.
On any day you will see signs promoting affordable
heath care in the front window of Scheider Drug.
As of late, there is an additional sign, one of those
crawling-message signs with a message that reads, We
remember Paul Wellstone.
If anyone who lives in the area wants to support
Wellstone's memory, as well as an independent business
owner, visit Schneider Drug. I have my monthly
maintenance prescriptions mailed from there, so you
don't even have to live in the area.
Susan Maricle
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Re: [Mpls] Graffiti; Security;Library
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've aquired the graffiti remover for free from the local fire station. I think they still provide it. I hope the free graffiti remover won't become a casualty of the fire department budget cuts... Two posts and out, Susan Maricle Bruno MN formerly of Folwell __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Would this idea work for the Mpls. library?
The Sandstone branch of the East Central library is having a Sandstone Antiques Roadshow next week. For two hours, an appraiser will inspect one antique per customer. There's no fee, so it's not raising revenue for the library, but it is generating a lot of interest and excitement. A board of Friends of the Library came up with this idea. Would such an idea work for Mpls, perhaps in a regional library? Would customers be willing to pay a fee? If not, would the excitement be enough to raise interest and awareness? Susan Maricle Bruno, MN formerly of Folwell Libraries will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no libraries. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] SW Mpls Honda Thefts
--- Dooley, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WCCO-TV reported this evening that 11 Hondas have been stolen in Southwest Minneapolis over the last three days. My sympathies to Bill and those who lost their cars. Someone tried to steal my junker of a Mazda a few years ago. I discovered it when I started the car, reached to flip on the windshield wiper, and the wiper signal wasn't there. Even in a north Mpls. neighborhood, I had felt it was a safe neighborhood and my car was junky enough to leave unlocked. It's unsettling when your safety zone changes. And I suppose crimes like these will be low priority when police cuts happen. On another note: Just turned on the Today show and Paul Magers was anchoring! And it wasn't even the regional segment! When did that happen?? Susan Maricle Bruno MN formerly of Folwell __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] My first apartment.
--- Erik Riese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so grateful to whoever started this thread, it really shows a snapshot of our community. SAM: I think it was Craig Miller. Probably didn't know what you were starting, didja Craig? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Affordable housing and mass transit
{From My First Apartment}
There have been some great observations here, and
telling ones too, for anyone who asks Why can't
people make it anymore? People have pointed out the
cost of health insurance then and now, the loss of
manufacturing jobs, the benefits of mass transit.
Wages were lower then, but the purchasing power of the
dollar was higher.
Mass transit was key in my ability to live cheaply.
Detroit had a fairly good bus system, and I didn't buy
my first car until three years after graduation.
What's more, back in the day, there were more jobs in
downtown Detroit and fewer jobs in the far-flung
suburbs. Can we say the same for downtown MInneapolis,
or any downtown for that matter?
For the first 10 years I lived in Minneapolis, I
failed to comprehend its downtown, simply because I
traveled there only by car. By comparison, I navigated
downtown Detroit by bus and by foot, and as a result
knew every building on every block. Mass transit
allows you to be more observant, IMHO, resulting in a
more intimate knowledge of the city. You don't have to
worry what pedestrians are doing or that doofus behind
the wheel in front of you. Instead, you can devote all
your attention to spotting the third, second, and
first block before your stop. In my 11th year, I
finally learned downtown Mpls. because of weekend
daytrips by bus I'd take with my little boy.
If Minneapolis brings boardinghouses back into the
equation for affordable housing, mass transit needs to
be factored in as well.
