[Biofuel] new US Radiation Event Medical Management website

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Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

[Kirk McLoren]

We ran 3000 acres. A small operation. My stepdads brother ran the 
slaughterhouse and meatmarket in town. The only grain they got was a scoop of 
feed so their head was down so you could put the rifle against the back of 
their skull.
  I am familiar with the business.
  As for our chickens they got oats and wheat. We didnt fertilize so I guess it 
was organic.
  Old hens have fat but fryers are lean meat.
  As for hog and chicken farm pollution it is a travesty and the monied such 
as Tyson get away with it because of who they are and who they know. 
  The biggest dead zone that I actually saw the satellite photos of was the 
spraying in Nam. The chemical companies assured the military the die off would 
be in river plumes maybe as far as 50 miles. When the die off was larger than 
Nam itself spraying was stopped.
  Nothing has changed. Except we are the Vietnamese now courtesy of Monsanto 
and others.
   
  Kirk

Terry Dyck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Kirk,

Even the so called grass fed cows spend their last days on special feed lots 
to fatten them up. When I was involved with a certification of organic 
farming organization I approached a chicken farmer who always complained 
that he couldn't go completely organic because the cost of organic feed was 
too high. I suggested that he could just let the chickens eat like wild 
birds and he mentioned that that would be very healthy for the chickens but 
no one would buy the meat because the chickens would be too skinny. The 
farmers have to purchase or grow special grains that are certified organic 
and feed this to the chickens to produce more fat.
Also, there are many dead zones now in our oceans were fish can not survive 
and the cause is run off from factory cattle and hog farms. There are lots 
of scientific studies done on this.

Terry Dyck


From: Kirk McLoren 
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 12:36:39 -0800 (PST)

There are so many assumptions made in these analysis I fail to get 
excited. When man was chipping flint and buffalo herds took a day to run 
past a point how much methane was there? There was more forest too and 
rotting vegetation and termites. As for fertilizer for feed that means 
feedlots and most beef in the west is sold from open range. Grass one day 
then a train ride to swift and armour. No feed lot involved. The biggest 
feed lot operator I know ships all his meat to Japan. American consumers 
dont want to pay that much.
 For every cow I see on a lot I see 10 or more on grass.

Terry Dyck wrote:
 Hi Thomas,

Re stats quoted; it's too bad you couldn't bring up the Grist mag. report
but there is another report different than the United Nations report you 
put
in this reply. The U.N. report is dated Dec. 11, 2006. The title is -- Cow
emissions more damaging to planet than CO2 from cars. This is a 400 page
report by the Food and Agricultural Organisation, entitled  Livestock's
Long Shadow. This is the reoport that claims the 18% figure of green house
gases. It takes into consideration that burning fuel to produce fertiliser
to grow feed, to produce meat and to transport it - and clearing of
vegetation for grazing - produces 9 % of all emissions of CO2. An earlier
report came out on Nov. 29, 2006. Hope this helps you to verify my stats.

Terry Dyck


 From: Thomas Kelly
 Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 To:
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
 Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 10:01:32 -0500
 
 Terry,
  Unable to find the information you referred to at Grist Magazine's web
 site, I went to the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization's 
site
 and found a book called Livestock and the Environment: Finding a Balance.
 http://www.fao.org/ag/againfo/resources/documents/Lxehtml/tech/index.htm
  In Chapter 5 is a section dealing with GHG emissions due to livestock
 I suspect this may be where the quote attributed to the United Nations 
Food
 an Agriculture Organization (regarding GHG emissions from livestock) came
 from. But where you said
 
 They also mentioned that livestock produces 9% for CO2 and 37% methane 
and
 65% nitrous oxide. Those are world totals.
 
 The book says:
 (Chapter 5 Beyond Production Systems; Livestock and greenhouse gases)
 As shown, livestock and manure management contribute about 16 percent of
 total annual production of 550 million tons.
 
  Source: USEPA, 1995.
 Methane emission
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 (NOT the 37% you quote)
 
 Regarding Nitrous Oxides and livestock:
 Nitrous oxide emissions. Nitrous oxide is another greenhouse gas
 contributing to global warming. Total N2O emissions have been estimated 
by
 Bouwman (1995) at 13.6 TG N2O per year, which exceeds the stratospheric
 loss of 10.5 TG N2O per year by an atmospheric increase of 3.1 TG N2O per
 year. Animal manure contributes about 1.0 TG N2O per year to total
 emissions. Indirectly, livestock

[Biofuel] utility bill horror stories.

[Kirk McLoren]

Not only oil companies are posting record profits
  Seems a loud and clear call for solar and other power at point of use.
  Kirk
   
  http://www.jg-tc.com/articles/2007/03/10/news/news002.prt
   
  Readers share horror stories over utility bills 
  By the JG/T-C
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  The following comments were collected from JG/T-C readers via e-mail:

January electric power bill - $196.42
February bill - $396.02
JW

Our latest bill was $243.09. The bill previous to that was $121.08. So, our 
bill doubled almost exactly. It wasn’t as big of a jump as some people have 
had, but it’s certainly more than a $1 a day, and it’s a hardship for us. We 
are all electric, but now we’re looking at gas.
JL, Charleston

I am a single mother of two and live in a 2-bedroom apartment. My CIPS bill for 
January 2007 was $135 and my bill for February 2007 is $259. I have lived in my 
apartment for 8 years and have never had a bill this high. I keep my apartment 
at 70 degrees all the time, even though it is cold. I have very limited income 
and I don’t understand why the bill has almost doubled. I don’t know how people 
are going to be able to afford these rates. I hope something can be done about 
this outrageous increase.
MS

Our electric bills for the month of January went up to $767 and for the month 
of February my bill went up to $1847. We are a low income family that only 
bring home $1300 a month. People like us can’t afford to pay these high 
electric bills.
CR, Ashmore

We have a 1,280 sq. ft. ranch-style home with a family of two adults and one 
child with a total electric home.

January bill was $216.39, 2007.42 Electric KWH total usage. Avg. temp 36. 
February bill $281.36, 2948.00 Electric KWH total usage. Avg. temp 18.

Fortunately, I am on “Budget Billing” (a/k/a “Equalizer”) plan which I was just 
re-evaluated for in December. Prior to December I paid $107 a month on the 
plan. During the re-evaluation in December, AmerenCIPS (knowing their rates 
were going up) found me to be using less and changed my plan amount to $106 a 
month ($1 less). They re-evaluate the “Budget Billing” amount every four months 
so the effect of the increase has not happened for me yet but will in four 
months when they make the entire “balance behind” due and certainly increase my 
“Budget Billing” amount.
JW, Charleston

I am a homeowner living on the west side of Charleston with a family of five. 
My January bill was $350.11. As if that was not high enough, my February bill 
came to a unbelievable $449. I am paying another house payment for my 
electricity. It is a real struggle to keep my bills paid and paid on time. I 
can’t imagine how the elderly can afford this increase. I am praying that 
something will be done soon for everyone’s sake.
MP, Charleston

My CIPS bill:
January $153.96 
February $227.50
KK, Charleston

Our household bill for January was $112.07 and February $143.59 for a two-month 
total of $255.66. We have a two-bedroom condo with windows on east, south, and 
west.
VR

In January, my Ameren bill was $259.40.
In February, my Ameren bill was $429.62 (almost doubled)
JB, Mattoon

My electric bill last year was $152, this year same period, $403.
EW

My electric bills for January, February and March were $146.95, $197.18 and 
$394.10, respectively. A more telling fact is that my highest bill for the same 
period in 2006 was $179.80.
How is that justified? We are an all-electric household. What Ameren did not 
publicize is that fact they canceled the incentives for being all electric 
along with the rate hike.
LM, Mattoon

Our average bill this time of year runs around $270-$300 per month, our new 
bill this period is $660; we can’t pay this. I’ve sent emails to Flider, to the 
governor. I did get a response from Flider, but as expected, nothing from our 
so-called governor. Everybody needs to complain and take a stand on this issue.
JS, Strasburg

January - $339.26, February - $433.54
RB

Our house is all electric and has been since we built in 1973.
Bill date Jan.15 - $168.08
Bill date Feb 12 - $357.94
Difference $189.86
Besides the increase, we also lost our special winter heating rate which we 
have always had.
BRL, Mattoon

Since we have a newborn at home, we keep our house heated at around 70 degrees. 
January and February bills combined totaled almost $900. That is equivalent to 
almost 3 car payments and one and a half house payments.
TK, Mattoon

January - $262
February - $350
For those of us on fixed income, this is shocking. What do we cut back? Food, 
meds or that needed trip to the doctor? This impacts the whole community not 
just individuals. The more we spend on our power bills the less we have to 
spend for other necessities. This greed must be stopped.
Sara (no last name)

I am a very low income single mother of 2 minor children. I struggle to pay my 
monthly bills every month but since the increase it has gotten worse. My 
January bill was $312.60 which is just $25.40 less than my house 

Re: [Biofuel] That bogus antioxidant study

[Kirk McLoren]

Better start planting botanicals. We shall have to be self sufficient.
  I predict little success opposing the pharma corporations due to who owns 
them.
  Kirk

D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  That's when the Codex is due to kick in here in the USA. I have no 
link, just remember reading it
  somewhere. I think it has already kicked in Australia ( NZ?). It is being 
fought in Europe. I don't know
  about Canada, although they already can't get stuff, like DHEA, that we're 
still able to get here
  in the USA. The Codex is designed to harmonize to a lower standard. It 
invokes the precautionary
  principle in a really perverse way. It is embedded in CAFTA, btw. 
  See: 
  http://www.nocodexgenocide.com/page/page/3113337.htm Action site
  http://www.dr-rath-foundation.org/  Dr Rath is the main man in Europe who's 
fighting Codex
  http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php/?p=322 Site devoted to health 
freedom for us in the USA
  
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/11/02/stop_codex_rath_protests_plans_for_supplements.htm
  All around site that covers a myriad of health related topics with no BS.
  http://www.stopfdacensorship.org/  Stop the censorship of FDA and FTC. The 
FDA is really the scourge of the
  earth wrt real healing. They want to constrain our health freedom entirely 
and have us to believe that only
  prescription drugs (chemo, radiation, surgery) are real medicine. Nothing is 
further from the truth!
   
  Peace, D. Mindock
- Original Message - 
  From: MK DuPree 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] That bogus antioxidant study
  

  Hi D...Do you know the law that is compelling food supplements to be removed 
from health food store shelves in 2009?  Mike DuPree
- Original Message - 
  From: D. Mindock 
  To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 3:30 AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] That bogus antioxidant study
  

  http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Can-Vitamins-Really-Kill-You--6508.aspx
  I just watched Dr Mercola who reported on the study that the media said proved
  that antioxidants do not lengthen life and may even kill you. He said
  that of the hundreds of studies that were chosen to be studied, they picked 
the
  most unfavorable ones, based on elderly patients who were in poor health. Also
  these people were only using synthetic anti-oxidants which are known to be a 
lot
  less effective than natural ones that the body easily recognizes and uses 
effectively.
  So, once again, the media has been a willing accomplice in softening up the 
public
  for the day (in 2009) when Big Pharma gets their most ardent wish fulfilled 
and all effective
  supplements are pulled of the shelves of U.S. health food stores. We must not
  allow this to happen. We can neutralize these untruths by writing to the 
editor,
  emailing the TV media news, and joining groups like Life Extension Foundation 
(LEF),
  the Organic Consumers Association (OCA), etc., and getting their newsletters.
  Writing your representative politicians could help too.
  Peace, D. Mindock

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Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

[Kirk McLoren]

, the total of all livestock on this planet.
   
I think the meat industry would account for a lot more than a
paltry
33 million cars' worth of GHGs.
   
   I still think that. The claim of 18% of global emissions from 
CAFOs
   doesn't sound unreasonable, but the cars bit can't be right, seems
to
   me.
   
   Thanks Terry.
   
   Best
   
   Keith
   
   
   
   
Terry Dyck


From: Keith Addison 
Reply-To: biofuel at sustainablelists.org
To: biofuel at sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:26:10 +0900

Hello Terry

 Hi Kirk,
 
 If all of us did what we should be doing our houses would be
one
 room heated with Geo Thermal, hot water and electricity by
solar
 and
 we would walk or bike almost everywere

This:

 and we would be totally Vegan.

... is nonsense, as we've established quite thoroughly many
times.
Please go to the archives and check it out.

There is no way of raising crops sustainably without using
livestock
in the production system. No vegetarian farming system has ever
survived the test of time.

Please don't argue about it until you've checked it out, no 
need
to
go over the same old ground yet another time.

 The Union of Concerned Scientists reports that because of the
 amount
 of Methane gas caused from feed lots, etc. that the total of
all
 livestock on this planet is equivalent to taking 33 million
cars
 of
 the road.

Feed lots, etc? What does the etc mean?

I'm sure the amount of GHGs emitted by trees etc is even worse,
should we cut them all down too?

Do trees share blame for global warming?
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0119/p13s01-sten.html
Globally, living plants may contribute from 10 to 30 percent 
of
global methane emissions.

I haven't seen the UCS report you mention, would you give us a
reference or a link please?

Anyway you're talking about feedlots, CAFOs, Confined Animal
Feeding
Operations, industrialised factory farms. No CAFOs no meat?
That's
the same mistake enviros make when they attack fuel ethanol
because
they don't like Archer Daniel Midlands and Cargill. There are
other
ways of doing things, as we ought to know by now.

There've been a number of high-profile critiques of industrial
meat
production and global warming, this is the main one:

   
  
 http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.htm
Livestock's long shadow - Environmental issues and options
Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations

Feedlot cattle, pigs and poultry eat industrialised grain,
produced
with high dependence on fossil-fuel inputs and at high
environmental
cost, and the same applies to the CAFO livestock production
system
itself. Check out how carbon-neutral industrialised grain turns
out
to be. Pastured livestock eat forage.

With CAFOs most of the methane emissions result from the manure
storage, especially with pigs. With pastured livestock,
especially
with rotational pasture, the manure provides the soil fertility
to
produce multiple following crops, displaces the need for
fossil-fuel
based chemical fertilisers, and does so at a healthy profit.  
   Such
pasture soils sequester very large amounts of carbon.

I think the meat industry would account for a lot more than a
paltry
33 million cars' worth of GHGs. Well so what, it doesn't have 
any
future anyway, any more than the rest of the industrial
agriculture
disaster does. It's fossil-fuel dependent every step of the 
way,
and
measured in food miles that comes to a hell of a long way. 
It'll
 bust
all their bottom-lines when carbon accounting starts hitting 
the
global trade it depends on, the insane distribution system, the
processing. Apart from all of which CAFOs have become a major
bio-hazard.

No need for it anyway. The future is small, sustainable,
family-run
mixed farms with integrated crop and livestock production, low
 input,
high output, local markets.

Best

Keith


 Terry Dyck
 
 From: Kirk McLoren 
 Reply-To: biofuel at sustainablelists.org
 To: biofuel at sustainablelists.org
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power
Use
 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:45:14 -0800 (PST)
 
 The message is - It isnt really that important. If it were I
 would do
   it.
  So how true is it - at least to him.
  If it doent motivate him maybe he knows something we dont.
  So of all people to squander energy it shouldnt be him.
 
  You might want to look into Cripple Creek Coal which he is 
  on
 the
 board of directors.
 
  Kirk
 
 Tom Irwin

[Biofuel] Shaking Down a 79 Year Old Biodiesel Couple

[Kirk McLoren]

crosspost from little houses
  Kirk

   Shaking Down a 79 Year Old Biodiesel Couple

Disgraceful.

http://www.herald-review.com/articles/2007/03/01/news/local_news/1021491.txt

State makes big fuss over local couple's vegetable oil car fuel 
By HUEY FREEMAN - HR Staff Writer
DECATUR - David and Eileen Wetzel don't get going in the morning quite
as early as they used to.

So David Wetzel, 79, was surprised to hear a knock on the door at
their eastside home while he was still getting dressed.

Two men in suits were standing on his porch.

They showed me their badges and said they were from the Illinois
Department of Revenue, Wetzel said. I said, 'Come in.' Maybe I
shouldn't have.

Gary May introduced himself as a special agent. The other man, John
Egan, was introduced as his colleague. May gave the Wetzels his card,
stating that he is the senior agent in the bureau of criminal
investigations.

I was afraid, Eileen Wetzel said. I came out of the bathroom. I
thought: Good God, we paid our taxes. The check didn't bounce.

The agents informed the Wetzels that they were interested in their
car, a 1986 Volkswagen Golf, that David Wetzel converted to run
primarily from vegetable oil but also partly on diesel.

Wetzel uses recycled vegetable oil, which he picks up weekly from an
organization that uses it for frying food at its dining facility.

They told me I am required to have a license and am obligated to pay
a motor fuel tax, David Wetzel recalled. Mr. May also told me the
tax would be retroactive.

Since the initial visit by the agents on Jan. 4, the Wetzels have been
involved in a struggle with the Illinois Department of Revenue. The
couple, who live on a fixed budget, have been asked to post a $2,500
bond and threatened with felony charges.

State legislators have rallied to help the Wetzels.

State Sen. Frank Watson, R-Greenville, introduced Senate Bill 267,
which would curtail government interference regarding alternative
fuels, such as vegetable oil. A public hearing on the bill will be at
1 p.m. today in Room 400 of the state Capitol.

I would agree that the bond is not acceptable, $2,500 bond, Watson
said, adding that David Wetzel should be commended for his innovative
efforts. (His car) gets 46 miles per gallon running on vegetable oil.
We all should be thinking about doing without gasoline if we're trying
to end foreign dependency.

I think it's inappropriate of state dollars to send two people to Mr.
Wetzel's home to do this. They could have done with a more friendly
approach. It could have been done on the phone. To use an intimidation
factor on this - who is he harming? Two revenue agents. You'd think
there's a better use of their time, Watson said.

The Wetzels, who plan to speak at a Senate hearing in Springfield
today, recalled how their struggle with the revenue department unfolded.

According to the Wetzels, May told them during his Jan. 4 visit that
they would have to pay taxes at either the gasoline rate of 19½ cents
per gallon or the diesel rate of 21½ cents per gallon.

A retired research chemist and food plant manager, Wetzel produced
records showing he has used 1,134.6 gallons of vegetable oil from 2002
to 2006. At the higher rate, the tax bill would come to $244.24.

That averages out to $4.07 a month, Wetzel noted, adding he is
willing to pay that bill.

But the Wetzels would discover that the state had more complicated and
costly requirements for them to continue to use their veggie mobile.

David Wetzel was told to contact a revenue official and apply for a
license as a special fuel supplier and receiver. After completing
a complicated application form designed for businesses, David Wetzel
was sent a letter directing him to send in a $2,500 bond.

Eileen Wetzel, a former teaching assistant, calculated that the bond,
designed to ensure that their business pays its taxes, would cover
the next 51 years at their present usage rate.

A couple of weeks later, David Wetzel received another letter from the
revenue department, stating that he must immediately stop operating
as a special fuel supplier and receiver until you receive special fuel
supplier and receiver licenses.

This threatening letter stated that acting as a supplier and receiver
without a license is a Class 3 felony. This class of felonies carries
a penalty of up to five years in prison.

On the department of revenue's Web site, David Wetzel discovered that
the definition of special fuel supplier includes someone who operates
a plant with an active bulk storage capacity of not less than 30,000
gallons. Wetzel also did not fit the definition of a receiver,
described as a person who produces, distributes or transports fuel
into the state. So Wetzel withdrew his application to become a
supplier and receiver.

Mike Klemens, spokesman for the department of revenue, explained that
Wetzel has to register as a supplier because the law states that is
the only way he can pay motor fuel tax.

But what if he is not, in fact, a supplier? 

Re: [Biofuel] That bogus antioxidant study

[Kirk McLoren]

http://nnlm.gov/pnr/uwmhg/comnames.html university of washington.
   
   
  http://www.crimson-sage.com/  they have a pdf catalog
  Stevia
  Stevia rebaudianaNative to Paraguay. A remarkable sugar substitute. Stevia’s 
flavor is stable when cooked. You can use it in jams, canned fruits, cakes and 
cookies. Your own home grown will taste much better than store bought. Stevia 
is fast growing. It thrives in full sun and well drained soil. Pinch off the 
flowers as you would with basil. If Stevia is allowed to flower they droop and 
become dormant. Some studies have shown that it contains substances that 
inhibit tooth decay, increase mental alertness, decrease fatigue, improve 
digestion, regulates blood pressure, and is safe for diabetics. However it has 
not been approved by the FDA. Excellent sugar substitute for diabetics. My 
children love to nibble the leaves. Stevia is a tender perennial. Hardy to zone 
9.
   
  My daughter has researche plants form eastern europe and sourced some. Will 
post more info later
   
  Also
http://www.fungi.com/
  they have kits
  I know people who grow them in their garage.
  http://www.fungi.com/kits/indoor.html
  The Reishi Mushroom Patch™   Growing Temperature: 70–80° F
Ganoderma lucidum, known as Reishi by the Japanese and Ling Chi by the Chinese, 
has long been sought after for its beneficial properties. Ling Chi is perhaps 
the most well renowned of all the medicinal fungi, represented in Asian art for 
thousands of years. Reputed to have many health stimulating properties, Western 
studies are increasingly authenticating what Eastern cultures have known for 
thousands of years—that this mushroom stimulates the body's immune system. Once 
grown, this mushroom is generally broken up, powdered and steeped in simple 
teas. Its flavor is strong, distinctive, and pleasant to most people.
   
  Kirk
  
  
MK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm curious what botanicals the List thinks might be essential.  My first 
thought would be those which strengthen the immune system, which might be what? 
 Then?  Mike DuPree
- Original Message - 
  From: Kirk McLoren 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] That bogus antioxidant study
  

  Better start planting botanicals. We shall have to be self sufficient.
  I predict little success opposing the pharma corporations due to who owns 
them.
  Kirk

D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  That's when the Codex is due to kick in here in the USA. I have no 
link, just remember reading it
  somewhere. I think it has already kicked in Australia ( NZ?). It is being 
fought in Europe. I don't know
  about Canada, although they already can't get stuff, like DHEA, that we're 
still able to get here
  in the USA. The Codex is designed to harmonize to a lower standard. It 
invokes the precautionary
  principle in a really perverse way. It is embedded in CAFTA, btw. 
  See: 
  http://www.nocodexgenocide.com/page/page/3113337.htm Action site
  http://www.dr-rath-foundation.org/  Dr Rath is the main man in Europe who's 
fighting Codex
  http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php/?p=322 Site devoted to health 
freedom for us in the USA
  
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/11/02/stop_codex_rath_protests_plans_for_supplements.htm
  All around site that covers a myriad of health related topics with no BS.
  http://www.stopfdacensorship.org/  Stop the censorship of FDA and FTC. The 
FDA is really the scourge of the
  earth wrt real healing. They want to constrain our health freedom entirely 
and have us to believe that only
  prescription drugs (chemo, radiation, surgery) are real medicine. Nothing is 
further from the truth!
   
