On Mar 31, 2004, at 7:42 AM, Whittingham, P wrote:
The main problem I have with flex and flash mx 2004 is the size of swf
file. The download times suffer even on an intranet.
What kind of file sizes are you seeing?We have seen that typical Flex
applications are around 100K to 150K.Typically,
On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 12:14, Christian Cantrell wrote:
On Mar 31, 2004, at 7:42 AM, Whittingham, P wrote:
The main problem I have with flex and flash mx 2004 is the size of swf
file. The download times suffer even on an intranet.
What kind of file sizes are you seeing?We have seen that
Subject: Re: Flex is out
...while Flex is no doubt cool, it would be a tough sell convince a
client to pony up $12K when UI development in either Flash or HTML
would be far less than that.Obviously, the pricing is enterprise
level.
Again, you have to do the math.Figure out:
1. If you think
is about UI and performance, not just UI.
TIA,
Patrick Whittingham
United Space Alliance
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I've been traveling recently, so I wasn't able
On Mar 31, 2004, at 4:42 AM, Whittingham, P wrote:
I love the idea of RIA and its capabilities, but RIA is about UI and
performance, not just UI.
apologies in advance... without performance, it'sRich, Reach, and
Retch:)
Dick
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But the math never adds up to only $12,000, does it?
It could theoretically be lessfrom a pure software procurement
standpoint, not necessarily a development cost standpoint.
If you want to deploy the Flex application in a load balanced environment,
then it will require at least $24,000.
hey mikey,
did you get the cfloop to work with that flecks thing you were working with?
tony
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On Mar 31, 2004, at 4:42 AM, Whittingham, P
Yea... Flash just has this sticky slo-mo feel to it. There is no pop.
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Yeah -- but this is a pretty bad example IMO
Functionality
Thanks for the clarifications, Christian.One question tho:I have checked out the samples explorer, and the one thing that I find lacking as far as an example is accessibility - an issue of extreme importance in my shop.There are in fact two levels of accessibility; allowing persons with mild
On Mar 31, 2004, at 11:51 AM, Morgan Senkal wrote:
Thanks for the clarifications, Christian. One question tho: I have
checked out the samples explorer, and the one thing that I find
lacking as far as an example is accessibility - an issue of extreme
importance in my shop... On the
that is important.
Best Regards,
Calvin
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But the math never adds up to only $12,000, does it?
It could theoretically be lessfrom a pure software procurement
From: Dwayne Cole
I predict that Macromedia is going to sell off ColdFusion
within the next 2 years.Their product portfolio is too
diversified and their customer segments have very little in
common - Flash, ColdFusion, Director, Fireworks, Breeze, and
now Flex - very different
On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 19:35, Philip Arnold wrote:
...
In fact you had better avoid any company which sells a product as they
could drop their support, and only use open-source applications, but
what database server does that leave you with? mySQL is retail, as is
SQL Server, Oracle, and any of
Rob said:
If they don't want the poor playing with their stuff, then so be it.
Sure they want everybody to *play* with it. That can only increase the
Flex awareness of the general public. That is why you can get the
trial for $8.99, familiarize yourself with it and build a demo to
convince your
PC Wroble said:
Laszlo has changed their pricing/version model. For most of it's
life they just had the Enterpise Edition which was out of reach of
small guys. Just a few weeks ago they were selling the Professional
Edition for $995 (or $999) and the Enterprise Edition for $2495 (or
$2499).
I'm still waiting for Flex to show up in the Education store,
but I have little hope of the discount percentage being high
enough to make it affordable in the near future.
The educational discount in N. America is going to be 34%, so just under
$8k.Government institutions will get a 20%
Maybe just another go nowhere Spectra product chasing tumble weeds...
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On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 21:11, Geoff Bowers wrote:
So Flex is expensive.. its a product
And if Microsoft buys MM for Flask etal, guess what -- Cold Fusion is
dead -- just like they knifed FoxPro in the back...
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I predict that Macromedia
But Macromedia is not Microsoft by far.
Managing the diversity of product lines is essential to success and ever organization has a limit, and many organizations suffer significant failures becuase mismanage a brand or they go beyond their limit.
