Re: Out of Officce e-mail

[Adrian Godfrey]

Out of office should be set up at the mail server itself, not in the e-mail 
client. That said, you can do it with the "send automatic reply" filter action. 
But that filter action will only work if The Bat is actually running.
Just don't set up any kind of autoresponders for any mailing lists you are 
subscribed to. That will get you put on moderation at the very least and most 
likely unsubscribed.

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Re: Out of Officce e-mail

[Christoph Koch]

Hello Ian, hello List!

* Ian A. White wrote '[1]:

> Is there any way to have an automatic "out of office" sent from The Bat! ?

TheBat needs to run to send messages. So if you don't want to run your computer 
all day long as long as you are out of office, then it might be better to setup 
that mail at your provider.


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Re: Mail database in Dropbox

[Johannes Posel]

Hello Thomas,

Am Di., 30. Nov. 2021 um 11:23 Uhr schrieb Thomas Fernandez ML <
thomas.f...@gmx.net>:

> Disadvantage of the whole idea: Each time a mail check happens, the *.TBB
> files are updated and hence Dropbox uploads the whole file. On a metered
> connection, this can become very expensive...
> It was worth trying out, though.
>

Honestly that is exactly what IMAP has been around for years. Might be
better to explore that path...

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Re: Mail database in Dropbox

[Thomas ML]

Hello MAU,

Wednesday, December 1, 2021, 6:14:16 PM, you wrote:

> Hello Thomas,

>>>> These are the learnings:
>>
>>>> 1.) The accounts on the different computers need to have the same name and 
>>>> folder structures. (That's obvious)
>>>> 2.) The drive letter where Dropbox resides must be the same on both 
>>>> computers. (That's why it didn't work at first. Had to rename the drive on 
>>>> one machine.)
>>>> 3.) Only one computer can run TB! at any time, and when you close it, you 
>>>> have to wait until Dropbox actually updates all files from the first 
>>>> commputer to the second.
>>
>>>> Dropbox sometimes takes its time to propagate file updates.
>>
>> Disadvantage of the whole idea: Each time a mail check happens, the
>> *.TBB files are updated and hence Dropbox uploads the whole file. On
>> a metered connection, this can become very expensive...
>>
>> It was worth trying out, though.

> Thank you for explaining the details.

I'm always in for an adventure. Since we cannot travel, this was my cyber 
adventure. :-)

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Re: Mail database in Dropbox

[MAU]

Hello Thomas,

>>> These are the learnings:
>
>>> 1.) The accounts on the different computers need to have the same name and 
>>> folder structures. (That's obvious)
>>> 2.) The drive letter where Dropbox resides must be the same on both 
>>> computers. (That's why it didn't work at first. Had to rename the drive on 
>>> one machine.)
>>> 3.) Only one computer can run TB! at any time, and when you close it, you 
>>> have to wait until Dropbox actually updates all files from the first 
>>> commputer to the second.
>
>>> Dropbox sometimes takes its time to propagate file updates.
>
> Disadvantage of the whole idea: Each time a mail check happens, the
> *.TBB files are updated and hence Dropbox uploads the whole file. On
> a metered connection, this can become very expensive...
>
> It was worth trying out, though.

Thank you for explaining the details.

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Re: Mail database in Dropbox

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Thomas,

>> These are the learnings:

>> 1.) The accounts on the different computers need to have the same name and 
>> folder structures. (That's obvious)
>> 2.) The drive letter where Dropbox resides must be the same on both 
>> computers. (That's why it didn't work at first. Had to rename the drive on 
>> one machine.)
>> 3.) Only one computer can run TB! at any time, and when you close it, you 
>> have to wait until Dropbox actually updates all files from the first 
>> commputer to the second.

>> Dropbox sometimes takes its time to propagate file updates.

Disadvantage of the whole idea: Each time a mail check happens, the *.TBB files 
are updated and hence Dropbox uploads the whole file. On a metered connection, 
this can become very expensive...

It was worth trying out, though.

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Re: Mail database in Dropbox

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello all,

On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 18:40:25 +0700 GMT (26/11/2021, 18:40 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez ML wrote:



> These are the learnings:

> 1.) The accounts on the different computers need to have the same name and 
> folder structures. (That's obvious)
> 2.) The drive letter where Dropbox resides must be the same on both 
> computers. (That's why it didn't work at first. Had to rename the drive on 
> one machine.)
> 3.) Only one computer can run TB! at any time, and when you close it, you 
> have to wait until Dropbox actually updates all files from the first 
> commputer to the second.

> Dropbox sometimes takes its time to propagate file updates. When updating an 
> account, I was surprised that the update was not shwon in the otehr computer, 
> then found this:

[snip]

The server converted my HTML message with embedded picture into plaintext, so I 
am attaching the missing picture now.
 
> I also found the same "conflicted copy" for MESSAGES.TBB file. It took me a 
> while to figure out that the file was updated by Dropbox on the target 
> machine while TB! was open there. So, point number 3 above took some time.

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Re: Mail database in Dropbox

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Thomas,


On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 21:22:12 +0700 GMT (31/10/2021, 21:22 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez ML wrote:

> Hello MAU,

> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 13:50:41 +0100 GMT (31/10/2021, 19:50 +0700 GMT),
> MAU wrote:

>>> So far so good: I pointed the Files & Directories for one account to
>>> the Dropbox directory I had created for this purpose. Mail databases
>>> are  synchronised;  I deleted a message in TB! on one computer, then
>>> started  TB!  on  the  other, and the message is not being shown any
>>> more.

>> Looks like you got it working. Congratulations!

> Not yet. ;-) I'll use it with a throw-away account for a while and will 
> report my experience!

These are the learnings:

1.) The accounts on the different computers need to have the same name and 
folder structures. (That's obvious)
2.) The drive letter where Dropbox resides must be the same on both computers. 
(That's why it didn't work at first. Had to rename the drive on one machine.)
3.) Only one computer can run TB! at any time, and when you close it, you have 
to wait until Dropbox actually updates all files from the first commputer to 
the second.

Dropbox sometimes takes its time to propagate file updates. When updating an 
account, I was surprised that the update was not shwon in the otehr computer, 
then found this:


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
I also found the same "conflicted copy" for MESSAGES.TBB file. It took me a 
while to figure out that the file was updated by Dropbox on the target machine 
while TB! was open there. So, point number 3 above took some time.
 
I will now think of a good use for my new finding. :-)

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Re: Mail database in Dropbox

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello MAU,

On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 13:50:41 +0100 GMT (31/10/2021, 19:50 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

>> So far so good: I pointed the Files & Directories for one account to
>> the Dropbox directory I had created for this purpose. Mail databases
>> are  synchronised;  I deleted a message in TB! on one computer, then
>> started  TB!  on  the  other, and the message is not being shown any
>> more.

> Looks like you got it working. Congratulations!

Not yet. ;-) I'll use it with a throw-away account for a while and will report 
my experience!

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Re: Mail database in Dropbox

[MAU]

Hello Thomas,

> So far so good: I pointed the Files & Directories for one account to
> the Dropbox directory I had created for this purpose. Mail databases
> are  synchronised;  I deleted a message in TB! on one computer, then
> started  TB!  on  the  other, and the message is not being shown any
> more.

Looks like you got it working. Congratulations!

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Re: Mail database in Dropbox

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello TBUDL,

So far so good: I pointed the Files & Directories for one account to the 
Dropbox directory I had created for this purpose. Mail databases are 
synchronised; I deleted a message in TB! on one computer, then started TB! on 
the other, and the message is not being shown any more.

Of course, I did this with an account that I don't use any more. So I cannot 
test sending and receiving, but I think it should work. I will create an 
throw-away accout and give it a spin.

On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 11:40:27 +0700 GMT (30/10/2021, 11:40 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez ML wrote:

> Hello TBUDL,

> I have TB! on two computers (PC and laptop) and always download seperately, 
> using POP. IMAP does not make much sense for me, as I am often in countries 
> with slow internet connections - let's not discuss this. I want to use POP.

> I have a prefessional Dropbox account and use only a small amount of the 
> space. So my idea is now to move the mail database to the Dropbox folder, so 
> it will be updated automatically. In effect, I will have an IMAP effect 
> including flags, such as "read/unread" or "flagged.

> If course, I will have to have the same folder structure on both machines. I 
> will move the database of the back-up machine (laptop) first, and then the 
> database of the main machine, as it will overwrite the files.

> It sounds so easy and logical to me. Does anybody have any ideas why this 
> would cause problems? Any caveats?

> TIA



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Mail database in Dropbox

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello TBUDL,

I have TB! on two computers (PC and laptop) and always download seperately, 
using POP. IMAP does not make much sense for me, as I am often in countries 
with slow internet connections - let's not discuss this. I want to use POP.

