cfpdf / merge (CF8.0.1)
We have some pretty simple CF8 code, to merge individual PDFs into a single document: cfdirectory action=list directory=#Application.PdfDir# filter=#Attributes.RunId#*.pdf sort=asc name=pdfList / cfif pdfList.RecordCount cfpdf action=merge destination=#Application.PdfDir#\merged_#Attributes.RunId#.pdf overwrite=yes cfloop query=pdfList cfpdfparam source=#Application.PdfDir#\#name# /cfloop /cfpdf /cfif This code has been working fine for months, until last night, when it has started giving the message: could not find %%EOF Anyone have any idea what might be causing this, and how to fix it? Thanks, Peter ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329887 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PGP and CF
When you run the batch file yourself, you apparently have sufficient rights to do so. The user account that CF is running as does not. You can test this by changing CF to run as your user account since you know that account has no issue running the batch file. If it works, you should be able to adjust the CF service's group memberships to match your account's or change the CF service to run as a user with sufficient privileges. That sounds about right, but since i am a newbie to all this CF and PGP, how do you do that? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329886 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
Mike: [A] there is almost no new development going on in ColdFusion An exaggeration I think. Yes, there are less jobs, but mostly this comes down to the effects of the recession. In times of uncertainty, companies invest less where there is perceived risk. Web Application development is perceived as high risk. I've noticed that the number of jobs advertised lately seems to have picked up. But we still have the same old trick by recruiters that tend to turn one job into what looks like 8, due to multi-agency sourcing by employers. You have to ask youself why they do that, and I suggest that its because employers are finding it hard to get the right sort of candidates for the few jobs they are offering. [B] There is next-to no apparent activity in the Usergroups on coldfusion, at least as far as I've seen. I've observed the same thing over a period of 10 years or so. The Cold Fusion market is mature, there are fewer newbies out there asking dumb questions. Cold Fusion is no longer seen as the new fashioned thing, rather the opposite, even by its proponents. [C] Adobe dont seem to be doing anything to promote ColdFusion here. Thats always been true (but substitute Macromedia as well) except for the time it was owned by J Allaire. Cold Fusion has always been driven by enthusiasm among its development fraternity. It would help if Adobe were to make an investment in Cold Fusion, it would be along the lines of making it more robust and less risky for companies wanting to invest. Some attention to incomplete product features (stuff that looks good but does not work or is hard to use) and less attention to new features unless they are essential to making it compete. Cold Fusion certainly has its threats, with .Net, PHP, Python etc alternatives out there. Originally CF had the game to itself and it was an original concept that helped ignite enthusiasm and help to turn the web into what it is today. Now the market is bigger and there is more competition when it comes to deciding what technology for a new project to get built in. The new-fashioned technologies get picked because they are shinier and well, not so old-fashioned. Not because they are any better. But building something in CF will generally get done faster [ If they can hire enough programmers ] But the opposition too are affected by the same industry wide problems seen by CF, that is the recession declining investment in web applications. Really though, given that CF is driven by enthusiasm, it does not help morale to have these all too frequent widely broadcast 'Chicken Little' type message events. If you feel that way, put together the message and then do a global search on your message and replace on it (replacing CF with C-Sharp) and send it into the message boards for one of our competitors. (and then duck for cover). In other words, go off quietly and don't bother the CF community about your doubts. We all know about the problem.If on the other hand you come up with a positive contribution that helps to lift morale, then tell the world about it. When you are discussing these matters with your friends, remind them and yourself of why CF always was and still remains a great concept with great productivity that to this day does things no other web development platform does. It is a proprietary platform but which is flexible enough to permit a wide variety of programming techniques. Boy i hope I'm wrong! Yep, well IMO you are. Cheers, Bryn Parrott Perth, Australia ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329888 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
Mike: [A] there is almost no new development going on in ColdFusion An exaggeration I think. Yes, there are less jobs, but mostly this comes down to the effects of the recession. In times of uncertainty, companies invest less where there is perceived risk. Web Application development is perceived as high risk. I've noticed that the number of jobs advertised lately seems to have picked up. But we still have the same old trick by recruiters that tend to turn one job into what looks like 8, due to multi-agency sourcing by employers. You have to ask youself why they do that, and I suggest that its because employers are finding it hard to get the right sort of candidates for the few jobs they are offering. [B] There is next-to no apparent activity in the Usergroups on coldfusion, at least as far as I've seen. I've observed the same thing over a period of 10 years or so. The Cold Fusion market is mature, there are fewer newbies out there asking dumb questions. Cold Fusion is no longer seen as the new fashioned thing, rather the opposite, even by its proponents. [C] Adobe dont seem to be doing anything to promote ColdFusion here. Thats always been true (but substitute Macromedia as well) except for the time it was owned by J Allaire. Cold Fusion has always been driven by enthusiasm among its development fraternity. It would help if Adobe were to make an investment in Cold Fusion, it would be along the lines of making it more robust and less risky for companies wanting to invest. Some attention to incomplete product features (stuff that looks good but does not work or is hard to use) and less attention to new features unless they are essential to making it compete. Cold Fusion certainly has its threats, with .Net, PHP, Python etc alternatives out there. Originally CF had the game to itself and it was an original concept that helped ignite enthusiasm and help to turn the web into what it is today. Now the market is bigger and there is more competition when it comes to deciding what technology for a new project to get built in. The new-fashioned technologies get picked because they are shinier and well, not so old-fashioned. Not because they are any better. But building something in CF will generally get done faster [ If they can hire enough programmers ] But the opposition too are affected by the same industry wide problems seen by CF, that is the recession declining investment in web applications. Really though, given that CF is driven by enthusiasm, it does not help morale to have these all too frequent widely broadcast 'Chicken Little' type message events. If you feel that way, put together the message and then do a global search on your message and replace on it (replacing CF with C-Sharp) and send it into the message boards for one of our competitors. (and then duck for cover). In other words, go off quietly and don't bother the CF community about your doubts. We all know about the problem.If on the other hand you come up with a positive contribution that helps to lift morale, then tell the world about it. When you are discussing these matters with your friends, remind them and yourself of why CF always was and still remains a great concept with great productivity that to this day does things no other web development platform does. It is a proprietary platform but which is flexible enough to permit a wide variety of programming techniques. Boy i hope I'm wrong! Yep, well IMO you are. Cheers, Bryn Parrott Perth, Australia ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329889 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PGP and CF
When you run the batch file yourself, you apparently have sufficient rights to do so. The user account that CF is running as does not. You can test this by changing CF to run as your user account since you know that account has no issue running the batch file. If it works, you should be able to adjust the CF service's group memberships to match your account's or change the CF service to run as a user with sufficient privileges. that sounds about right, but since i am a newbie to all this CF and PGP, how do you do that? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329890 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
CFFeed read problem for http://data.gov.uk/rss.xml . Just me?
Just trying to run the following: cffeed source = http://data.gov.uk/rss.xml; properties = myProps query = myQuery Errors every time from CF8 with one of 2 errors (usually 1, but sometimes 2), either: 1. String index out of range: -1 2. Unable to parse the feed: Either source specified is invalid or feed is malformed. Error: Invalid XML: Error on line 1: Content is not allowed in prolog. From CF9 developer's version it usually works fine but does occasionally error with one of the two errors above. I can browse to it fine. What's wrong with my CF8? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329891 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
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Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
Anecdotal but still interesting(?): I'm not actively job-searching but I do
receive email-notifications re: new CF opportunities from:
- GetColdFusionJobs.com
- LinkedIn - CFManiacs:ColdFusion Developers Group
- LinkedIn - ColdFusion - 3000+ Members!
- LinkedIn - ColdFusion
- cf-j...@houseoffusion.com
- Indeed.com
- Monster.com
- etc
Many messages contain more than one opportunity. Some messages contain
duplicate opportunities. Here're the message counts:
Jun - 95
Jul - 98
Aug - 101
Sep - 103
Oct - 134
Nov - 144
Dec - 146
Jan - 56 so far
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Andy Allan andy.al...@gmail.com wrote:
There was a lot of activity in Europe in 2009:
* ColdFusion Insider Workshop Tour, which visited a good dozen
European countries if not more
* Ben Forta UG Tour, probably visiting half a dozen countries, if not more
* Scotch on the Road UK and Scotch on the Road Europe, which visited
Scotland, England, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Netherlands and
Belgium
For 2010 I know Ben Forta is coming back, because the Netherland CFUG
has announced a date in March, and Scotch on the Rocks is back to
running in a single location on May 24/25 in London.
Andy
2010/1/21 Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com:
[C] Adobe dont seem to be doing anything to promote ColdFusion here.
That's been a long-standing complaint since the Macromedia days
{insert country here} gets no love. Adobe added a European
specialist (Claude Englebert) and were looking at how best to support
the APAC market - but these are not simple problems to solve and there
is no unlimited marketing budget.
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RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
Not in Australia, and Mike is right the jobs are not there for ColdFusion developers in Australia. Australia is not in a recession, America might be. But we refuse to acknowledge this, and our economy here is actually very strong in a lot of areas. The job market here has continued to reflect that Companies are moving to other technologies because it is getting harder and harder to get good ColdFusion developers. This has not changed in the last 10 years. If anyone wishes to reflect that we are in a recession then please Explain how the jobs for ColdFusion began declining in 1999, and have continued to drop for ColdFusion? Again let me say this, the Australian IT industry is thriving, just not the ColdFusion side of it. If there are no developers to replace, then the companies have no choice but to look at moving to another technology where developers and resources can be replaced, this hasn't changed in the last 10 years either. It really sickens me that the excuse of a recession is used, are you saying that we have been in a recession for the last 10 years Sean? I don't thinks so. -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2010 6:03 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs The pool of CFers is constantly growing. Rates are still higher for CFers than most other web technologies. There are more CFML conferences and events than ever. But there is a recession going on - and that hurts everyone. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329894 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
FCKEditor config file
I have a client that needs to have a specific toolbar for the editor - but doesn't want to make the change in the config file. Do you know any tricks out there to accomplish this? H ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329895 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
Surely most of the people who read Mike's original message do not live in Australia and do not have first-hand knowledge of the state of CF there. However, Mike's subject was not Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia and several of his points seemed to be non-Australia-specific. http://www.indeed.com.au/jobs?q=coldfusion+or+cold+fusion; ...returns 32 jobs: 1 CF job for every 691,348 Australians. http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=coldfusion+OR+cold+fusion; ...returns 2,644 jobs: 1 CF job for every 116,688 Americans. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:42 AM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: Not in Australia, and Mike is right the jobs are not there for ColdFusion developers in Australia. Australia is not in a recession, America might be. But we refuse to acknowledge this, and our economy here is actually very strong in a lot of areas. The job market here has continued to reflect that Companies are moving to other technologies because it is getting harder and harder to get good ColdFusion developers. This has not changed in the last 10 years. If anyone wishes to reflect that we are in a recession then please Explain how the jobs for ColdFusion began declining in 1999, and have continued to drop for ColdFusion? Again let me say this, the Australian IT industry is thriving, just not the ColdFusion side of it. If there are no developers to replace, then the companies have no choice but to look at moving to another technology where developers and resources can be replaced, this hasn't changed in the last 10 years either. It really sickens me that the excuse of a recession is used, are you saying that we have been in a recession for the last 10 years Sean? I don't thinks so. -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2010 6:03 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs The pool of CFers is constantly growing. Rates are still higher for CFers than most other web technologies. There are more CFML conferences and events than ever. But there is a recession going on - and that hurts everyone. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329896 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote:
Ah, Mike, how long's it been since your last ColdFusion is dead post?
A very long time. In the past i have joined discussions on this
topic, saying something along the lines that 'even if Adobe announced
the cancellation of the product, there would still be jobs around'.
I have never felt pessimistic about this line of work until now.
Contrast this with a few years ago when
freelancers like me had jobs lined up one behind the other.
Contrast this with a few years ago when we weren't in the biggest
recession since... when? WWII? The Great Depression?
The US and Europe might be, but Australia isnt. We havent been hit
to anywhere near the extent that other countries have. Yes we have a
down-turn, but not like elsewhere.
[B] There is next-to no apparent activity in the Usergroups on
coldfusion, at least as far as I've seen. Everyone's fussing about
Flex and Flash and Railo and Ruby on Rails and no one's talking about
ColdFusion.
OK, now you're the *fourth* person to say the same thing to me
today... What is up with user groups that I'm hearing this so much
lately?
My point about the UGs is that my feeling (which i keep saying i hope
is wrong) is that CF is cold now and even developers arent talking
much about it. Instead talking about Flex, Ajax, Flash, other stuff.
I get the impression you dont talk about CF any where near as much
as you used to, Sean.
[C] Adobe dont seem to be doing anything to promote ColdFusion here.
That's been a long-standing complaint since the Macromedia days
{insert country here} gets no love. Adobe added a European
specialist (Claude Englebert) and were looking at how best to support
the APAC market - but these are not simple problems to solve and there
is no unlimited marketing budget.