  Peace, D. Mindock
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  Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] That bogus antioxidant study
  

  Hi D...Do you know the law that is compelling food supplements to be removed 
from health food store shelves in 2009?  Mike DuPree
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  Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 3:30 AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] That bogus antioxidant study
  

  http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Can-Vitamins-Really-Kill-You--6508.aspx
  I just watched Dr Mercola who reported on the study that the media said proved
  that antioxidants do not lengthen life and may even kill you. He said
  that of the hundreds of studies that were chosen to be studied, they picked 
the
  most unfavorable ones, based on elderly patients who were in poor health. Also
  these people were only using synthetic anti-oxidants which are known to be a 
lot
  less effective than natural ones that the body easily recognizes and uses 
effectively.
  So, once again, the media has been a willing accomplice in softening up the 
public
  for the day (in 2009) when Big Pharma gets their most ardent wish fulfilled

[Biofuel] surviving building collapse

[Kirk McLoren]

  TRRIIAANNGGLLEE OOFF LLIIFFEE
  (EARTHQUAKES)
  This is most definitely worth reading.
  Amazing when you think what we were
  taught to do when we were children. How
  wrong they were!!
  EXTRACT FROM DOUG COPP'S ARTICLE
  ON THE TRIANGLE OF LIFE,
  Edited by Larry Linn for MAA Safety
  Committee brief on 4/13/04.
  My name is Doug Copp. I am the Rescue
  Chief and Disaster Manager of the American
  Rescue Team International (ARTI), the
  world's most experienced rescue team. The
  information in this article will save lives in an
  earthquake.
  I have crawled inside 875 collapsed
  buildings, worked with rescue teams from 60
  countries, founded rescue teams in several
  countries, and I am a member of many
  rescue teams from many countries. I was the
  United Nations expert in Disaster Mitigation
  for two years. I have worked at Every major
  disaster in the world since 1985, except for
  simultaneous disasters.
  In 1996 we made a film, which proved my
  survival methodology to be correct. The
  Turkish Federal Government, City of
  Istanbul, University of Istanbul Case
  Productions and ARTI cooperated to film
  this practical, scientific test. We collapsed a
  school and a home with 20 mannequins
  inside. Ten mannequins did duck and
  cover, and ten mannequins I used in my
  triangle of life survival method. After the
  simulated earthquake collapse we crawled
  through the rubble and entered the building
  to film and document the results. The film, in
  which I practiced my survival techniques
  under directly observable, scientific
  conditions, relevant to building collapse,
  showed there would have been zero percent
  survival for those doing duck and cover.
  There would likely have been 100 percent
  survivability for people using my method of
  the triangle of life.
  This film has been seen by millions of
  viewers on television in Turkey And the rest
  of Europe, and it was seen in the USA,
  Canada and Latin America on the TV
  program Real TV.
  The first building I ever crawled inside of was
  a school in Mexico City during the 1985
  earthquake. Every child was under their desk.
  Every child was crushed to the thickness of
  their bones. They could have survived by
  lying down next to their desks in the aisles. It
  was obscene, unnecessary and I wondered
  why the children were not in the aisles. I
  didn't at the time know that the children
  were told to hide under something. Simply
  stated, when buildings collapse, the weight
  of the ceilings falling upon the objects or
  furniture inside crushes these objects, leaving
  a space or void next to them. This space is
  what I call the triangle of life. The larger
  the object, the stronger, the less it will
  compact. The less the object compacts, the
  larger the void, the greater the probability
  that the person who is using this void for
  safety will not be injured. The next time you
  watch collapsed buildings, on television,
  count the triangles you see formed. They
  are everywhere. It is the most common
  shape, you will see, in a collapsed building.
  They are everywhere.
  TEN TIPS FOR EARTHQUAKE SAFETY
  1) Most everyone who simply ducks and
  covers WHEN BUILDINGS COLLAPSE, are
  crushed to death. People who get under
  objects, like desks or cars, are crushed.
  2) Cats, dogs and babies often naturally curl
  up in the foetal position. You should too in
  an earthquake. It is a natural safety/survival
  instinct. You can survive in a smaller void.
  Get next to an object, next to a sofa, next to
  a large bulky object that will compress
  slightly but leave avoid next to it.
  3) Wooden buildings are the safest type of
  construction to be in during an earthquake.
  Wood is flexible and moves with the force of
  the earthquake. If the wooden building does
  collapse, large survival voids are created.
  Also, the wooden building has less
  concentrated, crushing weight. Brick
  buildings will break into individual bricks.
  Bricks will cause many injuries but less
  squashed bodies than concrete slabs.
  4) If you are in bed during the night and an
  earthquake occurs, simply roll off the bed. A
  safe void will exist around the bed. Hotels
  can achieve a much greater survival rate in
  earthquakes, simply by posting a sign on the
  back of the door of every room telling
  occupants to lie down on the floor, next to
  the bottom of the bed during an earthquake.
  5) If an earthquake happens and you cannot
  easily escape by getting out the door or
  window, then lie down and curl up in the
  foetal position next to a sofa, or large chair.
  6) Most everyone who gets under a
  doorway when buildings collapse is killed.
  How? If you stand under a doorway and the
  doorjamb falls forward or backward you will
  be crushed by the ceiling above. If the door
  jam falls sideways you will be cut in half by
  the doorway. In either case, you will be
  killed!
  7) Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a
  different 

Re: [Biofuel] surviving building collapse

[Kirk McLoren]

If it saves one child.
  How sad it is we were all taught to get under our desk.
  As he said - how obscene. Murdered by misinformation.
   
  Kirk

robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Kirk McLoren wrote:
TRRIIAANNGGLLEE OOFF LLIIFFEE
  (EARTHQUAKES)
  This is most definitely worth reading.

Indeed!  It makes a LOT of sense, too.  I grew up in earthquake country and 
habitually pressed myself into a door frame whenever I was inside.  I can 
remember one night when a particularly powerful earthquake hit that the nails 
in the house frame creaked and groaned under the strain.  I found it extremely 
hard to stay pressed into the doorway.  I've also been outside and have seen 
the ground rolling at me like waves on the ocean.  It's EXTREMELY disconcerting 
to watch the ground ripple like that!

Thanks for posting this, Kirk!


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for Your Mind  http://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Page  
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Re: [Biofuel] surviving building collapse

[Kirk McLoren]

If structures were seen as boats instead of anchored in the soil they could 
be safer. A friend of mine did that in So California. He had the cement 
foundation sitting on rocks so it could slide. A flexible connection on the 
utilities allowed movement and the next quake he had zero damage vs cracked 
foundations in his neighbors houses.
   
  Kirk

robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Kirk McLoren wrote:

 If it saves one child.
 How sad it is we were all taught to get under our desk.
 As he said - how obscene. Murdered by misinformation.


We were taught several things about earthquake survival as 
children. In addition to stored food, water and a portable radio, we 
needed to have shoes by the bed and we were supposed to stay away from 
windows. Flying glass causes a lot of injury, and without shoes, feet 
cut easily on sharp debris. We were warned to NEVER leave a building 
while the ground was shaking, and to exit with great care (look up 
before going out) to avoid getting hit by fascia or other debris falling 
from above. We were told to stay away from stairs and elevators, too. 
If outside, we were to look for open ground, avoiding powerlines and any 
building higher than a single story, if possible, and to stay low. 
(I've almost been knocked off my feet by an earthquake!) If we were 
driving, we were supposed to pull off the road and get out of the car 
and onto the shoulder. (This also allows easier access for emergency 
vehicles.)

Much of this advice makes sense. Houses and schools where I grew up 
tended to be single storey buildings. Very little of the construction 
involved concrete, save for stem walls in the foundations. If the roof 
is lightweight, pressing into a doorway (the strongest part of the house 
frame) made sense, as long as I put my back to the hinge so that the 
door wouldn't slam against me. In light of what you've posted here, I 
wouldn't do that now, though!

Where I come from, houses were primarily constructed of wood frames 
that supported thick walls filled with mortared brick. This kind of 
construction fared well in earthquakes because the wood framing allowed 
the houses to flex and sway. (The house I grew up in had been built in 
1928 and survived MANY strong earthquakes without damage.) The biggest 
danger involved chimneys falling into the house. This happened to our 
next door neighbor, but fortunately, no one was hurt.

I don't think there was a conscious effort to misinform. We were 
once told to put our noses to the floor while trying to escape from 
fires, too, until people began dying from inhaling all of the heavy, 
off-gassing of modern carpets and drapes. We should be willing to adapt 
when new information is presented.

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Re: [Biofuel] surviving building collapse

[Kirk McLoren]

they didnt see the bottom.
  Quite right - not approved method.
  I had to agree though - if the structure is strong enough to act like a 
boat it is superior to the established practice.
   
  Kirk

Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  how did he get /that/ one past code??
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  From: Kirk McLoren 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] surviving building collapse
  

  If structures were seen as boats instead of anchored in the soil they could 
be safer. A friend of mine did that in So California. He had the cement 
foundation sitting on rocks so it could slide. A flexible connection on the 
utilities allowed movement and the next quake he had zero damage vs cracked 
foundations in his neighbors houses.
   
  Kirk

robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Kirk McLoren wrote:

 If it saves one child.
 How sad it is we were all taught to get under our desk.
 As he said - how obscene. Murdered by misinformation.


We were taught several things about earthquake survival as 
children. In addition to stored food, water and a portable radio, we 
needed to have shoes by the bed and we were supposed to stay away from 
windows. Flying glass causes a lot of injury, and without shoes, feet 
cut easily on sharp debris. We were warned to NEVER leave a building 
while the ground was shaking, and to exit with great care (look up 
before going out) to avoid getting hit by fascia or other debris falling 
from above. We were told to stay away from stairs and elevators, too. 
If outside, we were to look for open ground, avoiding powerlines and any 
building higher than a single story, if possible, and to stay low. 
(I've almost been knocked off my feet by an earthquake!) If we were 
driving, we were supposed to pull off the road and get out of the car 
and onto the shoulder. (This also allows easier access for emergency 
vehicles.)

Much of this advice makes sense. Houses and schools where I grew up 
tended to be single storey buildings. Very little of the construction 
involved concrete, save for stem walls in the foundations. If the roof 
is lightweight, pressing into a doorway (the strongest part of the house 
frame) made sense, as long as I put my back to the hinge so that the 
door wouldn't slam against me. In light of what you've posted here, I 
wouldn't do that now, though!

Where I come from, houses were primarily constructed of wood frames 
that supported thick walls filled with mortared brick. This kind of 
construction fared well in earthquakes because the wood framing allowed 
the houses to flex and sway. (The house I grew up in had been built in 
1928 and survived MANY strong earthquakes without damage.) The biggest 
danger involved chimneys falling into the house. This happened to our 
next door neighbor, but fortunately, no one was hurt.

I don't think there was a conscious effort to misinform. We were 
once told to put our noses to the floor while trying to escape from 
fires, too, until people began dying from inhaling all of the heavy, 
off-gassing of modern carpets and drapes. We should be willing to adapt 
when new information is presented.

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Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me

[Kirk McLoren]

Wish that was in my town instead of McDonalds.
  23 pounds in a month is amazing as well.
  We are obese as a nation because of the high glycemic diet we eat.
  Eating good food would be sane behaviour.
   
  Kirk

Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  a little bizarre, but there IS a point- i guess...
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  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:12 AM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Localize Me
  

  Have you heard of the documentary Super Size Me?  This guy eats nothing but 
McDonald's for a month.  About dies.  Here's a story from our local newspaper 
about a local restaurant that specializes in local buffalo and elk burgers and 
other local, organically grown produce doing a Localize Me promotion.  I've 
plugged the List in my comments to this story, and I'm embarrassed, but not 
surprised, by many of the comments to this story.  What can you expect from a 
town wherein resides an institution of higher learning, ie university. Mike 
DuPree 
   
  
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/mar/06/freshfood_dieter_eats_his_way_health/?city_local
   
Fresh-food dieter eats his way to health  By Laura McHugh
  Tuesday, March 6, 2007
  Daniel Fisher enjoys one of his favorite Local Burger dishes. “I’m not really 
a salad guy, but I love that salad. I could eat it every day,” says the former 
fast-food diner. For 30 days, Fisher gave up fast food and ate only at Local 
Burger, 714 Vt.
Mary Dooley, nurse at First Med, 2323 Ridge Court, gives Daniel Fisher some 
good news Monday. In addition to his blood pressure decreasing, Fisher’s weight 
and cholesterol levels have also dropped significantly.

  Thirty days of fresh food can do a body good.
  At least, that’s what worked for 29-year-old Daniel Fisher.
  On Jan. 25, the self-proclaimed fast-food junkie quit his habit, replacing 
chain restaurants with Lawrence’s Local Burger. The downtown restaurant 
specializes in locally grown, organic meats and produce.
  “I’ve lost 23 or 24 pounds, and I can feel it. I feel great,” Fisher said. “I 
have a lot more energy than I used to.”
  Local Burger’s owner, Hilary Brown, recruited Fisher for the project, which 
she calls “Localize Me,” a play on “Super Size Me,” a movie in which the 
filmmaker eats only McDonald’s fast food for a month.
  “He was wonderful about sticking to the program and just being committed to 
this journey,” Brown said.
  That journey was to eat only Local Burger, three meals a day, for an entire 
month. At first, Fisher worried the healthy fare would not satisfy his 
super-sized appetite.
  “I thought I was going to starve to death eating little tiny portions, but I 
had a lot of food to eat,” Fisher said.
  Brown taught him not to eat less, but better.
  “I think it’s time for people to be aware of what they’re eating,” Brown 
said. “It doesn’t have to taste bad to be healthy, and it doesn’t have to be 
fat-free to be healthy.”
  When Fisher went in for his final lab results Monday, his physician was 
surprised by the results. Not only had Fisher’s weight dropped from 295 to 272 
pounds, but his cholesterol level plummeted from 285 to 166.
  “I couldn’t imagine that someone could change their diet and in 30 days could 
drop their cholesterol that much,” Dr. David Dunlap said.
  In addition, Fisher’s blood pressure, heart rate and blood sugar levels 
decreased.
  “I guess I just want people to know you can change the quality of the food 
you’re eating, and that you can change your health dramatically in a very short 
amount of time,” Brown said.
  But Fisher isn’t ready to call it quits just yet. He hopes to get down to 200 
pounds. Because he didn’t cheat during the first 30 days, he knows he has the 
willpower to do it. To keep him on track, Brown offered him 50 percent off her 
menu prices until he reaches that goal.
  “We’ve taken the first steps. I just have to keep it going,” he said.


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Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me

[Kirk McLoren]

If you could rely on food services making healthy choices that would be great. 
But all the corporations I know buy the cheapest crap oils and use them till 
they are oxidised to the point of rancid. Shelf life and cost. Salad oils will 
be canola usually and instead of lard hydrogenated vegetable oil.
  We know trans fats are a problem but that news has yet to be operated on by 
corporations.
  Our local hospital hired a nutritionist with a brain and the cafeteria now 
has organic and omega3 etc.
  Amazing. The only public eatery I know of though - the rest use crisco.
   
  Kirk

Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If one chooses not to keep appliances for cooking or storing food, 
eating out all the time could make sense. If one lives alone, or the 
schedule means they are seldom at home for meals, this could even make 
financial sense. No refrigerator, no freezer, no stove, no energy bill 
associated with those activities, no grocery bill, no worries about food 
spoiling. No need for a kitchen, saves living space. Just skipping the 
trips for groceries appeals to me, not to mention cooking for others 
with dynamic schedules.

Actually, most dormitories I have experienced are based on this premise 
(no kitchen, all meals taken at food service locations of some kind). 
May apply to other situations as well.

Just my 2 cents.

Darryl

Jason Katie wrote:
 
 eating at a restaurant three times a day doesnt really make sense to me. 
 seems that the benefits of localized food would be somewhat diminished 
 when it is produced in large amounts like that, because even with the 
 best quality stock, they are still on a time budget, and would have to 
 at least skim corners, if not cut them entirely. i think good food is 
 best prepared in the home, or at least in a place where there isnt such 
 a rush to finish cooking. i dont mean what they are reporting is bad, 
 just a little off kilter.
 
 - Original Message -
 *From:* MK DuPree 
 *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:02 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me
 
 What do you feel is bizarre and wonder if there is a point,
 Jason? Mike
 
 - Original Message -
 *From:* Jason Katie 
 *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:03 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me
 
 a little bizarre, but there IS a point- i guess...
 
 - Original Message -
 *From:* MK DuPree 
 *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 
 *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:12 AM
 *Subject:* [Biofuel] Localize Me
 
 Have you heard of the documentary Super Size Me? This guy
 eats nothing but McDonald's for a month. About dies. 
 Here's a story from our local newspaper about a local
 restaurant that specializes in local buffalo and elk burgers
 and other local, organically grown produce doing a Localize
 Me promotion. I've plugged the List in my comments to this
 story, and I'm embarrassed, but not surprised, by many of
 the comments to this story. What can you expect from a town
 wherein resides an institution of higher learning, ie
 university. Mike DuPree
 
 http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/mar/06/freshfood_dieter_eats_his_way_health/?city_local
 
 
 
 
 Fresh-food dieter eats his way to health
 
 By * Laura McHugh *
 
 
 Tuesday, March 6, 2007
 
 Daniel Fisher enjoys one of his favorite Local Burger
 dishes. “I’m not really a salad guy, but I love that salad.
 I could eat it every day,” says the former fast-food diner.
 For 30 days, Fisher gave up fast food and ate only at Local
 Burger, 714 Vt.
 
 Mary Dooley, nurse at First Med, 2323 Ridge Court, gives
 Daniel Fisher some good news Monday. In addition to his
 blood pressure decreasing, Fisher’s weight and cholesterol
 levels have also dropped significantly.
 
 Thirty days of fresh food can do a body good.
 
 At least, that’s what worked for 29-year-old Daniel Fisher.
 
 On Jan. 25, the self-proclaimed fast-food junkie quit his
 habit, replacing chain restaurants with Lawrence’s Local
 Burger. The downtown restaurant specializes in locally
 grown, organic meats and produce.
 
 “I’ve lost 23 or 24 pounds, and I can feel it. I feel
 great,” Fisher said. “I have a lot more energy than I used to.”
 
 Local Burger’s owner, Hilary Brown, recruited Fisher for the
 project, which she calls “Localize Me,” a play on “Super
 Size Me,” a movie in which the filmmaker eats only
 McDonald’s fast food for a month.
 
 “He was wonderful about sticking to the program and just
 being committed to this journey,” Brown said.
 
 That journey was to eat only Local Burger, three meals a
 day, for an entire month. At first, Fisher worried the
 healthy fare would not satisfy his super-sized appetite.
 
 “I thought I was going to starve to death eating little tiny
 portions, but I had a lot of food to eat,” Fisher said.
 
 Brown taught him not to eat less, but better.
 
 “I think it’s time for people to be aware of what they’re
 eating,” Brown said. “It doesn’t have to 

Re: [Biofuel] Termites - Re: Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

[Kirk McLoren]

 environmental
cost, and the same applies to the CAFO livestock production system
itself. Check out how carbon-neutral industrialised grain turns out
to be. Pastured livestock eat forage.

With CAFOs most of the methane emissions result from the manure
storage, especially in with pigs. With pastured livestock, especially
with rotational pasture, the manure provides the soil fertility to
produce multiple following crops, displaces the need for fossil-fuel
based chemical fertilisers, and does so at a healthy profit. Such
pasture soils sequester very large amounts of carbon.

I think the meat industry would account for a lot more than a paltry
33 million cars' worth of GHGs. Well so what, it doesn't have any
future anyway, any more than the rest of the industrial agriculture
disaster does. It's fossil-fuel dependent every step of the way, and
measured in food miles that comes to a hell of a long way. It'll bust
all their bottom-lines when carbon accounting starts hitting the
global trade it depends on, the insane distribution system, the
processing. Apart from all of which CAFOs have become a major
bio-hazard.

No need for it anyway. The future is small, sustainable, family-run
mixed farms with integrated crop and livestock production, low input,
high output, local markets.

Best

Keith


 

Terry Dyck

 

From: Kirk McLoren 
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:45:14 -0800 (PST)

The message is - It isnt really that important. If it were I 
 

would do it.
 

So how true is it - at least to him.
If it doent motivate him maybe he knows something we dont.
So of all people to squander energy it shouldnt be him.

You might want to look into Cripple Creek Coal which he is on the
board of directors.

Kirk

Tom Irwin wrote:
 Hi Kirk and all,
When the message cannot be attacked then attack the messenger. Ok,
so Gore doesn´t walk the talk. How many of us do? We try to, but
there is a long way to go for most everyone in the developed world.
It´s the message that´s inportant, not the man.
Tom Irwin





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To: biofuel 
Subject: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:57:43 -0800 (PST)
 



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You can download the plans free.
  Also a how to make the blades.
  Hugh is the real deal.
   
  http://www.scoraigwind.com/
   
  http://practicalaction.org/docs/energy/pmg_manual.pdf
  plans
  

D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  This site has the magnets and wire too...

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Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time

[Kirk McLoren]

In California a physician  can treat cancer with
  1.surgery
  2 chemotherapy
  3 radiation
   
  anything else is a felony.
  That is because the allopaths have outlawed non allopathic medicine.
   
  Kirk

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Well Medicine has become very technical.  I don't think you can separate the 
two in the case of western medicine. The DIY factor is still there though in 
terms of alternative medicinejust trying to answer your question and seem 
hopeful at the same time;)
there's always hope!!

Joe

MK DuPree wrote:
  No argument, Joe, so how does technical freedom enhance medical freedom?  
Technical freedom could easily mean the freedom to create genetically modified 
seed, food, people.  But then, same could be said for medical freedom.  Perhaps 
the whole business of freedom is a ruse.  Thanks, D, for leading us into this 
quagmire of despair and unrelenting bullshit...:P 
- Original Message - 
  From: Joe Street 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 12:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time
  

Yes this is effectively what is happening, but on the other hand the techie 
types that turn the wheels in the high tech arena are also people with a 
personal life and there are plenty of them that don't just twiddle their thumbs 
at home.  This is why there is such a plethora of do it yerself information on 
the web.  We have been reading lately about plans to restrict, control, and 
censor the flow of information on the web and obviously it is to serve the 
denial of privelige you refer to but I believe it is impossible now.  The net 
has already taken on a life of it's own so it will morph as necessary to adapt 
to the situation and preserve the freedom it needs.

Joe

MK DuPree wrote:
DIV {   MARGIN: 0px  }  That's all well and good, Dawie, but, 
imo, your broadening the focus of the post averts attention from the point of 
the post that our medical freedom is under intense fire thereby harming the 
post by changing the subject.  I know this isn't your intent, but as they say, 
the road to hell is paved with good intentions.  How does technological freedom 
enhance our medical freedom?  Help us out here and show us how technological 
freedom enhances medical freedom.  Thanks.  Mike DuPree
- Original Message - 
  From: Dawie Coetzee 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time
  

I would broaden that to technological freedom. With apologies: Unless we 
put technological freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when 
manufacture will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art 
of making to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others: ... Isn't 
that exactly what has happened?   -D

  - Original Message 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Wednesday, 28 February, 2007 2:53:23 PM
Subject: Biofuel Digest, Vol 22, Issue 94

  From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message: 4
Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come 
when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art 
of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others: The 
Constitution of this Republic should make a special privilege for medical 
freedom as well as religious freedom. 
  - Dr. Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence
   
  I think what we have here in the USA is deadly medicine for all thanks to the 
FDA, the AMA, and
Big Pharma along with a very cooperative Congress. Medicine here seems to be 
for population
culling, profiteering, and control.   D. Mindock





  
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Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

[Kirk McLoren]

What does this mean, Kirk, it's not very clear: The message is - It 
isnt really that important. If it were I would do it.
   
  That is Gores message. It isnt worth doing. Things worth doing get done. 
Especially if it is just for ambiance.
  I can understand keeping the house at 77 instead of opening the windows to 85 
evening air. Thats human. Selfish - but human.
  But to carry the message we are killing the planet and indulge in nat gas 
ambiance - that is incomprehensible. It means in his heart it is a no sale. or 
he is mad as a hatter.
   
  Kirk

Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  :-)

Spin sure works well huh? See how easy it is to distract and redirect 
attention from what matters to what doesn't. And how nobody thinks to 
apply the same thinking to the Tennessee Center for Policy Research, 
for instance, or to see how well the epithets they throw at Gore 
might apply to them, to those whose pockets they're in, and indeed 
generally to the so-called free market that they espouse. Where 
exactly is the Tennessee Center for Policy Research coming from? From 
the American Enterprise Institute, for one.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=American_Enterprise_Institute
American Enterprise Institute - SourceWatch

There's a lot about where the AEI is coming from in the list 
archives. See how deep you can dig before you hit ExxonMobil and all 
the rest of the usual suspects.

What sort of lamps do they have burning in their yard, do you think?

Thought we'd've learnt a little more here by now.

What does this mean, Kirk, it's not very clear: The message is - It 
isnt really that important. If it were I would do it.

What exactly would you do if what were?

Best

Keith


Weakness?
gas lamps in the yard are not an indulgance in driving a bit too 
fast or fogetting to turn off the light in the kitchen.
If you dont see anything wrong with that then I suppose you would 
accept Bush as a spokesman for civil liberty
and honesty in politics.

Kirk

Terry Dyck wrote:

Hi Kirk,

When a do gooder becomes as famous as Al Gore there are always going to be
people who will point out weeknesses that he may have. On the other hand I
am looking at the good that Al Gore has done at educating the public about
Global Warming. The Live Earth concert that Al Gore is doing on July 7,
2007 on 7 continents will be one of the best things to educate people and
make them aware of GHG s. Billions of people will watch this 24 hour
concert all over this planet.
When it comes to walking the walk, some people have done this and the media
hasn't really picked up on it. In Canada the national leader of the N.D.P
federal political party, Jack Layton, bikes to work and has solar power and
heating in his home and does other green things but this is not known by
very many people. On the other hand the Prime Minister of Canada gets lots
of publicity about green issues and doesn't do much in the way of actions.

Terry Dyck


 From: Kirk McLoren
 Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 To: biofuel
 Subject: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:57:43 -0800 (PST)
 
 
 
  st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
  Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth': While telling the rest of us to cut
 back, he uses 20 times more energy to run his house than everyone else…
  http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=nation_worldid=5072659
 
  Heated pools…electronic gates…gas lanterns in yard…and $30,000 a year in
 utility bills. How do you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e?
 
  (2/27/07 - NASHVILLE, TN) - Back home in Tennessee, safely ensconced in
 his suburban Nashville home, Vice President Al Gore is no doubt basking in
 the Oscar awarded to An Inconvenient Truth, the documentary he inspired
 and in which he starred. But a local free-market think tank is trying to
 make that very home emblematic of what it deems Gore's environmental
 hypocrisy.
 
  Armed with Gore's utility bills for the last two years, the Tennessee
 Center for Policy Research charged Monday that the gas and electric bills
 for the former vice president's 20-room home and pool house devoured nearly
 221,000 kilowatt-hours in 2006, more than 20 times the national average of
 10,656 kilowatt-hours.
 
  If this were any other person with $30,000-a-year in utility bills, I
 wouldn't care, says the Center's 27-year-old president, Drew Johnson. But
 he tells other people how to live and he's not following his own rules.
 
  Scoffed a former Gore adviser in response: I think what you're seeing
 here is the last gasp of the global warming skeptics. They've completely
 lost the debate on the issue so now they're just attacking their most
 effective opponent.
 
  Kalee Kreider, a spokesperson for the Gores, did not dispute the
 Center's figures, taken as they were from public records. But she pointed
 out that both Al and Tipper Gore work out of their home and she argued that
 the bottom line is that every family has a different carbon footprint. And
 what Vice

[Biofuel] Chemical Risks to Workers

[Kirk McLoren]

  

Chemical Risks to Workers

Do you realize the implications from this dangerous,
and morally depraved act ??? 

POTENTIAL IMPACT OF INDUSTRY LITIGATION ON
COMMUNICATING CHEMICAL RISKS TO WORKERS

The American Society of Safety Engineers (ASSE) has
expressed concern over the recent lawsuit filed by
industry groups challenging the Occupational Safety
and Health Administration’s (OSHA) use of threshold
limit values (TLVs) used to communicate the risk of
exposure limits to chemical hazards through OSHA’s
Hazard Communication Standard (HazCom). 

