Re: [CTRL] Homeo Hit Piece

1999-09-28 Thread Dave

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Hey, it's Will the shill...   jeez I thought you were DEAD!

Good to see you in the company of disinformationists such as notorious
"quackbuster" Barrett.

It's pleasing to know that my impression of you is right on.

(whyn'cha go eat a tube of toothpaste, Barrett says it's good for your
teeth)


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


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Homeopathy is indeed the ultimate fake/fraud!
That ANY sane and semi-intelligent person could fall for this nonsense is
shocking.
Bill.


Homeopathy: The Ultimate Fake
Stephen Barrett, M.D.
Homeopathic "remedies" enjoy a unique status in the health marketplace

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Re: [CTRL] [CIA-DRUGS] Re: Crippling the CIA - working forlegalizationof drugs..

1999-09-28 Thread Dave

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The STOA documents are a work-in-progress; funded under contract to the
European Parliament.
Stuff is regularly updated, and it shouldn't suprise you if it is moved,
updated, changed, etc.
Just try tracking down a controversial item in the Federal Register or the
U.S. Information Agency !!

Dave Hartley
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A lot of the dating of this stuff has been tampered with
recently I thinkI accessed this 8 months ago and spread
it far and wide...went back to the site a month later, it
had been moved, from its original spot, and dates had been
changedseemed like some years were added.b

Dave wrote:

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 Every single email that is sent anywhere in the world.
 Also every voice conversation that is sent over digital link.
 There's the NSA_key trojan horse built in to Microsoft's windoze products
to
 make it easy for them to bypass privacy measures and encryption.
 
 Project Echelon:

 (The publication of this first item really broke the Echelon story open)

 This Study represents a summarised version of an Interim Study, 'An
 Appraisal of the Technology of Political Control' (PE 166.499), referred
to
 throughout this document as the Interim Study, prepared by the Omega
 Foundation in Manchester and presented to the STOA Panel at its meeting of
 18 December 1997 and to the Committee on Civil Liberties and Internal
 Affairs on 27 January 1998.
 When it became known that the issue of electronic surveillance was to be
on
 the agenda of the September 1998 part-session of the European Parliament,
 the Omega Foundation was requested to prepare an updated Executive Summary
 of the Interim Study for use as a background document. The updated
Executive
 Summary covers the various areas of the subject of technologies of
political
 control dealt with in the Interim Study. However, the document in its
 present form concerns only the specific topic of electronic surveillance.
 The full version alone contains the footnotes and bilbiography.
 The Interim Study aroused great interest and the resultant high-profile
 press comment throughout the European Union and beyond indicates the level
 of public concern about many of the innovations detailed by the Study.
This
 updated Executive Summary is framed by the same key objectives as the
 Interim Study, namely:-
 (i) To provide Members of the European Parliament with a succinct
reference
 guide to recent advances in the technology of political control;
 (ii) To identify and describe the current state of the art of the most
 salient developments, further clarifying and updating the areas of the
 Interim Study which have aroused the greatest public concern and comment;
 (iii) To present MEP's with an account of current trends both within
Europe
 and Worldwide;
 (iv) To suggest policy options covering regulatory strategies for the
future
 democratic control and management of this technology;
 (v) To provide some further succinct background material to inform the
 Parliament's response to the proposed declaration by the Commission on
 electronic evesdropping which has been put on the agenda for the plenary
 session of the European Parliament, on Wednesday 16 September 1998.
 http://www.europarl.eu.int/dg4/stoa/en/publi/166499/execsum.htm
 (much more interesting material on "Appraisal of the Technology of
Political
 Control" is available from this source)

 More links on Echelon:

 "I don't want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the
 capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see
to
 it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate
 within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over
 that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return."
 — Senator Frank Church, quoted in: ECHELON: America's Secret Global
 Surveillance Network
 http://serendipity.nofadz.com/hermetic/crypto/echelon/echelon.htm

  Echelon: Interception Capabilities 2000
 Information Security Portal, The Global Clearinghouse for Information
 Warfare on the Internet, Computer Security,Internet Security,Cybercrime
 Reporting,Firewalls,Encryption,Viruses,Cyberwar,Y2
  http://www.infowar.com/class_2/99/class2_051199b_j.shtml

 CAQ links:
 http://www-douzzer.ai.mit.edu:8080/conspiracy/paulwolf/echelon.htm

 SIGHTINGS Investigation Into NSA's Top Secret ECHELON Spy Network Dropped
By
 EU By Niall McKay Wired News www.wired.com 10-10-98 The European
Parliament
 has swept aside concerns about alleged surveillance and spying activities
 conducted in the..
  http://www.sightings.com/political/spynetwork.htm

  Wired News
 updated 11:30 

Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy Hit Piece..reply

1999-09-28 Thread Dave

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Oh good, the OTHER troll squeaks up

Homoeopathic remedies cost nearly nothing to make.
They aren't patentable.
They FAR outperform poisonous petrochemical based pharmaceuticals.

You are only showing your parochialism and lack of critical thinking ability
with your questions.
IF you were interested in answers, they abound.

You could start by discovering that Homoeopathy is one of 4 equally
respected forms of medicine in India, somewhat ahead of "western" medicine.

You could easily discover that homoepathy in the U.S. was subjected to the
same sort of pressure by the AMA and the pharmaceutical industry that they
were BUSTED for w/regard to Chiropractic.
You might begin to imagine that MONEY IS the issue, and HEALTH is not-
healthy people will not PAY THROUGH THE NOSE for expensive pharmaceuticals,
and so- MUST NOT have access to alternatives in order for the drug industry
to flourish.
(I thought this was a list of critical thinkers 'cept for Will
"Budweiswer" Shannon)

You could REALLY put on yer 'ole thinkin' cap and start to wonder.

"Well  if pharmaceutical medicine is the most profitable industry in the
U.S. (profits vs. gross income) and if a great many pharmaceutical firms
have roots in Nazi German-era war criminal corporations, and if iatrogenesis
(doctor created illness) is becoming a leading cause of death, maybe I'm not
getting filled in on the big picture."

DRUG REACTION IS WORLD'S FOURTH MAJOR KILLER: An alarming finding by
Canadian researchers is that adverse drug reactions cause more than 100,000
deaths in the US every year - which makes them the fourth biggest killer,
after heart disease, cancer and stroke. These figures could be far worse if
administrative errors, overdose and "possible" reactions were also included,
the researchers point out. "The figures are much higher than expected and
suggest that adverse drug reactions (ADRs) are considerably under-reported,"
says Bruce Pomeranz, head of the University of Toronto research team. Around
76 per cent of the ADRs were caused by highly toxic drugs, while others may
have been caused by inadequate monitoring of therapies and doses. The
Toronto researchers are confident that these figures would be similar in
every other developed country. In the UK, Charles Medawar of the
drug-monitoring group Social Audit said up to 5 per cent of all hospital
admissions are caused by drug reactions. Once there, 15 per cent of
inpatients have their stay prolonged by a drug reaction, half of which could
be avoided, he said. (Source:WDDTY Magazine Jun 98 Vol 9 No.3)

See my webpage for a bunch of  links, I've researched this for years... I'll
be happy to debate or discuss with anyone except, possibly... budman...


Dave Hartley
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 IIf water has a memory this is strong validation for homeopathy

Next time you have cholera, or Ebola, see a homeopath.

If water has memory, each molecule should remember everybody who's
ever pissed it out, everything it's ever dissolved.  But where is
that memory stored?  Look at the structure of a water molecule -
dihydrogen monoxide.  How many bonds?  How many ways can they be
arranged?  What information is stored in the arrangement of those
bonds?  What energy levels are needed to rearrange those bonds?  If
you dissolve a vanishingly small amount of anything into a quantity
of water, how is energy transferred from the solute to the water
molecules?  If water has a memory, if new info can be stored in a
water molecule, how can that info be unambiguously detected?

If homeopathy worked, why don't pharmaceutical firms reduce the
vast expenses of developing new drugs by producing homeopathic
preparations?  Those greedy bastards will do ANYTHING that will
make money - why don't they increase profits homeopathically?  If
homeopathy worked, couldn't medical groups dispense with hoards
of expensive physicians, pharmacists, etc?  If homeopathy is a
viable system, why hasn't it prevailed after 150+ years?

I know, I know - it's all a conspiracy.

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[CTRL] Alternative medicine

1999-09-28 Thread ASu2431426

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I suspect there is no money (profit) in botanicals or homeopathic
preparations for llarge  firms.  They cannot be patented.   So why would a
pharmaceutical  firm even think about homeopathy and botanicals?.  And people
have gotten used to instant relief.which allopathic chemicals can achieve..
Alternates are essentially preventatives.

Ive had a bottle of peppermint oil for ten years. At 2 drops a dose when
needed the bottle will outlive me.  Ive had a bottle of echinacea worth $8.00
for a year and its still half full   At 3 drops a dose twice a week nobody is
going to get rich.It works for me and my wallet.  If anyone wants to call
that gullible its OK by me   Whether its a placebo,   immune booster  or
magic is irrelevant.  These work for me  in specific applications.

 Then we have those who want to push  applications to absurdity. Alternative
medicine works for colds, aches and pains, joints, blood pressureall the
annoying daily annoyances (but expensive).   If you break a leg or acquire
ebola...the emergency room is the place to go.  Its a matter of balance.
Choose what works for you..

 Another point:   hormone mimickers in milk ( from cattle feed additive)
point to the rise in breast cancer rates.  Washington scientists have been
iinstructed not to discuss latest findings which point to a linkl

Why?   Because Monsanto stands to lose  a bundle.?

ASU

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Re: [CTRL] The cataclysm *is* imminent...

1999-09-28 Thread Taylor, John (JH)

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[CTRL] Israel -- WANTED: Holy Blood

1999-09-28 Thread Das GOAT

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Extremists Launch Search for Cohens

By JAY COHEN
.c The Associated Press

JERUSALEM (AP) - An extremist group that hopes to rebuild the Jewish temple
in Jerusalem has launched a search for descendants of the priests and
caretakers of the ancient temples.

Organizers of the Second Annual Conference of the Lovers of the Temple said
Monday they would use phonebooks and public records to track down Cohens and
Levis, who could be called up for service if a third temple is built.

Those attending the conference hope to hasten the Messianic age by building a
new temple on the site of the Second Temple, which was destroyed in 70 A.D.
by Romans quelling a Jewish revolt.

Muslims, however, decry their movement, saying it seeks to destroy Islam's
third holiest site - the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa mosques, which now
stand on the site.

The vast majority of Jews reject plans to force Muslims off the Temple Mount.
Attempts by extremists to lay claim to the site have led to bloody clashes
with Muslims in the past. Judaism's holiest site, the Western Wall, is the
only remnant of the temple.

``Tonight we started a project in which we will be listing all Cohens and
Levis in the Jewish movement,'' said Yehuda Etzyon, head of the Hai VeKayam -
``Alive and Well'' - organization.

The Cohens, the priestly caste in ancient times, led services at the temple.
The Levis maintained the temple and were its musicians. Their descendants are
identified primarily through their names, including Cohen, Levy and a wide
range of derivatives.

A model of a rebuilt temple was displayed at the conference, and speakers
called for the expulsion of Muslims from the site. About 200 people attended
the conference, at Jerusalem's International Convention Center.

``One of the ideas of interest is to build a guard of Cohens and Levis, like
the guards of the King and Queen in England, so people know this is the
holiest place in Israel and not the place the Muslims stole,'' Etzyon said.

Meanwhile, tens of thousands turned out Monday at the Western Wall to mark
Sukkot, the Feast of Tabernacles. A row of Cohens, covered completely under
white prayer shawls, raised their arms to bless the crowd.

The weeklong holiday of Sukkot symbolizes the harvest season and commemorates
the 40-year trek through the desert by biblical Israelites, from Egypt to the
Promised Land.

Jewish men dine in huts to commemorate the simple conditions the Israelites
suffered in the wilderness.

 

 I notice that this group is NOT looking for descendants of the House of
Judah.  Or at least, they're not PUBLICLY looking for any modern inheritors
of the Seed of David.
 Each time Israel has had a monarch, since King David, it's been big
trouble ...
 Last time it offered a Davidic "MESSIAH," things turned out even WORSE.
 So Judaism would prefer to be a THEOCRATIC state, centered on Kohanim
under a High Priest.
 However, Kohanim have always found themselves at odds with the SECULAR
ruler of the Kingdom (or State), whether controlled by Jews or by foreign
conquerors.
 Prolonged conflicts invariably climaxes in the call for a "theocratic"
MONARCH.
 If the Temple WERE to be rebuilt, and staffed by Kohanim and a High
Priest, at the center of Jewish life in Israel, I "PROPHESY" that, after only
a couple of generations,
the priests' insistence that the SECULAR government be brought "into line"
with their Temple would result in a movement to restore the monarchy as well
-- along DAVIDIC lines -- with "Messianic" overtones, for NON-Jewish
CHRISTIANS around the world.

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[CTRL] NWO Investment in the Third World

1999-09-28 Thread Das GOAT

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U.N.: Global Investment Surges

By GEIR MOULSON
.c The Associated Press

GENEVA (AP) - Overseas investments by the world's business giants surged 39
percent to a record $640 billion last year and will likely set another high
this year, a U.N. report said Monday.

Overall, global investment flows will easily exceed $700 billion and could
top $800 billion in 1999, said the U.N. Conference on Trade and Development.

But developing countries desperate for more cash have less to cheer about,
said the report, as much of the new investment in 1998 took the form of
ever-larger mergers and acquisitions across the North Atlantic.

The investment share going to developing countries dropped sharply to 28
percent from 37 percent in 1997 and ``may be somewhat lower'' again this
year, the study said.

``Basically, what took place last year was an enormous rise in foreign direct
investment between the United States, Europe and Japan,'' said Rubens
Ricupero, secretary-general of UNCTAD.

Investment in the United States stood at $193 billion, up from $109 billion
the previous year. The European Union attracted $230 billion, up from $126
billion. The inward flow to Japan was $3.2 billion, down marginally from the
previous year.

The United States remained the most significant investor, shelling out $132.8
billion. As a group, the 15 EU nations invested a total of $386.1 billion,
$114.2 billion of which was Britain's.

Investment in Asia and the Pacific region as a whole fell 11 percent to $85
billion last year, but it seems to have ``weathered the financial crisis,''
the report said.

Some $5 billion flowed into South Korea, up from less than $3 billion in
1997. Thailand saw an 87 percent rise in investment as crisis-hit financial
institutions were bought by foreign investors.

China, still the most popular destination for foreign investment among
developing Asian countries, attracted $45.5 billion last year, up from $44.2
billion the year before. But the U.N. projected a fall to $35 billion this
year.

The Philippines also gained, but investment in Hong Kong, Indonesia,
Singapore, Taiwan and Vietnam declined. Spending abroad by Asian
corporations, at $36 billion, was down by almost a quarter.

Russia received $2.2 billion - a 60 percent fall from the previous year,
marking low investor confidence. But investment elsewhere in central and
Eastern Europe rose by 25 percent to $16 billion.

Latin America and the Caribbean came through financial turbulence to register
a 5 percent rise in incoming investment. Of the total $71.7 billion entering
the region, Brazil accounted for $28.7 billion.

Foreign investment in Africa fell by almost 12 percent in 1998, to $8.3
billion from $9.4 billion - largely because of decreasing flows to South
Africa as its privatization program slowed.

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[CTRL] FBI Evidence Vanishes in DNC-China Probe

1999-09-28 Thread Das GOAT

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FBI Fund-Raising Notes Being Probed

WASHINGTON (AP) - A Senate committee will investigate the disappearance of an
FBI agent's notes that were written at a time of internal strife in a
campaign fund-raising investigation, Sen. Fred Thompson said Monday.

Thompson, R-Tenn., chairman of the Governmental Affairs Committee, said FBI
and Justice Department officials were ``wholly unprepared'' last week to
discuss details of their ongoing internal investigations into the
disappearance. Thompson said he wouldn't wait for the Clinton administration
to finish before launching a Senate probe.

Roberta Parker told members of Thompson's committee during a public hearing
last week that the 27 pages of notes covered a period in 1997 when the
agents, and Justice Department attorneys, had strong disagreements about
tactics in the investigation of presidential friend Yah Lin ``Charlie'' Trie.
Trie was a major Democratic fund-raiser who pleaded guilty to campaign
finance violations.

The notes had been subpoenaed by a House committee. The agent said they could
only have been torn from her spiral notebook.

Thompson said sworn depositions would be taken from government officials who
handled the notes.

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[CTRL] First Russian-Chinese JOINT Military Exercises

1999-09-28 Thread Das GOAT

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Russia, China Plan Naval Exercises

MOSCOW (AP) - Russian and Chinese warships will take part in first-ever joint
maneuvers early next month, the ITAR-Tass news agency reported Monday.

The Russian Pacific Fleet destroyer Burny and missile cruiser Varyag will
visit the port of Shanghai on Oct. 2-6 to mark China's 50th anniversary and
the 50th anniversary of Russian-Chinese diplomatic relations, said Russian
Navy spokesman Igor Dygalo.

During the visit, the two Russian vessels will hold joint exercises with
ships from China's Eastern Fleet. It will be the first joint maneuver between
the two fleets, ITAR-Tass said.

The maneuvers are ``another step towards strengthening cooperation and mutual
understanding between the military sailors of the two countries,'' it quoted
Dygalo as saying.

Russian-Chinese relations have been warming steadily since the early 1990s,
following decades of tension. China is a top client for Russia's ailing
military industrial complex, purchasing billions of dollars worth of jets,
missiles and submarines.

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Re: [CTRL] Secret Essene Dead Sea Scroll

1999-09-28 Thread Das GOAT

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 Another version of the same story:


Report: Religious Text Kept Secret

By MARK LAVIE
.c The Associated Press

JERUSALEM (AP) - A news magazine reported Monday it has been given excerpts
of a purported 2000-year-old religious text related to the Dead Sea Scrolls
that could shed new light on the origins of Christianity and Jewish
mysticism.

The Jerusalem Report said it had no way of determining whether the text was
an elaborate hoax or one of the most important archaeological finds of the
century.

The author of the ``Angel Scroll,'' describes being taken by an angel named
Pnimea on a tour of heavenly gates, learning how to predict the future and
being taken back in time to the creation of the universe.

The 6-foot-long document has been locked away at a Benedictine monastery on
the German-Austrian border, according to three Israelis who told the magazine
they had obtained a transcript.

Benedictine monks bought the scroll from an antiquities dealer in the
Jordanian capital of Amman in the 1970s, The Report said, citing the three
Israelis.

The monks were sworn to secrecy, then assembled the fragments, photographed
the scroll and deciphered it. One of the monks, Gustave Mateus, leaked the
contents before his death in 1996, The Report was told.

Father Bargil Pixner, the Benedictine authority on the Dead Sea Scrolls,
called the report ``a lot of nonsense'' and ``sensationalism.'' He told The
Associated Press that if the Benedictines were in possession of another
scroll, ``I would know about it.''

Pixner also said Mateus was alive and well in Germany.

Still, Stephen Pfann, a leading Dead Sea Scrolls scholar who has gone over
about a quarter of the text, said the language used is similar to that of the
scrolls. If it is a forgery, said Pfann, ``it's a very good one.''

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[CTRL] Japan, A Nuclear Power?

1999-09-28 Thread Das GOAT

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 This is "weapons-usable" plutonium -- arriving just as the US re-arms
Japan, anticipating things getting hairy in E Asia (vis-a-vis N. Korea and/or
Red China).


Ship Unloads Plutonium in Japan

By KOZO MIZOGUCHI
.c The Associated Press

TOKYO (AP) - A British vessel carrying a controversial shipment of plutonium
to fuel nuclear reactors unloaded its cargo Monday at a port in northern
Japan.

The Pacific Teal docked at a facility reserved for use by Tokyo Electric
Power Co.'s nuclear plant in Fukushima prefecture, 150 miles, northeast of
Tokyo, said company spokesman Ichiro Kudo. Delivery had been delayed since
last week by storms.

It was the first shipment to Japan of a mix of uranium oxide and plutonium
that is known as MOX, reprocessed from spent nuclear fuel at France's
state-run retreatment plant at La Hague, near Cherbourg, Kudo said.

Tokyo Electric Power, Japan's largest utility company, will use the MOX fuel
pellets in light-water reactors at its Fukushima No. 3 plant starting in
February, Kudo said.

Resource-poor Japan is heavily dependent on nuclear power for energy.

The ship left France in July with a cargo of 315 pounds of plutonium aboard,
Kudo said.

Japanese TV showed several members of the environmental group Greenpeace in
two small boats in the port Monday morning, protesting the shipment.

``This weapons-usable material poses not only a risk of an environmental
disaster in Japan and along the entire 20,000-mile route from Europe, but it
also threatens to spark a major proliferation crisis in the Asia-Pacific
region,'' Kazue Suzuki of Greenpeace Japan said in a statement.

Coast guard vessels escorted the Pacific Teal to the pier, Kudo said.

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[CTRL] EU Chastises Britain on Gays-in-Military Policy

1999-09-28 Thread Das GOAT

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British Army Ban on Gays Unlawful

STRASBOURG, France (AP) - The European Court of Human Rights ruled Monday
that Britain's ban on homosexuals in the armed forces is a breach of human
rights.

The court found in favor of four British nationals, three men and a woman,
who were discharged from the British armed forces in line with its ban on
homosexual personnel after they acknowledged their homosexuality.

The court said the British policy violated Article 8 of the European
Convention on Human Rights, which defends the right to private and family
life.

``The court considered the investigations, and in particular the interviews
of the applicants, to have been exceptionally intrusive,'' the European court
said in a statement.

``The investigations conducted into the applicants' sexual orientation
together with their discharge from the armed forces constituted especially
grave interferences with their private lives,'' it said.

Duncan Lustig-Prean, John Beckett, Heanette Smith and Graeme Grady were
discharged between 1993 and 1995. They applied for judicial review of their
discharges, and in November 1995 the court of appeal rejected their
applications.

They then filed their complaint with the European Court of Human Rights.

The verdict cannot force a change of law in Britain, but the applicants
considered it a symbolic step toward ending discrimination in the armed
forces.

``I was hoping it would be successful. Now the government has to lift the
ban. They cannot maintain it after what the court has said today,'' Grady
said after the verdict.

British Defense Secretary George Robertson said other cases involving
homosexuals in the British armed forces will be put on hold while the
government studies Monday's ruling.

Stonewall, a British organization that defends homosexual rights, applauded
the court's decision.

``This judgment is good news for everyone. Lifting the ban will not make our
forces one bit less effective,'' Stonewall's executive director Angela Mason
said.

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Re: [CTRL] For women--danger in feminine products

1999-09-28 Thread Nicola Molloy

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Hi Pete,

That sounds about right below, but I have no proof. I have heard before about the
addition of asbestos though.

However I have heard that the cig companies put opium in the cigarette papers to
get people addicted to smoking. Also that the tobacco is genetically enhanced to
be really full of nicotine. Now for the killer,  I have read that the plants get
aluminium fertilizer to help with the depopulation program. Also that the 3rd
world countries in exchange for aid from US have to take cigarette imports. But it
is awhile since I saw anything about cigarettes so will see if anything new turns
up. So this is from memory. But if anyone else could elaborate that would be great
too.

Nicky

earthman wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 Can anyone confirm this before I pass it on?
 I wouldn't want to waste their time with a hoax.

 Peter


  --
  Subject:  WARNING for females... (O-Sh)
  Please  pass on to as many women as possible . . .
  If you use pads, but especially if you use tampons read this and pass
  on to your friends (for the men receiving this email, please forward it
  to your friends, significant others, sisters, mothers, daughters, etc.)
  thanks!

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Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy -the second curve

1999-09-28 Thread Dave

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Gods- how tightly wound up in self-importance can a man's mind be?!

The proof that something works is that it works.

Your failure to understand the THEORY isn't an obstacle to the efficacy of
homoeopathy!
(rotfl)

Practically any science has some "doctrine" - but homoeopathy is based in
EMPIRICISM.
That is to say that  a body of direct observations, and continuing
affirmations or adjustment of philosophy to suit the reality observed is the
SCIENTIFIC method- as opposed to the pseudoscientific methods of the
bad-science-for-hire folks who produce the phony drug tests that get stuff
approved by FDA's methods- and which are placed financially and politically
out-of-reach of all but the major drug pushers. (you ARE aware that you live
in a very repressive and controlled society, aren't you? Expand your borders
a little- check out the fact that homoepathy is heavily repressed  in the
U.S., yet is widely used in India, Europe, Canada, Mexico, Australia )

You also appear to be mind-wrapped with Cartesian-reductionist dialetic --
wake UP!
19th century physics has been replaced! In spite of the fact that newer
science is only just beginning to find some understanding of homoeopathy:

Cholera is routinely treated by homoeopaths in India, as are all manner of
disease.
"Modern" western medicine is very useful as trauma-medicine, but is a
complete failure with chronic disease, and it's pharmaceuticals and methods
of prescribing them have made it into a KILLER in the U.S. ... more people
were killed by doctor-prescribed DRUGS last year than died in automobile
accidents. True.  Check it out, and THINK about it.

On THIS list I would expect a little more attention to fact, and a little
less parrotting of "party line" ...

It's no great cognitive leap to realize that herbs and other alternatives
including homoeopathy are ruthlessly suppressed for a couple of reasons.
1. many alternatives are not PATENTABLE.  (get it?)
2. they actually WORK, and where would all the profits go without the lines
of repeat customers?
3. MALTHUSIANIASM is very popular among the elite.

Read some of this stuff:
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart/altmedcon.htm

If you want to discuss it, I'm here.


Dave Hartley
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy -the second curve


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 You will never understand homeopathy and many other New Science
 technologies if you think in the conventional framework.

Ah, so we have to stop demanding that they be demonstrably effective?

 You have to posit another dimension..we call it 4-space

We already live in 4-space - it's called space-time.

 Within conventional thinking homeopathy CANNOT WORK for several
 reasons especially Avogadros limit...past a certain point of
 dilution not one molecule of the physical substance remains.

Yes, it's hard for non-existant stuff to work.

 But if you posit another dimension it does explain the phenomenon.

Posit whatever you will, but demonstrate 1) the existence of what
you've posited and 2) the validity of your claims.

But the theoretical basis of homeopathy is irrelevant if it doesn't
work.  If it worked, it would be exploited commercially on a mass-
industrial basis.  Major drug firms would squeeze every possible
dollar out of it.  As it is, homeopathy is well-marketed to the
credulous, and works about as well as any placebo can be expected
to.  But if SKF Beecham and CibaGeigy et al can't find effective
uses for homeopathic preparations, why should I trust a clerk at
a GNC assuring me that their green goo is good?

Like I said, next time you get cholera, see a homeopath.

 See MEMORY OF WATER  page 26 for the second curve, which is
 Hahnemanns 'spirit essense"

Ah, "spirit essense" - to claim it, and to establish it, are rather
different endeavors. Demonstrate the existence of 'spirits', then
demonstrate that water has 'spirit', then show that water has a
"spirit essense" and 'memory', then produce independent replication
of these experiments, and I'll start to take such claims seriously.

