This is false.
A hydrogen fuel cell vehicle *is* electric. Every bit of it.
The article correctly states that the vehicle is electric drive.
The only difference is where you *store* the energy. It stores it in both a
battery and the hydrogen (so yes, it’s a hybrid), and there is no combustion.
But no stick shift, so it fails the spec requirement.
- Mark
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> On Oct 29, 2018, at 2:31 PM, Lawrence Rhodes
> wrote:
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 11:42:12 -0700
> From: Mark Abramowitz
> To: Lawrence Rhodes , Electric Vehicle
> Discussion
delivered over
> 113,000 vehicles (per Bloomberg as of tonight), each with a ~80kWh battery
> pack. That's over 9 GIGAWATT HOURS of EV batteries ON THE ROAD now, just in
> Model 3's. Just who has done more than that?
>
> -Tom
>
>> On 10/27/2018 1:58 PM, Mark
Wow.
- Mark
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> On Oct 27, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Michael Ross wrote:
>
> The gigafactory doubles global production. That should do it, but they are
> building more.
>
>> On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 2:58 PM Mark Abramowitz
>> wrote:
>> I agree on everything exce
I agree on everything except on the characterization of Tesla as preeminent
battery supplier. What about BYD? Others?
- Mark
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> On Oct 27, 2018, at 7:22 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
>
> In the grand schema Tesla is just a tiny contributor to the global
>
Yes, I saw the price, and the performance, and the stick shift. It looked
practical to me for that purpose (though out of my price range). You don’t
think the girls would think it’s cool?
C’mon dad. It would be a great birthday present. ;-)
- Mark
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> On
Didn’t Bruce just post an article about a converted Corvette that left the
stick shift in?!
- Mark
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> On Oct 27, 2018, at 9:08 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
>
> We live in San Francisco. Having a vehicle for each driver/task is not
> practical mostly
OK, I see the confusion. You said “lower” which I interpreted as a lower
number, or tighter. You meant the opposite.
Getting back to the main point you made, that they are seeking a “bailout”, as
you put it, it’s unclear from those articles what exactly they are seeking on
the non-ZEV side.
Th
I’m not following you. Lower emission standards are MORE costly, right?
Even if not, I can see how you want to call it a bailout, but I guess that’s
the case with any regulatory scheme. But I never hear it called a bailout.
As far as Tesla, it’s hard to say the impact. Up until a certain point,
Most people I know don’t have multiple cars for multiple purposes, unless they
are wealthy.
Most do have a “one car fits all”.
- Mark
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> On Oct 25, 2018, at 6:58 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
>
> Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>> The Stella is an awesome example
I appreciate the cynicism, but I find no evidence of that.
That article is old, but I suspect that the data still applies. It says nothing
about a government bailout.
So they are losing money on the Bolt. The Prius lost money for 10 years, but is
Toyota’s most popular car. These folks are in
How about PV paint?
- Mark
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> On Oct 22, 2018, at 12:01 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
>
> Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>> I think what would be interesting, perhaps not so practical, would be to
>> design an EV for aerodynamcis. But, when parked, it would "unfur
ill make the industry grow.
>
> Peri
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV"
> To: "Lawrence Winiarski" ; "Electric Vehicle
> Discussion List"
> Cc: "Mark Abramowitz"
> Sent: 19-Oct-18 4:36:16 PM
> Sub
You’re too late - Total bought the biggest EV charging company in the UK.
- Mark
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> On Oct 19, 2018, at 3:21 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via EV
> wrote:
>
> Well if the Idea of Homicidal, Petroleum producers, having control of the EV
> industry doesn't bother
ged in 5 minutes,
> it would not have been any faster for me.
>
> John
> ---
> John G. Blair
> Occidental, California
> 707-874-2399
> http://www.blairstudio.com - Impressionistic Art
> i...@jgblairphoto.com
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 3:1
You’re absolutely correct.
In most cases the negativity impacts the stock, not the product or the
consumer.
Despite some of legitimate comments made here about the failure to deliver on
its promises, what Tesla HAS delivered is incredible.
For those who find the price not affordable to them,
I’ve been told $20.