ASSE is concerned that if successful, this suit could
prevent workers from obtaining the best available
information on chemical exposure limits from employers
under the HazCom standard by preventing the inclusion
of TLVs on material safety data sheets (MSDSs), a
practice that has existed for 25 years. 

“The issue of setting appropriate exposure limits for
dangerous chemicals being used in the workplace is a
difficult one that calls for cooperative efforts,”
said ASSE President Donald S. Jones, Sr., P.E., CSP. 

“We feel OSHA is trying to ensure that employees have
the best scientific data available on exposure limits
to certain hazardous chemicals. 

The lawsuit against OSHA’s use of TLVs in the HazCom
Standard reinforces the need for all stakeholders to
address updating workplace exposure limits, an effort
that may well require direction from Congress as well
as leadership from OSHA.

For more information please go to www.asse.org 

To view complete release go to
http://www.asse.org/newsroom/release.php?pressRelease773

SOURCE The American Society of Safety Engineers
Nicole Camiola
New Equipment Digest
Online Content Editor
Filed under: OSHA, MSDS, ASSE, American Society of
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[Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

[Kirk McLoren]

st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }  
  Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth':  While telling the rest of us to cut back, he 
uses 20 times more energy to run his house than everyone else…
  http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=nation_worldid=5072659
   
  Heated pools…electronic gates…gas lanterns in yard…and $30,000 a year in 
utility bills.  How do you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e?
   
  (2/27/07 - NASHVILLE, TN) - Back home in Tennessee, safely ensconced in his 
suburban Nashville home, Vice President Al Gore is no doubt basking in the 
Oscar awarded to An Inconvenient Truth, the documentary he inspired and in 
which he starred. But a local free-market think tank is trying to make that 
very home emblematic of what it deems Gore's environmental hypocrisy.
   
  Armed with Gore's utility bills for the last two years, the Tennessee Center 
for Policy Research charged Monday that the gas and electric bills for the 
former vice president's 20-room home and pool house devoured nearly 221,000 
kilowatt-hours in 2006, more than 20 times the national average of 10,656 
kilowatt-hours.
   
  If this were any other person with $30,000-a-year in utility bills, I 
wouldn't care, says the Center's 27-year-old president, Drew Johnson. But he 
tells other people how to live and he's not following his own rules.
   
  Scoffed a former Gore adviser in response: I think what you're seeing here 
is the last gasp of the global warming skeptics. They've completely lost the 
debate on the issue so now they're just attacking their most effective 
opponent.
   
  Kalee Kreider, a spokesperson for the Gores, did not dispute the Center's 
figures, taken as they were from public records. But she pointed out that both 
Al and Tipper Gore work out of their home and she argued that the bottom line 
is that every family has a different carbon footprint. And what Vice President 
Gore has asked is for families to calculate that footprint and take steps to 
reduce and offset it. 
   
  A carbon footprint is a calculation of the CO2 fossil fuel emissions each 
person is responsible for, either directly because of his or her transportation 
and energy consumption or indirectly because of the manufacture and eventual 
breakdown of products he or she uses. (You can calculate your own carbon 
footprint on the website http://www.carbonfootprint.com/)
   
  The vice president has done that, Kreider argues, and the family tries to 
offset that carbon footprint by purchasing their power through the local Green 
Power Switch program — electricity generated through renewable resources such 
as solar, wind, and methane gas, which create less waste and pollution. In 
addition, they are in the midst of installing solar panels on their home, which 
will enable them to use less power, Kreider added. They also use compact 
fluorescent bulbs and other energy efficiency measures and then they purchase 
offsets for their carbon emissions to bring their carbon footprint down to 
zero.
   
  These efforts did little to impress Johnson. I appreciate the solar panels, 
he said, but he also has natural gas lanterns in his yard, a heated pool, and 
an electric gate. While I appreciate that he's switching out some light bulbs, 
he is not living the lifestyle that he advocates.
   
  The Center claims that Nashville Electric Services records show the Gores in 
2006 averaged a monthly electricity bill of $1,359 for using 18,414 
kilowatt-hours, and $1,461 per month for using 16,200 kilowatt-hours in 2005. 
During that time, Nashville Gas Company billed the family an average of $536 a 
month for the main house and $544 for the pool house in 2006, and $640 for the 
main house and $525 for the pool house in 2005. That averages out to be $29,268 
in gas and electric bills for the Gores in 2006, $31,512 in 2005.
   



 
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Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

[Kirk McLoren]

The message is - It isnt really that important. If it were I would do it.
  So how true is it - at least to him.
  If it doent motivate him maybe he knows something we dont.
  So of all people to squander energy it shouldnt be him.
   
  You might want to look into Cripple Creek Coal which he is on the board of 
directors.
   
  Kirk

Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Kirk and all,
  When the message cannot be attacked then attack the messenger. Ok, so Gore 
doesn´t walk the talk. How many of us do? We try to, but there is a long way to 
go for most everyone in the developed world. It´s the message that´s inportant, 
not the man. 
  Tom Irwin



  

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Date:  Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:57:43 -0800 (PST)
  



  

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Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

[Kirk McLoren]

If he used the power in his business ok but
  natural gas lanterns in his yard
  Those are decorative - if you want light you dont burn a torch.
  So if he wont curb personal indulgance he doesnt believe what he espouses for 
the rest of us..
  Forget weak flesh - how about belief.
  He doesnt believe what he tells us.
  That is a liar not a hypocrite.
  Are we destroying the world or not? for ambiance at his parties?
   
  Kirk
   
   
  
Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Fred Oliff wrote:
 actually to me both are important. I think one of the worst things one can be 
 called is a hypocrite. 

Then you might want to do a bit of reading.

The knee jerk reaction is to recommend Jeremy Lott's
In Defense of Hypocrisy but that's a cheap shot.

There's a paper out there, that I of course can't
find,(I'll dig for it if you are interested), that
some say inspired Neal Stephenson to write this
passage given by one of his more interesting fictional characters
(as if he had any other kind) which goes:

--this is copyrighted work, quoted here in context and under
fair use

“You know, when I was a young man, hypocrisy was deemed the worst of
vices,” Finkle-McGraw said. “It was all because of moral relativism. You
see, in that sort of a climate, you are not allowed to criticise
others—after all, if there is no absolute right and wrong, then what
grounds is there for criticism?”

…

“Now, this led to a good deal of general frustration, for people are
naturally censorious and love nothing better than to criticise others’
shortcomings. And so it was that they seized on hypocrisy and elevated
it from a ubiquitous peccadillo into the monarch of all vices. For, you
see, even if there is no right and wrong, you can find grounds to
criticise another person by contrasting what he has espoused with what
he has actually done. In this case, you are not making any judgment
whatsoever as to the correctness of his views or the morality of his
behaviour—you are merely pointing out that he has said one thing and
done another. Virtually all political discourse in the days of my youth
was devoted to the ferreting out of hypocrisy.

…

“We take a somewhat different view of hypocrisy,” Finkle-McGraw
continued. “In the late-twentieth-century Weltanschauung, a hypocrite
was someone who espoused high moral views as part of a planned campaign
of deception—he never held these beliefs sincerely and routinely
violated them in privacy. Of course, most hypocrites are not like that.
Most of the time it’s a spirit-is-willing, flesh-is-weak sort of thing.”

-end quote-
Neal Stephenson, the Diamond Age.


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Re: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use

[Kirk McLoren]

Weakness?
  gas lamps in the yard are not an indulgance in driving a bit too fast or 
fogetting to turn off the light in the kitchen.
  If you dont see anything wrong with that then I suppose you would accept Bush 
as a spokesman for civil liberty
  and honesty in politics.
   
  Kirk

Terry Dyck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Kirk,

When a do gooder becomes as famous as Al Gore there are always going to be 
people who will point out weeknesses that he may have. On the other hand I 
am looking at the good that Al Gore has done at educating the public about 
Global Warming. The Live Earth concert that Al Gore is doing on July 7, 
2007 on 7 continents will be one of the best things to educate people and 
make them aware of GHG s. Billions of people will watch this 24 hour 
concert all over this planet.
When it comes to walking the walk, some people have done this and the media 
hasn't really picked up on it. In Canada the national leader of the N.D.P 
federal political party, Jack Layton, bikes to work and has solar power and 
heating in his home and does other green things but this is not known by 
very many people. On the other hand the Prime Minister of Canada gets lots 
of publicity about green issues and doesn't do much in the way of actions.

Terry Dyck


From: Kirk McLoren 
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To: biofuel 
Subject: [Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' Power Use
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:57:43 -0800 (PST)



 st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }
 Al Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth': While telling the rest of us to cut 
back, he uses 20 times more energy to run his house than everyone else…
 http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=nation_worldid=5072659

 Heated pools…electronic gates…gas lanterns in yard…and $30,000 a year in 
utility bills. How do you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e?

 (2/27/07 - NASHVILLE, TN) - Back home in Tennessee, safely ensconced in 
his suburban Nashville home, Vice President Al Gore is no doubt basking in 
the Oscar awarded to An Inconvenient Truth, the documentary he inspired 
and in which he starred. But a local free-market think tank is trying to 
make that very home emblematic of what it deems Gore's environmental 
hypocrisy.

 Armed with Gore's utility bills for the last two years, the Tennessee 
Center for Policy Research charged Monday that the gas and electric bills 
for the former vice president's 20-room home and pool house devoured nearly 
221,000 kilowatt-hours in 2006, more than 20 times the national average of 
10,656 kilowatt-hours.

 If this were any other person with $30,000-a-year in utility bills, I 
wouldn't care, says the Center's 27-year-old president, Drew Johnson. But 
he tells other people how to live and he's not following his own rules.

 Scoffed a former Gore adviser in response: I think what you're seeing 
here is the last gasp of the global warming skeptics. They've completely 
lost the debate on the issue so now they're just attacking their most 
effective opponent.

 Kalee Kreider, a spokesperson for the Gores, did not dispute the 
Center's figures, taken as they were from public records. But she pointed 
out that both Al and Tipper Gore work out of their home and she argued that 
the bottom line is that every family has a different carbon footprint. And 
what Vice President Gore has asked is for families to calculate that 
footprint and take steps to reduce and offset it.

 A carbon footprint is a calculation of the CO2 fossil fuel emissions 
each person is responsible for, either directly because of his or her 
transportation and energy consumption or indirectly because of the 
manufacture and eventual breakdown of products he or she uses. (You can 
calculate your own carbon footprint on the website 
http://www.carbonfootprint.com/)

 The vice president has done that, Kreider argues, and the family tries 
to offset that carbon footprint by purchasing their power through the local 
Green Power Switch program — electricity generated through renewable 
resources such as solar, wind, and methane gas, which create less waste and 
pollution. In addition, they are in the midst of installing solar panels 
on their home, which will enable them to use less power, Kreider added. 
They also use compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy efficiency 
measures and then they purchase offsets for their carbon emissions to bring 
their carbon footprint down to zero.

 These efforts did little to impress Johnson. I appreciate the solar 
panels, he said, but he also has natural gas lanterns in his yard, a 
heated pool, and an electric gate. While I appreciate that he's switching 
out some light bulbs, he is not living the lifestyle that he advocates.

 The Center claims that Nashville Electric Services records show the 
Gores in 2006 averaged a monthly electricity bill of $1,359 for using 
18,414 kilowatt-hours, and $1,461 per month for using 16,200 kilowatt-hours 
in 2005. During that time, Nashville Gas Company billed the family an 
average

[Biofuel] vanishing honey bees

[Kirk McLoren]

++
| Vanishing Honeybees Will Affect Future Crops   |
|   from the bee-gone dept.  |
|   posted by kdawson on Tuesday February 27, @14:07 (Bug)   |
|   http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/27/179237   |
++

[0]daninbusiness writes Across the US, beekeepers are finding that 
their
[1]bees are disappearing — not returning while searching for nectar 
and
pollen. This could have a major impact on the food industry in the 
United
States, where as much as $14 billion worth of agriculture business
depends on bees for crop pollination. Reasons for this problem, dubbed
'colony collapse disorder,' are still unknown. Theories include 
viruses,
some type of fungus, poor bee nutrition, and pesticides.

Discuss this story at:
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=07/02/27/179237

Links:
0. http://daninbusiness.blogspot.com/
1. 
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/27/business/27bees.html/partner/rssnyt


 
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[Biofuel] Harsh laws?

[Kirk McLoren]

   

   Harsh laws? 


  


  HARSH YOU SAY??

There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools, no special ballots 
for elections, all government business will be conducted in our language.

Foreigners will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.

Foreigners will NEVER be able to hold political office.

Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, 
no health care, or other government assistance programs.

Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount equal to 40,000 
times the daily minimum wage.

If foreigners do come and want to buy land, that would be allowed, BUT options 
will be restricted. They are not allowed waterfront property. That is reserved 
for citizens naturally born into this country.

Foreigners may not protest -- no demonstrations, no waving a foreign flag, no 
political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies.  Violators 
will be sent home.

People who come to this country illegally will be hunted down and sent straight 
to jail.

Harsh, you say?.

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[Biofuel] This commercial was removed from TV in Australia

[Kirk McLoren]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6GfdyIZcRH4
  Evidently 80 people complained they were afraid of copycat.
  I se it as 80 people who should not be allowed to breed.
  Somewhere 80 villages are looking for their idiot.
  And I thought the US was screwed up.
   
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[Biofuel] free book re fermentation

[Kirk McLoren]

http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC14791359id=XhBtcN8TUv4Cpg=RA1-PA1lpg=RA1-PA1dq=fungias_brr=1#PRA1-PA10,M1
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[Biofuel] Fwd: [LittleHouses] Spiffy little digital timers - cheap

[Kirk McLoren]

rated 10 amperes and has displayed clock
  Kirk

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Might be useful for various projects around the LittleHouse. Although
a phantom load these timers might have redeeming values anyway.

Anyone care to toss around any ideas?

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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [LittleHouses] Spiffy little digital timers - cheap

[Kirk McLoren]

There are AA battery operated timer chips. Use the alarm output to a timer 
circuit. The clck could alarm at midnight and a 6 hour timer enable load to 
6AM.
  over 15 minutes and you should use a counter/digital timer as analogs looking 
at long integration times get a bit unreliable.
   
  Kirk

Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Anyone got a spec on how much power these units draw in order to 
maintain their own clock? It matters.

Let's suppose it draws 6 watts. That's not unreasonable for a 
mass-production LED clock, timer microprocessor that assumes cheap AC 
power is available. That doesn't include whatever power may be consumed 
to turn the controlled circuit on, and keep it on (assuming a solid 
state relay). In a year, that's 53 kWh (6 watts x 24 hours x 365 days / 
1000) of new phantom load.

A correspondent has measured the draw on a common type of clock timer he 
has used - 15 watts continuous draw. That's 10 kWh a month, which would 
make a noticable difference in our household electrical consumption. 
Virtually none of these types of devices provide the power consumption 
spec in their advertising.

So, it comes down to what it will be controlling before we know if it 
provides a net benefit. (Also it appears this unit does not provide the 
standard AC plug and outlet, so those would have to be added, unless 
this will be hard wired into the device power supply wiring).

Come summer, I will likely be looking for an outdoor-rated timer which 
will handle 15 amps and provide both a turn-on and turn-off time. This 
is to control the charger on my electric car once time-of-use (interval) 
pricing becomes a reality here (not holding my breath). (While my 
daughter continues to reside here, I would also like to find something 
of that sort which would control the electric dryer so it could only 
function at off-peak times. That's a 240-volt, high-current load.)

Darryl

Kirk McLoren wrote:
 rated 10 amperes and has displayed clock
 Kirk
 
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[Biofuel] Power of Nightmares - BBC

[Kirk McLoren]

http://www.wanttoknow.info/powerofnightmares
   
  Google video also has all 3 parts produced by the BBC.
   
  politics and manipulation and lies lies lies. What a world.
  These manipulators need to be held responsible.
   

 
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[Biofuel] LED light bulbs

[Kirk McLoren]

http://www.ccrane.com/lights/led-light-bulbs/index.aspx
   
  Some nifty lights.
  Dont think I agree with the economic analysis near bottom of page though.
   
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[Biofuel] Learning from Cuba's response to peak oil

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Re: [Biofuel] Pasteurised raw milk?

[Kirk McLoren]

If the system has touched it it is denatured and toxic.
  Meat is worse. It is injected with so much solution that pan frying a burger 
results in boiled meat.
  Also I dont feel well the next day. Our homegrown beef does not do this and 
isnt toxic.
  You can feel and taste the difference.
   
  Kirk

Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Seems your organic raw milk might be pasteurised anyway.

http://www.strausfamilycreamery.com/?id=34
Pasteurization

:-(

Francis Pottenger, where are you when we need you?

Best

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[Biofuel] negative ions

[Kirk McLoren]

December 30, 1990

NEGION.ASC
 This 
article is from raum  zeit (Space  Time), Vol. 1, No. 5, 1989/90, page 85.

Subscriptions are available for $59.00 per year in the continental United 
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Why are Negative Ions So Healthy?

Lenard (1915) found that when water is atomized (e.g. on impact of a water 
droplet), negative and positive charges are SEPARATED.

Molecules which are torn from the surface of the water bear a NEGATIVE charge 
(small negative ions) whereas large drops or the entire mass of water are 
POSITIVE.

This provided an unexpected explanation for the refreshing, invigorating effect 
of residences close to a waterfall or spring, or even after rain.

Some of these reactions which IMPROVE WELL-BEING and physical and mental 
capacity have since become known.

1) Negative ions ACCELERATE the OXIDATIVE DEGRADATION of serotonin whereas 
POSITIVE ions have the opposite action and INACTIVATE the ENZYMES which BREAK 
DOWN SEROTONIN.

2) An INCREASE in the serotonin level (5-hydroxytryptamine) PRODUCES

a) tachycardia,
b) a rise in blood pressure,
c) bronchospasm going as far as ASTHMA ATTACK,
d) increased INTESTINAL PERISTALSIS (contractions and dilations of the 
intestines to move the contents onwards),
e) increased SENSITIVITY to pain,
f) increased AGGRESSION.

3) A DECREASE in the serotonin level is CALMING and INCREASES DEFENSES AGAINST 
INFECTION (as proven with influenza 'the flu').

4) Negative ions produce an INCREASE in hemoglobin/oxygen affinity so that the 
partial oxygen pressure in the blood rises but the partial carbon dioxide 
pressure DECREASES.

This results in REDUCED RESPIRATORY RATE and ENHANCES the METABOLISM of 
water-soluble vitamins.

In addition, negative ions produce an INCREASE in PH and, in particular, an 
INCREASE in the SECRETORY performance of the MUCOSA with an INCREASE in CILIARY 
MOVEMENT in the airways.

According to the studies of Fleischer and Pantlitschko, negative ions probably 
also IMPROVE BLOOD FLOW by increasing the release of proteolytic enzymes with 
fibrinolytic activity.

Wordens studied the adrenals of golden hamsters kept under the same 
experimental conditions. The adrenals of animals treated with POSITIVE ions 
weighed 33% LESS than the adrenals of animals treated with normal respiratory 
air.

On the other hand, the weight of the adrenals from golden hamsters treated with 
NEGATIVE ions was 29% HIGHER.

Olivereau found a 30% ENLARGEMENT of adrenals in rats after 20 days of 
treatment with NEGATIVE ions. This finding suggests that the ability of the 
adrenals to produce glucocorticoids is REDUCED by POSITIVE ions and INCREASED 
by NEGATIVE ions.

Considerable INCREASE in VITAL CAPACITY were observed by M.A. Vytchikova and A. 
Minkh in 1959, with the maintenance of blood sugar and blood oxygen levels.

Thus, in a group of 9 sports students, Minkh found that ergometer endurance was 
INCREASED by 260% in 32 days compared with a normal control group following the 
INHALATION for 15 minutes DAILY of air enriched with 1.5 million NEGATIVE small 
ions per centimeter.

Even before the 1976 Olympics, air ionization in the sleeping quarters of team 
members was used to improve performance in sports centres in the USSR and the 
GDR [M. Jokl, Prague].

Studies by Altmann in 1975 clearly show that the performance of school children 
can, for example, be CONSIDERABLY INCREASED by changing the electrical 
conditions of the rooms. Comparable effects have also been achieved by the use 
of IONIZED AIR.

According to the latest information in the fields of medicine, biology and 
meteorology, it can be definitively established that atmospheric ions have a 
biological effect.

Atmospheric electrical factors are a component of our environment and we humans 
are clearly affected by ELECTRO-IONIC MICROCLIMATES to a far greater extent 
than previously imagined.

This finding acquires particular significance since, as a result of artificial 
air conditioning (e.g. atmospheric pollution, buildings, air-conditioning 
units, heating, electrical installations, plastics), civilized man spends 
50-100% of his time in an UNNATURALLY CHARGED ELECTROCLIMATE.

In cities, in closed rooms and in cars, etc., the proportion of small negative 
ions in the atmosphere is markedly reduced compared with undisturbed nature.

An atmosphere with an EXCESS of NEGATIVE ions, such as frequently arise under 
open sky, usually INDUCES a complete VEGETATIVE TURN- AROUND within twenty days.

In the curative phase of this total turn-around, the vegetative nervous system 
is normally RESTORED and the course of infectious diseases is essentially 
ATTENUATED (weakened) and (healing is) ACCELERATED.

Re: [Biofuel] negative ions

[Kirk McLoren]

The normal Ion count in fresh country air is 2,000 to 4,000 negative Ions per 
cubic centimeter (about the size of a sugar cube). At Yosemite Falls, you'll 
experience over 100,000 negative Ions per cubic centimeter. On the other hand, 
the level is far below 100 per cubic centimeter on the Los Angeles freeways 
during rush hour.

   
  
http://www.negativeiongenerators.com/negativeions.html
  Today all burn cases at Northeastern are immediately put in a windowless, ion 
conditioned room. In ten minutes, usually, the pain has gone. Patients are left 
in the room for 30 minutes. The treatment is repeated three times every 24 
hours. In 85 percents of the cases no pain-deadening narcotics are needed. Says 
Northeastern's Dr. Robert McGowan, Negative ions make burns dry out faster, 
heal faster and with less scarring. They also reduce the need for 
skin-grafting. They make the patient more optimistic. He sleeps better.
  Encouraged by this success in burn therapy, Dr. Kornblueh, Dr. J. R. 
Minehart, Northeastern's chief surgeon, and his associate Dr. T. A. David 
boldly tried negative ions in relief of deep, postoperative pain. During an 
eight month test period they exposed 138 patients to negative ions on the first 
and second days after surgery. Dr. Kornblueh has just announced the results at 
a London congress of bioclimatologists. In 79 cases 57 percent of the total 
negative ions eliminated or drastically reduced pain. At first, says Dr. 
Minehart, I thought it was voodoo. Now I'm convinced that it's real and 
revolutionary.
   
  http://amasci.com/emotor/kelvin.html
   
  this page tells how to build a water drop high voltage generator. I get the 
impression the charge on waterfall droplets results because the environment is 
charged. The droplet charge is influenced by that. If the sky is positive and 
the earth negative the droplets would be influenced to be negative. Repulsion 
from the earth and attraction from the sky.
  Whats your theory? The fact they are charged is empirical evidence. 
   
  Philip Gwinnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  P  {  margin:0px;  padding:0px  }  body  {  FONT-SIZE: 10pt;  
FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma  }I don't follow either. If water (or any molecule for 
that matter) started deconstructing on impact we'd be in deep shit. Maybe these 
people know the secret of cold fusion too - perhaps can it be carried out with 
an umbrella.
 
Philip Gwinnell
Hainan Bioenergy




  
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 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:07:19 -0500
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] negative ions
 
 Ok could you explain again how the pulverization of water results in 
 ionization (of a molecule?)
 I don't follow.
 
 Joe
 
 Kirk McLoren wrote:
 
  December 30, 1990
 
  NEGION.ASC
   
  This article is from raum  zeit (Space  Time), Vol. 1, No. 5, 
  1989/90, page 85.
 
  Subscriptions are available for $59.00 per year in the continental 
  United States.
 
  raum  zeit Telephone : 714-240-3775
  P.O. Box 3370 FAX : 714-493-9759
  San Clemente, California Managing Editor : Chrystyne Jackson 92672 U.S.A.
 
  
 
  Why are Negative Ions So Healthy?
 
  Lenard (1915) found that when water is atomized (e.g. on impact of a 
  water droplet), negative and positive charges are SEPARATED.
 
  Molecules which are torn from the surface of the water bear a NEGATIVE 
  charge (small negative ions) whereas large drops or the entire mass of 
  water are POSITIVE.
 
  
 
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Over unity? Shock waves and steam heat

[Kirk McLoren]

Lets hope there is more improvement. Using the electricity in a common 
commercial heatpump could net you 350% of the hot water resistance heating 
would get you.
   