Microsoft releases new version of SQL
eloquently stated geoff.it's the quarterly, mm is getting bought, cf is
going to be gobbled up by .net, run and hide thread...its almost like we
should have anniversary parties for it...
tw
I'm not saying gobbled up by .net I'm saying bought and strengthen by someone else.It happens every day
Since there seems to be very little traffic about this on the flex list,
I thought I'd post here.
Which of these are true?
Flex:
1) Is an alternative way to create swf files
2) Offers nothing new to the Flash Client (I.E. with enough time; you could
build anything created in Flex through
On Monday 29 Mar 2004 17:14 pm, Rob wrote:
Can you just buy the Flex server and not buy cfmx? or do you have to buy
both?
You can them individualy as far as I know. It was a comparrison, because they
do a similar job - server side scripting of a high level language - Flex
renders to Flash, CF
On Tuesday 30 Mar 2004 13:22 pm, Jeffry Houser wrote:
Which of these are true?
Both.
1) Is an alternative way to create swf files
Well, it does.
2) Offers nothing new to the Flash Client (I.E. with enough time; you could
build anything created in Flex through other means )
Yes, you could.
On Tuesday 30 Mar 2004 12:36 pm, Arden Weiss wrote:
Maybe just another go nowhere Spectra product chasing tumble weeds...
The same thought occured to me at lunch time mulling things over with the rest
of the guys here :-/
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On Tuesday 30 Mar 2004 04:50 am, Dick Applebaum wrote:
But, given the jsp taglibs... is that all there is?
That' all CFMX is, really.
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On Monday 29 Mar 2004 20:07 pm, Mark Leder wrote:
Ditto. As I watched the demo, I was brainstorming about all new products,
apps, etc. using Flex.So my bubble is burst.
:nods
I was mocking up GUI for the next major release of our web site recently, and
wouldv'e loced to use Flex for it, and
On Mar 30, 2004, at 4:24 AM, Thomas Chiverton wrote:
You can them individualy as far as I know. It was a comparrison,
because they
do a similar job - server side scripting of a high level language -
Flex
renders to Flash, CF to HTML.
But they don't do a similar job -- Flex has no
I should not have used rhetoric!
The point I was trying to make (however lamely) was:
Why aren't the RIA components in the Flex taglibs available to CFMX
without the need and expense of purchasing, installing and maintaining
another server?
I think it was Ben;s preso or white paper that says
Dick Applebaum wrote:
The point I was trying to make (however lamely) was:
Why aren't the RIA components in the Flex taglibs available to CFMX
without the need and expense of purchasing, installing and maintaining
another server?
Flex is just a J2EE application that runs on top of a
Of course you are correct
But the CFMX application and (apparently) the Flex application are kind
of mini-servers in themselves:
1) CFMX is passed a request for a template or service
2) CFMX locates the template and interprets/compiles it as necessary
3) CFMX executes the template making
On Tuesday 30 Mar 2004 13:38 pm, Dick Applebaum wrote:
But they don't do a similar job -- Flex has no mechanisms to access
databases, email, etc.
Flex is 'new wave' in that in supports invoking services to do all the
back-end stuff.
As far as I can tell Flex relies on other components
On Tuesday 30 Mar 2004 14:37 pm, Dick Applebaum wrote:
But if the Flex jsp taglibs were available for installation on CFMX,
No if about it.
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Exactly, while Flex is no doubt cool, it would be a tough sell convince a client to pony up $12K when UI development in either Flash or HTML would be far less than that.Obviously, the pricing is enterprise level.
I have looked at Laszlo and wondered how it differs from Flex.The answer's not
On Tuesday 30 Mar 2004 14:26 pm, Danielle Romain wrote:
Sun ought to buy MM.
Bit early for Fool's Day :-)
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Tom
What do you mean?
AFAIK, the only way to get the taglibs is to install another server
instance on the same j2ee server and then (somehow) access them thru
the J2ee server facilities.
Am I wrong?Can you purchase only the taglibs and instal them on a
CFMX server instance?
That would be
entry=1042.
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Tom
What do you mean?
AFAIK, the only way to get the taglibs is to install another server
instance on the same j2ee server and then (somehow
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Tom
What do you mean?
AFAIK, the only way to get the taglibs is to install another server
instance on the same j2ee server and then (somehow) access them thru
the J2ee server
But they don't do a similar job -- Flex has no mechanisms to access
databases, email, etc.
As far as I can tell Flex relies on other components (written in CF,
JSP, whatever) to do the meat of the seerverside.