 If you think only in conventional scientific terms you will give
 yourslf a headache, get frustrated and never understand..

Homeopathy is based on a doctrine.  Doctrines suck.  Science is
based on the rigorous testing of ideas - doctrines tend to fade
away under such scrutiny.  Science WILL give you a headache, but
it works.  Doctrines will soothe your mind, but won't lead you
to fruitful discoveries.  Bother.

 Loosen up your mind.

Tighten up your standards.

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Re: [CTRL] Alternative medicine

1999-09-28 Thread Taylor, John (JH)

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One of the interesting things I was reading in a medical article was that
for most common diseases for which people seek a cure(not ebola or aids or
such like), the placebo effect accounts for about 30% of the cuarive effect.
when the companies measue an effect, they meaure the difference between the
old medicine and the placebo effect.

Hence if the placebo effect is 30% and the old is say 35 % if the new
medicine is 40% curative , they talk about the drug being twice as
effective.

However I speak under correction as this is not my field of knowledge.

As an aside I listened once to a prof at medicine talking with a naturopath
about the Hays diet.
He called it nonsense but admitted that it had never been tested in
controlled experiments. The drug companies had no incentive to investigate
and the work had never been done.

John

(and'm not on the hays diet either)



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Subject: [CTRL] Alternative medicine


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I suspect there is no money (profit) in botanicals or homeopathic
preparations for llarge  firms.  They cannot be patented.   So why would a
pharmaceutical  firm even think about homeopathy and botanicals?.  And
people
have gotten used to instant relief.which allopathic chemicals can achieve..
Alternates are essentially preventatives.

Ive had a bottle of peppermint oil for ten years. At 2 drops a dose when
needed the bottle will outlive me.  Ive had a bottle of echinacea worth
$8.00
for a year and its still half full   At 3 drops a dose twice a week nobody
is
going to get rich.It works for me and my wallet.  If anyone wants to
call
that gullible its OK by me   Whether its a placebo,   immune booster  or
magic is irrelevant.  These work for me  in specific applications.

 Then we have those who want to push  applications to absurdity. Alternative
medicine works for colds, aches and pains, joints, blood pressureall the
annoying daily annoyances (but expensive).   If you break a leg or acquire
ebola...the emergency room is the place to go.  Its a matter of balance.
Choose what works for you..

 Another point:   hormone mimickers in milk ( from cattle feed additive)
point to the rise in breast cancer rates.  Washington scientists have been
iinstructed not to discuss latest findings which point to a linkl

Why?   Because Monsanto stands to lose  a bundle.?

ASU

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[CTRL] U.S. Gov Officials ready to hand USA over to Single Global Authority UN

1999-09-28 Thread Nicola Molloy

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Subject: U.S. Gov Officials ready to hand USA over to Single Global
Authority
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 02:00:40 EDT
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(sent to USCMike1's 33,104+ readers - Please repost to your own mailing
lists
and newsgroups - Thanks)

Dear Citizens, Patriots, Veterans, et al:

   Our TREASONOUS federal government officials are ready to hand over
our
once free and sovereign United States of America to a Single Global
Authority
(United Nations) controlled by the 300 modern-day rich, elite
illuminati-Builderbergers.  They are setting the stage for our
acceptance
this very moment with each speech and statement they make day after day,
week
after week, month after month, year after year.

   Here is what the New World Order elites have planned, but first
realize
that the United Nations is a NON entity, it has NO legitimate power or
existence . . . it is NOT a nation of people . . . it is ONLY a club of
very
few rich elites who have been inching toward total world control since
before
our forefathers signed the Declaration of Independence.

   Presently, the United Nations cannot legally do many of the things
they
are doing and want to do.  So they have written a 950+ page new REFORMED
United Nations Charter to be voted in during the first quarter of the
year
2000.  This will be a meeting of the Assembly of the People, which does
not
exist at the moment because that has been written in and included in the
new
REFORMED U.N. Charter.

   The meeting of the Assembly of the People will ONLY be attended by
the 300
world leaders (the Builderbergers).  Remember Hillary Clinton
representing
the United States in Switzerland a year and a half ago at that
Builderberger
meeting?  And after they vote in the new REFORMED U.N. Charter, the very
first order of business on the Agenda is to announce to the world that
since
all nations are so intricately and intimately involved financially and
economically with each other (now you know why they shoved GATT and
NAFTA
down our throats) that NO nation can hence forth consider itself to be
separate, and all nations will have to give up their sovereignty and bow
down
to the United Nations as their supreme leader.

   That is why the governments of all nations are trying to disarm all
the
civilians and close down the military bases and eliminate all military
personnel (army, navy, marines, etc.) so that the ONLY military power
will be
that of the United Nations troops.  Because if We the People are armed
they
cannot accomplish this dastardly deed!

   The new REFORMED United Nations plans on only a very few nations
resisting
giving up their sovereignty like Iraq and Iran but the United States
will be
one of the very first to bow down and turn over this land and its people
(We
the People) to the United Nations.  Already Clinton has given nearly 50%
of
the actual physical land of the United States over to the control of the
United Nations through the Biosphere Habitiats and American Heritage
Rivers
Acts which are just the beginning.

   Patriots, now is the time to prepare for the worst.  Unfortunately,
only a
very few Patriots are TRUE Patriots, as most U.S. Citizens will just go
along
with the plan as long as they have their soap operas, beer, football,
entertainment appliances, pornography, alcohol, tobacco, stupifying sit
coms,
other indulgences, and weekly paychecks.

   It will take the 2% to 7% of the Patriots to re-enact the Declaration
of
Independence and the 2nd American Revolutionary War and give a bloody
fight
to the death to try to save our nation.

   Are you one of these 2% to 7%?  If so, please contact me and let's
work
together for the good of all.

USCMike1

P.S.  Just be prepared to accept the Mark of the Beast (the 666
microchip
under the skin of the back of the hand or the forehead) or they will
starve
you out in just a few weeks.  But if you accept it you will suffer an
eternity of hell and damnation in the absence of God.  Why the back of
the
hand or the forehead you ask? Simple, the "lifetime"
(never-needs-to-be-replaced) electrical battery integrated within this
rice
grain-sized transponder operates on the principle of the thermocouple,
that
is, two dissimilar types of metal connected together in a "bank" will
create
a voltage to operate the chip if there is a temperature differential
between
the hot and cold sides of the battery.  Scientists have found that the
forehead and the back of the hand provide the greatest temperature
differential between the surface of the skin and deep inside.

   They are preparing us to accept this microchip because they have
experimented with U.S. soldiers sent to the Gulf War with these chips
imbedded in their buttocks (that way the geosynchronous satellites were
able
to tract all soldiers in the Gulf region - the government knew at all
times
where our soldiers were and who they were), and under the skin of pets,
cats,
dogs for identification 

Re: [CTRL] Israel -- WANTED: Holy Blood

1999-09-28 Thread Taylor, John (JH)

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Mr David Goldstein a geneticist at oxford university talks about a 'cohen'
genetic signature.

About 45% of Askenazic priests and 56% of Sephardic priests have the the
'cohen' signature.

This shows the story of the Askhenazi being descendants of the Khazars as
being incorrect(unless of course the Khazars were one of the lost ten
tribes)

John


As an aside, other gentic test appear to show that the Jews are more closely
related to the armenians rather than the semites.

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Extremists Launch Search for Cohens

By JAY COHEN
.c The Associated Press

JERUSALEM (AP) - An extremist group that hopes to rebuild the Jewish temple
in Jerusalem has launched a search for descendants of the priests and
caretakers of the ancient temples.

Organizers of the Second Annual Conference of the Lovers of the Temple said
Monday they would use phonebooks and public records to track down Cohens and
Levis, who could be called up for service if a third temple is built.

Those attending the conference hope to hasten the Messianic age by building
a
new temple on the site of the Second Temple, which was destroyed in 70 A.D.
by Romans quelling a Jewish revolt.

Muslims, however, decry their movement, saying it seeks to destroy Islam's
third holiest site - the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa mosques, which now
stand on the site.

The vast majority of Jews reject plans to force Muslims off the Temple
Mount.
Attempts by extremists to lay claim to the site have led to bloody clashes
with Muslims in the past. Judaism's holiest site, the Western Wall, is the
only remnant of the temple.

``Tonight we started a project in which we will be listing all Cohens and
Levis in the Jewish movement,'' said Yehuda Etzyon, head of the Hai VeKayam
-
``Alive and Well'' - organization.

The Cohens, the priestly caste in ancient times, led services at the temple.
The Levis maintained the temple and were its musicians. Their descendants
are
identified primarily through their names, including Cohen, Levy and a wide
range of derivatives.

A model of a rebuilt temple was displayed at the conference, and speakers
called for the expulsion of Muslims from the site. About 200 people attended
the conference, at Jerusalem's International Convention Center.

``One of the ideas of interest is to build a guard of Cohens and Levis, like
the guards of the King and Queen in England, so people know this is the
holiest place in Israel and not the place the Muslims stole,'' Etzyon said.

Meanwhile, tens of thousands turned out Monday at the Western Wall to mark
Sukkot, the Feast of Tabernacles. A row of Cohens, covered completely under
white prayer shawls, raised their arms to bless the crowd.

The weeklong holiday of Sukkot symbolizes the harvest season and
commemorates
the 40-year trek through the desert by biblical Israelites, from Egypt to
the
Promised Land.

Jewish men dine in huts to commemorate the simple conditions the Israelites
suffered in the wilderness.

 

 I notice that this group is NOT looking for descendants of the House of
Judah.  Or at least, they're not PUBLICLY looking for any modern inheritors
of the Seed of David.
 Each time Israel has had a monarch, since King David, it's been big
trouble ...
 Last time it offered a Davidic "MESSIAH," things turned out even WORSE.
 So Judaism would prefer to be a THEOCRATIC state, centered on Kohanim
under a High Priest.
 However, Kohanim have always found themselves at odds with the SECULAR
ruler of the Kingdom (or State), whether controlled by Jews or by foreign
conquerors.
 Prolonged conflicts invariably climaxes in the call for a "theocratic"
MONARCH.
 If the Temple WERE to be rebuilt, and staffed by Kohanim and a High
Priest, at the center of Jewish life in Israel, I "PROPHESY" that, after
only
a couple of generations,
the priests' insistence that the SECULAR government be brought "into line"
with their Temple would result in a movement to restore the monarchy as well
-- along DAVIDIC lines -- with "Messianic" overtones, for NON-Jewish
CHRISTIANS around the world.

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Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy -the second curve

1999-09-28 Thread Nicola Molloy

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Just a quick word here Dave,

I used to work for a year in a healthfood store. I know where they make
a profit, hypochonriacs. You wouldn't believe how many different things
a person will buy in the quest to feel good. I know there may be not
much money in homeopathy etc but many people will buy big pile of one
type of remedy. Whether they think the cure is vitamins, herbs, drops
whatever. They were back time after time with another shopping basket
full. A fancy coloured box with a nice drawing on the with artificial
Vit c or artifical something else etc people were like locusts. They
make trick wording so people don't know they are getting imitation
vitamins. Eg Vit C with ACEROLA, big drawing of cherries. Mostly
ascorbic acid and a teensy bit of acerola. Conned again. Personally I
think Bach flower remedies and homeopathy prob do more good.

Nicky



Dave wrote:



 It's no great cognitive leap to realize that herbs and other alternatives
 including homoeopathy are ruthlessly suppressed for a couple of reasons.
 1. many alternatives are not PATENTABLE.  (get it?)
 2. they actually WORK, and where would all the profits go without the lines
 of repeat customers?
 3. MALTHUSIANIASM is very popular among the elite.


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[CTRL] [Fwd: Fw: WND World Bank Loans $200 Million To the Chinese Army]

1999-09-28 Thread Nicola Molloy

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 Original Message 
Subject: Fw: WND World Bank Loans $200 Million To the Chinese Army
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 03:41:07 -0700
From: "Deuce" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 2:35 AM
Subject: WND World Bank Loans $200 Million To the Chinese Army


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_smith/19990928_xcsof_squandered.shtml

Newly declassified documents, forced from the U.S. Commerce
Dept. by a Federal lawsuit, shows that $200 million in World
Bank loans for a "Technology Development Project" actually went
to weapons research labs and businesses wholly owned by the
Chinese Army.  The documents reveal that World Bank loans were
used to modernize the Chinese Army Defense Industry.

"The objective of the project is to support the (Chinese)
Government's continuing reforms in technology policy and
institutions so as to promote the development of clear,
productivity-enhancing technologies in China's industries,"
states a 1995 report written by the Industry and Energy
Operations Division of the World Bank.

According to the World Bank report, "the (Chinese) Government
will pass on US$194.3 million of the loan proceeds through SPC
(State Planning Commission) to eligible sub-borrowers in the
form of sub-loans, with the Golden China Corporation acting on
its behalf as a financial agent."

"The first component is designed to assist in transforming part
of the research and development (RD) establishment into
market-responsive technology development corporations," states
the World Bank report.  "This component would hive off the most
dynamic technology development and service-oriented elements of
existing research institutions to create - - through a
competitive selection process - - new, market-oriented entities,
called Engineering Research Centers (ERCs)."

"The second component comprises complementary investments in
improving technology public services, including:  (i) the
modernization of the National Institute of Metrology and (ii) a
technical assistance program for a Productivity Center as well
as for several training activities."

However, according to the Defense Dept., "Golden China
Corporation" and many of the so-called "Engineering Research
Centers (ERCs)" supported by the World Bank loans were actually
owned and operated by the Chinese Army unit COSTIND (Chinese
Commission for Science, Technology, and Industry for National
Defense).  For example, the World Bank provided:

- $5 million to the Northwest Institute for Nonferrous Metal
Research for "rare earth materials" used in "chemical,
aviation," and "nuclear power stations."  The Northwest
Institute for Nonferrous Metal Research is part of the China
National Nuclear Corporation (CNNC), producer of all nuclear
weapons for the Chinese Army.

- Over $5 million to the Harbin Research Institute for "welded
steel products" used in "aviation" and "ship building."  Harbin
was identified by the Dept. of Defense as a Chinese Army front
used to purchase Allied Signal turbo-fan engines for the
People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) in 1996.

- Over $4 million to the Marine Design  Research Institute of
China for "ship design software and services."  The Marine
Design  Research Institute is part of the China National Ship
Building Corp. and the primary design facility for all Chinese
warships, including nuclear powered submarines.

- Over $4 million to the Nanjing Radio Factory for
"audio/visual" products used in "T.V.s, satellite equip.,
radios, CD players, etc."  The Nanjing Radio Factory is owned
and operated by the Chinese Army.  The factory produces a wide
variety of electronics for the PLA including CRTs, satellite
equipment, and secure military radios.

- $3 million to Xi'an Jiatong University for "fluid machinery"
research used in "turbo-compressors".  Xi'an Jiatong University
was identified by the Dept. of Defense as a major research
center for the Chinese Army, sharing facilities with the PLA
chemical and biological weapons facilities that are located
nearby.

The Chinese Army loans from the World Bank also financed several
money making ventures for the Chinese Army.  For example, the
World Bank provided $5.5 million to the "China Textile Academy"
for "productivity enhancement."

The World Bank was joined by "Foreign  Domestic Partners" also
seeking to improve the PLA textile production such as "Toray
(Japan); Dupont (U.S.); Bermag (Germany), the Textile Academy in
Russia; and the Wool Bureau of New Zealand."

Even the World Bank could not avoid the fact that Chinese
workers are being exploited under harsh conditions by the
Chinese Army.  The World Bank report notes that "one-third" of
the "11,000" textile firms associated with the China Textile

Re: [CTRL] Israel -- WANTED: Holy Blood

1999-09-28 Thread Nicola Molloy

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The majority of Jews are said to be type B blood too.

Nicky

"Taylor, John (JH)" wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 Mr David Goldstein a geneticist at oxford university talks about a 'cohen'
 genetic signature.

 About 45% of Askenazic priests and 56% of Sephardic priests have the the
 'cohen' signature.

 This shows the story of the Askhenazi being descendants of the Khazars as
 being incorrect(unless of course the Khazars were one of the lost ten
 tribes)

 John

 As an aside, other gentic test appear to show that the Jews are more closely
 related to the armenians rather than the semites.


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Re: [CTRL] Secret Essene Dead Sea Scroll

1999-09-28 Thread C Davis

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This trip thru Heaven sounds like a book I read by  TV preacher.He took a
trip to Heaven to with an Angel...

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Re: [CTRL] Monsanto and water-resource plotting

1999-09-28 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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 Joshua2

 Please when youve figured out how to tackle Monsanto let us
 know.!!..there is a world wide waiting audience out there.  Not only the
 Europeans but Australasia and India.as well.  Monsanto is a global skunk at
 the moment

 This would be a blow to NWO and the Strobe Talbott's in Washington where it
 hurts..the bottom line.  This makes for unhappy shareholders.

It's not just Monsanto. It's all US based corporations.

I have the framework. Now I need to flesh it out with some details. I'm trying
to get some specific info now. To do that, I need to talk to * shudde *
lawyers who won't bill me.

Joshua2

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[CTRL] Maurice Strong - THE ONE WORLD CHURCH IS HERE!

1999-09-28 Thread Nicola Molloy

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http://www.prophezine.com/search/database/is46.3.html

I took the preaching out but this gives an overview of what big bro has
plans for us to be sheeple - all thinking the same and worshiping gaia
under the control of UN. Amazing how many people of power putting energy
into this.

Nicky




   A

   The First Religion and Cultural Diversity Conference,
Melbourne,
 July 1997

 by W. B. Howard,
 Sunshine Coast, Queensland, Australia.

 REPORT NUMBER ONE.

 THE ONE WORLD CHURCH IS HERE!


 MAURICE STRONG, New Age leader who headed the NWO Earth Summit,
was in Australia; the Archbishop
 of Canterbury, Dr. George Carey was in Melbourne to open the
Multicultural Conference; Cardinal Francis
 Arinze, tipped by many to be the next Pope of the Catholic
Church, was at the Religious Conference in
 Melbourne. The Governor General of Australia, Sir William
Deane, was in attendance at The Religion and
 Cultural Diversity Conference in Melbourne.

 Many political big names gathered there also. A profusion of
religious leaders came together, Anglican and
 Catholic Archbishops in purple and scarlet, Buddhists in
saffron robes, Islamic leaders, Greek Orthodox
 priests, Jewish Rabbis, Quaker leaders, World Vision
representatives, Salvation Army officers, Uniting
 Church ministers, the Church of Christ was represented - many
others. (A list can be sent of presenters and
 delegates for those interested...will be Online soon)

 The Australian Multicultural Foundation, executive director,
Mr. Hass Dellal, the President/Moderator of the
 World Council on Religion and Peace, took a lead role in the
three day and two night conference. We were
 given a glamorous cocktail reception at Parliament House on the
Monday night!

 The actual program planning committee comprised:

  The Hon.Sir James Gobbo AC, the Governor of Victoria (Then
Australian Multicultural Foundation 1988 - April 1997); Mr. B.(Hass)
Dellal
OAM, Australian Multicultural Foundation; Dr. John Bodycomb OAM, World
Conference on Religion and Peace Australia; Professor Desmond Cahill,
Royal  Melbourne Institute of Technology; Dr. Fiona Hill, World
Conference on Religion and Peace Australia; Rev. John Baldock (1996),
World Conference on Religion and Peace.

 Supporting sponsors were:

  Victorian Multicultural Commission
  The National Australian Bank
  The University of Melbourne
  State Government of Victoria.

 Members and Signatories of the Australian Multicultural
Foundation include:

  The Hon.Mr John Howard MP (Prime Minister of Australia)
 The Hon. Mr. Kim Beazley MP (leader of the Opposition).

 NEW AGE

 The New Age international organizations "Conflict Resolution
Network" and "Unity and Diversity Council"
 took center stage during proceedings. The conference finished
on the recommendation that we should all
 listen to one another, those in other religions, and we should
all listen to the NEW AGE! Perhaps the strange
 spiritual darkness of that conference can be grasped in the
"Prayer of Togetherness" at the Religion and
 Cultural Diversity Conference Dinner. The lights were dimmed,
there was only the illumination of one candle
 at each table, approximately 250 dignitaries and delegates
bowed together, to the words of this "prayer":

  "Let us focus on the candle, the small quivering fire the
light in the darkness, the call to
  evening prayer, the call to thanksgiving.for our
togetherness for our unity, as sons and
  daughters of the earth in this vast and ancient land, this
sacred soil of the Dreamtime.

  In the presence of the ineffable Other, the Holy Being of
Infinity, the Numinous Beyond, the
  One and the Ultimate, the Alpha and the Omega, the Unknown
and the Unknowable, Lord of
  the Cosmos, Center of Creation God, the God of power and
righteousness. We pray to you in
  the immensity and grandeur of the world (et al)."

 NO RELIGION KNOWS GOD

 As the above prayer shows, the conference speakers were in
total agreement that no religion knows God,
 that God is unknowable! These religious "holy men" agreed that
God was the "unknown" and
 "unknowable", and these were presented as the Godly leaders of
the new global spirituality which will unite
 the planet in the next Millennium. How remarkable this is! Yet
a simple believer in the Lord Jesus Christ,
 regenerated, washed in the Blood of the Lamb, sitting in their
midst, can cry from a heart filled with gratitude -
 I KNOW GOD, through my relationship with the Precious Savior
Jesus Christ, God's Son.

  

Re: [CTRL] Open Letter to the Law

1999-09-28 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 09/28/1999 1:37:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 n recent years, the ABA increasingly has become an advocacy organization
 for a variety of left-wing political causes including: support for race-
 and gender-based affirmative action programs, opposition to tort reform,
 support for federal gun control measures and
 continued federal funding of abortions, universal health insurance, and
 funding for the Legal Services Corporation and the National Endowment for
 the Arts.  Despite protests from many members that its support for these
 causes has nothing to do with the advancement of the legal profession, the
 ABA has continued to take official policy stances on such controversial
 matters. 

Wow, the ABA must be a better organization than I knew.  Prudy

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[CTRL] NEW KOSOVO HOUSE HEARINGS!

1999-09-28 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic, Secretary General

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===
The Committee for National Solidarity
Tolstojeva 34, 11000 Belgrade, YU
Please distribute this.  It should be on antiwar.com by morning.  It is now
at http://www.emperors-clothes.com/misc/newhouse.htm  if you need a url
-- jared

New House Hearings on Kosovo
by Karen Talbot

The International Relations Committee of the U.S. House of Representatives
is
holding a hearing on Kosovo Tuesday, September, 28,1999.

I urge everyone to contact members of the Committee to let them know about
our outrage over the U.S./NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, with its death,
destruction and terrible aftermath of radiation from depleted uranium
weapons, the thousands of cluster bomblets scattered across the countryside,
and the appalling long-lasting destruction of the environment.

Children have been the first victims and will continue to die and suffer
under the harsh economic sanctions imposed on Yugoslavia. Let us express our
opposition to the ongoing policies of sanctions and destabilization,
including those regarding Kosovo itself.

The UN resolution on Kosovo, as limited as it is, is being blatantly
violated
daily by (1) the U.S./NATO condoning and thereby aiding in the killing and
"ethnic cleansing" of more than 200,000 Serbs from Kosovo as well as Romany
people and anyone who opposes the fascistic KLA (including many ethnic
Albanians); (2) by their refusal to demilitarize the KLA (under one pretext
or another); (3) by violating the sovereignty of Yugoslavia, which the
resolution pledges to uphold. This is being done in many ways such as
establishing a separate currency, border guards, allowing the takeover, and
moving towards the privatizing, of public enterprises, including valuable
mines, factories, hospitals, etc.

In outright violation of the UN resolution, there is now open aknowledgement
that the U.S. is supporting independence for Kosovo, something that has
always been denied, although many of us understood that this was on the
agenda.

We urge that you to demand the sanctions be lifted, the UN resolution be
upheld fully, and reparations be extended to the Yugoslav people who so
desperately need basic necessities-- food, medicines and the means to
rebuild
their infrastructure and factories.

The legal suit brought by Congressman Campbell, and other Members of
Congress, charging the Clinton Administration with violating the U.S.
Constitution by not obtaining the consent of the Congress for the war
against
Yugoslavia, will be heard in Appellate Court on October 22. We urge you to
express to the Members of the Committee all-out support for that legal
action.

Please send messages email and fax at least the Chair and Ranking democrat,
plus the fax numbers for the Democrats and the Republicans. Below are all
the
email adressses available. (Also some individual phone and fax numbers have
been listed-if you want to call or fax individuals--there has been no time
to
list all of them.)

U.S. House of Representatives

International Relations Committee --

Committee Members

Chairman : Benjamin A. Gilman(R-NY)202-225-3776, fax:202-225-2541

Ranking Democratic Member: Sam Gejdenson, T: 202-225-2076 Fax:202-225-4977

Republican Members ---Fax 202-225-2035

William F. Goodling, PA-202-225-5836 Fax: 202-226-1000

James A. Leach, IA-203-225-6576 Fax:202-226-1278
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Kevin Brady, TX

Richard Burr, NC

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Tom Tancredo, CO Democratic Members-Fax: 202-226-3581

Tom Lantos, CA

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Matthew G. Martinez, CA

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Pat Danner, MO

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Jim Davis, FL

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Joseph M. Hoeffel, PA





Secretary General
Mrs. Jela 

Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy Hit Piece..reply

1999-09-28 Thread Tenorlove

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You could easily discover that homoepathy in the U.S. was subjected
to
the same sort of pressure by the AMA and the pharmaceutical industry
that they were BUSTED for w/regard to Chiropractic. You might begin to
imagine that MONEY IS the issue, and HEALTH is not- healthy people will
not PAY THROUGH THE NOSE for expensive pharmaceuticals, and so- MUST
NOT have access to alternatives in order for the drug industry to
flourish.

Ditto for midwifery. To the obstetrician, a midwife is competition, so
they put forth the disinfo that medicated, even surgical births
(episiotomy and C-section) are always safer than a natural, relaxed
birth. And the obstetricians get a lot of money from the drug companies
to push formula over breastfeeding. Best book I've seen on the subject:
Milk, Money  Madness: The Culture  Politics of Breastfeeding by Naomi
Baumslag  Dia Michels (Bergen  Garvey, 1995).
__
Do You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Re: [CTRL] For women--danger in feminine products

1999-09-28 Thread TenebrousT

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In a message dated 9/28/99 4:58:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 However I have heard that the cig companies put opium in the cigarette
papers
 to
  get people addicted to smoking. Also that the tobacco is genetically
 enhanced to
  be really full of nicotine. Now for the killer,  I have read that the
plants
 get
  aluminium fertilizer to help with the depopulation program. Also that the
 3rd
  world countries in exchange for aid from US have to take cigarette
imports.
 But it
  is awhile since I saw anything about cigarettes so will see if anything
new
 turns
  up. So this is from memory. But if anyone else could elaborate that would
be
 great
  too.

  Nicky

Let's not forget radioactive waste, which is sold as fertilizer for
tobacco companies.

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Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy Hit Piece..reply

1999-09-28 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Homoeopathic remedies cost nearly nothing to make.
 They aren't patentable.
 They FAR outperform poisonous petrochemical based pharmaceuticals.