Susan Maricle
Bruno, MN
formerly of Folwell and Detroit
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Re: [Mpls] Affordable Housing - Other Ideas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] asks: Why so many people with out stable housing? That is a great question with a long answer. SAM here: Here's a guess: spotty credit reports and rental histories, inability to come up with move-in expenses. Craig says: Get a roommate, bump up to a 2br, and the savings are readily apparent. Savings of almost $300 per month. Take that times 36 months and you have $10,800. SAM here: I agree. I also feel that not everyone has the living skills to live with a roommate. When we rented to two single women they were regularly calling the police to settle their conflicts. When I volunteered with People Serving People I received a hysterical call at midnight from a woman whose roommate had thrown her out. As for Vicky's meticulous post about how much a minimum-wage worker can afford, those calculations are based on a perfect world: no catastrophic illnesses, no transmission overhauls, not one unforeseen expense. One such expense can send me into a tailspin, and I'm not a minimum-wage worker. I am not making excuses for why people are unable to find housing, just pointing out reasons why since people are asking why. A good book to read is Nickel and Dimed by Barbara Ehrenreich. Susan Maricle another former rental property owner in Folwell now of Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] My First Apartment
My first apartment was in 1978, an off-campus efficiency apartment in Detroit and my rent was $125.00. I worked part-time at the student newspaper. Dont remember what I earned, but it wasnt much, maybe $80, with temp work in the summer. I do remember that I had two huge advantages: fairly good savings (which not everyone has) and Social Security payments for college since I had a retired parent (which no one has today). Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell [and Detroit} Bruno, MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Walk a Mile in My Shoes: a city/state challenge
I mentioned this MPR feature yesterday {and found a
link today} as something that the state government
needs. Here's a Mpls. City Council challenge: present
the idea to state elected officials so they can see
the results that St. Louis County officials saw.
Susan Maricle
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formerly of Folwell
news.mpr.org/features/2003/01/27_hemphills_poorwalk/
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[Mpls] I had to read it twice
My God, I didnt think that anyone still believed in
this tired old stereotype.
From a Star Tribune article about the hit that human
services is going to take from Pawlentys budget cuts,
a hit that will significantly affect Minneapolis:
snip
Among the welfare changes would be a limit on the
amount a woman could receive, even if she gives birth
again. The idea is to discourage further pregnancies.
Currently, a woman who has a second baby would have
her welfare check increase from $437 to $532 a month.
/snip/
I seriously doubt this move is going to make
low-income adults say, Wait a minute, dear, wed
better not, I wont get a bigger check. However, life
skills or family planning for low-income families are
written off as pork. So whats the next step? Forced
sterilization? Or just punish the kids for the bad
judgement/mistakes of the parents?
MPR described a partnership called Walk a Mile in
Their Shoes about politicians who partnered up with
low-income families to experience how they lived.
{Unfortunately, I couldnt find a link on MPR, but it
was during their recent series Falling Behind.} Tim
Pawlenty is in serious need of walking a mile in
somebodys thrift-store shoes. He seems to equate
low-income people with baby-making, check-collecting,
bacon-rind-chawing deadbeats.
The URL of the article:
www.startribune.com/stories/462/3661567.html
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RE: [Mpls] humble restaurants, north side
If any south-side greasy-spoon lovers are willing to
venture to the north side, the Top Diner {on Lyndale
near 44th} is one of the best. No atmosphere at
all--ripped vinyl-upholstered stools, beat-up Formica
tables-- but the breakfasts as bountiful as they are
cheap. Its busiest time {so I've heard} is from 2 to 6
am, after the bars close and folks still want to
socialize--but want more substantial fare than
Perkins. Cops eat at the Top, too.
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[Mpls] Johnson Street
Johnson Street was one of my favorite streets in
Minneapolis. Trendy and eclectic, but with blue-collar
roots. I was saddened to hear about the death of a
cashier at the Stop-and-Go, which I had shopped at a
couple of times. And absolutely shocked to hear that
Nan's, a restaurant at Johnson and 28th {or 29th, I'm
not sure} is closing! {I heard the news on a Talk
thread on Star Tribune Online.}
I thought Nan's was a thriving restaurant in a
thriving neighborhood. Does anyone know what is going
on? Did the road construction put too much of a dent
in business?
Susan Maricle
Bruno, MN
formerly of Folwell
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Re: [Mpls] No Longer the Giveaway County Board
--- steven meldahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Unfortunately, most of the landlords that take
section 8 have dated buildings with little or no
amenities. They charge more rent than the regular
landlord
SAM:
I'm sure that answering more service calls is a big
part of the price equation. But when I was the mom
of a mom/pop landlord operation, I heard another
reason why section 8 rents were higher. Don't know how
widespread, or anecdotal, it is.
Apparently section 8 pays for a portion of the
renter's rent. {Say it's 70 percent, for example.} We
knew two landlords who said they never received the
remaining 30% from the renters. So they artificially
jacked their rents up 30% so that when they received
their 70% and no more, they were actually receiving
100% of their rent.
Understandably, no one likes to lose money. But as a
result, housing funds were being drained that much
quicker and surrounding rents were skewing higher
because of this artificial inflation.
Housing vouchers were talked about at one time, but
some renters objected to them--they were being treated
as irresponsible children. I wonder if vouchers need
to be relooked at. They'd be guaranteed rent payment
AND guaranteed rent income.