What Flex appears to do (and it is difficult to tell how well) is
combine XML
I should not have used rhetoric!
The point I was trying to make (however lamely) was:
Why aren't the RIA components in the Flex taglibs available to CFMX
without the need and expense of purchasing, installing and maintaining
another server?
I think it was Ben;s preso or white paper that says
On Tuesday 30 Mar 2004 16:04 pm, Dick Applebaum wrote:
Why is the Flex trial only available on CD -- Price isn't the issue,
but delay is.
So all the people who did the beta can go 'nuh-nuh-nuh-nuhh' :-)
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Subject: Flex is out
From: Thomas Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:29:34 +0100
Thread:
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm/method=messagesthreadid=31535forumid=4#158147
On Tuesday 30 Mar 2004 13:22 pm, Jeffry Houser wrote:
Which
Rob asked:
Why does it cost so much?
A few years back we used a product called HTMLTransit to convert Word
documents, Excel documents and documents in other formats to HTML. After an
initial investment in building a template that mapped the styles in the
original document to HTML it was a simple
On Tuesday 30 Mar 2004 16:45 pm, Jeffry Houser wrote:
traditional flash creation method will be less costly than using
Flex?Only having a general knowledge of Flash I am not qualified to even
speculate.
The first few projects you do will involve writing your own objects for things
like a data
http://www.macromedia.com/software/flex/productinfo/faq/#item-36
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Thx Mike
I like the 5 IPs on the developer -- but not perishable swfs
Bet, hey, it's free!
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On Mar 30, 2004, at 8:33 AM, Mike Chambers wrote:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/flex/productinfo/faq/#item-36
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;-)
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Subject: Flex is out
From: Thomas Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:29:34 +0100
Thread:
http
On Mar 30, 2004, at 11:13 AM, Stacy Young wrote:
I can tell you from experience...RIA development for most typical j2ee
development teams will be of a fraction of the cost vs traditional
flash/remoting development. The difference in managing source code
alone
is worth big bucks to me...I've
: Flex is out
On Mar 30, 2004, at 11:13 AM, Stacy Young wrote:
I can tell you from experience...RIA development for most typical j2ee
development teams will be of a fraction of the cost vs traditional
flash/remoting development. The difference in managing source code
alone
is worth big bucks to me
into for
specific services.
I hope I'm not clouding things further!
Cheers,
Stace
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On Mar 30, 2004, at 11:13 AM, Stacy Young wrote:
I can tell you from experience...RIA
: Flex is out
That really helps!
What i was getting at with the taglibs-- I know you presently have to
buy and install Flex to get the taglibs.What I think I would rather
do is just by the tablibs and install them on the CFMX server -- if
that makes sense -- then CFMX could do the entire app
Whoa, There is something that's not intuitively obvious (at least not
to me).
IfI understand correctly:
It may not be desirableto prime your swf with initial data, because
the swf would have to be generated every time it is requested.
However, with some effort, it may be possible to combine
Subject: Re: Flex is out
Whoa, There is something that's not intuitively obvious (at least not
to me).
IfI understand correctly:
It may not be desirableto prime your swf with initial data, because
the swf would have to be generated every time it is requested.
However, with some effort, it may
I've been traveling recently, so I wasn't able to address these
Flex-related posts as they came in.In the interest of efficiency,
rather than responding to each post, I've aggregated the main points
here:
I predict that Macromedia is going to sell off ColdFusion within the
next 2 years.
We absolutely have no plans to sell off ColdFusion. I don't know to
say it any more plainly than that. Macromedia is very dedicated to
ColdFusion as I think we will demonstrate with Blackstone. One of the
primary focuses of CFMX was obviously the port to the J2EE platform
which demanded
Touch off topic, but is there a working demo of flex anywhere? Seems
like 50% of the flex app links on the MM site are 404s and the other
ones are just pictures of what a flex app looks like.
Is there a live interactive demo somewhere?