I have a prefessional Dropbox account and use only a small amount of the space. 
So my idea is now to move the mail database to the Dropbox folder, so it will 
be updated automatically. In effect, I will have an IMAP effect including 
flags, such as "read/unread" or "flagged.

If course, I will have to have the same folder structure on both machines. I 
will move the database of the back-up machine (laptop) first, and then the 
database of the main machine, as it will overwrite the files.

It sounds so easy and logical to me. Does anybody have any ideas why this would 
cause problems? Any caveats?

TIA

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Re: [T/N: CDD1A1F6]: Yahoo mail via POP

[Lore Galore]

Hello Ian,



Tuesday, June 29, 2021, 1:19:49 AM, you wrote:

> G'day,

> Ok, I figured it out.

> The Bat! is considered an "insecure app" by Yahoo and so needs a separate 
> password to be able to use it from the POP3 server, whereas MailWasher is 
> seen as a secure app!

> So, work your way over to the Account Security

> https://help.yahoo.com/kb/generate-third-party-passwords-sln15241.html

> You then get to this page where you can set or revoke the app password. 
> Because of HTML limitations, you will see the first step is the above link.

> Now, follow the steps and you will have a long password generated. Save that 
> and for The Bat!, you use the generated password only. For everything else, 
> you use your normal password.

> Hope it makes sense.

> Generate and manage third-party app passwords

> Some older, third-party email apps (that do not use our Yahoo branded sign-in 
> page) require you to enter a single password for login credentials. To access 
> your Yahoo Mail account on these apps, you'll need to generate and use an app 
> password. An app password is a long, randomly generated code that gives a 
> non-Yahoo app permission to access your Yahoo account. You’ll only need to 
> provide this code once to sign in to your third-party email app.

> Generate an app password

> Sign in to your Yahoo Account Security page.
> Click Generate app password or Generate and manage app passwords.
> Enter your app's name in the text field.
> Click Generate password.
> Follow the instructions below the app password.
> Click Done.

> Use this app password and your email address to sign in to your email app.
> Revoke an app password

> Sign in to your Yahoo Account Security page.
> Click Generate and manage app passwords.
> Click the Delete next to the app password you want to revoke.
> Click Delete to confirm.




>  

Glad you got that settled.  Just commenting because Google also stops "insecure 
apps", and one has to go to the Google account and choose the setting to allow 
insecure apps.  Fastmail allows creation of app passwords, as well.

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Re: New Mail Drop List Broken Again

[MAU]

Hello Steven,

> Yeah, I know the problem has been around for literally YEARS and
> multiple MAJOR version numbers of TheBat!, but I can dream, can't I?

I have opened BT report https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=2103
Feel free to add a note.

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Re: New Mail Drop List Broken Again

[MAU]

Hello Steven,

> Thanks!  Your steps worked and for me, the restart was required.

Glad to hear it worked :)

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Re: New Mail Drop List Broken Again

[Steven P Valliere]

MAU,

Friday, March 5, 2021, 5:44:40 AM, you wrote:

M> Hello Steven,

>> Is there a way to get the dro-list to show my favorite addresses and
>> groups again?

M> AFAIK  this  type of problem with the drop down list has been an issue
M> for a long time. Anyway, try what I did a long time ago to "solve" the
M> issue.:

M> - Create a New group.
M> - DO NOT set to "Add items to the instant address popup"
M> - Add an address, even a fake one, and mark it as "Favourite".
M> - Close AB and see is the drop down list appears (see mine attached).
M> - If it doesn't, try re-starting TB.

M> If that doesn't work, remember that you can access the Favourites drop
M> down  by  right-clicking  on  any  header field of a new message. See
M> Clip-2.

Thanks!  Your steps worked and for me, the restart was required.

Of course now I have a bogus address at the bottom of the list,
but I guess I can live with that until this is fixed.

Yeah, I know the problem has been around for literally YEARS and
multiple MAJOR version numbers of TheBat!, but I can dream, can't I?

Thanks again!


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Re: New Mail Drop List Broken Again

[MAU]

Hello MAU,

> - Close AB and see is the drop down list appears (see mine attached).

The  two  QTs appearing below the address list are two old ones that I
never  deleted  and  that  are marked to be used for New messages/Mass
mailing.

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Re: New Mail Drop List Broken Again

[MAU]

Hello Steven,

> Is there a way to get the dro-list to show my favorite addresses and
> groups again?

AFAIK  this  type of problem with the drop down list has been an issue
for a long time. Anyway, try what I did a long time ago to "solve" the
issue.:

- Create a New group.
- DO NOT set to "Add items to the instant address popup"
- Add an address, even a fake one, and mark it as "Favourite".
- Close AB and see is the drop down list appears (see mine attached).
- If it doesn't, try re-starting TB.

If that doesn't work, remember that you can access the Favourites drop
down  by  right-clicking  on  any  header field of a new message. See
Clip-2.

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New Mail Drop List Broken Again

[Steven P Valliere]

The drop-list of favorites from my address book that should appear when
I click the down arrow just to the right of the "Create a New Message"
button has vanished again.  It has been replaced by the "Quick templates"
drop-down that looks EXACTLY like the one that displays from the REPLY
button.  (See attached image)

It was working perfectly until I added a new person to my address book,
who is the first person in a new group.

When I set the group to "Add items to the instant address popup", the
drop list changed into the quick template list and I cannot get it to
go back the way it was.

I even tried deleting the new address and group (after unchecking the
"add items..." thing and trying that first) without success.

Is there a way to get the dro-list to show my favorite addresses and
groups again?

Please?!?!?

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Re: mail not downloading from server

[Achdut18]

Hi, Thomas and Miguel,

Friday, February 19, 2021, 8:16:16 PM, you wrote:

TF> Hello Avram,

TF> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 12:14:14 -0600 GMT (20-Feb-21, 1:14 +0700 GMT),
TF> Avram Sacks wrote:

>> Does anyone have any idea why mail, all of a sudden, is not downloading from 
>> the internet mail provider that I use (Ionos, formerly 1and1.com)? 

TF> Do you gete any error message? The reason can be anything from
TF> wrong password or a typing mistake in the server name. Once we
TF> have ruled those out, we can look deeper.

Thank you, both, for your suggestions.  Before following any of that, I tried a 
"tried and true" solution:  I closed down The Bat and reopened it.  That worked 
like magic!So, I don't know what happened.   The account was a 
long-standing account and the one that I use most frequently, so it is not as 
if there was an incorrect password.  The status bar merely said that 0 messages 
were downloaded.  The log said "invalid pointer operation."   I believe some 
error messages did appear occasionally up when I was having the problem and 
they may have said what the log shows (invalid pointer operation).

The best explanation is that my computer may have groaned under the weight of 
too many open windows: probably over 50 at the time (I was mutli-tasking 
and had a lot going on).

Anyway, TB is working fine at this time.   

Thanks, again. 



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Re: mail not downloading from server

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Avram,

On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 12:14:14 -0600 GMT (20-Feb-21, 1:14 +0700 GMT),
Avram Sacks wrote:

> Does anyone have any idea why mail, all of a sudden, is not downloading from 
> the internet mail provider that I use (Ionos, formerly 1and1.com)?I have 
> three accounts with Ionos and TB is able to download mail just fine for two 
> of them .  But, just now, it is not downloading from the third account about 
> a dozen messages that are all from today.   The incoming mail port, 110, is 
> the same for all three.   And, I am using popv3 for the incoming mail 
> protocol for all three.   The connection to the incoming mail server is 
> regular for all three.Any ideas?

Do you gete any error message? The reason can be anything from wrong password 
or a typing mistake in the server name. Once we have ruled those out, we can 
look deeper.

Do you have the status bar enabled in your TB!? If not, please hit shift-crtl-L 
while you are in the main window. Then check the account. After that, click on 
the status bar (it's at the bottom), and it will open as a separeate window. 
Copy and paste in your reply. (Hide email address etc  if you wish.)

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Re: mail not downloading from server

[MAU]

Hello Avram,

> Does anyone have any idea why mail, all of a sudden, is not
> downloading from the internet mail provider that I use (Ionos,
> formerly 1and1.com)?I have three accounts with Ionos and TB is
> able to download mail just fine for two of them .  But, just now, it
> is not downloading from the third account about a dozen messages
> that are all from today.   The incoming mail port, 110, is the same
> for all three.   And, I am using popv3 for the incoming mail
> protocol for all three.   The connection to the incoming mail server
> is regular for all three.Any ideas?

Have you looked at the log for any hint of what is happening? For more
detail   on   what   may   be   happening   you   can  enable  Account
Properties/Transport/Protocol Logging


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mail not downloading from server

[Avram Sacks]

Hi, 

Does anyone have any idea why mail, all of a sudden, is not downloading from 
the internet mail provider that I use (Ionos, formerly 1and1.com)?I have 
three accounts with Ionos and TB is able to download mail just fine for two of 
them .  But, just now, it is not downloading from the third account about a 
dozen messages that are all from today.   The incoming mail port, 110, is the 
same for all three.   And, I am using popv3 for the incoming mail protocol for 
all three.   The connection to the incoming mail server is regular for all 
three.Any ideas?