Susan Maricle
Bruno, MN
formerly of Folwell
Who never realized the pitfalls of owning one rental
property unit until she played Monopoly
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[Mpls] A suggestion
Somebody online mentioned awhile back that the City of
Minneapolis doesn't have a grantwriter, and how
appalling this is. {I agree--it is.} With Olin Moore's
knowledge of the federal government, this sounds like
a position where he'd shine. I'm not sure how this
would stack up to his current position, monetarily or
otherwise, but it's a thought.
From what I've heard in my own job, grant funds are
out there...you just have to know which maze tunnels
to follow to find the cheese.
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RE: [Mpls] County Board/Black History Exhibit
And I thought that Duluth {50 miles away} was the only
place that's still squirrelly about the lynchings.
Even though they are starting to address it with
marches for unity, albeit sparsely attended ones.
What is Opat's reasoning against the image? It makes
him uncomfortable? The fear it will bring upon
depression, or insurrection, among Twin Cities African
Americans? I would venture that the image is already
there, the depth of its subconscious varying depending
upon the person, regardless of the month.
I wonder how many Twin Cities children who are taught
about down-South antebellum lynchings in social
studies are even aware of the 1920s Duluth lynchings.
What would be worse, finding out about it or not
finding out about it until years from now.
A few years ago I saw a musical, I think at the
Illusion Theater, called Duluth. There were
high-spirited numbers by the young African-American
men as they gambled, wire-tense numbers by the young
white men looking for trouble, plus steamy and
provocative numbers by young fairgoers engulfed in the
summer heat. It was a bizarre feeling of being
entertained, yet knowing a horrific ending was going
to happen. An amazing production. I wonder if Mike
Opat saw it.
Two posts and out,
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formerly of Folwell
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[Mpls] People all over the ward, join in
Congratulations to Don Samuels, and congratulations to the volunteers--Don couldnt have gotten there without you. As a downpour starts with one raindrop, an outpouring of support starts with one person saying, Hey, this can happen. One of the most memorable ideas Don expressed was community of spirit, that a community can be of one mind and many locations. In a political culture permeated by soundbites, it was thrilling to hear words of originality and substance and inspiration. Congratulations to Olin Moore, who conducted himself with decorum and who will definitely be a presence in future elections thanks to his supporters. Congratulations also to him and his wife on their expected twins. I enjoyed meeting the faces behind the posts and names on the list. Hope youre getting a lot of sleep now because the work is just beginning... Tired but happy in Bruno, MN Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] 3rd Ward Politics
--- Jim Mork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, Mr. Samuels disturbs me in another way. He
says that drugs are sold by gangs and gangs fight for
turf, and that innocents get harmed. Fine. But WHAT
does drug dealing have to do with this??
/jim/
I didn't attend the truth in taxation meeting, nor do
I live in Mpls, but I'd like to offer an observation:
In the 1990s I regularly saw a dentist who was on Penn
just north of Broadway. One day when I was in the
chair I commented on how great it was that he was in
the neighborhood. There was an embarrassed pause, then
he said they were moving out soon.
I expressed dismay, then the hygienist quickly jumped
in, using words like, You don't know what it's like
around here, guys hang around in the front of the
building and you should hear the language and people
are afraid to come in. {I would have said, I DO know
what it's like and I came in anyway, but the novocain
was kicking in.}
To me, that's the connection between drugs and small
businesses. You get rid of the drugs, you get rid of
the dealers claiming their turf, the Third Ward
becomes more attractive to small businesses, the
result is more job opportunities, the optimum result
you have more folks working and less folks hanging
out.
Maybe those guys in front of the dentist's office
weren't selling drugs, maybe they were. Whatever the
case, they were perceived as a threat by a small
business. And the innocents who got harmed were the
people in the neighborhood who lost a dentist, not to
mention the city's loss of tax revenue.
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Re: [Mpls] A favor to ask: can you forward?
Jim: I accidentally hit reply instead of reply all on your Third Ward message about small businesses/drugs. Would you be able to forward it to the list? If not, no biggie, I just wanted to know where I am on my daily ration of posts. Thank you! SAM __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Gordon Parks, north Mpls., and Pope's
I recently read A Choice of Weapons, the
autobiography of Gorden Parks, the African-American
photographer/composer/author/movie director. {Id read
his novel The Learning Tree as a teenager, and never
realized how autobioraphical it was--its about a
young African American teenager coming of age in 1920s
Kansas.}
As did his fictional character Newt Winger in The
Learning Tree, Parks moved from Kansas to Minnesota
after his mother died in the 1920s. He moved to St.
