Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
I've never heard of anyone actually getting hit like that. I know far more that work the system. My neighbor asked if she could put me down as someone she applied with. She wanted to say that she asked me every week. Pissed me off. She works at a school district. She KNEW she'd be laid off when summer came. And it turns out she's got some farm ground out there. So she has an income outside of it. She keeps her trailer on my dad's ground for FREE, no real expenses. Oh yeah, the next fall she bought a brand new car. The enforcement is a joke and everyone knows it. marlon - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids I think that is why it does run out eventually. The unemployment office (at least in WA State) WILL audit your job-search logs showing that he was *applying* for at least 3 jobs a week. It may take them a while to get to you, but they can even audit them YEARS after you get a job and are off unemployment. The fines/fees/interest and penalties are stiff. I have a buddy of mine that did not fill out 4 weeks of job-search logs (he was screwing off), 2 years after the fact, they came after him for almost 3 times what he received in benefits. The collection was easy. They just garnished his wages 75% of them for a few weeks. ryan On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: I've talked to more people out here of late that aren't even trying to get a job. They get paid minimum wage on unemployment so why bother going to work for McDonalds or anything else as an interim job. What a joke. marlon - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Yes, it depends on what you put in. Remember that unemployment is generally what you put in, to a point. The extensions that the feds put out are actually loans to your state that get paid back via unemployment taxes that you pay later. The system works as a basic safety net. I don't mind it.. I just sweat when I am on it. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Unemployment is dependent on your previous job from what I understand. He was in the Marines. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: How much is unemployment in OH? I max out here at 33% of my normal salary. I tell you I sweat and sweat trying to pick up my next gig. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: My roommate is on unemployment. How do you feel it sucks? He goes to school ~12 hours a week and gets paid more then I take for salary with tuition paid. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Spoken like a man with no kids or in denial about what hellions he's got! lol Kids, especially teenagers, naturally trend toward pushing the limits. All kinds of limits. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coopwrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Didn't you guys know that raising kids is a blood sport? You give murders the benefit of the doubt, not your kids. Joe Miller DSLbyAir, LLC 228-831-8881 www.dslbyair.com - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Spoken like a man with no kids or in denial about what hellions he's got! lol Kids, especially teenagers, naturally trend toward pushing the limits. All kinds of limits. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coopwrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
It's from an ABC afterschool special. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Spoken like a man with no kids or in denial about what hellions he's got! lol Kids, especially teenagers, naturally trend toward pushing the limits. All kinds of limits. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coopwrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
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Actually it's not so different from a job. You should get paid to answer the phones, keep the place clean, etc.? grin Giving the kids some money does teach them how to manage it. When they run out they are done buying. My kids trim trees with me. That's how they earn money for stuff that they want. My version of the family farm :-). Gotta put that bucket truck to use somehow. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids It is dated but that's is what I believe. Society most definitely disagrees with that. Hopefully you don't come to regret those words some day :) On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the side of safety, within reason. Just my opinion. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
I've talked to more people out here of late that aren't even trying to get a job. They get paid minimum wage on unemployment so why bother going to work for McDonalds or anything else as an interim job. What a joke. marlon - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Yes, it depends on what you put in. Remember that unemployment is generally what you put in, to a point. The extensions that the feds put out are actually loans to your state that get paid back via unemployment taxes that you pay later. The system works as a basic safety net. I don't mind it.. I just sweat when I am on it. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Unemployment is dependent on your previous job from what I understand. He was in the Marines. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: How much is unemployment in OH? I max out here at 33% of my normal salary. I tell you I sweat and sweat trying to pick up my next gig. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: My roommate is on unemployment. How do you feel it sucks? He goes to school ~12 hours a week and gets paid more then I take for salary with tuition paid. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage
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I think that is why it does run out eventually. The unemployment office (at least in WA State) WILL audit your job-search logs showing that he was *applying* for at least 3 jobs a week. It may take them a while to get to you, but they can even audit them YEARS after you get a job and are off unemployment. The fines/fees/interest and penalties are stiff. I have a buddy of mine that did not fill out 4 weeks of job-search logs (he was screwing off), 2 years after the fact, they came after him for almost 3 times what he received in benefits. The collection was easy. They just garnished his wages 75% of them for a few weeks. ryan On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: I've talked to more people out here of late that aren't even trying to get a job. They get paid minimum wage on unemployment so why bother going to work for McDonalds or anything else as an interim job. What a joke. marlon - Original Message - From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Yes, it depends on what you put in. Remember that unemployment is generally what you put in, to a point. The extensions that the feds put out are actually loans to your state that get paid back via unemployment taxes that you pay later. The system works as a basic safety net. I don't mind it.. I just sweat when I am on it. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Unemployment is dependent on your previous job from what I understand. He was in the Marines. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: How much is unemployment in OH? I max out here at 33% of my normal salary. I tell you I sweat and sweat trying to pick up my next gig. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: My roommate is on unemployment. How do you feel it sucks? He goes to school ~12 hours a week and gets paid more then I take for salary with tuition paid. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life
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Trust, but verify and prevent! Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Spoken like a man with no kids or in denial about what hellions he's got! lol Kids, especially teenagers, naturally trend toward pushing the limits. All kinds of limits. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coopwrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
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On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 11:38 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. This makes it VERY clear you are currently without a teenaged child in your house. :-) There are MANY things that go into building a trust relationship and the way this thread started indicates that the trust has already been broken. Besides, teens, even the good ones, will lose their minds on occasion. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I hide all knives and anything that could be mistaken as a weapon, including the cat. Teenagers suck. I know, I used to be one. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Spoken like a man with no kids or in denial about what hellions he's got! lol Kids, especially teenagers, naturally trend toward pushing the limits. All kinds of limits. marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coopwrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
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I know significantly more people on unemployment that view it as an alternative to an honest job as opposed to a supplement until they get a new job. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:05 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the side of safety, within reason. Just my opinion. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually
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Eh, stupid should hurt.. and it will. :) ryan On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:10 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I know significantly more people on unemployment that view it as an alternative to an honest job as opposed to a supplement until they get a new job. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:05 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the side of safety, within reason. Just my opinion. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check
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I think we need the following: 1. A new political party - called the PPR - its close enough to NPR that they might actually support it (by name only) - PPR stands for Party of Personal Responsibility . 2. Unemployment Should begin with 6 months at the current rate and then knock off 5% each month thereafter unless in another entitlement program for education... then give it 1 year Hmmm - imagine how many people would run and become a greeter at walmart or something else if they started loosing benefits at a rate of 5% per month... If you think entitlement programs work - just go and check out Detroit City... ok - thats my rant for today On Apr 21, 2010, at 9:20 AM, Ryan Spott wrote: Eh, stupid should hurt.. and it will. :) ryan On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:10 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: I know significantly more people on unemployment that view it as an alternative to an honest job as opposed to a supplement until they get a new job. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:05 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the side of safety, within reason. Just my opinion. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS
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Now there's a vision i could have lived with out. LOL Josh Luthman wrote: I like that idea way more then living comfortably. Sitting at home on the couch naked eating Cheetos provides minimal benefit to society. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Yes, it depends on what you put in. Remember that unemployment is generally what you put in, to a point. The extensions that the feds put out are actually loans to your state that get paid back via unemployment taxes that you pay later. The system works as a basic safety net. I don't mind it.. I just sweat when I am on it. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Unemployment is dependent on your previous job from what I understand. He was in the Marines. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: How much is unemployment in OH? I max out here at 33% of my normal salary. I tell you I sweat and sweat trying to pick up my next gig. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: My roommate is on unemployment. How do you feel it sucks? He goes to school ~12 hours a week and gets paid more then I take for salary with tuition paid. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where
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Should be obvious we're on our company email at 2AM =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:16 AM, Frank Crawford mogoo...@gmx.com wrote: Now there's a vision i could have lived with out. LOL Josh Luthman wrote: I like that idea way more then living comfortably. Sitting at home on the couch naked eating Cheetos provides minimal benefit to society. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Yes, it depends on what you put in. Remember that unemployment is generally what you put in, to a point. The extensions that the feds put out are actually loans to your state that get paid back via unemployment taxes that you pay later. The system works as a basic safety net. I don't mind it.. I just sweat when I am on it. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Unemployment is dependent on your previous job from what I understand. He was in the Marines. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: How much is unemployment in OH? I max out here at 33% of my normal salary. I tell you I sweat and sweat trying to pick up my next gig. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: My roommate is on unemployment. How do you feel it sucks? He goes to school ~12 hours a week and gets paid more then I take for salary with tuition paid. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather
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Maybe I should lay myself off. Hmmm. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 12:12 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the side of safety, within reason. Just my opinion. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I
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Josh, You should never eat Cheetos while naked. Too cheesy. Lesson learned a long time ago. But then again, I have a cat. I guess that's was also part of the lesson. Don't eat cheetos naked AND own a cat. Okay. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids I like that idea way more then living comfortably. Sitting at home on the couch naked eating Cheetos provides minimal benefit to society. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Yes, it depends on what you put in. Remember that unemployment is generally what you put in, to a point. The extensions that the feds put out are actually loans to your state that get paid back via unemployment taxes that you pay later. The system works as a basic safety net. I don't mind it.. I just sweat when I am on it. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Unemployment is dependent on your previous job from what I understand. He was in the Marines. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: How much is unemployment in OH? I max out here at 33% of my normal salary. I tell you I sweat and sweat trying to pick up my next gig. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: My roommate is on unemployment. How do you feel it sucks? He goes to school ~12 hours a week and gets paid more then I take for salary with tuition paid. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know
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To be clear, unemployment insurance is paid by employers, NOT employees. The you in those sentences is the company you work(ed) for. There are no deductions from employee paychecks for unemployment insurance. Dave -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Yes, it depends on what you put in. Remember that unemployment is generally what you put in, to a point. The extensions that the feds put out are actually loans to your state that get paid back via unemployment taxes that you pay later. The system works as a basic safety net. I don't mind it.. I just sweat when I am on it. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Unemployment is dependent on your previous job from what I understand. He was in the Marines. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: How much is unemployment in OH? I max out here at 33% of my normal salary. I tell you I sweat and sweat trying to pick up my next gig. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: My roommate is on unemployment. How do you feel it sucks? He goes to school ~12 hours a week and gets paid more then I take for salary with tuition paid. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage
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It IS part of the overall cost of an employee, just like the SS and Medicare match. It is money that the employer does not have available to pay the employee a higher wage. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids To be clear, unemployment insurance is paid by employers, NOT employees. The you in those sentences is the company you work(ed) for. There are no deductions from employee paychecks for unemployment insurance. Dave -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Yes, it depends on what you put in. Remember that unemployment is generally what you put in, to a point. The extensions that the feds put out are actually loans to your state that get paid back via unemployment taxes that you pay later. The system works as a basic safety net. I don't mind it.. I just sweat when I am on it. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Unemployment is dependent on your previous job from what I understand. He was in the Marines. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: How much is unemployment in OH? I max out here at 33% of my normal salary. I tell you I sweat and sweat trying to pick up my next gig. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: My roommate is on unemployment. How do you feel it sucks? He goes to school ~12 hours a week and gets paid more then I take for salary with tuition paid. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we