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Re: sending e-mail to a group with only group name appearing in recipient's "to" field

[Thomas Fernandez]

Title: Re: sending e-mail to a group with only group name appearing in recipient's "to" field


Hello Achdut18,

On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 13:10:25 -0600 GMT (15-Feb-21, 2:10 +0700 GMT),
Achdut18 wrote:





>> [how to hide addresses of multiple recipients]

PM> solution that works with any client: put your own
PM> address in the TO: field and all other recipients into BCC.

Thanks, Peter (and Stuart, who also responded), but I want to do this elegantly.     It is about having a "professional appearance."   I see the BCC trick all the time.  I know it works, but I have also received group e-mail where the address is to the group name and would like to know how to do that. Thanks.



Probably not very helpful, but since you mentioned "professional appearance": I regularly receive circulars from my embassy and also from different foreign chambers of commerce with their own email address in the TO field and everybody else in BCC. I do find that professional. - Just my 2 cents' worth.

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Re: sending e-mail to a group with only group name appearing in recipient's "to" field

[Bill McQuillan]

I think that the Mass Mailing feature was designed for this.
However, it will show each recipient's address in the To: field rather
than the name of the Group.

I am using version 6.0.12 with an even more obsolete Help File, so
your mileage may vary. :-)

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Re: sending e-mail to a group with only group name appearing in recipient's "to" field

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Achdut18,

On Sunday, February 14, 2021 you wrote:

A>  
 PM>> on  Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:51:54 -0600GMT (12.02.2021, 12:51 +0100GMT here),
 PM>> Avram Sacks wrote:
A>  
 >>> [how to hide addresses of multiple recipients]
A>  
 PM>> solution that works with any client: put your own
 PM>> address in the TO: field and all other recipients into BCC.
A>  
A>  Thanks, Peter (and Stuart, who also responded), but I want to do this
A> elegantly. It is about having a "professional appearance."   I see the
A> BCC trick all the time.  I know it works, but I have also received group
A> e-mail where the address is to the group name and would like to know how to 
do that. Thanks.
A>  
A>  
A>  --
A>  Avi
A>  
A>  Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Pro ver. 9.1.18 on Win 7 Pro

I've found that if you start a new email and place your cursor in the TO field,
the little address book icon appears at the far right of the field. Clicking on
the icon will of course open your address book. Select a group (folder) and open
it. In the column of arrows the second one down is a double-right arrow. When
you click on that double-right arrow it will place the name of the group
(folder) in the box to the right. However, you'll see that if the group has two
names as in "The Group", it will reverse the names as "GroupThe". Take that into
consideration.

I tried it with a folder I have called MISC and it displayed it in the right box
as "Misc_handle " so you'll probably have to play around to get it to
display correctly.

Good luck.

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Re: sending e-mail to a group with only group name appearing in recipient's "to" field

[Achdut18]

Title: Re: sending e-mail to a group with only group name appearing in recipient's "to" field


PM> on  Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:51:54 -0600GMT (12.02.2021, 12:51 +0100GMT here),
PM> Avram Sacks wrote:

>> [how to hide addresses of multiple recipients]

PM> solution that works with any client: put your own
PM> address in the TO: field and all other recipients into BCC.

Thanks, Peter (and Stuart, who also responded), but I want to do this elegantly.     It is about having a "professional appearance."   I see the BCC trick all the time.  I know it works, but I have also received group e-mail where the address is to the group name and would like to know how to do that. Thanks.


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Re: sending e-mail to a group with only group name appearing in recipient's "to" field

[Peter Meyns]

Hi,

on  Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:51:54 -0600GMT (12.02.2021, 12:51 +0100GMT here),
Avram Sacks wrote:

> [how to hide addresses of multiple recipients]

I'm sure there is a way how The Bat! can handle this more elegantly,
but here is a solution that works with any client: put your own
address in the TO: field and all other recipients into BCC.

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Re: sending e-mail to a group with only group name appearing in recipient's "to" field

[Stuart Cuddy]

Title: Re: sending e-mail to a group with only group name appearing in recipient's "to" field


Hello Avram,
Friday, February 12, 2021, 5:51:54 AM, you wrote:





I am on a committee of about 90 people.   I wanted to send an email to everyone in the group without everyone's e-mail address displaying in the "to" field when the message is received by the group members.  I created an address book and put everyone's e-mail address in the address book.  I then put the name of the address book in the "to" field.   The word "list" appeared at the end, in parenthesis.  I expected that that is how it would show up when received by the recipient.  My name was also in the list so I could see how the e-mail was received.   So, my copy had each and every one of the 90 e-mail addresses in the "to" field!!!    What did I do wrong?   What can I do to ensure that the only the group name appears in the "to" field?



You can just use BCC instead of the To: field for the list. You may still have to put your address in the To: field though.

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sending e-mail to a group with only group name appearing in recipient's "to" field

[Avram Sacks]

Hi, everyone, 

I am on a committee of about 90 people.   I wanted to send an email to everyone 
in the group without everyone's e-mail address displaying in the "to" field 
when the message is received by the group members.  I created an address book 
and put everyone's e-mail address in the address book.  I then put the name of 
the address book in the "to" field.   The word "list" appeared at the end, in 
parenthesis.  I expected that that is how it would show up when received by the 
recipient.  My name was also in the list so I could see how the e-mail was 
received.   So, my copy had each and every one of the 90 e-mail addresses in 
the "to" field!!!What did I do wrong?   What can I do to ensure that the 
only the group name appears in the "to" field?

--
Avi

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Re: Crash when using "Open reply" on sent e-mail

[MFPA]

Hi


On Tuesday 1 September 2020 at 11:43:33 AM, in
, Peter Meyns wrote:-


> The message is not encrypted, merely signed. Without
> PGP installed you
> won't be able to verify the signature though.  

I can't verify the signature either: GnuPG hasn't found me a copy of Stefan's 
key.

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Re: Crash when using "Open reply" on sent e-mail

[Gunivortus Goos]

Hello Peter Meyns,

>> Why can I read your PGP encoded message, although, AFAIK,
>> no PGP is installed here that could decode it.

> The message is not encrypted, merely signed. Without PGP installed you
> won't be able to verify the signature though.

Ah, thanks, understood.
I will not install PGP.

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Re: Crash when using "Open reply" on sent e-mail

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Gunivortus,

on  Tue, 1 Sep 2020 12:31:27 +0200GMT (01.09.2020, 12:31 +0200GMT here),
you wrote:

GG>  ... just curious ...

>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
  ^^
GG> Why can I read your PGP encoded message, although, AFAIK,
GG> no PGP is installed here that could decode it.

The message is not encrypted, merely signed. Without PGP installed you
won't be able to verify the signature though.

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Re: Crash when using "Open reply" on sent e-mail

[Gunivortus Goos]

Hello Stefan,

 ... just curious ...

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Fixed for the next Beta, thank you! :-)

Why can I read your PGP encoded message, although, AFAIK,
no PGP is installed here that could decode it.

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Re: Crash when using "Open reply" on sent e-mail

[Stefan Tanurkov via TBUDL]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256

Hello Andrew,

> 3. TheBat! crashes instantly without producing an error message / etc.

Fixed for the next Beta, thank you! :-)


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Stefan Tanurkov
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w7PyAQDAw6Uk8pS1tWVvudDyxoep6m5AHOMNBr/74nh8f9jCxAD+P4kbyruEmxTs
RTYZLb9s0hfpb73aoGtz/mCiFfXeSAM=
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Re: Crash when using "Open reply" on sent e-mail

[MFPA]

Hi


On Monday 31 August 2020 at 1:01:39 PM, in
, Andrew Savchenko wrote:-


> Hello,

> 1. Select an e-mail in "Sent" folder that is reply to
> a letter stored _not_ 
>under the main "Inbox" folder.
> 2. Use either an option in the right-click menu or
> hit +
> 3. TheBat! crashes instantly without producing an
> error message / etc.

> POP3 account, OTFP (on-the-fly-encrypted) mail storage.
> Can anyone confirm before I create a bug report?  

I use POP3 but not OTFE. Cannot confirm. I get either a message search dialog, 
or a box saying the message is not marked as replied and asking if I think a 
reply was written.


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Re: Crash when using "Open reply" on sent e-mail

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Andrew,
Monday, August 31, 2020, 7:01:39 AM, you wrote:

> 1. Select an e-mail in "Sent" folder that is reply to a letter stored _not_ 
>under the main "Inbox" folder.
> 2. Use either an option in the right-click menu or hit +
> 3. TheBat! crashes instantly without producing an error message / etc.