  Kirk

D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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  Shock waves and steam heat

For more than two years debate has raged on the Internet about an 
ordinary-looking metal drum sitting on the concrete floor of a factory building 
in Rome, Georgia, 50 miles from Atlanta. Its inventor, the man about whom the 
Internet debate is raging, is James Griggs, an industrial heating engineer.  
The invention that has brought Griggs such notoriety is a device that he began 
developing in 1987, that he calls the 'Hydrosonic Pump' and that many of his 
supporters believe is over-unity, in that it generates around 30 per cent more 
energy as heat than is put in as electricity. 
  To the skeptics, the Griggs Gadget is, at best, a case of self-delusion on a 
grand scale, and, at worst, a case of scientific fraud. To his supporters, the 
pump is the first unequivocal public demonstration of undoubted over-unity.
  Jim Griggs told me, 'the pump is based on a theory of what takes place when a 
shock wave is created in a fluid. We know that when you create a shock wave in 
a liquid there is a minute amount of energy released into the fluid in the form 
of heat.'
  'Most of the previous studies had been done in how to eliminate that shock 
wave, instead of putting the heat to a useful purpose. We've designed a system 
to take the shock-wave heat energy, capture it, and produce hot water or steam.'
  Griggs believes that his device works on perfectly normal principles and 
violates no laws of physics. Just what happens when the Hydrosonic pump is 
filled up with water and switched on is described by over-unity investigator 
Jed Rothwell who conducted a detailed engineering investigation of the device 
in January 1994.
  'During one of the demonstrations we watched,' he says, 'over a 20 minute 
period, 4.80 Kilowatt Hours of electricity was input, and 19,050 BTUs of heat 
evolved, which equals 5.58 Kilowatt Hours, or 117 per cent of input. The actual 
input to output ratio was even better than this, when you take into account the 
inefficiencies of the electric motor.'
  But if there are kilowatts of excess heat available, why doesn't Griggs 
simply use the steam to turn a turbine-generator and connect the output to the 
input -- thus getting a perpetual motion machine?
  One reason is that converting steam into electricity is an extremely 
inefficient process. You would be lucky to convert 5 per cent of the output 
heat energy back into electricity -- and 2 per cent might be nearer the mark. 
The Hydrosonic pump would therefore have to be massively over-unity before you 
could recover enough energy to make it self-sustaining, and at present the 
margin is a 'modest' 30 per cent.
  More importantly, the excess energy does not actually appear at the output 
steam pipe for a constant input of energy. What happens is this; the pump is 
started and after five or ten minutes reaches a steady state where it is 
converting water at room temperature to steam. Once this steady state is 
reached, the pump, according to Griggs, goes into an over-unity mode where the 
output temperature is maintained, but the amount of energy needed at the input 
to maintain it, drops by 30 per cent.
  Griggs has been working with a number of physicists and engineers to try to 
get to the bottom of just how his device works. As well as Jed Rothwell's 
consulting engineering firm in Atlanta he has worked with Professor Keizios, 
dean emeritus of the Department of Mechanical Engineering at Georgia Institute 
of Technology and past president of the American Society of Mechanical 
Engineers. Professor Keizos supervised the design of the instrumentation that 
measures the energy input and output of the Griggs Gadget.
  In a second test, during which the over-unity effect was measured, the 
adjusted co-efficient of power was a remarkable 168 per cent -- the machine 
produced 1.68 times the energy that was input. A third test did nearly as well 
with a Co-efficient of power of 157 per cent.
  If the only evidence for these claims were the colour brochure printed by 
Griggs's company, Hydro Dynamics Corporation Inc., and reports of his 
supporters, then most observers might be inclined to side with the skeptics: 
Griggs's claims seem fundamentally improbable. Yet surprisingly, Griggs has not 
only patented his device and started manufacturing a commercial version on a 
small scale, he has also sold and installed devices to users in the Atlanta 
area.
  The customers include the Atlanta Police Department, a fire station, a dry 
cleaning plant, and a gymnasium. Interestingly, the Hydrosonic pump was 
installed in the public buildings by the county engineer after evaluating the 
device. The buildings are using the device mainly for heating purposes, 

[Biofuel] Fwd: Re: [12VDC_Power] Propane and low speed alternator

[Kirk McLoren]

thought this might be of interest
  Kirk

kd4e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Subject: Re: [12VDC_Power] Propane and low speed alternator

 Then i read about DME
 http://www.greencarcongress.com/2004/11/dimethyl_ether_.html

The thread died back in 2005 after this post:
--
2 moles of methane produce 1 mole DME
I counted the Net Cash Recovery
((product price-raw material price)/raw material price))
and the result is 2,4.
Is it economically feasible?
Or it's just 'environmentally-feasible'?
I'm a student, looking forward for an aswer to my curiousity
--

And this other cited link is dead:
http://www.altfuetechnology.com/

With all of the hype there are likely to be dreamers
and shysters dragging out all manner of miracle fuels
and engines and technologies, some for attention, many
for quick money. Few if any will amount to anything.

Same as in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. Sigh.

Caveat emptor.

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[Biofuel] Fwd: [greenconstruction] Re: where do you go to learn how to build a house with bamboo

[Kirk McLoren]

crosspost
  we just laid bamboo flooring and I am favorably impressed.
   
  Kirk

Bryan C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:35:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [greenconstruction] Re: where do you go to learn how to build a house 
with bamboo

i own Building with Bamboo: A Handbook by Jules J.A. Janssen
and i think it is the best practical guide i have found so far. notice how 
Amazon does not have any b/c it is such a great resource that they can not keep 
many in stock. here http://www.powells.com/biblio/62-9781853392030-1 is where 
i bought the book, while visiting friends in Portland OR. i could not beleive i 
found it in a store, but then i found-out that Powel is that kind of kewl 
bookstore, go figure (West coast USA). problem with most books is that they 
treat Building with Bamboo as a hobby activity and not something serious. You 
might want to try to contact Jules J.A. Janssen and see if you can go to 
Columbia to learn about building with bamboo.

Bamboo Cultivation and Construction   Apr 13-15, 2007 
http://www.thefarm.org/etc/courses.html course. i visited and know that they 
have bamboo growing there. 

March 11-23, Mastatal, Costa Rica.  Natural Building in Costa Rica.  
http://www.yestermorrow.org/courses.htm 888-496-5541. found at 
www.thelaststraw.org/calendarNB.html

http://naturalhomes.org/learning-other.htm
this is the most comprehensive list and includes the above two courses.

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Re: where do you go to learn how to build a house with bamboo
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I don't know 'bout classes/courses on the subject, but there are a few good 
books available. Here's an Amazon.com list on the subject:

http://tinyurl. com/3ys2t9

Brina

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[Biofuel] RFID dust

[Kirk McLoren]

Hitachi's Tiny RFID Chips
from the bugged-dust dept.
posted by kdawson on Thursday February 15, @13:05 (Privacy)
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/15/1715210

  Hitachi has just come out with a new crop of RFID tags, measuring only 1/20 
of a millimeter square. That's 1/8 the size (in linear dimension) of Hitachi's 
currently shipping mu-chips, which are 0.4 mm square. The new chip's width is 
slightly smaller than a human hair. These chips could put an end to shoplifting 
forever, but they could also be used by a governments or other entities to 
'dust' crowds or areas, easily tagging anyone present without their knowledge 
or consent. Will someone come up with a surefire way of neutralizing chips that 
may be on your body or in your clothing? Hard to pin down a source on this. 
The article cites another blog, which points to an article in Japanese. 

 
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Re: [Biofuel] Marijuana Called Top U.S. Cash Crop

[Kirk McLoren]

Too easy to grow your own versus booze which takes knowledge and equipment.
  Thus it wont get legalized.
  George Washington smoked weed and his life was successful.
  I saw the letter where he apologized to a friend re the Christmas hemp - 
sorry I didnt pull the males in time.
That comment is only for smokes.
   
  Kirk
   
  
Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  So let's legalize it,, knock out the drug gangs, and tax it, using the 
taxes to fund rehab programs for those who want to stop.


MK DuPree wrote:

LOL...Courtney is a typical DEA idiot and a complete BONEHEAD...OF COURSE 
THERE ARE NO MOM-POP BONG SHOPS...YOU'VE ALREADY ARRESTED THEM! And, of 
course, if it were legalized, then you would take the Mexican drug 
trafficking group(s) out of the equation, but this makes the argument too 
complicated for this utter numbskull. Mike DuPree PS HONK FOR HEMP!!

- Original Message - 
From: Keith Addison 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:56 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Marijuana Called Top U.S. Cash Crop


 

See Invisible farming:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html#invis

---

Marijuana Production in the United States (2006)
by Jon Gettman

Full text online.
http://www.drugscience.org/bcr/

Entire Report (356 kb pdf)
http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr2/MJCropReport_2006.pdf



http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=2735017page=1
ABC News:
February 14, 2007 | Local News and Weather

Marijuana Called Top U.S. Cash Crop

Marijuana Takes the Pot as Most Valuable Cash Crop in the Country

Marijuana is the top cash crop in 12 states and among the top three
cash crops in 30, according to a new study. (AP Photo )

By NITYA VENKATARAMAN

Dec. 18, 2006

Weeding through the value of the nation's cash crops, a study
released today states that marijuana is the U.S.'s most valuable crop
and promotes the drug's legalization and taxation.

Drug enforcement officials say the equation is not that simple.

The report, Marijuana Production in the United States, by marijuana
policy researcher Jon Gettman, concludes that despite massive
eradication efforts at the hands of the federal government,
marijuana has become a pervasive and ineradicable part of the
national economy.

In the report, Gettman, a marijuana-reform activist and leader of the
Coalition for Rescheduling Cannabis, champions a system of legal
regulation.

Contrasting government figures for traditional crops - like corn and
wheat - against the study's projections for marijuana production, the
report cites marijuana as the top cash crop in 12 states and among
the top three cash crops in 30.

The study estimates that marijuana production, at a value of $35.8
billion, exceeds the combined value of corn ($23.3 billion) and wheat
($7.5 billion).

Pot Tax?

To activists for marijuana legalization, the study confirms a
position they've held for years, and uses government stats to support
their claim.

The fact that marijuana is America's No. 1 cash crop after more than
three decades of governmental eradication efforts is the clearest
illustration that our present marijuana laws are a complete failure,
says Rob Kampia, executive director of the Marijuana Policy Project
in Washington D.C., a group that focuses on removing criminal
penalties for marijuana use.

Kampia, whose comments were included in the study's press release,
adds, Our nation's laws guarantee that 100 percent of the proceeds
from marijuana sales go to unregulated criminals rather than to
legitimate businesses that pay taxes to support schools, police and
roads.

A 2005 analysis by Harvard visiting professor Jeffrey Miron estimates
that if the United States legalized marijuana, the country would save
$7.7 billion in law enforcement costs and could generated as much as
$6.2 billion annually if marijuana were taxed like alcohol or tobacco.

Miron's report on the costs of marijuana prohibition was signed by
more than 500 leading economists, most notably the late Nobel
laureate Milton Friedman, who served as an economist in both the
Nixon and Reagan administrations.

The Dangers of Legalization

Aside from the health debate over legalizing marijuana, Garrison
Courtney, spokesman for the Drug Enforcement Agency, says groups that
advocate its taxation sometimes paint too rosy a picture.

It's still a drug, Courtney says. Just because it's a good cash
crop doesn't mean you should legalize and tax it.

It's not these cute mom-and-pop bong shops anymore, Courtney
continued. It's violent drug-trafficking groups that are doing all
these grows.

Local marijuana growers, he says, are the tentacles of international
drug-trafficking organizations that bring weapons, violence and a
slew of other drugs into the market.

You can't tax a Mexican drug trafficking group, Courtney explains.
That's the side a lot of people don't focus on.


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[Biofuel] Fwd: [12VDC_Power] Re: EEStor ceramic battery to revolutionize electric cars

[Kirk McLoren]

crosspost from 12v
Lots of battery info.
  The ecar is the solution
   
  It will revolutionize the military as well.
  Always a mixed blessing.
  Kirk
   
  
davewheeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Perhaps something will give on this Energy Storage problem soon.
Seems like it's a shame that if they have working models that our 
Government has stood back and let them struggle with such limited 
financing. For a Texas Company to have to go up to Canada
and beg some (nice) but nickle and dime Auto Company to get involved 
speaks volumes about the politics involved. 
If this pans out there should be be a whole lot of shame.

One drawback is the -4 degrees F limit which may require insulation 
and a warmer in certain applications.

Guess it's either snake oil or going to lead to a lot less 
dependence on Terrorist Oil. Big US Corporations can't stop it now.
Ha,ha,ha. I love it.

Perhaps that's why they Had to get Canada into the act.
I'm no expert but my personal view is that Canada doesn't sell their 
own people down the drain over a Buck very easily.
Last I heard they might not have as deluxe of a big money health 
network as the US does - but then again they aren't throwing people 
out on the street to die over no insurance either.
Big buck system only works if you have the bucks. 
Health Insurance is so crooked now that you can't trust that either.
Cost a fellow I know $380,000 to be saved. He didn't want 4th rate 
Surgeons and facilities so he went out of network.
Usual and Customary was $77,000 the Insurance company says.
The other $303,000 was on him.

The fifth link down is from (secretive) EEStor themselves dated
Jan. 16th, 2007. You may have to manually type in any part of the 
links that remain black.


Dave
http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/2006/01/eestor_ultracap.html

http://www.plasticlabels.ca/index_files/compareEVbatteries.htm

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/03/eestor_capacito_1.php

http://blog.tmcnet.com/beyond-voip/green-technology/eestors-amazing-
battery-that-isnt.asp

http://www.zenncars.com/investor/releases/Certification_EEStor_01_16_20
07.pdf

http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/dealflow/archives/2005/09/kleine
r_perkins_1.html

http://www.zenncars.com/

Here's the nickle and dime that this technology had to resort to.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=znn.vd=t


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Re: [Biofuel] photovoltaic energy payback period

[Kirk McLoren]

no I dont 
  sorry
  Kirk

DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you have the other half of the article?  I would like to read the one 
about the Myths of Water rights also!

-dave

Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:56:51 -0800 (PST)
From: Kirk McLoren
To: biofuel 
Subject: [Biofuel] photovoltaic energy payback period


  
http://www.rpc.com.au/products/services/Environmental_Engineer_Summer_06_paper_2.pdf

  excellent discussion of energy payback period for photovoltaics. Saw this url 
posted on 12volt power.

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Re: [Biofuel] Helping Israel Die

[Kirk McLoren]

Israel has a LOT of nukes. The official numbers are crap.
  I place Israel as the number 3 nuclear power - ahead of Britain or France.
  And of all the people on earth likely to use them - they have this 
psychobabbel about 1000 goyem not worth one of their hangnails. If anyone has 
the us - them psychosis working overtime it is Israel.
  Then we have our resident psychotic giving them the green light.
  Very very bad my friends.
  Perhaps some iodine tabs in the medicine cabinet are a good idea.
   If anyone will turn the desert to glass it is the narcisstic twits we have 
as a ruling class.
  Kirk

Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2007/02/09/helping_israel_die.php
TomPaine.com -
Helping Israel Die

Ray McGovern

February 09, 2007

Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, the publishing arm of the 
ecumenical Church of the Saviour in Washington, D.C. He was a CIA 
analyst for 27 years and is on the Steering Group of Veteran 
Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS).

President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are 
unwittingly playing Dr. Jack Kevorkian in helping the state of Israel 
commit suicide. For this is the inevitable consequence of the planned 
air and missile attack on Iran. The pockmarked, littered landscape in 
Iraq, Lebanon and Afghanistan and the endless applicant queues at 
al-Qaeda and other terrorist recruiting stations testify eloquently 
to the unintended consequences of myopic policymakers in Washington 
and Tel Aviv.

Mesmerized. Sadly, this is the best word to describe those of us 
awake to the inexorable march of folly to war with Iran and the 
growing danger to Israel's security, especially over the medium and 
long term. An American and/or Israeli attack on Iran will let slip 
the dogs of war. Those dogs never went to obedience school. They will 
not be denied their chance to bite, and Israel's arsenal of nuclear 
weapons will be powerless to muzzle them.

In my view, not since 1948 has the very existence of Israel hung so 
much in the balance. Can Bush/Cheney and the Israeli leaders not see 
it? Pity that no one seems to have read our first president's warning 
on the noxious effects of entangling alliances. The supreme irony is 
that in their fervor to help, as well as use, Israel, Bush and Cheney 
seem blissfully unaware that they are leading it down a garden path 
and off a cliff.

Provoke and Pre-empt

Whether it is putting the kibosh on direct talks with Iran or between 
Israel and Syria, the influence and motives of the vice president are 
more transparent than those of Bush. Sure, Cheney told CNN's Wolf 
Blitzer recently that the administration's Iraq policy would be an 
enormous success story, but do not believe those who dismiss Cheney 
as delusional. He and his neoconservative friends are crazy like a 
fox. They have been pushing for confrontation with Iran for many 
years, and saw the invasion of Iraq in that context. Alluding to 
recent U.S. military moves, Robert Dreyfuss rightly describes the 
neocons as crossing their fingers in the hope that Iran will respond 
provocatively, making what is now a low-grade cold war inexorably 
heat up.
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2007/02/01/bushs_trash_talk_about_iran.php

But what about the president? How to explain his fixation with fixing 
Iran's wagon? Cheney's influence over Bush has been shown to be 
considerable ever since the one-man search committee for the 2000 
vice presidential candidate picked Cheney. The vice president can 
play Bush like a violin. But what strings is he using here? Where is 
the resonance?

Experience has shown the president to be an impressionable sort with 
a roulette penchant for putting great premium on initial impressions 
and latching onto people believed to be kindred souls-be it Russian 
President Vladimir Putin (trust at first sight), hail-fellow-well-met 
CIA director George Tenet or oozing-testosterone-from-every-pore 
former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. Of particular concern was 
his relationship with Sharon. Retired Gen. Brent Scowcroft, a master 
of discretion with the media, saw fit to tell London's Financial 
Times two and a half years ago that Sharon had Bush mesmerized and 
wrapped around his little finger.

As chair of the prestigious President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory 
Board under George W. Bush and national security adviser to his 
father, Scowcroft was uniquely positioned to know-and to draw 
comparisons. He was summarily fired after making the comments about 
Sharon and is now persona non grata at the White House.

Compassion Deficit Disorder

George W. Bush first met Sharon in 1998, when the Texas governor was 
taken on a tour of the Middle East by Matthew Brooks, then executive 
director of the Republican Jewish Coalition. Sharon was foreign 
minister and took Bush on a helicopter tour over the Israeli occupied 
territories. An Aug. 3, 2006 McClatchy wire story by Ron Hutcheson 
quotes Matthew 

Re: [Biofuel] Your Genetic Code Is Not Carved in Stone

[Kirk McLoren]

Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston Price has some interesting photos 
of a Downs syndrome child. We are told it is genetic but you should see photos 
a year later with supplements.
  Price and Frances Pottenger's book Pottenger's Cats should be required 
reading for anyone wishing to have a family.
   
  Kirk

Bob Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  www.trdrp.org/research/PageInstitution.asp?institution_id=1059 - 12k -
   Cached - Similar pages
   
  Greetings and a few queries: 
  a) is the author Al Sears MD related to, or a beneficiary of,  the 
Sears-Roebuck trust which gained most of its income from catalogue selling, 
including the promotion of vitamin tablets as a health food?
  b) why does his name not appear on the Children's Hospital Oakland Research 
Institute homepage, url given above (if you find it difficult to open, cut and 
paste onto the Google search box and click again from here)?
  c) why does the Institute make no reference to this research on its research 
page which lists each researcher by name and also gives the amount of money 
awarded for the research?
  d) can you give an url for the source of your post?
  Thanks  regards,
  Bob.
   
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  From: D. Mindock 
  To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; 
  Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:38 PM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Your Genetic Code Is Not Carved in Stone
  

  Your Genetic Code Is Not Carved in Stone

By Al Sears, MD

New research is revealing how your environment actually changes your genetics - 
and it's putting you in the driver's seat. 
In November, the Children's Hospital Oakland Research Institute released the 
results of their groundbreaking study. They found that a mother's diet during 
pregnancy not only affects her child, but also her child's offspring. 
This means that the lifestyle choices a woman makes can affect several 
generations of children - a revolutionary idea that flies in the face of 
conventional wisdom. 

For more than 150 years - since the time of Darwin - scientists have believed 
that any changes to an organism cannot be passed on to the next generation. 
According to strict Darwinism, if you were to change your diet, lose weight, 
and become super-fit, your children would not benefit from your efforts. But we 
now know there is something more at play: the epigenome. The epigenome plays 
a powerful role in your health... and could make the difference between whether 
or not you inherit heart disease or diabetes or something else.

Scientists in an emerging field of research - epigenetics - have discovered 
that your genes are only 15 percent of the total genetic material you get from 
your parents. For example, your genes give you many individualizing traits like 
blue eyes or brown hair. The remaining 85 percent - the epigenome - is a 
scaffolding of proteins that surround your DNA's double-helix pattern. 
As it turns out, this scaffolding functions as an interface that interacts 
with your environment. Based on the lifestyle choices you make, the epigenome 
has the power to turn genes on or off, changing the way your body translates 
your genetic coding into the proteins that make up YOU. 

The Children's Hospital Oakland study, lead by Dr. David Martin, split 
genetically identical pregnant mice into two groups. The mice had been bred in 
a way that gave the scientists the ability to monitor a gene that determined 
both the color of their coats and their tendency to develop chronic disease. 
So, by tracking coat color, they were able to follow the effects of vitamin 
supplementation across two generations of offspring. 

The first group of mice received a standard diet. The second group received the 
same diet, with the added benefit of supplemental vitamin B12, folate, choline, 
and zinc. When the babies were born, the females from both groups were mated 
and fed identical diets with no supplements. When the offspring gave birth, Dr. 
Martin's team discovered that the original mice that had the diet with extra 
vitamins passed the benefits on to both their children and grandchildren.

Findings like these have powerful implications in both directions. It means 
that, by making healthy choices, your efforts can have a positive effect not 
only on your children but on your grandchildren as well. On the other hand, a 
diet of fast food and sodas will not only wreck your own health, it could 
predispose future generations to chronic diseases like obesity, diabetes, and 
heart disease. 
That helps to explain why so many schoolchildren suffer from high blood 
pressure and low HDL (good cholesterol). The poor dietary choices their parents 
made are coming home to roost. 

This discovery gives us new insight into a long-standing debate between Charles 
Darwin and a guy you may never have heard of - French naturalist Jean-Baptiste 
Lamarck. 
Darwin's theory, which has been shaping the direction of modern science, can be 
summed up in a few words: Genes cannot be affected 

[Biofuel] photovoltaic energy payback period

[Kirk McLoren]

http://www.rpc.com.au/products/services/Environmental_Engineer_Summer_06_paper_2.pdf

  excellent discussion of energy payback period for photovoltaics. Saw this url 
posted on 12volt power.
   
  Kirk

 
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Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver

[Kirk McLoren]

As a retired aerospace engineer I want to say Joe is absolutely correct.
  Now youve heard it twice. 
  Some things are just not worth it.
  Besides, as I posted earlier only 1% of that voltage is needed and if high 
voltage was better dont you think it would be used commercially?
   
  Kirk

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  See! See! A quick test will a meter might leave you lying on the floor 
witrh your heart all a twitter. What meter will you use to check 3500 V 
DC? What voltage are the leads good for? Did you know that even dirt 
on the outside of the lead wires can be enough of a conductive path to 
let the discharge flow right down the surface to your hands? No 
probably not. And it would not be something intuitively obvious to 
anyone who has not been trained how to work with HV. Because it is not 
obvious and everyone has to be taught these things. Did you know that 
the dielectric in a HV capacitor will usually recharge itself quite 
significantly after a single discharge? It is also a naive assumption 
that pulling the plug will leave the cap discharged.
No offence to you Logan, but your post just serves to illustrate my point.

Joe

Logan vilas wrote:

If turn on the microwave and pull the plug while it's running that would
discharge most if not all of the power in the capacitor I would think. A
quick test from a meter would verify if it still had power or not.

Logan Vilas

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk McLoren
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:19 PM
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver

I think the commercial process was the Katadyne process. You pull an arc
between two silver electrodes under distilled water and filter the result
since you will have a mix of sizes. I think they use something around 30 to
60 volts. High amperage as you want a plasma. When it goes out you restrike.
 
Kirk

D. Mindock wrote:

 Hi Joe,
 I would bring the oven to a shop that routinely repairs them to
have that capacitor discharged safely. The thing with
 using the oven's electronics (no magnetron needed) was the very high
rate of production of CS. Also, it is a higher use of the oven as they do
change the characteristics of protein into something dangerous, i.e.,
carcinogenic. My wife thinks they're a godsend. I can't convince her of
their intrinsic danger. I've told her that when the damn thing goes bad that
I am not replacing it. Myself, I don't use it, even for heating water, since
it changes the structure of the water. The microwave
 oven is another modern marvel that has lessened life.
 If CS is made with distilled water in a constant current device
using four nines (99.99%) or better pure silver, it will be safe to consume.
I use it to stop the progression of periodontal disease. I have a bad case
of it. Also am using ozonated
 water. I have no problem with killing of friendly gut flora, but I
do take a good probiotic to hedge my bets. 
 Peace, D. Mindock

 - Original Message - 
 From: Joe Street 
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
 Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make
Colloidal Silver

 OMG please don't do this!
 The capacitor in a microwave oven contains several joules of
energy! This is sufficient to kill you and has done to more than one
unsuspecting soul who has decided to tinker around inside the microwave
oven. The article below even goes to the extent of warning you to discharge
the cap before doing any assembly work but then it goes on at the end in
bold red saying the danger is not in operating the beast but in its
construction. It doesn't say anythingabout how you are supposed to
discharge the cap before you try to remove the electrode from the jar! 
 
 Trust me colloidal siver can be easily made using voltage as
low as 20 volts and with current limiting. It will take a little longer (15
minutes) to make a batch ( I do half a litre at a time) but current
limiting is important because it keeps particle size down in the low
nanometer range where it needs to be in order to make a good colloid. I use
a little wall wart type transformer for this. Half a litre IS high volume.
Considering that the most effective way to use the stuff is to put it in a
nasal sprayer and use it directly on ther mucous linings at THE FIRST SIGN
of a sore throat ( not effective at later stages) and you are using perhaps
1ml at a time, half a litre will last your entire family a year or more.
DON'T drink the stuff unless you want to kill off beneficial bacteria in
your GI tract. Pink eye is easily and quickly cured with repeated misting
of the open eye, but again it is working on contact. There are many other
uses for the stuff which I won't get into but it is basically a powerful
anit-bacterial which works on contact against single celled organisms. 
 