Paul with to live with his sister and relucant
brother-in-law, who eventually threw Parks out. Parks
then began a hand-to-mouth life on the streets,
beginning in north Mpls. {Here, David, is the
Minneapolis connection.} He was hired as a piano
player at an after-hours joint called Popes, which he
describes in his book as a four-story ramshackle
house in the night-life district. His chapter on
Popes concludes with:
My job at Popes ended abruptly at the dawn of the
new year. Someone plunged a butcher knife through a
customers neck and pushed him three stories down into
the alley. As the police arrived, I escaped through a
rear exit. Running out, I saw the bloody corpse
sprawled in the snow; his face looked very young.
Common sense, and panic, told me to quit north
Minneapoliss north side as soon as possible.
I include the grisly details because theyre part of
my question: do any north Minneapolis historians know
where Popes was? The three stories down into the
alley passage makes me think of a building that might
be on Broadway or Penn, but for all I know, the
building that was Popes may now be the site of a
fast-food restaurant.
Its not often that north Minneapolis gets mentioned
in books. I found the history to be very interesting.
Ive tried looking for information on the internet,
but all I can find is news about the Popes visit to
Minneapolis...not quite the same thing.
Susan Maricle
formerly of Folwell
Bruno, MN
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[Mpls] City Pages raves over north Mpls. restaurant
Good to see a restaurant on Lowry get its due: www.citypages.com/databank/24/1155/article11018.asp Missing soul food in east central Minnesota, Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com TEMPORARY REMINDER: 1. Send all posts in plain-text format. 2. Cut as much of the post you're responding to as possible. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] City workers confiscate anti-war signs (Was: Iraq isn't Saudi Arabia)
I wonder what will be the outcome when the workers are identified. Loss of job? Lawsuit? They would and should face consequences even if all they had stolen was a lawn flamingo. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN --- List Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As it turns out, city officials confirm that (so far unidentified) city workers confiscated Say No to War with Iraq signs on West River Parkway ... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE:[Mpls] Homeless shelters
--- V.L. Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At any time we are all just a step away from needing or getting help, due to a loss so great, which can cause us to lose everything, everything you own. SM This is especially true in the aftermath of 9/11. There was an article in the Strib recently about the rise of foreclosures of homes in affluent suburbs. The article: www.startribune.com/stories/417/3560407.html We are all one just catastrophe away from insolvency. The only difference is the size of catastrophe needed. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno, MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Forwarded from Eric Eskola
I received this yesterday, and wanted to share it with the list. Susan, First, thanks for listening. Rochelle Olson passed along your message. I checked last week's scripts and I certainly did read a story that mentioned only northeast Minneapolis. In my meager defense, I didn't write the story and didn't pre-read it carefully before I read it on the air. In the follow up stories that I did write on Tuesday...I specifically mentioned north Minneapolis in the copy. I've instructed my colleagues to remember north Minneapolis in future 3rd Ward stories and I'll try to check the copy in advance from now on. Thanks for your interest, Happy New Year, Eric Eskola (forwarded by Susan Maricle, Bruno MN) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Who speaks for Moore?
--- Eric Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the supporters that are raising eyebrows and that's probably where the criticism should remain focused - on those individual supporters. (sm) That's true, but list rules say we should address the issues, not the individuals. I suppose we should mail those individuals offlist as Eric did me. But Martha raises an interesting question: who does speak for the candidates? A few months ago unfounded allegations raised the potential issue of slander, resulted in a list member retracting those allegations. (I don't remember the member, or the topic.) I've wondered if this discussion is headed down the same path. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Redistricting; appreciating; wondering
Brian: thank you for providing the links. I had
wondered what other districts were affected by the
redistricting policy, since the election only focused
on the 3d {and 5th} Ward.
Which leads to my next point: I greatly appreciate the
news and views I've heard on this forum. News about
Mpls. is virtually nonexistent up here, and Twin
Cities about the 3d Ward race has been minimal
compared to what this list provides.
Because I'm not connected to the issues like you guys
are, I am going into a lurk mode for the rest of the
campaign. It's not enough to say I like this
candidate without offering a list of concrete
reasons. My support of Don Samuels is based on
personal reasons, and though people may scoff at those
reasons, I'd like to share them anyway.