- Mark
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> On Oct 17, 2018, at 2:07 PM, Jay Summet via EV wrote:
>
> My understanding is that the cost to use the supercharger network à la carte
> is relatively reasonable (price wise) when compared to buying gasoline for a
> trip of a
Peri nailed it - at least as far as California is concerned.
I think that the attitude is pretty small picture. We’re spending a lot on
*incentives* to get people to buy them. This is a disincentive. EVERYBODY
benefits when someone buys an EV.
But...we do need a solution to pay for the roads.
I’m 95% sure that you can, as long as it hasn’t been registered yet. If you are
California, the same applies to the state rebate and to the car scrapping
program rebate.
- Mark
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> On Oct 15, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Charles Galpin via EV wrote:
>
> Do you still
Yeah, I get most of that.
When the roadster came out, he promised his “affordable” car within a few
years. I expected about $30-35k. But it is what it is.
As far as the electronics, I think that you’re seeing the future. Both my Mirai
and Clarity collect tons of data, though there is nothing (t
If cost is the only thing stopping you, I would seriously try running the
numbers, and be sure that you take into accounts any tax credits, local or
state rebates, and regional trade-in programs. Not to mention, if you don’t
already have an EV, monthly fuel savings. And consider a lease (if Tesl
Thank you, brucepd5!
Very good to hear.
I’ll be sure to spread the word where I see or hear misinformation on this.
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On Sep 10, 2018, at 12:21 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
>> find a way to dispose/donate/sell them<
>
> https://www.batteryrecyclersofamerica.com/contact/
>
>
lithium slurry on there.
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On Sep 9, 2018, at 4:16 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV
wrote:
I agree with Marco.
To my knowledge, squeezing out the rest of the life through energy
storage is really the only next useful stage for these batteries. The
y cannot be recycled.
Sent from
I agree with Marco.
To my knowledge, squeezing out the rest of the life through energy storage is
really the only next useful stage for these batteries. The y cannot be recycled.
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> On Sep 9, 2018, at 6:09 AM, Barry Oppenheim via EV wrote:
>
> I recently took my Saturn Vue
They want the entire cost to be paid by EV drivers?!
Just incredible.
---
- Mark
On 2018-07-18 16:58, Gail Lucas via EV wrote:
Add a big tax to the electricity used for charging EVs. Is this group
sponsored by oil interests?
On 7/18/2018 4:34 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
How do they thi
I think they would say to take it from the fund designed for that.
Apparently the legislature has a habit of hijacking some of those funds
for other uses.
Don’t get me wrong, I had issues with the bill that passed (and
unfortunately lost my legislator over it), such as the new fee for EVs.
I think that it’s only a growing and serious threat if they don’t
identify (and fix) the root cause(s) of the problem.
Many parts of this story are bleeding edge - some problems are to be
expected, as with anything else.
And...they better not name the next iteration “Pinto”!
---
- Mark
On 2
I think that you’re comparing apples and oranges. The Clarity is larger
and more of a luxury car than the Leaf. I’ve had the fuel cell version
for over a year and love it. My son is getting one soon, too. Great EV,
no matter where you store the energy!
---
- Mark
On 2018-05-16 19:47, Lawrence
I don't see anything "erratic" here, except the driver. Idiots drive
Tesla's, too.
--
- Mark
On May 11, 2018 at 3:11:15 PM, Peri Hartman via EV (ev@lists.evdl.org)
wrote:
> Almost no reporting on this. Does that mean people are becoming
> complacent with Tesla's that do "erratic" things?
> P
I didn't read the article, and don't want to defend an anti-EV hack, but
on the question of volume, I can assure you that it can be an issue in
the real world. As I always say, it's a question of the application and
duty cycle.
One example I can think of is the experience of FedEx delivery tru
Mary also said that GM believes in an all electric future, a future
where she did not see hybrids long term.
---
- Mark
On 2018-03-09 19:45, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/07/mary-barra-gm-ceraweek-chevy-bolt.html
GM increasing Chevy Bolt production in a step toward all-el
Best of luck. Hang in there!