 The internals of microwave ovens are extremely unforgiving

Re: [Biofuel] Chicken Little Strikes Again! CO2 is rising! C02 is

[Kirk McLoren]

Immanuel Velikovsky was the first to accurately predict the surface temperature 
of Venus. All the mainstream experts had it as dinosaur country.
  Velikovsky is interesting reading
   
  Kirk

DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now, can you kindly explain why the surface temperature of Venus is 482 
C?

Because of Exxon-Mobile?   haha... 

Was John trying to be sarchastic or serious.. I seriously couldn't tell.

-dave
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Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver

[Kirk McLoren]

I think the commercial process was the Katadyne process. You pull an arc 
between two silver electrodes under distilled water and filter the result since 
you will have a mix of sizes. I think they use something around 30 to 60 volts. 
High amperage as you want a plasma. When it goes out you restrike.
   
  Kirk

D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Joe,
 I would bring the oven to a shop that routinely repairs them to have that 
capacitor discharged safely. The thing with
  using the oven's electronics (no magnetron needed) was the very high rate of 
production of CS. Also, it is a higher use of the oven as they do change the 
characteristics of protein into something dangerous, i.e., carcinogenic. My 
wife thinks they're a godsend. I can't convince her of their intrinsic danger. 
I've told her that when the damn thing goes bad that I am not replacing it. 
Myself, I don't use it, even for heating water, since it changes the structure 
of the water. The microwave
  oven is another modern marvel that has lessened life.
  If CS is made with distilled water in a constant current device using four 
nines (99.99%) or better pure silver, it will be safe to consume. I use it to 
stop the progression of periodontal disease. I have a bad case of it. Also am 
using ozonated
  water. I have no problem with killing of friendly gut flora, but I do take a 
good probiotic to hedge my bets. 
  Peace, D. Mindock
- Original Message - 
  From: Joe Street 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 12:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Convert your Microwave oven to make Colloidal Silver
  

OMG please don't do this!
The capacitor in a microwave oven contains several joules of energy!  This is 
sufficient to kill you and has done to more than one unsuspecting soul who has 
decided to tinker around inside the microwave oven.  The article below even 
goes to the extent of warning you to discharge the cap before doing any 
assembly work but then it goes on at the end in bold red saying the danger is 
not in operating the beast but in its construction.  It doesn't say 
anythingabout how you are supposed to discharge the cap before you try to 
remove the electrode from the jar!  

Trust me colloidal siver can be easily made using voltage as low as 20 volts 
and with current limiting.  It will take a little longer (15 minutes) to make a 
batch ( I do half a litre at a time)  but current limiting is important because 
it keeps particle size down in the low nanometer range where it needs to be in 
order to make a good colloid.  I use a little wall wart type transformer for 
this.  Half a litre IS high volume.  Considering that the most effective way to 
use the stuff is to put it in a nasal sprayer and use it directly on ther 
mucous linings at THE FIRST SIGN of a sore throat ( not effective at later 
stages) and you are using perhaps 1ml at a time, half a litre will last your 
entire family a year or more.  DON'T drink the stuff unless you want to kill 
off beneficial bacteria in your GI tract.  Pink eye is easily and quickly cured 
with repeated misting of the open eye, but again it is working on contact.  
There are many other uses for the stuff which I won't
 get into but it is basically a powerful anit-bacterial which works on contact 
against single celled organisms.  

The internals of microwave ovens are extremely unforgiving and even for the 
initiated there is no room for error or absent mindedness.

Joe

D. Mindock wrote:

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Re: [Biofuel] The Anti-Empire Report

[Kirk McLoren]

The historian Toynbee said something similar. He said America was the only 
western country to decline before it reached its peak.
   
  Kirk

Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without 
civilization in between.
Oscar Wilde



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Re: [Biofuel] Compost, Tree Buds and Rose Hips

[Kirk McLoren]

Not knowing the pesticide history of said rose hips - maybe no?
   
  Kirk

robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The muscles in my back, shoulders and forearms ache in a satisfying way.  
I've been shoveling barn litter and spreading compost from last year into my 
raised garden beds.  It's a little cold outside with the arctic outflow winds 
sweeping down from the Cascades in the east, but it feels good to work and I 
can see that my earthworm allies have been VERY busy in the compost pile over 
the winter.  The noisome equine manure I picked up from the beautiful, elderly 
woman in Yarrow has transformed into dark, crumbly material that almost looks 
like soil.  I dug two wheelbarrow loads of this into the northernmost (and 
least productive) of my garden beds.

Most of my effort in the past couple of weeks has centered upon loading my 
truck with barn litter at the nearby cattle auction house.  It's been cold 
enough for ice to form and prevent me from getting the Ranger near enough to 
shovel the composted litter directly into its cargo box, so I've taken my 
wheelbarrow and loaded it, so I can park my truck in a place that allows me to 
get out without getting stuck.  (I've been stuck there TWICE this month . . . ) 
 Despite the cold, once I dig into the pile it steams vigorously, and the 
material I'm collecting is very dark and aromatic.  Thus far, I have taken five 
loads home.

Our trees are covered in many buds already.  I'm hoping that the weather will 
stay cold so that they don't blossom early and suffer if we get a late frost.  
This will be year number 4 of compost remediation, so I'm optimistic that the 
trees will have settled in and I won't have the pest infestation / fruit 
dropping that has plagued my fruit tree experience thus far.

This morning I noticed that several of the rose plants we picked up from 
someone's discard pile (these were left at the side of the road with a sign 
that said: Free Plants) have bright red / orange fruit on them right now.  I 
THINK these are rose hips, but I'm not certain because I've never seen them 
before.  If they are, they should be full of vitamin C.  Does anyone know how 
to prepare rose hips for human consumption?

Thanks!

robert luis rabello  The Edge of Justice  The Long Journey  New Adventure 
for Your Mind  http://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Page  
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Re: [Biofuel] Bayer Owns Up to Poison Pill

[Kirk McLoren]

All the statin drugs increase heart attacks
  BTW there is no study proving high cholesterol levels cause heart attacks. 
The majority of victims have normal levels.
  See Heart Frauds.
   
  Kirk 

JAMES PHELPS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Kids?


From: Keith Addison 
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: [Biofuel] Bayer Owns Up to Poison Pill
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 02:53:03 +0900

Hm, so it's okay to kill kids just as long as you're prepared to
cough up 0.02% of your income.

Who gets the money anyway?

Bayer's another prime candidate for the corporate death penalty, IMHO.

Best

Keith

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Spin of the Day » Jan 25, 2007
Bayer Owns Up to Poison Pill

Source: Houston Business Journal, January 19, 2007

Bayer, a global drug and biotechnology company with a turnover of
$US35.5 billion in 2005, has agreed to pay $8 million to settle a
legal action by 30 U.S. states over its failure to disclose
potentially serious consequences of using Baycol, a
cholesterol-lowering drug. Baycol was withdrawn from the market in
August 2001 due to its sometimes fatal side effects. Under the
terms of the settlement, Bayer agreed that it failed to adequately
warn doctors and patients of the results of clinical studies that
demonstrated serious consequences from using the drug. The settlement
also requires Bayer to post the results of all future clinical
studies on the Internet at the time of the completion.


http://houston.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2007/01/22/daily29.html
Houston Business Journal:
Bayer reaches settlement over drug disclosure

Houston Business Journal - January 23, 2007

Bayer Corp. will pay $8 million to 30 states, including $200,000 to
Texas, as part of a settlement requiring the company to fully
disclose when drugs pose risks for patients with specific health
conditions.

According to the settlement, Bayer (NYSE: BAY) failed to adequately
warn physicians, pharmacies and patients of clinical studies
revealing serious consequences of taking Baycol, a
cholesterol-lowering drug. The company pulled the drug from the
market in August 2001 due to its muscle-weakening side effects.

The terms also extend to the disclosure of clinical studies involving
other Bayer drugs with possibly harmful side effects.

Texans deserve to be fully informed about the adverse effects of
their medications, said Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott. This
agreement ensures that patients have access to the information they
need to make educated health care decisions.

The terms of the judgment require that Bayer (NYSE: BAY) register its
clinical studies and, upon the completion of each study, post the
results on the Internet. The marketing, sale and promotion of Bayer's
pharmaceutical and biological products must comply with the law and
cannot include false or misleading claims.

In 1997, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved Baycol, a
statin cholesterol-lowering prescription drug, which Bayer began
marketing in May 1998. While patients who take statin drugs
frequently experience muscle-weakening side effects, Bayer failed to
disclose that its product posed significantly greater risks than did
statins produced by other drug companies.

Because of Bayer's failure to disclose risks exacerbated by its
product, patients who were prescribed Baycol were not informed of its
potential side effects. Concealing risks in the name of profit
violates the Texas Deceptive Trade Practices Act.

Bayer Corp. USA is a subsidiary of Bayer AG, part of the Bayer Group
of companies based in Germany. The company has facilities across the
U.S., including Channelview and Baytown.


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Re: [Biofuel] Child forced into chemo

[Kirk McLoren]

goyim means cattle doesnt it?

D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
http://www.newstarget.com/016387.html
   
  Months after a Texas teenager was diagnosed with cancer, state authorities 
have finally decided to let her return home to her family after a long legal 
battle in which Texas officials – not the girl's parents – attempted to 
determine the course of treatment for her disease.   Thirteen-year-old Katie 
Wernecke was diagnosed with Hodgkin's disease, a cancer of the lymph nodes, in 
January 2005. The teenager underwent chemotherapy after being taken to the 
emergency room with what her parents had suspected was pneumonia, and doctors 
recommended she also receive radiation treatments. However, Katie's parents, 
Michelle and Edward Wernecke, refused the treatments for fear it could cause 
complications such as an increased risk of breast cancer, learning problems or 
stunted physical growth. That's when Texas authorities intervened, making 
private matters public in a way that many feel violated parental rights as well 
as principles of health freedom. 
  In what amounted to an attempt to force the Werneckes to submit their 
daughter to radiation treatments, officials with Texas' Child Protective 
Services took Katie away from her parents in June, after receiving a tip that 
Katie and her mother were hiding out at a family ranch in order to avoid the 
radiation that doctors claimed she needed to survive. Authorities promptly took 
Katie into custody and arrested her mother on charges of interfering with child 
custody. 
  Although Michelle Wernecke was released on $50,000 bond shortly after her 
arrest, she returned home to find her family in shambles. The state had – in 
effect – kidnapped her daughter, placed her three sons in a foster home and 
labeled her and her husband neglectful parents, even though they were only 
trying to protect their daughter from conventional medicine's harsh cancer 
treatments. Thus began a long and difficult struggle for the family that 
received national attention and raised significant questions about medical 
freedom and parental rights. 
  On a June 9 episode of NBC's Today show, Michele Wernecke said of her 
daughter: I think they should treat her for what her body calls for and not 
for standard protocol. Nobody will look at that. Not every cancer is the same. 
Nobody understands that. Her body is not standard, and her cancer is not 
standard. A videotaped statement, recorded by Katie's parents, shows the girl 
saying, I don't need radiation treatment. And nobody asked me what I wanted. 
It's my body. 
  On Oct. 21, Texas District Judge Jack Hunter ruled that the Werneckes would 
be allowed, as they had hoped, to take Katie to Kansas for a consultation with 
a physician on alternative intravenous vitamin C treatments. However, the judge 
also ruled that, before her parents could pursue the alternative treatment, 
Katie must first receive five days of traditional chemotherapy at the 
University of Texas' M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston. This once again 
thwarted her parents' efforts to protect their daughter from treatments they 
fear will result in side effects that are more harmful than her actual disease. 
  Throughout the Werneckes' battle with CPS and the Texas legal system, the 
family has maintained a blog dedicated to their daughter and her condition at 
http://prayforkatie.blogspot.com. There, they post news articles, charity 
information, letters and prayers from people concerned for Katie and disturbed 
by the drastic actions taken by Texas officials to keep her out of her parents' 
care. 
  An Oct. 23 post on the site reads, Katie has been left all alone in M.D. 
Anderson undergoing this fourth round of chemotherapy. CPS has not allowed the 
parents to be present in the hospital during this treatment. I don't have the 
right words and enough words to express how awful I feel about that. It is 
unbelievably cruel and just sickening that Katie would have to suffer through 
that ordeal all alone with no parent beside her. That is emotional abuse and 
child abuse on the part of CPS. 
  Although the Werneckes have stuck to their beliefs about what they feel is 
best for their daughter's health, they have been continuously met by the 
threats and scare tactics used by CPS. As a result, their daughter has not only 
suffered through treatment she does not want – and arguably does not need – but 
she has done so without her parents comfort and support. 
  On Oct. 31, Judge Hunter finally ruled that Katie should be returned to her 
family, saying, CPS and the Werneckes are never, ever going to agree, 
according to the New York Times. Katie will be allowed to go home after a round 
of chemotherapy in Houston, but what course her treatment will take after that 
is unknown. However, her father said at Monday's hearing that the family 
wanted to try other treatments for Katie before considering radiation as a 
last resort, the New York Times 

Re: [Biofuel] The Secret, a movie, online for free

[Kirk McLoren]

Hubbard - an all girl crew on a luxurious boat in the Med. He was researching 
human relationships.
  LOL
  The cult of all cults.
   
  Kirk

MK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Chip, I've heard about Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard (isn't he the 
founder?), but never read any of the stuff. So I'm not sure what you're 
comparing the video to. However, I have watched the video The Secret and 
have no problem with it in that it basically speaks to me what I already 
know about myself, that what I see is what I get. In other words, I 
recognize how many of my actions and much of what I have in my life are 
preceded by my thoughts...or more specifically, my pictures based upon my 
deeply held beliefs and desires. My personal guide to evaluating any 
expression of what is supposed to be the truth is whether I can verify it as 
reality in my own life or trust I can verify it as the truth in my own life. 
I'm not sure I worded that accurately or completely enough, but there you 
go.
Anyway, will you be more specific? What is it about The Secret that 
you compare to Scientology? I'm specifically curious if you have taken 
something and compared it not to the whole body of work but to an aspect of 
the total body of work but summed up the comparison to the whole body of 
work. If such is the case, I want to caution you and all of us, especially 
myself, against doing so, not just here, but in all areas of your life, our 
lives. It is that kind of lazy (or worse, prejudiced) thinking that blinds 
us from the truth wherever it may present itself. It is that kind of lazy 
(or worse, prejudiced) thinking that is the basis for racism and any other 
ism that fails to recognize the uniqueness of the individual and the 
development of that uniqueness in the expression of the truth. Thanks. Mike 
DuPree PS YOUR LIBERTY--USE IT OR LOSE IT--REJECT REAL ID (My new motto 
until we get this damn thing off the books or die trying. Write to me if 
you need more info: [EMAIL PROTECTED])

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From: Chip Mefford 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Secret, a movie, online for free


 D. Mindock wrote:
 OK, by now most of you will have heard about the movie, The Secret

 Those of you who have not yet seen it, or want to see it again, can watch 
 it here:

 http://www.renegadelemming.com/secretvideo/

 Reminds me of Scientology

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Re: [Biofuel] US plans to 'fight the net' revealed

[Kirk McLoren]

Kept getting an error message after download for the pdf file. I then right 
cliked and saved. Saved version opened ok
  Kirk

Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  ... Meanwhile...
Rumsfeld is still running the War Department
Sunday, 28 January 2007
http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/175/1/

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4655196.stm
Friday, 27 January 2006, 18:05 GMT

US plans to 'fight the net' revealed

By Adam Brookes
BBC Pentagon correspondent 

A newly declassified document gives a fascinating glimpse into the US 
military's plans for information operations - from psychological 
operations, to attacks on hostile computer networks.

Report: Information Operations Roadmap:[PDF File]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/27_01_06_psyops.pdf

Bloggers beware.

As the world turns networked, the Pentagon is calculating the 
military opportunities that computer networks, wireless technologies 
and the modern media offer.

From influencing public opinion through new media to designing 
computer network attack weapons, the US military is learning to 
fight an electronic war.

The declassified document is called Information Operations Roadmap. 
It was obtained by the National Security Archive at George Washington 
University using the Freedom of Information Act.

Officials in the Pentagon wrote it in 2003. The Secretary of Defense, 
Donald Rumsfeld, signed it.

The roadmap calls for a far-reaching overhaul of the military's 
ability to conduct information operations and electronic warfare. 
And, in some detail, it makes recommendations for how the US armed 
forces should think about this new, virtual warfare.

The document says that information is critical to military success. 
Computer and telecommunications networks are of vital operational 
importance.

Propaganda

The operations described in the document include a surprising range 
of military activities: public affairs officers who brief 
journalists, psychological operations troops who try to manipulate 
the thoughts and beliefs of an enemy, computer network attack 
specialists who seek to destroy enemy networks.

All these are engaged in information operations.

Perhaps the most startling aspect of the roadmap is its 
acknowledgement that information put out as part of the military's 
psychological operations, or Psyops, is finding its way onto the 
computer and television screens of ordinary Americans.

Information intended for foreign audiences, including public 
diplomacy and Psyops, is increasingly consumed by our domestic 
audience, it reads.

Psyops messages will often be replayed by the news media for much 
larger audiences, including the American public, it goes on.

The document's authors acknowledge that American news media should 
not unwittingly broadcast military propaganda. Specific boundaries 
should be established, they write. But they don't seem to explain 
how.

In this day and age it is impossible to prevent stories that are fed 
abroad as part of psychological operations propaganda from blowing 
back into the United States - even though they were directed abroad, 
says Kristin Adair of the National Security Archive.

Credibility problem

Public awareness of the US military's information operations is low, 
but it's growing - thanks to some operational clumsiness.

Late last year, it emerged that the Pentagon had paid a private 
company, the Lincoln Group, to plant hundreds of stories in Iraqi 
newspapers. The stories - all supportive of US policy - were written 
by military personnel and then placed in Iraqi publications.

And websites that appeared to be information sites on the politics of 
Africa and the Balkans were found to be run by the Pentagon.

But the true extent of the Pentagon's information operations, how 
they work, who they're aimed at, and at what point they turn from 
informing the public to influencing populations, is far from clear.

The roadmap, however, gives a flavour of what the US military is up 
to - and the grand scale on which it's thinking.

It reveals that Psyops personnel support the American government's 
international broadcasting. It singles out TV Marti - a station which 
broadcasts to Cuba - as receiving such support.

It recommends that a global website be established that supports 
America's strategic objectives. But no American diplomats here, thank 
you. The website would use content from third parties with greater 
credibility to foreign audiences than US officials.

It also recommends that Psyops personnel should consider a range of 
technologies to disseminate propaganda in enemy territory: unmanned 
aerial vehicles, miniaturized, scatterable public address systems, 
wireless devices, cellular phones and the internet.

'Fight the net'

When it describes plans for electronic warfare, or EW, the document 
takes on an extraordinary tone.

It seems to see the internet as being equivalent to an enemy weapons system.

Strategy should be based on the premise that the Department 

[Biofuel] Inner Space

[Kirk McLoren]

Inner Space

Darwin based his theory of evolution on the assumption that cells were
simple blobs of protoplasm. As this short video demonstrates, they are
anything but and, as such, a good argument of why evolution is
impossible as a viable theory (though not as a matter of very blind
faith, perhaps).

http://aimediaserver.com/studiodaily/videoplayer/?src=harvard/harvard.swfwidth=640height=520
   
  The walker was one of my favourites.
   
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[Biofuel] energy story at oildrum

[Kirk McLoren]

++
| On Electricity (Generation)|
|   from the looking-at-tomorrow dept.   |
|   posted by Hemos on Monday January 29, @10:54 (Power) |
|   http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/29/1228200 |
++

Engineer-Poet wrote a piece a few months back that focuses on
[0]electricity production; or rather how or what we will need to do to
keep pace with people's demands while balancing that with environmental
and economic impact. Lengthy but well-reasoned and good reading.

Discuss this story at:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=07/01/29/1228200

Links:
0. http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/11/27/0432/3533


 
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[Biofuel] Hillary's First Night . . .

[Kirk McLoren]

  

HILLARY'S FIRST NIGHT AS PRESIDENT . . .


Hillary Clinton gets elected President and 
is spending her first night in the White House. 
She has waited so long..

The ghost of George Washington appears . . .
Hillary says, How can I best serve my country?
Washington says . . . Never tell a lie.

Ouch! Says Hillary, I don't know about that

The next night, 
The ghost of Thomas Jefferson appears . . .
Hillary says, How can I best serve my country?
Jefferson says . . . Listen to the people.

Ohhh! Says Hillary I really don't want to do that.

On the third night,
The ghost of Abe Lincoln appears . . .
Hillary says, How can I best serve my country?

Lincoln says . . . Go to the theater.




 
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[Biofuel] Brown Team Finds Crucial Protein Role in Deadly Prion Spread

[Kirk McLoren]

  

Brown Team Finds Crucial Protein Role in Deadly Prion Spread
http://www.brown.edu/Administration/News_Bureau/2006-07/06-084.html
January 23, 2007
Contact: Wendy Lawton
(401) 863-2476
Brown University Home
Media Relations Home


Brown University biologists have made another major advance toward
understanding the deadly work of prions, the culprits behind fatal brain
diseases such as mad cow and their human counterparts. In new work
published online in PLoS Biology, researchers show that the protein
Hsp104 must be present and active for prions to multiply and cause disease.

PROVIDENCE, R.I. [Brown University] --- A single protein plays a major
role in deadly prion diseases by smashing up clusters of these
infectious proteins, creating the seeds that allow fatal brain
illnesses to quickly spread, new Brown University research shows.
The findings are exciting, researchers say, because they might reveal a
way to control the spread of prions through drug intervention. If a drug
could be made that inhibits this fragmentation process, it could
substantially slow the spread of prions, which cause mad cow disease and
scrapie in animals and, in rare cases, Creutzfeldt-Jacob disease and
kuru in humans.
Because similar protein replication occurs in Alzheimer's and
Parkinson's diseases, such a drug could also slow progression of these
diseases as well.
The protein fragmentation we studied has a big impact on how fast prion
diseases spread and may also play a role in the accumulation of toxic
proteins in neurodegenerative diseases like Parkinson's, said Tricia
Serio, an assistant professor in Brown's Department of Molecular
Biology, Cell Biology and Biochemistry and lead researcher on the project.
The findings from Serio and her team, which appear online in PLoS
Biology, build on their groundbreaking work published in Nature in 2005.
That research showed that prions -- strange, self-replicating proteins
that cause fatal brain diseases -- convert healthy protein into abnormal
protein through an ultrafast process.
This good-gone-bad conversion is one way that prions multiply and spread
disease. But scientists believe that there is another crucial step in
this propagation process -- fragmentation of existing prion complexes.
Once converted, the thinking goes, clusters of bad or infectious
protein are smashed into smaller bits, a process that creates seeds so
that prions multiply more quickly in the body. Hsp104, a molecule known
to be required for prion replication, could function as this protein
crusher, Serio thought.
To test these ideas, Serio and members of her lab studied Sup35, a yeast
protein similar to the human prion protein PrP. They put Sup35 together
with Hsp104, then activated and deactivated Hsp104. They found that the
protein does, indeed, chop up Sup35 complexes -- the first direct
evidence that this process occurs in a living cell and that Hsp104 is
the culprit.
To understand how fragmentation speeds the spread of prions, think of a
dandelion, Serio said. A dandelion head is a cluster of flowers that
each carries a seed. When the flower dries up and the wind blows, the
seeds disperse. Prion protein works the same way. Hsp104 acts like the
wind, blowing apart the flower and spreading the seeds.
Serio said that prions still multiply without fragmentation. However,
she said, they do so at a much slower rate. So a drug that blocked the
activity of Hsp104 could seriously slow progression of prion-related
diseases.
Former graduate student Prasanna Satpute-Krishnan and research associate
Sara Langseth, also in Brown's Department of Molecular Biology, Cell
Biology and Biochemistry, conducted the work with Serio.
The National Cancer Institute, the National Institute of General Medical
Sciences, and the Pew Scholars Program in the Biomedical Sciences funded
the research.
Editors: Brown University has a fiber link television studio available
for domestic and international live and taped interviews and maintains
an ISDN line for radio interviews. For more information, call the Office
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[Biofuel] Fwd: Doctor without Borders sent this. Please assist if you can :)

[Kirk McLoren]

  

I don't normally forward e-mails.
This is from Doctors without Borders and only requires a click of the mouse 
to take action.



From: Doctors Without Borders 
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 
Subject: Join MSF in Telling Novartis to Put People Before Patents
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:33:30 -0800

NOVARTIS CASE AGAINST INDIAN GOVERNMENT TO BE HEARD ON JAN 29
MSF intensifies efforts calling on Novartis to “Drop the Case”

Please SIGN the petition if you have not done so already!

(http://www.uptilt.com/ct.html?rtr=ons=6ty,pt2e,gkp,40bo,lao2,31fq,b5wb

Pharmaceutical company Novartis is taking the Indian government to court. 
If the company wins, millions of people across the globe could have their
sources of affordable medicines dry up. Doctors Without Borders/Medecins 
Sans Frontieres (MSF) is urging Novartis to immediately drop the case.

For more information see:

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Doctors Without Borders/Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) is an independent 
international medical humanitarian organization that delivers emergency aid
to people affected by armed conflict, epidemics, natural and man-made 
disasters, or exclusion from health care in more than 70 countries. New 
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[Biofuel] WHAT NATION DID PRESIDENT BUSH REPORT ABOUT?