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Exactly. This is why you should review any claim made by an ex employee and keep detailed records of why they left in case you need to dispute one. The more claims made against you, the higher your rates. Just because they are unemployed doesn't mean they can get unemployment. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids To be clear, unemployment insurance is paid by employers, NOT employees. The you in those sentences is the company you work(ed) for. There are no deductions from employee paychecks for unemployment insurance. Dave -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Yes, it depends on what you put in. Remember that unemployment is generally what you put in, to a point. The extensions that the feds put out are actually loans to your state that get paid back via unemployment taxes that you pay later. The system works as a basic safety net. I don't mind it.. I just sweat when I am on it. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Unemployment is dependent on your previous job from what I understand. He was in the Marines. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: How much is unemployment in OH? I max out here at 33% of my normal salary. I tell you I sweat and sweat trying to pick up my next gig. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: My roommate is on unemployment. How do you feel it sucks? He goes to school ~12 hours a week and gets paid more then I take for salary with tuition paid. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would
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I've been unemployed a few times but not for long though as I always did WHATEVER it took to find a job or start my own gig. I cant stand not working. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the side of safety, within reason. Just my opinion. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace
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I was laid off so many times I cant even begin to count. It was all part of the plan they had Lay off, call back when unemployment was about to expire, work long enough to get unemployment, lay off again.. My first job out of high school was with the state. One of those that you are supposed to be able to have for the rest of your life. Nope. Lay off, lay off, lay off. I gave up on iot and moved on, ran my own businesses for awhile then worked for CAT. Another job for life. Lay off, lay off, lay off. Moved to New York to work for Cat Lay off. I was DONE! Working for yourself might suck but at least I'm the one who mostly controls the level of suck. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids I've been unemployed a few times but not for long though as I always did WHATEVER it took to find a job or start my own gig. I cant stand not working. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the side of safety, within reason. Just my opinion. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept
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I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coopwrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the side of safety, within reason. Just my opinion. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coopwrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the side of safety, within reason. Just my opinion. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
I trust my kids yet... Hey, didn't I have some twenty's in my wallet? Where did those twenty's go...? What goes around, comes around! - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the side of safety, within reason. Just my opinion. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the side of safety, within reason. Just my opinion. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the side of safety, within reason. Just my opinion. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I*
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
It is dated but that's is what I believe. Society most definitely disagrees with that. Hopefully you don't come to regret those words some day :) On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the side of safety, within reason. Just my opinion. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the side of safety, within reason. Just my opinion. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor
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Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the side of safety, within reason. Just my opinion. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't
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My roommate is on unemployment. How do you feel it sucks? He goes to school ~12 hours a week and gets paid more then I take for salary with tuition paid. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the side of safety, within reason. Just my opinion. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say
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How much is unemployment in OH? I max out here at 33% of my normal salary. I tell you I sweat and sweat trying to pick up my next gig. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: My roommate is on unemployment. How do you feel it sucks? He goes to school ~12 hours a week and gets paid more then I take for salary with tuition paid. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the side of safety, within reason. Just my opinion. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger pa...@hrec.coop wrote: I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some discussion at a workshop I was at recently. How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept all those sorts of things. -Paul On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids
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Unemployment is dependent on your previous job from what I understand. He was in the Marines. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: How much is unemployment in OH? I max out here at 33% of my normal salary. I tell you I sweat and sweat trying to pick up my next gig. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: My roommate is on unemployment. How do you feel it sucks? He goes to school ~12 hours a week and gets paid more then I take for salary with tuition paid. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the side of safety, within reason. Just my opinion. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Trust your kids and they will trust you back. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19
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Yes, it depends on what you put in. Remember that unemployment is generally what you put in, to a point. The extensions that the feds put out are actually loans to your state that get paid back via unemployment taxes that you pay later. The system works as a basic safety net. I don't mind it.. I just sweat when I am on it. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Unemployment is dependent on your previous job from what I understand. He was in the Marines. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: How much is unemployment in OH? I max out here at 33% of my normal salary. I tell you I sweat and sweat trying to pick up my next gig. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: My roommate is on unemployment. How do you feel it sucks? He goes to school ~12 hours a week and gets paid more then I take for salary with tuition paid. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things
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I like that idea way more then living comfortably. Sitting at home on the couch naked eating Cheetos provides minimal benefit to society. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Yes, it depends on what you put in. Remember that unemployment is generally what you put in, to a point. The extensions that the feds put out are actually loans to your state that get paid back via unemployment taxes that you pay later. The system works as a basic safety net. I don't mind it.. I just sweat when I am on it. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Unemployment is dependent on your previous job from what I understand. He was in the Marines. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: How much is unemployment in OH? I max out here at 33% of my normal salary. I tell you I sweat and sweat trying to pick up my next gig. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: My roommate is on unemployment. How do you feel it sucks? He goes to school ~12 hours a week and gets paid more then I take for salary with tuition paid. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our lives would be at 23 or 24. I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you with my experiences, my results and my facts. Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937
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Sitting at home on the couch naked eating Cheetos provides minimal benefit to society. I am confused by the statement above. :) There is NOTHING wrong with the above action/life plan. :P ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I like that idea way more then living comfortably. Sitting at home on the couch naked eating Cheetos provides minimal benefit to society. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Yes, it depends on what you put in. Remember that unemployment is generally what you put in, to a point. The extensions that the feds put out are actually loans to your state that get paid back via unemployment taxes that you pay later. The system works as a basic safety net. I don't mind it.. I just sweat when I am on it. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Unemployment is dependent on your previous job from what I understand. He was in the Marines. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: How much is unemployment in OH? I max out here at 33% of my normal salary. I tell you I sweat and sweat trying to pick up my next gig. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: My roommate is on unemployment. How do you feel it sucks? He goes to school ~12 hours a week and gets paid more then I take for salary with tuition paid. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first job led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people around me and the things I have. My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them gets in to trouble, disobeys, does wrong things, etc. A friend I had in high school was in the same