--
Mark Abramowitz
From: brucedp5 via EV (mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org)
Reply: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
(mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org)
Date: February 25, 2018 at 11:30:00 PM
To: ev@lists.evdl.org (mailto:ev@lists.evdl.org)
CC: brucedp5 (mailto:bruce...@juno.com)
Su
I would check to see if US. DOT has implemented it. They were the first federal
agency participating in the DOE Workplace Charging Challenge. I know that they
installed 50 Level 1 chargers at their headquarters. They would be an obvious
place to have implemented those provisions.
Otherwise, yo
te:
>
> Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
>> I'm always reluctant to recommend large scale solutions relying on lead acid
>> batteries.
>>
>> The adverse environmental impacts of plants that process them are huge,
>> contaminating nearby communities with
Let me add that the percentage of recycled batteries is not the big problem,
but those that ARE recycled.
As you say, much gets recycled in other countries where there are weak laws,
and lots of emissions.
But even if you look in this country, the requirements are still weak enough to
cause m
I'm always reluctant to recommend large scale solutions relying on lead acid
batteries.
The adverse environmental impacts of plants that process them are huge,
contaminating nearby communities with lead emissions for which there is no safe
exposure.
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> On Jan 23, 2018, at
He didn't apologize and move...and you think he "learned"?
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> On Jan 16, 2018, at 8:11 PM, Seth Rothenberg via EV wrote:
>
> I went to visit my brother and really needed to charge.
> The 3 spots in front of the evGo station were ICEd.
> Been here before.
>
> I parked facing
ting demands. How fast
> is the housing unit growth in the neighborhood? The utility may not be
> increasing the power in ratio to the # of units coming online.
>
> -Tom
>
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:20 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV
> wrote:
>
>> Dubious or not, our loc
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> Virus-free.
> www.avg.com
> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail>
> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 2:
rket share, even in their brief heyday. What's
> more, the total energy usage by TV sets is minimal compared to HVAC,
> refrigeration, cooktops, etc. I think someone's leg was being pulled.
>
> On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 11:42 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV
> wrote:
>
>> You p
I think that you're misquoting the article. 70% is not from coal - it's from a
mixture:
"in 2015, 72 per cent of the electricity generated in Nova Scotia came from
plants burning coal, pet coke, natural gas and oil."
And the amount of renewables will go up to 40%, not 60%, and not until 2020.
I'm in SCE territory, too.
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> On Jan 2, 2018, at 8:52 AM, jim--- via EV wrote:
>
>
> Mark Abramowitz said (in part):
>> There have been *serious* problems as new technologies have drawn from the
>> grid and increased useage.
>
>> As plasma and other big screen TVs got big,
You paint too broad a brush.
There have been *serious* problems as new technologies have drawn from the grid
and increased useage.
As plasma and other big screen TVs got big, various parts of my city had
serious issues with power outages, as the system wasn't designed for those
loads. And thes
SO much negativity on this list towards someone that just asked a simple
question, and acknowledged the challenges and issues up front.
Personally, I applaud the initiative and willingness to tilt at technological,
economic, and other assorted windmills.
As my Tai Kwon Do instructor used to say,
The credit was repealed in the House bill, but not in the Senate bill. The
House repeal was not included in the conference committee agreement.
(See page 45 of the conference committee report.)
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> On Dec 18, 2017, at 6:57 PM, mark hanson via EV wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
Best of luck on your travels.
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> On Dec 16, 2017, at 9:09 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
>
>
>
> In the past I have mentioned that I am spending time doing tasks and
> research to relocate (to more affordable digs). I thank the people who have
> helped advise me offline (especi
ote:
>
> Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
>> The used car salesman approach to advocacy?
>>
>> Did you know that I can receive in 10 minutes a package from a company in
>> Europe?
>>
>> 9 minutes to order the package, and one minute (at most!) to bring it insid
The used car salesman approach to advocacy?
Did you know that I can receive in 10 minutes a package from a company in
Europe?
9 minutes to order the package, and one minute (at most!) to bring it inside.
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> On Dec 16, 2017, at 1:18 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
>
>
>
> http
They were put at the most convenient spots because we wanted those who might
become early adopters and those that create emissions to have an incentive for
doing so.
Those that put them in got (and still get) incentives, too.