[Kirk McLoren]

 
   
  What Nation Did President Bush Report About?
   
  The Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation Response to the State of the 
Union Address
   
  By Ibrahim Ramey
   
  Every January, the President of the United States gives a 
constitutionally-mandated address to the American people on the condition of 
the nation.  This State of the Union speech is regarded as an annual 
scorecard not only on the economic, political, social and moral health of the 
country, but on the effectiveness of the national leadership of the Congress, 
and-more importantly-the chief executive of the United States himself.
   
  As political speeches go, President Bush's address to the nation on January 
23rd was a talk full of hubris and bravado given in the context of an 
extraordinary national crisis.  Faced with an approval rating on par with the 
end days of the Nixon administration, a Congress controlled for the first time 
in 12 years by his opposition party, and-above all- a massive national (and 
global) uprising against the most unpopular (and unsuccessful) U.S. military 
venture since the Vietnam war, Mr. Bush made an effort to rally support for a 
new domestic agenda and a new Iraq war strategy that is the catalyst for 
massive dissent from both Democrats and some leading Republicans.
   
  But I suspect that the President of the United States, even in his most 
optimistic and affable moments, gave a talk about a country that was not the 
one located between Canada and Mexico.
   
  To be fair, Mr. Bush did acknowledge some of the deep structural and economic 
challenges facing the nation: the crisis confronting a Social Security system 
going broke, the Federal budget deficit, the $18 billion in extra earmarks 
authorized for what is usually regarded as under-the-radar Pork Barrel 
spending, the crucial need for immigration law reform, and perhaps above all, 
the issue of affordable health insurance for the more than 45 million 
individuals in the nation who have none.  
   
  And for all of these structural maladies, Mr. Bush promised to balance the 
federal budget within 5 years without raising taxes.
   
  The laundry list of other proposed initiatives was also interesting.  
President Bush promised to strengthen U.S. border security (presumably as one 
element of his immigration reform plan), create a temporary worker program for 
undocumented workers from other countries, expand health savings accounts, give 
federal tax assistance to states (like California) that create state-wide 
health insurance, and protect doctors from frivolous medical liability lawsuits.
   
  There was also a commitment by Mr. Bush to continue the No Child Left 
Behind initiative, and presumably, its back-door provision for increasing the 
access that military recruiters have to school records.
   
  And on the energy independence front, Mr. Bush called for expanded use of 
alternative (to fossil fuels) energy sources, expanded oil and gas exploration 
in the continental United Sates and-most radically- a cut of 20% in national 
gasoline consumption by 2017, and a 75% decrease in Middle East oil imports 
over the same time period.  No specific plans for achieving this goal were 
mentioned
   
  But the nation in which we live is, simply put, not the one that Mr. Bush 
based his speech on.  Here are just a few troubling realities that the speech 
ignored.  Consider the following:
   

   Some 13% of Americans live in poverty, and the numbers remain staggering for 
Black, Brown, and Native people.  Poor folks weren't mentioned at all by 
President Bush, nor did Mr. Bush offer any initiatives to combat poverty in the 
richest nation in the world. The closest he came to mentioning real poverty, in 
fact, was his shout-out to basketball star Dikembe Mutombo, originally a poor 
African immigrant from Congo who is not a (very rich) humanitarian and citizen 
of the United States.
   

   Mr. Bush claimed that the United States is now in our 41st consecutive month 
of job growth, with 7.2 million new jobs creates in that period.  But the harsh 
reality (as pointed out by Senator James Webb (D-VA) in his response to the 
Bush speech is the gap between CEO and worker compensation has grown from 20 to 
1 (in the 1970's) to 400 to I today.  And wages, adjusted for taxes and 
inflation during that period, have actually decreased in that period.
   

   The United States remains the only advanced industrialized nation in the 
world without a national (not private) health care and health insurance system.
   

   The national prison population exceeds 2 million people.  I heard no 
acknowledgement of this shameful fact, nor any suggested remedy.
   

   The U.S. international trade balance (which measures the international 
surplus or deficit of what a nation has, or owes the world) was a staggering 
$837.2 billion deficit in November of 2006.  This makes the U.S., by a huge 
margin, the largest debtor nation in the 

[Biofuel] ESCALATION AGAINST IRAN

[Kirk McLoren]

 
   
  Escalation Against Iran
  
The Pieces Are Being Put in Place
Col. Sam Gardiner

[Sam Gardiner is a retired colonel of the US Air Force.  He has taught strategy 
and military operations at the National War College, Air War College and Naval 
War College.]

The pieces are moving.  They'll be in place by the end of February. The United 
States will be able to escalate military operations against Iran.

The second carrier strike group leaves the U.S. West Coast on January 16.  It 
will be joined by naval mine clearing assets from both the United States and 
the UK.  Patriot missile defense systems have also been ordered to deploy to 
the Gulf.

Maybe as a guard against North Korea seeing operations focused on Iran as a 
chance to be aggressive, a squadron of F-117 stealth fighters has just been 
deployed to Korea.

This has to be called escalation.  We have to remind ourselves, just as Iran is 
supporting groups inside Iraq, the United States is supporting groups inside 
Iran.  Just as Iran has special operations troops operating inside Iraq, we've 
read the United States has special operations troops operating inside Iran.

Just as Iran is supporting Hamas, two weeks ago we found out the United States 
is supporting arms for Abbas.  Just as Iran and Syria are supporting Hezbollah 
in Lebanon were now learning the White House has approved a finding to allow 
the CIA to support opposition groups inside Lebanon.  Just as Iran is 
supporting Syria, we've learned recently that the United States is going to 
fund Syrian opposition groups.

We learned this week the President authorized an attack on the Iranian liaison 
office in Irbil.

The White House keeps saying there are no plans to attack Iran. Obviously, the 
facts suggest otherwise.  Equally as clear, the Iranians will read what the 
Administrations is doing not what it is saying.

It is possible the White House strategy is just implementing a strategy to put 
pressure on Iran on a number of fronts, and this will never amount to anything. 
 On the other hand, if the White House is on a path to strike Iran, well see a 
few more steps unfold.

First, we know there is a National Security Council staff-led group whose 
mission is to create outrage in the world against Iran. Just like before Gulf 
II, this media group will begin to release stories to sell a strike against 
Iran.  Watch for the outrage stuff. The Patriot missiles going to the GCC 
states are only part of the missile defense assets.  I would expect to see the 
deployment of some of the European-based missile defense assets to Israel, just 
as they were before Gulf II.

I would expect deployment of additional USAF fighters into the bases in Iraq, 
maybe some into Afghanistan.

I think we will read about the deployment of some of the newly arriving Army 
brigades going into Iraq being deployed to the border with Iran.  Their mission 
will be to guard against any Iranian movements into Iraq.

As one of the last steps before a strike, well see USAF tankers moved to 
unusual places, like Bulgaria.  These will be used to refuel the US-based B-2 
bombers on their strike missions into Iran.  When that happens, well only be 
days away from a strike.

The White House could be telling the truth.  Maybe there are no plans to take 
Iran to the next level. The fuel for a fire is in place, however.  All we need 
is a spark.  The danger is that we have created conditions that could lead to a 
Greater Middle East War. 

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Re: [Biofuel] I.D. Cards and Rifers

[Kirk McLoren]

Hey Malcolm I just spent a half hour watching a bunch of videos associated with 
your url.
  Very funny stuff except for the thought their vote counts as much as ours.
  Has to be seen to be believed.
   
  Kirk

malcolm maclure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hey D, you missed something out there when you talk about apathy / sleeping,
 that's stupidity! (Not that I would apply that to all in the US 
certainly not those on this list, so no offence intended guys!!) But the
link below is a testament to the successful job a succession of US
governments have made to keep the majority of US citizens dumbed down 
therefore more controllable,  yes before anyone jumps down my throat we
have 'em here in the UK too! We call them Chavs, lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY8u54jFubM


Peace indeed  god help us...whoever he is

Regards
Malcolm



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Mindock
Sent: 22 January 2007 20:01
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] I.D. Cards and Rifers

Hi Mike,
I am just outside MO, 15 miles east of St Louis.
Yep, if people aren't worried about the way this country is transforming
into corporatism/fascism , they are either asleep/apathetic or have given
up all hope. We do have the ability to reverse the trend. Stop shopping,
avoid prescript drugs/vaccinations, eat organic, do demos, sickouts, 
slowdowns,
marches, keep your kids out of the military, etc. Do not feed the
beast.
Peace, D. Mindock


 Doug, pause the film and write down the various documentation provided to
 substantiate Russo's claims, then check them out for yourself. Or, even
 easier, Google National I.D. Card or Real ID Act. Things change
 dramatically in Amerika in May, 2008, Doug. Things change dramatically.
 After you have checked this out for yourself, please write back. I'd like
 to hear what you think then. D and Jason are in Missouri, you're in 
 Kansas.
 I live in Lawrence. Perhaps what is coming will give us all cause to 
 cross
 paths. Mike DuPree

 - Original Message - 
 From: Doug Younker 
 To: 
 Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] I.D. Cards and Rifers


 The problem I have with films such is this is that the information flows
 by so fast, and without being provided a transcript one can't really
 study the issue, perhaps that's by design? I have long understood it's
 mostly about the wealth* and who is able to accumulate it, but that's
 been the case ever since humans banded into tribes hasn't? I do believe
 they are vastly overstating the capabilities of RFID.

 Doug, N0LKK
 Kansas USA inc.
 *IMO wealth is the better term to use, as there are many things other
 than money supply that can be use to extort the populace.



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[Biofuel] 6 stroke motor

[Kirk McLoren]

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[Biofuel] Deadly Spanish Flu code cracked

[Kirk McLoren]

  

  Deadly 'flu code cracked TheStar.com - News - Deadly 'flu code cracked 
  January 17, 2007 
Joe Hall
Toronto Star 

http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/172085
  Canadian scientists have helped unlock a key secret to history's deadliest 
influenza outbreak and how it killed so quickly and efficiently.
  The savage Spanish Flu pandemic that swept the globe at the end of the First 
World War killed about 50 million people - many in a matter of hours - when 
their immune systems began attacking their own lungs, a paper published today 
in the journal Nature says.
  The paper, which studied monkeys infected with a reconstructed version of the 
1918 flu at Canada's National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg, may also 
offer clues on how to stem future outbreaks.
  This research provides an important piece in the puzzle of the 1918 virus, 
helping us to better understand influenza viruses and their potential to cause 
pandemics, said Darwyn Kobasa, a research scientist with the Public Health 
Agency of Canada in Winnipeg and the lead study author.
  Thanks to recent technological advancement, we are able to study this virus 
and how it wreaked havoc around the globe, Kobasa said in a statement.
  In the early 1990s, University of Toronto geographer Kirsty Duncan, then at 
the University of Windsor, located seven young coal miners who had died in 1918 
and were buried in a permafrost cemetery in the village of Longyearbyen, Norway
  Duncan was able to isolate bits of viral RNA from the miner's preserved 
flesh, which has been used to construct copies of the original 1918 virus.
  But scientists at the Level 4 Winnipeg lab - which can house and study the 
earth's most lethal pathogens - used viral RNA from archived tissues of first 
war soldiers to resurrect the 1918 pathogen, Kobasa said in an interview. 
  They then used that virus to infect several macaque monkeys and study its 
effects on the primates.
  What they found was that the virus unleashed an attack of the body's immune 
system on the lungs - causing fluids to build up in the respiratory tract.
  The flu's victims, the study says, would essentially have drowned in their 
own fluids.
  This study in macaques . . . suggests that the host immune response is out 
of control in animals infected with the virus, Michael Katze, a microbiologist 
at Seattle's University of Washington said in a release on the study.
  Our analysis revealed potential mechanisms of virulence, which we hope will 
help us develop novel antiviral strategies to both outwit the virus and 
moderate the (human) immune response, said Katze, one of the study's authors.
  The same immune response identified in the Winnipeg monkeys has also been 
seen in people infected with the H5N1 virus - or avian flu - that is present 
today in Asia and has killed 150 people.
  What we see with the 1918 virus in infected monkeys is also what we see with 
H5N1, says Yoshihiro Kawaoka, a University of Wisconsin-Madison virologist who 
also participated in the study.
  Unlike the 1918 Flu, the avian flu has so far been unable to spread easily 
between humans.
  But Kawaoka suggests that the overwhelming immune response seen in both 
varieties may be a signature of all virulent influenza viruses.
  Dr Donald Low, chief microbiologist at Toronto's Mount Sinai hospital said 
the study helps confirm a theory that has been proposed for some time about the 
Spanish flu's rapid and deadly progress.
  Low said the study contained strong evidence to the back up the so-called 
cytokine storm theory of pandemic flu outbreaks.
  There's some pretty nice evidence (in the paper) to show exactly what is 
happening, Low says.
  Although it doesn't put it's finger on the exact cause, Low said the paper 
strongly suggests that a protein produced by pandemic viruses, known as NS1, is 
essentially hijacking the immune system.
  Low said the protein inhibits the immune system's ability to kill off the 
invading virus, causing the cytokine messengers that trigger the body's 
inflammatory response to flues to keep on going.
  Cytokines are chemical messengers in the body that trigger - among other 
things -- appropriate responses to invasive agents. And the cytokines involved 
in reacting to influenzas typically promote an inflammatory response in the 
lungs and other infected organs, Low said.
  With the NS1 protein preventing the influenza virus from being killed off, 
however, Low said the cytokines triggering lung inflammation just keep on 
acting until they eventually destroy the pulmonary lining.
  Low said the study also looked at monkeys infected with normal human 
influenza and that their cytokine response waned after several days as the 
virus was irradiated in the body.
  But if you look at the monkeys with the 1918 strain, it's gone to hell in a 
hand cart, you've got bleeding in the lung, you've got fluid in the lung 
there's no evidence of any repair.
  Low said the study suggests that the virus' 

[Biofuel] NSA and Windows connection

[Kirk McLoren]

  
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How NSA access was built into Windows  Duncan Campbell 04.09.1999
  Careless mistake reveals subversion of Windows by NSA.A CARELESS 
mistake by Microsoft programmers has revealed that special access codes 
prepared by the US National Security Agency have been secretly built into 
Windows. The NSA access system is built into every version of the Windows 
operating system now in use, except early releases of Windows 95 (and its 
predecessors). The discovery comes close on the heels of the revelations 
earlier this year that another US software giant, Lotus, had built an NSA help 
information trapdoor into its Notes system, and that security functions on 
other software systems had been deliberately crippled. 
  The first discovery of the new NSA access system was made two years ago by 
British researcher Dr Nicko van Someren. But it was only a few weeks ago when a 
second researcher rediscovered the access system. With it, he found the 
evidence linking it to NSA. 
  Computer security specialists have been aware for two years that unusual 
features are contained inside a standard Windows software driver used for 
security and encryption functions. The driver, called ADVAPI.DLL, enables and 
controls a range of security functions. If you use Windows, you will find it in 
the C:\Windows\system directory of your computer. 
  ADVAPI.DLL works closely with Microsoft Internet Explorer, but will only run 
crypographic functions that the US governments allows Microsoft to export. That 
information is bad enough news, from a European point of view. Now, it turns 
out that ADVAPI will run special programmes inserted and controlled by NSA. As 
yet, no-one knows what these programmes are, or what they do. 
  Dr Nicko van Someren reported at last year's Crypto 98 conference that he had 
disassembled the ADVADPI driver. He found it contained two different keys. One 
was used by Microsoft to control the cryptographic functions enabled in 
Windows, in compliance with US export regulations. But the reason for building 
in a second key, or who owned it, remained a mystery. 
  A second key   Two weeks ago, a US security company came up with conclusive 
evidence that the second key belongs to NSA. Like Dr van Someren, Andrew 
Fernandez, chief scientist with Cryptonym of Morrisville, North Carolina, had 
been probing the presence and significance of the two keys. Then he checked the 
latest Service Pack release for Windows NT4, Service Pack 5. He found that 
Microsoft's developers had failed to remove or strip the debugging symbols 
used to test this software before they released it. Inside the code were the 
labels for the two keys. One was called KEY. The other was called NSAKEY. 
  Fernandes reported his re-discovery of the two CAPI keys, and their secret 
meaning, to Advances in Cryptology, Crypto'99 conference held in Santa 
Barbara. According to those present at the conference, Windows developers 
attending the conference did not deny that the NSA key was built into their 
software. But they refused to talk about what the key did, or why it had been 
put there without users' knowledge. 
  A third key?!   But according to two witnesses attending the conference, even 
Microsoft's top crypto programmers were astonished to learn that the version of 
ADVAPI.DLL shipping with Windows 2000 contains not two, but three keys. Brian 
LaMachia, head of CAPI development at Microsoft was stunned to learn of these 
discoveries, by outsiders. The latest discovery by Dr van Someren is based on 
advanced search methods which test and report on the entropy of programming 
code. 
  Within the Microsoft organisation, access to Windows source code is said to 
be highly compartmentalized, making it easy for modifications to be inserted 
without the knowledge of even the respective product managers. 
  Researchers are divided about whether the NSA key could be intended to let US 
government users of Windows run classified cryptosystems on their machines or 
whether it is intended to open up anyone's and everyone's Windows computer to 
intelligence gathering techniques deployed by NSA's burgeoning corps of 
information warriors. 
  According to Fernandez of Cryptonym, the result of having the secret key 
inside your Windows operating system is that it is tremendously easier for the 
NSA to load unauthorized security services on all copies of Microsoft Windows, 
and once these security services are loaded, they can effectively compromise 
your entire operating system. The NSA key is contained inside all versions of 
Windows from Windows 95 OSR2 onwards. 
  For non-American IT managers relying on Windows NT to operate highly secure 
data centres, this find is worrying, he added. The US government is currently 
making it as difficult as possible for strong crypto to be used outside of 
the US. That they have also installed a cryptographic back-door in the world's 
most 

[Biofuel] Rare brain worms from eating pork latest border disease

[Kirk McLoren]

  
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  Rare brain worms from eating pork latest border disease…
  www.worldnetdaily.com
   
  
  Posted: January 13, 2007
  1:00 a.m. Eastern
   
  © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
   
  Medical professionals in South Texas have identified another disease that has 
apparently slipped across the border – caused by a rare brain worm that can be 
fatal and is being spread by unsanitary food-handling practices. 
   
  While not yet classified as a major outbreak, several cases of 
cysticercosis have been identified in South Texas, a spokesman for San 
Antonio's Metro Health District told KENS-TV, San Antonio. 
   
  Magnetic resonance image showing multiple cysticerci within patient's brain 
According to the Center for Disease Control, cysticercosis is an infection 
caused by the pork tapeworm, Taenia solium. Infection occurs when the tapeworm 
larvae are ingested, pass through the intestinal wall and enter the body to 
form cysticerci, or cysts. The cysts migrate throughout the body, resulting in 
symptoms that vary depending on whether they lodge in the muscles, the eyes, 
the brain or spinal cord. 
   
  Symptoms for Renaldo Ramirez, 50, of Houston, began with mild headaches. 
   
  The tile worker, who immigrated to the U.S. from El Salvador 20 years ago, 
told KENS-TV he had been eating most of his meals at mobile kitchens because of 
the convenience, but after his ordeal with brain worms, he insisted on 
preparing his own food. 
   
  He's scared now. He's scared of any food from outside, his sister, who 
onterpreted for him, said. 
   
  It was a mild headache, but it wouldn't go away, Ramirez said. It was just 
there and it wouldn't go away with Tylenol. 
  Clinic doctors gave him blood pressure medicine, but a few days later, he 
passed out and did not awaken for eight days. 
   
  Dr. Aaron Mohanty, an assistant professor in the Department of Neurosurgery 
at the University of Texas Medical School, found and removed a cyst caused by a 
tapeworm larvae living in Ramirez's brain. Undiagnosed and untreated, he could 
have died within hours. 
   
  According to the CDC, infection from the tapeworm, which is found worldwide, 
occurs most often in rural, developing countries with poor hygiene where pigs 
are allowed to roam freely and eat human feces. This allows the tapeworm 
infection to be completed and the cycle to continue. 
   
  The risk for U.S. citizens has been considered rare due to strict food 
processing and handling regulations, especially for pork products, and 
generally high levels of hygiene. 
   
  The condition is very rare in Muslim countries where eating pork is 
forbidden. 
   
  The cycle starts with a human that's infected with the tapeworm, said Dr. 
Luis Ostrosky, of the UT Houston Medical Center.  Failure to wash hands after 
using the restroom can result in contaminating food and infecting further 
victims. 
   
  These eggs hatch in the intestine and go through the gut-wall and into the 
circulation where they get stuck somewhere, Ostrosky said. 
   
  Cysticercosis joins Morgellons disease, a mysterious infection seemingly 
similar to one documented 300 years ago, in the list of new illnesses spreading 
throughout South Texas. 
   
  While Morgellons disease has not been known to kill and it doesn't appear to 
be contagious, WND has reported its horrible symptoms are what worry doctors. 
   
  These people will have like beads of sweat but it's black, black and tarry, 
Ginger Savely, a nurse practitioner in Austin who has treated a majority of 
Morgellons patients, told the San Antonio Express-News.  Patients infected with 
the disease get lesions that never heal. 
   
  Fibers removed from facial lesion of 3-year-old boy Sometimes little black 
specks come out of the lesions and sometimes little fibers, said Stephanie 
Bailey, a Morgellons patient.  It's those different-colored fibers that pop out 
of the skin that may be the most bizarre symptom of the disease. 
   
  More than 100 cases have been reported in South Texas. 
   
  It really has the makings of a horror movie in every way, Savely said. 
   
  The South Texas outbreak's proximity to the U.S.-Mexico border comes at a 
time when the issues of illegal immigration, border security and possible 
amnesty for over 12 million illegal aliens are being debated in the U.S. 
   
  Despite Morgellons disease's distinctive symptoms and patients' tales of 
suffering, most of the medical community don't see the disease as real, with 
some doctors telling patients it's all in their head. 
   
  Morgellons disease may remain a mystery, but cysticercosis does not.  Doctors 
say washing hands, cooking meats thoroughly, especially pork, and washing 
fruits and vegetables are the best ways to avoid the disease.



 
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Re: [Biofuel] Pendulum

[Kirk McLoren]

Joe some people pay even more. Thats why I am so tickled to see the rate on my 
daughters house in Oregon to be 4 1/2 cents. Helps being within 10 miles of 
McNary Dam :)

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Holy crap Wes you're paying 15 cents per 
Kwh?  (yes don't forget the hours unit, or are you taking almost 3 hours to do 
this work?)  I pay 6 cents or near a third of that.  Where do you live man?

Joe

Wes Moore wrote:
  Oh yes I read what you wrote.  You seem to think I should be 
concerned about the latent energy from the atmosphere and count it as the input 
cost. The input cost is what we need to do to make it work.  Here in the real 
world where I live I can buy 8221 Btu (2.383Kw) of electrical energy for about 
35.5 cents Canadian and turn it into $1.36 worth of energy. When I use just a 
little of the energy from the sun I increase the return on the input cost to 
$1.77.  Who do you think I should pay to balance the account. 
  I have no argument with you saying the latent energy in the atmosphere is the 
difference so you can balance your equation.  Calculating the energy extracted 
from the atmosphere simply allows one to calculate what the over unity factor 
is.  Seems pretty simple to me.  
   
  I am glad the engineers who first built this system seemed to see things the 
way I do.  I am sorry you don’t agree.
   
  Wes


  
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Re: [Biofuel] Pendulum

[Kirk McLoren]

Actually Wes a heat pump ins a heat transport machine. The amount it transports 
is proportional to the difference in temperature of the 2 coils. Source and 
sink in other words. The amount they transport is compared to that amount of 
heat produced in a resistor. If you think of it as a train carrying heat and 
the difference in temperature the hill the train carries it over you can see 
that the definition of standard conditions determines the theoretical COP. I 
would have to look it up as I dont remember the conditions any more but I seem 
to recall that a perfect machine would Have a COP of 12 or 13. A machine of 6 
would be a pretty good compromise in materials as a machine to be perfect would 
have huge heat exchangers and a monstrous compressor to keep mass velocities 
low. At an arbitrarily small difference in temperature the ratio would of 
course approach infinity. But it is just transporting heat.
   
  A machine that actually worked without input of heat or mechanical; or 
electrical work, or produced more work than was input would be an over unity 
machine.
  As an example think of a pipe with an osmotic membrane on one end - a reverse 
osmosis membrane. As you inserted it into the ocean at some depth the pressure 
would be adequate to cause pure water to flow into the pipe. Since sea water is 
3% denser than fresh water at some depth the weight of the column of fresh 
water and the required pressure to operate the membrane would be supplied by 
the weight of the external salt water. At that point fresh water would flow out 
the top of the pipe sans pump. That would be an over unity machine.
   