Thus if they worked, they'd be ideal products for the generic drug
industry - y'know, the firms that make wait until patents expire,
that pump out zillions of pharmaceutical clones, OTC pain-killers,
the vast bulk of our self-applied remedies.  There's more to the
pharmaceuticals business than just developing and patenting brand-
name drugs.  CibaGeigy may not be interested in selling usable
homeopathic preparations (HPs), but a host of other chemical labs
WOULD be so inclined - IF said HPs were shown to work, and were
marketed to mainstream consumers.

 You could start by discovering that Homoeopathy is one of 4 equally
 respected forms of medicine in India, somewhat ahead of "western"
 medicine.

And life expectancy in India is about 49 years, rather less than in
countries practicing western medicine.  That's the problem with the
old 'medical' traditions - patients tend to die young.  Bother.

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[CTRL] Recovering the Family Skeleton--Humor

1999-09-28 Thread Tenorlove

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You are working on your family genealogy and for sake of example, let's
say that your great-great uncle, Remus Starr, a fellow lacking in
character, was hanged for horse stealing and train robbery in Montana
in 1889.

A cousin has supplied you with the only known photograph of Remus,
showing him standing on the gallows. On the back of the picture are the
words:

"Remus Starr: Horse thief, sent to Montana Territorial Prison, 1885.
Escaped 1887, robbed the Montana Flyer six times. Caught by Pinkerton
detectives, convicted and hanged, 1889."

Pretty grim situation, right? But let's revise things a bit. We simply
crop the picture, scan in an enlarged image and edit it with image
processing software so that all that is seen is a head shot.

Next, we rewrite the text:
"Remus Starr was a famous cowboy in the Montana Territory. His business
empire grew to include acquisition of valuable equestrian assets and
intimate dealings with the Montana railroad. Beginning in 1885, he
devoted several years of his life to service at a government facility,
finally taking leave to resume his dealings with the railroad. In 1887,
he was a key player in a vital investigation run by the renowned
Pinkerton Detective Agency. In 1889, Remus passed away during an
important civic function held in his honor when the platform upon which
he was standing collapsed."
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Do You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #1

1999-09-28 Thread ric carter

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SkeptiNews 990928a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No Yetis were harmed to produce this bulletin. But we're working on it.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Lost America At Night: http://www.designshed.com/lostframe.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Ex-porn queen, now Italy MP, was commie spy. BUDAPEST, Hungary (AP) - A
  former Hungarian pornography star who is currently a member of Italy's
  parliament had been a communist spy in her youth, she said on TV. Ilona
  Staller, better known as Cicciolina, the star of countless porno movies,
  said she was 19  working as a waitress at a major international hotel in
  Budapest when she was recruited. Staller, 47, said she received no special
  training to work as a spy, but was told which hotel guests to talk to and
  what to ask. She continued the work for a few years before emigrating to
  Italy. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561345735-b21

: Have you ever spied for communists, capitalists, aliens, me? Was porn your
"cover?" Did you get special training? Did you need the money? Are you hot?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ CIA/SOC Death Squad Activity in 1996.  A description of the methods used
  by the CIA to harass and torture citizens. Contains keys words, key names,
  selected bibliography.  http://www.visitations.com/mindnet/MN12.HTM

@ Mind Control  the Secret State - CIA experimentation on unwitting victims
  with Remote Viewing, electromagnetic manipulation, etc. With sidebar on
  Mind Control and the Internet. http://visitations.com/mindnet/mn14.htm

: What's your favorite mind-control technique? Do you like experimenting on
unwitting victims? Are they easier to get than volunteers? Are they funny??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Younger Universe? (NASA) The Bouncing Baby Universe: New research by
  astronomers using the Hubble Space Telescope indicates that the Universe
  is only 12 billion years old. This could revive the old paradox in
  astrophysics that the Universe appears younger than some of the stars
  in it. http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast27sep99_1.htm

: Are you younger than your component parts, younger than you seem, older
than you wish? Does age grant wisdom or decrepitude? Is the universe tired?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

% VISITATIONS - ALIEN  GOVERNMENT ABDUCTIONS - The Controllers: A New
  Hypothesis of Alien Abduction: http://www.visitations.com/cannon/
@ The Controlers: http://www.visitations.com/cannon/controlers.htm
@ MIND CONTROL  ABDUCTIONS: http://visitations.com/cannon/abductions.htm
@ THE PRE-HISTORY OF MKULTRA: http://www.visitations.com/cannon/mkultra.htm
@ Project Monarch - Tangled Web: http://visitations.com/cannon/monarch.html
@ ROSWELL: Truth  Consequences: http://visitations.com/cannon/Roswell.htm

: Have you been abducted lately? Were you abducted by govt agents, aliens,
corporate reps, thrill-seekers, mafiosi, robots? Are you controlled? How?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# RADIOACTIVE WASTE RISING IN HANFORD TANK, BUT EXPLOSION SAID UNLIKELY. A
  vast waste tank at the Hanford nuclear reservation in Yakima, Washington,
  that used to "burp" gas has a new problem: The radioactive goop inside has
  risen like bread dough. While the development within the million-gallon
  tank has provoked concerns about a possible explosion or contamination,
  managers at the DoE site in south-central Washington say both scenarios
  are unlikely. Uh-huh. http://cnn.com/US/9909/28/yakima.nuclear.blob.01.ap/

: Does rising, frothing, seething nuke waste worry you? Do you live anywhere
near Hanford? Are you packing up to leave? Will the catastrophe be vivid??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ THE ONE WORLD CHURCH IS HERE! NEW AGE; NO RELIGION KNOWS GOD; NO RELIGION
  CAN CLAIM ABSOLUTISM; INTERFAITH INSTRUCTION MUST TAKE PLACE; FUNDAMENTAL-
  ISM ATTACKED THROUGHOUT; WHAT IS THE WORLD COUNCIL ON RELIGION AND PEACE?
  http://www.prophezine.com/search/database/is46.3.html

: Is one world church enough, too much, insufficient, irrelevant? Know God
or no god? Is your belief system absolute? Is your belief system attacked??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Next Century America Will Not Exist In Current Form, "All States Will
  Recognize A Single, Global Authority." US Deputy Secretary of State Strobe
  Talbott thinks the United States may not exist in its current form in the
  21st Century - because nationhood throughout the world will be obsolete!
  Globalism triumphant: http://www.sightings.com/politics4/talbott.htm

: Is one world authority enough, too much, insufficient, irrelevant? In a
world that's totally wired, are borders meaningful? Is your nation obsolete?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Peering into the heart of a Crab - A brilliant ring around a cosmic power-
  house at the heart of the Crab Nebula is revealed in new images from the
  Chandra X-ray Observatory. The Crab is one 

[CTRL] Fwd: WND World Bank Loans $200 Million To the Chinese Army

1999-09-28 Thread Kris Millegan





http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_smith/19990928_xcsof_squandered.shtml

Newly declassified documents, forced from the U.S. Commerce
Dept. by a Federal lawsuit, shows that $200 million in World
Bank loans for a "Technology Development Project" actually went
to weapons research labs and businesses wholly owned by the
Chinese Army.  The documents reveal that World Bank loans were
used to modernize the Chinese Army Defense Industry.

"The objective of the project is to support the (Chinese)
Government's continuing reforms in technology policy and
institutions so as to promote the development of clear,
productivity-enhancing technologies in China's industries,"
states a 1995 report written by the Industry and Energy
Operations Division of the World Bank.

According to the World Bank report, "the (Chinese) Government
will pass on US$194.3 million of the loan proceeds through SPC
(State Planning Commission) to eligible sub-borrowers in the
form of sub-loans, with the Golden China Corporation acting on
its behalf as a financial agent."

"The first component is designed to assist in transforming part
of the research and development (RD) establishment into
market-responsive technology development corporations," states
the World Bank report.  "This component would hive off the most
dynamic technology development and service-oriented elements of
existing research institutions to create - - through a
competitive selection process - - new, market-oriented entities,
called Engineering Research Centers (ERCs)."

"The second component comprises complementary investments in
improving technology public services, including:  (i) the
modernization of the National Institute of Metrology and (ii) a
technical assistance program for a Productivity Center as well
as for several training activities."

However, according to the Defense Dept., "Golden China
Corporation" and many of the so-called "Engineering Research
Centers (ERCs)" supported by the World Bank loans were actually
owned and operated by the Chinese Army unit COSTIND (Chinese
Commission for Science, Technology, and Industry for National
Defense).  For example, the World Bank provided:

- $5 million to the Northwest Institute for Nonferrous Metal
Research for "rare earth materials" used in "chemical,
aviation," and "nuclear power stations."  The Northwest
Institute for Nonferrous Metal Research is part of the China
National Nuclear Corporation (CNNC), producer of all nuclear
weapons for the Chinese Army.

- Over $5 million to the Harbin Research Institute for "welded
steel products" used in "aviation" and "ship building."  Harbin
was identified by the Dept. of Defense as a Chinese Army front
used to purchase Allied Signal turbo-fan engines for the
People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) in 1996.

- Over $4 million to the Marine Design  Research Institute of
China for "ship design software and services."  The Marine
Design  Research Institute is part of the China National Ship
Building Corp. and the primary design facility for all Chinese
warships, including nuclear powered submarines.

- Over $4 million to the Nanjing Radio Factory for
"audio/visual" products used in "T.V.s, satellite equip.,
radios, CD players, etc."  The Nanjing Radio Factory is owned
and operated by the Chinese Army.  The factory produces a wide
variety of electronics for the PLA including CRTs, satellite
equipment, and secure military radios.

- $3 million to Xi'an Jiatong University for "fluid machinery"
research used in "turbo-compressors".  Xi'an Jiatong University
was identified by the Dept. of Defense as a major research
center for the Chinese Army, sharing facilities with the PLA
chemical and biological weapons facilities that are located
nearby.

The Chinese Army loans from the World Bank also financed several
money making ventures for the Chinese Army.  For example, the
World Bank provided $5.5 million to the "China Textile Academy"
for "productivity enhancement."

The World Bank was joined by "Foreign  Domestic Partners" also
seeking to improve the PLA textile production such as "Toray
(Japan); Dupont (U.S.); Bermag (Germany), the Textile Academy in
Russia; and the Wool Bureau of New Zealand."

Even the World Bank could not avoid the fact that Chinese
workers are being exploited under harsh conditions by the
Chinese Army.  The World Bank report notes that "one-third" of
the "11,000" textile firms associated with the China Textile
Academy are small to medium size enterprises (SMEs).  The
report noted that many of the labor intensive textile
"industries are in urgent need of various properties" such as
"environmental protection" for their workers.

According to a 1997 Rand Corp. report on the Chinese Defense
Industry, the profits from PLA business ventures, such as
textile exports, are split between the PLA Generals and the
Chinese Army.  The Chinese Army profits are used to purchase
advanced weapons, build new barracks for troops and provide
medical services for the PLA officers.


[CTRL] FW:Re Homeopathy - generalised thought

1999-09-28 Thread Taylor, John (JH)

 -Caveat Lector-

Its interesting in the histtory of science, how many good ideas have been
rejected,not because of the absence of data but because of the inadequecy of
theory and the laziness and scepticism of the scientific community.

Continental drift was rejected for many years in the west because the
originator proposed tidal effects as causing it. In the east it was rejected
because it didnt fit in with dialectic materialism.

Strange claims require higher proof, but also require the scientific
community to explore with an open mind.



The same thing applies to conspiracy theories . Was the investment of SB to
totalitarian countries based on greed or on building a new order. The
correct theory will help determine what is likely to happen with in the
USA's relationship with China.

Was Waco a stupidity by the US govt or part of a long term plan to produce
the america, the land of the proles



John


Dave wrote:



 It's no great cognitive leap to realize that herbs and other alternatives
 including homoeopathy are ruthlessly suppressed for a couple of reasons.
 1. many alternatives are not PATENTABLE.  (get it?)
 2. they actually WORK, and where would all the profits go without the
lines
 of repeat customers?

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[CTRL] OEN 9/28/99

1999-09-28 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/
A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A
-

Today's Lesson from L'Assommoir (1877)

by Emile Zola


"Bitch, bitch, bitch!" screamed Gervaise, beside herself and once again
shaking all over.

She turned round and looked on the floor again, and finding nothing but
the small tub of blue, she seized that by its legs and sloshed the stuff
right in Virginie's face.

"The whore, she's done my dress in!" shrieked Virginie, who had one
shoulder soaked and her left hand dyed blue. "You wait, you slut!"

She seized a pail in her turn and emptied it over Gervaise. Then a
battle royal was joined. They both ran along the rows of tubs, picked up
full pails and ran back and threw the contents at each other's heads.
Each deluge was accompanied by screams. Now Gervaise was answering back,
too.

"One for you, you filthy bitch . . . you got that one all right. That'll
cool your arse for you!"

"You old cow! Here's one for your filth--have a wash for once in your
life!"

"All right, all right, I'll soak the salt out of you, you lump of dried
cod!"

"And here's another! Clean your teeth and doll yourself up for tonight's
trade on the corner of the rue Bellhomme!"
=

Gold Market

Gold Price Jumps as Central Banks Abstain

It's now only $100 above the marginal cost of production.

LONDON - The price of gold surged more than 6 percent Monday, its
biggest jump in 14 years, after European central banks surprised the
market by announcing that they would limit their annual bullion sales to
try to stabilize the price of the metal.
In London trading, gold for immediate delivery jumped $17.35 at one
point to reach $286.50 an ounce. It was the largest one-day gain since
March 1985 and the highest price for the metal in four and a half
months.

In the Monday afternoon fixing in London, gold was quoted at $281.10 an
ounce.

A European Central Bank announcement, released late Sunday at a
Washington meeting of the International Monetary Fund, reshaped the
troubled outlook for bullion, a store of value for centuries.

Gold had seemed destined for more sharp losses after it sank to near
20-year lows when Britain announced the sales of some 58 percent of its
reserves in May.

But one by one, the official threats to the market - in the form of huge
gold sales by the International Monetary Fund, the Swiss National Bank
and other central banks - have fallen away amid cries from mining
nations that the sales, meant in part to finance debt-relief programs,
would hurt them by lowering prices.

''The purpose of this action is to give certainty to the gold market,''
said Wim Duisenberg, president of the European Central Bank. Central
banks who hold ''a substantial part'' of their reserves in gold are also
concerned about ''keeping the value of that gold where it is,'' he said.


Under the agreement, the banks will sell no more than 400 tons a year
for the next five years, most of which will come from already announced
plans for sales by Britain and Switzerland. Of the 2,000 tons to be
sold, about 300 tons will come from banks who have decided to sell but
not yet announced their intentions, Mr. Duisenberg said.

The annual amount is larger than the 315 tons sold by central banks
yearly on average during the past decade, according to Gold Fields
Mineral Services Ltd., a consulting firm. Still, the statement removes
speculation over the fate of European reserves, analysts said.

The price of gold dropped more than one-third between February 1996 and
August of this year as a spate of sales by countries including Belgium,
the Netherlands, Australia and Argentina heightened concern that central
banks worldwide wanted to unload their holdings, which amount to more
than a fifth of all above-ground stocks.

In July, between 5,000 and 10,000 South African gold miners and their
employers, arch-enemies during apartheid, marched together on the
British and Swiss embassies in the capital, Pretoria, to protest central
bank gold sales.

John Slater, an economist at National Westminster Bank Group, said the
announcement ''obviously puts a floor now under the price.''

Together, the European Central Bank, the 11 national central banks in
the euro zone and the Swedish, Swiss and British central banks control
about half of the world's official gold reserves. Their decision
effectively removed lingering fears of major official sales.

Other key holders of gold reserves do not plan sales. The world's
largest holder is the United States, with 8,139 metric tons, which has
not proposed selling reserves. It is followed by Germany with some 3,500
metric tons and the IMF with 3,200 metric tons.

''I think we will see $300 gold this year,'' a Chase Manhattan
precious-metals analyst, Martin Fraenkel, said. ''It may come slowly, it
may come quickly. I think we are in a new environment for gold now.''

Rhona O'Connell of 

[CTRL] When Nixon Met Elvis

1999-09-28 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://www.strategicintel.com/burrows.htm
A HREF="http://www.strategicintel.com/burrows.htm"When Nixon Met Elvis/A
-
When Nixon Met Elvis
(Secret Agent Man)



Elvis Presley met President Richard M. Nixon in the Oval Office in
December 1970. A photograph of that meeting is one of the most famous in
our collection. Through the original letters and memorandums written by
Presley and the White House staff, this exhibit tells the
behind-the-scenes story of how the meeting was arranged. In addition, we
present for the first time all 28 photographs taken of this remarkable
event.


The Letter

On the morning of December 21, 1970, Elvis Presley personally delivered
a letter to the northwest gate of the White House. Written on American
Airlines stationery, the five-page letter requested a meeting with
President Nixon. Presley intended to present the President with a gift
of a World War II-era pistol and obtain for himself the credentials of a
federal agent in the war on drugs.
Page 1 of Presley's LetterDear Mr. President.
First, I would like to introduce myself. I am Elvis Presley and admire
you and have great respect for your office. I talked to Vice President
Agnew in Palm Springs three weeks ago and expressed my concern for our
country. The drug culture, the hippie elements, the SDS, Black Panthers,
etc. do NOT consider me as their enemy or as they call it The
Establishment. I call it America and I love it. Sir, I can and will be
of any service that I can to help The Country out. I have no concern or
Motives other than helping the country out.

ELVIS PRESLEY'S LETTER CONTINUES . . .


Presley's letter was delivered to President Nixon's appointments
secretary, Dwight Chapin. Chapin immediately wrote a memo to the
President's chief of staff H. R. Haldeman requesting time on Nixon's
schedule and outlining the nature of the proposed meeting.
Part 2: The Meeting is Arranged
Part 3: In the Oval Office




Citations and Credits
All photographs and textual documents used in When Nixon Met Elvis were
reproduced from the original records in the custody of the Nixon
Presidential Materials Staff (NLNP), National Archives at College Park,
MD. A general description of the Oval Office photographs in this exhibit
are available in the NAIL database as "Photographs of President Nixon
and Elvis Presley." The quotation from the book The Day Elvis Met Nixon,
copyright © 1994 by Pejama Press, is used with permission. Special Note:
Photographs included in this exhibit were taken by a White House
photographer, transferred to NARA as part of the materials under the
Presidential Recordings and Materials Preservation Act, and are
considered by NARA to be in the public domain. However, the estates of
Richard Nixon and Elvis Presley may claim rights in their likenesses and
images, and further use of these photographs may be subject to those
claims. Anyone who intends to download these images and use them
commercially should first contact the appropriate representatives of
former President Nixon or Mr. Presley or consult with his own legal
counsel.
 =
National Archives and Records Administration



The Meeting is Arranged

In his memorandum to H. R. Haldeman, aide Dwight Chapin described the
purpose of Elvis Presley's unexpected visit to the White House:
The thrust of Presley's letter is that he wants to become a "Federal
agent at large" to work against the drug problem by communicating with
people of all ages . . .
I suggest we do the following:

This morning Bud [Egil] Krogh will have Mr. Presley in and talk to him
about drugs and about what Presley can do. Bud will also check to see if
there is some kind of honorary agent at large or credential of some sort
that we can provide for Presley. After Bud has met with Presley, it is
recommended that we have Bud bring Presley in during the Open Hour to
meet briefly with the President . . .  Chapin also suggested that
Presley might be just the person for Mr. Nixon to speak with, if he was
interested in meeting "some bright young people" outside the government.
Next to this comment, H. R. Haldeman scrawled in pen "You must be
kidding." [You can see an image of Dwight Chapin's memorandum (129K
JPEG).]

Shortly afterward, Egil Krogh met with Elvis Presley in the Old
Executive Office Building, next to the White House. With Presley were
his two bodyguards, Jerry Schilling and Sonny West. In his book The Day
Elvis Met Nixon (1994), Krogh states that he was at first surprised by
Presley's appearance because he was not wearing the standard business
attire of male visitors to the White House:

But in his own rock star way, he was resplendent. He was wearing
tight-fitting dark velvet pants, a white silky shirt with very high
collars and open to below his 

[CTRL] Understanding the Computer Criminal

1999-09-28 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://www.strategicintel.com/slammer.htm
A HREF="http://www.strategicintel.com/slammer.htm"Selected Articles from
Back Issues/A
-
Security Awareness Bulletin 1-94





Understanding the Computer Criminal


A paper presented at the Department of Defense Computer Crime
Conference, Monterey California, 1993. (see note 1)

by Neil S. Hibler and Jim Christy



INTRODUCTION

This report introduces our readers to a nationally-based study,
currently in progress, under the auspices of Project Slammer . The
researchers involved in this work are seeking to explain what is behind
the many intentional penetrations of automated information systems and
the increasingly frequent use of computers to commit crimes. They
discuss the formation of this research program, the nature of
information gathered, and concludes with four, brief case examples.

Among the efforts undertaken by the government to combat computer crime
is a scientific study of the criminals involved. The premise of this
research is that in order to develop preventive countermeasures and
investigative solutions, there needs to be an intimate, insider's
understanding of the crime. These efforts approach the problem from the
vantage point of those most intimately aware of all that happened: the
perspective of the offenders themselves. The information sought includes
contributing factors such as the criminal's perceptions and explanations
of how and why they committed the crime.

Developing a research model

Getting one's arms around the larger issue of computer crime requires a
system by which to clearly define and categorize this type of behavior.
That was our first task for, once defined, our research design could
then address the question, "Why do people do this sort of thing, and how
can it be prevented?" These issues affected the selection of cases which
is now developing into the database from which all analyses derive.

In order to define "what" to study, a research committee was
established, consisting of computer crime investigators from across the
agencies of national government. This steering group prioritized their
interests by two categories of issues, the mind-set of the criminal, and
the spy tradecraft used.

The clear preference of the steering committee was to establish a
research base from cases that showed intentional malice. In so far as
tradecraft was concerned, their interest was to include cases in which
information systems that are in common use were violated. We wanted to
know whether there were some common techniques used. However, the
driving interest was to study cases involving novel methods and/or
applications. Together, these criteria are helping us to establish a
database that includes the most malicious cases and those reflecting the
newest violation technologies.

This initiative is also a complement to other, on-going Project Slammer
research efforts that provide anchors for comparison to other security
violations or betrayal of trust issues. For example, the established
data collection procedure employed in the study of classic espionage
(see note 2) supports this computer security study by providing a
methodology that has already proven to be successful. Included in the
information gathered by the common structured interview protocol are
details regarding the subject's life span, as partitioned by rel
ationships, family issues, education, employment, and medical condition.
One section of this inquiry details the criminal behavior, it's causes
and the efforts conducted to bring it about. Further collaborative
information is obtained from those who knew the subject at the time the
crime was being committed. These sources include work place associates
(i.e., co-workers, supervisors) as well as intimates (spouse,
girlfriends, boyfriends, co-conspirators, etc.). As additional
informants, they provide confirmation of subject's statements, and add
their own insights as to influences on the criminal behavior.

An additional source of personal information is psychological testing.
In each case, standardized examination instruments were used to measure
intellectual functioning and personality characteristics, to include
self-esteem, social skill, and mental status. Interestingly, early
attempts to measure personality features were feared to be superficial,
because often there were considerable intervals between the law-
breaking behavior and testing. What the earlier research has shown is
that those underlying personality traits that indicate high-risk, do not
change over time. Further, these features have demonstrated considerable
differences from persons who do not commit crime.

The remaining area of interest is how these subjects committed their
crimes. The structured interview itself includes a section that explores
the criminal acts and influences on them. Of course, both barriers and
impediments to the crime are of interest; the interview protocol is the
stepping off point to as full and complete 

Re: [CTRL] For women--danger in feminine products

1999-09-28 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

 -Caveat Lector-

I once posted a similar warning to my list and several days later the
customer service department of the company emailed me to state that it was
a rumor.  I found it interesting that "they" knew about the posting.  Was
it forwarded it them or do they do searches to find where this information
is being posted?

Hilary

--
 From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [CTRL] For women--danger in feminine products
 Date: Monday, September 27, 1999 7:26 PM

  -Caveat Lector-

 Got this in my email. I knew about the dioxin in white coffee filters,
 but this is news to me

 Tenorlove
 --
 Subject:  WARNING for females... (O-Sh)
 Please  pass on to as many women as possible . . .
 If you use pads, but especially if you use tampons read this and pass
 on to your friends (for the men receiving this email, please forward it
 to your friends, significant others, sisters, mothers, daughters, etc.)
 thanks! Have you heard that tampon makers include asbestos in tampons?
 Why would they do this? Because asbestos makes you bleed more . . . if
 you bleed more, you're going to need to use more. Why isn't this
 against the law since asbestos is so dangerous? Because the powers that
 be, in all their wisdom(not), did not consider tampons as being
 ingested, and
 therefore wasn't illegal or considered dangerous. This month's Essence
 magazine has a small article about this and they mention two
 manufacturers of a cotton tampon alternative. The companies are Organic
 Essentials @ (800) 765-6491 and Terra Femme @ (800)755-0212. A woman
 getting her Ph.D. at University of Colorado @ Boulder sent the
 following: "I am writing this because women are not being informed
 about the dangers of something most of us use - tampons. I am taking a
 class this month and I have been learning a lot about biology and
 woman, including much about feminine hygiene. Recently we have learned
 that tampons are actually dangerous (for other reasons than TSS). I'll
 tell you this, after learning about this in our class, most of the
 females wound up feeling angry and upset with the tampon industry, and
 I for one, am going to do something about it. To start, I want to
 inform everyone I can, and email is the fastest way that I know how.
 Here is the scoop: Tampons contain two things that are potentially
 harmful: Rayon (for absorbency), and dioxin (a chemical used in
 bleaching the products). The tampon industry is convinced that we, as
 women, need bleached white products - in order to view the product as
 pure and clean. The problem here is that the dioxin produced in this
 bleaching process can lead to very harmful problems for a woman. Dioxin
 is potentially carcinogenic (cancer-associated) and is toxic to the
 immune and reproductive systems. It has also been linked to
 endometriosis and lower sperm counts for men- for both, it breaks down
 the immune system. Last September the Environmental Protection Agency
 (EPA) reported that there really is no set "acceptable" level of
 exposure to dioxin given that it is cumulative and slow to
 disintegrate. The real danger comes from repeated contact (Karen
 Houppert "Pulling the Plug on the Tampon Industry"). I'd say using
 about 4-5 tampons a day, five days a month, for 38 menstruating years
 is "repeated contact", wouldn't you? Rayon contributes to the danger of
 tampons and dioxin because its a highly absorbent substance. Therefore,
 when fibers from the tampons are left behind in the vagina (as it
 usually occurs), it creates a breeding ground for the dioxin. It also
 stays in a lot longer than it would with just cotton tampons. This is
 also the reason why TSS (toxic shock syndrome) occurs. WHAT ARE THE
 ALTERNATIVES? Using feminine hygiene products that aren't bleached and
 that are all cotton. Other feminine hygiene products (pads/napkins)
 contain dioxin as well, but they are not nearly as dangerous since they
 are not in direct contact with the vagina. The pads/napkins need to
 stop being bleached, but obviously tampons are the most dangerous. So,
 what can you do if you can't give up using tampons? Use tampons, that
 are made from 100% cotton, and that are UNBLEACHED. Unfortunately,
 there are very, very few companies that make these safe tampons. They
 are usually only found in health food stores. Countries all over the
 world (Sweden, Germany, British Columbia, etc.) have demanded a switch
 to this safer tampon, while the US. has decided to keep us in the dark
 about it. In 1989, activists in England mounted a campaign against
 chlorine bleaching. Six weeks and 50,000 letters later, the makers of
 sanitary products switched to oxygen bleaching (one of the green
 methods available). (MS magazine, May/June 1995). WHAT TO DO NOW: Tell
 people. Everyone. Inform them. We are being manipulated by this
 industry and the government, let's do something about it! Please write
 to the companies: Tampax (Tambrands), Playtex, O.B., Kotex. 