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I couldn't do it as I'm a genetic workaholic. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Sitting at home on the couch naked eating Cheetos provides minimal benefit to society. I am confused by the statement above. :) There is NOTHING wrong with the above action/life plan. :P ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I like that idea way more then living comfortably. Sitting at home on the couch naked eating Cheetos provides minimal benefit to society. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Yes, it depends on what you put in. Remember that unemployment is generally what you put in, to a point. The extensions that the feds put out are actually loans to your state that get paid back via unemployment taxes that you pay later. The system works as a basic safety net. I don't mind it.. I just sweat when I am on it. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Unemployment is dependent on your previous job from what I understand. He was in the Marines. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: How much is unemployment in OH? I max out here at 33% of my normal salary. I tell you I sweat and sweat trying to pick up my next gig. ryan On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: My roommate is on unemployment. How do you feel it sucks? He goes to school ~12 hours a week and gets paid more then I take for salary with tuition paid. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: Obviously you have never been on unemployment. It sucks. ryan On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I heard that un-employment benefits recently got extended to 100 weeks Let's give the masses' more reason to not go find a job. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! Just come help with the family business and I'll make sure you eat, have a place to sleep, get a percentage of the profits :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What would my allowance be with no chores? Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and a bed. On 4/19/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Can I adopt you? :) On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of view. My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more then enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life
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I believe that when history looks back at the current internet kids it will be judged as a lost generation. --Original Mail-- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:24:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids If YOU came to me about something your kid was doing on MY system *I* would try to help you out as much as I could. But then again, I'm not a mega corp either. To me your kid is more valuable than the money I'd loose by running off a few customers. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids My soon to be 4 and 7 yo boys have iMacs. They are locked down and just do not know about that stuff yet. I removed access to the web browser in the PSP cause the oldest found it. He does not know how to use it (or so I think). The best parents can do these days is be very proactive which you seam to be trying to do. I do not know the legalities of monitoring a kids device, i leave that up to parents and their lawyers. There are key loggers for pretty much everything out there, VPN's to make sure the data comes back to you first, and so on. Talk to your lawyer. If your child has access to these services from another location then I would assume access from there will or has been used. Find out if so and who owns it, you might be able to access much of that history from there. Also the great way back machine and google cache can often have copies of peoples pages. Talk with your lawyer. If I came to you and said your site had given access to my minor, how would your advisers tell you to respond? Likely to fluff me off as fast as possible to avoid any liability. It could take a simple request from a letter head to get them moving on it, or possibly real threat of legal action. Did I mention, talk to your lawyer. S/He will be the best source of information for correct surveilla^R^R parenting of digital children. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
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My soon to be 4 and 7 yo boys have iMacs. They are locked down and just do not know about that stuff yet. I removed access to the web browser in the PSP cause the oldest found it. He does not know how to use it (or so I think). The best parents can do these days is be very proactive which you seam to be trying to do. I do not know the legalities of monitoring a kids device, i leave that up to parents and their lawyers. There are key loggers for pretty much everything out there, VPN's to make sure the data comes back to you first, and so on. Talk to your lawyer. If your child has access to these services from another location then I would assume access from there will or has been used. Find out if so and who owns it, you might be able to access much of that history from there. Also the great way back machine and google cache can often have copies of peoples pages. Talk with your lawyer. If I came to you and said your site had given access to my minor, how would your advisers tell you to respond? Likely to fluff me off as fast as possible to avoid any liability. It could take a simple request from a letter head to get them moving on it, or possibly real threat of legal action. Did I mention, talk to your lawyer. S/He will be the best source of information for correct surveilla^R^R parenting of digital children. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Speak firmly and borrow that big stick from Roosevelt when necessary. Fear of God is useless but Fear of Dad is profound. I raised 5 kids, youngest is 32, still works, no stick necessary, they just know where i keep it. Frank Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Hey marlon, Sigh...mine is finally 18! However, I totally understand the situation and had to cope with it myself. I employed a key logger. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
We use Bluecoat K9 and are very happy with it so far. My 14 and 13 year olds have Facebook accounts...under the condition that my wife and I are friended and have their passwords so that we can log in as them at any time. I found out that my son had a Google mail account a while back that he did not ask us for. We killed it. We have one home computer. It is a laptop and it stays in the main living areas. So far, I'm way ahead of the kids on technology and they know it. They believe that we can track anything they can do (and we can...to a point). We check up enough so that they know we are watching. I don't think that there is a perfect solution. If the kids are bound and determined to get to something they will do it. I tell kids that, before they hit send, they should think about what their post/text/email would look like on the front page of the NY Times (back when people read it!) above the fold. I've seen posts from my kids friend's on Facebook that make me cringe. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Forgot to mention (like Victoria said) KeyLogger best I've found http://www.covenanteyes.com/ but it's not free. It can be put on a PC and the user never knows that its on there you just get an email as to what that pc did. Still wont stop the Zune. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
I tried to help a customer get Yahoo to delete her email account and it took us almost an entire year to get some action. No, they wouldn't delete it, they would only LOCK it. And that, sadly enough, took a letter from her attorney. As I've heard many times, there is no delete button on the internet. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:44 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hey marlon, Sigh...mine is finally 18! However, I totally understand the situation and had to cope with it myself. I employed a key logger. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
I have also used opendns for personal home use and for a corporate customer that wanted control over their Internet. It is solid and does what you need it to do. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 14, 2010, at 7:28 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