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Try this:
http://www.macromedia.com/flex/samples/explorer/explorer.mxml
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Touch off topic, but is there a working demo of flex anywhere? Seems
like 50% of the flex app
Thanks but:
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Touch off topic, but is there a working demo of flex anywhere? Seems
like 50% of the flex app links on the MM site are 404s and the other
ones are just
Weird! I can reach it from two diff machines.. *shrugs*
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Yeah -- but this is a pretty bad example IMO
Functionality --- great
UI -- good
Performance -- poor at best
I addressed this in an earlier post that was lost in the flurryof
Flex responses
Below isthe relative snippet
Certainly there must be some better examples with a realistic db
backend.
oops here's the part of the prior post
I noticed something that I had never really thought about.there is
quite a price to pay for RIAs (over and above the Flash plugin and the
swf download time).To test my program I had several open windows in
multiple browsers all displaying versions of my
On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 19:17, Stacy Young wrote:
Weird! I can reach it from two diff machines.. *shrugs*
Well I am running FireFox on a Debian linux box soI doubt you are
running that - and I doubt it is a supported setup anyway.
None of the apps work, but I guess thats for the best anyway as I
On Mar 31, 2004, at 12:05 AM, Rob wrote:
Well I am running FireFox on a Debian linux box so I doubt you are
running that - and I doubt it is a supported setup anyway.
That explains it.Flex requires Flash Player 7, which has not yet been
released for Linux.It will be out shortly, however.
And it's incredibly awesome, but way too expensive for now...
Tyler
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Just in case anybody's interested, it went live today:
On Monday 29 Mar 2004 16:21 pm, Tyler Silcox wrote:
And it's incredibly awesome, but way too expensive for now...
Flex presentation server pricing starts at $12,000 for two CPUs
This compares to about a tenth of that for CFMX.
I don't think I should post my inital reaction - a bit 'unclean'.
29, 2004 10:52 AM
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Subject: Re: Flex is out
On Monday 29 Mar 2004 16:21 pm, Tyler Silcox wrote:
And it's incredibly awesome, but way too expensive for now...
Flex presentation server pricing starts at $12,000 for two CPUs
This compares to about a tenth of that for CFMX.
I don't think
On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 07:51, Thomas Chiverton wrote:
On Monday 29 Mar 2004 16:21 pm, Tyler Silcox wrote:
And it's incredibly awesome, but way too expensive for now...
Flex presentation server pricing starts at $12,000 for two CPUs
This compares to about a tenth of that for CFMX.
Can you
On Monday 29 Mar 2004 17:03 pm, Haggerty, Mike wrote:
There are a bunch of broken links, and presentations instead of working
applications.
Yup. Very sucky.
And of course it doesn't help they are all about 100 pixels tall, so you can't
actualy read anything in them.
Great.
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On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 07:51, Thomas Chiverton wrote:
On Monday 29 Mar 2004 16:21 pm, Tyler Silcox wrote:
And it's incredibly awesome, but way too expensive for now...
Flex presentation server pricing starts at $12,000 for two CPUs
On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 07:51, Thomas Chiverton wrote:
On Monday 29 Mar 2004 16:21 pm, Tyler Silcox wrote:
And it's incredibly awesome, but way too expensive for now...
Flex presentation server pricing starts at $12,000 for two CPUs
This compares to about a tenth of that for CFMX.
Can
As a side note, there's been a Flex mailing list on the House of Fusion mailing
list page for the last few months. A little traffic in the beginning but it's
slated to move now that Flex is out.
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/37
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On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 08:28, Stacy Young wrote:
Flex is it's own product. You do not need CFMX...but on that same note
you'll need something to power the backend of an application. So if you
*do* have CFMX you can write web services to power the Flex front end.
So you can use Flex, for
, 2004 11:35 AM
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On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 08:28, Stacy Young wrote:
Flex is it's own product. You do not need CFMX...but on that same note
you'll need something to power the backend of an application. So if
you
*do* have CFMX you can write web services to power
the killer app that it can be and gain critical mass by reaching out
to all developers.
So I guess I have to continue to use a timeline in Flash to build RIA. :o(
Thanks, Mark
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Thomas Chiverton wrote:
On Monday 29 Mar 2004 16:21 pm, Tyler Silcox wrote:
And it's incredibly awesome, but way too expensive for now...
Flex presentation server pricing starts at $12,000 for two CPUs
I think it will be beyond the reach of just about everyone, which is a
shame because
Mark Leder wrote:
However the price as advertised by MM simply is way out of reach
for most smaller shops (like me).Its obviously being targeted at the
enterprise level.
Yes, so much for MM leveraging their mass of developers, and I guess we
can forget about seeing a market stampede to their
was brainstorming about all new products,
apps, etc. using Flex.So my bubble is burst.