Re: [CTRL] The Dropa Stones

1999-09-28 Thread Tatman, Robert

 -Caveat Lector-

Andrew, I would prefer articles from mainline, peer-review journals.
Pictures can be, and often are, faked or doctored. I know that just because
something appears in a professional journal is no reason to automatically
accept it, but it demands more serious attention than anything I have seen
on the HAB theory, the Dropa stones, etc. Please note that I am not
automatically ruling out a pole shift or other global catastrophe in the
geologically recent past. I have read a lot of material on catastrophism
since I first encountered *The HAB Theory* in 1976, and there is
considerable evidence that *something* happened within the lifetime of the
human race that completely disrupted life on this planet. But it demands
serious scholarly attention, not just reports in fringe-science magazines
and speculative novels, if the truth is really to be arrived at.

 -Original Message-
 From: Andrew Hennessey [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 7:22 PM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Re: [CTRL] The Dropa Stones

  -Caveat Lector-

  Eckert offers no supporting
 evidence for his "ancient mysteries," and lacking such evidence I have to
 consider the book to be pure science fiction.

 I can send you a jpeg of the dropa stones if you wish.

 Andrew

 

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2

1999-09-28 Thread ric carter

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SkeptiNews 990928b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No bulletins were harmed during production of this infinite expansion.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Barbie's New Friends: http://www.generationgirl.com/home.asp
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# IS THAT A MAGNET IN YOUR POCKET OR ... This might be the best-selling
  magnet gimmick yet - a magnet to improve male sexual performance.
  Another bogus health product pitched at America the gullible.
  http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=17642

: Is your virility potentiated, recharged, polarized by magnetism? Would you
install an electromagnet in your crotch if it improved your sex life? Have
you done so already? Does it work? Do ferrous objects fly at you? Do you
find this sexually stimulating? What's your favorite erotic ferrous object?

@ What pathetic, sad victims men are. Colorful male behavior simply masks
  hidden wounds. Nurse Faludi has you diagnosed, boys. Line up for your
  shots ... http://www.nymag.com/critics/view.asp?id=2409
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Lean mean gene machine. (BBC) A digital movie projector has been used to
  create a new cheaper gene chip to scan DNA for genes that cause disease.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_459000/459742.stm

@ Links - Texas Instruments: http://www.ti.com/
@ Affymetrix GeneChip: http://www.affymetrix.com/
@ Nature Biotechnology: http://biotech.nature.com/

: Whose genes would you like to scan? Would you like your genes scanned? Is
there anything to see? Would you rather have your genes remote-viewed? Would
your genescan make for interesting cinema? Are your genes entertaining? How?

# Sniffing out infections. An electronic nose which sniffs urine could
  dramatically cut diagnosis times for infections. Golden showers:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_458000/458836.stm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# BEEN STALKED LATELY? Studies show that 8% of women  2% of men will be
  stalked sometime in their lives. And stalkers are more intelligent than
  other crooks, sez a shrink. http://azcentral.com/news/0928domestic.shtml

: Have you stalked anyone or been stalked lately? Does stalking take more
brains than embezzlement, assault, abduction, fraud, carjacking, perjury?
Who would you most like to stalk? Who would you prefer to stalk you? Why?

@ FOUNTAINHEAD. Fans included Clark Gable, Hillary Clinton, and Alan
  Greenspan. But fans weren't enough for Ayn Rand. She longed for
  intellectual respectability: http://linguafranca.com/9909/rand.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Star wobbles under tug of planet. (BBC) For the first time astronomers
  have seen a star move in the sky under the influence of the gravity of
  a planetary companion. More than just interpersonal relationships:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_459000/459889.stm

# Also: 'Earth-sized planet' in deep space:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_446000/446360.stm
# Planet found orbiting two stars:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_424000/424001.stm
# Planet discovered orbiting Sun-like star:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_407000/407772.stm

: Does your planet influence your star? Do your planets and stars influence
you? Do you influence your stars and planets? Do they require maintenance??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Skinheads killed pal for his cannibalism chatter. Cops say the two neo-
  Nazis bludgeoned Yohann Lee beyond recognition after he started talking
  about necrophilia and cannibalism. "Apparently, the two men found his
  comments disgusting," says the D.A. Thank goodness they never met Jeffrey
  Dahmer. http://www.phillynews.com/daily_news/99/Sep/28/local/SKIN28.htm

: Do cannibals annoy you? Are you a cannibal? Are you annoying? Are you a
necrophiliac? Have you ever robbed a grave? Has your grave been robbed??

# Everything you know about the Littleton killings is wrong. Blacks and
  Christians were not targeted. There was no Trench Coat Mafia. Nobody
  died: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/09/23/columbine/index.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Scientists unveil plastic plants. (BBC) Biotech giant Monsanto says it has
  created genetically-modified plants that can grow biodegradable plastic.
  The plastic produced in the plant factories is not only biodegradable, it
  is also suitable for widespread commercial use. It is being produced in
  special types of GM oilseed rape  cress. Better living thru chemistry:
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_459000/459126.stm

@ Links - Monsanto: http://www.monsanto.com/
@ Nature Biotechnology: http://biotech.nature.com/
@ Greenpeace: http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/index.cfm

: Would you rather make plastics from plants, petroleum or animal fat? When
will intelligent plastics be developed? Are you still 

Re: [CTRL] Israel -- WANTED: Holy Blood

1999-09-28 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 9/28/99 1:29:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Each time Israel has had a monarch, since King David, it's been big
trouble ...
 Last time it offered a Davidic "MESSIAH," things turned out even WORSE.


Howdy, Can you expand on that statement?

Om
K

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Re: [CTRL] For women--danger in feminine products

1999-09-28 Thread Tatman, Robert

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From
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa111898.htm?pid=2733cob=home,
Urban Legends and Folklore:
snip
Tampons do not contain asbestos
The claims about residual dioxin in tampons may be debatable, but the claims
about asbestos are pure hogwash. Tampons do not contain asbestos and never
have. Nothing has been published anywhere to even suggest it.
I spoke with an editor of Essence magazine - which according to the email
ran a story recently about asbestos in tampons - and she informed me that
the magazine had never printed any such claims.
Dr. Philip Tierno Jr., chief of clinical microbiology/immunology at NYU
Medical Center and an expert on tampon safety issues, calls the asbestos
allegations "absurd." In a statement for the Menstrual Product Safety
http://www.mum.org/tamsafty.htm page of the Museum of Menstruation's
Website, Tierno said he knows from examining manufacturer's documents during
past toxic shock syndrome litigations that asbestos is not a component of
tampons.
As for those two "manufacturers of a cotton tampon alternative" mentioned in
the email - Organic Essentials http://www.organicessentials.com and Terra
Femme http://www.biobiz.com/terrafemme/ - they do exist and do offer
products competing with name-brand tampons, but they don't mention asbestos
anywhere in their promotional literature. The misinformation did not come
from them. We have no way of knowing where it did come from.
snip

 -Original Message-
 From: earthman [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 2:33 AM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Re: [CTRL] For women--danger in feminine products

  -Caveat Lector-

 Can anyone confirm this before I pass it on?
 I wouldn't want to waste their time with a hoax.

 Peter

 We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
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[CTRL] Fwd: *** Nitro News *** Red Alert ***

1999-09-28 Thread Kris Millegan







 Original Message 
Subject: *** Nitro News *** Red Alert ***
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:13:04 +0100
From: Para

*** Red Alert ***

Nitro News is thrilled to announce the addition of Kenn
Thomas to our outstanding team of Columnists.

Thomas is co-author of the Octopus, along with the late
Jim Keith, and is one of America's best known conspiracy
writers.

He has seven published books, a regular magazine called
Steamshovel Press, and a frequently updated website at
http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma

Thomas lectures widely and appears regularly on
television and radio programs, including Rob
McConnell's X-Zone, Sightings on the Radio, Strange
Daze and Coast To Coast AM with Art Bell.

His column, to be published exclusively each week in
Nitro News, is set to debut on Tuesday morning.

We can reveal to Red Alert subscribers a sneak-peak
paragraph in his first piece:

"There, Octopus. Come after me. I don't have the name
of the physician, but if it is with Jim's research and
if it comes into my hands, I'll out him right away.
That's what we did with Danny Casolaro's research,
taking everything that was left and finishing his book.
It has become a relay race of conspiracy writers,
trying to get out the truth about this nasty
transglobal monster before it takes us down."

Read the highly anticipated column exclusively in
Tuesday's Nitro News at http://www.nitronews.com




Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #1

1999-09-28 Thread Tatman, Robert

 -Caveat Lector-

Weeelll, I do have family in Richland...and the rising radioactive "dough"
is horribly reminiscent of the notorious explosion in the nuclear waste dump
at Chelyabinsk in the late '50s (1958??), which contaminated a wide area in
the Urals. "Indeed do many things come to pass..."

 -Original Message-
snip
# RADIOACTIVE WASTE RISING IN HANFORD TANK, BUT EXPLOSION SAID
UNLIKELY.
A vast waste tank at the Hanford nuclear reservation in Yakima,
Washington,  that used to "burp" gas has a new problem: The radioactive goop
inside has  risen like bread dough. While the development within the
million-gallon  tank has provoked concerns about a possible explosion or
contamination, managers at the DoE site in south-central Washington say both
scenarios are unlikely. Uh-huh.
http://cnn.com/US/9909/28/yakima.nuclear.blob.01.=ap/

: Does rising, frothing, seething nuke waste worry you? Do you live
anywhere
near Hanford? Are you packing up to leave? Will the catastrophe be
vivid??
snip

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[CTRL] [BRIGADE] Drudge/Buchanan on Talbott Part 1

1999-09-28 Thread Bill Richer

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Dear Brigade,

"To [the] new corporate elite, putting America first betrays a lack of
loyalty to
the company. Some among our political elite share this view. Here is Strobe
Talbott, Clinton's roommate at Oxford and architect of his Russian policy:
"All countries," said Talbott in 1991, "are basically social
arrangements...No
matter how permanent and even sacred they may seem at any one time, in
fact they are all artificial and temporary...within the next hundred
years...nationhood as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize
a
single, global authority" This is the transnational elite, our new
Masters of
the Universe"   -- Pat Buchanan

Matt Drudge has a timely column on his site -- http://www.drudgereport.com -
- "Talbott: Next Century, America Will Not Exist In Current Form..." See
below.

Thought you might want to also read what Pat had to say about Talbott in his
November 1998 address to the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations [11/98]
entitled "Free Trade is Not Free". I've attached the full text of the speech.

GO PAT GO!!
Linda



MATT DRUDGE - DRUDGE REPORT - SEPTEMBER 26, 1999

TALBOTT:  NEXT CENTURY, AMERICA WILL NOT EXIST IN CURRENT
FORM, 'ALL STATES WILL RECOGNIZE A SINGLE, GLOBAL AUTHORITY'

Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott believes the United States may not
exist in its current form in the 21st Century --  because nationhood
throughout the world will become obsolete!

Talbott, who is profiled in the NEW YORK TIMES on Monday [for the second
time in six months], has defined, shaped and executed the Clinton
administration's foreign policy. He has served at the State Department since
the first day of the Clinton presidency.

Just before joining the administration, Talbott wrote in TIME magazine -- in
an essay titled "The Birth of the Global Nation" -- that he is looking
forward to
government run by "one global authority."

"Here is one optimist's reason for believing unity will prevail ... within
the next
hundred years ... nationhood as we know it will be obsolete; all states will
recognize a single, global authority,"  Talbott declared in the July 20, 1992
issue of TIME.

"A phrase briefly fashionable in the mid-20th century -- 'citizen of the
world' --
will have assumed real meaning by the end of the 21st."

Talbott continued:  "All countries are basically social arrangements,
accommodations to changing circumstances. No matter how permanent and
even sacred they may seem at any one time, in fact they are all artificial
and
temporary."

Talbott's belief that the United States of America and other nations are
"artificial and temporary" continues to cause a rift inside of the State
Department, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

"I think we are losing sight that we work for the American taxpayer, not
Russia, not Asia," one State Department veteran told the DRUDGE REPORT
in Washington.  "Mr. Talbott is completely consumed with world order and
has alienated many career employees here.  [His] attitude borders on
obsession."

In recent months, Talbott has come under fire for his stand on Russia.  The
policy of financial and political engagement with Russia as revelations pour
forth of massive money-laundering schemes has made Talbott the target of
critics, reports John Broder at the TIMES.

"We have to be calm and steady and have a clear sense of purpose," Talbott
tells Monday's NEW YORK TIMES.

"One of my modest suggestions to the world is strategic patience. We have
to be calm and steady and have a clear sense of purpose when that dynamic
is discouraging, as it is today," Talbott explains.

Global government has proven to be slightly more complicated than one
optimist dreamed.

---

Free Trade is Not Free
by PATRICK J. BUCHANAN
Address to the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations
November 18, 1998

 This is a prestigious forum; and I appreciate the opportunity to
 address it. As my subject, I have chosen what I believe is the coming
 and irrepressible conflict between the claims of a new American
 nationalism and the commands of the Global Economy.

 As you may have heard in my last campaign, I am called by many
 names. "Protectionist" is one of the nicer ones; but it is inexact. I am
 an economic nationalist. To me, the country comes before the
 economy; and the economy exists for the people. I believe in free
 markets, but I do not worship them. In the proper hierarchy of things,
 it is the market that must be harnessed to work for man - and not the
 other way around.

 As for the Global Economy, like the unicorn, it is a mythical beast that
 exists only in the imagination. In the real world, there are only
 national economies -- Japan's that has lost its animal spirits, South
 Korea's that is deep in recession, China's which is headed for trouble,
 Brazil's which is falling, Indonesia and Russia's which are in collapse.

 In these unique national economies, critical 

[CTRL] [BRIGADE] Drudge/Buchanan on Talbott Part 2

1999-09-28 Thread Bill Richer

 -Caveat Lector-

For America to continue down this road of global interdependence is a
 betrayal of our history and our heritage of liberty. What does it profit a
 man if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own
 country?

 A third cost of the Global Economy is America's vulnerability to a
 financial collapse caused by events beyond our control. Never has this
 country been so exposed. When Mexico, with an economy no larger
 than Illinois', threatened a default in 1994, the U.S. cobbled together a
 $50 billion bailout, lest Mexico's default bring on what Michel
 Camdessus of the IMF called "global financial catastrophe."

 When tiny Asian dominoes began to fall last year, the IMF had to put
 together $117 billion in bailouts of Thailand, Indonesia, South Korea,
 lest the Asian crisis bring down all of Latin America and the rest of the
 world with it.

 In the Global Economy, the world is always just one default away
 from disaster. What in heaven's name does the vaunted Global
 Economy give us - besides all that made-in-China junk down at the
 mall - to justify having the U.S. financial system at permanent risk of
 collapse - if some incompetent foreign regime decides to walk on its
 debts?

 A fourth cost of this Global Economy is the de-industrialization of
 America and the de-Americanization of our industries. Many of our
 Fortune 500 corporations have already shed their American identity.

 When Gilbert Williamson, then president of NCR, was asked about
 U.S. workers being unable to compete in a global economy, he
 dismissed the question with this remark: "I was asked the other day
 about U.S. competitiveness, and I replied that I don't think about it at
 all. We at NCR think of ourselves as a globally competitive company
 that happens to be headquartered in the United States."

 Many companies still carry fine old American names, but their work
 forces are becoming less and less American. In 1985, GE employed
 243,000 Americans; ten years later, it was down to 150,000. IBM has
 lopped off half of its U.S. workers in the past decade. Here is author
 William Greider:

 "By 1995, Big Blue had become a truly global firm - with more
 employees abroad than at home…Intel…shrank U.S. employment last
 year from 22,000 to 17,000. Motorola's…work force is now only 56
 percent American. …Ma Bell once made all its home telephones in the
 U.S. and now makes none here."

 Boeing's Philip Condit says he would be happy if, twenty years from
 now, no one thought of Boeing as an American company.

 Here is Carl A. Gerstacker of Dow Chemical: "I have long dreamed of
 buying an island owned by no nation and of establishing the World
 Headquarters of the Dow Company on the truly neutral ground of
 such an island, beholden to no nation or society." A Union Carbide
 spokesman agreed: "It is not proper for an international corporation to
 put the welfare of any country in which it does business above that of
 any other."

 To this new corporate elite, putting America first betrays a lack of
 loyalty to the company. Some among our political elite share this view.
 Here is Strobe Talbott, Clinton's roommate at Oxford and architect of
 his Russian policy: "All countries," said Talbott in 1991, "are basically
 social arrangements...No matter how permanent and even sacred they
 may seem at any one time, in fact they are all artificial and
 temporary...within the next hundred years...nationhood as we know it
 will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority."

 This is the transnational elite, our new Masters of the Universe.

 The Cold War has been succeeded by a new struggle. "The real
 divisions of our time," writes scholar Christisan Kopff, "are not
 between left and right, but between nations and the globalist delusion."
 That struggle will shape the politics of the new century; and a familiar
 question is being asked again across America: When the commands of
 the Global Economy conflict with call of patriotism, whose side are
 you on?

 If you would see the consequences of free trade ideology, go to Detroit.
 In the 1950s this was the forge and furnace of the Arsenal of
 Democracy, with 2 million of the most productive people on earth.
 Compare Detroit then to Detroit now. Free trade is not free.

 Forty years ago, Japan exported 6000 cars. Today, Japan has as large
 a share of the U.S. auto and truck market as GM.

 How did Japan do it? Yes, they built fine cars; but the Japanese did
 not leave the outcome of this struggle for dominance in the world's
 first industry to the vagaries of the market place. The Japanese fixed
 the game.

 Japan virtually sealed off its marker to U.S. auto imports, subsidized
 its auto industry and exports, and paid its workers 15% of U.S. wages
 in factories that would have had to be shut down in the United States.
 Tokyo's political and industrial elite did not let Adam Smith dictate
 how they would play the game.

 In short, Tokyo in the 1970s 

[CTRL] CEO to CBS: Don't offend foregin governments

1999-09-28 Thread Lucio Benedetto

 -Caveat Lector-

From ABC.com

[quote]
SHANGHAI, China (AP) _ The chairman of Viacom Inc., which is  poised to take
over CBS, said today that international news  organizations should report
the truth but avoid being  "unnecessarily offensive" to foreign governments.

As they expand their global reach, media companies must be aware  "of the
politics and attitudes of the governments where we  operate," said Sumner M.
Redstone.

"Journalistic integrity must prevail in the final analysis. But  that
doesn't mean that journalistic integrity should be exercised  in a way that
is unnecessarily offensive to the countries in which  you operate," Redstone
said at a news conference.
[end quote]

This is the kind of sentiment that usually had to be inferred, stated in
private, or publicly denied.  Modern corporations are now so fearless that
such pronouncements can be made publicly and with impunity.  The triumph of
capital marches upon your rights.

Lucio

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[CTRL] [BRIGADE] GOP Fears Buchanan

1999-09-28 Thread Bill Richer

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Dear Brigade,

"Nevertheless, the indignation from Sen. John McCain and Elizabeth Dole --
talk about "retreads" -- is laughable not only because it's as reactionary as
anything Democrats are used to pulling, but because it represents the fact
that these people will grasp at anything to prevent Buchanan from "stealing"
votes they consider theirs."

Another great column from our friends at WorldNetDaily.com - fyi
GO PAT GO!!!
Linda



From:   "Loretti, Anthony J" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Copies to:  "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date sent:  Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:48:36 -0500

Linda,

Below is another excellent article from the boys at WorldNetDaily.com. The
blatant GOP attempts to slander Pat and mischaracterize his book are
transparent, not to mention dishonest and cowardly.  These are the acts of
desperate people, and I'll tell you why they are desperate:

If Pat goes Reform party, he will most likely have a double-digit standing
in the polls, right out of the gate.  Then Pat gets the matching funds he
needs to mount a full-scale national campaign, something he's never been
able to do before.  Give the voters a few months of daily exposure to
Pitchfork Pat and anything is possible!  Millions of disillusioned
citizens who have never before voted (like myself), will begin to take an
interest...  And then?
PAT BUCHANAN VS. BUSH/GORE - PRIME TIME TELEVISION DEBATES.

Linda, if we get that far, anything can happen!  NO ONE has EVER BEFORE
had the potential of energizing masses of previously non-voting citizens
like Pat can!  This HUGE factor completely INVALIDATES the "election
analysis" of all these talking heads that claim Pat can not win (are you
listening Rush?).  Pat can win!!

Go Pat Go!Sincerely, Tony Loretti

---

Jon E. Dougherty
WorldNetDaily Exclusive Commentary
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

GOP fears Buchanan

I suggested in a column a week or so ago that the "mainstream" Republican
Party was fearful of Pat Buchanan's planned bolt from the "Big Tent" to the
smaller, but certainly more energized, tent of the Reform Party. A story in
Friday's Washington Post confirmed my suspicions.

According to the Post, GOP presidential candidates and lackeys in the
"conservative" press world are busy attacking Pat because he dared to
suggest duplicity as a reason the U.S. entered World War II. The fact is he's
probably right, but he never said the U.S. should not have fought W.W.II.

Nevertheless, the indignation from Sen. John McCain and Elizabeth Dole --
talk about "retreads" -- is laughable not only because it's as reactionary as
anything Democrats are used to pulling, but because it represents the fact
that these people will grasp at anything to prevent Buchanan from "stealing"
votes they consider theirs.

Buchanan, who just released a new book questioning merely the timing of
our entry into W.W.II -- not the morality of it -- is right to assume his
candidacy worries not just the GOP mainstream but the Democrats as well.
Al Gore is, in Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan's own words, unelectable, and
Bush -- as far as millions of Americans can tell -- either doesn't stand for
anything yet or continues to support Big Government foundations that his
party used to systematically oppose.

I guess the GOP feels that anything they can do to win is all right, even if
it
means lying their tails off to get into power. Gee -- and they claim not to
be
at all similar to Democrats.

I think the real ire being vocalized by Republicans has more to do with a new
poll, also released Friday. The poll shows that some 19 percent of registered
voters would consider voting for Buchanan as a third party (presumably
Reform) candidate. "Experts" like Rush Limbaugh have already tried to parse
the meaning of this poll as insignificant -- naturally -- but they've had to
do so
by ignoring the fact that in 1992, when American voter dissatisfaction was at
its highest in recent years, ol' "crazy" Ross Perot got 19 percent of the
popular vote, after leading both "mainstream" candidates for most of the
prior
summer. Perot and "fringe element conservatives" were blamed for electing
Clinton and not George Bush in 1992 rather than Bush's lying (about taxes),
lackluster administration and his inability to solidify conservative support.
Even after Dole's pitiful 1996 performance -- with no substantial vote count
being taken from Republicans or Democrats by Perot -- Republican stalwarts
continue to blame "us defectors" for setting the GOP up to lose again in
2000. And they call us paranoid and delusional.

If I were a "mainstream party" candidate, I'd be worried about Pat Buchanan
too -- as well as a number of other GOP and independent candidates.
They're out there precisely because the two main political parties are
morally
bankrupt, ideologically challenged and aren't offering much new in the way of
throwing off the yoke of 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #3

1999-09-28 Thread ric carter

 -Caveat Lector-

SkeptiNews 990928c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No diversity programs were dismantled during production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Retro Toys: http://www.kconline.com/kurtkelsey/toys/
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# RETURN OF THE BLACK DEATH. (BBC) Climate changes  increasing globali-
  sation could bring back the diseases of the Middle Ages. The bacterium
  responsible for the Black Death which ravaged Europe and Asia between
  the 14th and 17th centuries could find its way back to Britain. Yow.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_456000/456831.stm

: What's your favorite pestilence? Have you ever been prosecuted for pesti-
lence? Have you developed a treatment for bubonic plague lately? Why not?

@ A proper utopia has great food (fruit and veggies) and no money to
  cause strife. Reason governs all and the sex is as fine as the weather:
  http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/99/09/26/stibooboo03003.html?999
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Pink Swastika http://home.earthlink.net/~lively/pinkswastika/ explains
  how homosexuals were largely responsible for Nazism. The Annotated Pink
  Swastika http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Barracks/8706/ is a good
  guide to all the errors, mistakes, and lies therein. Get it right, eh?

: Does your belief system attribute blame to humans due to their biological
makeup? Does your faith attract members with specific psychopathologies? Do
you fixate on other people's gender preferences, iconography, word patterns?

# Even before Deep Blue, computers were cleaning up at chess and checkers.
  But crossword puzzles require a subtle human touch, don't they? Really?
  http://www.sigmaxi.org/amsci/issues/Sciobs99/sciobs99-09verbalistic.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Cult to claim gas attack. (BBC) Aum Shinrikyo, the Japanese doomsday cult
  that carried out a deadly nerve gas attack on the Tokyo subway in 1995,
  ponders an apology. Sarin victims ponder mortality, retribution, shame.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_459000/459920.stm

@ Links - American Family Foundation - Aum Information:
  http://www.csj.org/infoserv_groups/grp_eastern/grp_aum/grouptopic_aum.htm
@ Aum chronology: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/news4-96/chrono4-24.html
@ Aum Shinrikyo homepage: http://www.aum-shinrikyo.com/english/index.htm
@ Japan's National Police Agency: http://www.npa.go.jp/

: Do the leaders of your doomsday cult practice mindcontrol in members? Are
you a member, a leader, a deity? What's your favorite nerve gas? Is it fun?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ The Cosmic Itching Powder - The effects of electromagnetic pollution
  on the health of humans. Appendix: suggestions for limiting your
  exposure to EMF. http://www.visitations.com/mindnet/MN112.HTM
@ Effects of 6-10 Hz ELF on Brain Waves - Effects of ELF on brain waves
  (EEG) and entrainment. http://www.visitations.com/mindnet/MN111.HTM
@ PhilDick: The Other Side. Was SF writer Philip K. Dick mind-controlled
  and do his books reflect this? http://visitations.com/mindnet/MN113.HTM

: How much mindcontrol is enough? Have you ever tried hypermindcontrol? Do
higher levels of mindcontrol produce vivid results? Are you, like, buzzed?