> POP3 account, OTFP (on-the-fly-encrypted) mail storage.
> Can anyone confirm before I create a bug report?

Not here, but IMAP and not OTFE.

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Crash when using "Open reply" on sent e-mail

[Andrew Savchenko]

Hello,

1. Select an e-mail in "Sent" folder that is reply to a letter stored _not_ 
   under the main "Inbox" folder.
2. Use either an option in the right-click menu or hit +
3. TheBat! crashes instantly without producing an error message / etc.

POP3 account, OTFP (on-the-fly-encrypted) mail storage.
Can anyone confirm before I create a bug report?


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Re: mail ticker exclusions?

[MAU]

Title: Re: mail ticker exclusions?


Hello Susanne,





The only setting I see is under Options -> Preferences-> General, and refers just to any unread messages. No other options there.



Ops! I had not seen your message yet and I just replied the same.

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Re: mail ticker exclusions?

[MAU]

Title: Re: mail ticker exclusions?


Hello Tom,





Thanks Miguel,  I had actually disabled mail ticker already for all accounts but the flying is not affected by this setting :(



Right. Only choice, if you want to disable flying bat for all accounts is Preferences/Options/General and deselect both "Animate" options. But that is for ALL accounts.

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Re: mail ticker exclusions?

[Susanne]

Hello,

Tuesday, August 25, 2020, 2:35:43 PM, Tom wrote:



Thanks Miguel,  I had actually disabled mail ticker already for all accounts 
but the flying is not affected by this setting :(


As far as I can tell, the flying bat can not be set for specific accounts or 
folders only.
The only setting I see is under Options -> Preferences-> General, and refers 
just to any unread messages. No
other options there.

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Re: mail ticker exclusions?

[Tom]

Wednesday, August 26, 2020, 2:48:30 AM, you wrote:


Hello Tom,


Is there any way to exclude this account from the mail ticker/ flying bat 
indicating new mail. Normally if I see the bat, I feel inclined to check but 
for this account it's taking my focus away.

Options/Preferences/Message List/Mail Ticker/Folders and make sure none of the 
folders of that account are selected. That will exclude them from the Mail 
Ticker, I am not sure about the flying bat.


Thanks Miguel,  I had actually disabled mail ticker already for all accounts 
but the flying is not affected by this setting :(


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Re: mail ticker exclusions?

[MAU]

Title: Re: mail ticker exclusions?


Hello Tom,





Is there any way to exclude this account from the mail ticker/ flying bat indicating new mail. Normally if I see the bat, I feel inclined to check but for this account it's taking my focus away.



Options/Preferences/Message List/Mail Ticker/Folders and make sure none of the folders of that account are selected. That will exclude them from the Mail Ticker, I am not sure about the flying bat.

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mail ticker exclusions?

[Tom]

Hello Everyone,

Just created a new imap account which will be primarily handled by a different 
office. 
Emails received here are supposed to be handled by other people and at this 
stage I am just testing. 
Is there any way to exclude this account from the mail ticker/ flying bat 
indicating new mail. 
Normally if I see the bat, I feel inclined to check but for this account it's 
taking my focus away.
  

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Re: v9.2.2 does not delete mail on server as scheduled

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Andrew,

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 22:17:23 +0930 GMT (16-Jul-20, 19:47 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Savchenko wrote:

> Hello,

> After resurrecting TB!  by reverting back to v9.1.X I have noticed it
> has started re-downloading all e-mails again.  This is a well-known bug
> and affects number of people at random.  You can find more details at
> https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1779.

> After logging into the Webmail interface, I have found that TB!  wasn't
> deleting old e-mails despite the option "Keep messages on server" being
> set to 1 day.

Please add a note to the bug report you mention. Thanks.

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v9.2.2 does not delete mail on server as scheduled

[Andrew Savchenko]

Hello,

After resurrecting TB!  by reverting back to v9.1.X I have noticed it
has started re-downloading all e-mails again.  This is a well-known bug
and affects number of people at random.  You can find more details at
https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1779.

After logging into the Webmail interface, I have found that TB!  wasn't
deleting old e-mails despite the option "Keep messages on server" being
set to 1 day.

MX is managed by "mailbox.org" which is rather well-known operator and 
so far reported no misconfigurations on their side that would introduce 
such issue (e.g. MTA reporting message as deleted and failing to 
actually remove it from the base).

Feel free to mention support ticket #87842 if you experience the same.


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Re: Why is TB downloading all server mail and not just new messages?

[Achdut18]

Hi, Thomas, 



Sunday, July 12, 2020, 7:46:21 PM, I wrote:

TF> Hello Achdut18,

TF> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 14:16:45 -0500 GMT (13-Jul-20, 2:16 +0700 GMT),
TF> Achdut18 wrote:

>>   Today, I am
>> now experiencing a situation in which TB is now attempting to
>> download all ~4000 messages currently on the server and not just the
>> new messages, of which there are are only less than a dozen.

And you responded:

TF> Known bug, it happens rarely vbut does happen:
TF> https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1779

TF> Go to: Account / Dispatch Message on Server / All Messages
TF> Wait for the mail dispatcher to show the list of headers, it can take
TF> a few minutes. Then hit ctrl-2 to toggle the tickmark off the Received
TF> column for all messages, and then hit enter.

Thanks for these instructions.  Ultimately, I was able to figure out that I had 
to wait for all of the headers to download before doing anything.However, 
once I hit ctrl-2, I was unable to toggle off the tickmark on the "receive" 
column for all 4000 messages.  Rather, about 3200 would toggle off, and the 
remaining 800 would have the tickmark remain.   Ultimately, I downloaded those 
800 message, which was a lot better than downloading 4000 messages!(And, 
then, of course, I deleted the duplicates.) 

By the way, my wife also experienced the same problem earlier this year for 
several months.  Ultimately the problem stopped just as suddenly as it started. 
   


Unfortunately, becasue I am not a member of the beta group, your link would not 
work for me.  I had to log in to read what the link linked to and my regular 
Ritlabs log in credentials would not work.

The real question, of course, if this is a known bug that has existed for some 
time, wny does it still exist? Or, has it been known for only a very short 
while?

Once again, thank you very much for taking the time to respond and explain how 
to deal with this.   I genuinely appreciate it!!

All the best, 


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Re[2]: Why is TB downloading all server mail and not just new messages?

[Andrew Savchenko]

Hello Thomas,

Monday, July 13, 2020, 10:16:21 AM, you wrote:

> Known bug, it happens rarely vbut does happen:

Can confirm, has happened to me twice during the past week.


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Re: Why is TB downloading all server mail and not just new messages?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Achdut18,

On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 14:16:45 -0500 GMT (13-Jul-20, 2:16 +0700 GMT),
Achdut18 wrote:

> I have TB set up to download mail via POP and leave mail on the
> server for 180 days.   (IMAP doesn't seem to play nicely with The
> Bat, and, in any event, for back-up purposes, I prefer to have my
> own copy of all e-mail so that it can then be backed up through my
> own back-up protocols.)The reason for leaving mail on the server
> is to enable another computer, which is used more as a backup and is
> not used as frequently, to be able to download mail from the same
> accounts.  It also ensures that the mail is available for the cell
> phone.  For nearly 15 years this has worked just fine.  Today, I am
> now experiencing a situation in which TB is now attempting to
> download all ~4000 messages currently on the server and not just the
> new messages, of which there are are only less than a dozen.

Known bug, it happens rarely vbut does happen:
https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1779

> (I have stopped the process before it downloads more than a few
> dozen, each time I try.) This just started happening today. Last
> night the download process was working properly.

Go to: Account / Dispatch Message on Server / All Messages
Wait for the mail dispatcher to show the list of headers, it can take
a few minutes. Then hit ctrl-2 to toggle the tickmark off the Received
column for all messages, and then hit enter.

Alternatively, you can let TB re-download all emails and then use
Folder / Delete Duplicates. But that will usully take longer.

> What is curious is that this only happens with one of three
> accounts that I have on the same server/webmail mail host.These
> are NOT gmail accounts.   However, as an aside, I do not have this
> problem with any of the gmail accounts that I also have.

It happens with random accounts.

> What is causing this problem and how can I fix it?  Sure, I can
> download all 4000 messages and remove the duplicates, but (a) that
> takes time and (b) if the problem recurs I really need to known how to solve 
> the problem

Sure. See above.

> I notice on the toolbar, under "Account," there is a command:
> "dispatch mail on server," and then there is a choice for either
> "new messages" (ctrl + F2) or "all messages."   (shift+ctrl+F2).
> Is it possible that this is the source of the problem and that I
> unwittingly pressed "shift+ctrl+F2" at some point?Would merely
> pressing (ctrl+F2) fix this problem?

Well spotted. but this is not the problem, it is the solution. See
above.

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Why is TB downloading all server mail and not just new messages?