YES! I've told many, many people.. If you want to keep your kids safe, no laptops, desktops that can't be lugged around and keep them all in a central, common area in the home. We have a computer repair business so we see everything. And I mean EVERYTHING! What is the number one favorite activity of 13, 14, 15+ year old girls who get that digital camera for their birthday? Hundreds of pictures of themselves in the mirror and some with not much or nothing on. Add that to the My Space pictures folder full of penis shots sent to them. I gave a laptop to a friend's daughter for school. What do I find? This 15 year old girl had amassed hundreds of nude pics of military men in Iraq and Afghanistan. She had become some sort of Pin Up girl for them, they were trading pics and chatting. Sigh...So she told the girl, at my suggestion, that I put Mirror Track software on the laptop to send me logs of everything. HA! No more problems with that now, she probably moved her activities to another machine someplace. Nothing you can do when they are motivated. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids We use Bluecoat K9 and are very happy with it so far. My 14 and 13 year olds have Facebook accounts...under the condition that my wife and I are friended and have their passwords so that we can log in as them at any time. I found out that my son had a Google mail account a while back that he did not ask us for. We killed it. We have one home computer. It is a laptop and it stays in the main living areas. So far, I'm way ahead of the kids on technology and they know it. They believe that we can track anything they can do (and we can...to a point). We check up enough so that they know we are watching. I don't think that there is a perfect solution. If the kids are bound and determined to get to something they will do it. I tell kids that, before they hit send, they should think about what their post/text/email would look like on the front page of the NY Times (back when people read it!) above the fold. I've seen posts from my kids friend's on Facebook that make me cringe. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Around here there are some kids with live linux on key drives they boot into to keep things private. Set your boot order to not have USB or CD in the boot order and put an admin password on the bios. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Forgot to mention (like Victoria said) KeyLogger best I've found http://www.covenanteyes.com/ but it's not free. It can be put on a PC and the user never knows that its on there you just get an email as to what that pc did. Still wont stop the Zune. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Those kids will then install Ubuntu using Wubi (if they have admin rights), have the back-door bios passwords somewhere, or start charring around a HDD and screwdriver. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Around here there are some kids with live linux on key drives they boot into to keep things private. Set your boot order to not have USB or CD in the boot order and put an admin password on the bios. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Forgot to mention (like Victoria said) KeyLogger best I've found http://www.covenanteyes.com/ but it's not free. It can be put on a PC and the user never knows that its on there you just get an email as to what that pc did. Still wont stop the Zune. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
You got it! But hey, I was the same way back in the day but then it was red boxing and phone hacking. (Ohio Bell made regular calls to my mother requesting her to have me take whatever it was off the line. My nemesis at the phone company eventually became a good friend when I got older) If they're motivated they will rise to the challenge and when they do, my hats off to them! At least they can get some GOOD experience from the effort, I hope anyway. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Philip Dorr Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Those kids will then install Ubuntu using Wubi (if they have admin rights), have the back-door bios passwords somewhere, or start charring around a HDD and screwdriver. On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Around here there are some kids with live linux on key drives they boot into to keep things private. Set your boot order to not have USB or CD in the boot order and put an admin password on the bios. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Forgot to mention (like Victoria said) KeyLogger best I've found http://www.covenanteyes.com/ but it's not free. It can be put on a PC and the user never knows that its on there you just get an email as to what that pc did. Still wont stop the Zune. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Marlon asked: So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? I taught them respect for others. I taught them to treat the janitor the same as they'd treat the principal. I taught them to befriend the friendless. I taught them honesty and integrity, and demonstrated by example. Tell them regularly you are proud of them. Trust them unless given reason not to trust. Listen. Listen some more. Ask good questions. Show an interest in what they are and what they do. My situation may be different than some other's, but I did some other things. I taught them how to handle guns with safety and to shoot. I taught them early how to drive a vehicle, as soon as they could see over the steering wheel, we took the Jeep out in the sticks and I taught them to drive. Parenting is not easy. Kids don't come with an owner's manual, and unfortunately don't come with an on-off switch. God speed in your parenting. Be careful you don't come down too hard and alienate them. Some such rifts last for years. Be aware that at 13, a kid thinks you are the most stupid person in the world, but at 21 will have an epiphany that you were right all along. Be aware that whoever coined the term terrible twos, never met a 4 year old, OR a 13 year old. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
You could always send them back to Russia with a note saying you no longer want them. Right? Obscure news story. sorry. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon asked: So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? I taught them respect for others. I taught them to treat the janitor the same as they'd treat the principal. I taught them to befriend the friendless. I taught them honesty and integrity, and demonstrated by example. Tell them regularly you are proud of them. Trust them unless given reason not to trust. Listen. Listen some more. Ask good questions. Show an interest in what they are and what they do. My situation may be different than some other's, but I did some other things. I taught them how to handle guns with safety and to shoot. I taught them early how to drive a vehicle, as soon as they could see over the steering wheel, we took the Jeep out in the sticks and I taught them to drive. Parenting is not easy. Kids don't come with an owner's manual, and unfortunately don't come with an on-off switch. God speed in your parenting. Be careful you don't come down too hard and alienate them. Some such rifts last for years. Be aware that at 13, a kid thinks you are the most stupid person in the world, but at 21 will have an epiphany that you were right all along. Be aware that whoever coined the term terrible twos, never met a 4 year old, OR a 13 year old. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
After getting 4 kids into their 20's, and learning from my own mistakes (A LOT of them) this is what I have come up with. TRUST. As soon as you expressly forbid them to do something, you have waived that red flag in front of them, and they will find a way. And you know, with the Zunes, Ipods, Cell phones, PSP's, etc, all with internet access, as well as library computers, school computers (the password to unlock the browsing safety program is well known) friends computers, etc, kids will access the net without you knowing about it, and they will do some stupid things. Teach them the consequences, both from you and from the real world, what can happen, and then be there. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:49 AM Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Yesterday my 13 year old son made me proud for about 10 seconds when we were working on a project for school. The paper asked, Who has been the biggest influence in your life?. He says, My Dad! with a big grin. The wife is all happy too and asks why and he points to his belly. Cause I eat what he eats and my belly is big! Hmm. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon asked: So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? I taught them respect for others. I taught them to treat the janitor the same as they'd treat the principal. I taught them to befriend the friendless. I taught them honesty and integrity, and demonstrated by example. Tell them regularly you are proud of them. Trust them unless given reason not to trust. Listen. Listen some more. Ask good questions. Show an interest in what they are and what they do. My situation may be different than some other's, but I did some other things. I taught them how to handle guns with safety and to shoot. I taught them early how to drive a vehicle, as soon as they could see over the steering wheel, we took the Jeep out in the sticks and I taught them to drive. Parenting is not easy. Kids don't come with an owner's manual, and unfortunately don't come with an on-off switch. God speed in your parenting. Be careful you don't come down too hard and alienate them. Some such rifts last for years. Be aware that at 13, a kid thinks you are the most stupid person in the world, but at 21 will have an epiphany that you were right all along. Be aware that whoever coined the term terrible twos, never met a 4 year old, OR a 13 year old. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Marlon, I think the issues you have here are common ones wether or not computers, hotmail, myspace or facebook are involved. They are just parent child issues. I used to be a technology coordinator for a school district. If you place security software on the machines, it will be worked around in minutes. The best thing I ever did was remove all of the stuff blocking everything, turned all of the machines around so I could see all the screens in the classrooms from the position you were teaching from and then put out the word in a whisper campaign that The School Tech guy can see EVERYTHING! :) This also works in corp environments... a quick walk into the sheep-porn-surfing-CFOs office with a stern I see everything... and I mean everything stops that stuff cold! In my personal life (I still consider myself young) I found that trust between parent and kid was the best method. The best thing my mother did was sit down with me one day and just tell me some of the crazy (s**t)... er things she did when she was my age... After hearing of: -The occasional kegger in the woods with her girlfriends (pull '69 Lincoln into the beer warehouse, place kegs in back seat, fill back seat with ice, go to party...) -Dating and all the things that went on with that. -Dating my dad (stop mom, I don't want to hear that!!) -disagreements with her parents. -occasional trouble in school. -etc, etc, etc.. I really started being really open with my mother because I knew that the things I was doing (staying out late occasionally, hanging out with friends, the occasional bottle of Boones grape flavored wine...) were minor things that she had done and were not as shocking to her as I thought. Because she was open with me about the good decisions and the bad ones she made, I was open with her. This open communication allows me to ask her advice on _ANYTHING_ because she was, and is not, judging me. While I have not always taken her advice, it has helped me make decisions from my teenage years till now... Of course. As it should be, when I was doing something that my mother would think was 'bad' the guilt would make me stop... When my now 7 year old is a bit older, my wife and I have agreed to share all of our life experiences with her. Good or bad. Sometimes it helps to know your parents were not saints and did make mistakes. We hope she comes to us with her problems, not so we can judge her, but so we can offer her our advice. We hope she learns from our mistakes. I want her to be the kid that calls me when she is drunk at 17 to come pick her up, rather than driving home to hide the fact she is drunk. I want her to know that there will be A HELL OF ALOT MORE trouble if my fire pager goes off and I have to cut her out of her car in the middle of the night than there would be if she pukes in my back seat. DDD That was way too much information to give out on the list. I think I might need a new group-ther...@wispa.org list-serv! Good luck Marlon, from a former teenage domestic terrorist all I can say is I am pretty sure your kid will survive... and prosper... I mean, you are his dad and you are a great example to follow! I have to go now. I need to call my mom! :) ryan On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
I have to echo Mike's sentiments on this subject. If a kid is motivated, they will find a way around any technical barrier that you put in place to stop them from posting/texting/sexting/etc. There are public computers, cell-phones, ipod/ipads, thumb drives, and damn near a million ways to get on line. The best method to protect children has been around for years... Teach them respect for themselves and others. Teach them to recognize the difference between right and wrong. Teach them to be leaders not followers. I have two sons ages 9 and 11. One's a WEBELOS (Cub Scout) the other is a TENDERFOOT (Boy Scout). We have three or four planned activities every month and it IS A TIME COMMITMENT! The boys have learned how to camp, how use a knife properly, how to shoot, how to show respect to others, to the flag, to our country, to god, and to family. I used to think Boy Scouts were a thing of the past... but I have renewed respect for the organization. It provides a structure to teach boys many of the life-skills that have been forgotten in this day-and-age and it provides an outlet to allow parents to become involved in the lives of their children. Best of luck to all of you parents, it's not easy but it is rewarding when you can look back on the lives that you helped foster. Regards, Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:41 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon asked: So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? I taught them respect for others. I taught them to treat the janitor the same as they'd treat the principal. I taught them to befriend the friendless. I taught them honesty and integrity, and demonstrated by example. Tell them regularly you are proud of them. Trust them unless given reason not to trust. Listen. Listen some more. Ask good questions. Show an interest in what they are and what they do. My situation may be different than some other's, but I did some other things. I taught them how to handle guns with safety and to shoot. I taught them early how to drive a vehicle, as soon as they could see over the steering wheel, we took the Jeep out in the sticks and I taught them to drive. Parenting is not easy. Kids don't come with an owner's manual, and unfortunately don't come with an on-off switch. God speed in your parenting. Be careful you don't come down too hard and alienate them. Some such rifts last for years. Be aware that at 13, a kid thinks you are the most stupid person in the world, but at 21 will have an epiphany that you were right all along. Be aware that whoever coined the term terrible twos, never met a 4 year old, OR a 13 year old. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
If YOU came to me about something your kid was doing on MY system *I* would try to help you out as much as I could. But then again, I'm not a mega corp either. To me your kid is more valuable than the money I'd loose by running off a few customers. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids My soon to be 4 and 7 yo boys have iMacs. They are locked down and just do not know about that stuff yet. I removed access to the web browser in the PSP cause the oldest found it. He does not know how to use it (or so I think). The best parents can do these days is be very proactive which you seam to be trying to do. I do not know the legalities of monitoring a kids device, i leave that up to parents and their lawyers. There are key loggers for pretty much everything out there, VPN's to make sure the data comes back to you first, and so on. Talk to your lawyer. If your child has access to these services from another location then I would assume access from there will or has been used. Find out if so and who owns it, you might be able to access much of that history from there. Also the great way back machine and google cache can often have copies of peoples pages. Talk with your lawyer. If I came to you and said your site had given access to my minor, how would your advisers tell you to respond? Likely to fluff me off as fast as possible to avoid any liability. It could take a simple request from a letter head to get them moving on it, or possibly real threat of legal action. Did I mention, talk to your lawyer. S/He will be the best source of information for correct surveilla^R^R parenting of digital children. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
We taken the other route. My son got his own domain, he got his own e-mail for his domain. Allowed him a Facebook account he have to have us as friends and we know the password. I get a copy (unknown by him) of any e-mails going to his e-mail account. We had the talk about proper online behavior such as never to share contact information such as address and phone number. He got his own netbook and itouch used to be limited what he could do by a software but it had so much flaws we disabled it (windows account is a limited account so can't install software). The router (mikrotik) logs the addresses he is visiting thanks to webproxy setup. On the itouch he do not have setup so he can install programs himself but he will ask and so far only been one app we wouldn't install (comic reader that could access as adult type comics and explained to him why wouldn't allow that one but found another software that would allow comic access but without adult content). So far so good. Daughter also got her own netbook but still using the software on it and it works best for her for now because it simplifies things on it for her. We tried the other way around with the older kids and it didn't work to great to be honest and was why the webproxy got setup in the first place and wish that XP been the OS back then so we could have given them limited access to windows but that was back in the days of 98. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