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> On Dec 12, 2017, at 12:53 PM, Jorg Brown via E
Here's the link:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://evnut.com/docs/flyers/ev_parking_only.doc
I'm told several versions were made. The maintainer of the site where this is
housed (EVnut.com), and the author of this one suggested a little editing -
“This vehicle” would become “your vehicl
Yes, a bit on the strong side, though not as strong as I've seen. And there's
always "May the fleas of a thousand camels". Personally, I like the
gentler and funny notices.
I suspect there's even a regional element to what will be more effective.
But now you've got several to work with.
S
Is fuel cost the reason you bought a Volt?
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> On Dec 11, 2017, at 3:31 PM, Rod Hower via EV wrote:
>
> There are 4 parking spots for EV's in the deck at downtown Kent. Work pays
> for me to park in the deck but the Chargepoint chargers cost 35 cents/kWhr
> (and that's the
Hilarious!
More seriously, several years ago some folks on the RAV4-EV list developed a
card or flyer to place on offending vehicles. If I get some time, I'll try to
dig it up.
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> On Dec 7, 2017, at 11:42 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV
> wrote:
>
>> On 7 Dec 2017 at 14:51,
That's because we've passed the tipping point.
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> On Nov 22, 2017, at 4:49 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
>
>
>
> % In the past, this type of item was only ice focused. I found it notable
> (of the changing-times) that electrified vehicles were included. %
>
> https://www.torq
I think Toyota viewed the Prius as a risk, and it took several years for it to
start making money. Perhaps it was also their way damping criticism of pulling
the RAV-4 EV from the market. I don't know.
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> On Nov 21, 2017, at 10:08 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>
> I think,
2020.
He's always late, so assume 2021.
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> On Nov 18, 2017, at 11:46 AM, ROBERT via EV wrote:
>
> Give him 50K and hope to get it when??
>
>
>
> From: Mark Abramowitz
> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 11:30 AM
> To: Electric Vehicle
Musk claimed that the new Roadster's 0-60 in 1.9 seconds would be the fastest
of any production auto ever.
Musk coined a new term for being faster than insane or ludicrous mode - plaid.
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> On Nov 18, 2017, at 8:34 AM, ROBERT via EV wrote:
>
> Porsche announced the Mission E
Err...Roadster
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> On Nov 16, 2017, at 9:04 PM, Mark Abramowitz wrote:
>
> I don't know if anyone is watching the Tesla Semi rollout (great!), but Musk
> also showed the new upcoming Sportster. I'm drooling, as I was for the
> original. 0-60 in 1.9 seconds! Beautiful car. T
I don't know if anyone is watching the Tesla Semi rollout (great!), but Musk
also showed the new upcoming Sportster. I'm drooling, as I was for the
original. 0-60 in 1.9 seconds! Beautiful car. Top speed > 250 mph for base
model.
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orious for *never* running on anything but
>>> regular gas,
>>
>> What?? That's bonkers. At least where I live, E85 is way cheaper ( see
>> https://goo.gl/maps/FCHNRzSm7TF2 ) - $2.45 per gallon versus $3.01 per
>> gallon for regular unleaded.
>>
>>
But does it really matter? He rarely uses the ICE.
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> On Nov 15, 2017, at 11:26 AM, Rush Dougherty via EV wrote:
>
> And you call that good?
>
> My 2000 Insight (the first hybrid introduced into America) gets at least 40-45
> mpg with a bad battery pack and missing its fron
ne
>> kicked in as needed. Yes, I used another gallon and a half of gas,
>> but then if I had not had a PIH, I could not have gone to the meeting.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
>>> I don't get why pe
ull ICE),
>> but again, your use is unfortunately not typical.
>>
>>>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 3:39 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ive only used 7 gallons of gas in my PIH Volt. But today, I had to
>>>
Your use is hoped for, but not typical, though.
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> On Nov 14, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Bill Woodcock via EV wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Nov 14, 2017, at 3:51 PM, Cor van de Water via EV
>> wrote:
>>
>> Flex-fuel vehicles are notorious for *never* running on anything but
>> regular gas,
I would have thought that people would have used it like you do, but sadly, the
data shows otherwise.
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> On Nov 14, 2017, at 3:26 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
>
> Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
>> I don't get why people get so excited about PIHs.