@ If normal coffee http://www.peets.com/ just doesn't have enough of the
  good stuff http://www.cs.unb.ca/~alopez-o/Coffee/caffaq.html, maybe
  you should try Shock http://www.shockalots.com/ brand hypercaffinated
  coffee, with 200 mg of caffeine per serving. Get the buzz on, eh?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Monuments of the world in danger. (BBC) War, the collapse of Communism
   tourism are the most serious threats to historic monuments worldwide.

@ Links - World Monuments Fund: http://www.worldmonuments.org/
@ 100 Most Endangered: http://worldmonuments.org/html/programs/watch.html

: Have you vandalized any historic/cultural/artistic monuments lately? What
monuments would you most like to destroy/deface/defile? Does your belief
system promote the destruction of your competitors' monuments? Should they
destroy yours? Would the world really be a better place without you? When?

@ Bruno Bettelheim, liar  fraud, not only blamed the Nazis' success on
  their victims, but claimed that autism was caused by "refrigerator
  mothers": http://www.best.com/~tikkun/bkbettel.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Temple Grandin http://www.grandin.com/ is perhaps the world's foremost
  designer http://www.meatpoultry.com/archives97/bestoftg.htm of cattle 
  hog slaughter houses. http://grandin.com/design/blueprint/blueprint.html
  She's also autistic http://www.autism.org/  has written several books
  about it. http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/query/(keyword="temple%20grandin")

: Have you designed any slaughterhouses lately? Do you prefer architecture
for killing birds, mammals, reptiles, fish, humans, 

[CTRL] Fw: 211-Satanism in America

1999-09-28 Thread Ric Carter

 -Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: David Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 12:51 PM
Subject: 211-Satanism in America


Post Number 211: Satanism in America
This is one of the more distasteful Posts that I will ever do.  I simply
do not like this subject, nor the people who are revealed within it.
That does not change what is, however, and what is comes directly from
the people of America, for we are guiltily; guiltily of permitting this
to exist among us.  There is no way to minimize what this Post is
about.  These people exist; they are here, and they are doing what they
do with the help and cooperation of those with the power to cover the
evil up.  It will not go away, nor will it change, until we change.
That is what Repentance is all about.

To understand this Post better, be sure you have seen Post 84, Occult
Symbolism in Washington, DC, and Post 224, Illuminati.  Satanism as
revealed herein does not exist in a vacuum; it requires active
participation by those with the power to conceal it from the people.
This includes the media, and the so-called judicial authorities.  Judge
from the evidence for yourself. - David


One of the biggest problems that no-one believes is the existence of
governmental mind control headed up by Henry Kissinger.  Male and female
sex slaves and pedophiles in congress.  The disappearance of children
and the trade in white slavery.  Where do you suppose all the missing
(kidnapped) children went?  They are sold to pedophiles world wide.
Small children are the choice.  Ages from 3 years on up.  In many cases,
infants days old.

Her Autobiography, a 400 page book, can be purchased from her for $35.00
including shipping.  Very inexpensive for the knowledge.
Brice Taylor Trust
P.O. Box 655
Landrum, SC. 29356
If you are not aware of the world of Mind Control this book will
enlighten you.  If you can't spend $35.00 to know what happened to those
missing children all across this country then don't be concerned when
your child or grandchild disappears.

I need to mention that I have read the book mentioned above (or, as much
of it as I could stomach at any rate and I warn you, it is very graphic)
and I have talked to Mr. DeCamp.  As any of you know who have read my
writings, I do not care for lawyers (I guess this qualifies as an
understatement), but, I would walk miles to shake Mr. DeCamps hand, and
tell him thank you for what he has accomplished.

One of the reasons I send this Post out is that it has a bearing on Part
XIX of my series.  This is real, my friends, and a clearer picture of
the United States than you probably want to see.  David G.

an excerpt from:
The Franklin Cover-up - Child Abuse, Satanism, and Murder in Nebraska by
John W. DeCamp(C) 1992/1996 2nd Edition
AWT Inc.
PO Box 85461
Lincoln, Nebraska 68501
-
If you haven't seen/read the second edition. There are over 100 new
pages of info.
Here is a sample.
Part II  INTRODUCTION
It is a little over four years since I, John DeCamp, wrote the words you
have just read.  My closest friend and mentor, Bill Colby, like so many
others in the Franklin case, is dead; he was fished out of a river in
front of his home, under the most questionable of circumstances, in
April 1996.  Was he killed because of his involvement in Franklin? I
don't know. What I do know, is that Bill Colby was the heart and soul of
the Franklin investigation. Although at a certain point he warned me
against investigating the case further, it was he who relentlessly
pushed to publicly expose what had already been discovered, when
everyone else, including, at times, myself, wanted to call it quits.
Without him, this book would never have been written. In the new, final
chapter of this second edition, I tell much more about my relationship
to Bill Colby, who was, in my estimation, one of the greatest patriots
this country has seen, from the time that he served as our country's
Deputy Ambassador to South Vietnam (but, in reality, as CIA Station
Chief), and recruited a young combat infantry captain named John DeCamp
to be one of his chief assistants in Operation Phoenix, right through to
his role in trying to blow open the Franklin cover-up.

I published The Franklin Cover-Up, as much as an insurance policy for
myself and my family, as for any other purpose. Colby had pointed to the
extreme danger for a person to have secret knowledge about a situation,
that others who are affected want to keep out of the public's view.
"Some people will go to any lengths to make sure things stay secret,"
Colby had often repeated to me, "which is why the CIA and the KGB
sometimes find their agents dead. Your best interest," he argued, "may
well be in publishing what you know and are able to prove, rather than
keeping those facts secret.  Whether you ever sell a single book or not
does not really matter. Putting your information on the public record is
what is important.  That way, there is no logical reason to 

[CTRL] Get a Chip Implant, avoid all those long lines!!!

1999-09-28 Thread Stopforth, Jamie

 -Caveat Lector-

http://www.msnbc.com/news/316518.asp?cp1=1


Why you should get a chip implant

Capabilities would make life so much better - or would they?

OPINION
By Paul Somerson, PC Computing
ZDNN

Sept. 27 - How'd you like to avoid waiting in lines for the rest of your
life? Breeze through everywhere like you owned the place. Watch lights snap
on, doors open automatically, money pop out of ATMs as you approach. Never
have to show an ID, buy a ticket, carry keys, remember a password. You'd
leave stores loaded with packages and waltz right past the cashiers. You
wouldn't have to carry a wallet. Ever. Family and friends could find you
instantly in any crowd.










  Would you get a chip implant to take advantage of the possibilities
envisioned here?


 Yes

 No




Vote to see results





  Would you get a chip implant to take advantage of the possibilities
envisioned here?

 * 3455 responses
 Yes
 28%


 No
 72%




Survey results tallied every
60 seconds. Live Votes
reflect respondents' views
 and are not scientifically
 valid surveys.



 THERE'S ONLY ONE CATCH - you'd need to have a tiny little chip
implanted in your body. No big deal. Just ask Kevin Warwick, a British
professor who had a silicon-based transponder surgically inserted into his
forearm last year.
   You'd think from all the attention that the natty professor was
jacking chips into his brain like some cheese-ball sci-fi android. Truth is,
his modest implant simply turned him into a walking EZ-Pass.
   Warwick's gizmo - a coil of wire and a few chips embedded in a small
glass capsule about a tenth of an inch wide and a little less than an inch
long - generates a 64-bit number when zapped by an RF transmitter. A
receiver then looks it up in a database.
   Animal shelters have implanted millions of these electronic IDs in
cats, dogs, and birds. Metal tags can fall off, and tattooed numbers could
be placed anywhere and are often hard to find - who wants to play
slap-and-tickle with a snarling rottweiler?
   A lot of us carry similar mechanisms inside ID cards, to open doors.
But these can get lost, forgotten, or stolen and misused. And biometric
devices like retinal scanners and fingerprint sensors are intrusive and
imperfect.
   Besides, people have been sticking all sorts of things in their
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   Consider the benefits. It would end password PINsanity forever.
Sensors would wave chipped consumers through checkout lines and tollbooths.
Contractors would build implant-friendly homes and offices with Gatesian
gimmicks that could customize temperature, background music, and even images
on wall-size flat-screen displays as you move from room to room.
   It would help sort out newborn babies, Alzheimer's patients,
amnesiacs, comatose (or worse) accident victims, and military casualties. In
fact, there's an entire paranoid-delusional faction out there that believes
the government is already chipping soldiers and prisoners. And kidnap-prone
executives are supposedly implanting tiny Lo-Jack devices to track their
movements.
   Internal chips could measure irregular heartbeats and blood-sugar
levels in diabetics. Or, as Warwick points out, chips could sense muscular
movements so you could play air guitar, type on virtual air keyboards, move
invisible mice. And Warwick won't make a lot of new redneck friends with his
suggestion that gun buyers first get chipped before their weapons are
delivered.






   Computers are rapidly evolving into Internet terminals. When your
chip goes in, you'll be able to walk up to any terminal in any office and
log on instantly. Incoming phone calls and faxes will automatically be
routed to wherever you happen to be. Of course, employers could also log
your time in the john or at the water cooler.
   If you don't think you're already being monitored, you're naïve. Your
credit cards, telephone bills, supermarket club cards, Internet purchases
and public records like home purchases and car licenses already do a pretty
good job.
   How will they convince people to implant these chips? First, they'll
hype the convenience of leaving your keys, credit cards and money at home.
Then they'll automate everything from cash registers to tollbooths so if
you're chipped you can zoom through in a digital carpool lane.
   Me, I'll 

[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] From Oil to Baseball To the Governor's Mansion

1999-09-28 Thread Kris Millegan





html
This just in this morning, and IMHO Micah Morrison is a hell of an
investigative journalist, judging by past performance.br
br
Wall Street Journalbr
September 28, 1999br
br
Commentarybr
br
 From Oil to Baseballbr
To the Governor's Mansionbr
br
By Micah Morrison, a Journal editorial page writer.br
br
AUSTIN, Texas--In April, the office of Gov. George W. Bush released
abr
statement summarizing his 1998 taxable income. Mr. Bush had earned
overbr
$18 million, the quot;vast majorityquot; from the sale of the Texas
Rangers baseballbr
team. The governor's share of the Rangers sale was $14.9 million, his
biggestbr
payday ever.br
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Mr. Bush played a significant role in putting together thebr
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investment group that purchased the Rangers in 1989;br
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he later was named a general partner of the franchise.br
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Prior to his career in baseball, he had struggled forbr
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more than a decade in the oil business. How Mr. Bushbr
nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;
parlayed a lackluster tenure in the oil patch into a $15br
nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;
million home run and a seat in the governor's mansion isbr
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a subtle morality tale about the highways and byways tobr
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contemporary political power. Like Vice Presidentbr
nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;
Albert Gore Jr., who will be the subject of an article onbr
nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;
this page tomorrow, Mr. Bush is the son of an influentialbr
nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;
politician. Like Mr. Gore, Mr. Bush has crossed pathsbr
nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;
with some of the seamier characters who gravitatebr
toward political power. And both men--while not without pluck and
politicalbr
skills of their own--have profited from family connections.br
br
This two-part series is not a tale of smoking guns and indictable
offenses. Yetbr
voters should know the financial connections of candidates, though
theybr
probably will make their decisions on other grounds. And while the
candidatesbr
will not appreciate questions being raised about the murky areas of
theirbr
finances, the lessons of the Clinton era suggest that it is better to put
matters onbr
the table early, lest they rise Whitewater-like to haunt a new
administration.br
br
Mr. Bush's career with the Rangersbr
baseball team, for example, is likely tobr
come under intense scrutiny in the next 12br
months. In 1989, when Mr. Bush broughtbr
together his investment group to buy thebr
Rangers, the seller was Eddie Chiles, abr
longtime friend and supporter of Presidentbr
Bush. Mr. Chiles let the president's sonbr
and his group go to the head of the line.br
But in a pattern repeated through hisbr
business career, Mr. Bush's play did notbr
quite make the grade. Baseballbr
Commissioner Peter Ueberroth stepped in, brokering a deal that brought
Fortbr
Worth financier Richard Rainwater together with the Bush group. Mr.br
Ueberroth's pitch to Mr. Rainwater was that he join the deal partly
quot;out ofbr
respectquot; for President Bush, a source close to the negotiations told
the Newbr
York Times.br
br
Mr. Bush ponied up $500,000 as his personal grubstake in the $86
millionbr
purchase. He later invested another $106,000, bringing his share to 1.8%
of thebr
team. For his organizing efforts, his new partners rewarded him with
anbr
additional 10% interest. They also named him a managing general partner,
abr
move that assured Mr. Bush a series of benign cameos in the limelight as
hebr
ramped up a run for Texas governor. Mr. Bush kept a low profile as his
newbr
baseball partners aggressively and successfully lobbied for a special
referendumbr
in which the voters of Arlington, Texas, approved a sales-tax increase to
coverbr
the $135 million cost of a new stadium. Texas conservatives denounced
thebr
measure as quot;corporate welfare.quot;br
br
Mr. Bush borrowed the $500,000 for his stake in the Rangers from
Unitedbr
Bank of Midland, Texas, where he had served as a director from 1984
tobr
1986. Karen Hughes, a spokeswoman for Gov. Bush, declined to detail
thebr
terms of the loan. But she said it was a quot;fully collateralized,

[CTRL] A dumb cop is not . . . bored cop.

1999-09-28 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

Los Angeles Times
September 9, 1999
Section A

Nation IN BRIEF / CONNECTICUT
High IQ Score Keeps Man Off Police Force From Times Wire Reports


A federal judge dismissed a lawsuit by a man who was deemed too smart to
be a New London, Conn., police officer. U.S. District Judge Peter C.
Dorsey said the Police Department's rejection of Robert Jordan because
he scored too high on an intelligence test did not violate his rights.
The city's rationale for the long-standing practice is that candidates
who score too high could soon get bored and quit after undergoing costly
academy training. Dorsey said: "The question is not whether a rational
basis has been shown for the policy chosen by defendants. Plaintiff may
have been disqualified unwisely, but he was not denied equal
protection." Jordan, 48, scored a 33, the equivalent of an IQ of 125.
The average score nationally for police officers, as well as office
workers, bank tellers and salespeople, is 21 to 22, the equivalent of an
IQ of 104.

Copyright 1999 Los Angeles Times. All Rights Reserved



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Re: [CTRL] Error 404: File Not Found/Parascope

1999-09-28 Thread Sammark4

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Cany anybody help me on this?  I can hardly open anything at the
Paracsope site.  I can't even use the search.  I keep getting this:

Unable to open http://www.parascope.com/ds/documentslibrary/index.htm.
The site reports that the item you requested could not be found.


Not Found
The requested URL /ds/documentslibrary/index.htm was not found on this
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[CTRL] MER FlashBack - Diana - The Saudi Connection - Sept 1997 (fwd)

1999-09-28 Thread Yardbird

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large building with the name ADNAN KHASHOGGI writ large for all
to see. Former Arab League Ambassador Clovis Maksoud has his
office nearby. It's also quite an embarrassment however.

Once praised as an international businessman, Khashoggi is now
known to have been an international arms salesman and a swindler
working closely with the Saudi Royal family as an intermediary.
Criminal indictments and law suits galore are now associated
with his name. AU took his money before the crash, and remains
stuck with his name, though rumors abound the university has
been looking for some other wealthy patron to make a new deal
with.

The family fortune of Emad Mohamed "Dodi" el-Fayed can be traced
not to Egypt, but rather to the two sources of Muslim cash and
unbridled corruption in our era - the Saudi royal family and the
Sultan of Brunei.

Indeed, the main reason Dodi's father has been unable to obtain
British citizenship and wasn't even sure he'd be able to bury
his son in England, can be traced back to his very shady
business dealings where he repeatedly lied about the source of
his funds and on whose behalf he was acting.

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mother, the sister of Adnan Khashoggi. And irony of ironies,
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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #4

1999-09-28 Thread ric carter

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SkeptiNews 990928d - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No divinity students were dismantled during production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Get Bill: http://www.kimble.org/kimmovie/kimble_themovie.swf
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Pak Shia leader killed. (BBC) A senior leader of a prominent Shia Muslim
party in Pakistan is shot dead along with his daughter  an armed bodyguard.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_459000/459845.stm

: Have you killed any religious/political/economic/cultural/artistic leaders
lately? Are you such a leader? Should/can/will you be killed? Is assassina-
tion the main workplace hazard of such leaders? Does it come with the job?

@ Francis Bacon, asked once about the nihilistic, horrific quality of his
  paintings, was surprised. Life is terminal. Why depict it otherwise?
  http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/1999-09-02/framed.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ A curious hybrid of Hassidic and Christian culture aptly named Jews for
  Jesus http://www.jewsforjesus.org/ promotes the acceptance of Torah,
  Talmud and New Testament as divinely inspired texts. Having trouble
  discussing your new faith with Orthodox friends and horrified Jewish
  family? Jews for Jesus also offers countermemes to defend your Christian
  beliefs. http://www.jewsforjesus.org/believe/qa/4_howtothink.htm

: What's your favorite divinely-inspired text? How is a divinely-inspired
text distinguishable from a message channeled from an alien entity claiming
to be divine? Have you ever channeled any alien entities? Are they awesome?

@ 1st a sheep, now Jesus? www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/8611/page2.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Prepare for the wired human. How'd you like to avoid waiting in lines for
  the rest of your life? Breeze through everywhere like you owned the place.
  Watch lights snap on, doors open automatically, money pop out of ATMs as
  you approach. Never have to show an ID, buy a ticket, carry keys, remember
  a password. You'd leave stores loaded with packages and waltz right past
  the cashiers. You wouldn't have to carry a wallet. Ever. Family  friends
  could find you instantly in any crowd. There's only one catch-you'd need
  to have a tiny little chip implanted in your body. No big deal. Wire me
  up now: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2341891,00.html

: Do you eagerly await your admission to the Universal HumanWeb? Are you an
  incomplete person until you're wired-in? What can contribute to the hive-
  mind? Do you regret that you have but one mind to give for your species?

@ In praise of the Walkman: no, it's not an alienation device, it's
  a way to create your own unified world, both public and private:
  http://www.reasonmag.com/9910/fe.rb.personal.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Report on the Johns Hopkins/False Memory Syndrome Foundation Meeting.
  The FMSF vs. the ISS: http://www.visitations.com/mindnet/MN114.HTM
# Victims, Survivors  Anyone Else Who Cares - Victims testimony on CIA
  experiments on children: http://www.visitations.com/mindnet/MN115.HTM

@ Psychic Dictatorship in the U.S.A. The False Memory Hoax: CIA Connections
  to Mind-Control Cults. Martin Orne  the CIA's use of cults  children:
  http://www.visitations.com/mindnet/MN116A.HTM
  http://www.visitations.com/mindnet/MN116B.HTM

: Does your govt agency exploit cults? Does your cult exploit govt agencies?
Do you experiment on children? Do children experiment on you? D'ya remember?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ The Bible Believers Diet Plan: Obey it or suffer. Your body is NOT yours
  to turn into a barrel of fat. The Lord Jehovah will render your lard-ass
  in Hell, eh? http://www.balaams-ass.com/journal/theworld/uncle.htm

: Do you defile the sacred temple of your body with abominations? Are they
tasty? Will you suffer eternal torment for your transgressions? D'ya suffer
already? Are the abominations worth the suffering? Are you masochistic? Eh?

# Women's freedom was set back by the advent of domestic appliances in the
  1950s: no more servants to do the chores, no more personal domination:
  http://www.intellectualcapital.com/issues/issue286/item6257.asp
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Coming a cropper. BRITAIN'S MAMMOTH EXPERIMENT to test whether genetically
  modified crops pose a greater hazard to wildlife than conventional vari-
  eties has been thrown into disarray. In an embarrassing climbdown, the UK
  govt has admitted that the latest crops to be sown were planted illegally.
  If judges now order the crops to be ploughed up, the disruption could ser-
  iously delay the four-year, £3.3 million trial. But there's plenty more
  tax money available: http://newscientist.com/ns/19990925/newsstory2.html

: Have you conducted any illegal experiments lately? Do'ya prefer to perform
experiments on 

[CTRL] CLINTON DOUBTS FBI'S MOTIVES Suggests Focus On China Gifts Hides Waco Woes

1999-09-28 Thread Mack White

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NATIONAL ISSUE

CLINTON DOUBTS FBI'S MOTIVES Suggests Focus
On China Gifts Hides Waco Woes

Date: 9/28/99
Author: Paul Sperry

In what's turning into an internecine feud between the White House and the
FBI, President
Clinton charged that the FBI is trying to turn the spotlight away from its
new Waco troubles by
raising doubts about the probe into White House fund-raising.

Four career FBI agents told the Senate Wednesday that the Justice
Department has thwarted their
investigation of illegal foreign funds to the 1996 Clinton-Gore re-election
effort.

''The FBI wants you to write about that rather than write about Waco,'' a
visibly angry Clinton
told Investor's Business Daily Friday night at the White House.

Justice earlier this month seized from the FBI videotapes that were
withheld from congressional
investigators after the agency's 1993 raid on the Branch Davidian compound
in Waco, Texas.

Attorney General Janet Reno has turned over the case to former Sen. John
Danforth, R-Mo., for
an independent probe.

The president's statement, called ''extraordinary'' by Hill leaders, marked
the first time he's
criticized his own bureau in public.

Asked about it, FBI spokesman Jim Davis said, ''I'm pretty confident we
have no comment,''
adding that FBI Director Louis Freeh is out of town.

Davis allowed that the FBI is aware that the ''relationship between the
bureau and the president
and (between the bureau and) the attorney general'' is drawing more and
more negative press.

Freeh butted heads with Reno in 1997 when he argued for an independent
counsel to probe the
fund-raising scandal.

Some compare the discord between Clinton and his chief law enforcement
agency to the one that
developed between President Nixon and Justice as the Watergate probe crept
closer to the Oval
Office.

In 1973, Attorney General Elliot Richardson and Deputy Attorney General
William Ruckelshaus
resigned after balking at Nixon's orders to fire Watergate special
prosecutor Archibald Cox.
Solicitor General Robert Bork wound up axing Cox and his staff of 60
lawyers in what's known
as the ''Saturday Night Massacre.''

Referring to Clinton, Brookings Institution presidential scholar Stephen
Hess said: ''The idea
that the president is acting as if the FBI is trying to do him in is pretty
fascinating.''

Clinton also lashed out at Republicans in responding to several IBD
questions about the
fund-raising probe, which has turned up at least $300,000 intended for
Clinton from the Chinese
military:

''The GOP wants that to be the story rather than guns'' and other issues
that ''people care
about,'' he said, adding that ''not one person has brought up'' the
Chinagate scandal on his
stops around the country.

''You want to know the only person who has been linked to money from
China?'' Clinton said.
''Haley Barbour and the RNC (Republican National Committee), that's who.''

''Bob Dole had more FEC (Federal Election Commission) fines than I did,''
he said.

Asked Monday if Clinton stands by his statements, White House spokesman
Richard Siewert
said: ''The president does not regret making those comments.''

Republicans say the reaction is typical for Clinton.

''He always likes to attack others more than defend his own positions,''
said a senior Republican
White House official.

''He has trouble with the facts and the truth,'' said House Government
Reform Committee
spokesman Mark Corallo. ''So it wouldn't surprise me, in this case, for the
president to be
ignoring the facts that his party and his re-election committee and his
legal defense fund were the
recipients of millions of dollars in illegal money from foreign sources
-much of it coming from
Communist China.''

The Democratic National Committee has had to return over $3 million in
illegal or improper
donations from the 1996 campaign. The RNC returned $102,400 in illegal
donations from the
Florida unit of a Hong Kong-based real- estate company.

The 1991-93 RNC donations are apparently the ones Clinton cited. Barbour
was RNC chairman
at the time, though Hong Kong was still part of Britain, not China, back then.

Barbour, now head of a Washington lobbying firm, is a target of Reno's
campaign-finance task
force. IBD was unable to reach Barbour for comment.

The impromptu interview with Clinton, conducted on the South Lawn not far
from the Oval
Office during a dinner for the press, lasted about 10 minutes and started
with a single and simple
question: ''When's your next formal press conference, Mr. President?''

Clinton was testy throughout. Observers say his face turned red when
questioned about the
Chinagate probe. The questions came only after Clinton asked why he should
hold another
formal news conference.

''He was pretty exercised, and I was surprised he'd get so exercised about
the campaign finance
stuff,'' said Washington-based Seattle Times reporter James Grimaldi, who
overheard the
exchange and filed a story Sunday. ''He actually blew up.''

Staffers for CNN and the 

Re: [CTRL] CEO to CBS: Don't offend foregin governments

1999-09-28 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 09/28/1999 1:54:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 [quote]
 SHANGHAI, China (AP) _ The chairman of Viacom Inc., which is  poised to take
 over CBS, said today that international news  organizations should report
 the truth but avoid being  "unnecessarily offensive" to foreign governments.

 As they expand their global reach, media companies must be aware  "of the
 politics and attitudes of the governments where we  operate," said Sumner M.
 Redstone.

 "Journalistic integrity must prevail in the final analysis. But  that
 doesn't mean that journalistic integrity should be exercised  in a way that
 is unnecessarily offensive to the countries in which  you operate," Redstone
 said at a news conference.
 [end quote]

 This is the kind of sentiment that usually had to be inferred, stated in
 private, or publicly denied.  Modern corporations are now so fearless that
 such pronouncements can be made publicly and with impunity.  The triumph of
 capital marches upon your rights. 