I worked at the MSN SOC (Service Operations Center) for a short while where requests like the one you listed below come in. Our hands were tied. There are specific hoops we had to jump through for ANY request of this type. Basically, there is a law enforcement fax number that goes to corporate legal. They review it and action is taken from there. IIRC, On an emergent cases we could clone the account and keep data either locked, or allow it to be accessed with a shadow copy to keep evidence/information intact and non-deleted. An emergent case would be one that may lead to immediate harm to an individual (kidnapping, suicide, murder etc)... Parent/child is not a criminal matter, it is a domestic/civil one. Service providers are not domestic refs or law enforcement. *sigh* and let me tell you, it is a fine line that I wanted to leap across... often. ryan On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I tried to help a customer get Yahoo to delete her email account and it took us almost an entire year to get some action. No, they wouldn't delete it, they would only LOCK it. And that, sadly enough, took a letter from her attorney. As I've heard many times, there is no delete button on the internet. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:44 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hey marlon, Sigh...mine is finally 18! However, I totally understand the situation and had to cope with it myself. I employed a key logger. ~V~ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Ok granted I should have seen that response. I meant to phrase is in a business way, i failed. My point is that $corp liability will trump $random.person in most cases. It also was not about running of customers but about the liability of actions. The more mom pop like a company, the more likely they are to assist others (in pretty much all areas). On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: If YOU came to me about something your kid was doing on MY system *I* would try to help you out as much as I could. But then again, I'm not a mega corp either. To me your kid is more valuable than the money I'd loose by running off a few customers. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids My soon to be 4 and 7 yo boys have iMacs. They are locked down and just do not know about that stuff yet. I removed access to the web browser in the PSP cause the oldest found it. He does not know how to use it (or so I think). The best parents can do these days is be very proactive which you seam to be trying to do. I do not know the legalities of monitoring a kids device, i leave that up to parents and their lawyers. There are key loggers for pretty much everything out there, VPN's to make sure the data comes back to you first, and so on. Talk to your lawyer. If your child has access to these services from another location then I would assume access from there will or has been used. Find out if so and who owns it, you might be able to access much of that history from there. Also the great way back machine and google cache can often have copies of peoples pages. Talk with your lawyer. If I came to you and said your site had given access to my minor, how would your advisers tell you to respond? Likely to fluff me off as fast as possible to avoid any liability. It could take a simple request from a letter head to get them moving on it, or possibly real threat of legal action. Did I mention, talk to your lawyer. S/He will be the best source of information for correct surveilla^R^R parenting of digital children. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
For what it is worth, it looks like the issue of liability and disclosure of private information is a concern to ISPs as they are faced with parent/child relations. Maybe an effective solution to this matter would be to modify your terms-of-service to indicate that (1) accounts may not be opened by minors - i.e. parental consent is required; (2) accounts for which a parent and/or guardian has authorized use by a minor are subject to monitoring and/or disclosure of any account activity to the authorizing parent and/or guardian. It seems to me that such language would open the door for an ISP to turn over email to the parent upon request or even put a packet sniffer in place and pull passwords for places such as Facebook, MySpace, or Gmail. I know that this all sounds pretty big-brother like and I don't encourage active monitoring of customer activities. It's a fine line we walk between being supportive and being intrusive. - Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Ok granted I should have seen that response. I meant to phrase is in a business way, i failed. My point is that $corp liability will trump $random.person in most cases. It also was not about running of customers but about the liability of actions. The more mom pop like a company, the more likely they are to assist others (in pretty much all areas). On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: If YOU came to me about something your kid was doing on MY system *I* would try to help you out as much as I could. But then again, I'm not a mega corp either. To me your kid is more valuable than the money I'd loose by running off a few customers. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids My soon to be 4 and 7 yo boys have iMacs. They are locked down and just do not know about that stuff yet. I removed access to the web browser in the PSP cause the oldest found it. He does not know how to use it (or so I think). The best parents can do these days is be very proactive which you seam to be trying to do. I do not know the legalities of monitoring a kids device, i leave that up to parents and their lawyers. There are key loggers for pretty much everything out there, VPN's to make sure the data comes back to you first, and so on. Talk to your lawyer. If your child has access to these services from another location then I would assume access from there will or has been used. Find out if so and who owns it, you might be able to access much of that history from there. Also the great way back machine and google cache can often have copies of peoples pages. Talk with your lawyer. If I came to you and said your site had given access to my minor, how would your advisers tell you to respond? Likely to fluff me off as fast as possible to avoid any liability. It could take a simple request from a letter head to get them moving on it, or possibly real threat of legal action. Did I mention, talk to your lawyer. S/He will be the best source of information for correct surveilla^R^R parenting of digital children. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
You've probably seen plenty of things on my FB that would make a father cringe. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:50 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids We use Bluecoat K9 and are very happy with it so far. My 14 and 13 year olds have Facebook accounts...under the condition that my wife and I are friended and have their passwords so that we can log in as them at any time. I found out that my son had a Google mail account a while back that he did not ask us for. We killed it. We have one home computer. It is a laptop and it stays in the main living areas. So far, I'm way ahead of the kids on technology and they know it. They believe that we can track anything they can do (and we can...to a point). We check up enough so that they know we are watching. I don't think that there is a perfect solution. If the kids are bound and determined to get to something they will do it. I tell kids that, before they hit send, they should think about what their post/text/email would look like on the front page of the NY Times (back when people read it!) above the fold. I've seen posts from my kids friend's on Facebook that make me cringe. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
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I see language occasionally, but nothing particularly dirty. I put those things in different categories. I am really surprised how many people use 4 letter words on f/b though. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids You've probably seen plenty of things on my FB that would make a father cringe. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:50 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids We use Bluecoat K9 and are very happy with it so far. My 14 and 13 year olds have Facebook accounts...under the condition that my wife and I are friended and have their passwords so that we can log in as them at any time. I found out that my son had a Google mail account a while back that he did not ask us for. We killed it. We have one home computer. It is a laptop and it stays in the main living areas. So far, I'm way ahead of the kids on technology and they know it. They believe that we can track anything they can do (and we can...to a point). We check up enough so that they know we are watching. I don't think that there is a perfect solution. If the kids are bound and determined to get to something they will do it. I tell kids that, before they hit send, they should think about what their post/text/email would look like on the front page of the NY Times (back when people read it!) above the fold. I've seen posts from my kids friend's on Facebook that make me cringe. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Great example? Apparently you haven't seen the pictures. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:12 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon, I think the issues you have here are common ones wether or not computers, hotmail, myspace or facebook are involved. They are just parent child issues. I used to be a technology coordinator for a school district. If you place security software on the machines, it will be worked around in minutes. The best thing I ever did was remove all of the stuff blocking everything, turned all of the machines around so I could see all the screens in the classrooms from the position you were teaching from and then put out the word in a whisper campaign that The School Tech guy can see EVERYTHING! :) This also works in corp environments... a quick walk into the sheep-porn-surfing-CFOs office with a stern I see everything... and I mean everything stops that stuff cold! In my personal life (I still consider myself young) I found that trust between parent and kid was the best method. The best thing my mother did was sit down with me one day and just tell me some of the crazy (s**t)... er things she did when she was my age... After hearing of: -The occasional kegger in the woods with her girlfriends (pull '69 Lincoln into the beer warehouse, place kegs in back seat, fill back seat with ice, go to party...) -Dating and all the things that went on with that. -Dating my dad (stop mom, I don't want to hear that!!) -disagreements with her parents. -occasional trouble in school. -etc, etc, etc.. I really started being really open with my mother because I knew that the things I was doing (staying out late occasionally, hanging out with friends, the occasional bottle of Boones grape flavored wine...) were minor things that she had done and were not as shocking to her as I thought. Because she was open with me about the good decisions and the bad ones she made, I was open with her. This open communication allows me to ask her advice on _ANYTHING_ because she was, and is not, judging me. While I have not always taken her advice, it has helped me make decisions from my teenage years till now... Of course. As it should be, when I was doing something that my mother would think was 'bad' the guilt would make me stop... When my now 7 year old is a bit older, my wife and I have agreed to share all of our life experiences with her. Good or bad. Sometimes it helps to know your parents were not saints and did make mistakes. We hope she comes to us with her problems, not so we can judge her, but so we can offer her our advice. We hope she learns from our mistakes. I want her to be the kid that calls me when she is drunk at 17 to come pick her up, rather than driving home to hide the fact she is drunk. I want her to know that there will be A HELL OF ALOT MORE trouble if my fire pager goes off and I have to cut her out of her car in the middle of the night than there would be if she pukes in my back seat. DDD That was way too much information to give out on the list. I think I might need a new group-ther...@wispa.org list-serv! Good luck Marlon, from a former teenage domestic terrorist all I can say is I am pretty sure your kid will survive... and prosper... I mean, you are his dad and you are a great example to follow! I have to go now. I need to call my mom! :) ryan On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
One of the real advantages I've found with K9 (and I'm sure just about any other service) is how it locks searches into the filtered mode. You can do the most innocent of searches and get some hard core stuff if the results are unfiltered. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 10:36 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids We taken the other route. My son got his own domain, he got his own e-mail for his domain. Allowed him a Facebook account he have to have us as friends and we know the password. I get a copy (unknown by him) of any e-mails going to his e-mail account. We had the talk about proper online behavior such as never to share contact information such as address and phone number. He got his own netbook and itouch used to be limited what he could do by a software but it had so much flaws we disabled it (windows account is a limited account so can't install software). The router (mikrotik) logs the addresses he is visiting thanks to webproxy setup. On the itouch he do not have setup so he can install programs himself but he will ask and so far only been one app we wouldn't install (comic reader that could access as adult type comics and explained to him why wouldn't allow that one but found another software that would allow comic access but without adult content). So far so good. Daughter also got her own netbook but still using the software on it and it works best for her for now because it simplifies things on it for her. We tried the other way around with the older kids and it didn't work to great to be honest and was why the webproxy got setup in the first place and wish that XP been the OS back then so we could have given them limited access to windows but that was back in the days of 98. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Ok I've been watching this thread since its beginning and I have to say it now, ..Come on over to myspace, twitter my yahoo, till I google on your facebook Lol :) Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 11:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids You've probably seen plenty of things on my FB that would make a father cringe. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:50 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids We use Bluecoat K9 and are very happy with it so far. My 14 and 13 year olds have Facebook accounts...under the condition that my wife and I are friended and have their passwords so that we can log in as them at any time. I found out that my son had a Google mail account a while back that he did not ask us for. We killed it. We have one home computer. It is a laptop and it stays in the main living areas. So far, I'm way ahead of the kids on technology and they know it. They believe that we can track anything they can do (and we can...to a point). We check up enough so that they know we are watching. I don't think that there is a perfect solution. If the kids are bound and determined to get to something they will do it. I tell kids that, before they hit send, they should think about what their post/text/email would look like on the front page of the NY Times (back when people read it!) above the fold. I've seen posts from my kids friend's on Facebook that make me cringe. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Marlon, this is a topic that I speak on in local churches, Kiwanis, and such. There are free apps like getk9.com that is completely free and locks down a PC's browsing. Then you can use user account controls in windows vista and Win7 to keep them from over-ridding your settings. But none of them protect Zunes, iPad, PSP's. You will need a account with OpenDNS and install that on your home routers DNS config to make it work right. There are ways you can bypass this for your use. But knowing the teacher you are on this list, I expect your son knows his way around network settings. As the old sayings go where there is a will there is a way. I am considering setting up a OpenDNS Router and making it a option for my clients. Routing all their traffic through it at their CPE. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 1:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
Marlon, thats right and this is a major issue with our society today - everyone is claiming to be watching out for our kids but nobody really is. Do it for the kids has been the social motto for years now but when you look at the things being done (or not) it makes your head swim. I'm not a lawyer, but I dont see any reason that ANY parent shouldnt have access to ANY and ALL information regarding their minor children who they are responsible for. Yet, there is a trend of protecting childrens rights trampling over the parent/child relationship. Marlon and all parents, you are wise to concerned. Nobody cares about your kids more than you. I'll go even further that never before has there been more evil towards our children than now. We need to call out these people who support this behavior. off soapbox On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: If YOU came to me about something your kid was doing on MY system *I* would try to help you out as much as I could. But then again, I'm not a mega corp either. To me your kid is more valuable than the money I'd loose by running off a few customers. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids My soon to be 4 and 7 yo boys have iMacs. They are locked down and just do not know about that stuff yet. I removed access to the web browser in the PSP cause the oldest found it. He does not know how to use it (or so I think). The best parents can do these days is be very proactive which you seam to be trying to do. I do not know the legalities of monitoring a kids device, i leave that up to parents and their lawyers. There are key loggers for pretty much everything out there, VPN's to make sure the data comes back to you first, and so on. Talk to your lawyer. If your child has access to these services from another location then I would assume access from there will or has been used. Find out if so and who owns it, you might be able to access much of that history from there. Also the great way back machine and google cache can often have copies of peoples pages. Talk with your lawyer. If I came to you and said your site had given access to my minor, how would your advisers tell you to respond? Likely to fluff me off as fast as possible to avoid any liability. It could take a simple request from a letter head to get them moving on it, or possibly real threat of legal action. Did I mention, talk to your lawyer. S/He will be the best source of information for correct surveilla^R^R parenting of digital children. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
[WISPA] how to protect your kids
Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