[Achdut18]

I have TB set up to download mail via POP and leave mail on the server for 180 
days.   (IMAP doesn't seem to play nicely with The Bat, and, in any event, for 
back-up purposes, I prefer to have my own copy of all e-mail so that it can 
then be backed up through my own back-up protocols.)The reason for leaving 
mail on the server is to enable another computer, which is used more as a 
backup and is not used as frequently, to be able to download mail from the same 
accounts.  It also ensures that the mail is available for the cell phone.  For 
nearly 15 years this has worked just fine.  Today, I am now experiencing a 
situation in which TB is now attempting to download all ~4000 messages 
currently on the server and not just the new messages, of which there are are 
only less than a dozen.  (I have stopped the process before it downloads more 
than a few dozen, each time I try.)   This just started happening today. Last 
night the download process was working properly.

What is curious is that this only happens with one of three accounts that I 
have on the same server/webmail mail host.These are NOT gmail accounts.   
However, as an aside, I do not have this problem with any of the gmail accounts 
that I also have. 

What is causing this problem and how can I fix it?  Sure, I can download all 
4000 messages and remove the duplicates, but (a) that takes time and (b) if the 
problem recurs I really need to known how to solve the problem

I notice on the toolbar, under "Account," there is a command:  "dispatch mail 
on server," and then there is a choice for either  "new messages" (ctrl + F2) 
or "all messages."   (shift+ctrl+F2).   Is it possible that this is the source 
of the problem and that I unwittingly pressed "shift+ctrl+F2" at some point?
Would merely pressing (ctrl+F2) fix this problem?

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Re: Adding a note or comment to a received e-mail

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello MAU,
Wednesday, January 22, 2020, 3:00:28 PM, you wrote:

>> When I receive a confirmation of a transaction from my bank, it does 
>> not list the details, and it can then become interesting as to what it
>> was all about when it comes time to reconciling things 3 months later.

> On  main  menu  Message,  or  on Message List RMB context menu, select
> 'Memo  Editor'.  This Memo can be displayed as a column in the Message
> List if included in a folder View Mode.

Be careful if this is an IMAP account as the memo's seem to disappear after a 
while, or at least they did in previous versions. Have not tried recently.

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Re: Adding a note or comment to a received e-mail

[MAU]

Hello Ian,

> I was wondering if there was a way to add a note to an e-mail 
> received?
>
> When I receive a confirmation of a transaction from my bank, it does 
> not list the details, and it can then become interesting as to what it
> was all about when it comes time to reconciling things 3 months later.

On  main  menu  Message,  or  on Message List RMB context menu, select
'Memo  Editor'.  This Memo can be displayed as a column in the Message
List if included in a folder View Mode.

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Re: Restoring lost mail and application through data recovery

[Avram Sacks]

Thanks, Jernej,



JS> Don't worry about .msi and .exe files - you can download those. What
JS> you want are the files with messages, which are stored in .TBB files,
JS> and maybe their indexes in .TBN files (but those can be rebuilt).


Is there a folder for filters?  I have tons of them, because I have so many 
mail folders.  Would the folder structure be in the .tbk file?


-- 
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Re: Restoring lost mail and application through data recovery

[Jernej Simončič]

On Friday, December 20, 2019, 10:14:47, Achdut18 wrote:

> Finally, in order to restore the application what is the file that
> should be recovered?Is it the .exe file, or the .msi file, or
> something different?   I do have the product key, if needed.  The
> lost application was an early iteration of version 8 of The Bat! Pro.

Don't worry about .msi and .exe files - you can download those. What
you want are the files with messages, which are stored in .TBB files,
and maybe their indexes in .TBN files (but those can be rebuilt).

If you ever created a backup from within The Bat, those are stored in
.TBK files.

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Restoring lost mail and application through data recovery

[Achdut18]

The unthinkable happened to my wife's laptop:   sudden death of her SSD. 
Unfortunately, we were blissfully ignorent of the fact that the external backup 
was not backing up at all, and hasn't been for the life of this laptop.

We have sent the SSD to a data recovery service.  That service requires us to 
identify the location of folders and files that we want recovered. 

On her laptop, The Bat likely resides where it does on my laptop: within the 
Program Files folder.  But, the mail folder tree appears elsewhere:   under 
Users\Avram\AppData\Roaming\TheBat!   

So, what files/folders do we need to recover in order restore all mail on the 
new SSDI?   What file extensions should be looked for?   I have nearly two 
dozen subfolders into which mail is sorted. 

Finally, in order to restore the application what is the file that should be 
recovered?Is it the .exe file, or the .msi file, or something different?   
I do have the product key, if needed.  The lost application was an early 
iteration of version 8 of The Bat! Pro. 

Note that anything that can be recovered will be transferred to a brand new 
SSD, with no apps on it, other than the operating system.

Thanks,, 

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Re: redirect action is not limited to newly downloaded mail

[Steven Avery via TBUDL]

Hello  TheBat User, 

Thanks Mau,

>> The three filters I have (Account--> Sorting Office/Filters)
>> have the following result actions:

> But  what  or  where  are  they?  Incoming, Outgoing, Read, Replied or
> Selective download?

Everything is Incoming Mail., as are all my filters.  I forgot to mention it, 
as it is my norm.

Sidenote:
I would like for TheBat! to handle manual filtering without HotKeys, or being 
concerned with Read or Replied, but I have not seen that function.  For 
comparison, Eudora has a simple Incoming, Outgoing, Manual checkbox choices for 
any filter.  For manual you highlight the group of messages  and then "Filter 
Messages", only the manual filters are checked.  One purpose of a manual filter 
is a two-tier system, lots of stuff in to a combined box, and then filter to 
the permanent individual boxes.  Since TheBat! has virtual folders, there is 
not a compelling need, but it is a clean and workable methodology.

> It  would  also  help  to  actually  see  one of those filters. In the
> sorting  office,  select one of them, right click and Copy. Then paste
> it in a message to this list.

True, this might help.  
Two pics should show up here:
http://www.purebibleforum.com/showthread.php?1288-TheBat!-Pictures-on-problem-with-redirect-filters=5195#post5195
 

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Re: redirect action is not limited to newly downloaded mail

[MAU]

Hello Steven,

> The three filters I have (Account--> Sorting Office/Filters)
> have the following result actions:

But  what  or  where  are  they?  Incoming, Outgoing, Read, Replied or
Selective download?

It  would  also  help  to  actually  see  one of those filters. In the
sorting  office,  select one of them, right click and Copy. Then paste
it in a message to this list.

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redirect action is not limited to newly downloaded mail

[Steven Avery via TBUDL]

Hello The,

I have a puzzle regarding when filters are triggered.

There are 3 filters I use to trigger a redirect to mail to a Runbox 
account. 
When this happens, an email is created in the Outbox. (Can I automatically
delete the new email .. this is not very important, but I am curious.) These
are the only filters in my system that reference the Runbox acct.

=

The three filters I have (Account--> Sorting Office/Filters) have the 
following result actions:
 
Redirect to (my Runbox account)

And they are marked as follows.

=

Active - checked 
Manual - blank (unchecked)
Hotkey - blank

Options
This filter is active - Yes
Use this filter for manuel refiltering - No
Continue processing with other filters - Yes

Send generated Messages
According to the Account Settings

===

My thought is that these filters should only trigger on the download, 
which comes from my Verizon-AOL box. 

Yet in fact they often are triggered on any regular activity I do in 
TheBat!, leading to hundreds of generated new redirects.

Is this a glitch, or am I missing something in how TheBat! operates?



Thanks for your thoughts and assistance! 

Steven
  



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Re: Only Current G-Mail

[Richard Newman]

Hello MFPA,

Sunday, June 24, 2018, 5:47:12 AM, you wrote:
M> Assuming you are using POP to download your messages from your Gmail
M> account, within The Bat! go to Account Options | Transport tab | 
M> Receive Mail section and add "recent:" (without quotes, and with no 
Thanks. That worked like a charm!

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=== 
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Re: Only Current G-Mail

[MFPA]

Hi


On Thursday 21 June 2018 at 7:56:18 PM, in
, Richard Newman wrote:-


>   How  can I tell TB to load only the most recent
> emails . . . just as
>   it does with three other Gmail accounts?


Assuming you are using POP to download your messages from your Gmail 
account, within The Bat! go to Account Options | Transport tab | 
Receive Mail section and add "recent:" (without quotes, and with no 
space after the colon) to the front of your user name. Gmail should 
then not download messages more than 30 days old. (Make sure to add it 
only for the POP settings, not the SMTP.)

For more info, try googling something like "gmail recent mode".


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Only Current G-Mail

[Richard Newman]

Hello Bat People,

  I  have  Gmail  set-up as POP and functioning just fine with TB. BUT
  one  account  is  loading emails back from 2012 in batches of around
  470.