When my husband and I looked for our first house in
Mpls. in 1988, we found a restored Victorian house in
the paper for $40,000. Convinced it was a misprint, we
called the realtor and drove out to see the house. It
was a beautiful house, all right, on Hillside Av. in
north Mpls. Admittedly, we were scared off by the
neighborhood and continued our search, ending up a
little further north in Folwell, where we stayed for
11 years.
The fact that Don Samuels wasn't scared off by
Hillside--in fact, he may be living in the house that
we looked at--to me shows a commitment to hunkering
down, spreading roots, and making a difference.
People have asked if being present at a riot qualifies
someone to be CM. That reason alone, no. But that is
the reason why Don Samuels caught my attention. People
from disenfranchised neighborhoods usually don't wind
up at City Hall. I had mentioned earlier that Don's is
an important voice to hear, as is Natalie
Johnson-Lee's. {It's a shame that they would be
battling for the same job if Samuels wins.}
Which leads me to my final point: while I appreciate
the news and views on this list, I am mystified by the
anger expressed by Olin Moore's supporters. What is
the reason for that anger? That Don Samuels is
running? That ANYONE is running? Should the preferred
scenario be the DFL endorsee against a Republican
candidate against all other third parties? The anger
over bucking the endorsement reminds me of Ari
Fleischer's anger when someone dares to criticize GW.
I don't know Olin Moore, but I would think that he
would welcome any and all comers.
Susan Maricle
wishing everyone a Happy New Year
from Bruno MN
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--- Melendez, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For the redistricting process generally, the
Geographic Information
Systems office--which the Minnesota Legislature
established as the
repository of statewide boundary information for
legislative use--maintains
a great website with information about federal,
state, and local
redistricting at
http://www.commissions.leg.state.mn.us/gis/html/redis-list.html.
The
Redistricting 2000 guide gives a good conceptual
overview.
For Minneapolis redistricting, the City
Clerk's website furnishes some
information at
http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/redistricting/. The
redistricting webpage gives a brief overview of the
process, and links to
the Minneapolis redistricting plan (with a
statistical breakdown at
http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/redistricting/20020430planstats.asp).
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Re: [Mpls] Pioneer Press doesn't count the northside...
I heard the usually-unimpeachable Eric Eskola say the same thing on WCCO. Will do the same and e-mail him. If they said it during the primary, chances are they'll say it again during the February election if they remain uncorrected. BTW, where can an upstater find info on how, when, and why the redistricting happened? Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Pioneer Press article in question states: Voters in Northeast Minneapolis will be choosing among 20 candidates today in the primary phase of an election to replace former Minneapolis City Council Member Joe Biernat. I think it's appalling. I e-mailed the reporter and requested a printed correction. Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] 3rd Ward turnout?
Any idea why turnout is so low? If list turnout was indicative of ward turnout, it would be through the roof. Susan Maricle Bruno MN --- David Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone have a pre-polls-close report? Can you count the voters on one hand? Two? Need your toes? Curious, David Brauer King Field ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Pedestrian Killed and a Children Murdered, but do we really care?