Never said there was. But as things get harder for me, I look for
signs that might tell me what I ought to do about it. Should I hang
in with CF or maybe do something else? And one of the worries i
have that I hope someone will prove is foundless, is that the
impression I get is that Adobe arent promoting ColdFusion much in
Australia.I had an Adobe guy tell me a while back we're in the
IDE and Development Tool business not the server business. I dont
know why we have ColdFusion at all.That was a bit disquieting at
the time, and I wonder . what if that feeling was widespread in Adobe?
What if they start seeing CF as an orphan?
Boy i hope I'm wrong!
You are :)
Good then!
The pool of CFers is constantly growing. Rates are still higher for
CFers than most other web technologies. There are more CFML
conferences and events than ever.
There is an extra CF conference here in 2009, but i dont see evidence
of the rest. Rate pressure down more, fewer jobs than ever before.
-
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
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RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia
I read it as a commentary on the state of cf in general, not specifically in Australia. Can we amend the subject line - we really don't need more grist for the 'cf is dead' mill -Original Message- From: John M Bliss [mailto:bliss.j...@gmail.com] Sent: 21 January 2010 12:54 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs Surely most of the people who read Mike's original message do not live in Australia and do not have first-hand knowledge of the state of CF there. However, Mike's subject was not Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia and several of his points seemed to be non-Australia-specific. http://www.indeed.com.au/jobs?q=coldfusion+or+cold+fusion; ...returns 32 jobs: 1 CF job for every 691,348 Australians. http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=coldfusion+OR+cold+fusion; ...returns 2,644 jobs: 1 CF job for every 116,688 Americans. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329898 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
I live in Surrey and work in London, I have seen a decline on the job boards for Coldfusion - Some of that most certainly due to the recession :( but alot due to CIO's following the trends. I currently work for a company that has ditched CF and moved to C#.net all because the new CIO came from taht background. A number of other big players in London are also ditching CF and moving to .net which I find really frustrating, I guarantee this is all decisions made at the top - The upper management in organisations dont understand the value of CF and I blame alot of that on the bad press coverage that Adobe provides. I am a die hard CF fan but I am finding myself having to go down a C#.net route to retain the daily rates I am getting. If I look on jobserve.co.ukand search for CF roles there are like 3 pages covering the whole of the UK, if I do the same search for C#.net there are about 20+ pages of roles. This frustrates hell out of me. CF is AWESOME and i want to continue using it!!! Jose On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: Not in Australia, and Mike is right the jobs are not there for ColdFusion developers in Australia. Australia is not in a recession, America might be. But we refuse to acknowledge this, and our economy here is actually very strong in a lot of areas. The job market here has continued to reflect that Companies are moving to other technologies because it is getting harder and harder to get good ColdFusion developers. This has not changed in the last 10 years. If anyone wishes to reflect that we are in a recession then please Explain how the jobs for ColdFusion began declining in 1999, and have continued to drop for ColdFusion? Again let me say this, the Australian IT industry is thriving, just not the ColdFusion side of it. If there are no developers to replace, then the companies have no choice but to look at moving to another technology where developers and resources can be replaced, this hasn't changed in the last 10 years either. It really sickens me that the excuse of a recession is used, are you saying that we have been in a recession for the last 10 years Sean? I don't thinks so. -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 21 January 2010 6:03 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs The pool of CFers is constantly growing. Rates are still higher for CFers than most other web technologies. There are more CFML conferences and events than ever. But there is a recession going on - and that hurts everyone. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329899 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
Interesting, John. Actually of those 32 jobs om Australia, 4 are in Sydney, the biggest city in the country, One is for a .NET developer and exposure to Coldfusion would be an advantage, Another is for a FLASH developer with some exposure to Coldfusion. So those two arent really coldfusion jobs. So that leaves 2 jobs in a city of 4.5million people. One of those isnt really a coldfusion job - its coldfusion related - they're looking for a front-end developer in a web agency that uses coldfusion for their dynamic pages. let's say its half a coldfusion job. That means there are 1.5 coldfusion jobs according to Indeed.com.au. It's a paradox, but I think Andrew's right - the ColdFusion sites are steadily changing to other technologies - .Net or php mostly or java for the larger ones. At least that's my perception. Last year i had my 3 biggest clients tell me they weren't doing any more development in Coldfusion - they were switching to .NET in two cases, and Java in the other case. I'm not trying to whine and say Adobe should solve all my problems. But it is a worrying trend, and I'd like to know what (if anything) is being done to reverse it. Right now, it seems no one really is putting too much effort into creating new ColdFusion sites, at least here in Sydney. From what I see anyway. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:53 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: Surely most of the people who read Mike's original message do not live in Australia and do not have first-hand knowledge of the state of CF there. However, Mike's subject was not Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia and several of his points seemed to be non-Australia-specific. http://www.indeed.com.au/jobs?q=coldfusion+or+cold+fusion; ...returns 32 jobs: 1 CF job for every 691,348 Australians. http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=coldfusion+OR+cold+fusion; ...returns 2,644 jobs: 1 CF job for every 116,688 Americans. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329900 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting, John. Actually of those 32 jobs om Australia, 4 are in Sydney, the biggest city in the country, So go to the 28 other jobs and explain to them why telecommuting would be good for their company and expand your pool. Either that or move if the job market is that bad out there. Sorry if I offend, but it seems that you want the perfect job in the perfect place and it isn't working out. So instead of you doing something about it, you are claiming that no one wants CF developers anymor ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329901 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: cfpdf / merge (CF8.0.1)
Turned out the source PDFs were corrupt/truncated, due to that damned 64000 byte default on the datasources. (I'm almost certain I'd changed that, but oh well.) Anyone have suggestions on a nice way to throw an error when the data is truncated? (rather than silently failing at that point and erroring later on.) ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329902 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia
What would be a whole lot better is if someone said 'no you are wrong, Mike, look at all the things we're doing to promote Coldfusion to .net/php/java users: a: b: c: etc' or No Mike, you're wrong the server customer base has increased over the last year by xx% or No Mike, we presented at a .Net conference in Sydney last July, and at a .php conference in Melbourne in August ... etc but there's none of that at all. Not a sound. Not even 'hey look at the great new user that bought CF Enterprise! ...' or look at this great new CF application that XXX Pty Ltd put in .. Nothing from Adobe. I might be wrong - I hope I am, but Adobe didnt know much about what to do with a server product when they bought Macromedia, and I got the impression that many Adobe people see it as a bit of an orphan, a bit of a non-core product, and not a good career move in Adobe to be associated with it unless you're Ben Forta. I got the feeling that Adobe people think it's something they got stuck with when they bought Macromedia for what they REALLY wanted - Flash and Dreamweaver. Certainly in Australia i have yet to hear of anyone at Adobe who is annoyed because I am painting them in a bad light that's undeserved. Let me say here and now that I will VERY rapidly change my tune on this if anyone can show me that I'm wrong about this.But let me summarise the 3 main factors: [A] hardly any jobs for over a year now [B] hardly any promotion activity on ColdFusion apart from preaching to the converted at CF Conferences [C] Very little or no interest in Coldfusion from the usergroups. Does that add up to a vibrant, growing, thriving community? Either prove me wrong someone, or stop bashing me for being critical and for gods sake lets poke someone in the ribs who's in a position to DO SOMETHING about it! Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Will Swain w...@hothorse.com wrote: I read it as a commentary on the state of cf in general, not specifically in Australia. Can we amend the subject line - we really don't need more grist for the 'cf is dead' mill ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329903 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
No, Phillip. I have been busy all year, but i dug up projects of my own. What i am concerned about is the apparent lack of activity on the part of anyone to get new ColdFusion sites up and going, while most of us can point to CF sites that have gone to other technologies. Go ahead. Bash me. if it amuses you. Bash away. But it doesnt change the problem. Its ignoring the problem I'm trying so hard to point out. We're all so scared to say that Adobe arent doing much because we might be labelled one of the ColdFusion is dead crew that it's just being neglected. At least that's how it seems to me, and there is NO ONE who has made any effort to tell me I'm wrong about that. Look I know the signs. I spent more than 20 years in Sales Management, Sales to Government (state and Federal departments) and major accounts sales. I know what major sales activity looks like. And I havent seen any. I could easily be wrong because I dont mix in those circles any more.I have a son in product management in the biggest IT distributor in Australia. He also says there is no apparent activity happening in ColdFusion that they can see. He also could easily be wrong about ColdFusion because he also might be talking to people who wouldnt know about CF. I'm not asking for anyone to reveal projects that are delicate and might fall over. I'm not asking anyone to reveal confidential information. But surely there is SOMETHING someone can point to that says Adobe are promoting ColdFusion in Australia. Where is the trade show presentation? What about a booth at a .Net conference? Any presentations at Adobe gatherings? What about when Adobe had the presentations to potential customers last year,was anything said about ColdFusion then? I didnt see anything mentioned about CF on the agenda so I didnt go. I had a living to earn. Any ads placed? Any mailouts done? Any brochures printed? Did anyone actually make a phone call to any potential new CF customer? Or have they decided to spend their efforts on development tools and IDEs and just let the server product manage itself? All I know is what I see with my own eyes. And for daring to speak about it, I'm getting slammed as one of the ColdFusion is dead people. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Phillip Vector vec...@mostdeadlygame.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting, John. Actually of those 32 jobs om Australia, 4 are in Sydney, the biggest city in the country, So go to the 28 other jobs and explain to them why telecommuting would be good for their company and expand your pool. Either that or move if the job market is that bad out there. Sorry if I offend, but it seems that you want the perfect job in the perfect place and it isn't working out. So instead of you doing something about it, you are claiming that no one wants CF developers anymor ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329904 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
You are being a jerk Phillip. I'm talking about one of the world's largest and most sophisticated cities. The largest city in a very advanced economy. And in this city of nearly 5 million people there are apparently 4 jobs for people involving ColdFusion, and of those, only 2 actually want any ColdFusion programming. If I was Adobe's CEO I'd be reading the riot act about it. This is how it's been for over a year, in a country that DID NOT go into recession. I'm not complaining because I cant have the perfect job in the perfect place and I'm not going to accept anything less. That's insulting. I'm not sitting idly waiting for money to fall into my hands. That's insulting too. And how dare you presume to decide for me that I should uproot my family, kids, sell my house, move my businesses, find help for my disabled wife, when you havent got a clue about my personal situation. Life's all very easy when you dont have to worry about little details like that - when it's not YOUR family you are tipping upside down. Dont be a jerk. Actually READ what i'm saying or shut the hell up. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Phillip Vector vec...@mostdeadlygame.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting, John. Actually of those 32 jobs om Australia, 4 are in Sydney, the biggest city in the country, So go to the 28 other jobs and explain to them why telecommuting would be good for their company and expand your pool. Either that or move if the job market is that bad out there. Sorry if I offend, but it seems that you want the perfect job in the perfect place and it isn't working out. So instead of you doing something about it, you are claiming that no one wants CF developers anymor ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329905 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:54 AM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: Go ahead. Bash me. if it amuses you. Bash away. But it doesnt change the problem. Its ignoring the problem I'm trying so hard to point out. We're all so scared to say that Adobe arent doing much because we might be labelled one of the ColdFusion is dead crew that it's just being neglected. At least that's how it seems to me, and there is NO ONE who has made any effort to tell me I'm wrong about that. First of all, I'm not bashing you. I am merely pointing out how it looks from my point of view. I'm sorry if you took that as bashing. No need to get defensive. :) I'm not asking for anyone to reveal projects that are delicate and might fall over. I'm not asking anyone to reveal confidential information. But surely there is SOMETHING someone can point to that says Adobe are promoting ColdFusion in Australia. Ah.. So you are complaining about CF in Australia. My bad. I thought you were talking about ColdFusion in general. Again I will say, if CF is that bad in Australia, telecommute or move to someplace that it IS good. I'm pretty sure CF is dying in Tuvalu as well, but if I lived there, I would look into other options. Or have they decided to spend their efforts on development tools and IDEs and just let the server product manage itself? Considering they are about to release CF9 (or have they already? I just use 8 currently), I doubt they are giving up on it. All I know is what I see with my own eyes. And for daring to speak about it, I'm getting slammed as one of the ColdFusion is dead people. Because you are saying it. i think the trends tell me ColdFusion is either a dead duck of soon to be a dead duck You aren't getting slammed either. We are trying to explain how you are incorrect and you seem to not want t ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329906 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: cfpdf / merge (CF8.0.1)
Anyone have suggestions on a nice way to throw an error when the data is truncated? (rather than silently failing at that point and erroring later on.) Do you mean when the physical file is created from the datasource? You could try using one of the IsPDF...() functions. If the file data is truncated, the function should return false. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329907 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
THE RUMORS OF MY DEMISE ARE GREATLY EXAGERATED - Mark Twain Just a couple of comments on this issue: 1. We are deploying new CF sites every month. Many are major... banks, universities, colleges, credit unions, hospitals, etc. 2. Jack Henry is one of the major providers of on-line banking services in the US. We work with them all the time. They are pure CF, and are a major player in the US banking industry. We also have several major financial clients (securities and investments - SEC stuff) who are pure CF. 3. We have no problems selling CF driven sites. The core issue is the power of the applications, good design and solid architecture... rarely does it come to language. 4. I've been doing CF for way more than I decade. I hear this doom saying rant every couple of years. If I'd have listened to it the first time I heard it I'd have abandoned CF when it was still owned by Allaire, instead I've enjoyed a great career developing CF and I am not highly concerned for at least the next several years. If anyone ever does kill CF it will probably be the self-fulfilling prophecy created by chatter like this :-) Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 Hauppauge NY 11788 P : 631.231.6600 Ext. 119 F : 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Great advertising can't be either/or. It must be . Plug in to our blog: AW Unplugged http://www.austin-williams.com/unplugged __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4793 (20100121) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329908 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia
I'll take your word for it on the state of the cf market in Australia. You live and work there, and have first hand experience. Would like to hear from other Aus based cfers too on this. But, you have to see how your initial post and the thread title were misleading. -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebwo...@gmail.com] Sent: 21 January 2010 14:07 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs You are being a jerk Phillip. I'm talking about one of the world's largest and most sophisticated cities. The largest city in a very advanced economy. And in this city of nearly 5 million people there are apparently 4 jobs for people involving ColdFusion, and of those, only 2 actually want any ColdFusion programming. If I was Adobe's CEO I'd be reading the riot act about it. This is how it's been for over a year, in a country that DID NOT go into recession. I'm not complaining because I cant have the perfect job in the perfect place and I'm not going to accept anything less. That's insulting. I'm not sitting idly waiting for money to fall into my hands. That's insulting too. And how dare you presume to decide for me that I should uproot my family, kids, sell my house, move my businesses, find help for my disabled wife, when you havent got a clue about my personal situation. Life's all very easy when you dont have to worry about little details like that - when it's not YOUR family you are tipping upside down. Dont be a jerk. Actually READ what i'm saying or shut the hell up. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Phillip Vector vec...@mostdeadlygame.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting, John. Actually of those 32 jobs om Australia, 4 are in Sydney, the biggest city in the country, So go to the 28 other jobs and explain to them why telecommuting would be good for their company and expand your pool. Either that or move if the job market is that bad out there. Sorry if I offend, but it seems that you want the perfect job in the perfect place and it isn't working out. So instead of you doing something about it, you are claiming that no one wants CF developers anymor ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329909 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
Could it be perhaps that you're not looking in the right locations for these jobs? I'd guess that a portion of it is that CF developers aren't moving positions, which means that the positions that ARE out there are currently filled. While that could also mean that there's no growth in CF, it most likely means that the economy is bad and no one is hiring period. On the other hand my company in Nashville TN has hired 2 CF developers in the last 3 months and is looking to hire 2 more. Take from that what you will. Andy Matthews Dealerskins -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:18 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs Interesting, John. Actually of those 32 jobs om Australia, 4 are in Sydney, the biggest city in the country, One is for a .NET developer and exposure to Coldfusion would be an advantage, Another is for a FLASH developer with some exposure to Coldfusion. So those two arent really coldfusion jobs. So that leaves 2 jobs in a city of 4.5million people. One of those isnt really a coldfusion job - its coldfusion related - they're looking for a front-end developer in a web agency that uses coldfusion for their dynamic pages. let's say its half a coldfusion job. That means there are 1.5 coldfusion jobs according to Indeed.com.au. It's a paradox, but I think Andrew's right - the ColdFusion sites are steadily changing to other technologies - .Net or php mostly or java for the larger ones. At least that's my perception. Last year i had my 3 biggest clients tell me they weren't doing any more development in Coldfusion - they were switching to .NET in two cases, and Java in the other case. I'm not trying to whine and say Adobe should solve all my problems. But it is a worrying trend, and I'd like to know what (if anything) is being done to reverse it. Right now, it seems no one really is putting too much effort into creating new ColdFusion sites, at least here in Sydney. From what I see anyway. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:53 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: Surely most of the people who read Mike's original message do not live in Australia and do not have first-hand knowledge of the state of CF there. However, Mike's subject was not Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia and several of his points seemed to be non-Australia-specific. http://www.indeed.com.au/jobs?q=coldfusion+or+cold+fusion; ...returns 32 jobs: 1 CF job for every 691,348 Australians. http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=coldfusion+OR+cold+fusion; ...returns 2,644 jobs: 1 CF job for every 116,688 Americans. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329910 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:06 AM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: You are being a jerk Phillip. Sorry I come across that way. It isn't my intent. If you wish to consider me a jerk and that makes you feel better, then feel free. I'm talking about one of the world's largest and most sophisticated cities. The largest city in a very advanced economy. And in this city of nearly 5 million people there are apparently 4 jobs for people involving ColdFusion, and of those, only 2 actually want any ColdFusion programming. Actually, according to the world atlas.. (http://www.worldatlas.com/citypops.htm) 73. Sydney, Australia - 3,665,000 As for the 2 jobs, are you really locked into only working in Sydney? Is telecommuting a difficult thing for you to do? This is how it's been for over a year, in a country that DID NOT go into recession. Actually, it did. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/australia-in-recession-imf/story-e6frg6n6-118720026 True, it didn't hit you guys as hard as the rest of the world.. Australia's forecast -0.2pc growth this year is not as dire as the US (-1.6pc), Europe (-2pc), the UK (-2.8 pc) and Japan (-2.6pc). But it still had one and that is probably a factor (note that I didn't say cause, but a factor) in the less then stellar job market. I'm not complaining because I cant have the perfect job in the perfect place and I'm not going to accept anything less. That's insulting. Well, that is how it appears to me. My mistake. I'm not sitting idly waiting for money to fall into my hands. That's insulting too. Never said you were. Please do not mis-state what I am saying. And how dare you presume to decide for me that I should uproot my family, kids, sell my house, move my businesses, find help for my disabled wife, when you havent got a clue about my personal situation. Life's all very easy when you dont have to worry about little details like that - when it's not YOUR family you are tipping upside down. If I didn't have a job, I would move me and my family to get one. But you seem to be forgetting about the telecommuting option I mentioned. Do you usually focus on the worst solution only? Dont be a jerk. Actually READ what i'm saying or shut the hell up. I read it. I'm giving my opinion on what I read. I'm done. Cheers ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329911 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia
Actually Adobe has been saying since cf.Objective 2009 (I was there in person) that their user based has grown 300% over the last 5 years. From 250k users around 2004 to over 800k users in 2008/2009. As for XYZ company just bought CF Enterprise, they're not going to share that with you unless it's for a white paper. Have you gone to the Adobe site to see if they've released white papers? It just seems like that unless you're personally looking for a CF job and can't find one, why do you care if other people think CF is dead? Andy matthews -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:34 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia What would be a whole lot better is if someone said 'no you are wrong, Mike, look at all the things we're doing to promote Coldfusion to .net/php/java users: a: b: c: etc' or No Mike, you're wrong the server customer base has increased over the last year by xx% or No Mike, we presented at a .Net conference in Sydney last July, and at a .php conference in Melbourne in August ... etc but there's none of that at all. Not a sound. Not even 'hey look at the great new user that bought CF Enterprise! ...' or look at this great new CF application that XXX Pty Ltd put in .. Nothing from Adobe. I might be wrong - I hope I am, but Adobe didnt know much about what to do with a server product when they bought Macromedia, and I got the impression that many Adobe people see it as a bit of an orphan, a bit of a non-core product, and not a good career move in Adobe to be associated with it unless you're Ben Forta. I got the feeling that Adobe people think it's something they got stuck with when they bought Macromedia for what they REALLY wanted - Flash and Dreamweaver. Certainly in Australia i have yet to hear of anyone at Adobe who is annoyed because I am painting them in a bad light that's undeserved. Let me say here and now that I will VERY rapidly change my tune on this if anyone can show me that I'm wrong about this.But let me summarise the 3 main factors: [A] hardly any jobs for over a year now [B] hardly any promotion activity on ColdFusion apart from preaching to the converted at CF Conferences [C] Very little or no interest in Coldfusion from the usergroups. Does that add up to a vibrant, growing, thriving community? Either prove me wrong someone, or stop bashing me for being critical and for gods sake lets poke someone in the ribs who's in a position to DO SOMETHING about it! Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Will Swain w...@hothorse.com wrote: I read it as a commentary on the state of cf in general, not specifically in Australia. Can we amend the subject line - we really don't need more grist for the 'cf is dead' mill ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329912 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: FCKEditor config file
Yes you can have an external config file, unique to your own situation OUTSIDE the FCEditor folder. The usual reason he wouldnt want to touch the config file is because when there's a new version, he'll have to tweak it all over again. They have a way around that. In addition to the config file, you can built your own config file that is external to FCKEditor that is processed AFTER FCKEditor's own config file. It will override any of the settings in the config file. That way, you can set up your custom toolbar (or any other setting if it comes to that) and when you copy a new version into the FCKEDitor folder, it doesnt replace the custom config file. Here's how you do it: You have a folder with the standard default FCKEditor set up. Lets say it's called root/forms/fckeditor . then SOMEWHERE else, perhaps root/forms you have a file called FCKEditor_Config.js and you put in there any settings that you want to override, such as your custom toolbar. Here's one I have in my one: FCKConfig.ToolbarSets[Simple] = [ ['Source','-'], ['Cut','Copy','Paste','PasteText','PasteWord','-'], ['Undo','Redo','-','Find','Replace','-','SelectAll','RemoveFormat'], '/', ['Bold','Italic','Underline','StrikeThrough','-','Subscript','Superscript'], ['OrderedList','UnorderedList','-','Outdent','Indent','Blockquote'], ['Link','Unlink','Anchor','Image','Rule','SpecialChar','-'], ['TextColor','BGColor'], ['FitWindow','ShowBlocks','-','About'] // No comma for the last row. ] ; Then when you put your FCKEditor instance in your form on the CFM page, you put something like this: cfscript fckeditor = application.beanfactory.getbean(FCKEditor); fckEditor.instanceName = story; fckEditor.value = '#Content.getStory()#'; fckEditor.basePath = /forms/fckeditor/; fckEditor.Config[CustomConfigurationsPath] = /forms/FCKEditorConfig_CMS.js ; fckEditor.toolbarset= Simple; fckEditor.width = 90%; fckEditor.height= 400; fckEditor.create(); // create the editor. /cfscript The important line is the one says fckEditor.Config[CustomConfigurationsPath] = You can read more about this at http://docs.cksource.com/CKEditor_3.x/Developers_Guide/Setting_Configurations although i notice that is now about the payware CKEditor not the Free FCKEditor. I'm not sure if the documentation for the older FCKEditor is still on line anywhere. I hope this helps. Let me know if you are still unsure how to do it and I'll see what else i can do for you. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Kim Hoopingarner k.hoopingar...@e-details.com wrote: I have a client that needs to have a specific toolbar for the editor - but doesn't want to make the change in the config file. Do you know any tricks out there to accomplish this? H ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329913 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: [A] there is almost no new development going on in ColdFusionIn the last 12 months there has been just a handful of coldfusion jobs advertised. And most of those have been advertised by time-wasters who didnt end up appointing anyone. I'm sorry Mike, they've put that project on hold for now ... yada yada yada (or so they said maybe they were just too gutless to tell me i didnt get the assignment) In the last 12 months i have had NOT ONE assignment as a result of any advertisements for CF developers. If I hadnt dug up business on my own I'd have starved. Contrast this with a few years ago when freelancers like me had jobs lined up one behind the other. Maybe its just me, maybe everyone else has lots of jobs lined up. But somehow i doubt it. -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month I'm not trying to knock your original post here about new ColdFusion development I believe you... Maybe I just don't understand what you are looking for. Mom and Pop shops still need websites (the language used doesn't matter), they may be smaller jobs ranging between $1,000 and $5,000 but people still need websites! The 5 to 10 page websites can still pay the bills, change your marketing strategy :-) ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329914 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
Anyway, these are the reasons i think the trends tell me ColdFusion is either a dead duck of soon to be a dead duck at least in Sydney anyway. I dont know about other When it comes to usergroups and conferences, and even the kinds of companies that use ColdFusion, it has a lot to do with the culture around it. PHP, Perl, Python, Lisp, C, Ruby, ASP.Net, Groovy, and most other languages are free to use and deploy for whatever you want. ColdFusion is not (yes, we have Railo but it hasn't gained a lot of traction yet). This one fact alone causes a lot of new developers to choose other technology over ColdFusion. ColdFusion was originally made for Windows, a commercial product which requires licenses. It wasn't born of the open source culture like many languages were. Many developers see ColdFusion as a language that is used within companies who feel like they need to pay for licensing and support. Those companies aren't sexy and the more social developers aren't generally drawn to them. ColdFusion is associated with a closed-source culture and set of ideas. This is obvious when you look at any large-scale off-the-shelf CF app (shopping carts, forums, CMS systems and the like). Other languages are open and you can do whatever you want with them and there are healthy communities with lots of free and open source applications you can deploy. With ColdFusion you have to be concerned about which license you have, how many you have, and where you deploy it. Just yesterday Adobe had an e-seminar about using ColdFusion in the Cloud and they spent the first 20 minutes talking about licensing and what was and wasn't a cloud and how you should have your legal team get in touch with Adobe's legal team if you had concerns. That's not sexy to developers. It turns them off and they run over to Ruby where they can just do what they need to do without worrying about whether they have the right number of CPU licenses or what their costs are going to look like if they need to scale to a dozen servers. If anything is going to kill ColdFusion, THAT, in my opinion is what will do it in. I'm not saying it's evil to charge for software or that Adobe is doing something wrong, far from it, but for a new developer it's like a choice between an iPhone (and now Android) or a Blackberry. iPhones are sexy with lots of free apps. Blackberry is for corporate snobs who are addicted to checking their e-mail. As a developer, you have to decide which culture do you want to be a part of. If you want the large usergroups with new developers fawning over the technology, ColdFusion is probably not right for you. If you want stability and a chance to work in larger companies with a corporate culture, or a government organization with lots of structure and rules then you'll have better chances. That is primarily where ColdFusion lives. Of course anyone can pull out examples of cool companies that use ColdFusion (I'd like to think I work for one, but we could use any language and be just as successful), or of large companies that don't, but the fact remains that the culture around the ColdFusion platform is inherently different from platforms born of the open source movement. -Justin ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329915 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Andy Matthews li...@commadelimited.com wrote: Actually Adobe has been saying since cf.Objective 2009 (I was there in person) that their user based has grown 300% over the last 5 years. From 250k users around 2004 to over 800k users in 2008/2009. In Australia?? Really?? It just seems like that unless you're personally looking for a CF job and can't find one, why do you care if other people think CF is dead? Because that was the reason my biggest client gave for going to DotNet last year. They told me that they had decided that ColdFusion was a dead product, Adobe was doing nothing with it, developers were hard to find. They said I was a nice guy but they had too many eggs in one basket and if anything happened to me they were very exposed. Therefore they were going to DotNet where they could find 50 developers tomorrow if they wanted them and Microsoft wasn't going to ignore the server market in the forseeable future. Thats what they said. I am not saying I agree. In fact we debated back and forth quite vigorously but in the end they went DotNet and my relationship with them ended. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329916 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia
Sorry to hear that. I lost a large client a couple of years back, because the consultant they had bought in and were paying £700 a day to told them CF was built on .NET Companies are always making decisions like this. -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebwo...@gmail.com] Sent: 21 January 2010 14:46 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Andy Matthews li...@commadelimited.com wrote: Actually Adobe has been saying since cf.Objective 2009 (I was there in person) that their user based has grown 300% over the last 5 years. From 250k users around 2004 to over 800k users in 2008/2009. In Australia?? Really?? It just seems like that unless you're personally looking for a CF job and can't find one, why do you care if other people think CF is dead? Because that was the reason my biggest client gave for going to DotNet last year. They told me that they had decided that ColdFusion was a dead product, Adobe was doing nothing with it, developers were hard to find. They said I was a nice guy but they had too many eggs in one basket and if anything happened to me they were very exposed. Therefore they were going to DotNet where they could find 50 developers tomorrow if they wanted them and Microsoft wasn't going to ignore the server market in the forseeable future. Thats what they said. I am not saying I agree. In fact we debated back and forth quite vigorously but in the end they went DotNet and my relationship with them ended. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329917 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia
Gotcha. And I'm guessing that Adobe's numbers are worldwide, and not in one geographic region. -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:46 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Andy Matthews li...@commadelimited.com wrote: Actually Adobe has been saying since cf.Objective 2009 (I was there in person) that their user based has grown 300% over the last 5 years. From 250k users around 2004 to over 800k users in 2008/2009. In Australia?? Really?? It just seems like that unless you're personally looking for a CF job and can't find one, why do you care if other people think CF is dead? Because that was the reason my biggest client gave for going to DotNet last year. They told me that they had decided that ColdFusion was a dead product, Adobe was doing nothing with it, developers were hard to find. They said I was a nice guy but they had too many eggs in one basket and if anything happened to me they were very exposed. Therefore they were going to DotNet where they could find 50 developers tomorrow if they wanted them and Microsoft wasn't going to ignore the server market in the forseeable future. Thats what they said. I am not saying I agree. In fact we debated back and forth quite vigorously but in the end they went DotNet and my relationship with them ended. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329918 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.
On 1/20/2010 4:08 PM, b...@bradwood.com wrote: I never got a clear answer from you on whether or not you are seeing memory jumps (real ones, not the petabytes that the CF server mon was showing you) or if your main problem was just CPU usage. I don't know about a Jump yet, but when we look at the task manager that main JRun instance is currently consuming over 600,000K. When it is restarted, the JRun starts up with ~50,000K I believe. The difficult part of my job is that I administer the ColdFusion server, but I am not allowed direct access to the server. So I have to ask others for information like this. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329919 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: FCKEditor config file
Thank you! Giving it a try now. I knew someone would have an answer. :) ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329920 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia
it would be interesting to see the figures by region/country 2010/1/21 Andy Matthews li...@commadelimited.com Gotcha. And I'm guessing that Adobe's numbers are worldwide, and not in one geographic region. -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:46 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Andy Matthews li...@commadelimited.com wrote: Actually Adobe has been saying since cf.Objective 2009 (I was there in person) that their user based has grown 300% over the last 5 years. From 250k users around 2004 to over 800k users in 2008/2009. In Australia?? Really?? It just seems like that unless you're personally looking for a CF job and can't find one, why do you care if other people think CF is dead? Because that was the reason my biggest client gave for going to DotNet last year. They told me that they had decided that ColdFusion was a dead product, Adobe was doing nothing with it, developers were hard to find. They said I was a nice guy but they had too many eggs in one basket and if anything happened to me they were very exposed. Therefore they were going to DotNet where they could find 50 developers tomorrow if they wanted them and Microsoft wasn't going to ignore the server market in the forseeable future. Thats what they said. I am not saying I agree. In fact we debated back and forth quite vigorously but in the end they went DotNet and my relationship with them ended. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329921 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: FCKEditor config file
I get this error:Element BEANFACTORY is undefined in a Java object of type class. I'm sure this is something simple to fix? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329922 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: FCKEditor config file
OH yea sorry. In that site, I instantiate all CFCs with a gizmo called a bean factory.I should have changed it to the more regular syntax you use to instantiate cfcs: fckeditor = createobject(component,forms.fckeditor.fckeditor); This assumes that you have a file called fckeditor.cfc sitting in the folder root/forms/fckeditor If you dont have the cfc version of FCKEditor let me know and I'll have to send it to you. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 2:12 AM, Kim Hoopingarner k.hoopingar...@e-details.com wrote: I get this error:Element BEANFACTORY is undefined in a Java object of type class. I'm sure this is something simple to fix? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329923 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: FCKEditor config file
I got it to work by doing this. :) YE! Thank you for getting me on the right track! cfscript fckEditor = createObject( component, /CFIDE/scripts/ajax/FCKEditor/fckeditor ); fckEditor.Config[CustomConfigurationsPath] = #session.root#/js/FCKEditor_configCMS.js; fckEditor.instanceName = introText; fckEditor.value = ; fckEditor.basePath = /CFIDE/scripts/ajax/FCKEditor/; fckEditor.width = 460; fckEditor.height= 245; fckEditor.ToolbarSet= CMS; fckEditor.create(); // create the editor. /cfscript ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329924 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
I think the availability of CF jobs depends a lot on how far you are willing to move and where you live. I lost my job at the end of October last year and I have not been seeing listed CF jobs around West Palm Beach, FL. I see plenty of job openings in the Northern Virginia area and jobs scattered around the country for those willing to relocate. I'm still looking for CF employment but I've started teaching myself .NET because there are a lot of .NET jobs available around where I live. I was speaking with a recruiter and she was telling me that she found it interesting how the job opportunities for different languages seemed to center around different geographical locations. She told me there were a lot of Java jobs in Dade County, FL (i.e. Miami) but they disappeared going north across the county line and then the demand started for .NET developers and some PHP (but not anywhere near the demand for .NET) ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329925 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: FCKEditor config file
OK - stumped again. I need to move a value into the editor when a button is clicked. I retrieve that value from the database - and then set the editor equal. But it keeps returning blank - and I know a value is being returned from the cfinvoke. cfinvoke component=#session.cfc#.msr_multisigs_intros method=getIntro returnvariable=qGetIntro cfinvokeargument name=introID value=#form.editIntro# / /cfinvoke I've tried this... form.introText = qGetIntro.introText Another easy answer? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329926 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
Cold Fusion certainly has its threats, with .Net, PHP, Python etc alternatives out there. Originally CF had the game to itself and it was an original concept that helped ignite enthusiasm and help to turn the web into what it is today. Wait Bryn, you mean the days when CGI people were swearing that coldfusion weren't going anywhere, Flash was just a gleam in Future Splash's pants, And I.E. was Leno and Netscape was Conan? Lol Chung ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329927 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
All I know is what I see with my own eyes. And for daring to speak about it, I'm getting slammed as one of the ColdFusion is dead people. I can't imagine why, except that your subject line is Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs. Perhaps, since all you know is what you see with your own eyes, you'd have been better served by having a less hysterical subject. I can only hope my own last legs are as sturdy as CF's. CF has been on its last legs at least since ASP was released in the Windows NT 4 Option Pack. We're a CF reseller, and our sales are doing quite well. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsit ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329928 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Ben Shelden aboutw...@benshelden.com wrote: I was speaking with a recruiter and she was telling me that she found it interesting how the job opportunities for different languages seemed to center around different geographical locations. She told me there were a lot of Java jobs in Dade County, FL (i.e. Miami) but they disappeared going north across the county line and then the demand started for .NET developers and some PHP (but not anywhere near the demand for .NET) Interesting to hear. I think a lot of CF work has disappeared from the Bay Area (even tho' we still have three strong CFUGs) - and now companies are finding it hard to recruit good CFers here - because many CFers moved to where there were more CF jobs or learned other languages and are gainfully employed already. It definitely speaks to the need for developers to be multi-lingual if they want to avoid roaming around, following their technology to wherever its jobs are hot (although I've never had any problems getting telecommute work and the project I'm on right now only has 2 CFers on-site - everyone else, including the designer and the DBA, are remote). -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies US -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329929 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
I had an Adobe guy tell me a while back we're in the IDE and Development Tool business not the server business. I don't know why we have ColdFusion at all. That was a bit disquieting at the time, and I wonder . what if that feeling was widespread in Adobe? What if they start seeing CF as an orphan? I think this would come as a great surprise to the LiveCycle team, which is a pretty big deal in their overall corporate product strategy. And to the Connect and FMS teams as well. Adobe is a big company. It sells lots of products. Hundreds of products. Whatever one Adobe guy tells you, unless that guy is a CxO, does not reflect any sort of corporate product strategy. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329930 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
weren't going anywhere, Flash was just a gleam in Future Splash's pants, ^^ You really messed up that expression. Just thought I'd point that out. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329931 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: I know that's a 'Chicken Little kind of subject line. I hope my impressions are wrong. Might be - i have been wrong before. I remember i was wrong once when i thought i was incorrect, but i wasnt. Since the entire premise of this thread seems to be anecdotal and localized, I will pile on... 1) My company just started a new CF/Flex project for a large well known company. The group we are working with had zero previous CF applications in place. So, companies are still adopting CF for new apps. 2) I see alot of CF development gigs that are Flex with CF. Meaning it's a Flex job, and you should also know CF. Maybe you will find better gigs if you look for Flex gigs too (maybe not). But if you don't know Flex, spend some of your new-found free time learning it. -Cameron -- Cameron Childress Sumo Consulting Inc http://www.sumoc.com --- cell: 678.637.5072 aim: cameroncf email: camer...@gmail. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329932 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
structFindValue
Ok... so structFindValue returns and array with a structure in it. How do I output a value in that structure? I CFDump it and it has this in it, hopefully you understand what I mean. Array 1 Struct 1 Key - Type Owner Struct Cost - 50 Type - foo Path - .moo[1].type I want to output the value of cost that is in the structure that is in the array. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329933 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia
No Mike, you're wrong the server customer base has increased over the last year by xx% The last time I looked at Adobe's overall sales figures, CF sales were up. Their overall sales figures are available in their public statements. No Mike, we presented at a .Net conference in Sydney last July, and at a .php conference in Melbourne in August ... etc How many .NET conferences are there? If they're fully run by MS, what makes you think they'd be let in the door? Just for kicks, I searched for PHP conferences in Sydney and Melbourne, and found none. I did find an open-source conference in Melbourne which had PHP topics, but I don't think CF would be an appropriate topic at an open-source conference, since, you know, it's closed-source. Nothing from Adobe. I might be wrong - I hope I am, but Adobe didnt know much about what to do with a server product when they bought Macromedia, That's funny, because the last time I remember seeing a sentence very similar, except it had Macromedia where you have Adobe, and Allaire where you have Macromedia. I got the feeling that Adobe people think it's something they got stuck with when they bought Macromedia for what they REALLY wanted - Flash and Dreamweaver. Again, Adobe people != Adobe. Certainly in Australia i have yet to hear of anyone at Adobe who is annoyed because I am painting them in a bad light that's undeserved. I for one am grateful that Adobe people don't spend all day responding to this sort of thing. Either prove me wrong someone, or stop bashing me for being critical and for gods sake lets poke someone in the ribs who's in a position to DO SOMETHING about it! You know who's in a position to DO SOMETHING? It's you, not Adobe. You're not satisfied with how Adobe markets their product? Market your services with that product! You're not satisfied with their presence in user groups and conferences? Get in those user groups and conferences yourself! It's developers, not salesmen, who are ultimately responsible for the success or failure of a programming product. Nobody had heard of CF when Steve Drucker and I started the very first CF user group, in Washington DC, in 1993 if I recall correctly. We ran monthly meetings, demoed neat applications, and our attendance started with a handful of people, and grew to hundreds. Now, CF is a very strong presence within the DC metro market, and probably the best place in the world for CF jobs. We did our best to popularize the product. Allaire, Macromedia, Adobe - whoever owns the product - can't do that sort of thing. It takes developers. Or, as Steve Ballmer once put it, Developers, developers, DEVELOPERS! Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or o ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329934 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: PGP and CF
That sounds about right, but since i am a newbie to all this CF and PGP, how do you do that? By reading the documentation: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/ColdFusion/9.0/Installing/WSf01dbd23413dda0e-2c56ae6b11fae6200fe-8000.html Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329935 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CFFeed read problem for http://data.gov.uk/rss.xml . Just me?