Good Heavens.  It wouldn't do to upset somebody who might give you great
profits.  Let's see, the Taliban are simply cherishing their women in a
possessive way.  China just doesn't understand the ways of tai chi.  Israel
is really very, very nice to the Palestinians who are just rude and
unappreciative.  Redstone and me.  We could just spin for hours.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Noam Chomsky on the Lessons of Yugoslavia and East Timor + (9/20/99)/Goodman/Grossman/Bensky/Bernstein

1999-09-28 Thread David Crockett Williams

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Amy Goodman, on the massacre she witnessed in East Timor in 1996 (1 hour 15
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[CTRL] Rain in Spain Falls Mainly on Parade

1999-09-28 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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From EmperorsNewClothes

Begin article

Spanish experts see no Serbian genocide in Kosovo
by Pablo Ordaz
commentary by Jared Israel (9-27-99)
[The website http://www.emperors-clothes.com encourages everyone to reproduce
the following report in full including this note.]
The following article from El Pais (The Country), a mainstream Spanish
magazine, is most important. For months we've been barraged with stories
claiming Serbs killed thousands of ethnic Albanians and dumped them in mass
graves in Kosovo. Recently I did an internet search for newspaper articles,
appearing in the past 90 days, and including the words 'Kosovo' and 'mass
grave.' The report came back: 'More than 1000 - too many to list.' I had to
limit the search to articles in the NY Times and even then came up with 80,
nearly one a day.
It has been a giant air balloon of anti-Serbian publicity, but now comes the
pin: Spanish forensic experts, just back from Northern Kosovo where, they were
told, they would have to inspect the worst Serbian atrocities, found no mass
graves and no evidence of torture.
We received this article at 11 PM on 9/23 and had a translation the next
morning thanks to Herb Foerstal in the U.S. The translation was then checked
for accuracy, again on no notice and within a few hours, thanks to Juli
o Fernández Baraiba in Argentina.
Below is the article from El Pais, followed by a commentary.
El Pais
23 septiembre 1999 - Nº 1238
by PABLO ORDAZ in Madrid
Spanish police and forensic experts have not found proof of Genocide in the North of 
Kosovo. Prisoners [in the prison in] Istok were shot after the bombardment of NATO.
Crimes of War - yes, Genocide - no. This was definitely shown yesterday by the group 
of Spanish experts formed by officials from the Scientific Police and Civilian 
Forensics that has just returned from Istok, the Zone in
the North of Kosovo under the control of the Legion. {Spanish Legion? - EC} 187 
cadavers found and analyzed in 9 villages were buried in individual graves, oriented 
for the most part toward Mecca out of respect for the re
ligious beliefs of the Albanian Kosovars and without sign of torture. "There were no 
mass graves. For the most part the Serbs are not as bad as they have been painted," 
reflected the forensic official Emilio Pérez Pujo.
That was not the only irony. Also questioned were the successive counts that are being 
offered by the "allies" on the tragedy of Kosovo. "I have been reading the data from 
UN said Pérez Pujol, Director of the Forensic Ana
tomical Institute of Cartagena. "And they began with 44,000 deaths. Then they lowered 
it to 22,000. And now they're going with 11,000. I look forward to seeing what the 
final count will really be." The Spanish Mission whi
ch should now submit a report to the International War Crimes Tribunal in The Hague, 
left from Madrid in the beginning of the month of the August with the feeling that 
they were going on a road to hell. "They told us that
 we were going to the worst zone of Kosovo. That we should prepare ourselves to 
perform more than 2000 autopsies. That we would have to work until the end of 
November. The result is very different. We only found 187 cadav
ers and now we are going to return," explained the chief inspector, Juan López 
Palafox, responsible for the Office of Anthropology and Scientific Police.
The forensic people, as well as the police, applied their experience in Rwanda in 
order to determine what occurred in Kosovo at least in that section assigned to the 
Spanish detachment and they were not able to find evide
nce of genocide.
"In the former Yugoslavia," said López Palafox, "crimes were committed, some no doubt 
horrible, but they derived from the war. In Rwanda we saw 450 corpses of women and 
children, one on top of another, all with their head
s broken open." The Chief Inspector added that in Kosovo, on the contrary, they had 
found many isolated corpses. "It gives the impression that the Serbs gave a choice to 
the families to leave their homes. If some member o
f the clan, for whatever reason, decided to remain, upon returning they were found 
dead from a shot or by whatever other method." {our emphasis}
One of the members of the Spanish mission shed light on events in the Istok prison, 
bombed at the end of May by NATO planes. The work, directed by López Palafox and Pérez 
Pujol was aimed at solving the following mystery:
who killed the more than 100 prisoners - the bombs of NATO or the bullets of Serbian 
soldiers? The answer, according to the preliminary studies, is clear. Some of the 
cadavers analyzed had shrapnel wounds and therefore cl
early appeared to have been killed by the bombardment. But others died of clear clean 
bullet wounds, perhaps from the bullets of machine guns. The most likely thesis is 
that after the bombardment, the prison inmates tried
 to flee and were shot by Serbian guards.
***
Commentary
by Jared Israel
I've been reading mass grave stories in the New York 

Re: [CTRL] Error 404: File Not Found/Parascope

1999-09-28 Thread (Charles Overbeck)

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In a message dated 9/28/99 9:34:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Cany anybody help me on this?  I can hardly open anything at the
Paracsope site.  I can't even use the search.  I keep getting this: 

I'm sorry for the confusion -- ParaScope is currently being moved to a new
server, and we've had a few technical headaches over the past week or so.
Presently, most of our site is online, but key sections haven't been
transferred yet. We expect the problem to be rectified within a few days;
thanks for your patience in the meantime.

Best wishes,
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[CTRL] The Memory Of Water.

1999-09-28 Thread William Shannon

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Alternative Medicine and the Laws of Physics
The mechanisms proposed to account for the alleged efficacy of such methods
as touch therapy, psychic healing, and homeopathy involve serious
misrepresentations of modern physics.
Robert L. Park



--
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So-called "alternative" therapies, mostly derived from ancient healing
traditions and superstitions, have a strong appeal for people who feel left
behind by the explosive growth of scientific knowledge. Paradoxically,
however, their nostalgia for a time when things seemed simpler and more
natural is mixed with respect for the power of modern science (Toumey 1996).
They want to believe that "natural" healing practices can be explained by
science. Purveyors of alternative medicine have, therefore, been quick to
invoke the language and symbols of science. Not surprisingly, the mechanisms
proposed to account for the alleged efficacy of such methods as touch
therapy, psychic healing, and homeopathy involve serious misrepresentations
of modern physics.
The No-Medicine Medicine
Homeopathy, founded by a German physician, Samuel Hahnemann (1755-1843), is a
relative newcomer. Homeopathy is based on the so-called "law of similars"
(similia similibus curantur), which asserts that substances that produce a
certain set of symptoms in a healthy person can cure those same symptoms in
someone who is sick. Although there are related notions in Chinese medicine,
Hahnemann seems to have arrived at the idea independently. Hahnemann spent
much of his life testing natural substances to find out what symptoms they
produced and prescribing them for people who exhibited the same symptoms.
Although the purely anecdotal evidence on which he based his conclusions
would not be taken seriously today, homeopathy as currently practiced still
relies almost entirely on Hahnemann's listing of substances and their
indications for use.
Natural substances, of course, are often acutely toxic. Troubled by the side
effects that often accompanied his medications, Hahnemann experimented with
diluting them. After each successive dilution, he subjected the solution to
vigorous shaking, or "succussion." He made the remarkable discovery that
although dilution eliminated the side effects, it did not diminish the
effectiveness of the medications. This is rather grandly known as "the law of
infinitesimals."

Hahnemann actually made a third "discovery," which his followers no longer
mention. "The sole true and fundamental cause that produces all the countless
forms of disease," he writes in his Organon, "is psora." Psora is more
commonly known as "itch." This principle does not seem to involve any laws of
physics and is in any case ignored by modern followers of Hahnemann.

By means of successive dilutions, extremely dilute solutions can be achieved
rather easily. The dilution limit is reached when the volume of solvent is
unlikely to contain a single molecule of the solute. Hahnemann could not have
known that in his preparations he was, in fact, exceeding the dilution limit.
Although he was contemporary with the physicist Amadeo Avogadro (1776-1856),
Hahnemann's Organon der Rationellen Heilkunde was published in 1810, one year
before Avogadro advanced his famous hypothesis, and many years before other
physicists actually determined Avogadro's number. (Avogadro showed that there
is a large but finite and specific number of atoms or molecules in a mole of
substance, specifically 6.022 x 1023. A mole is the molecular weight of a
substance expressed in grams. Thus, a mole of water, H2O, molecular weight 2
+ 16 = 18, is 18 grams. So there are 6.022 x 1023 water molecules in 18 grams
of water.)

Modern day followers of Hahnemann, however, are perfectly aware of Avogadro's
number. Nevertheless, they regularly exceed the dilution limit -- often to an
astonishing extent. I recently examined the dilutions listed on the labels of
dozens of standard homeopathic remedies sold over the counter in health
stores, and increasingly in drug stores, as remedies for everything from
nervousness to flu. These remedies are normally in the form of lactose
tablets on which a single drop of the "diluted" medication has been placed.
The "solvent" is usually a water/alcohol mixture. The lowest dilution I found
listed on any of these bottles was 6X, but most of the dilutions were 30X or
even, in the case of oscillococcinum, an astounding 200C. (Oscillococcinum,
which is derived from duck liver, is the standard homeopathic remedy for flu.
As we will see, however, its widespread use poses little threat to the duck
population.)

What do these notations mean? The notation 6X means that the active substance
is diluted 1:10 in a water-alcohol mixture and succussed. This procedure
(diluting and succussing) is repeated sequentially six times. The
concentration of the active substance is then one part in ten raised to the
sixth power (106), or one part per 

[CTRL] Live From Seattle: World Trade Watch Radio

1999-09-28 Thread Alamaine

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LIVE FROM SEATTLE: WORLD TRADE WATCH RADIO

Help get this alternative coverage on your local non-commercial station!

Syndicated columnist Norman Solomon and veteran radio journalist
Julie Light will co-host World Trade Watch, a series of five daily programs
from the historic WTO Summit in Seattle, Nov. 29 to Dec. 3, 1999.

The air you breathe, the food you eat, even the size of your bank account
are all affected by the World Trade Organization. Yet transnational
corporations increasingly call the shots and benefit from international
trade policy. Companies like Microsoft and Boeing plan to roll out the red
carpet for top officials from 135 countries at the upcoming summit.
Environmentalists, labor and community activists from around the globe will
also converge on Seattle to hold forums and protests, demanding that their
voices be heard.

WORLD TRADE WATCH will be talking to farmers from India, trade activists
from Ghana, peasants from Chiapas, and grassroots activists from the U.S. and
around the world. We'll track behind the scenes corporate lobbyists and
buttonhole official trade representatives. We'll have reports from the
field and lively in-studio discussion.

Find out how you can get your local radio station to carry WORLD TRADE WATCH!

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[CTRL] Fw: USGS States Readiness for Y2K

1999-09-28 Thread Ric Carter

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Release Date:  September 28, 1999

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USGS States Readiness for Y2K

USGS flood warning and earthquake detection systems that deliver real-time
data to local emergency managers are Year 2000 or Y2K compliant.  U.S.
Geological Survey Director Charles G. Groat has certified that the USGS has
taken all required and necessary actions to ensure that the USGS is ready
forY2K.

Computer-based systems with direct links to public safety have been given
highest priority.  Independent verification and validation has been
performed on all mission critical systems.

Other Y2K date-sensitive systems, such as software, hardware,
embedded-microchip devices and telecommunications components, have been
identified, inventoried, and tested.  As needed, these systems have been
remediated, certified, and independently verified and validated by a team
of USGS technical experts who have been tackling the Y2K compliance issue
since early 1997.

"With hundreds of computer systems, thousands of scientific instruments,
and a vast technology-based infrastructure, our technical staff has spent
many hours ensuring that information vital to public safety will be
accurate and available on January 1, 2000," says Groat.

More than 300 USGS sites throughout the country and in Guam and Puerto Rico
have been scrutinized for Y2K compliance.  All known Y2K date-sensitive
devices and systems necessary to perform essential functions and activities
have either been certified by the manufacturer to be compliant or have been
tested.

 "Everyone has put forth a superior effort to make our systems compliant,"
says Y2K program coordinator Fred Travnicek, who leads the technical team.
"We know how critical it is that all our systems continue to function and
deliver reliable, accurate, and timely data to emergency personnel, local
and state officials, and other federal agencies on January 1, 2000, and
beyond."

The USGS's emphasis on natural hazards and emergency preparedness provides
an ironic twist as the USGS readies for any unforeseen Y2K disruption.  "As
an agency, we urge the public to prepare for emergencies.  Now we find
ourselves having to heed our own advice," says Travnicek.

System contingency plans are ready should an unforeseen glitch appear in
local area networks, e-mail systems, routers or gateways.  Business
continuity plans are in also place to ensure the work of the USGS continues
without interruption.

"We'll be ready for Y2K," says Groat.  "Our technical staff won't stop
between now and the beginning of the new millennium.  On December 31
they'll report for duty to monitor computers, communications systems,
scientific instrumentation and equipment to ensure the integrity and
availability of our data.  Should a natural disaster coincide with the
January 1 rollover, local jurisdictions will still have the timely and
dependable information they've come to expect from the USGS."

As the nation's largest water, earth, and biological science and civilian
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information to resource managers, planners, and other customers. This
information is gathered in every state by USGS scientists to minimize the
loss of life and property from natural disasters, to contribute to the
conservation and the sound economic and physical development of the
nation's natural resources, and to enhance the quality of life by
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Re: [CTRL] CLINTON DOUBTS FBI'S MOTIVES Suggests Focus On China Gifts Hides Waco Woes

1999-09-28 Thread Linda Minor

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The quote excerpted from the post from Investors Business Daily brings to
mind RuMills recent disclosure that her sources have been telling her that
Clinton is "clinically insane," and that he's about to have some kind of
break-up before he leaves office.  Supposedly, according to the same
sources, she said he he had gone berserk shortly before JFK, Jr.'s plane
crashed.  Whether it's true or not, it looks like someone wants to make us
think it is.



The impromptu interview with Clinton, conducted on the South Lawn not far
from the Oval
Office during a dinner for the press, lasted about 10 minutes and started
with a single and simple
question: ''When's your next formal press conference, Mr. President?''

Clinton was testy throughout. Observers say his face turned red when
questioned about the
Chinagate probe. The questions came only after Clinton asked why he should
hold another
formal news conference.

''He was pretty exercised, and I was surprised he'd get so exercised about
the campaign finance
stuff,'' said Washington-based Seattle Times reporter James Grimaldi, who
overheard the
exchange and filed a story Sunday. ''He actually blew up.''

Staffers for CNN and the Associated Press also witnessed the exchange.

The president's comments came just two days after three active FBI agents
-Roberta Parker,
Kevin Sheridan and Daniel Wehr - and one retired - 25- year veteran Ivian
Smith - told the Senate
Governmental Affairs Committee that Laura Ingersoll, the former head of
Reno's task force,
blocked attempts in 1997 to question Clinton fund-raisers and seize
documents.

Clinton scoffed at any suggestion that Reno is covering for him, or that
the White House is
colluding with her probe. He brushed aside the questions as ''accusatory.''

''We've spent $4 million and gave the (campaign- finance) task force
millions of records and
every shred of evidence,'' Clinton said, ''and they haven't found a thing.''

But in Wednesday's explosive testimony, Wehr swore that Ingersoll told the
agents they should
''not pursue any matter related to solicitation of funds for access to the
president.''

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[CTRL] The Memory Of Water and Robert Park.

1999-09-28 Thread ASu2431426

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You cite Robert L Park and "serious misrepresentations of modern physics"
Park is a most unfortunate person to cite.

Park is  the former American Physical Society spokesman who  made a fool of
himself on LENR ( low energy nuclear reactions)   The APS has now
modified its position. See the Proceedings of the last APS meeting. For the
first time papers were presented on LENR.

Park has been slandering  LENR ( and all linked phenomena) for a decade in
disregard of some  3,000  confirming technical papers,  7 International
meetings,. support from DARPA,, US NAVY and  sustained lab success.   Last
January  Russ George of SRI made  a special presentation to Secretary of the
Navy Daniels on the extraordinary new findingss.  All this to the contrary
Park still insists LENR does not exist. His  motivation is all too obvious.
Federal funding is slipping down the drain.  George and SRI have an operating
 device already run at over unity for more than  a year..  Impossible  for
Park and establishment physics, but a reality for US Navy DARPA   and
others...

More to the point would be YOUR criticsm of homeopathy rather than. the myopic
assertions of a discredited Park.  Read MEMORY OF WATER and review the  500
citations on high dilution experiments and then give us your interpretation.

.The US is the only country in the world that refuses to grant  patents on
LENR
This craziness is now before the US Senate

Science is not a "we  know it all" fixed paradigm, as Park would have us
believe.   It is (or should be) a dynamic evolving body of knowledge.

So dont give us Park's  outdated textbook stuff.  Give us your interpretation.

ANTONY SUTTONEDITOR   FUTURE TECHNOLOGY INTELLIGENCE REPORTt

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Re: [CTRL] CLINTON DOUBTS FBI'S MOTIVES Suggests Focus On China Gifts Hides Waco Woes

1999-09-28 Thread Linda Minor

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USA Today has additional information.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/finance/ncfin359.htm

09/22/99- Updated 11:14 PM ET

 FBI agents criticize Justice Department
WASHINGTON (AP) - In a rare public airing of friction between the FBI and
its parent Justice Department, bureau agents testified Wednesday that
prosecutors impeded their campaign fund-raising inquiry. The former lead
prosecutor countered by criticizing the agents' work.

The testimony before the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee spotlighted
the bitter internal disagreements in the investigation of donations to the
1996 Clinton-Gore re-election campaign.

Disagreement over the investigation caused friction between Attorney General
Janet Reno and FBI Director Louis Freeh. Reno eventually rejected the
director's conclusion that an independent counsel should be appointed.

Disputing Reno's oft-quoted assertions of a vigorous investigation, FBI
agent Daniel Wehr told the committee that the initial lead attorney in the
inquiry, Laura Ingersoll, told the agents they should ''not pursue any
matter related to solicitation of funds for access to the president. The
reason given was, 'That's the way the American political process works.' I
was scandalized by that.''

Wehr, agents Roberta Parker and Kevin Sheridan are still assigned to the
investigation and worked on the case of presidential friend Yah Lin
''Charlie'' Trie, a major Democratic donor who pleaded guilty to campaign
finance violations. Besides the three agents, the committee heard from Ivian
C. Smith, the retired agent who headed the Little Rock, Ark., FBI office.

The four contended that Ms. Ingersoll - who eventually was replaced as lead
attorney - prevented the FBI from executing search warrants to stop
destruction of evidence and micromanaged the case beyond all reason.

But Ms. Ingersoll testified there was ''no smoking gun'' in documents the
FBI discovered in the trash of Trie and a business associate - records
which, the agents concluded, should have been the basis for search warrants
of the subjects' residences.

Explaining her rejection of the search warrant request in the summer of
1997, Ms. Ingersoll said, ''Nothing we saw indicated to us'' that there was
''anything incriminating'' in the documents.

She said the FBI's proposed search warrant affidavit lacked any description
of how the records were relevant.

''We didn't know what the documents were. The agents didn't bring us what
these documents actually were. I would have wanted them (the search warrant
justifications) to be fuller and more complete. The search warrant affidavit
was far from being finalized ... to be presented to a magistrate.''

Fred Thompson, R-Tenn., chairman of the Senate committee and leader of its
campaign finance inquiry in 1997, appeared upset by Ms. Ingersoll's answers.

''We're not talking about trying to electrocute someone,'' Thompson said.
''We're talking about getting ... to an independent magistrate. It does not
have to be a smoking gun.''

FBI agent Parker, also an attorney, testified that Ms. Ingersoll told the
agents the department ''would not take into consideration'' evidence
involving President Clinton's legal defense fund and obstruction of the
Senate's investigation.

Smith, the retired FBI supervisor, told the committee he was ''quite
astounded at the type of documents being destroyed.''

The committee released a memo by Smith, dated Aug. 4, 1997, to Freeh that
bitterly complained about the prosecutors. He expressed ''a lack of
confidence'' in department attorneys, adding, ''I am convinced the team at
DOJ leading this investigation is, at best, simply not up to the task.''

''The impression left is the emphasis on how not to prosecute matters, not
how to aggressively conduct investigations leading to prosecutions.''

Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn., senior Democrat on the committee, said the
disputes amounted to a ''culture clash'' between FBI agents and
prosecutors - one that was ''very destructive.''

Republicans have been extremely critical of Reno's decision not to appoint
an independent counsel in the fund-raising inquiry and of her insistence
that a vigorous investigation was being conducted by the Justice Department.

Agent Parker testified that there were 27 pages missing from her spiral
notebook recounting the agents' disagreements with the prosecutors. She said
she had turned over the notes to FBI superiors because Congress sought
information about the disagreements, adding that the pages must have been
ripped out.

Thompson threatened to hold hearings on the disappearance, now the subject
of an internal FBI investigation.

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[CTRL] State Department Stonewalls New Ron Brown Crash Questions (fwd)

1999-09-28 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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Newsmax.com-Inside Cover

Monday September 27, 7:18 PM

State Department Stonewalls New Ron Brown Crash Questions

A State Department spokesperson told Inside Cover on Monday that
it would be "a waste of taxpayers' money" to respond to questions
raised by a newly uncovered log detailing Clinton administration
actions after late Commerce Secretary Ron Brown's plane vanished
from radar screens on April 3, 1996.

The document, labeled "Confidential, Department of Commerce" and
kept secret for more than three years, offers an internal
government account of events on the day Brown died that is
starkly different from the official government version on a
number of key points. (See Documents Reveal Two May Have Survived
Initial Impact of Ron Brown Plane Crash.)

Among the most disturbing revelations is a log entry made April 3
at 9:40 pm Croatian time, an hour and twenty minutes after the
plane's wreckage was discovered, which shows concern at the
highest levels of the Clinton administration about videotaping at
the crash site:

"Poloff Hovenier called to relay strong request from [Deputy
Secretary of State] Strobe Talbott that HRT TV team in Dubrovnik
not film at the crash site. DCM called state protocol chief
Misetic who said he was already trying to get in touch with the
team to stop it."

The "no video" entry was logged just 42 minutes after Ira
Sokowitz, then a Commerce Department official who was in Sarajevo
at the time, notified Washington that two passengers "have been
recovered alive from the crash." One of those survivors was Tech.
Sgt. Shelly Kelly, who later died while being transported to a
Dubrovnik hospital.

Sokowitz's report of a second impact survivor became known only
when Judicial Watch released the secret Commerce Department log
to Inside Cover on Friday. The alleged survivor's identity
remains a mystery. It is not known how long he or she may have
lived after rescuers reached the crash site.

When asked why Talbott wanted the HRT TV team to stop filming,
the State Department spokesperson, who would speak only on
background, declined to elaborate on the log entry, suggesting
only that it might be understandable if Talbott didn't want "the
carnage of dead administration officials" to be filmed.

The spokesperson refused Inside Cover's repeated offers to make
the secret Commerce log available for his examination and refused
to relay questions about Talbott's "no video" order to Talbott
himself.

Instead, the official launched into an attack on Judicial Watch,
saying:

"If this [document] was faxed to you by [Judicial Watch Chairman]
Larry Klayman, I've got to believe there's something hateful
behind it all I just think letting Larry Klayman use up
another minute of anybody's time in government is just a waste of
taxpayers' money. The guy is hateful. That's all there is to it."


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[CTRL] WANTED: Military Horror Stories (fwd)

1999-09-28 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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World Net Daily-September 28, 1999

by  Jon E. Dougherty

Wanted: Military Horror Stories

WorldNetDaily has been better than nearly everyone else when it
comes to chronicling the rapid deterioration of the U.S.
military. Whether it has been because the military cannot find
enough personnel to fill the ranks or because of traitorous acts
committed by the Clinton administration, most people agree that
these days, the U.S. military is hurtin' and hurtin' bad.

Only the details are missing from this horror story. And I want
them.

Americans are not going to get the truth from other mainstream
press sources, the Pentagon, the White House, or Congress about
just how badly our forces are suffering from being over-deployed
in an overabundance of bad situations -- few of which have
anything at all to do with our national security. And this at a
time when America is potentially facing her worst threats since
becoming a nation 230 years ago.

Meanwhile, we continue to pay these people like paupers
(recruits) while Congress has no problem giving themselves a
raise damn near every single year the issue comes up for a vote.
In my opinion, we ought to be paying congressmen, the president
and the vice president $1,200 a month and giving our troops a
hundred grand a year.

So if you're currently in the military -- any branch; makes no
difference to me -- or recently separated and you have a story to
share about current military readiness and supply problems,
"hollow" units or overstretched resources, e-mail me in
confidence. My goal is to assemble these examples in a format
presentable both to Congress and the American public, in a way
nobody can deny.

I need -- and appreciate -- your help.


Jon E. Dougherty is a contributing editor to WorldNetDaily.


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[CTRL] Journalists press case against IRS (fwd)

1999-09-28 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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September 28, 1999

THE POWER TO DESTROY

Journalists press case against IRS

Klayman, Farah charge government
hiding documents, lying

By Stephan Archer
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

Lawyers representing the Western Journalism Center plan to file
motion to have the Internal Revenue Service and the Department of
Justice held in criminal contempt for failing to produce
documents connected to an audit of the group and requested under
the Freedom of Information Act.

"Based on a pattern of misconduct in this lawsuit, we are
convinced that the IRS continues to hide documents," said
Judicial Watch's Larry Klayman.

Klayman is referring to the $10 million action he filed against
the Internal Revenue Service on behalf of the Western Journalism
Center, founded by Joseph Farah, editor of WorldNetDaily.com.
Farah and Klayman initiated the suit after a suspicious 1996
audit nearly forced the center to close its doors.

Before filing the new motion, however, the two will wait for a
judge to rule on an IRS motion for summary judgment in the case.

Originally, Farah was led to believe the audit was politically
motivated when one of the IRS' "Information Document Requests"
served on the center demanded substantial amounts of seemingly
irrelevant information -- particularly regarding the center's
investigative work into the suspicious death of White House
Deputy Counsel Vincent Foster. Specifically, the IRS asked for
copies of all documents related to the selection of reporters and
topics for investigation.

In these documents, the IRS asked Western Journalism Center the
following questions about the investigation into the death of
White House Deputy Counsel Vincent Foster: Who was on the review
committee? What review process is used for peer review? Were any
other projects considered? What about any opposing viewpoints?

Then, when Thomas Cederquist, the IRS agent conducting the audit,
admitted it was a "political" audit and that any "decision (had)
to be made at the national level," Farah became even more
convinced that WJC was the target of a politically motivated and
therefore unlawful audit. However, hard proof of the audit's
political roots didn't surface until Freedom of Information Act
documents received by the center from the Treasury Department
this past July traced the audit trail directly back to the
Clinton White House.

Beverly Hills resident Paul Venze had written a letter to the
White House questioning the legitimacy of the center's non-profit
status, since it was leading an investigation into the
circumstances of Foster's death. Upon receiving the letter, the
White House faxed it to the IRS. This sequence is detailed in the
Treasury Department report the WJC received, although belatedly,
in response to its FOIA request.

Farah and Klayman want to know why the IRS took two years to hand
over information about the Venze letter and the White House's
involvement, since it should have been provided immediately after
the FOIA request was filed and certainly during the discovery
process in the $10 million lawsuit.

Suspicions of IRS delay and obfuscation also stem from the fact
that in October 1997, soon after the FOIA request was filed, the
IRS turned over 114 pages of material to Farah, claiming those
were all the documents it had on the case. The IRS immediately
filed a petition for summary judgment from District Court Judge
Coleen Colar-Koteley, which would have closed the case for good.
However, WJC soon discovered that at least another 658 pages of
documents concerning the audit, including Venze's letter, were
being maintained by the IRS.

"This kind of behavior unfortunately has become normal throughout
government -- hiding documents, destroying them, lying, cover up.
It's always been the case, but it's gotten much worse during the
Clinton administration," Klayman said.

Now that the additional 658 pages have been turned over to WJC,
the IRS has once again filed for summary judgment. However, the
center is asking the court that the IRS' motion for summary
judgment be denied, and that discovery procedures into the long
delay of produced audit materials proceed, because Klayman and
Farah still believe the IRS is holding back documents.

"Where are the documents showing how Bill Clinton informed the
Internal Revenue Service?" asked Klayman during an interview with
WorldNetDaily.