  How  can I tell TB to load only the most recent emails . . . just as
  it does with three other Gmail accounts?

  Thanks.
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Re[2]: Specific program for viewing attachments in outgoing mail

[Paul Van Noord]

12/13/2017  9:49 PM

Hi Jack,

On 12/13/2017 Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

AG>> It is a major bug in Windows 10 (and not only for PDFs apparently)

JSL> The history of MS suggests it's NOT a bug but intentionally inserted into 
the
JSL> OS.

AG>> Strangely,  Windows  10  doesn't  reset the default mail program or the
AG>> default web browser

JSL> There's gotta be a monetary reason for that.

Here comes Win 7 Pro...

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Re: Specific program for viewing attachments in outgoing mail

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Adrian,

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 you wrote:


AG> Wednesday, December 13, 2017, 9:30:00 PM, you wrote:

>> SETTINGS - SYSTEM - DEFAULT APPS - CHOOSE DEFAULT APPS BY FILE TYPE (at the
>> bottom) and select Adobe Reader for .PDFs ( which assumes you have Adobe 
>> Reader
>> on your computer.)

AG> I  don't actually  want Adobe Reader - I _do_ want PDFXChange Editor.
AG> It  seems  that whatever you put as default for PDF gets reset to Edge
AG> at  some point. Correct it again in "default apps by file type" and it
AG> stick for a while, but gets reset to Edge again.

Well that explains why Edge was suddenly being used to display PDFs on my
machine. I changed it back to Adobe Reader and so far it's held.

AG> Edgeblocker will stop Edge, but then it gets reset to TWINUI

AG> It is a major bug in Windows 10 (and not only for PDFs apparently)

The history of MS suggests it's NOT a bug but intentionally inserted into the
OS.

AG> Strangely,  Windows  10  doesn't  reset the default mail program or the
AG> default web browser

There's gotta be a monetary reason for that.

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Re: Specific program for viewing attachments in outgoing mail

[Adrian Godfrey]

Wednesday, December 13, 2017, 9:30:00 PM, you wrote:

> SETTINGS - SYSTEM - DEFAULT APPS - CHOOSE DEFAULT APPS BY FILE TYPE (at the
> bottom) and select Adobe Reader for .PDFs ( which assumes you have Adobe 
> Reader
> on your computer.)

I  don't actually  want Adobe Reader - I _do_ want PDFXChange Editor.
It  seems  that whatever you put as default for PDF gets reset to Edge
at  some point. Correct it again in "default apps by file type" and it
stick for a while, but gets reset to Edge again.

Edgeblocker will stop Edge, but then it gets reset to TWINUI

It is a major bug in Windows 10 (and not only for PDFs apparently)

Strangely,  Windows  10  doesn't  reset the default mail program or the
default web browser

Adrian
u



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Re: Specific program for viewing attachments in outgoing mail

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Thomas,

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 you wrote:

TF> Hello Adrian,

TF> On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 07:52:01 +0100 GMT (13-Dec-17, 13:52 +0700 GMT),
TF> Adrian Godfrey wrote:

>> In   Windows   10,  the file associations keep getting reset at random
>> times (probably the forced Windows Updates) to "Windows
>> defaults".  Is  there  any  way of specifying a particular application
>> within The Bat itself (currently version 8.0.14 64-bit)
>> for  viewing  PDF attachments in the mails I write myself?

TF> TB! uses the Windows default.

TF> You can change them permanently, but I don't remember how I did this.
TF> A google search for Windows 10 file associations might help you here.

SETTINGS - SYSTEM - DEFAULT APPS - CHOOSE DEFAULT APPS BY FILE TYPE (at the
bottom) and select Adobe Reader for .PDFs ( which assumes you have Adobe Reader
on your computer.)

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Re: Specific program for viewing attachments in outgoing mail

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Thomas,

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 you wrote:

TF> Hello Adrian,

TF> On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 07:52:01 +0100 GMT (13-Dec-17, 13:52 +0700 GMT),
TF> Adrian Godfrey wrote:

>> In   Windows   10,  the file associations keep getting reset at random
>> times (probably the forced Windows Updates) to "Windows
>> defaults".  Is  there  any  way of specifying a particular application
>> within The Bat itself (currently version 8.0.14 64-bit)
>> for  viewing  PDF attachments in the mails I write myself?

TF> TB! uses the Windows default.

TF> You can change them permanently, but I don't remember how I did this.
TF> A google search for Windows 10 file associations might help you here.

SETTINGS - CHOOSE DEFAULT APPS BY FILE TYPE and select Adobe Reader for .PDFs (
which assumes you have Adobe Reader on your computer.)

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Re: Specific program for viewing attachments in outgoing mail

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Adrian,

On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 07:52:01 +0100 GMT (13-Dec-17, 13:52 +0700 GMT),
Adrian Godfrey wrote:

> In   Windows   10,  the file associations keep getting reset at random
> times (probably the forced Windows Updates) to "Windows
> defaults".  Is  there  any  way of specifying a particular application
> within The Bat itself (currently version 8.0.14 64-bit)
> for  viewing  PDF attachments in the mails I write myself?

TB! uses the Windows default.

You can change them permanently, but I don't remember how I did this.
A google search for Windows 10 file associations might help you here.

-- 

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Specific program for viewing attachments in outgoing mail

[Adrian Godfrey]

In   Windows   10,  the file associations keep getting reset at random
times (probably the forced Windows Updates) to "Windows
defaults".  Is  there  any  way of specifying a particular application
within The Bat itself (currently version 8.0.14 64-bit)
for  viewing  PDF attachments in the mails I write myself?

Thanks in advance

Adrian





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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Adrian Godfrey]

Sunday, March 26, 2017, 9:16:51 PM, you wrote:

> Try setting the association through Control Panel -> Default
> applications - that's the only way to get the association to stick
> with a progra

I  have  done  this  using  both  "default  applications" and the file
extensions  in  both "Settings" and even Cobtrol Panel. They stick for
a while, but then they get reset again. I'm not sure how long exactly,
but I think within one hour.

I  have  only  noticed it with PDFs, but wnen doing Google and similar
searches ti try find a solution, it happens with others.

I  never  double  click  on anything anyway, but it gets annoying when I
view   the   PDF   attachment  in  the mail I am about to send to make
sure  it  is  the right one and have to reset again. PDFs are the only
files  I  attach  directly.  I  put any others in a Zip or Rar so that
there is only one attachment per mail.

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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Jernej Simončič]

On Saturday, February 25, 2017, 16:36:09, Adrian Godfrey wrote:

> Windows  10  has  a  nasty habit of resetting file associations to the
> "Microsoft defaults". I am having this issue with PDFs. First they get
> reassociated  with  Edge,  Look  for  EdgeBlocker  -  this  stops Edge
> starting,  but  then  they  get  reassociated  with  TWINUI after some
> unpredictable time of setting it back to what it should be. That works
> for a while, but eventually it gets reset.

Try setting the association through Control Panel -> Default
applications - that's the only way to get the association to stick
with a program.

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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Saturday 25 February 2017 at 1:42:51 PM, in
, Maxim Masiutin wrote:-



> It is better to select just "The Bat!", not "The Bat!
> Simple MAPI 64-bit".

Thanks.


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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Adrian Godfrey]

Saturday, February 25, 2017, 2:36:37 PM, you wrote:

> In my Windows 10 its called "default programs" or "default apps" 
> depending which screen view I look at (in case this helps anyone 
> to find it).

Windows  10  has  a  nasty habit of resetting file associations to the
"Microsoft defaults". I am having this issue with PDFs. First they get
reassociated  with  Edge,  Look  for  EdgeBlocker  -  this  stops Edge
starting,  but  then  they  get  reassociated  with  TWINUI after some
unpredictable time of setting it back to what it should be. That works
for a while, but eventually it gets reset.

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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Maxim Masiutin]

Hello MFPA,

Saturday, February 25, 2017, 3:40:58 PM, you wrote:

> Fair enough. What I had read said Simple MAPI was deprecated in favour
> of Enhanced MAPI.

It is not deprecated, they are different protocols. Simple MAPI allows to send 
an email (with an attachment) from any application, while Extended MAPI allows 
accessing message stores (folders with mail messages).


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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Maxim Masiutin]

Hello MFPA,

Saturday, February 25, 2017, 3:36:37 PM, you wrote:

> Is it best to select "URL mailto protocol" and "MAPI Send email command"
> under The Bat!, or under "The Bat! Simple MAPI 64-bit"?

It is better to select just "The Bat!", not "The Bat! Simple MAPI 64-bit".

The problem is that even under 64-bit Windows, the Mapi Stub DLL calls 
fixmapi.exe which is a 32-bit application and expects the final MAPI dll to be 
32-bit, that's why "The Bat! Simple MAPI 64-bit" wont' work under Windows 64. 
But in case of applications call it directly (I don't know such), we have also 
implemented "The Bat! Simple MAPI 64-bit".