Just trying to run the following: cffeed source = http://data.gov.uk/rss.xml; properties = myProps query = myQuery Errors every time from CF8 with one of 2 errors (usually 1, but sometimes 2), either: 1. String index out of range: -1 2. Unable to parse the feed: Either source specified is invalid or feed is malformed. Error: Invalid XML: Error on line 1: Content is not allowed in prolog. From CF9 developer's version it usually works fine but does occasionally error with one of the two errors above. I can browse to it fine. What's wrong with my CF8? Probably nothing. HTTP requests error out all the time. You should ALWAYS have a heightened expectation of failure when you're making HTTP requests, and write exception handlers accordingly. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, o ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329936 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
re: structFindValue
I think you just want #myVar[1].Owner.Cost# ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329937 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Bryn Parrott bryn_parr...@internode.on.net wrote: I've observed the same thing over a period of 10 years or so. The Cold Fusion market is mature, there are fewer newbies out there asking dumb questions. That would seem to mesh with the results for CFUnited State of the CF Union survey: 80% of respondents have 6+ years of CFML experience (half of those claim 10+ years). It would help if Adobe were to make an investment in Cold Fusion I'd say with the push into education (free licenses, free public curriculum) and the huge advances in CF9, Adobe is making a pretty big investment in ColdFusion. They sponsor CF-focused conferences all over the place and they're very aggressively marketing to draw in new-to-CF developers. They might not be investing every penny where you want, but it's a little unfair to imply they aren't investing... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies US -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwoo ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329938 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
I'm considering moving back to Northern Virginia if the right opportunity presents itself. CF in the Raleigh/Durham area is almost non existent (job wise) I was laid off two weeks ago because my employer pushed everything to either Sharepoint or a new accounting system. What's unfortunate is that I wasn't given the opportunity to plead my case, because I believe that they'll wind up spending more on Epicor and Sharepoint then what they were paying me per year. I believe that we as developers need to push and promote ColdFusion, and the open source versions (Railo, Open BD). I'm forever hearing .Net and PHP developers saying our stuff is free and ColdFusion isn't. You can expound on the death of CF or you can get out there and promote. -Original Message- From: Ben Shelden [mailto:aboutw...@benshelden.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:31 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs I think the availability of CF jobs depends a lot on how far you are willing to move and where you live. I lost my job at the end of October last year and I have not been seeing listed CF jobs around West Palm Beach, FL. I see plenty of job openings in the Northern Virginia area and jobs scattered around the country for those willing to relocate. I'm still looking for CF employment but I've started teaching myself .NET because there are a lot of .NET jobs available around where I live. I was speaking with a recruiter and she was telling me that she found it interesting how the job opportunities for different languages seemed to center around different geographical locations. She told me there were a lot of Java jobs in Dade County, FL (i.e. Miami) but they disappeared going north across the county line and then the demand started for .NET developers and some PHP (but not anywhere near the demand for .NET) ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329939 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
Well then maybe the Australian market in completely unique in the entire world and has different problems that the rest of the world does not? On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:42 AM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: If anyone wishes to reflect that we are in a recession then please Explain how the jobs for ColdFusion began declining in 1999, and have continued to drop for ColdFusion? Again let me say this, the Australian IT industry is thriving, just not the ColdFusion side of it. If there are no developers to replace, then the companies have no choice but to look at moving to another technology where developers and resources can be replaced, this hasn't changed in the last 10 years either. It really sickens me that the excuse of a recession is used, are you saying that we have been in a recession for the last 10 years Sean? I don't thinks so. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329940 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
You're wrong ;-) 1) The economy tanked and ALL development work slowed. CF has always taken the harder hit as it is the less used technology 2) Adobe/Macromedia/Allaire and Marketing Yeahthey have all sucked equally at promoting CF...no news there. It's always driven me crazy, but I'm used to the lack of effortI still love CF. 3) You had better look into CF alternatives like OpenBD and Railiogood things are happening Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com web: www.electricedgesystems.com Notice: This message, including any attachments, is confidential and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed unless expressly authorized otherwise by the sender. If you are not an authorized recipient, please notify the sender immediately and permanently destroy all copies of this message and attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329941 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Consume Web Service In Coldfusion Error
Hi Matt, The problem is the WSDL, they are using Axis2 to generate it, which generates SOAP 1.1 and 1.2 bindings in the WSDL file. CF uses Axis1, which has trouble with SOAP1.2 in wsdl. You could probably get it to work by saving the WSDL file locally and modifying it. -- Pete Freitag http://foundeo.com/ - ColdFusion Consulting Products http://petefreitag.com/ - My Blog http://hackmycf.com - Is your ColdFusion Server Secure? On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Matt G m...@f9group.com wrote: I'm having a problem using cfinvoke or adding this web service url in the coldfusion admin. cfinvoke returnvariable=returndata webservice= http://www.fortedata.com:8080/axis2/services/FdsWebService?wsdl; refreshwsdl=yes method=PostLead I get the error for cfinvoke Cannot generate stub objects for web service invocation. Name: http://www.fortedata.com:8080/axis2/services/FdsWebService?wsdl. WSDL: http://www.fortedata.com:8080/axis2/services/FdsWebService?wsdl. java.io.IOException: ERROR: Missing element inFault SQLException in operation SQLException, in binding GetRates It is recommended that you use a web browser to retrieve and examine the requested WSDL document to ensure it is correct. If the requested WSDL document cannot be retrieved or is dynamically generated, it is likely that the target web service has programming errors. and in the administrator Error creating web service. Please ensure that you have entered a correct Web Service name or URL. The url is http://www.fortedata.com:8080/axis2/services/FdsWebService?wsdl page loads fine in a browser... I do see an issue being brought up here in the wsdl, but I have no idea why...this isnt my wsdl btw.. wsdl:operation name=GetRates wsdl:input message=ns:GetRatesRequest wsaw:Action=urn:GetRates/ wsdl:output message=ns:GetRatesResponse wsaw:Action=urn:GetRatesResponse/ wsdl:fault message=ns:SQLException name=SQLException wsaw:Action=urn:GetRatesSQLException/ /wsdl:operation line 3 any ideas? Thanks for any help... ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329942 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia
I was going to stay away from this thread at all costsbut I read this: Nothing from Adobe. I might be wrong - I hope I am, but Adobe didnt know much about what to do with a server product when they bought Macromedia, That's funny, because the last time I remember seeing a sentence very similar, except it had Macromedia where you have Adobe, and Allaire where you have Macromedia. I wrote about this deep in the first post on my blog. It wasn't UNTIL Adobe took over ColdFusion that I felt really good about ColdFusions future. This is what I wrote. *snip* from May of 2008 ...Then came the Macromedia years. I risk offending a few people here, but I really didn't like Macromedia. I felt they didn't know what to do with ColdFusion. I kept coding in CFML, but I dropped out of the ColdFusion Development Community. I had no desire to help Macromedia out in any way. When Adobe bought up Macromedia I was worried at first, but within a week I realized it was a good thing. Adobe has long been the world leader in print media. They had been trying to break into the world of online media and had few successes. They did have PDF, but not much else. I knew right away that Adobe was going to use ColdFusion to become the world leader in online media. With the release of ColdFusion 8 we saw that is exactly what Adobe intends to do. This new direction for ColdFusion has left me feeling better and thus I have decided to slowly become more involved in the ColdFusion community. */snip* (full post at http://www.trunkful.com/page.cfm/About if you're really interested. ) And I have to say I still feel this way and even more so now that ColdFusion 9 is here. I believe ColdFusion is here to stay and grow no mater how much FUD certain people try to (and seem to enjoy) spreading. /soapbox Wil Genovese One man with courage makes a majority. -Andrew Jackson A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329943 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: I had an Adobe guy tell me a while back we're in the IDE and Development Tool business not the server business. I dont know why we have ColdFusion at all. That was a bit disquieting at the time, and I wonder . what if that feeling was widespread in Adobe? Adobe has had a ton of server side technology for years before it acquired Macromedia so I'd say the guy was just not well-informed about his own company and their products. Several of its desktop products rely on server components. ColdFusion joined a number of existing - and often much more expensive - server technologies at Adobe. If anyone wants to point at a company in ColdFusion's history that didn't understand server side stuff, that would be Macromedia who tried and failed with several server products. Luckily ColdFusion survived and has been doing much better since Adobe took over. -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies US -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret At ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329944 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
Too bad you couldn't convince them to migrate to ColdFusion 9 which has built in Sharepoint integration out of the box. abdy -Original Message- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:sstwebwo...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:03 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs I'm considering moving back to Northern Virginia if the right opportunity presents itself. CF in the Raleigh/Durham area is almost non existent (job wise) I was laid off two weeks ago because my employer pushed everything to either Sharepoint or a new accounting system. What's unfortunate is that I wasn't given the opportunity to plead my case, because I believe that they'll wind up spending more on Epicor and Sharepoint then what they were paying me per year. I believe that we as developers need to push and promote ColdFusion, and the open source versions (Railo, Open BD). I'm forever hearing .Net and PHP developers saying our stuff is free and ColdFusion isn't. You can expound on the death of CF or you can get out there and promote. -Original Message- From: Ben Shelden [mailto:aboutw...@benshelden.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:31 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs I think the availability of CF jobs depends a lot on how far you are willing to move and where you live. I lost my job at the end of October last year and I have not been seeing listed CF jobs around West Palm Beach, FL. I see plenty of job openings in the Northern Virginia area and jobs scattered around the country for those willing to relocate. I'm still looking for CF employment but I've started teaching myself .NET because there are a lot of .NET jobs available around where I live. I was speaking with a recruiter and she was telling me that she found it interesting how the job opportunities for different languages seemed to center around different geographical locations. She told me there were a lot of Java jobs in Dade County, FL (i.e. Miami) but they disappeared going north across the county line and then the demand started for .NET developers and some PHP (but not anywhere near the demand for .NET) ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329945 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
Sorry Dave. Blame it on no caffeine on the account of just waking up to this discussion. Lol weren't going anywhere, Flash was just a gleam in Future Splash's pants, ^^ You really messed up that expression. Just thought I'd point that out. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329946 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
We had CF9 dev servers, I knew about Sharepoint integration, the new executive staff were sold on Sharepoint from previous gigs. I had lined up all kinds of solutions to the company's requirements built in CF. I just hadn't had the chance to deploy them. I have *never* seen an effective deployment of Sharepoint. -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:li...@commadelimited.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:10 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs Too bad you couldn't convince them to migrate to ColdFusion 9 which has built in Sharepoint integration out of the box. abdy -Original Message- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:sstwebwo...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:03 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs I'm considering moving back to Northern Virginia if the right opportunity presents itself. CF in the Raleigh/Durham area is almost non existent (job wise) I was laid off two weeks ago because my employer pushed everything to either Sharepoint or a new accounting system. What's unfortunate is that I wasn't given the opportunity to plead my case, because I believe that they'll wind up spending more on Epicor and Sharepoint then what they were paying me per year. I believe that we as developers need to push and promote ColdFusion, and the open source versions (Railo, Open BD). I'm forever hearing .Net and PHP developers saying our stuff is free and ColdFusion isn't. You can expound on the death of CF or you can get out there and promote. -Original Message- From: Ben Shelden [mailto:aboutw...@benshelden.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:31 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs I think the availability of CF jobs depends a lot on how far you are willing to move and where you live. I lost my job at the end of October last year and I have not been seeing listed CF jobs around West Palm Beach, FL. I see plenty of job openings in the Northern Virginia area and jobs scattered around the country for those willing to relocate. I'm still looking for CF employment but I've started teaching myself .NET because there are a lot of .NET jobs available around where I live. I was speaking with a recruiter and she was telling me that she found it interesting how the job opportunities for different languages seemed to center around different geographical locations. She told me there were a lot of Java jobs in Dade County, FL (i.e. Miami) but they disappeared going north across the county line and then the demand started for .NET developers and some PHP (but not anywhere near the demand for .NET) ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329947 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:38 AM, Justin Scott jscott-li...