Hi Jim: I hear you. I regrettably don't recall the incident at the SA, but I do recall feeling very saddened over the death of Abdullah Simmons this summer in Folwell. People I knew were dismissive, saying what did Simmons expect, given the gang that he was hanging out with. I was saddened because 15-year-old boys think they're 10 feet tall and bulletproof. In some communities, when a boy makes a mistake the worst thing that happens is he gets grounded. In other communities, when a boy makes a mistake he pays with his life. I think it's a case of the deserving dead vs. the undeserving dead. Kids like Tyesha Edwards are the undeserving dead. Kids like Abdullah Simmons and Tycel Nelson--well, if they're not deserving dead, they're the unmissed dead. A letter writer to the Detroit Free Press recently responded to an article entitled Another good kid shot dead. That letter is relevant to Minneapolis as well. My heartfelt wishes for a peaceful holiday for all, especially if there is an empty seat at your table. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN From the Detroit Free Press www.freep.com 'Good' kid? Let's mourn losses equally, and not judge December 11, 2002 It was with great sadness that I read your Dec. 2 story on Mario Smith, the latest young man killed in Detroit. My sadness was twofold. The event is a tragedy, and should give every one of us reason to step back to reevaluate how we live our own lives, and how we treat the people in them. But I was also deeply disappointed by the headline: Another good kid shot dead in Detroit. Another good kid? Why make such a distinction? Is it easier when kids who are not good get shot? Who are those kids? Why are they bad, and how do they get that way? We hear all about the violent crimes individuals perpetrate against one another, but what about the systemic crimes perpetrated against many children in Detroit every day? The children who grow up in poverty, living in substandard housing or, for that matter, on the streets, without adequate nutrition, and attending underfunded schools? The children living in environments characterized by crime, violence and abuse? I would argue that these are the factors that turn children against themselves and one another, that lead them to devalue themselves and each other as much as society devalues them. The media, and society at large, should challenge the establishment to ameliorate these conditions before we begin passing judgment on which kids are good and which are not, which kids are more or less deserving of being shot in the street. Any child we lose is a tragedy. Many of them, however, are lost in spirit long before the bullets claim their lives. We should mourn these losses equally and work to ensure that no more children are taken from us, in body or in spirit, before their time. Katherine Root Ann Arbor __--- JIM GRAHAM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In April a poster notified the list that a fifteen-year-old child had been assassinated at the Super America on 25th and Bloomington, seemingly in a gang shooting. The poster asked for similar information to the MPLS Pedestrian killed post. NO ONE responded with any outrage what so ever! It was a black child who apparently had been engaged in drug trafficking, and it was an execution that occured in a poor neighborhood where such things apparently are not unexpected. However it was still a child and the child of some family. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] What I want in a Council Member........
--- V.L. Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(VF) Because 2 people were at a Ground Zero
melee, this makes them good
candidates for CM?
{sm}
As stated by [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
If I lived in the third ward in one of the
neighborhoods that is being torn up by the crime
problems, I would want someone who at least had clue
as to what is was like to live with these problems on
a daily basis.
The reason I bring up the melee is because Don Samuels
was in the paper on a daily basis: toy designer,
involved citizen, neighborhood activist. The fact that
he's running tells me he wants to be an activist for
the entire 3d district. It will be important for
candidates to show how they can reach across the
river.
This certainly seems to be a rancorous race, more so
than the council races in Folwell. Is this normal? An
aberration? If an aberration, what makes this race
different?
Susan Maricle
Bruno MN
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Re: [Mpls] What do RT, Coleman Young, and Eminem have in common?
--- Victoria Heller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From G.R. Anderson Jr.'s article.
The Mayor and Police Chief Say 'Get out and Stay
out' to gangs in Minneapolis.
I wonder if RT and Olson will take heat for this
statement, as did Detroit Mayor Coleman Young in the
70s. When elected, one of the first statements by
Detroit's first African American mayor was to tell
pimps, prostitutes and hoodlums to hit the road past
8 Mile. {Eight Mile is the road that separates
Detroit from its inner-ring northern suburbs, and was
glorified almost 30 years later by Eminem.} The
suburbanites, who saw Young's statement as an
invitation for crime to enter the suburbs, were
outraged.
Susan Maricle
formerly of Folwell {and Detroit}
Bruno, MN
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Re: [Mpls] Re: Samuels vs. Price: discuss
--- dyna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for Olin Moore being guilty by implication because he has worked for constituents in Martin Olav Sabo's office, this is a pretty desperate attempt to defame Olin. It's nothing of the kind. Moore might be the perfect candidate. However, his selection seems to be adhering to the DFL principle of tried and true, an unwillingness to try new ideas. Is that why they're getting defeated? When Natalie Johnson Lee was elected, she threw open the windows at City Hall and people didn't always like the voices that filtered in. But they were necessary voices to hear. Barbara, thank you for your factual comparison between the two candidates. It was very helpful. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell Bruno MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] NIMBYDALE MALL/Spring 2003/West Broadway Upton