  Kirk

Wes Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


Robin, 
As with all new applications to old concepts it is necessary to take time
for in-depth understanding of both old and new applications in order to form
a new qualified response. 
I have been experimenting with this concept and made a few observations. 
1, there seems to be a difference in the transfer of energy according to the
material used to suspend the pendulum. String, wire, or rope seems to absorb
some of the motive energy. I am presently using all thread rod.
2, you need more info on the individual pump he is using. Even if the pump
design calls for a 3 stroke, if it works with a 1/2 stroke because of an
inherent principle in the design, then so be it. You may have noticed this
if you have ever used an old homestead water pump.
3, the distance factor in transference of energy seems to bother so many
folks. I live in Canada, space just is not that crowded here! I have spent
a bit of time speaking with qualified minds about this project. I have
discovered that every thing this man is doing is easily explained by
physics. This does not preclude that he is using energy in a way that is
more efficient than other methods and therefore is putting in a certain
amount of energy and receiving 9 more units back.
This is not more astounding than the heat pump that heats my home. It is
giving me a COP of 5. This is documented by ASHRAE tech data that comes
with the unit. I have verified it with my amp meter. Heat pumps are
recognized to be over unity devices but it seems they have not been
criticized possibly because there is no obvious way to translate this energy
back to electricity.
4, researching this concept has led me to info that idicates by pulsing a DC
electric current at 10,000 to 20,000 hertz you give the energy a kick in the
pants allowing it to take advantage of motive force. This is seen in the
example of pushing a child on a swing.
5, it has helped me to understand how the new furnace fan motors operate
that work on DC current so much more efficiently. The DC motor comes with a
motor controller that is explained as a simple AC/DC convertor. However, at
trade shows they demonstrate the magic by connecting a small 9v battery just
like you would have in your smoke detector. They show this battery start
and operate the fan (they demonstrate only for a bit less than a minute of
course)
Wes 

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From: R Pentney 
Subject: [Biofuel] Pendulum
Pick up a 10 lb weight with a rope or chain and swing it so you can 
feel the extra weight at the bottom of the swing. Now shorten the 
rope by half and try it again. The impulse is less, of course much 
faster reps and therefore the time during which the impulse is 
applied is much less - therefore less work is done.
Now look again at his pictures. That pendulum has such a ridiculously 
short length it cannot possibly pump water on its own. The impulse 
time is too short to move the pump lever far enough.
Anybody care to try the math?
Robin








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[Biofuel] Fwd: Side splitting humor

[Kirk McLoren]

Fun
  Kirk


  

Its an hour long but it had me in stitches half way through - if you 
have the time for 
   
  a good laugh - its a must see - hippy man thing from the 60's crossed with 
2007
   
  (you can always download it and watch it at your leisure)
   
   
  
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4217775114437878358q=bill+bailey+part+troll
   


 
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[Biofuel] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Kirk McLoren]

holy_calamity writes Two Carnegie Mellon researchers have designed an
[0]open source 3D printer that costs just $2,400. The self-assembly kit
is part of what they call the [EMAIL PROTECTED] project — they hope it will
spark development of rapid prototyping for the consumer market in the
same way the Altair 8800 did for personal computing in seventies. Here
is a [2]video showing a completed machine constructing a silicone bulb
(16-MB WMV).

Discuss this story at:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=07/01/09/2239206

Links:
0. 
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1. http://www.fabathome.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] H2 Fuel Cell Efficiencies (was Water Powered Engine / Electrolysis)

[Kirk McLoren]

I saw a Canadian outfit but didnt bookmark it.
  They were selling to industrial users.
  Home use means unskilled in maintenance so I am not sure how they will cross 
that bridge.
   
  Kirk

Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Kirk,
those efficiency numbers look like the DOE short term targets from when 
I was researching my book. I see they are still counting waste heat as 
part of the efficiency (CHP).

Do you know of someone actually selling units with these efficiencies 
(validated by third parties and guaranteed to clients by vendors) in the 
commercial market?

The disadvantages make interesting reading though, don't they?

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Re: [Biofuel] Water Powered Engine / Electrolysis

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Comparison of Fuel Cell Technologies 
  Fuel Cell Type 
Common 
  Electrolyte 
Operating Temperature 
System Output 
Efficiency 
Applications 
Advantages
Disadvantages
  Polymer Electrolyte Membrane (PEM)* 
Solid organic polymer poly-perfluorosulfonic acid 
50 - 100°C 
  122 - 212°F 
1kW – 250kW 
50-60% electric 
 
  • Back-up power 
  • Portable power 
  • Small distributed generation 
  • Transportation 
 
   
  • Solid electrolyte reduces corrosion  electrolyte management problems 
  • Low temperature 
  • Quick start-up 
 
   
  • Requires expensive catalysts 
  • High sensitivity to fuel impurities 
  • Low temperature waste heat 
  Alkaline (AFC) 
Aqueous solution of potassium hydroxide soaked in a matrix 
90 - 100°C 
  194 - 212°F 
10kW – 100kW 
60-70% electric 
 
  • Military 
  • Space 
 
   
  • Cathode reaction faster in alkaline electrolyte so high performance 
 
   
  • Expensive removal of CO2 from fuel and air streams required 
  Phosphoric Acid (PAFC) 
Liquid phosphoric acid soaked in a matrix 
150 - 200°C 
  302 - 392°F 
50kW – 1MW 
  (250kW module typical) 
80 to 85% overall with combined heat and power (CHP 
  (36-42% electric) 
 
  • Distributed generation 
 
   
  • High efficiency 
  • Increased tolerance to impurities in hydrogen 
  • Suitable for CHP 
 
   
  • Requires platinum catalysts 
  • Low current and power 
  • Large size/weight 
  Molten Carbonate (MCFC) 
Liquid solution of lithium, sodium, and/or potassium carbonates, soaked in 
a matrix 
600 - 700°C 
  1112 - 1292°F 
1kW – 1MW 
  (250kW module typical) 
85% overall with CHP 
  (60% electric) 
 
  • Electric utility 
  • Large distributed generation 
 
   
  • High efficiency 
  • Fuel flexibility 
  • Can use a variety of catalysts 
  • Suitable for CHP 
 
   
  • High temperature speeds corrosion and breakdown of cell components 
  • Complex electrolyte management 
  • Slow start-up 
  Solid Oxide (SOFC) 
Solid zirconium oxide to which a small amount of yttira is added 
650 - 1000°C 
  1202 - 1832°F 
5kW – 3MW 
85% overall with CHP 
  (60% electric) 
 
  • Auxiliary power 
  • Electric utility 
  • Large distributed generation 
 
   
  • High efficiency 
  • Fuel flexibility 
  • Can use a variety of catalysts 
  • Solid electrolyte reduces electrolyte management problems 
  • Suitable for CHP 
 
   
  • High temperature enhances corrosion and breakdown of cell components 
  • Slow start-up 
  

http://www.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/fuelcells/fc_types.html
   
  pdf link at bottom of page
   
  Kirk
   
   
   
  Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Kirk McLoren wrote:
 Fuel cells of 50% efficiency can be purchased now.

Really? Where?

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[Biofuel] needless to say this got funding from gvt

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DNA So Dangerous It Doesn't Exist
from the scramble-your-genes dept.
posted by samzenpus on Thursday January 04, @05:07 (Biotech)
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Re: [Biofuel] Vacation in a self sustaining society

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I would like to do that!
  What a great holiday.
  Kirk

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi all;

Since we talk so much about sustainability here I thought I would share 
some news of my vacation in Cuba. On the one hand I guess my trip could 
be viewed as an exercise in hipocracy from a sustainability perspective 
what with flying down there on a jet etc. Forgive me oh lord of 
climatological repercussions. I traveled around a lot in the country for 
two weeks finding accomodations with local families. It was pretty cool 
hiking around eating fresh oranges picked from a tree on the side of the 
path, walking through fields of beans, corn, sugar cane and tobacco. 
Everything I ate was locally produced. Tropical fruits, vegetables, pork 
and chicken all from within walking distance. Even farmers brew coffee. 
There are of course huge social problems especially in the cities which 
are mostly born out of the political climate but they are miles ahead of 
me in terms of obtaining for my needs from local sources. One more 
memorable moment I will share was smoking a cigar that was made for me 
before my eyes by a tobacco farmer. She led me into the thatched roof 
curing barn where the leaves hung from racks and grabbing a few, within 
a minute she rolled them into a cigar on her bare thigh. Yes I know it 
is supposed to be the thigh of a virginI don't think that was the 
case but it was still a great smoke!

Happy New Year everybody

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Re: [Biofuel] Drivers face road charge by satellite in UK

[Kirk McLoren]

yes, they are out of control and they are fearful -thus the desire for the 
security state.
  we are ruled by nutters
   
  Kirk

Luke Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It's disappointing to see this kind of implementation
of domestic spying smoothly masked by environmental
concern. Yes Kirk, you have a legitimate point, but
christ, a tracking device...that you have to pay for!

In Washington state we passed a measure where an
additional vehicle registration fee is assesed based
on vehicle weight. The more you weigh, the more you
pay. Relatively simple...although it doesn't make up
for irregular vehicle usage...but on the other hand,
the man doesn't know where you are in real time.

I do laud the brit's efforts to minimize driving and
driving-related pollution, but this certainly isn't
the way that I think is best to implement it. Plus,
c'mon, George Orwell would be rolling over in his
grave if he knew about this.

Isn't it enough that you can't protest directly in
front of government buildings in the UK anymore? Hell,
maybe I should just stop being such an old-fashioned
luddite, but the future is beginning to look too much
like a science-fiction movie for my liking.

BTW, I'm all for mass-transit and bicycling...hell,
even walking for a change!




--- Kirk McLoren wrote:

 The major destroyer of roads in my region is over
 gross commercial vehicles during hot weather.
 Down by the potato plant they put grooves in the
 road in 6 weeks. Under proper loads that road lasts
 15 years.
 Need more men with portable scales 
 or strain guages built into 18 wheeler trailers.
 
 Kirk
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In the late 1980's I read a study by Pollution
 Probe of Toronto which
 calculated that if all costs incured by cars and
 their drivers were paid
 by a fuel tax, gasoline would cost $5 or $6 Canadian
 per Imperial gallon.
 Today it would be double that price. I recall that
 medical costs of
 accidents and the cost of policing (to prevent even
 worse carnage on the
 roads) were major components of the high cost of
 driving.
 
 As I recall, these calculations did not include the
 high costs of urban
 infrastructure made necessary by sprawl to
 accomodate cars.
 
 As James Howard Kunstler has pointed out, the car
 culture and the
 settlement patterns it has produced are so expensive
 to operate in a time
 of high-cost oil in declining supply, that their
 appalling costs will
 force a very painful change to a more rational
 transportation and
 settlement pattern. We wouldn't be in this desperate
 situation if it
 hadn't been for the political pressure of automotive
 welfare bums and the
 corporate interests and the politicians who pander
 to them.
 
 Making drivers pay their way is the first step to
 economic rationality and
 a future that doesn't involve freezing in the dark.
 If you don't want Big
 Brother to know where you are, take the bus or the
 train. Air travelers
 have been dealing with this for years.
 
 Doug Woodard
 St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
 
 
 
  UK - Road tax - Government petition
  From: Loren Brown
 
  Subject: FW: Road tax - Government petition
  This is the biggest move to tax  infringe on
  privacy ever proposed in this Country [UK]!
 
  It was stated on the news this morning (27th
  November 2006) one of the reasons this proposal
  has been suggested was to raise money for
  possible road building and improvements to
  existing roads. It should be noted that all the
  money currently collected by the DVLA for road
  fund licences, only 23% - 24% is actually spent
  on road building and improvements!
 
  The government's proposal to introduce road
  pricing will mean you having to purchase a
  tracking device for your car and paying a monthly
  bill to use it. The tracking device will cost
  about £200 and in a recent study by the BBC the
  lowest monthly bill was £28 for a rural florist
  and £194 for a delivery driver. A non working Mum
  who used the car to take the kids to school paid
  £86 in one month. On top of this massive increase
  in tax, you will be tracked. Somebody will know
  where you are at all times. They will also know
  how fast you have been going, so even if you
  accidentally creep over a speed limit you can
  expect an NIP with your monthly bill. If you care
  about our freedoms and stopping the constant
  bashing of the car driver, please sign the
  petition on No 10's new website, sign up here
  
  Even if you don't have a car please feel free to
 forward this e-mail on.
 
 
 
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Re: [Biofuel] Drivers face road charge by satellite in UK

[Kirk McLoren]

The major destroyer of roads in my region is over gross commercial vehicles 
during hot weather.
  Down by the potato plant they put grooves in the road in 6 weeks. Under 
proper loads that road lasts 15 years.
  Need more men with portable scales 
  or strain guages built into 18 wheeler trailers.
   
  Kirk

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In the late 1980's I read a study by Pollution Probe of Toronto which
calculated that if all costs incured by cars and their drivers were paid
by a fuel tax, gasoline would cost $5 or $6 Canadian per Imperial gallon.
Today it would be double that price. I recall that medical costs of
accidents and the cost of policing (to prevent even worse carnage on the
roads) were major components of the high cost of driving.

As I recall, these calculations did not include the high costs of urban
infrastructure made necessary by sprawl to accomodate cars.

As James Howard Kunstler has pointed out, the car culture and the
settlement patterns it has produced are so expensive to operate in a time
of high-cost oil in declining supply, that their appalling costs will
force a very painful change to a more rational transportation and
settlement pattern. We wouldn't be in this desperate situation if it
hadn't been for the political pressure of automotive welfare bums and the
corporate interests and the politicians who pander to them.

Making drivers pay their way is the first step to economic rationality and
a future that doesn't involve freezing in the dark. If you don't want Big
Brother to know where you are, take the bus or the train. Air travelers
have been dealing with this for years.

Doug Woodard
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada



 UK - Road tax - Government petition
 From: Loren Brown

 Subject: FW: Road tax - Government petition
 This is the biggest move to tax  infringe on
 privacy ever proposed in this Country [UK]!

 It was stated on the news this morning (27th
 November 2006) one of the reasons this proposal
 has been suggested was to raise money for
 possible road building and improvements to
 existing roads. It should be noted that all the
 money currently collected by the DVLA for road
 fund licences, only 23% - 24% is actually spent
 on road building and improvements!

 The government's proposal to introduce road
 pricing will mean you having to purchase a
 tracking device for your car and paying a monthly
 bill to use it. The tracking device will cost
 about £200 and in a recent study by the BBC the
 lowest monthly bill was £28 for a rural florist
 and £194 for a delivery driver. A non working Mum
 who used the car to take the kids to school paid
 £86 in one month. On top of this massive increase
 in tax, you will be tracked. Somebody will know
 where you are at all times. They will also know
 how fast you have been going, so even if you
 accidentally creep over a speed limit you can
 expect an NIP with your monthly bill. If you care
 about our freedoms and stopping the constant
 bashing of the car driver, please sign the
 petition on No 10's new website, sign up here
 
 Even if you don't have a car please feel free to forward this e-mail on.



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Re: [Biofuel] It's next year already

[Kirk McLoren]

and to you Keith and to all the list members
   
  I predict 2007 will be a year to remember
  Amazing change on the horizon
   
  Happy New Year to all
  Kirk

Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I think the New Zealanders get there first, before we do here in 
Japan, but they're probably all drunk by now, so it's me who gets to 
say:

Happy New Year!

All best to all, and if you just so happen to celebrate the birth of 
the year at some other stage, well happy anyway.

Regards, and thanks!

Keith Addison
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KYOTO Pref., Japan
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Re: [Biofuel] Radiation Ovens, the Proven Dangers of Microwaves

[Kirk McLoren]

you can only do the best you can.
  Some things may not be clear.
  The microwave evidence is clear.
  We ceased microwaving after the Swiss study.
  I hope you do the same.
   
  Kirk

robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Keith Addison wrote:   
Sympathies Robert (though we're all in the same lifeboat), but are   you sure 
you're figuring it right? Maybe the next sentence would be   but I didn't die 
long go so it must all be nonsense.

No, that's not what I was thinking.  The sheer volume of environmental 
insult we're subjected to seems overwhelming, and depressing.  Someone posted 
an article here about water contamination in the pristine lakes of various BC 
mountain ranges, due to airborne pollutants.  We simply can't get away from the 
problem anymore.  The air quality in Vancouver (right on the beach) is often 
marginal because of smog blowing in from Asia.

Sigh . . .

But the fact that I HAVEN'T keeled over yet is a tribute to the robust 
nature of the human body.

  
 But are you   going to live as long and as healthily as your grandparents did, 
say? 

Likely more.  I've already outlived my father, and I've only a few years 
remaining before I outlive my paternal grandmother.  Recall, however, that my 
family is from Brasil, and that life expectancy among my grandparent's 
generation wasn't great . . .  If I outlive my in-laws, I'll be doing well!

  
How about your children?

That concerns me!
  
 You still have some difficulty grasping the   Precautionary Principle eh? More 
than enough reason for at least   precaution in all thoise issues you mention. 
You'd rather have proof   beyond all possibility of denial while various 
corporate bottom-lines   get optimised even better and even more crap gets 
externalised your   way? Powerful stuff denial, especially considering the 
gigabuck   resources of the deniers. Downright pity about all the collateral in 
  the meantime though.

Indeed!  But my take on this is a little bit more complicated than you seem 
to grasp.  I grew up in a subculture where taboos on food were related to a 
person's spiritual condition and had to be accepted without criticism.  Cheese, 
for instance, was considered unfit for human consumption.  (I'm NOT kidding!)  
The consumption of meat was frowned upon, and NOBODY ate pork or shellfish.  We 
didn't drink alcohol,  or take drugs (unless prescribed by a physician, and 
then, only with great reluctance).  We didn't smoke cigarettes, or chew tobacco 
either.  Some of these things are clearly unhealthy, while the impact on health 
of the prohibited foods is either scientifically unsupported or downright silly.

But I wouldn't have come to that conclusion had I not begun questioning 
what had been presented to me as fact.  As far as the Precautionary Principle 
is concerned, you're right to point out that I'm having trouble embracing it, 
but please bear in mind that it's a very different way of thinking, and it 
takes time to assimilate what I learn here.  (I've already abandoned 
vegetarianism, and that was REALLY tough!)  It gets to the point where it seems 
EVERYTHING is bad for human health, the sky is falling and we're all going to 
die horribly . . .

Now, as far as microwave ovens are concerned, my sweetheart uses ours for 
reheating food and I use it when warming water for tea.  If we applied the 
Precautionary Principle to our society as a whole, we'd have to get rid of 
electricity because of EMF concerns, fossil hydrocarbon fuels because of cancer 
and global warming worries, mineral extraction because of heavy metals leaching 
into groundwater, and on and on and on . . .

Perhaps I'm overstating the case, and maybe this stems from the fact that I 
really haven't wrapped my mind around the Precautionary Principle yet.  But 
where DOES it stop, Keith?  (Air and water pollution are pretty obvious 
candidates for broad based application of the Precautionary Principle, but what 
about mineral extraction, or forestry?  Can we survive as a society without 
mining some of the earth's dowry?)  I can hear the extremists from my past 
screaming that milk is designed to grow a calf into a cow for a year, and 
that we should never consume milk or milk products because of potential 
deleterious impacts on human health.  They too, cite studies to prove their 
point and tell me that the arthritis in my joints stems from drinking milk over 
such a long period of time.

Please forgive me for ranting about this.  I'm TRYING to understand, but 
I'm frustrated, too!

  
Some further bracingly cheerful news for you, from Acres USA:  
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/microwave.html  The Hidden Hazards of 
Microwave Cooking

Lovely!

I reheat most of my food in the toaster oven, and I've been trying to get 
my longsuffering wife to do the same.  I'm printing this article for her to 
read.

(growing things again)
  
  We're under snow right now but 

Re: [Biofuel] Water Powered Engine / Electrolysis

[Kirk McLoren]

The literature for industrial chemistry has process efficiency as part of the 
discussion.
  An important part if you are in business.
  As for video I can tell you and show you anything. You cant verify what is 
shown.
  Things that seem to be too good to be true usually are.
  If they had a rational efficient process we would all be interested.
   
  Kirk

Andrew Katerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If that is the case, how do you explain a car that runs off of this? I have 
seen video, and from what I understand it runs off only the normal battery used 
to start the car and the hydrogen remove from sea water. I am not an expert on 
this at all, but it definately interests me. By the way, where do you get the 
efficiences for an electrolysis reactor? 
   
  Andrew

 
  On 12/28/06, Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is this.
  The electrolyser is 70% efficient best case.
  The engine is 30% efficient best case - in use probably 8%
  So we have .7 x .3 = .21 conversion of electricity to rear wheel power best 
case.
  And what losses are associated with the electricity?
  they make the 21 % even lower and what powered the electricity?
   
  Websites like this are a cruel joke at best.
   
  If photovoltaics were free and ran an electrolyzer during the day to charge 
a hydride tank that you could refill from when you got home then a hydrogen 
vehicle would be viable.
  Better yet a fuel cell to escape the low efficiency of thermal processes. 
Fuel cells of 50% efficiency can be purchased now. Then a fuel cell electric 
car. Or 2 battery banks rotated daily - that may get you above 80% on 
storage/transport of power. Likewise 90% on electric motors can be achieved. 
Burning hydrogen in internal combustion is wasteful. 
   
  Kirk   

Andrew Katerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Just trying to pick the brains of the rest of the world 
   
  This is pertaining to gasoline engines being run off of hydrogen from an 
electrolysis reaction onboard the vehicle.
  http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans_doc.htm
   
  What is the probability of this working correctly? Anyone done it?
   
  Thanks,
  Andrew

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Re: [Biofuel] Water Powered Engine / Electrolysis

[Kirk McLoren]

Because you could go a minimum of 4 times further down the road if you put the 
electricity into a NiMH battery bank and drove the vehicle with an electric 
motor.
   
  Kirk

Jan Warnqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello Doug, Andrew et al.
Hydrogen gas has a fine heat value, which makes it very interesting as an
energy source. However, as Doug pointed out, it will be necessary to obtain
the energy for the electrolysis from an outer source, why not from solar
cells, to make the energy balance favourable. Good Luck !
Jan Warnqvist
AGERATEC AB

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From: 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Water Powered Engine / Electrolysis


 What this amounts to is a really lousy, incompetent attempt at a perpetual
 motion machine.

 You have to put in the energy to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen,
 then you get back the same energy when they recombine. There would be no
 surplus to run the vehicle even if every stage was perfectly efficient,
 which they are very far from being.

 Doug Woodard
 St, Catharines, Ontario, Canada


  Just trying to pick the brains of the rest of the world
 
  This is pertaining to gasoline engines being run off of hydrogen from an
  electrolysis reaction onboard the vehicle.
  http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans_doc.htm
 
  What is the probability of this working correctly? Anyone done it?
 
  Thanks,
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Re: [Biofuel] Top scientists say man may need to dirty skies to shield against warming - CP Wire - 2006.11.16

[Kirk McLoren]

If all new and replaced roofs were white how much would that do?
  What if highways were white?
What if the cars on them and so on.
  Kirk
  
Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  And now from the if your toe hurts, fix it by smashing your thumb with
a hammer department ... Darryl
=
Byline: BY CHARLES J. HANLEY
The ``shade'' would be a layer of pollution
deliberately spewed into the atmosphere to help cool
the planet. This over-the-top idea comes from
prominent scientists, among them a Nobel laureate.
The reaction here at the UN conference on climate
change is a mix of caution, curiosity and some
resignation to such ``massive and drastic'' operations,
as the chief UN climatologist describes them.
The Nobel Prize-winning scientist who first made the
proposal is himself ``not enthusiastic about it.''
``It was meant to startle the policy makers,'' said Paul
Crutzen, of Germany's Max Planck Institute for
Chemistry. ``If they don't take action much more
strongly than they have in the past, then in the end we
have to do experiments like this.''
Serious people are taking Crutzen's idea seriously.
This weekend, NASA's Ames Research Center in
Moffett Field, Calif., hosts a closed-door, high-level
workshop on the global haze proposal and other
``geoengineering'' ideas for fending off climate
change.
In Nairobi, meanwhile, hundreds of delegates were
wrapping up a two-week conference expected to only
slowly advance efforts to rein in greenhouse gases
blamed for much of the half-degree Celsius rise in
global temperatures in the past century.
The 1997 Kyoto Protocol requires modest emission
cutbacks by industrial countries, but not the United
States, the biggest emitter of carbon dioxide and
other heat-trapping gases, because it rejected the deal.
Talks on what to do after Kyoto expires in 2012 are
all but bogged down.
When he published his proposal in the journal
Climatic Change in August, Crutzen cited a ``grossly
disappointing international political response'' to
warming.
The Dutch climatologist, awarded a 1995 Nobel in
chemistry for his work uncovering the threat to
Earth's atmospheric ozone layer, suggested that
balloons bearing heavy guns be used to carry
sulphates high aloft and fire them into the
stratosphere.
While carbon dioxide keeps heat from escaping
Earth, substances such as sulphur dioxide, a common
air pollutant, reflect solar radiation, helping cool the
planet.
Tom Wigley, a senior U.S. government climatologist,
followed Crutzen's article with a paper of his own on
Oct. 20 in the leading U.S. journal Science. Like
Crutzen, Wigley cited the precedent of the huge
volcanic eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the
Philippines in 1991.
Pinatubo shot so much sulfurous debris into the
stratosphere that it is believed it cooled the Earth by
0.5 degrees C for about a year.
Wigley ran scenarios of stratospheric sulphate
injection, on the scale of Pinatubo's estimated nine
million tonnes of sulphur, through supercomputer
models of the climate, and reported that Crutzen's
idea would, indeed, seem to work. Even half that
amount per year would help, he wrote.
A massive dissemination of pollutants would be
needed every year or two, as the sulphates precipitate
from the atmosphere in acid rain.
Wigley said a temporary shield would give political
leaders more time to reduce human dependence on
fossil fuels, the main source of greenhouse gases. He
said experts must more closely study the feasibility of
the idea and its possible effects on stratospheric
chemistry.
Nairobi conference participants agreed.
``Yes, by all means, do all the research,'' Indian
climatologist Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the
2,000-scientist UN network on climate change, told
The Associated Press.
But ``if human beings take it upon themselves to
carry out something as massive and drastic as this,
we need to be absolutely sure there are no side
effects,'' Pachauri said.
Philip Clapp, a veteran campaigner for emissions
controls to curb warming, also sounded a nervous
note, saying, ``We are already engaged in an
uncontrolled experiment by injecting greenhouse
gases into the atmosphere.''
But Clapp, president of the U.S. group National
Environmental Trust, said, ``I certainly don't disagree
with the urgency.''
In past years scientists have scoffed at the idea of air
pollution as a solution for global warming, saying
that the kind of sulphate haze that would be needed is
deadly to people. Last month, the World Heath
Organization said air pollution kills about two million
people worldwide each year and that reducing large
soot-like particles from sulfates in cities could save
300,000 lives annually.
American geophysicist Jonathan Pershing, of
Washington's World Resources Institute, is among
those wary of unforeseen consequences, but said the
idea might be worth considering ``if down the road
25 years, it becomes more and more severe because
we didn't deal with the problem.''
By telephone from Germany, Crutzen said that's 

[Biofuel] Fwd: [PSI_corps] Re: it figures.