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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Saturday 25 February 2017 at 1:17:05 PM, in
<mid:1185973222.20170225151...@ritlabs.com>, Maxim Masiutin wrote:-



> No, Simple Mapi is just an interface which allow
> applications like
> MS Word, Internet Explorer, Adobe Reader, etc. to
> send email
> messages. They still use Simple Mapi.

Fair enough. What I had read said Simple MAPI was deprecated in favour 
of Enhanced MAPI.


> An application loads mapi32.dll from Windows system
> directory,
> which is just a stub, that, in its turn, looks for a
> default Simple
> Mapi handler via registry, at
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Clients\Mail  

Thanks for explaining.

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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Friday 24 February 2017 at 8:00:03 PM, in
, Feli Wilcke wrote:-



> The MAPI association has to be set in windows
> standard applications. If
> you open it and choose 'define standards' 
> you will
> see TB! as standard
> for  all  datatypes and protocols and below two
> entries for 32-bit and
> 64-bit The Bat! Simple MAPI.  


In my Windows 10 its called "default programs" or "default apps" 
depending which screen view I look at (in case this helps anyone 
to find it). 

I don't see MAPI under "Choose applications by protocol" but can 
see The Bat! and the two "The Bat! Simple MAPI" entries under "Set 
defaults by app".

Is it best to select "URL mailto protocol" and "MAPI Send email command" 
under The Bat!, or under "The Bat! Simple MAPI 64-bit"?


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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Maxim Masiutin]

Hello MFPA,

Saturday, February 25, 2017, 2:41:03 PM, you wrote:

> I had read somewhere that Vista was the last version of Windows that 
> came with Simple MAPI support.

No, Simple Mapi is just an interface which allow applications like MS Word, 
Internet Explorer, Adobe Reader, etc. to send email messages. They still use 
Simple Mapi.

> I thought when a application tries to find a DLL it searches in the
> current directory before the windows system directory. My The Bat! 
> program directory contains tbmapi64.dll but TB! does not display the 
> "Install The Bat! as the simple MAPI request handler" button.

An application loads mapi32.dll from Windows system directory, which is just a 
stub, that, in its turn, looks for a default Simple Mapi handler via registry, 
at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Clients\Mail

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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Friday 24 February 2017 at 8:11:15 AM, in
, Maxim Masiutin wrote:-


> It is The Bat! installer (MSI) that sets up the
> Simple MAPI
> handler. 

I had read somewhere that Vista was the last version of Windows that 
came with Simple MAPI support.



> Moreover, since Windows Vista, the Windows
> System folder is
> by default protected, so this button would have been
> unable to copy the DLL handler there.  

I thought when a application tries to find a DLL it searches in the 
current directory before the windows system directory. My The Bat! 
program directory contains tbmapi64.dll but TB! does not display the 
"Install The Bat! as the simple MAPI request handler" button.



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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Maggie Meister]

Hi Adrian,

On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 7:13:47 AM you wrote:

AG> Friday, February 24, 2017, 3:02:21 AM, you wrote:

>> The moderators bounced my reply that had the 
>> screenshot.
>>
AG> That  is  normal on almost every mailing list in existence that attachments 
are not
AG> accepted.  Some  just  strip  the attachment but the rest
AG> posts, others reject the entire
AG> post.

I thought if small enough, it would get by. Anyway, it's moot 
because of my antique version.

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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Adrian Godfrey]

Friday, February 24, 2017, 3:02:21 AM, you wrote:

> The moderators bounced my reply that had the 
> screenshot.
>
That  is  normal on almost every mailing list in existence that attachments are 
not
accepted.  Some  just  strip  the attachment but the rest posts, others reject 
the entire
post.

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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Maxim Masiutin]

Hello MFPA,

Friday, February 24, 2017, 1:08:27 AM, you wrote:

>> I also don't have a long button that
>> says "Install The
>> Bat! as the simple MAPI request handler"

> Nor do I. Wasn't "simple MAPI" dropped a couple of Windows releases 
> ago?

It is The Bat! installer (MSI) that sets up the Simple MAPI handler. Moreover, 
since Windows Vista, the Windows System folder is by default protected, so this 
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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Maggie Meister]

Hi MFPA,

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 6:08:27 PM you wrote:

M> On Wednesday 22 February 2017 at 12:47:31 AM, in
M> , Thomas Fernandez wrote:-

>> I also don't have a long button that
>> says "Install The
>> Bat! as the simple MAPI request handler"

M> Nor do I. Wasn't "simple MAPI" dropped a couple of Windows releases
M> ago?

Perhaps. My version is the venerable 4.2.44.2. I have a long 
button.   The moderators bounced my reply that had the 
screenshot. (89K?) 

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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Wednesday 22 February 2017 at 12:47:31 AM, in
, Thomas Fernandez wrote:-


> I also don't have a long button that
> says "Install The
> Bat! as the simple MAPI request handler"

Nor do I. Wasn't "simple MAPI" dropped a couple of Windows releases 
ago?

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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Thomas,

On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 07:48:42 +0700 GMT (22-Feb-17, 07:48 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>>> So I need to hit "Send" manually every time I write
>>> an email. Did I miss something?  

>> What do you hit instead of "Send" to tell TB! you have finished 
>> composing a message in the event you auto-send every x minutes?

> I always hit "Out message in Outbox". This way, the message gets sent
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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Maggie,

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 11:34:20 -0500 GMT (21-Feb-17, 23:34 +0700 GMT),
Maggie Meister wrote:

TF>> I got the error on MAPI: "There is no email programm associated with
TF>> this protocol". How do I associate MAPI with TB!?

> In my version it's under Options|Preferences|Applications.
> There's a long button that says Install The Bat! as the simple
> MAPI request handler. This never worked for the one program I had
> that required it, but I could kludge around it.

I have all tickmarks marked on the file associations, and none of them
mentions MAPI. I also don't have a long button that says "Install The
Bat! as the simple MAPI request handler"; my long button only asks
what to do when TB! detects that the file associations have been
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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MFPA,

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 23:41:47 + GMT (22-Feb-17, 06:41 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

>> So I need to hit "Send" manually every time I write
>> an email. Did I miss something?  

> What do you hit instead of "Send" to tell TB! you have finished 
> composing a message in the event you auto-send every x minutes?

I always hit "Out message in Outbox". This way, the message gets sent
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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Tuesday 21 February 2017 at 1:59:21 PM, in
, Thomas Fernandez wrote:-


> So I need to hit "Send" manually every time I write
> an email. Did I miss something?  

What do you hit instead of "Send" to tell TB! you have finished 
composing a message in the event you auto-send every x minutes?


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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Maggie Meister]

Hi Thomas,

On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 11:14:43 PM you wrote:

TF> I got the error on MAPI: "There is no email programm associated with
TF> this protocol". How do I associate MAPI with TB!?

In my version it's under Options|Preferences|Applications.
There's a long button that says Install The Bat! as the simple
MAPI request handler. This never worked for the one program I had
that required it, but I could kludge around it.

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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Thomas,

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:18:39 +0700 GMT (21-Feb-17, 10:18 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Hello Jernej,

> On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 16:51:35 +0100 GMT (18-Feb-17, 22:51 +0700 GMT),
> Jernej Simončič wrote:

>> On Thursday, February 16, 2017, 2:31:50, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>>> I usually use POP3, but I have a new email address and the
>>> organisation gave me the log-in credentials:

>> Try using the following URL in TB for configuring Exchange:

>> https:///ews/exchange.asmx

>> (where  is the server that hosts Outlook Web Access)

> I change the mail server to this URL, and TB! connected! Thanks, we
> are one step further.

> However, then the status remained "Initializing..." forever.

This was only for the first-time connection, as all sorts of folders
were downloaded. I found the setting to ignore these, and on the next
connection, all folders that I did not want were deleted from my PC
again.

So, all is fine! Thanks for the tip with the URL.

TB! checks mail every 10 minutes as requested, but I cannot find the
setting for "combined send and receive" as I have with POP accounts.
So I need to hit "Send" manually every time I write an email. Did I
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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Thomas,

On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:05:02 +0700 GMT (21-Feb-17, 10:05 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> They gave me these details:

> Select Microsoft Exchange Account;
> Domain: \thomas.fernandez
> Exchange server: .org.uk

> I tried this in the account that I had set up for Exchange Web
> Services, which did not lead to success.

>>> I also saw that there are two options when setting up an Exchange
>>> email account in TB!:

>>> Exchange Web Services
>>> MAPI (Microsoft Exchange)

>> I used EWS because MAPI doesn't work for me. 

> So I created a second account, this time using MAPI (MS Exchange), and
> TB! complains with this log entry:

> !21-Feb-17, 10:02:41: FETCH - MAPI.MapiInitialize
> C:\WINDOWS\system32\mapi32.dll HResult=80004005 (Unspecified error)

> I do have this file on my computer.