Indeed, the journalists' opposition to the IRS motion for summary
judgment states, "Now that the IRS' erroneous claim in its first
motion for summary judgment -- that all responsive documents were
produced to WJC (Western Journalism Center) in October 1997 --
has been thoroughly discredited by WJC, and in light of the
highly political circumstances surrounding the White House's
initiation of the WJC audit, (and) the IRS' failure to provide
documents concerning the audit to WJC in a timely manner, ... WJC
is entitled to discovery into the scope and conduct of the IRS'
search, the existence of documents generated 

Re: [CTRL] The Dropa Stones and HAB

1999-09-28 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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 I have read a lot of material on catastrophism
since I first encountered *The HAB Theory* in 1976, and there is
considerable evidence that *something* happened within the lifetime of the
human race that completely disrupted life on this planet. But it demands
serious scholarly attention,

hi, the following comments fit in exactly with the HAB theory I'm afraid.
The HAB theory says that disaster by plate reshuffle happens every 7500 years
or so 

Scientists have never found Noah or his ark, but they believe in his flood.
It happened about 7,600 years ago, when the Mediterranean Sea, swollen by
melted glaciers, breached a natural dam separating it from the freshwater
lake known today as the Black Sea.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-09/26/195l-092699-idx.html


COMPELLING evidence that there was a Great Flood, as told in the Old
Testament story of Noah's Ark, has been found far below the waters of the
Black Sea by an American expedition.

Underwater surveyors, led by Robert Ballard, the renowned oceanographer who
found the Titanic and other sunken ships of the 20th century, have
discovered an ancient coastline at a depth of 450ft.

http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/Times/timfgnusa02001.html?999

A
HREF="http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/Times/timfgnusa02001.html?999"C
li
ck here: The Times: World News:Evidence of Great Flood is found Story of
Noah's Ark backed by coastline discovery/A

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[CTRL] Politicizing the IRS (fwd)

1999-09-28 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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World Net Daily

Politicizing the IRS
by Joseph Farah

I give up on the idea that the Republican Congress is ever going
to conduct a serious investigation of the way President Clinton
has targeted his enemies -- including me -- by directing Internal
Revenue Service audits.

It's just not going to happen -- not in this lifetime. Evidently,
establishment Republicans -- including the overwhelming majority
in Congress -- are so enamored of the police powers of the state
that they will do nothing to protect the civil liberties of
individuals.

So, this column is directed to the Democrats. I'm skeptical that
any of you can put aside your own political prejudices in favor
of Bill Clinton long enough to consider what I'm about to say,
but it needs to be said anyway.

Imagine, for a moment, a Republican occupies the White House.
It's bound to happen again some day. Like Richard Nixon before
him, this Republican has a penchant for rooting out vocal
opposition and pesky journalists and compiling enemies lists. One
of his tactics is to fax to the IRS notes from constituents
complaining about the critical work of certain non-profit
organizations. One of those letters rips a group of journalists
who have been investigating administration corruption.

The letter and cover sheet from the White House first go to the
Exempt Office division of the IRS and eventually to the office in
the city where the journalists are based. A wide-ranging audit
begins. The field agent tells the targeted journalists' certified
public accountant that this is a "political case" and the
decision about the organization's tax-exempt status will be made
at the "national level."

The audit lasts nine months and finds nothing awry within the
organization's books. But the ordeal nearly bankrupts the group,
causing it to lay off reporters and close publications. A Freedom
of Information Act request by the group for its IRS case file is
denied. An appeal is denied. Only as a result of a lawsuit are
documents produced two years later -- and there is still some
question about how complete the file is.

Also two years later, the Treasury Department releases a heavily
redacted internal report concluding that the audit began as a
direct result of the letter sent from the White House to the IRS.

With just that information, my Democratic friends, would you not
conclude that there is at least ample evidence to investigate
seriously the possibility that the president is violating the law
by using the IRS for political purposes?

I know you would. Yet those are exactly the facts concerning this
president. There is a perfect parallel with regard to the White
House's illegal actions against the Western Journalism Center, a
non-partisan group of investigative journalists who probe
official corruption as deeply and vigorously when it is committed
by Republicans as they do when it is committed by Democrats.

I know this is a long shot -- a Hail Mary pass, if you will. But
I have to point out the utter hypocrisy you will display if you
ignore the blatantly illegal actions of this president with
regard to the abuse of the IRS.

This is not an idle accusation on my part. We now have the
Clinton administration's own documentation to prove the charge in
a court of law -- and we will do that with the help of our legal
representative, Larry Klayman of Judicial Watch. It may take
years, but we will do that. You will not be able to plead
ignorance when we do. That's why I am making this request to you
at this time. Save yourself some embarrassment, some humiliation
and do the right thing, the honorable thing now.

You don't have to conclude I'm right to take action. All you need
to do is authorize an investigation of this serious, impeachable
offense. It's not complicated. It's actually quite simple.

Imagine how courageous you will appear -- challenging a president
of your own party on a vital civil liberties issue.

If you don't take this advice, you will have no excuses later.
You will also demonstrate conclusively for the whole world to see
that you do not really believe in civil liberties for one and
all. It's only a question of whose ox is being gored.

Republicans don't have a strong record on defending individual
rights and personal freedoms. Democrats at least pay it lip
service. Now it's time to ante up -- to take on an unpleasant
question that will not win you friends in the White House.

But if any of you have a conscience after seven years of Clinton
abuses, now might be a good time to show not all Democrats are
immature lawbreakers who have one set of standards for themselves
and another set for everyone else.

You know where to find me. ...


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[CTRL] The Seedy Side of the FCC

1999-09-28 Thread K
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http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/politics/story/21985.html
The Seedy Side of the FCC by {HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]"}Declan McCullagh 
12:15 p.m. 28.Sep.99.PDT
GRAND TETON NATIONAL PARK, Wyoming -- Americans often seem to view the US Federal Communications Commission as something between a benign nuisance and an antediluvian bureaucracy.
But is the FCC really a group of modern-day Don Corleones who run a protection racket complete with threats to kowtow to government demands or else?
That's how one FCC commissioner views his colleagues. "They are engaged in shakedowns, extortions, and things that fall outside the formal regulatory process," {HYPERLINK "http://www.fcc.gov/commishfurchtgott.html"}Harold Furchtgott-Roth said Tuesday at a {HYPERLINK "http://www.hudson.org/"}Hudson Institute {HYPERLINK "http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/21972.html"} in Jackson Hole, Wyoming.
"The commission has been very effective in shaking down companies [and deciding] which communities get served first, which communities get served last, [and] who the assets get spun off to," he said.
Furchtgott-Roth, a Clinton appointee who is the sole economist among the agency's four other lawyers-turned-commissioners, is frequently the lone dissenting voice when the FCC considers new regulations. Under US law, the FCC has broad regulatory authority over telecommunications companies.
He criticized the conditions the FCC required before {HYPERLINK "http://www.wired.com/news/news/business/story/21936.html"} the SBC- Ameritech merger, and pointed at "the conditions which SBC has 'voluntarily' submitted with a gun pointed at its head.
"Somehow, all the conditions have nothing to do with wireless licenses, but a lot of other things."
Furchtgott-Roth also slammed the so-called "Gore tax," or {HYPERLINK "http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/21042.html"}e-rate fee that the FCC devised to wire schools and libraries to the Net. "There we have a situation where the commission has invented a tax to fund programs at schools and libraries across America purportedly to bring broadband. At first blush this seems like a good thing."
But, he said, Department of Education statistics published in January 1998 - - before the e-rate checks began to flow -- showed about 70 percent of schools already had access.
"This is just preposterous. Most schools and libraries were hooked up to the Internet before a nickel of this multibillion dollar tax was imposed on Americans. There's hardly a politician who's willing to stand up and say this is an incredible fraud," Furchtgott-Roth said.
Martin Irvine, a Georgetown University professor who spoke Monday, said his experience suggested otherwise. "I can't believe that so many schools are connected," he said.
Irvine also said that the FCC should not refrain from regulation of the Net and telecommunications businesses, saying that some forms of control over what companies and individuals can do are better than others. "Regulation does not equal regulation does not equal regulation," he said.
Glenn Woroch, a research economist at GTE Laboratories, said he believed that the FCC needed to intervene in the telecom industry -- and the Internet business too. "I also think there's room for agencies like the FCC to help the industry move out of certain conventions. There are a lot of pricing conventions in the industry that are distortionary and do not contain good incentives for investment," Woroch said.
He pointed to Internet peering arrangements as one area where the FCC could intervene with regulations or standards-setting. "There's something that cannot continue. But there's great difficulty in coordinating the industry from that pricing system to one that's based on cost," he said.
Furchtgott-Roth predicted that differences in regulation between the Internet and more tightly controlled media like cable and broadcast will make for some nasty fights. "It's going to be a very slow process and it's going to create a lot of problems," he said.



My favourite mythical creature? The honest politician.

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[CTRL] Barnes called Guard to help Bush get in

1999-09-28 Thread Linda Minor

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This story doesn't appear to be dying.  It's made the rounds in Texas
newspapers, and reporters are still asking about it.

http://www.austin360.com/statesman/editions/today/news_4.html

By Ken Herman
American-Statesman Capitol Bureau Chief
Tuesday, September 28, 1999


Former Texas House Speaker Ben Barnes put in a well-placed good word to help
young George W. Bush get into the Air National Guard when thousands of
Bush's contemporaries were shipping out to Vietnam, Barnes' lawyer said
Monday.

In a statement issued on his behalf, Barnes said he made the phone call to
the head of the Texas Air National Guard at the request of the late Sidney
Adger, a Houston oilman and longtime Bush family friend.

But Barnes said nobody in the Bush family had asked him to intervene. When
Bush joined the Guard in 1968, his father was a GOP congressman from
Houston.

"Neither Congressman Bush nor any other member of the Bush family asked for
Barnes' help," the lawyer's statement said. "Barnes has no knowledge that
Governor Bush or President Bush knew of Barnes' recommendation."

The statement said Barnes "was contacted by Sid Adger and asked to recommend
George W. Bush for a pilot position with the Air National Guard."

At a Houston campaign stop on Monday, Bush said he did not know whether
Barnes had intervened on his behalf in 1968.

"I never asked for, (and) I don't believe I received, any special
treatment," said Bush, who served in the Guard, based in Houston, from 1968
to 1973.

Bush's military record became part of a federal lawsuit when former Texas
Lottery Director Lawrence Littwin alleged that Gtech, operator of the state
lottery, was behind his 1997 firing after five months on the job.

Littwin's lawsuit claims Gtech held sway over the Texas Lottery Commission
because Barnes, Gtech's former lobbyist, had knowledge about how Bush got
into the Guard. But Gtech had severed its ties with Barnes before Littwin
was hired by the Lottery Commission.

Gtech and Bush have denied any involvement in Littwin's firing.

The governor, the front-running Republican presidential candidate, continued
to defend his service as a fighter pilot in the Air National Guard.

"I can tell you what happened," he said Monday. "Nothing happened. My Guard
unit was looking for pilots, and I flew for the Guard."

"I'm proud of my service," Bush added, "and any allegation that my dad asked
for special favors is simply not true. . . . I didn't ask anybody to help
get me to the Guard, either."

A spokeswoman for the elder Bush has said that Adger was a close family
friend but that the former president knew nothing about any attempts by
Adger to get the younger Bush into the Guard.

The statement issued on Barnes' behalf said he called Brig. Gen. James Rose,
then the head of the Texas Air National Guard, and recommended Bush for a
pilot slot, which was available at the time. Rose is now deceased.

Last September, Barnes met with Midland oilman Don Evans, chairman of Bush's
re-election campaign and now finance chairman for Bush's presidential bid,
and told him about the efforts to get Bush into the Guard. The statement
issued Monday on Barnes' behalf said Bush sent Barnes "a note thanking him
for his candor in acknowledging that Barnes received no call from any member
of the Bush family."

Barnes' statement was issued Monday after a deposition that lasted more than
five hours. Attorney Charles Burton, representing Barnes, declined to say
whether the Guard question came up during the session at Barnes' downtown
Austin office. But Littwin's lawyers, in court filings, have said it was
among the main lines of questioning they wanted to pursue with Barnes.

In motions earlier this month, Barnes claimed "executive privilege"
protection against answering questions about whether he helped Bush get into
the Guard. Burton said no objections were raised to questions asked Monday
by Littwin's lawyers.

Burton said the deposition is covered by a judge's confidentiality order and
eventually could become public. "However, that order does not prevent
(Barnes) from setting the media record straight on events occurring more
than 30 years ago," the statement said.


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[CTRL] Judicial Watch sues banks, Clintons and McAuliffe... (fwd)

1999-09-28 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 28, 1999
Contact: Joe Giganti
(202) 646-5172

JUDICIAL WATCH SUES BANKS, BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON AND MCAULIFFE
OVER ILLEGAL BANK LOAN TO PURCHASE $1.7 MILLION NEW YORK MANSION

Preliminary Injunction Motion Will Trigger Early Trial

Case Will Set Precedent On All Illegal Gifts Received By
Clintons, Such As Legal Defense Fund Monies

(Washington, DC) Today, Judicial Watch filed a lawsuit in the
U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia against the
banks proposing to finance the Clintons' attempted purchase of a
White House-like mansion in New York State, with an illegal $1.35
million loan guarantee by scandal- beleaguered influence peddler
Terry McAuliffe, the "top" Democrat fundraiser.  McAuliffe was
implicated by Nolanda Hill in the illegal sale of seats on
taxpayer financed trade missions by the Administration in
Judicial Watch's Chinagate lawsuits.  In addition to McAuliffe,
the lawsuit names Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and the two
banks, Deutsche Bank and Bankers Trust.  The lawsuit alleges the
illegal transaction damages the banks' reputation and stock value
and subjects them to criminal liability.

Judicial Watch is seeking a preliminary injunction to restrain
the improper transaction, which not only violated the campaign
finance laws, but also amounts to an illegal gratuity. This means
that Judicial Watch will be in trial in weeks.  The complaint can
be found on the Internet at www.judicialwatch.org.

"By litigating this illegal bank loan, which is based on an
improper gift to the President, Judicial Watch will, in effect,
also be litigating the

legality (or lack thereof), of other illegal gifts made over the
last 6 years, such as the Clintons' legal defense funds.
Recently, it was disclosed that 6 more Chinese agents, through
Charlie Trie, donated illegal money to the funds and that the
Clinton Justice Department sought to cover this up. Accordingly,
Judicial Watch, if successful, will set the precedent not only to
nullify the illegal loan on the Clintons' mansion, but to have
them return all of the illegal legal defense fund monies
collected over the years," stated Judicial Watch Chairman Larry
Klayman. "There is no place in our democratic society for
influence peddlers to line the pockets of presidents and first
ladies.  This is government corruption of the highest order,"
Klayman added.



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[CTRL] MSNBC: Why you should get a chip implant (fwd)

1999-09-28 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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From:

MSNBC.com

MSNBC, when you really want to know.
9/28/99 5:48:05 AM

Why you should get a chip implant

A British professor had a silicon-based transponder surgically
inserted into his forearm last year. It's turned him into a
walking EZ-Pass.

http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_infobeat.asp?/news/316518.asp

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[CTRL] Blast From E Timorese Past

1999-09-28 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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From LeMondeDiplomatique -- JUNE 1999

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Conflict threatens Indonesia  *
Double-dealing in East Timor
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POST-SUHARTO SOMERSAULTS
Double-dealing in East Timor

In East Timor people have been less concerned about Indonesia's elections than the 
August referendum of the former Portuguese colony when the Timorese opt either for 
wide-ranging autonomy or independence. But the Indonesi
an army is openly arming militias opposed to the pro-independence movement, fuelling 
violence likely to thwart the electoral process.
by JEAN-PIERRE CATRY *

The United Nations secretary-general, Kofi Annan, and the Portuguese government have 
done all they can to facilitate the referendum that will decide the future of East 
Timor on 8 August. The agreement signed in New York o
n 5 May between Portugal and Indonesia refers to the Security Council resolutions (384 
and 389) that call for the withdrawal of Indonesian forces, although it does not quote 
their texts. Under the agreement these same for
ces - responsible for the deaths of one-third of the population - are supposed to 
guarantee the security of the Timorese,.
The purpose of the referendum is give the Timorese the chance to say whether they want 
the Indonesians to stay or go. It is to take place without the prior withdrawal of the 
30,000 Indonesian soldiers stationed in the ter
ritory: an annex to the memorandum just speaks of "redeployment" and no withdrawal has 
been scheduled. The UN will only be sending in police monitors (300 is the figure 
being talked about but no decision has yet been made
). The question is to what extent the changes that have taken place in Indonesia and 
the army in particular inspire confidence.
When President Suharto fell from power in May 1998, his successor, BJ Habibie, gave 
every indication of wanting to resolve the East Timor question which was damaging to 
Indonesia's image abroad. In June he promised a grad
ual troop withdrawal. On 5 August, under UN auspices, Indonesia seemed ready to 
resolve the question for the first time by offering East Timor autonomy. Talks had 
been going on since 1983.
The offer was less generous than it may seem since it came with one unacceptable 
condition: the UN and Portugal had to recognise the 1976 annexation of East Timor. 
Nonetheless, Kofi Annan and the Portuguese government dec
ide to enter into more detailed negotiations. The UN secretariat drew up a framework 
for autonomy that was as wide-ranging as the limits set by Jakarta would permit. This 
meant excluding key sectors such as security, fore
ign affairs and some areas of tax revenue, most importantly oil royalties. The leaders 
of the Timorese independence movement were willing to accept autonomy as a 
transitional phase.
The people of East Timor took advantage of a reduced police and military presence to 
demonstrate in favour of independence. A European Union mission in late June 1998 was 
interrupted by protests against army violence that
 caused the deaths of several demonstrators.
Since then signs of double-dealing by Indonesia have grown. In late July the army 
arranged for a hundred or so journalists to visit Dili to witness the withdrawal of 
1,000 soldiers. But simultaneously several thousand oth
er soldiers were being brought in under cover of darkness, landing on isolated beaches 
well away from the television cameras (1). In early October military operations 
(suspended for four months) resumed and Kofi Annan cal
led for substantial troop reductions. The Indonesian foreign minister, Ali Alatas 
replied that there were only 6,000 soldiers left in East Timor. Three days later 
detailed official figures from the army showed the true fi
gure to be 21,000.
The source of the leak, a civilian official in the military statistics division, also 
revealed that the figures did not include a further 11,000 soldiers belonging to the 
military intelligence service (SGI) - making a tot
al of 32,000 for a population of about 800,000 or one soldier for every 25 Timorese 
(2).
Civilians massacred
In November the Indonesian and Portuguese representatives were again in New York when 
news broke of a massacre of civilians in the Alas region. Portugal called for the 
negotiations to be suspended until Jakarta agreed to
an inquiry by a UN representative. Indonesian diplomats conveyed Jakarta's agreement 
and Tamrat Samuel was sent to Timor. But the military prevented him from going to Alas 
and the inquiry never took place.

[CTRL] Answer to Email Address Question

1999-09-28 Thread Aol user

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vhacop7.dvacm.gov

this is Department of Veterans' Affairs.

see:

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[CTRL] Fw: AANEWS for Tuesday, September 28, 1999

1999-09-28 Thread CobolMage

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from: AMERICAN ATHEISTS
subject: AANEWS for September 28, 1999

   A M E R I C A N   A T H E I S T S
#644 ~~~ 9/28/99
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  A Service of AMERICAN ATHEISTS
"Leading The Way For Atheist Civil Rights
 And The Separation Of State and Church"
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   In This Issue...
   * New questions reported about Columbine "martyr" claims
   * American Atheists to picket Promise Keepers this Saturday!
   * Big Apple Atheists
   * Resources
   * About this list...

   COLUMBINE "MARTYRDOM," OTHER DETAILS BEING QUESTIONED
AS OFFICIAL PROBE WINDS DOWN

The official probe into the April 20, 1999 shootings at Columbine High
School in Colorado is expected to end shortly, according a spokesman
for the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department.  Already, though, the
investigation may be casting doubts on some of the earlier reports
about the incident which left 14 students and a teacher dead.  The two
gunmen involved in the slayings who were also Columbine students, Eric
Harris and Dylan Klebold, committed suicide after their rampage.

One finding concerns the case of Cassie Bernall, the 17-year old
student who reportedly was confronted by Klebold and was asked if she
believed in God.  At least one witness claimed that the encounter took
place, and that Bernall replied "Yes" and was then shot.  Since the
incident, Bernall has been described as a modern day martyr for her
Christian faith.  Last week, her parents published a book about their
daughter's life and death titled: "She Said Yes: The Unlikely
Martyrdom of Cassie Bernall."  The story of Bernall's alleged heroism
has been widely reported in the media and even cited on the floor of
the U.S.  Congress.

Early coverage of the Columbine shooting by AANEWS, though, raised
questions as to whether this incident ever took place.  The initial
news reports were sketchy, and there was no confirmation that any of
the witnesses to the alleged encounter were actually present in the
school library where the shooting occurred, or could have clearly seen
or heard the events they so dramatically described.  We also noted the
factors which were fueling the desire to believe the story of
Bernall's "martyrdom" in an AANEWS web posting on May 18, 1999
(http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/colo8.htm ).  There were serious
questions about whether the media should have printed the story of
Bernall's death based on little or no evidence.

* On Friday, the Denver Rocky Mountain News noted: "Columbine shooting
victim may not have been asked whether she believed in God."  Writers
Dan Luzadder and Katie Kerwin McCrimmon reported that weeks after she
died, investigators informed Bernall's parents that the "now-famous"
encounter between their daughter and Klebold may not have occurred The
girl's mother, Misty Klebold, still proceeded with publication of the
book which was printed and distributed by Plough.  Nearly 300,000
copies have been distributed to bookstores, and Associated Press notes
that reorders are now coming in.

The Rocky Mountain News story notes that despite early claims by some
students that the conversation between Klebold and Bernall occurred,
"It was discrepancies in student accounts that led police to question
the Bernall testimonial."  A freshman declared that Bernall had
affirmed her belief in god, "Plain and simple."  Another student,
though, identified as 16-year-old Emily Wyant, "tells a different
story" and was reportedly crouched underneath a table two feet from
Bernall when Dylan Klebold opened fire.  "They were the only two
students studying together at the table in the back of the library"
when the shooting occurred, notes the News.

"She (Bernall) was saying, 'Dear God.  Dear God.  Why is this
happening?  I just want to go home," Emily said"

Sources report that more than fifty students were present in the
library at the time of the gun play.  Interviews with witnesses,
though, produced mixed results.  Police were able to obtain "detailed
minute aspects of the case, including who said what to whom in the
school library, and elsewhere, during the rampage."  But at least one
potential source of the Bernall encounter with Klebold came from a
student who "did not actually see the individuals involved."  When
asked by investigators later to point out where Klebold and Harris
were at that time of the shootings, he pointed to a table where a
different student victim identified as Valeen Schnurr, and not Cassie
Bernall, had been hiding.

A variant of the Bernall martyrdom account, though, is being advanced
by Schnurr's mother, according to the News.  She reportedly says that
her daughter was lying on the library floor with more than 15 bullet
wound "praying out loud, when 

[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #5

1999-09-28 Thread ric carter

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SkeptiNews 990928E - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No divine entities were dismantled to produce this bulletin. But soon...
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Gov't Chicken Boy: http://mp3.com/artists/21/government_chicken_boy.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Lawyer: Winston ad defames alien abduction victims. A so-called "UFO
  lawyer" claims he's steamed about an ad that shows a flying saucer with
  this caption: "If aliens are smart enough to travel through space, why
  do they keep abducting the dumbest people on Earth?" Peter Gersten says
  the quip is defamatory and he's encouraging abductees to come out of the
  closet and prove they're intelligent beings. Of CAUS they are:
  http://www.space.com/area51/caus_vs_tobacco_990928.html

: Have you been abducted? Are you intelligent? Can you prove it? Are you a
member/supporter of CAUS? Did you give Peter Gersten money? Is he worth it?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Scientologists beware. The Church of Virus http://lucifer.com/virus/
  is a new memetically-engineered atheistic religion that is even now
  hungrily sweeping up all your best prospects for conversion. Or become
  one with The Church Of The Otter http://tcoto.da.ru [t'CotO], eh?

: Have you engineered a new belief system lately? Since all belief systems
[Games] are modular and interchangeable, which prior Games have you borrowed
from? Do you like being a Game Master? Have you meme-infected many Players?

@ Wherein lies the truth of oral history? In the raw, fresh memory
  of an event, or a memory bathed in the light of wisdom that comes
  with distance? http://www.civmag.com/articles/C9909E06.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# YOU ARE WHAT YOU WARE. Put on an infocharm and it'll remind you
  where you've been and tell others who you are. In fact, the firm
  that makes them wants you to wear a computer everywhere you go.
  http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/tip/culture/story/21976.html

# BEHOLD, THE ?BERTOOL. It's a phone, it's a Web browser, it's a video
  camera, it's a personal digital assistant. Orange, one of the UK's
  leading cellular carriers, plans to roll out a wireless videophone
  next year. http://wired.com/news/news/tip/business/story/21970.html

: Would you rather carry a computer, wear one, swallow one, be one? Will you
have any choice about this in a couple years? Will implants be mandatory???
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ LINKING THE WORLD - SHORTWAVE RADIO THEN, THE WEB NOW. The comparison of
  the Net with the early days of radio works not just on a personal level.
  The first radio enthusiasts were much ridiculed by the chattering classes
  of th'day. They were seen as cranks with their weird equipment - crystals,
  antennae, coils, cat's whiskers, horns - and laughed at because of their
  willingness to spend long hours waiting to hear the crackling hiss of a
  distant broadcast. http://www.briefhistory.com/pages/sampler.htm

: Have you a lifelong yearning to connect? Did you connect at an early age?
Were you a pioneer, an enthusiast? Were you ridiculed? Are you smug now? Eh?

@ Why are there Braille resources in a medium that requires sight?
  Are you blindly curious? http://www.nyise.org/braille.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Japan doomsday cult may change name. TOKYO (AP)  The Japanese cult accused
  of a deadly Tokyo subway gassing and other killings may change its name 
  admit that its members were behind the attacks. Then everything will be
  just fine. http://infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561375252-6b6

: Have you changed the name of y'r doomsday cult lately? Did everyone forget
about all the foul, evil deeds you have done? Have you confessed? What name
did you use in the confession? Have you changed your doomsday date? When to?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Terror In The Sanctuary. Many evangelicals have begun to see "committed
  Christians" as the latest victims of hate crimes of the sort perpetrated
  upon blacks, women and gays. They have also begun to view those attacks in
  terms of the history of their faith - as acts of Satan, and as part of a
  persecution that stretches back to the earliest days of Christianity,
  during which countless believers suffered/died for professing their faith.
  http://www.pathfinder.com/time/magazine/articles/0,3266,31191,00.html

: Does expansionist faiths practice cultural genocide, trying to wipe out
traditional belief/culture/social systems? Is payback fair? Is your culture
threatened by intolerant proselytizers? How do you react? With self-defense?