[Kirk McLoren]

The bottom link is a MUST SEE
  Kirk


  



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Re: [Biofuel] Anyone done an EV conversion?

[Kirk McLoren]

The fellow at redrok solar has the cleverest battery controller I have seen. 
Each cell is idividually controlled so you can run the max out of a bank. Also 
is simple in the sense exotic magnetics arent involved. You just select in 2v 
increments your power. As a cell drops a fresher cell is substituted so the 
hottest are used.
  Damn clever.
   
  Kirk

Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I am in the process of doing a conversion of a 1974 ford courier pickup -- 
lots of weight capacity, but only a 2,500lb vehical empty.  I haven't decided 
whether to do an AC or DC drive system yet (about $5,000 for the DC, or $8,000 
for the AC).  But if I do a DC, I'll definitly do about 156VDC or higher.  The 
higher the voltage, the higher the power you can get from the same motor -- a 
ford ranger conversion with the 156 volt DC drive system can keep up 70+ on the 
highway even on hills -- better than my old diesel truck -- till the batteries 
start going dead at least.  The AC systems are about 300 volt battery bank.
I second the suggestion to read Bob Brant's book.   If you just want to tool 
around the flatland at 30mph, the van should be fine, even with a 96 volt 
system...  but not on hills or highways.  I have a friend who has a electric 
gorilla (basically an ATV).  It's only 36 volts, and can pull a tandem axle 
trailer with a car on it around the yard.   Torque.   

  On 12/27/06, William Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I should have 
specified - battery to vehicle weight 30% or greater.

Oregon Bob
- Original Message -
From: William Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Anyone done an EV conversion?


 Read Bob Brant's book Build Your Own Electric Vehicle. He say s 30% or 
 greater.

 Good Luck,

 Oregon Bob
 - Original Message -
 From: Luke Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 9:03 AM
 Subject: [Biofuel] Anyone done an EV conversion?


 I'm thinking of attempting a conversion on my 1976
 Chevy 1/2 ton van. Maybe a simple 96-volt
 system...series wire eight 12V car batteries that I
 find lying around. The range would suck, but this is 
 more just for shits and giggles anyways. Also, feel
 free to shoot me down here, but I've heard of folks
 using their starter motors as drive motors for the
 cars themselves...anyone care to comment? 

 Thanks,
 Luke

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Re: [Biofuel] Good idea, Grow your own vit C

[Kirk McLoren]

Actually you will do better than now as many vitamins are synthetic and suffer 
from the problem of non biologically active isomer. Sprouts are better than 
most B complex as they are the real deal. Likewise 8 hens in a moveable hen 
enclosure and fed fresh greens make healthy eggs. Eggs from the store are - 
bluntly and honestly stated - crap.
  You waste your money buying them. Without a rooster your neighbors may not 
even know you have them. My uncle in North Hollywood Ca kept them in his 
backyard. Just need to keep them from wandering.
  If you rely on pharma and allopaths you are in for a big disappointment. 
Maybe a long healthy life is not on your list of desireables. In that case. . . 
   
  BTW I think anyone who starts gallon plants and sells them to those needing C 
etc are doing a good work. Can become a nice business too.
   
  The whores did a test of C, E and another forget which showing vitamins 
dont help. My friend in the quantities they used they dont. The C dosage was 
1/4 gram per day. This is consistent with the ridiculous daily allowance 
advocated by them so all should become clear.
   
  Kirk
  
BTW vitamin tests in which no distinction is made re isomers is useless as well
  The synthetic isomer which does not work is worse than just filler. It binds 
the receptor site but the reaction does not proceed. Thats why herbs usually 
work far better than drugstore pills.
  The pharma people know this but rig tests and studies to get the results they 
want.
   
   
   
  
D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since Big Pharma (with gov cooperation) is out to take away our
vitamins, it's time to start growing your own. Maybe by the time
the codex alimentarius is due to kick in, I believe it's 2009, you'll have some 
sea buckthorns with berries.  Peace, D. Mindock  grow your own vita C (and 
etc.)   Posted by: Gail Raby [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:00 pm 
(PST)   Get some sea buckthorn seeds and grow your vita C.

I have been growing herbs and plants
for landscaping for a long time. If they were edible, that was cool, 
but the primary reason for growing them was their ornamental value.

I guess now --- since the lame duck congress did their dastardly 
deed in the early morning hours (last chance for some to get that Big 
Pharm handout) --- I am going to start buying/seeding and growing the 
ones thatare primarily medicinal and vitamin or mineral dense.

Sea buckthorn is one of those nutrient dense berry plants. I plan to 
order seeds of this ; so far I have not seen info on how long it takes 
before it bears fruit from seed.

As to rose hips, many nurseries carry the rosa rugosa which is the one 
(if I remember correctly) that makes the huge rose hips, another source of Vita 
C 
complex.

Maybe its time for us all to move to the country and start our own 
personal herb pharm.
Horizon Herbs is another good source of medicinal herb seeds.

Hope this info helps.

(Hippophae Rhamnoides) Studies conducted in 20th century confirm 
numerous beneficial nutritional properties of Sea Buckthorn. The 
berries appear to be an unsurpassed natural source of vitamins A and 
several other carotenes, vitamin E and several other tocopherols. Sea 
Buckthorn berries are second only to Rose hips and Acerola in vitamin C 
content. They are also rich in several other vitamins, including B1, 
B2, K and P as well as in numerous flavonoids. Furthermore, the berries 
have remarkably high content of essential fatty acids and phytosterols.

The EFA content in the Sea Buckthorn oil extract is 80 - 95%. Major 
EFAs are oleic (C18:1) and linoleic(C18:2). Others are pentadecenoic 
(C15:1), palmitoleic (C16:1), heptadecenoic (C17:1), linolenic (C18:3), 
eicosenoic (C20:1), eicosadienoic (C20:2), erucic (C22:1) and nervonic 
(C24:1). Among the carotenes found in Sea Buckthorn are alfa- and 
beta-carotenes, lycopene, cryptoxanthin, zeaxanthin, taraxanthin and 
phytofluin. Tocopherols are mostly represented by vitamin E and 
gamma-tocopherol. Phytosterols of Sea Buckthorn include 
beta-sitosterol, beta-amirol and erithrodiol.

Sand Mountain has 25 seeds for $2.50:
HIPPOPHAE RHAMNOIDES North Eurasian tree of increasing economic 
importance. Orange berries are rich source of vitamins A and C, and 
make pleasing sauces, jellies and marmalades. The juice is used as a 
sweetener for herbal teas. Decoction used to treat skin eruptions. 
Seeds require 90 days stratification at 5C/40F to overcome dormancy. 
Price: $2.50/pkt

If you want to buy a ready grown bush, check out ONE GREEN WORLD. 
Pretty pricey (20+ per plant) since you have to have both 2 shrubs -- 
both a male and female bush Still, they will most likely crop 
sooner than growing from seed, and you can even order a specific 
cultivar.

Here is part of their blurb on this plant: Sea Berry is an extremely 
hardy and valuable fruiting plant. It is unique in its ability to 
produce crops in the most inhospitable areas. The fruit is very high in 
Vitamin 

Re: [Biofuel] Water Powered Engine / Electrolysis

[Kirk McLoren]

The problem is this.
  The electrolyser is 70% efficient best case.
  The engine is 30% efficient best case - in use probably 8%
  So we have .7 x .3 = .21 conversion of electricity to rear wheel power best 
case.
  And what losses are associated with the electricity?
  they make the 21 % even lower and what powered the electricity?
   
  Websites like this are a cruel joke at best.
   
  If photovoltaics were free and ran an electrolyzer during the day to charge 
a hydride tank that you could refill from when you got home then a hydrogen 
vehicle would be viable.
  Better yet a fuel cell to escape the low efficiency of thermal processes. 
Fuel cells of 50% efficiency can be purchased now. Then a fuel cell electric 
car. Or 2 battery banks rotated daily - that may get you above 80% on 
storage/transport of power. Likewise 90% on electric motors can be achieved. 
Burning hydrogen in internal combustion is wasteful.
   
  Kirk

Andrew Katerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just trying to pick the brains of the rest of the world 
   
  This is pertaining to gasoline engines being run off of hydrogen from an 
electrolysis reaction onboard the vehicle.
  http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans_doc.htm
   
  What is the probability of this working correctly? Anyone done it?
   
  Thanks,
  Andrew
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Re: [Biofuel] Law of Attraction

[Kirk McLoren]

Thanks Mike
   
  Kirk

MK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  We've talked about this in other words, also in reference to the 
video What the Bleep Do We Know?  This video expounds this issue further.  
You will need an hour and a half to view it.  Well worth your time.  In peace 
and light, Mike DuPree
   
  
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[Biofuel] oil news

[Kirk McLoren]

   
  http://donklephant.com/2006/12/26/2nd-largest-oil-field-drying-up-faster/
  12/27/06 - 2nd Largest Oil Field Drying Up Faster
It was an incredible revelation last week that the second largest oil field in 
the world is exhausted and past its peak output. Yet that is what the Kuwait 
Oil Company revealed about its Burgan field. The peak output of the Burgan oil 
field will now be around 1.7 million barrels per day, and not the two million 
barrels per day forecast for the rest of the field’s 30 to 40 years of life. 
Engineers had tried to maintain 1.9 million barrels per day but that 1.7 
million is the optimum rate. Kuwait will now spend some $3 million a year for 
the next year to boost output and exports from other fields.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,456212,00.html
   
  12/27/06 - Will Iraq's Oil Blessing Become a Curse?
When the country with the third largest oil reserves in the world debates the 
future of its endowment during a time of civil war, people sit up and take 
notice. The Iraqi government is working on a new hydrocarbons law that will set 
the course for the country's oil sector and determine where its vast revenues 
will flow. The consequences for such a law in such a state are huge. Not only 
could it determine the future shape of the Iraqi federation -- as regional 
governments battle with Baghdad's central authority over rights to the riches 
-- but it could put much of Iraqi oil into the hands of foreign oil companies. 
Governments are legally committing themselves to oil deals that they've 
negotiated from a position of weakness. And, the contracts typically span 
decades. Companies argue they need long-term legal security to justify huge 
investments in risky countries; the current draft recommends 15 to 20 years. 
Critics say the US is leaning on the IMF and World Bank to push Iraq
 into signing oil contracts fast, so western firms can secure the oil before 
Chinese, Indian and Russian firms do.
 

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Re: [Biofuel] Slouching Toward Chimeras

[Kirk McLoren]

Pinky tells me his friend the Brain assures him you are wrong
  Kirk

Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I wouldn't worry too much about human mice escaping into the 
environment. The first thing the mice would do would be to start a religion. 
Then the religion would split into different sects and they would start 
fighting each other and kill each other off.
Ken

  - Original Message 
From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 6:11:37 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Slouching Toward Chimeras

   Scientists injected human brain cells into mouse fetuses, creating a 
strain of mice that were approximately 1 percent human. Dr. Weissman is 
actively considering a follow-up experiment that would produce mice whose 
brains are 100 percent human. 
What if the mice escaped the laboratory and began to proliferate in the outside 
environment? What might be the ecological consequences of mice who think like 
human beings, let loose in nature? Dr. Weissman says he would keep a tight rein 
on the mice and if they showed any signs of humanness he would kill them. 
Hardly reassuring.







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[Biofuel] Fwd: seacrete --steve spence

[Kirk McLoren]

tried sending this direct but it wouldnt work
  Kirk

  

  You aware of this?
   
  http://www.stanford.edu/~erlee/seament/smp_refs.htm
   
  http://www.stanford.edu/~erlee/seament/seament.htm
   
  The process of applying an electric current to a cathode/anode grid in sea 
water, growing a concrete like structure. I remember articles about this 
maybe 20 years ago or so in either Popular Science or Popular Mechanics. If you 
have info on this topic, please contact me, Steve Spence
  Dave Irons asked about innovative methods to build a submersible or 
habitat. I read about a novel method and material some time ago which
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: seacrete --steve spence

[Kirk McLoren]

thanks Keith

Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Spence isn't here.

He used to be a member here too but he stormed out in fury - twice! 
- because he couldn't take what people were saying about Bushco and 
no WMDs or whatever but he didn't have any counter-arguments except 
that he hated it. He's welcome to think whatever he likes but it's a 
pity he can't be more honest about it and stop protesting so loudly 
after all this time (also two years). Not that it matters much.
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg62415.html

Best

Keith


tried sending this direct but it wouldnt work
Kirk



You aware of this?

http://www.stanford.edu/~erlee/seament/smp_refs.htm

http://www.stanford.edu/~erlee/seament/seament.htm

The process of applying an electric current to a cathode/anode grid 
in sea water, growing a concrete like structure. I remember 
articles about this maybe 20 years ago or so in either 
Popular Science or 
Popular Mechanics. If you have 
info on this topic, please contact me, 
Steve Spence
 Dave Irons asked about innovative methods to build a submersible 
or habitat. I read about a novel method and material some time ago 
which
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[Biofuel] EPA going to reduce hybrid mileage by ignoring electric driving.

[Kirk McLoren]

++
| Hybrids Beware? EPA Revises Mileage Standards  |
|   from the lies-damn-lies-and-downhill-coasters dept.  |
|   posted by timothy on Tuesday December 26, @16:04 (Power) |
|   http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/12/26/2021204 |
++

Shivetya writes The federal Environmental Protection Agency announced 
a
[0]new system for determining the fuel economy of many cars and trucks.
Hardest hit will be hybrids as all-electric driving is not considered. 
At
the same time, many medium-duty vehicles will get rated, but not have 
to
be published until 2011 This move to more realistic ratings will 
severely
reduce the high numbers some cars have posted.

Discuss this story at:
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Links:
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[Biofuel] Impeach Bush

[Kirk McLoren]

From discussion to action -- Michael Ratner and his fellow lawyers have 
drafted a call to impeach President Bush. 

 
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Re: [Biofuel] Anyone done an EV conversion?

[Kirk McLoren]

starter motors are not designed for continuous service.
   
  Kirk

Luke Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm thinking of attempting a conversion on my 1976
Chevy 1/2 ton van. Maybe a simple 96-volt
system...series wire eight 12V car batteries that I
find lying around. The range would suck, but this is
more just for shits and giggles anyways. Also, feel
free to shoot me down here, but I've heard of folks
using their starter motors as drive motors for the
cars themselves...anyone care to comment?

Thanks,
Luke

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Re: [Biofuel] Anyone done an EV conversion?

[Kirk McLoren]

http://www.kta-ev.com/
   
  http://www.eaaev.org/eaalinks.html
   
  Kirk
  

Luke Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thanks for the input Darryl,

It saddens me to read about the two failed van
conversions, as my van has quite a bit of sentimental
value to me, and the block cracked in our big freeze a
month ago (quite rare so close to the coast, but we
all know that anthropogenic climate change is just a
creation of our liberal media). It could just be
expansion (freeze) plugs, but I don't feel like
dropping the engine just to find out.

Granted, the van is one heavy piece of detroit steel,
but what exactly is the hang-up? Voltage? Total
weight? I'm guessing that most of the batterys' charge
is used in overcoming inertia, right?

*sigh* 'tis a daunting task at hand...but like the
good doctor says, when the going gets weird, the
weird get professional.

So, sounds like I can safely rule out the use of a
starter motor for a drive motor.

Why did the van projects die in progress?



--- Darryl McMahon wrote:

 I think I might be able to contribute something on
 the subject.
 
 I strongly recommend you visit my Web site first. 
 You might find 
 something of interest starting at:
 http://www.econogics.com/ev/evindex.htm
 
 Some other folks have said kind things about the
 material there over the 
 years.
 
 As to the specific points in your post.
 
 Forget the 1/2 ton van. Too heavy = too expensive
 to accomplish 
 anything of value. I have personally watched two
 Chev van conversion 
 projects die incomplete.
 
 96 volts is pretty conventional, there's lots of
 components available 
 there. However, it's not going to work with
 aircraft starter generators.
 
 Standard automotive batteries (starting, lighting,
 ignition: SLI) will 
 not survive long in a deep-discharge application. 
 There is plenty of 
 experience to prove this out. Automotive starter
 motors as propulsion 
 devices will die even faster. They are designed for
 short-term 
 operation (seconds) and a small load (turning the
 engine); not 
 continuous operation or the load of moving the
 vehicle. I have driven a 
 small car on its starter motor in an emergency
 situation. Went a few 
 hundred metres at about 5 km/h. The starter motor
 failed shortly 
 thereafter.
 
 If this is to be an educational experience, I highly
 recommend starting 
 with something smaller, that can still be useful. 
 For example, 
 electrify a bicycle, a garden tractor or other yard
 appliance, convert a 
 motorcycle or scooter, or build an Electrathon
 vehicle. You will learn 
 the same electrical and mechanical fundamentals, but
 on a much smaller 
 budget, and likely end up with something you will
 actually use afterward.
 
 Darryl McMahon
 (owner - 1973 Porsche 914 electric conversion, 1973
 General Electric 
 Elec-Trak E12 tractor, homebrew electric bicycle
 based on hub motor, 
 1999 Spincraft EB-1 solar electric boat and too many
 past, current and 
 future projects to mention).
 
 Luke Hansen wrote:
  I'm thinking of attempting a conversion on my 1976
  Chevy 1/2 ton van. Maybe a simple 96-volt
  system...series wire eight 12V car batteries that
 I
  find lying around. The range would suck, but this
 is
  more just for shits and giggles anyways. Also,
 feel
  free to shoot me down here, but I've heard of
 folks
  using their starter motors as drive motors for the
  cars themselves...anyone care to comment?
  
  Thanks,
  Luke
  
 
 -- 
 Darryl McMahon
 It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who
 will?
 
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Re: [Biofuel] City plants save millions in energy costs - Ottawa Citizen - 2006.12.22

[Kirk McLoren]

The Hyperion plant has been doing this for 30 years (LosAngeles)
  Kirk

Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Now that's what he's talking about: O'Brien praises workers' ingenuity:
City plants save millions in energy costs
Byline: Jake Rupert
Illustration: Photo: Pat McGrath, The Ottawa Citizen / Methane gas, a
byproduct of sewage treatment that was once burned off, is running
engines that produce $1.4 million of electricity yearly.; Photo: Pat 
McGrath, The Ottawa Citizen / from left, Dave McCartney and Dave 
Robertson said they 'knew they were
on to something' when the $4.5-million power-producing system at the 
sewage treatment plant paid for itself in a few years.

When Ottawa Mayor Larry O'Brien was campaigning
two months ago, he spoke about creating a culture of
excellence at City Hall, but he had a difficult time
explaining how it would work.
Yesterday, he heard how a group of city utility
workers recently won an award for coming up with
innovative ways of saving the city $2.8 million per
year on energy costs.
His eyes just beamed when he heard how Dave
McCartney, manger of drainage and waste water
services, and Dave Robertson, manager of waste
water treatment, created a system to turn methane
gas, a byproduct of sewage treatment that used to be
burned off, into $1.4 million of savings at the city's
sewage treatment plant.
Thanks to these men, Ottawa is the first city in
Canada to burn the gas effectively through three
16-cylinder, locomotive-sized engines, creating half
the power the plant uses.
The system, devised by the men and their staff, cost
$4.5 million to install in 1997 and paid for itself by
2002.
That's exactly the kind of thing I'm look for, Mr.
O'Brien said. Exactly what I'm talking about. The
true strength of an organization is not in the executive
office or administration. It's with its operational
people.
These guys had an excellent idea, and we need more
of them. That's the kind of culture I want to develop.
They should get an award from the city, too.
Last week, the city's utility department got the top
prize from the Ontario Municipal Benchmarking
Initiative, which is made up of officials from 15 cities
in the province.
Ottawa won for the system at the sewage treatment
centre and another project that sees $1.4 million in
hydro electricity generated at the Fleet Street
pumping station using a natural drop in elevation.
The power is used in pumps that send drinking water
across a large portion of the city.
Ken Thompson is an engineer who chaired the
selection panel that helped choose Ottawa for the
award.
He said other municipalities are doing similar things
on the energy conservation front, but Ottawa has
taken a more large- scale and detailed approach to the
issue.
It's unique, he said. They've really taken a serious
approach to managing electricity, and they have been
innovative enough to make things work quite well.
The detailed information on, and management of,
energy consumption at the sewage treatment plant is
staggering.
At the click of a computer mouse, workers can check
exactly how much electricity the plant is using, how
much it's producing, and how much it is taking from
the grid. Another click can ramp up power produced
by the engines, bring on more supply from diesel
generators, or pull more from the grid. It's even
possible to tell if a major component is pulling more
or less power than it should.
Mr. McCartney said the idea for the system was his,
but it took Mr. Robertson and a crew of engineers to
design the system.
The methane is produced by bacteria in airless
digesters as they eat biosolids in the sewage. The gas
is captured and sent to a building housing the
engines, which roar around the clock and each
produce enough electricity in an hour to power an
average house for a month. The electricity is then put
on the plant's internal grid.
Coolant from the engines is sent to an exchanger and
the heat is transferred to the plant's water boiler
heating system.
Not letting anything go to waste, the boiler system
water is then passed through the engines' searing
exhaust system to be heated up further.
Mr. McCartney said the system is working so well
that several other municipalities have sent people to
check it out.
It's been done before, but never as successfully as
we have, Mr. Robertson said. It feels nice to get the
award. When it paid for itself so quickly, we knew
we were on to something.
If the two energy creating projects didn't exist,
property taxes would have to increase .3 per cent to
buy more power, and this is something that is not lost
on Ottawa's new mayor.
I think these guys are municipal heroes, Mr.
O'Brien said.



-- 
Darryl McMahon
It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will?

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Re: [Biofuel] City plants save millions in energy costs - OttawaCitizen - 2006.12.22

[Kirk McLoren]

Frustrating that proven innovation is so slow to be accepted. John Fry 
expressed his frustration to me regarding the Santa Barbara sewage plant and 
their purchase of natural gas to heat with and their discarding of the bio gas.
  Makes me wonder sometimes if there is much hope.
   
  Kirk

John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Well, I guess we Canucks are just slow but not totally stupid. 
winkwink
   
  John
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  The Hyperion plant has been doing this for 30 years (LosAngeles)
  Kirk


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[Biofuel] Duke Interview about Zionism - Not to be missed...

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Re: [Biofuel] Herbicide-resistant weed worries farmers

[Kirk McLoren]

  
US Town Uses Hot Water -- Not Herbicides -- To Control Weeds
Pesticide Action Network North America (PANNA)  
  Carrboro, North Carolina, is killing weeds with water instead of chemicals. 
The town is using a machine that superheats water and dispenses it in a 
carefully controlled stream to kill weeds without using toxic chemical 
herbicides. The equipment, which is made in New Zealand, is in use in several 
other countries but is almost unknown in the United States.   Carrboro is 
testing the equipment to implement the town's least toxic Integrated Pest 
Management policy, adopted in March 1999. The policy calls for phasing out use 
of conventional pesticides, including herbicides, on town property, but does 
not apply to the local residents, their property or businesses. City leaders 
hope to show how beautiful grounds can be achieved without poisoning the 
environment.   To date, efforts to reduce pesticide use have emphasized 
alternatives to conventional herbicides. An earlier analysis of Carrboro's pest 
management practices showed that more pesticides were used on weeds than for any
 other purpose. Weeds are a problem around buildings and parking lots, along 
curbs and gutters and in parks. The town is using a comprehensive approach, 
rather seeking a single solution, including a biodegradable herbicide made from 
corn gluten, propane flamers which kill plants by singing them, thick mulch on 
plant beds to smother weeds, and now hot water.   The machine in use in 
Carrboro produces a steady stream of near- boiling water that kills weeds by 
melting the waxy outer coating of their leaves. The self-contained machine is 
mounted on a small truck with hoses connected to long-handled applicator wands. 
A quick spray on unwanted weeds kills them; the plants darken almost 
immediately and turn brown within a few hours. The flow of water is low and 
cools quickly. While the results look very much like that of a contact 
herbicide, there is no toxic residue and the area is immediately safe for play. 
  That's what it is all about, said Allen Spalt, Director of the
 Agricultural Resources Center and a member of the Carrboro Board of Aldermen. 
We want to find ways to reduce pesticide use so that we can eliminate the risk 
of any child being poisoned. Carrboro already uses only small amounts of 
pesticides; we believe that this hot water system may be part of the solution 
to reducing use completely.   The hot water system, on loan to Carrboro until 
the end of June, will be used by town staff, who will also demonstrate it for 
other interested parties. At the conclusion of the trials, a final decision 
will be made whether or not the town will purchase the equipment.   
http://www.ghorganics.com/HotWeedKiller.htm 
http://metalab.unc.edu/arc Pesticide Action Network North America (PANNA) ~ 
http://www.panna.org/ 

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