>
>
ses questions> (AK
> writer's EV-ignorance dogmatized)
>
> Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
>> I don't get why people get so excited about PIHs.
>
> I own a PIH (a 2014 Prius with the plug-in). They aren't sold in the
> midwest; I had to go all the way to
I don't get why people get so excited about PIHs.
California data shows a big problem with folks not even bothering to charge
them.
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> On Nov 14, 2017, at 10:28 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:
>
>
>
> % I would label this newsitem as EV-ignorant. I think it could have been
> w
I've never heard anyone complain about the Bolt seats. Everyone that I know
that has one, or has driven one likes it.
Are you a large person?
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> On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:07 AM, Peter Eckhoff via EV wrote:
>
> I took my second test drive in a Bolt. The seat was chaffing my ribs
Inefficient energy storage device? How so?
Compared to batteries, they can store energy much longer. Batteries are in
their sweet spot for energy storage for a number of hours, hydrogen for longer
periods. Batteries are for small scale storage, hydrogen can be used up to grid
level storage.
M
t;
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV"
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 09:35
> To: "Peri Hartman"
> Cc: "Mark Abramowitz" , "Electric Vehicle Discussion
> List"
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: (ice) Exp
Yes. Sorry, I should have been clearer.
You ended with the comment that we still need ICEs. I don't understand why.
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> On Oct 26, 2017, at 9:09 AM, "Peri Hartman" wrote:
>
> Are you asking me? I'm sorry but I don't understand why you are asking the
> question. Personally, I
Why would a polluting ICE be better than a ZEV?
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> On Oct 26, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>
> Yep. 240, or maybe 300, miles range is sufficient for road trips. At least
> for me. But charge time has to be quicker. At least 100kW? That's still 40-50
> minute
Really? A lie? Puh-leeze.
All they were saying was that it gets carpool lane access. That's true, and
the point of showing carpool lane access sticker.
So they showed the wrong color sticker (that wasn't on the car). Big deal. A
distinction without a difference from a practical standpoint.
Support has to be there from the top, and it has to be generated downward, or
once again, the effort won't be successful.
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> On Oct 15, 2017, at 12:28 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV
> wrote:
>
> The USPS has flirted with EVs off and on since the 1970s. They've run
> pilots
Hard to predict the future. You invested in speculative stocks. Nothing wrong
with taking a profit, either all or some. But spec stocks are just that -
speculative. You should be prepared to lose all or some of it. And they should
only be part of a diversified portfolio.
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>
Being short does not mean that they are being on Tesla's failure. They are
betting that the stock will go down from where it is.
I don't short stocks, because the potential loss on a short is infinite.
But if you look at the stock price, you'll see that the current price is
extremely high based
I'll try to read the article later, but if you are talking about "city
pollution" as the health-based pollution of ozone, particulates, etc. - then
you are not referring to cutting greenhouse gases, per the OP. As a class, GHGs
do not have acute health effects.
That being said, reduction of "
On Mar 8, 2017, at 10:57 AM, John Lussmyer via EV wrote:
>
> On Wed Mar 08 09:58:47 PST 2017 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>> There I agree 100%. There's a reason that IBM, Remington Rand, and
>> Burroughs weren't the ones who developed the first practical personal
>> computers.
>
> You mean, like th
Maybe sooner than you think. There's been some success with Drayage trucks,
some all BEV, and some battery-dominant fuel cell hybrids. There have been a
few issues, but they work well - drivers love the torque they get. Not a big
technical difference, as I understand it, from what you want.
Sen
If you involved in air quality in California, you'll no doubt find your way to
the South Coast Air Quality Management District in Diamond Bar, California.
There's good news if you drive a BEV and haven't found enough charging
available.
Level 2 EV chargers are being installed at the SCAQMD hea
;s
typically fifty cents on the dollar for the ZEV
credits"http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-zev-credits-ok-2016-10
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On Dec 25, 2016, at 7:51 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
Not quite yet.
The tax credit is for actual sales. Tesla isn't close yet, tho
Not quite yet.
The tax credit is for actual sales. Tesla isn't close yet, though they think
that they will hit the 200k in Q3 2018.