@gravityfree.com wrote: When it comes to usergroups and conferences, and even the kinds of companies that use ColdFusion, it has a lot to do with the culture around it. PHP, Perl, Python, Lisp, C, Ruby, ASP.Net, Groovy, and most other languages are free to use and deploy for whatever you want. ASP.Net is only perceived to be free. It isn't really free - you have to pay for Windows server licenses to get it (and if you use SQL Server you're paying again there). When you talk about free in the context of those other languages, part of it is the open source culture and that means Linux instead of Windows and MySQL or PostgreSQL instead of SQL Server. Just a nit-pick. I agree with your cultural observation overall. ColdFusion is not (yes, we have Railo but it hasn't gained a lot of traction yet). Nearly 25% of respondents in CFUnited's survey are using Railo: http://survey.constantcontact.com/survey/a07e2olvoj6g4ek9zt3/results You can argue that survey isn't representative of the overall CFML market but I think Railo has more traction than you might think. You're absolutely spot on with your next paragraph tho': This one fact alone causes a lot of new developers to choose other technology over ColdFusion. ColdFusion was originally made for Windows, a commercial product which requires licenses. It wasn't born of the open source culture like many languages were. Many developers see ColdFusion as a language that is used within companies who feel like they need to pay for licensing and support. Those companies aren't sexy and the more social developers aren't generally drawn to them. ColdFusion is associated with a closed-source culture and set of ideas. This is obvious when you look at any large-scale off-the-shelf CF app (shopping carts, forums, CMS systems and the like). Other languages are open and you can do whatever you want with them and there are healthy communities with lots of free and open source applications you can deploy. With ColdFusion you have to be concerned about which license you have, how many you have, and where you deploy it. Just yesterday Adobe had an e-seminar about using ColdFusion in the Cloud and they spent the first 20 minutes talking about licensing and what was and wasn't a cloud and how you should have your legal team get in touch with Adobe's legal team if you had concerns. That's not sexy to developers. It turns them off and they run over to Ruby where they can just do what they need to do without worrying about whether they have the right number of CPU licenses or what their costs are going to look like if they need to scale to a dozen servers. For large corporate's ColdFusion is a relatively easy sell - heck, Enterprise went up $1,500 to make it easier to sell in that market (it was perceived as too cheap before). After I left Adobe in 2007, I co-founded a startup and we spent months doing the whole VC tour / begathon. It was pretty soul-destroying :) Several VCs questioned our use of ColdFusion because of the licensing costs and I found myself having to justify how we could scale profitably using a commercial product instead of one of the other free, open source languages. I was a bit surprised the VCs cared about the technology but there you go... -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies US -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Marg ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329948 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: You know who's in a position to DO SOMETHING? It's you, not Adobe. You're not satisfied with how Adobe markets their product? Market your services with that product! You're not satisfied with their presence in user groups and conferences? Get in those user groups and conferences yourself! It's developers, not salesmen, who are ultimately responsible for the success or failure of a programming product. This is why I get frustrated with some CFers who bemoan the lack of corporate marketing: all of the competing technologies have no corporate marketing - it's all about developer community. Except .NET of course - but .NET is only one of the successful, hot techs out there that certain CFers claim are eating CF's business. You could also argue Sun promotes Java (along with a few other big corporates). The point is that PHP, Ruby/Rails, etc - all the 'hot' techs that are free and open source - those are promoted by their communities. Allaire, Macromedia, Adobe - whoever owns the product - can't do that sort of thing. It takes developers. Or, as Steve Ballmer once put it, Developers, developers, DEVELOPERS! Amen! -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies US -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329949 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
Scott Stewart sstwebwo...@bellsouth.net wrote: I have *never* seen an effective deployment of Sharepoint. You know, I have heard this many times, but it seems implausible. Why would CxOs continue to buy a product that takes so much work by so many expensive consultants to get it running? My feeling is that Microsoft has done a very good job of marketing to corporate decision makers. I do have knowledge of a number of SP projects that have been canceled after a while, but I don't know if it was due to the technology or whether the project managers or designers were incompetent. -- http://www.linkedin.com/pub/roger-austin/8/a4/60 http://twitter.com/RogerTheGeek http://www.misshunt.com/ Home of the Clean/Dirty Magnet http://cfinnc.com/ ColdFusion Conference in North Carolina ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329950 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
You guys looking for any remote developers Andy? I am in Chicago... Eric -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:li...@commadelimited.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:18 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs Could it be perhaps that you're not looking in the right locations for these jobs? I'd guess that a portion of it is that CF developers aren't moving positions, which means that the positions that ARE out there are currently filled. While that could also mean that there's no growth in CF, it most likely means that the economy is bad and no one is hiring period. On the other hand my company in Nashville TN has hired 2 CF developers in the last 3 months and is looking to hire 2 more. Take from that what you will. Andy Matthews Dealerskins -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:18 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs Interesting, John. Actually of those 32 jobs om Australia, 4 are in Sydney, the biggest city in the country, One is for a .NET developer and exposure to Coldfusion would be an advantage, Another is for a FLASH developer with some exposure to Coldfusion. So those two arent really coldfusion jobs. So that leaves 2 jobs in a city of 4.5million people. One of those isnt really a coldfusion job - its coldfusion related - they're looking for a front-end developer in a web agency that uses coldfusion for their dynamic pages. let's say its half a coldfusion job. That means there are 1.5 coldfusion jobs according to Indeed.com.au. It's a paradox, but I think Andrew's right - the ColdFusion sites are steadily changing to other technologies - .Net or php mostly or java for the larger ones. At least that's my perception. Last year i had my 3 biggest clients tell me they weren't doing any more development in Coldfusion - they were switching to .NET in two cases, and Java in the other case. I'm not trying to whine and say Adobe should solve all my problems. But it is a worrying trend, and I'd like to know what (if anything) is being done to reverse it. Right now, it seems no one really is putting too much effort into creating new ColdFusion sites, at least here in Sydney. From what I see anyway. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:53 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: Surely most of the people who read Mike's original message do not live in Australia and do not have first-hand knowledge of the state of CF there. However, Mike's subject was not Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia and several of his points seemed to be non-Australia-specific. http://www.indeed.com.au/jobs?q=coldfusion+or+cold+fusion; ...returns 32 jobs: 1 CF job for every 691,348 Australians. http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=coldfusion+OR+cold+fusion; ...returns 2,644 jobs: 1 CF job for every 116,688 Americans. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329951 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.
On 1/20/2010 3:15 PM, Dominic Watson wrote:
Something else to look at is jConsole. It comes with the Java SDK and will
let you look at any java app's memory, thread and cpu usage in detail
(you'll need to change jrun's JVM args to have it report those stats).
So if I am understanding your comment and the documentation I just need
to add this argument to the VM Arguments line in the jvm.config file in
our E:\JRun4\bin folder.
Are there in considerations to this because we are running ColdFusion in
a multi-home configuration? Is putting this argument in that one
configuration file going to effect all the JRun instances? Once each
one is restarted of course. We are using a default multi-home
configuration, we have taken no steps to have different ColdFusion|JRun
instances using separate configuration files of which I am aware.
For reference here is the arguments from out development server which
should be the same on our production server
# Arguments to VM
java.args=-server -Xmx512m -Dsun.io.useCanonCaches=false
-XX:MaxPermSize=192m
-XX:+UseParallelGC -Dcoldfusion.rootDir={application.home}/
Are there any concerns or performance problems having this argument
configured on a production server?
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RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
We have hired one remote developer, Russ johnson. We'd prefer to have in house guys as it makes collab so much easier, but it never hurts to put in your resume. dev...@dealerskins.com or you can send it to me and I'll forward it on. andy -Original Message- From: Eric Roberts [mailto:ow...@threeravensconsulting.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:46 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs You guys looking for any remote developers Andy? I am in Chicago... Eric -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:li...@commadelimited.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:18 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs Could it be perhaps that you're not looking in the right locations for these jobs? I'd guess that a portion of it is that CF developers aren't moving positions, which means that the positions that ARE out there are currently filled. While that could also mean that there's no growth in CF, it most likely means that the economy is bad and no one is hiring period. On the other hand my company in Nashville TN has hired 2 CF developers in the last 3 months and is looking to hire 2 more. Take from that what you will. Andy Matthews Dealerskins -Original Message- From: Mike Kear [mailto:afpwebwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:18 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs Interesting, John. Actually of those 32 jobs om Australia, 4 are in Sydney, the biggest city in the country, One is for a .NET developer and exposure to Coldfusion would be an advantage, Another is for a FLASH developer with some exposure to Coldfusion. So those two arent really coldfusion jobs. So that leaves 2 jobs in a city of 4.5million people. One of those isnt really a coldfusion job - its coldfusion related - they're looking for a front-end developer in a web agency that uses coldfusion for their dynamic pages. let's say its half a coldfusion job. That means there are 1.5 coldfusion jobs according to Indeed.com.au. It's a paradox, but I think Andrew's right - the ColdFusion sites are steadily changing to other technologies - .Net or php mostly or java for the larger ones. At least that's my perception. Last year i had my 3 biggest clients tell me they weren't doing any more development in Coldfusion - they were switching to .NET in two cases, and Java in the other case. I'm not trying to whine and say Adobe should solve all my problems. But it is a worrying trend, and I'd like to know what (if anything) is being done to reverse it. Right now, it seems no one really is putting too much effort into creating new ColdFusion sites, at least here in Sydney. From what I see anyway. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:53 PM, John M Bliss bliss.j...@gmail.com wrote: Surely most of the people who read Mike's original message do not live in Australia and do not have first-hand knowledge of the state of CF there. However, Mike's subject was not Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia and several of his points seemed to be non-Australia-specific. http://www.indeed.com.au/jobs?q=coldfusion+or+cold+fusion; ...returns 32 jobs: 1 CF job for every 691,348 Australians. http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=coldfusion+OR+cold+fusion; ...returns 2,644 jobs: 1 CF job for every 116,688 Americans. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329953 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: structFindValue
Thanks Jason! That worked. I would putting the [] in the wrong place. -Original Message- From: Jason Fisher [mailto:ja...@wanax.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:52 PM To: cf-talk Subject: re: structFindValue I think you just want #myVar[1].Owner.Cost# ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329954 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
Why is it that everyone is afraid to speak the truth? No worries, I'll do the dirty work. Adobe, watching helplessly (so some thought) as Australia scoffs at the world as it suffers through a major recession, are hell bent upon bringing full-on recession to Australia. Their strategy appears to be working, one CF developer at a time. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329955 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.
Are there in considerations to this because we are running ColdFusion in a multi-home configuration? Is putting this argument in that one configuration file going to effect all the JRun instances? Once each one is restarted of course. We are using a default multi-home configuration, we have taken no steps to have different ColdFusion|JRun instances using separate configuration files of which I am aware. Yes, changing jvm.config will affect all instances by default. I recommend that you configure the specific instance in question to use a different jvm.config, which is very easy to do, and then just change that jvm.config. http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/182/tn_18206.html Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsi ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329956 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: cfpdf / merge (CF8.0.1)
Nah, I was hoping for a check at the insert stage. I guess something like: cfif SizeOfData(PdfData) GT CFAdmin.Datasources['PdfStorage'].MaxBlobSize [throw error] cfelse [insert data] /cfif A long-winded alternative would be, after the insert, to do a select, write file, then IsPDF on that, but that seems a bit of an ugly way of doing it. But that's a fair bit more effort compared to checking numbers. Maybe a better solution would be a check onApplicationStart that looked at all the datasources and made sure they had suitable settings - again, that would need to use cfadmin api stuff - can't remember if that is in CF8 or only CF9? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329957 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: FCKEditor config file
In that case you need to set the value of fckEditor.value = #resultOfButtonClick#; to the result you want in the editor. That has to happen before you create the editor which is the last step at fckEditor.create(); Does that make sense? Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 2:47 AM, Kim Hoopingarner k.hoopingar...@e-details.com wrote: OK - stumped again. I need to move a value into the editor when a button is clicked. I retrieve that value from the database - and then set the editor equal. But it keeps returning blank - and I know a value is being returned from the cfinvoke. cfinvoke component=#session.cfc#.msr_multisigs_intros method=getIntro returnvariable=qGetIntro cfinvokeargument name=introID value=#form.editIntro# / /cfinvoke I've tried this... form.introText = qGetIntro.introText Another easy answer ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329958 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.