Thanks, Mark
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Mark Leder wrote:
However the price as advertised by MM simply is way out
On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 11:07, Mark Leder wrote:
The really sad thing is I have clients that own CF and love it now.I
was hoping to use Flex as the entre into revamping their older
in-office systems so that both web and desktop ran off the same system.
I can forget that idea, at least for now.
At 02:09 PM 3/29/2004, you wrote:
Why does it cost so much?
Crack abuse?
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On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 11:07, Mark Leder wrote:
The really sad thing is I have clients that own CF and
love it now.I
was hoping to use Flex as the entre into revamping their older
in-office systems so that both web and desktop
Rob wrote:
On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 11:07, Mark Leder wrote:
Ditto. As I watched the demo, I was brainstorming about all new products,
apps, etc. using Flex.So my bubble is burst.
Why does it cost so much?
Because Macromedia knows enterprises will pay up. There really is
no competition in
On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 11:21, Barney Boisvert wrote:
Why does it cost so much?
Their sales dept accidentally typed an extra zero back a few months ago, and
no one caught it until last week, but by then it was way to late to remake
everything with the right price.
Hehehe, but I mean really.
How about a Flex light (like maybe Warm up) that has less features?
Maybe?
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Barney Boisvert wrote:
Their sales dept accidentally typed an extra zero
I could sell $1,200.$12,000 is enough to get me laughed out the door.
They are charging that much because someone made the decision that the
loss of volume and alienation of their grass roots will be made up for
by cash
What does Lazlo price at?
-adam
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Barney Boisvert wrote:
Their sales dept accidentally typed an extra zero
I could sell $1,200.$12,000
Adam wrote
What does Lazlo price at?
$1999 for a single-processor system.Free for approved non-commercial deployments.
Something I would never have looked twice at until today.
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Why does it cost so much?
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Hi,
To my knowledge, Laszlo doesn't publish their pricing for the full featured
version of their software.
Christine
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What does Lazlo price
Because development communities don't drive product sales?
=P
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Subject: RE: Flex is out
On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 11:07, Mark Leder wrote:
The really sad thing is I have clients that own CF
Matt Robertson wrote:
Me, I wouldn't push my luck, and would grab market- and mindshare and
run with it, lengthening the lead I already have... but of course I'm
just a simple geek prone to idle speculation.
I love speculation :-)
Have you looked at the Blackstone speculation blurbs? Flash
Their sales dept accidentally typed an extra zero back a few months ago, and
no one caught it until last week
If it is like other bugs in their soft, they'll never admit it was a mistake ;-)
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Christine Lawson wrote:
The pricing of Flex is a reflection of its value in its target market.
Which clearly isn't a lot of the development community.
I'm reminded of what happened to the database world when Microsoft released Access for US$99, and crushed a strong competitive field
pissed...
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From: Christine Lawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Flex is out
Hi,
I just thought I'd jump in here. The pricing of Flex is a reflection of its
value in its target market. Flex is designed to meet the needs
After reading Ben's preso and paper I am beginning to understand where
Flex fits vis-a-avis CFMX --- but it would be a lot clearer if the flex
jsp taglibs were available to CFMX.
I am beginning to think that we are trying to slice web application pie
into too many slices (communication. help
After reading Ben's preso and paper I am beginning to understand where
Flex fits vis-a-avis CFMX --- but it would be a lot clearer if the flex
jsp taglibs were available to CFMX.
I am beginning to think that we are trying to slice web application pie
into too many slices (communication. help
guru, so who knows.
Cheers,
barneyb
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From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Flex is out
After reading Ben's preso and paper I am beginning to
understand where
Flex fits vis-a-avis CFMX
.
Of course, I'm a coke monkey, not a business guru, so who knows.
Cheers,
barneyb
-Original Message-
From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Flex is out
After reading Ben's preso and paper I am beginning to
understand
over HTTP etc
Myself I use a CF backing using both WS and Remoting...but I also tie
into other systems via Web Services...somewhat of a central UI.
-Stace
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From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Flex is out
Considered
If Macromedia sees the Internet's future in RIAs (a point to which I agree, BTW), how does a $12000 product enable that future?
Flex succeeds because it bring the positives of Flash of a content delivery standpoint while freeing developers of the Flash IDE, which some find very intimidating.
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