@ Sentiment is a poor basis for law, and a dangerous tool in politics.
  Maybe some unwinnable wars are best left unfought. Hate crimes?
  http://www.nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/19990926mag-hate-essay.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ The great Museum of the History of Science http://galileo.imss.firenze.it/
  in 

Re: [CTRL] Fw: WACO BEFORE WACO--Militarization of the Police-

1999-09-28 Thread Gavin Phillips

 -Caveat Lector-

And then came The Oklahoma City Bombing. Government murder of 169 people and
injuring 700 more. When's the next "trial balloon." Y2K anyone? Gavin

 America:  A Stinking Police State!

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:16:49 EDT

 A HREF="http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/9/22/85323"remember the
 Move/A

 The Waco Before Waco
 Richard Poe
 September 22, 1999

 With the exception of Geraldo Rivera, most Americans seem to have grasped,
 by
 now, that responsibility for the Waco massacre goes all the way to the top.
 Even so, we cannot pin the blame solely on Bill and Hillary.
 The militarization of U.S. policing has proceeded unchecked through
 Republican and Democratic administrations alike. Indeed, one of the earliest
 Waco-like incidents occurred on May 13, 1985, long before Bill Clinton was
 even a blip on the political radar screen.

 That day, police emptied 10,000 rounds of ammunition into a house in West
 Philadelphia, in a ninety-minute period. They fired Uzis, shotguns, M-16s,
 ..50-caliber machineguns, Browning semiautomatic rifles and M-60
 machineguns.
 A 20mm antitank gun was also on hand, though police claim they never fired
 it.

 Later that day, a canvas satchel containing four and a half pounds of C-4
 plastic explosive was dropped on the house by helicopter. The ensuing fire
 consumed not only that house, but sixty others, leaving the neighborhood a
 smoking ruin.

 At whom was all this firepower aimed? The targets were four men, three women
 and six children — members of an anti-government, urban survivalist cult
 called MOVE. Police say the cultists shot first, after lawmen tried to
 arrest
 four of them.

 But Police Commissioner Gregore Sambor inadvertently cast doubt on this
 claim
 when he testified that the first shots came from automatic weapons. MOVE had
 no such weapons — only two shotguns, two pistols and one .22-caliber rifle..

 In any case, all MOVE members in the house were killed that day, except for
 one woman and one 13-year-old boy.

 Back in 1986, I attended the trial of Ramona Africa — the lone adult
 survivor
 of the MOVE house — and wrote a cover story about the massacre for the East
 Village Eye. In that article, I suggested that the scorched-earth tactics
 used against MOVE were a trial balloon, designed to test public reaction to
 a
 new style of ultra-violent policing.

 My theory rested partly on the fact that federal agencies had encouraged and
 facilitated the MOVE massacre behind the scenes. The FBI, for instance,
 provided C-4, a military explosive forbidden to civilian police. The Bureau
 of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms provided permission and tax waivers for
 other military weapons.

 Most curious, however, were the "reforms” enacted in the massacre’s wake..
 Arguing that the slaughter had resulted from random bungling by overzealous
 cops, Mayor W. Wilson Goode announced a sweeping reorganization supposedly
 aimed at increasing the professionalism of Philadelphia police.

 Goode’s proposals ranged from the creation of an elite counter-terrorist
 strike force, to the establishment of unprecedented liaisons with federal
 law
 enforcement agencies, to training for police at military facilities, and
 even
 to anti-terrorist schools and "crisis management” training for city
 officials
 by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).

 In short, Goode called for more of the very same medicine that had caused
 the
 problem in the first place: outside meddling from federal goons.

 Years later, in 1993, federal "crisis management” once again made headlines,
 this time in Waco, Texas. Parallels between the MOVE and Waco massacres read
 like guidelines drawn from the same tactical handbook.

 In both cases, last-minute offers to negotiate were ignored by lawmen. In
 both cases, fires were deliberately allowed to burn out of control. Both at
 Waco and at the MOVE house, people trying to escape the flames were forced
 back inside by gunfire.

 Even more startling, lawmen in both cases claimed that the cultists had set
 fire to themselves. In the midst of a civil suit brought by MOVE survivors
 and relatives, Lt. Frank Powell suddenly anounced that the fire had been
 deliberately set by MOVE members, not by the bomb he dropped.

 "They chose their own end," Powell told reporters on May 1, 1996. MOVE
 members had doused the roof with flammable liquid, then torched it, Powell
 said.

 His claim — which contradicted the findings of the city Fire Marshal and the
 mayor’s MOVE Commission — evidently did not impress the jury, which awarded
 Ramona Africa and relatives of two other MOVE victims $1.5 million in
 damages.

 If the MOVE bombing really was a trial balloon, it was evidently a
 successful
 one. The media accepted the story of bungling, overzealous cops. Public
 outrage was confined to ineffectual liberal handwringing, much of it
 centered
 around the irrelevant fact that 

Re: [CTRL] Monsanto and water-resource plotting

1999-09-28 Thread Dave

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Corporate charter is granted by a State, yes?
It can be REVOKED by that State, and it has been done before.
I wish you all good success, and if you need any help with research and
contact networking, lemme know.


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Monsanto and water-resource plotting


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Dave wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 This is one company that is very RIPE for corporate death.
 REVOKE! Monsanto's corporate charter.

Who, exactly, should revoke Monsanto's charter??? And if someone could
revoke Monsanto's charter, why hasn't anyone done so for Monsanto's past
crimes?

Answer these questions, and you will have the sword to kill the Dragon.

I have been working on this for years, and I have almost completed a plan
that will do just this. Yesterday ( Sunday ) I spoke with Ralph Nader on
this very subject. Thanks to his explanation of the legal obstacles, I
now have the perspective I've been missing. I believe I know how to overcome
these obstacles.

Joshua2


 Dave Hartley
 http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
 http://www.ioa.com/~davehart

 INDEPENDENT (London) September 26

 By Geoffrey Lean

 MONSANTO, the genetically modified food giant, drew up plans to make
 billions of dollars out of the world's water crisis, confidential company
 documents reveal. The documents, seen by the Independent on Sunday,
 identify a "vast economic opportunity" for the company in impending global
 shortages of resources such as water.

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Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy -the second curve

1999-09-28 Thread Dave

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bulletproof ignorance... complete safety from scarey facts.

Dave Hartley
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-Original Message-
From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy -the second curve


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In a message dated 9/27/99 9:46:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 You have to PROVE them wrong.  You cannot ASSUME them to be wrong. 


Actually...the onus is on those making wild and silly
claims"Extraordinary claims
require extraordinary proof"...words to live by my gullible friend!
I assume them to be DEAD WRONG...
Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Homeo Hit Piece

1999-09-28 Thread Dave

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Speaking of airheads  oxymorons.. the gibbering of the boastfully ignorant
is hardly of any use to a person capable of independent thought and personal
research.

It's always amusing to watch the Budwieser crowd parrotting the stuff
they're fed by their TOOBs  amusing in a very tragic way, though..
Budman is the cash crop of the very system of petrochemical  pharmaceutical
poisonous "medicine" which he slavishly worships, fearful of the power that
the white-coated doctor of iatrogenesis holds over him- the power of health
itself.. which  poor Budman gladly gives up any responsibility for, in
return for the TOOB's glowing platitudes nitey-nite, Budman you're
in good hands with your TOOB...


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


-Original Message-
From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
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Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 6:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Homeo Hit Piece


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In a message dated 9/27/99 4:07:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Also was
 given a concoction of veg juices once that worked better
 than any pharmaceutical pain killer for a knee condition I
 have...I was working and the knee tightened up, and a
 homeopath whizzed the stuff up and I have to admit it was
 the most amazing recovery I have ever experienced. 



Just to echo the sage words of Ric...A homeopath offering a veg juice
cocktail is no different than a homeopath offering prednisone or even
surgery...none of these things, though certainly more effective (not
certainly with a veggie drink) have nothing to do with the quackery that is
the basis of so-called "homeopathic medicine"..
Homeopathic medicine, now THERE'S an oxymoron!

Bill.

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[CTRL] I have few regrets over the public shaming of Clinton (fwd)

1999-09-28 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER

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Electronic Telegraph
Tuesday 28 September 1999


'I have few regrets over the public shaming of Clinton'



A year ago the world could talk of nothing but Bill Clinton,
Monica Lewinsky and the man who had forced them to disclose every
sordid detail of their affair: Ken Starr. On the eve of a lecture
in London, he talks to Daniel Johnson.



THE President was impeached for high crimes and misdemeanours,
and censured by Congress but he is still in the White House.
Since then Mr Starr, the Independent Counsel, has kept his own
counsel.

 Today he will deliver a lecture before a packed hall of
Telegraph readers, chaired by the Daily Telegraph's editor,
Charles Moore, under the auspices of the Institute of United
States Studies at London University. On the eve of this, his
first big public appearance since he almost drove a president
from office, he spoke to me in his hotel.

 The grimly bespectacled prosecutor is only the public face. In
private he is a witty and benign companion. He enjoys a Martini
and is relaxed on the subject of sex: by no means the prudish
teetotaler portrayed by the White House. One of the best legal
minds of his generation, he speaks in perfectly grammatical
sentences, with the same exhaustive precision as his celebrated
report.

 By doing his duty with such thoroughness, Mr Starr has almost
certainly sacrificed his ambition of becoming a justice on the
Supreme Court. He is still a hero to many. While we had dinner,
two Americans came up to our table to shake his hand: "A damn
fine job you did, Mr Starr."

He cannot disguise his withering contempt for Mr Clinton's
failure to face the consequences of his mendacity. But he does
not hate the President, who treated him "graciously" when grilled
by the Grand Jury. Hillary Clinton is another matter: they have
met three times and evidently detest one another.

 Mr Starr brought no charges against her over Whitewater. That
did not deter the First Lady from smearing him. Was she fit to
run for the Senate in New York? "No comment."

 Was last year's Lewinsky crisis worthwhile? "Yes. It was most
unfortunate for the country to have to go through this ordeal.
But there was evidence of serious wrong-doing."

 He is gratified that "the report's accuracy is, I believe,
generally accepted". It was for Congress, not him, to reach a
political judgment on what to do with the President. He accepts
that judgment.

 Mr Starr refuses to admit to personal feelings of disappointment
or anger at the President's clinging to office. But "I was struck
by the fact that so many commentators and editorial boards across
the country felt that [resignation] would have been the right and
honourable thing to do."

 What of Miss Lewinsky? Did he not regret her personal distress?
"She - as an obviously highly intelligent young adult, a
professional, a college graduate - made a most unfortunate
judgment, and that was that she would commit federal crimes in
order to obstruct the judicial process in the form of a civil
sexual harassment action [the Paula Jones case].

 "Not only that: she importuned another person, Linda Tripp, to
likewise engage in federal crimes. That was serious business. She
did it not on the spur of the moment; she did it over a
considerable period of time. She knowingly went to one of the
most powerful lawyers in the country, who in turn guided her to
another lawyer to prepare what she knew to be a perjurious
affidavit. One should not blink at those kinds of offences."

 Reverting to his real quarry, Mr Starr continued: "Once the
relationship came to light in January 1998 . . . the President
decided not to tell the truth. In one of the most unfortunate
episodes of the entire drama, the President determined in
consultation with Mr [Dick] Morris to take a poll on whether to
tell the truth.

 "Mr Morris had advised him that the American people would
readily forgive an adulterous relationship, but they would not be
forgiving of offences against the justice system. And the
President informed him, 'Well, we will just have to win, then'.
Thus, instead of telling the truth, admitting the facts and
seeking forgiveness of family and nation, he launched a campaign
designed to erode confidence in the duly appointed system of
justice.

 "For her part, Miss Lewinsky likewise chose not to be readily
forthcoming. She put the nation through seven months of a
wretched and miserable 24-hour news cycle. Miss Lewinsky did not
co-operate until July 1998. This could have been over in
January."

Was he shocked by the fact that public opinion took such a
lenient view of Mr Clinton? "There was deep ambivalence,
manifested by the fact that those who opposed his removal from
office with almost equal fervour denounced his acts. But a line
was drawn between misconduct applying to his personal affairs and
possible abuse of his high office."

 Presumably child molesting or polygamy would still not be
acceptable, he chuckled. "Congress has arrived at an uneasy
balance, 

Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy Hit Piece..reply

1999-09-28 Thread TenebrousT

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In a message dated 9/28/99 11:08:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 And life expectancy in India is about 49 years, rather less than in
  countries practicing western medicine.  That's the problem with the
  old 'medical' traditions - patients tend to die young.  Bother.

This is a facetious argument.  The culture and the living conditions are
vastly different.  You cannot equate the use of "western medicine" and long
life, any more than you can say that the Indian's use of "old 'medical'
traditions" is the reason their life expectancy is 49 years as opposed to 76
or so in the west.  There are too many factors involved.

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Re: [CTRL] For women--danger in feminine products

1999-09-28 Thread Tenorlove

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Thanks Robert, I'll pass this to the person who sent it to me. I knew
you people on the CTRL list would come through!

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Do You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Re: [CTRL] Error 404: File Not Found/Parascope

1999-09-28 Thread TenebrousT

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In a message dated 9/28/99 5:34:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Cany anybody help me on this?  I can hardly open anything at the
  Paracsope site.  I can't even use the search.  I keep getting this:

Try just going to Parascope.com, then navigate through the site rather than
accessing pages through the string.  It should work.

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Re: [CTRL] Homeopathy Hit Piece..reply

1999-09-28 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  And life expectancy in India is about 49 years, rather less than in
   countries practicing western medicine.  That's the problem with the
   old 'medical' traditions - patients tend to die young.  Bother.
 
 This is a facetious argument.  The culture and the living conditions
 are vastly different.  You cannot equate the use of "western medicine"
 and long life, any more than you can say that the Indian's use of "old
 'medical' traditions" is the reason their life expectancy is 49 years
 as opposed to 76 or so in the west.  There are too many factors involved.

Yup, many factors, but all hinging on the willingness to experiment,
to test ideas, rather than submit to doctrine.  The generally better
health of Western life lifestyles involves sanitation, modern medicine,
a systematic approach to life sciences.  If ya don't buy into the
germ theory of disease, ya have a hard time dealing with disease.  If
ya don't relentlessly scrutinize the factors relating to disease and
health, ya have a hard time reducing disease and improving health.  The
proof is in the pudding - traditional societies, doctrinaire societies,
aren't nearly as conducive to health  happiness as the Western world.
If traditional Indian life  medicine were appealing, the world would
be flocking into India.  People aren't dumb.  They vote with their
feet.  Those who can, head to Europe, North America, Australia, etc.

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Re: [CTRL] For women--danger in feminine products

1999-09-28 Thread piper

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Have you heard that tampon makers include asbestos in tampons?
I can not comfirm the asbestos but the dioxion is true, check
your local heath food store for alturnative tampons.

I do not like tampons or antibacterial soap.
And any male that makes himself a biohazard
by using antibacterial soap before the horizontal
festivities is NOT getting festive with me

the Orientals outlawed tampons - late last year / early this year
none to be found - They have also won several law suits with
Novartis.  Wonder why it is hard to find these in the American
news?
Pied Piper

earthman wrote:

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 Can anyone confirm this before I pass it on?
 I wouldn't want to waste their time with a hoax.

 Peter

 We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
 http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage
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 - Original Message -
 From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 1:26 PM
 Subject: [CTRL] For women--danger in feminine products

  -Caveat Lector-
 
  Got this in my email. I knew about the dioxin in white coffee filters,
  but this is news to me
 
  Tenorlove
  --
  Subject:  WARNING for females... (O-Sh)
  Please  pass on to as many women as possible . . .
  If you use pads, but especially if you use tampons read this and pass
  on to your friends (for the men receiving this email, please forward it
  to your friends, significant others, sisters, mothers, daughters, etc.)
  thanks! Have you heard that tampon makers include asbestos in tampons?
  Why would they do this? Because asbestos makes you bleed more . . . if
  you bleed more, you're going to need to use more. Why isn't this
  against the law since asbestos is so dangerous? Because the powers that
  be, in all their wisdom(not), did not consider tampons as being
  ingested, and
  therefore wasn't illegal or considered dangerous. This month's Essence
  magazine has a small article about this and they mention two
  manufacturers of a cotton tampon alternative. The companies are Organic
  Essentials @ (800) 765-6491 and Terra Femme @ (800)755-0212. A woman
  getting her Ph.D. at University of Colorado @ Boulder sent the
  following: "I am writing this because women are not being informed
  about the dangers of something most of us use - tampons. I am taking a
  class this month and I have been learning a lot about biology and
  woman, including much about feminine hygiene. Recently we have learned
  that tampons are actually dangerous (for other reasons than TSS). I'll
  tell you this, after learning about this in our class, most of the
  females wound up feeling angry and upset with the tampon industry, and
  I for one, am going to do something about it. To start, I want to
  inform everyone I can, and email is the fastest way that I know how.
  Here is the scoop: Tampons contain two things that are potentially
  harmful: Rayon (for absorbency), and dioxin (a chemical used in
  bleaching the products). The tampon industry is convinced that we, as
  women, need bleached white products - in order to view the product as
  pure and clean. The problem here is that the dioxin produced in this
  bleaching process can lead to very harmful problems for a woman. Dioxin
  is potentially carcinogenic (cancer-associated) and is toxic to the
  immune and reproductive systems. It has also been linked to
  endometriosis and lower sperm counts for men- for both, it breaks down
  the immune system. Last September the Environmental Protection Agency
  (EPA) reported that there really is no set "acceptable" level of
  exposure to dioxin given that it is cumulative and slow to
  disintegrate. The real danger comes from repeated contact (Karen
  Houppert "Pulling the Plug on the Tampon Industry"). I'd say using
  about 4-5 tampons a day, five days a month, for 38 menstruating years
  is "repeated contact", wouldn't you? Rayon contributes to the danger of
  tampons and dioxin because its a highly absorbent substance. Therefore,
  when fibers from the tampons are left behind in the vagina (as it
  usually occurs), it creates a breeding ground for the dioxin. It also
  stays in a lot longer than it would with just cotton tampons. This is
  also the reason why TSS (toxic shock syndrome) occurs. WHAT ARE THE
  ALTERNATIVES? Using feminine hygiene products that aren't bleached and
  that are all cotton. Other feminine hygiene products (pads/napkins)
  contain dioxin as well, but they are not nearly as dangerous since they
  are not in direct contact with the vagina. The pads/napkins need to
  stop being bleached, but obviously tampons are the most dangerous. So,
  what can you do if you can't give up using tampons? Use tampons, that
  are made from 100% cotton, and that are UNBLEACHED. Unfortunately,
  there are very, very few companies that make these safe tampons. They
  are usually only found in health 

[CTRL] (Fwd) NCPA Policy Digest 9-28-99

1999-09-28 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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National Center For Policy Analysis
POLICY DIGEST
Tuesday, September 28, 1999

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IN TODAY'S DIGEST

   o   SOCIAL SECURITY REFORM WITHOUT TAX INCREASES or benefit
   cuts is possible with personal retirement accounts,
   concludes a new studyNCPA

   o   THE STOCK MARKET FELL DUE TO THE TAX-CUT VETO, says
   Lawrence Kudlow, because long-term growth will be
   lowerWASHINGTON TIMES

   o   A PANEL OF SCIENTISTS FOUND PLASTIC SOFTENERS ARE SAFE,
   but a number of countries have banned such products...NEW
   YORK TIMES

   o   TEMPORARY IMMIGRANT VISAS LEAD TO ABUSE  FRAUD, say
   observers, while permanent status for skilled workers
   would benefit the economyINVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY

   o   A EUROPEAN COURT SAYS BRITISH MILITARY MUST ACCEPT
   HOMOSEXUALS, overturning a 30-year-old policyNEW YORK
   TIMES

   o   CANADIANS WAIT FOUR MONTHS OR MORE FOR HEALTH CARE from
   specialists -- 43 percent longer than in 1993FRASER
   INSTITUTE

   o   EXPERTS QUESTION THE RELIABILITY OF EYEWITNESSES and
   several convictions have been overturnedAMERICAN BAR
   ASSOCIATION JOURNAL

   o   PREFUNDING MEDICARE, OR GIVING SENIORS VOUCHERS to pay for
   a health plan, should encourage efficiency, say
   economistsAMERICAN ECONOMIC REVIEW

IN TODAY'S NEWS

COMPARING PROPOSALS FOR SOCIAL SECURITY REFORM

The projected federal budget surplus offers an opportunity to
reform Social Security and eliminate its current multi-trillion
dollar unfunded liability, says a new study by the National
Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA).

In the first comprehensive comparative analysis of major reform
proposals before Congress, the NCPA study found that Social
Security's future funding crisis can be averted by allowing
workers to put some of their Social Security payroll tax dollars
into personal retirement accounts invested in the private capital
market.

The NCPA study analyzed reform plans proposed by Sens. Phil Gramm
and Pete Domenici; Reps. Bill Archer and Clay Shaw; and a
bipartisan proposal by Sens. John Breaux, Judd Gregg and Bob
Kerrey in the Senate and Reps. Jim Kolbe and Charlie Stenholm in
the House.  In addition, the study analyzed a proposal offered by
the NCPA in conjunction with the Private Enterprise Research
Center (PERC) at Texas AM University.

The plans analyzed differ in the extent to which personal
retirement accounts replace Social Security benefits.

   o   Under the Archer-Shaw plan, young people entering the
   workforce today would rely on their personal retirement
   accounts for about half of their Social Security benefits
   (see Figure XII
   http://www.ncpa.org/studies/s227/s227f11.gif ).

   o   Under the Gramm-Domenici plan, today's young workers would
   rely on their personal retirement accounts for two-thirds
   of their Social Security benefits.

   o   By mid-century under the bipartisan plan, retirees would
   rely on their accounts for about 70 percent of their
   benefits; however, those benefits would be significantly
   smaller because of increases in the retirement age and
   adjustments in the benefit formulas.

Although the short-term cost of funding the transition to
personal retirement accounts is high -- requiring almost all of
the budget surplus -- changing the system now will more than pay
for itself and require much lower tax rates than are projected
under the current system (see Figure XIII
http://www.ncpa.org/studies/s227/s227f13.gif ).

Source: Liqun Liu and Andrew J. Rettenmaier, "Comparing Proposals
for Social Security Reform," NCPA Policy Report No. 227,
September 1999, National Center for Policy Analysis, 12655 N.
Central Expy., Suite 720, Dallas, Texas 75243, (972) 396-6272.

For text http://www.ncpa.org/studies/s227/s227.html

For more on Plans for Partial Privatization
http://www.ncpa.org/pi/congress/cong5d.html

STOCK MARKET RESPONDS TO TAX-CUT VETO

Most economic commentators are attributing the recent downturn in
stock prices -- also known as a market correction -- to the
Federal Reserve's threatened interest rate 

[CTRL] 09-27-64

1999-09-28 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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Via
From:   "Bruce H.G. Calder" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization:   Calder.Net
To: (Your History has Arrived) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bruce H.G. Calder's September 27, 1964
THIS DAY IN HISTORY

-United States-
The 888 page Warren Commission report on the assassination of
President John Kennedy is released. The report concludes that
Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. As years pass, proponents of various
conspiracy theories will claim the assassination was ordered by
and/or carried out by (to name a few) the CIA, a group of Texas
millionaires, the Mafia, the Soviet Union, and Cuba.

Warren Commission Documents Database
  http://www.jmasland.com/cd_frm.htm
Connally's widow says Warren Commission wrong
  http://www.capitolhillblue.com/Nov1998/connallynov16.htm
JFK Assassination Research Materials
  http://www.pe.net/~atd/
The Puzzle Palace
  http://www.boston.quik.com/amarsh/
Information on JFK
  http://darwin.dsm.fordham.edu/ejs/jfk/jfk.html
The men who killed President John F. Kennedy
  http://www.koelle.dk/
Assassination Conspiracies
  http://www.terminator3armageddon.com/conspira/assassin.html
No conspiracy behind Kennedy's assassination: report
  http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/19981001/27450294.html
The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza
  http://www.jfk.org/


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Re: [CTRL] Foolishness of Legalisms vs the IRS

1999-09-28 Thread Dave

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IRS seems to be nearing the end of it's days. If y2k doesn't finish it the
House of Representatives might- there are a few members who are very
committed to doing away with it.

Quite a bit of information on it's illegality in circulation.

I know this guy, Paul Mitchell- who's legally brilliant (personally
difficult)
He wrote a reasonably well known work know as "The Federal Zone"
http://www.supremelaw.com

The CD this guy put out is pretty good:
http://www.notaxdue.com

Tons of other stuff out there, but these are the only two guys I have
personal knowledge of.

KUDOS to Sean- I'm not here to whine about stuff and flagellate myself with
powerlessness.
Share information and look for opportunities for group actions.
Consider voting Natural Law Party.



Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


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From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
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Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 9:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Foolishness of Legalisms vs the IRS


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Original Message Follows
From: Lloyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Finally!  Someone defines the foolishness of challenging
the IRS in court.
..
SM:
So foolish that some succeed.  So foolish that we will ignore the fact that
if more did it, it would gain some momentum.

The entire legals system is often based on conflicting interpretations of
WORDS.  We can either let the system as is go on and let it take us where it
wishes or we can fight to define things according to the people. [a good
example is "national security" - few actually feel more secure by following
the policies of those that are in charge of "national security"]

If we do not challenge institutions like the IRS on legal grounds and
encourage people to take actions like this against those that prey on the
apathetic, on those that refuse to defend themselves, we are complicit with
the beast.  We know what the IRS does is wrong and I hear some saying "We
can do nothing."

Friends, it seems to me that the only reason beyond entertainment to attempt
to uncover conspiracies is so that the PEOPLE will have an idea of who their
oppressors are.  These oppressors succeed largely because they are unknown
to people and because they use massive amounts of media hype to convince
people that they actually have the resources to fight every individual
and/or group that decides to fight for freedom.

99% of "law and order" is maintained by convincing people who can do
something that they can do nothing.

Let's not help the man to maintain a threat.

Are we here to eloquently bitch or to share EMPOWERING information?

I say if you are not willing to stand your ground on what is right then you
are merely compost for natural selection, perhaps rightfully so.

Rights, as we know them, are an abstract head game.  Real rights, rights
that are fair to everyone concerned, are implemented by united communities
that have said to hell with doubt.  I guess you have 3 choices: accept
things as they are and stop bitching about corruption or try to reach out
and heal corporate CEO's that are out of touch with the land they rape or
let the man know you ain't takin' no more shit.

In other words, either acknowledge your master or befriend your adversary or
kick the schoolyard bully in the nuts.

p.s. according to some information that circulates through the army special
forces [saying no more about that], the american people have the american
military outgunned 6 to 1.

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Re: [CTRL] CLINTON DOUBTS FBI'S MOTIVES Suggests Focus On China G...

1999-09-28 Thread Das GOAT

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In a message dated 99-09-28 23:06:43 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Disputing Reno's oft-quoted assertions of a vigorous investigation, FBI
agent Daniel Wehr told the committee that the initial lead attorney in the
inquiry, Laura Ingersoll, told the agents they should ''not pursue any
matter related to solicitation of funds for access to the president. The
reason given was, 'That's the way the American political process works.' I
was scandalized by that.''

Yes, that's the truth.  That's the way the American political process works.

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