I think Keith was being ironic. Susan Maricle Bruno, MN formerly of Folwell (KR) We have signed the following businesses; Check cashing/payday advance, used goods, pawnshop, gas station/auto repair, tattoo parlor, fast-food w/drivethrough, liquor store, gun shop, and homeless shelter. --- V.L. Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will hope that the above is a joke of some kind. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Sour Grapes from Cherryhomes
Shawn Lewis, Field Neighborhood provided this link: http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3373197.html Give it up, Jackie. Move on with your life. A few months ago Sharon Sayles Belton was guest host on the WCCO drive time show. She sounded so happy, relaxed, assured, informed, engaging, professional--she should pursue radio full time. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell now of Bruno, MN __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:mpls;mnforum.org Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] The Old Neighborhood
Today I attended a work-related event in Eden Prairie, and drove down last night to spend the night. My displeasure at having to drive from northern Pine County to the southwest metro was tempered by the realization I would see The Old Neighborhood. It was interesting to see how much had stayed the same, and how much had changed. There were the obligatory campaign signs for Joe Mullery and Linda Berglin. There was a considerable number of Green Party signs, something I hadn't noticed before. The area immediately north of Folwell seemed cleaned up and more prosperous than before. My old block was still congested, perhaps even more so, if such a thing is possible. My first stop in Mpls. was to see the new housing along Humboldt. I was dismayed to see that the housing was very much like the prefabricated housing that proliferates Eden Prairie. But Minneapolis is home to a diversity of styles, and part of that diversity includes having cookie-cutter housing, I suppose. I proceeded to drive down Penn Av North, Broadway, Golden Valley, Plymouth, all the streets I'd driven down before. Was it nerve-wracking? Not a fraction as nerve-wracking as the freeway frenzy of Eden Prairie. News of the theatre riot led off the 7 o clock news. I couldn't figure out why Elvis Costello was listed on the marquee if the concert was rap. I'm glad that someone on the list pointed out that hundreds of rap concerts have been held in the city without a melee happening. So now I'm home, catching up on my e-mails. Rosalind, congratulations on the great press and best of luck with your new shop! Wizard, you hit the nail on the head with your analysis of rural life. The cost of living ain't necessarily cheaper when the highest wages are $7.25 an hour. Any affordability that rural life held is quickly vanishing. Two years ago we bought our home on 5 acres for $71,900, You can't touch anything with acreage for under $100,000 today. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell now of Bruno, MN who enjoys Ray Suarez and fucshia houses like the one in the Audubon neighborhood __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Garages and Politics
Catherine Leighton
Live in Longfellow/Work North East writes:
My household also sports a truck that one of my sons
uses for work. He's in construction, travels
throughout the metro area, and carries tools and
materials to jobs. I don't see an alternative to
his mode of transportation but I am quite sure that he
is offending more than a few list members.
sm:
On our block in Folwell, we were blessed/cursed with
the only driveway on the block. Blessed because it
provided offstreet parking. And cursed because in a
two-vehicle household, a one-lane driveway {especially
a long, narrow one} was virtually useless.
Like Catherine's son, my husband works in lawn
service, and regularly drove a truck with a small
trailer attached. Drivers would regularly park their
vehicles immediately up to either side or directly
across from it...which is legal, but made it
impossible for my husband to get out. If I parked on
the street so I wouldn't block the truck, which was
about to leave, I would be excoriated by the
neighbors. We were probably seen as being wasteful and
greedy. But the parking space just didn't serve our
purposes.
Someone mentioned that parking issues can almost lead
to police action. I can relate to that too! It took
forever to shovel out our driveway during the
Halloween blizzard. A few minutes later, I found a
stranger's parked car in it. I still remember
screaming up and down the deserted block, WHOSE CAR
IS THIS!!!?
It'll be interesting to see how this issue works out.
Having a garage is only half the puzzle...you need
reliable access to it as well.
Susan Maricle
Bruno, MN
whose pole shed can't be used for parking because the
chickens have taken it over
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[Mpls] Of libraries and hotdish
I read this letter to the editor in the Strib today, thinking it was one of the better-written letters I'd read: wry in humor, incisive in logic. When I came to the name of the sender it didn't surprise me at all. George Rabasa was a former creative director of mine, a published fiction author, and a library advocate. What especially impresses me about this accomplished writer is that English isn't his native language; he was born in Spain. Here's the letter: Library design needs work It has been expressed that the new central library design is the one Minnesotans deserve because We're a people who eat hot dish (Star Tribune, Oct. 2). Would that it were true! Hot dish is good hearty food of warmth and substance. It nourishes the belly and the heart. The proposed design is more like a lunch of field greens with nonfat salad dressing washed down with a nice sparkling water with a twist. Andrew Carnegie specified that his small town and community libraries should give patrons the experience of entering a higher realm, a climb into a place where the spirit and the mind would be lifted. Cesar Pelli's proposed glass boxes seem airy and insubstantial, pretty in a light way, yet ultimately thin and unambitious. A place where knowledge is another disposable acquisition, rather than the means to stretch consciousness to a higher dimension. I hope we consider this design the first step of a work in progress: Please, keep the pot simmering. It's not soup yet. And certainly not hot dish. -- George Rabasa, Minneapolis. Posted by Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell now of Bruno, MN and who is endeavoring to get George to join Mpls. Issues __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Nordeast: a derogatory term?