On 1/21/2010 11:24 AM, Dave Watts wrote: Yes, changing jvm.config will affect all instances by default. I recommend that you configure the specific instance in question to use a different jvm.config, which is very easy to do, and then just change that jvm.config. http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/182/tn_18206.html Well, that is probably the better solution, but for my first experiment, I just planned to restart one instance, so I presume only that instance would get the new settings. At least until such a time as the whole server was restarted or something. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329959 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.
On 1/21/2010 11:00 AM, Ian Skinner wrote: So if I am understanding your comment and the documentation I just need to add this argument to the VM Arguments line in the jvm.config file in our E:\JRun4\bin folder. Well, I tried to add the JConsole hook to the JVM and I got the following error. java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/sun/management/jmxremote/port=13013 I presume that is telling me that this class is not available in the JRun flavor of Java that we are running. What are my options here? Is there an easier way to get to this thread information? If not I presume I need to download and install a Sun Java SDK to get access to the require class. Does the ColdFusion instance need to be running on the Sun SDK, or just the SDK just need to be on the box? I'm am finding it very frustrating to try and get some information about what is suddenly causing this server to spin the CPU so hard. P.S. I may not have communicated yet, that I tried the information found in TechNote 18339 Debugging Thread Dumps and Server Problems in ColdFusion MX 6.1 and 7.0. http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/183/tn_18339.html. Unfortunatly, when we followed the instructions to configure the Windows service to Allow service to interact with Desktop, we saw that this only exists if the service runs as a LocalSystem user. We don't run our ColdFusion instance as a LocalSystem user, we have it configured to run under a domain account we have created so that our ColdFusion code and access other network resources outside the local system. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329960 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.
Well, that is probably the better solution, but for my first experiment, I just planned to restart one instance, so I presume only that instance would get the new settings. At least until such a time as the whole server was restarted or something. Yes, that's correct. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329961 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: cfpdf / merge (CF8.0.1)
Nah, I was hoping for a check at the insert stage. Oh, now I see what you mean. A long-winded alternative would be, after the insert, to do a select, write file, then IsPDF on that, but that seems a bit of an ugly way of doing it. I agree a numeric comparison is simpler. But I do not know that you need to generate a physical file just to test. IIRC one of the functions accepts a variable. So you could test it on the way in. api stuff - can't remember if that is in CF8 or only CF9? I am pretty sure it was in CF8. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329962 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: structFindValue
How do I output a value in that structure? The same as usual, just a little more convoluted ;) #theArray[indexOfTheElementYouWant].owner.cost# ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329963 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:24 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: I had an Adobe guy tell me a while back we're in the IDE and Development Tool business not the server business. I don't know why we have ColdFusion at all. That was a bit disquieting at the time, and I wonder . what if that feeling was widespread in Adobe? What if they start seeing CF as an orphan? I think this would come as a great surprise to the LiveCycle team, which is a pretty big deal in their overall corporate product strategy. And to the Connect and FMS teams as well. Adobe is a big company. It sells lots of products. Hundreds of products. Whatever one Adobe guy tells you, unless that guy is a CxO, does not reflect any sort of corporate product strategy. Dave, I have spent enough time in the sales operations of corporations to know that it doesn't matter a damn what the board of directors says - if the general sales team in a company has a widespread view that the product sucks, it doesn't sell. Or if they dont get the right support, or if they dont know how to sell it, it doesnt sell. This is especially true if the sales people have a whole raft of products they can sell to make quota. The CEO can jump up and down and wave his/her arms all he/she likes and it ain't gonna move. So thats why i started asking myself what if this person's attitude was representative of the general attitude of the Adobe staff? And dont start talking about bloody LiveCycle. It was the Adobe LiveCycle guy at WebDU who told me that he would never allow my company to have anything to do with selling LiveCycle. I guess he took a look at me and decided I wasnt 'the right kind of person' or something. Perhaps he didnt like the colour of my shirt. Even after i had told him that I had known the product for at least 15 years and had built my career on printed and electronic forms and work flow since the 1980s. And i had known this product well since before it was bought by Moore and then Adobe. (A substantial part of the product that eventually became LiveCycle was developed by Hugh Millikin's company in Sydney) Even after he knew I had extensive experience with this kind of market, he still slammed the door in my face (very rudely too i might add ) so i walked away from the whole LiveCycle thing. I'm not going to plead and beg to be 'permitted' to be a customer. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329964 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote: Well then maybe the Australian market in completely unique in the entire world and has different problems that the rest of the world does not? Is that so strange?India has different problems that the rest of the world does not. Canada has different problems that the rest of the world does not. England has different problems that the rest of the world does not. France has different problems that the rest of the world does not. China has different problems that the rest of the world does not. Indonesia has different problems that the rest of the world does not. Hell, even the USA has different problems that the rest of the world does not. Why wouldnt Australia? Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month -- ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329965 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: And dont start talking about bloody LiveCycle. It was the Adobe LiveCycle guy at WebDU who told me that he would never allow my company to have anything to do with selling LiveCycle. Perhaps it was your attitude? :) (sorry, Mike, I couldn't resist that one personal pot shot given how much you're ranting on this thread because people don't agree with you!) -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN Railo Technologies US -- http://getrailo.com/ An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwoo ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329966 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: No Mike, you're wrong the server customer base has increased over the last year by xx% The last time I looked at Adobe's overall sales figures, CF sales were up. Their overall sales figures are available in their public statements. In Australia?Are they? Does anyone outside Adobe know? No Mike, we presented at a .Net conference in Sydney last July, and at a .php conference in Melbourne in August ... etc How many .NET conferences are there? If they're fully run by MS, what makes you think they'd be let in the door? I dont know. MS were at WebDU. I went to a presentation of theirs. Got a complete copy of SQLServer2005 from there. Why wouldn't CF try to sell to people who havent already bought the product? THATS WHAT SALES PEOPLE DO! I got the feeling that Adobe people think it's something they got stuck with when they bought Macromedia for what they REALLY wanted - Flash and Dreamweaver. Again, Adobe people != Adobe. Actually Dave, Adobe people = = Adobe. You are 100% wrong in that statement. Certainly in Australia i have yet to hear of anyone at Adobe who is annoyed because I am painting them in a bad light that's undeserved. I for one am grateful that Adobe people don't spend all day responding to this sort of thing. I'd just like to know we aren't building our businesses here in Sydney in an Adobe wilderness. Either prove me wrong someone, or stop bashing me for being critical and for gods sake lets poke someone in the ribs who's in a position to DO SOMETHING about it! You know who's in a position to DO SOMETHING? It's you, not Adobe. You're not satisfied with how Adobe markets their product? Market your services with that product! You're not satisfied with their presence in user groups and conferences? Get in those user groups and conferences yourself! It's developers, not salesmen, who are ultimately responsible for the success or failure of a programming product. Nobody had heard of CF when Steve Drucker and I started the very first CF user group, in Washington DC, in 1993 if I recall correctly. We ran monthly meetings, demoed neat applications, and our attendance started with a handful of people, and grew to hundreds. Now, CF is a very strong presence within the DC metro market, and probably the best place in the world for CF jobs. We did our best to popularize the product. Allaire, Macromedia, Adobe - whoever owns the product - can't do that sort of thing. It takes developers. Or, as Steve Ballmer once put it, Developers, developers, DEVELOPERS! Steve Ballmer. Oh yea.Actually Steve Ballmer doesnt put DEVELOPERS in front line sales positions. Those guys are called SALES people. I knew it wouldnt be long before someone told me this was all my fault. I run a tiny development business. I havent sat idly by and waited for the world to push dollars into my hand. As I said in the outset, if I hadnt gone out and hustled my own opportunities I'd have starved. I just wish I wasnt doing it all alone. If you're a Toyota dealer you dont do it alone. You get backup support from the manufacturer. If you're a Dulux Paint dealer you dont do it alone. You get backup support from the manufacturer. If you're a Microsoft reseller you dont do it alone. You get FLOODED with support from the manufacturer. If you're a McDonalds franchisee you dont do it alone. You get backup support from the manufacturer. If you're an Adobe dealer/reseller/developer in Australia you get nothing, not even brochures. You dont get any support advertising appearing in trade mags. You dont get any help developing sales strategy unless you are prepared to tell a competitor about it all, because the only thing they'll do to help is refer you to a competitor. If you want to sell LiveCycle you get told to piss off. If you need help to sell server products you get told to stop being such a crybaby and get off your ass. All of those things have happened to me personally while trying to make business for Adobe. -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/m ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329967 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia
OK, you have just officially made me laugh so hard that my side hurts. Since when does Adobe have franchise agreements? Since when do people/companies pay Adobe hundreds of thousands of dollars in fees for which Adobe agrees to market products and/or services for them? Why do so many damn people in this world want every effen thing for free? WHY?!?!?! On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: If you're a Toyota dealer you dont do it alone. You get backup support from the manufacturer. If you're a Dulux Paint dealer you dont do it alone. You get backup support from the manufacturer. If you're a Microsoft reseller you dont do it alone. You get FLOODED with support from the manufacturer. If you're a McDonalds franchisee you dont do it alone. You get backup support from the manufacturer. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329968 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Article feed for website
RSS Feed. Then they can pick the best javascript feed reader to include. Google 'javascript feed ticker' and check out how many options there are. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329969 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Zipping files in CF7?
I seem to recall there's a way to call some Java routines in ColdFusion 7 to zip or unzip files. Can anyone point me to any how to's on this? Thanks! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329970 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Zipping files in CF7?
http://zipcfc.riaforge.org/ On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Marie Taylore mt4yl...@yahoo.com wrote: I seem to recall there's a way to call some Java routines in ColdFusion 7 to zip or unzip files. Can anyone point me to any how to's on this? Thanks! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329971 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Zipping files in CF7?