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From: rayfellow via EV To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject: Re:
[EVDL] A Bolt EV experience ... Date: 12/25/16, 3:12 PM
The elimination of the $
Partly true. Nissan *will* get the tax credit for cars that it leases.
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From: Peri Hartman via EV To: "Cor van de Water"
,"Electric Vehicle Discussion List"
Subject: Re: [EVDL] 4th-gen is the "smartest" 42ED EV yet
r:160km ts:130kph, 0-100kph:11.5s Date: 12/
Let's agree that there is a lot of disagreement over meaningful sampling rates
- I and others believe that higher rates sound better. And while I did mark
this diversion OT, I think a discussion of sampling rates is far beyond what I
intended in suggesting better sound from a cables connection t
I should have said "when working properly and not defective." I would take it
in.
But, as was pointed out, it depends upon whose ear is listening, and the
operating conditions.
Hear it or not, if it's broken, that's not acceptable.
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From: Lawrence Rhodes To: Electric Vehi
ssion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT:
Re: Leafs too cheap Date: 12/17/16, 6:36 AM
The human ear cannot usually detect the differences
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> On Dec 17, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV
> wrote:
>
> Blutooth sound is certainly convenient, but the sound
Blutooth sound is certainly convenient, but the sound quality won't match a
direct cord connection...theoretically. It depends on the system whether and
under what conditions you will notice it.
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From: Lawrence Rhodes via EV To: "ev@lists.evdl.org"
,"ev-requ...@l
I think trying to turn this into a class issue is not only counterproductive,
but inaccurate. Big money is going into EVs, so you can't make the "little
guy" argument. These folks can just as easily come up with fake studies, too,
or provide misinformation.(it's also no secret that I think t
http://pressroom.toyota.com/releases/toyota-tnga-powertrain-responsive-driving.htm
It's always difficult to get into the minds of the OEMs, but this Toyota
release gives an interesting view into their road forward as they seek to cut
2010 CO2 emissions by 90% by 2050.
Particularly interesting is
I don't know if new ICE models lose money initially, but it's certainly
expected that vehicles with new technologies will lose money. The Prius, which
became hugely successful, lost money for several years. And no ZEV, including
Tesla, is making profit - yet.
But I think that your criticism of G
"The report does not demonstrate any Tesla-specific vulnerabilities. "
Fortunately not any more EV-related than a Tesla having a flat tire.
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From: brucedp5 via EV To: ev@lists.evdl.org Subject:
[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161201 Date: 12/1/16, 1:05 AM
http://
I hope and that that you are wrong in thinking it possible that EVs could
become unavailable.
I expect a strong and vigorous market.
I'm also hopeful that a surging EV market will mean that EV conversions will
grow along with the main EV market.
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Let me add that while there may be some backsliding and things like climate
change, climate change isn't the only reason for EVs. You name some of them,
and the emission reductions from EVs are also needed to meet health-based air
quality standards. Maybe you'll some backsliding there, but it's
One recommendation by the auto manufacturers can make environmental sense -
better coordination of the myriad of agencies that regulate the OEMs.
Having more than one agency with some responsibility under one regulation makes
for difficulty. EPA had real challenges with the latest GHG regs.
Sen
Sorry- he said that he believes in an "all of the above" approach.
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Trump and EV's Date: 11
And, in fact, he has said that he believes UV AV
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From: Jim Walls via EV To: "Rush Dougherty"
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] Trump and EV's Date: 11/9/16, 3:43 PM
Not trying to agree or disagree, but remember that one of the biggest
is
Rational yes, but good? Not necessarily. That same argument was made in the
context of purchasing a hybrid versus a regular ICE.
I was told by a friend who went to a car dealer that the dealer tried to
convince him that it wasn't worthwhile to get a hybrid - it was going to cost
thousands more
I see nothing about EVs here. I did a search on the article for EV, battery and
electric. What am I missing?
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Insurance article from KPM
I would agree that there are real problems with the article, but to ascribe it
to either a conspiracy or self- interest on the part of the author is
presumptuous or even dangerous.
Personally, I think that a carefully worded response to the article (including
data would be valuable) would be w
with the longest commute on
any day will use the EV and so we may actually be getting more than 100%
emissions reduction for that that EV.
Bob, WB4APR
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