I received an offline admonishment requesting me to please refrain from using the word nordeast to describe northeast Minneapolis. Once used as a insider term of endearment, it has since been used as a term to demean, according to the poster. This is news to me. It must be to the Star Tribune, too, which used the term Nordeast as recently as June 23, 2002. (Steve Brandt, take note.) As a person with an eastern Europeanborn parent and who grew up with plenty of neighbors who said dese and dose, nordeast isnt an insult, but a tribute to a heritage that I treasure. While I appreciate the posters sincerity, I find it hard to just docilely say okay. So I am throwing open the question to the forum: does anyone else consider nordeast a derogatory term? If so, how did it transform from affectionate name to insult? Im really curious. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell now of Bruno, MN who still gets her taxes done at Myslajek and Co. __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Props to Nordeast
I work with an art director who's working on a photo shoot for a catalog. The photographer's studio is in nordeast, and is in close proximity to several prop shops and antique shops. The art director, quite the enthusiast of restoring old homes, spoke lovingly of the aisles of collectibles he found. More than aisles, actually--there was so much stuff he couldn't take it all in. Because our company is far north of the Twin Cities, few people who work there go to Minneapolis. Finding these prop shops was an unexpected delight for my coworker. And I delighted in hearing his delight. Knowing the history of Nordeast and its Eastern European immigrant families, I can imagine the treasure trove of trendy collectibles it now houses. It's great to see that Nordeast after lo these many years is finally getting its props. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell now of Bruno, MN who still remembers the humm of driving over the Lowry Street Bridge __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Community Ownership of the Twins
--- Phyllis Kahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have supported the idea of community ownership for a long time. I think this is a great idea. All of the people who say their kids love the Twins--I wonder how many of those parents will be able to afford tickets for their family if we end up with a luxury-suited, big-ticket stadium. Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell now of Bruno, MN who's still smarting over Detroit's 1987 loss, but who hates Bud Selig even worse, so GO TWINS __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Two Easy Ways to Fix N. Mpls.
Thanks for providing this link, Bill. I had never heard of the publication. I'm a believer in residency. You can't have forced residency, as people will find a way around it. But I think cops should receive incentives for living in the city, even more incentives for living in the district in which they work. There's a major difference when the cop is seen as a neighbor rather than as part of an occupying force, in Collins's words. When we first moved to Mpls. in 1989, we considered buying a charming house at 38th and Chicago. We knew nothing about the neighborhood, so a friend suggested we contact the nearby police department to get an opinion from them. I still remember the officer's words: It's awful. You couldn't pay me to live here. Now, maybe I caught the officer at a bad time on a bad day. But if that's the attitude he carries around with him, how does it affect his performance? Why does he stay in a job if he hates where he works? If I were an employer and that cop were my employee, how long would I keep him around if he continued to badmouth me to potential clients? I hope this article is read and considered by many more people. Thanks again, Bill, for providing it. Susan Maricle Bruno, MN formerly of Folwell __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Cordwood Corners
I e-mailed R.T. a suggestion for a housing developing in Minneapolis that's made up of cordwood houses. Cordwood would satisfy his green initiatives, as well as his affordable housing initiatives. Plus, the thick mortar walls are effective sound barriers...I can picture such a development near the airport. If there's room for Ventura Village, perhaps the time is right for Cordwood Corners. www.cordwoodmasonry.com has more information if you'd like to check it out Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell now of Bruno, MN __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Don Samuels: Salvage, don't savage Jordan neighborhood
Interesting letter by Don Samuels of Jordan on the Star Tribune op/ed page today. Haven't seen any postings about it, maybe no one has seen it. Here it is: www.startribune.com/stories/1519/3326092.html Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell now in Bruno, MN and still hyperlink-impaired __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] City of Minneapolis Web site
It's a shame that the concept of clarity in government communications is so foreign, that it deserves a prize when it occurs. With R.T.'s Web experience, he recognizes the importance of a clear, easy-to-navigate Web site. Kudos! Susan Maricle formerly of Folwell now of Bruno, MN where the township Web site is several light years away __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A Civil City Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