whoops. looks like the download link doesn't work from riaforge. googling brings up http://www.newsight.de/2005/06/28/finished-work-on-zip-cfc/ On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Charlie Griefer charlie.grie...@gmail.com wrote: http://zipcfc.riaforge.org/ On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Marie Taylore mt4yl...@yahoo.comwrote: I seem to recall there's a way to call some Java routines in ColdFusion 7 to zip or unzip files. Can anyone point me to any how to's on this? Thanks! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329972 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia
You specifically compared Adobe's management of ColdFusion marketing and sales efforts to those of Toyota on behalf of their dealers. Toyota dealers can only become a Toyota dealer by paying massive franchise fees up front and maintaining those payments year after year, as well as adhering to a very strict set of guidelines, rules and mandates established by Toyota. You are not paying franchise fees to Adobe. You are not adhering to anything of theirs. Instead you are once again bitching publicly about Adobe's lack of effort to secure you a job and/or business. You bitch about this even though you pay them **nothing**. That, sir, proves that you absolutely _are_ in search of a free ride. I am certainly not the one being an idiot here. I might be rude or inconsiderate for having a damn good laugh at the expense of your whiny rants, but that definitely does not qualify as being idiotic. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: Matt you're being an idiot. I have deliberately AVOIDED mentioning dollars because i DIDNT want people thinking i want a free ride. I dont. I never said so and you're just being a prick by suggesting i did. Mike On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote: OK, you have just officially made me laugh so hard that my side hurts. Since when does Adobe have franchise agreements? Since when do people/companies pay Adobe hundreds of thousands of dollars in fees for which Adobe agrees to market products and/or services for them? Why do so many damn people in this world want every effen thing for free? WHY?!?!?! On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: If you're a Toyota dealer you dont do it alone. You get backup support from the manufacturer. If you're a Dulux Paint dealer you dont do it alone. You get backup support from the manufacturer. If you're a Microsoft reseller you dont do it alone. You get FLOODED with support from the manufacturer. If you're a McDonalds franchisee you dont do it alone. You get backup support from the manufacturer. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329973 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia
Speaking about them not wanting to have you do any selling of Lifecycle, Yeah.. Most likely the attitude. I wouldn't want him selling anything for my company either. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Mike Kear afpwebwo...@gmail.com wrote: Matt you're being an idiot. I have deliberately AVOIDED mentioning dollars because i DIDNT want people thinking i want a free ride. I dont. I never said so and you're just being a prick by suggesting i ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329974 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs in Australia
In Australia? Are they? Does anyone outside Adobe know? I don't know about Australia. But that's entirely irrelevant to whether CF is on its last legs. Actually Dave, Adobe people = = Adobe. You are 100% wrong in that statement. Really? So if I grab any one of the thousands of Adobe employees, they'll all have the same opinion and vision for the company that the board of directors does? If I talk to someone on, say, the Photoshop team, they won't see things a bit differently from someone else on the Acrobat team? Everyone there will have the same perspective? Steve Ballmer. Oh yea. Actually Steve Ballmer doesnt put DEVELOPERS in front line sales positions. Those guys are called SALES people. I think you missed the point. Sales people, by themselves, cannot make a product succeed or fail. It wasn't advertising and marketing that made CF as successful as it is, it was that developers embraced it. I knew it wouldnt be long before someone told me this was all my fault. I run a tiny development business. I havent sat idly by and waited for the world to push dollars into my hand. As I said in the outset, if I hadnt gone out and hustled my own opportunities I'd have starved. I just wish I wasnt doing it all alone. No one is blaming you for, well, anything except starting another in a long list of CF is dying threads. But the amount of effort you've put into this thread would have been better spent on marketing yourself as a CF solution developer - doing a user group presentation. How many have you done lately? If you're a Toyota dealer you dont do it alone. You get backup support from the manufacturer. If you're a Dulux Paint dealer you dont do it alone. You get backup support from the manufacturer. If you're a Microsoft reseller you dont do it alone. You get FLOODED with support from the manufacturer. If you're a McDonalds franchisee you dont do it alone. You get backup support from the manufacturer. We're Adobe and Microsoft partners, and I don't see the vast difference that you see. But in any case, the two really aren't comparable, as nearly all Microsoft products exist to help sell Windows and Office. Adobe doesn't really have that sort of underlying base product to fall back on. As for the rest of your examples, let's just say that selling cars, paint and hamburgers is different from selling software. If you can't see the difference, I honestly don't know where to start. If you're an Adobe dealer/reseller/developer in Australia you get nothing, not even brochures. You dont get any support advertising appearing in trade mags. You dont get any help developing sales strategy unless you are prepared to tell a competitor about it all, because the only thing they'll do to help is refer you to a competitor. If you want to sell LiveCycle you get told to piss off. If you need help to sell server products you get told to stop being such a crybaby and get off your ass. All of those things have happened to me personally while trying to make business for Adobe. Well, I don't know anything about how things are in Australia. But I can tell you that here in the US, Adobe helps those resellers who help themselves. I don't know any companies that would help my company develop a sales strategy. That's our job. Having done that, we might approach them for funding for specific marketing events, and historically that's worked out pretty well. As for LiveCycle, yeah, they pretty much want you to piss off, because it's INSANELY COMPLICATED and EXPENSIVE. Unless you're a big company, or you specialize in LiveCycle development, chances are you're not going to be qualified to sell it. And every LiveCycle sale is a big sale, because it's such an expensive product. So they sell it themselves. We do LiveCycle training and consulting, but we don't sell it ourselves either. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training c ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329975 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
Dave, I have spent enough time in the sales operations of corporations to know that it doesn't matter a damn what the board of directors says - if the general sales team in a company has a widespread view that the product sucks, it doesn't sell. Or if they dont get the right support, or if they dont know how to sell it, it doesnt sell. This is especially true if the sales people have a whole raft of products they can sell to make quota. The CEO can jump up and down and wave his/her arms all he/she likes and it ain't gonna move. So thats why i started asking myself what if this person's attitude was representative of the general attitude of the Adobe staff? Adobe doesn't have a general sales team. Again, it's a very, very large company. Sales people tend to be fairly parochial, as their primary concern is meeting their quotas selling the products they're in charge of selling. And different products (and regions, and vertical markets) have different sales teams. So, again, picking out one guy from Adobe and asking yourself whether his attitude is representative of anything larger than, well, his own attitude, is a pointless exercise. And dont start talking about bloody LiveCycle. It was the Adobe LiveCycle guy at WebDU who told me that he would never allow my company to have anything to do with selling LiveCycle. I guess he took a look at me and decided I wasnt 'the right kind of person' or something. Perhaps he didnt like the colour of my shirt. Even after i had told him that I had known the product for at least 15 years and had built my career on printed and electronic forms and work flow since the 1980s. And i had known this product well since before it was bought by Moore and then Adobe. (A substantial part of the product that eventually became LiveCycle was developed by Hugh Millikin's company in Sydney) Even after he knew I had extensive experience with this kind of market, he still slammed the door in my face (very rudely too i might add ) so i walked away from the whole LiveCycle thing. I'm not going to plead and beg to be 'permitted' to be a customer. How many LiveCycle-certified developers do you have on staff? Have you deployed any LC servers? Have you developed any LC applications? Because you have to do ALL OF THAT before actually reselling the product. You are simply not going to be considered as a reseller for LiveCycle unless you've demonstrated a strong familiarity with the product line, and the ability to handle large customer deployments. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329976 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
Is that so strange? India has different problems that the rest of the world does not. Canada has different problems that the rest of the world does not. England has different problems that the rest of the world does not. France has different problems that the rest of the world does not. China has different problems that the rest of the world does not. Indonesia has different problems that the rest of the world does not. Hell, even the USA has different problems that the rest of the world does not. Why wouldnt Australia? Why would you then generalize your specific problems to the world? Look, if your problem is with the Australian sales team at Adobe, what is the point of posting CF is dying to a worldwide programmers' list? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, onli ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329977 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
jrpp-0 vs jrpp-123
I have a CF Scheduled task running that fires every 5 minutes, it monitors a database looking for records with a field set to a specific value. If it finds one it executes some code. The problem I am having is that when the task finds a record with the field set to the specific value it seems to be firing off the code twice somehow in 2 different coldfusion processes, one process which looks normal jrpp-119, the 119 changes but the other one that executes is alwyas jrpp-0. This is a sample of what I am getting in my log file. Information,jrpp-119,01/20/10,16:08:00,MY_APP,Start of Executing Code Information,jrpp-0,01/20/10,16:08:00,MY_APP,Start of Executing Code I have been digging into this for long time and can not figure out how this is happening. Anyone have any ideas at all? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329978 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs
Now, here's the ultimate test: let's post a ASP.NET is dying thread to their mailing list and see if the response is as strong. [?] On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: Is that so strange?India has different problems that the rest of the world does not. Canada has different problems that the rest of the world does not. England has different problems that the rest of the world does not. France has different problems that the rest of the world does not. China has different problems that the rest of the world does not. Indonesia has different problems that the rest of the world does not. Hell, even the USA has different problems that the rest of the world does not. Why wouldnt Australia? Why would you then generalize your specific problems to the world? Look, if your problem is with the Australian sales team at Adobe, what is the point of posting CF is dying to a worldwide programmers' list? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, onli ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329979 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Why .Net is on its last legs
So I moved to a .Net shop a while back and I can say that .Net is on its last legs. Well, its nice to program these elegant elaborate fully object oriented systems in C# and be able to whip out a console application once in a while, as needed. Sure, it makes one feel smart to throw all these fancy acronyms and names and have a full knowledge that the stuff you work on is so complicated that a mere mortal cannot handle it. The only problem with all of that is that for all of above benefits there is a high price to pay. And that price is development speed. If you need something now, .Net is not a rapid application development platform. Its more of a snail development with detective work... I mean sometimes you are spending a lot of time figuring out where the code is. So if the world needs in the future are for things to be delivered yesterday... .Net is definitely on its last legs unless something even better than latest DB improvements in 4.0 comes out. Or MS just threatens everyone with sudden death. Just my 2c. From: Qing Xia txiasum...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:50 PM To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs Now, here's the ultimate test: let's post a ASP.NET is dying thread to their mailing list and see if the response is as strong. [?] ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329980 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.
The difficult part of my job is that I administer the ColdFusion server, but I am not allowed direct access to the server. Yeah, those sort of setups suck because you can't just get in and do what you need to. The problem with a couple isolated readings of memory usage without a reference point is you really have no clue if that amount of memory usage is normal or not for your app. No one here can tell you that because every app is different. Some people probably have servers that never see more than 400 Megs of memory assigned to Jrun, other people here probably are used to each serer consuming 2 Gigs per instance on a regular basis. I monitor and log my memory usage (With SeeFusion) so I can get average values and trending and I know my servers sit at about 700 Megs to 1 Gig depending on traffic. You pretty much need to have baseline statistics to know if a given value is higher or lower than the normal for your app. Anything else is just guessing. You also never told me what your -Xms and -Xmx JVM args were. The reason I asked is because some people (like myself) set them equal to the same number (Though it appears you don't). This means that the amount of memory that jrun gets allocated by the OS is immediately granted (and shows up in Windows process monitor as being used by jrun) even though the heap may only be partially used. At that point, looking at the Windows process list will do you no good since it only shows you how much memory the OS has reserved for CF, not how much is being used. The server monitor will show you how much memory is in use without turning on memory tracking. ~Brad ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329981 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Why .Net is on its last legs
Personally, I think it's related to the instable economy. Pack your bags and move your family to Northern Virginia. Those guys are complete clowns! I read somewhere that they are all using Allair Cold Fuzion. -Original Message- From: Tom Kitta [mailto:t...@tomkitta.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:11 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Why .Net is on its last legs So I moved to a .Net shop a while back and I can say that .Net is on its last legs. Well, its nice to program these elegant elaborate fully object oriented systems in C# and be able to whip out a console application once in a while, as needed. Sure, it makes one feel smart to throw all these fancy acronyms and names and have a full knowledge that the stuff you work on is so complicated that a mere mortal cannot handle it. The only problem with all of that is that for all of above benefits there is a high price to pay. And that price is development speed. If you need something now, .Net is not a rapid application development platform. Its more of a snail development with detective work... I mean sometimes you are spending a lot of time figuring out where the code is. So if the world needs in the future are for things to be delivered yesterday... .Net is definitely on its last legs unless something even better than latest DB improvements in 4.0 comes out. Or MS just threatens everyone with sudden death. Just my 2c. From: Qing Xia txiasum...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:50 PM To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Why i fear ColdFusion is on its last legs Now, here's the ultimate test: let's post a ASP.NET is dying thread to their mailing list and see if the response is as strong. [?] ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329982 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Why .Net is on its last legs
Well, its nice to program these elegant elaborate fully object oriented systems in C# and be able to whip out a console application once in a while, as needed. Sure, it makes one feel smart to throw all these fancy acronyms and names and have a full knowledge that the stuff you work on is so complicated that a mere mortal cannot handle it. But it is object oriented, then one can re-use code ;-) Sure no one was able to re-use code before OOP was invented ;-) Developpers re-use code so much nowadays that it takes 4 gig RAM to do about the same thing we did before in Clipper with 256k ;-)) ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329983 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Why .Net is on its last legs
I second that. I took a 5-month certificate program for ASP.NET with C# last Spring at a prestigious university in the DC metropolitan area. (Not naming names here) The teacher is an extremely well qualified individual with over half a dozen MS certificates, including one in ASP.NET web development. However, it always seemed to take him forever to write a simple functionality, such as querying against several tables with simple joins and then output the result in a table. One thing I would say in ASP.NET's favor is that it forces developers to use a multi-tier approach to their applications, while CF does not. Now, is that a good thing? I am not sure. If you are a disciplined developer who adheres to best practices and OOP techniques, this seems hardly necessary. If you are new to programming, this enforcement does seem to foster good habits. The unfortunate thing is that sometimes companies decide to blame it on ColdFusion, instead of individual developers, when they discover the tangled web of sloppy code written in ColdFusion. It is our responsibility, as ColdFusion developers, to give it a good reputation. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329984 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: ColdFusion|JRun CPU and|or memory problem.
Questions like that hard to answer generically.
In general, you need to add some GC args to take a look at your garbage
collections and how often they are running as well as how much memory
you generally use. (jConsole will also be a good step) Chances are, if
your server has enough RAM and CF is the only thing running, you can
probably safely increase your Xmx. There are many good blogs out there
by people who know more than I do. Adobe also has good info on the
subject:
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/coldfusion/articles/coldfusion_performance_02.html
The perm generation is where classes are stored. If your app is heavy
on CFCs, you might need more. Generally, if that really is problem,
you'll start seeing out of perm space errors.
~Brad
--
For reference here is the arguments from out development server which
should be the same on our production server
# Arguments to VM
java.args=-server -Xmx512m -Dsun.io.useCanonCaches=false
-XX:MaxPermSize=192m
-XX:+UseParallelGC -Dcoldfusion.rootDir={application.home}/
Are there any concerns or performance problems having this argument
configured on a production server?
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