I got the error on MAPI: "There is no email programm associated with
this protocol". How do I associate MAPI with TB!?


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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Jernej,

On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 16:51:35 +0100 GMT (18-Feb-17, 22:51 +0700 GMT),
Jernej Simončič wrote:

> On Thursday, February 16, 2017, 2:31:50, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>> I usually use POP3, but I have a new email address and the
>> organisation gave me the log-in credentials:

> Try using the following URL in TB for configuring Exchange:

> https:///ews/exchange.asmx

> (where  is the server that hosts Outlook Web Access)

I change the mail server to this URL, and TB! connected! Thanks, we
are one step further.

However, then the status remained "Initializing..." forever.

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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MFPA,

On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 13:10:48 + GMT (16-Feb-17, 20:10 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

>> Some providers try to make you use the webmail. But if you can find
>> the right person, they can give you a normal POP access so that you
>> can use an email client for that email address rather than web
>> browsers.

> And just maybe you can find the POP/SMTP/IMAP servers with a bit of 
> googling (or searching user forums), unless they are actually not 
> enabled.

Thanks for the idea. I googled, but did not find anything.

>> Webmail is a pain as you have to cc yourself / forward / redirect
>> to a normal email address for every message, otherwise you have no
>> record.

> Isn't the point of webmail-only services that all records are on their
> servers, so that they can serve advertising when you want to read 
> messages (or sell information to the highest bidder)?

It's an NGO, they don't place ads on their mail server. Somebody
probably told them Exchange is the way to go, and people who use
Outlook have no problems. I do believe that TB! can handle this
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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Adrian,

On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:16:22 +0100 GMT (16-Feb-17, 18:16 +0700 GMT),
Adrian Godfrey wrote:

>> the organisation gave me the log-in credentials:

> I  get  this  with  some wifi accesses. You have to start a web browser
> first  and  do  that  login.  Afterwards your email client should work
> normally.

Tried that, but it didn't help.

> Some  providers  try  to make you use the webmail. But if you can find
> the  right  person,  they can give you a normal POP access so that you can
> use  an  email client for that email address rather than web browsers.
> Webmail  is  a pain as you have to cc yourself / forward / redirect to
> a normal email address for every message, otherwise
> you have no record.

I asked for a POP access. Instead, they gave me these for an Exchange
client:

Select Microsoft Exchange Account;
Domain: \thomas.fernandez
Exchange server: xxx.org.uk

Domain? TB! does not ask for that...

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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Feli,

On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 12:52:49 +0100 GMT (16-Feb-17, 18:52 +0700 GMT),
Feli Wilcke wrote:

> Hello Thomas,

> On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 17:57:59 +0700GMT Thomas Fernandez wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 02:44:59 + GMT (16-Feb-17, 09:44 +0700 GMT),
>> MFPA wrote:

>>>> Server name
>>>> "https://x.org.uk; or account name
>>>> "xxx\thomas.fernandez" were
>>>> not accepted while configuring the message service.

>>> I know nothing about exchange servers, but "https://x.org.uk;
>>> looks like a website (possibly webmail interface?) rather than a mail
>>> server.

>> Thanks, but what would it look like if you use TB! with an Exchange
>> server?

> https://webmail.xdomainx.net/ews/exchange.asmx is the server I had to
> define when I set up my exchange account two weeks ago . It worked
> some month ago but (as you can read n the beta-list) in november I had
> to remove this account from TB because of constant crashes. The
> account was set to get new mail every 60 min and I could not change
> this fast enough. Actually I use a new EWS.dll Maxim sent me and this
> behaviour persists. (But in defining the account newly I could set it
> to prevent check at start-up)

They gave me these details:

Select Microsoft Exchange Account;
Domain: \thomas.fernandez
Exchange server: .org.uk

I tried this in the account that I had set up for Exchange Web
Services, which did not lead to success.

>> I also saw that there are two options when setting up an Exchange
>> email account in TB!:

>> Exchange Web Services
>> MAPI (Microsoft Exchange)

> I used EWS because MAPI doesn't work for me. 

So I created a second account, this time using MAPI (MS Exchange), and
TB! complains with this log entry:

!21-Feb-17, 10:02:41: FETCH - MAPI.MapiInitialize 
C:\WINDOWS\system32\mapi32.dll HResult=80004005 (Unspecified error)

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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Jernej Simončič]

On Thursday, February 16, 2017, 2:31:50, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> I usually use POP3, but I have a new email address and the
> organisation gave me the log-in credentials:

Try using the following URL in TB for configuring Exchange:

https:///ews/exchange.asmx

(where  is the server that hosts Outlook Web Access)

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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Thursday 16 February 2017 at 11:16:22 AM, in
<mid:1881024219.20170216121...@ags.lu>, Adrian Godfrey wrote:-


> Thursday, February 16, 2017, 2:31:50 AM, you wrote:

>> the
>> organisation gave me the log-in credentials:

> I  get  this  with  some wifi accesses. You have to
> start a web browser
> first  and  do  that  login.  Afterwards your email
> client should work
> normally.

With public wifi access points they sometimes call this a "captured
portal". Thecloud.net is a common example encountered in UK pubs and
cafes and some railway stations. I've not personally encountered this
for email access, the closest I have seen is requiring that you check
for incoming mail before being allowed to send ("POP before SMTP").



> Some  providers  try  to make you use the webmail.
> But if you can find
> the  right  person,  they can give you a normal POP
> access so that you can
> use  an  email client for that email address rather
> than web browsers.

And just maybe you can find the POP/SMTP/IMAP servers with a bit of 
googling (or searching user forums), unless they are actually not 
enabled.



> Webmail  is  a pain as you have to cc yourself /
> forward / redirect to
> a normal email address for every message, otherwise
> you have no record.

Isn't the point of webmail-only services that all records are on their 
servers, so that they can serve advertising when you want to read 
messages (or sell information to the highest bidder)?

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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Feli Wilcke]

Hello Thomas,

On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 17:57:59 +0700GMT Thomas Fernandez wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 02:44:59 + GMT (16-Feb-17, 09:44 +0700 GMT),
> MFPA wrote:

>>> Server name
>>> "https://x.org.uk; or account name
>>> "xxx\thomas.fernandez" were
>>> not accepted while configuring the message service.

>> I know nothing about exchange servers, but "https://x.org.uk;
>> looks like a website (possibly webmail interface?) rather than a mail
>> server.

> Thanks, but what would it look like if you use TB! with an Exchange
> server?

https://webmail.xdomainx.net/ews/exchange.asmx is the server I had to
define when I set up my exchange account two weeks ago . It worked
some month ago but (as you can read n the beta-list) in november I had
to remove this account from TB because of constant crashes. The
account was set to get new mail every 60 min and I could not change
this fast enough. Actually I use a new EWS.dll Maxim sent me and this
behaviour persists. (But in defining the account newly I could set it
to prevent check at start-up)

When I first defined the exchange account in summer, TB was able to
find the exchange server itself, although the TLD is different from
the TLD of my address (.de <-> .net). Perhaps that is due to a server
config.

> I also saw that there are two options when setting up an Exchange
> email account in TB!:

> Exchange Web Services
> MAPI (Microsoft Exchange)

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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Adrian Godfrey]

Thursday, February 16, 2017, 2:31:50 AM, you wrote:

> the
> organisation gave me the log-in credentials:

I  get  this  with  some wifi accesses. You have to start a web browser
first  and  do  that  login.  Afterwards your email client should work
normally.

Some  providers  try  to make you use the webmail. But if you can find
the  right  person,  they can give you a normal POP access so that you can
use  an  email client for that email address rather than web browsers.
Webmail  is  a pain as you have to cc yourself / forward / redirect to
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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MFPA,

On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 02:44:59 + GMT (16-Feb-17, 09:44 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

>> Server name
>> "https://x.org.uk; or account name
>> "xxx\thomas.fernandez" were
>> not accepted while configuring the message service.

> I know nothing about exchange servers, but "https://x.org.uk;
> looks like a website (possibly webmail interface?) rather than a mail
> server.

Thanks, but what would it look like if you use TB! with an Exchange
server?

I also saw that there are two options when setting up an Exchange
email account in TB!:

Exchange Web Services
MAPI (Microsoft Exchange)

Which is for what?

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Re: Configuring Exchange mail in TB! - How?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Thursday 16 February 2017 at 1:31:50 AM, in
<mid:1533949079.20170216083...@gmx.net>, Thomas Fernandez wrote:-


> Server name
> "https://x.org.uk; or account name
> "xxx\thomas.fernandez" were
> not accepted while configuring the message service.


I know nothing about exchange servers, but "https://x.org.uk;
looks like a website (possibly webmail interface?) rather than a mail
server.


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