On 10.10.2012 21:45 Craig Weinberg said the following:
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:27:52 PM UTC-4, Evgenii Rudnyi
wrote:
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Then there is Reductive Physicalisms: Mental states are identical
to physical states. It is not functionalism though, as everything
goes through physical
Hi Richard Ruquist
You keep getting physical strings mixed up with theoretical strings.
And then you mix this up with monads.
Theoretical strings are not physical and monads are not physical.
Period. You'd do better to stick to straight materialism since
you seem to have no understranding of
Hi Richard Ruquist
Here you go again. Monads are basically ideas.
The BECs are physical. No physical connection is possible
between ideas and things.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/11/2012
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On 26.09.2012 20:35 meekerdb said the following:
An interesting paper which comports with my idea that the problem of
consciousness will be solved by engineering. Or John Clark's
point that consciousness is easy, intelligence is hard.
Consciousness in Cognitive Architectures A Principled
Hi Richard,
Somewhow I seem to have lost my reply to your criticism
of my (and Leibniz's) philosophical concept of space.
I believe with Einstein that space consists only of
relative distances, not absolute ones, and also with him
that space and time only exist as spacetime, whose
increment
On 11.10.2012 11:36 Evgenii Rudnyi said the following:
On 26.09.2012 20:35 meekerdb said the following:
An interesting paper which comports with my idea that the problem
of consciousness will be solved by engineering. Or John
Clark's point that consciousness is easy, intelligence is hard.
Enough
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 9:37:33 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote:
The why is that your conception of space is unscientific.
You sound like a New Ager.
Why do you think that my conception of space is
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:59 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote:
On 10.10.2012 21:45 Craig Weinberg said the following:
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:27:52 PM UTC-4, Evgenii Rudnyi
wrote:
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Then there is Reductive Physicalisms: Mental states are identical
to physical states.
Roger, And you do not know the difference between a string particle
and a CYM monad particle. Let's stop with the insults. Richard
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:27 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Richard Ruquist
You keep getting physical strings mixed up with theoretical strings.
Roger, You are entitled to your opinion, but that is all it is.
Richard
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 5:31 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Richard Ruquist
Here you go again. Monads are basically ideas.
The BECs are physical. No physical connection is possible
between ideas and
Roger: So neither space and time nor spacetime
physically exist.
Richard: That is unscientific. Physics could be entirely wrong.
But I will bet on physics being correct and you and Craig being incorrect.
But you are entitled to your opinion however absolute you make it sound like.
On Thu, Oct
Hi Bruno Marchal
There is perhaps some light at the end of Solipsism's tunnel.
As a preface, Solipsism can be stated thusly: I cannot directly share my
experiences
(such as that I exist), but I can share my descriptions of my experiences
(thus I stub my toe (stubbing it).
1) You can share
I agree with Roger on this one (except for the insults). I did not know
that Einstein recognized that spacetime was a true void - I had assumed
that his conception of gravitational warping of spacetime was a literal
plenum or manifold, but if it's true that he recognized spacetime as an
Spacetime could not be warped if it were a void.
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with Roger on this one (except for the insults). I did not know that
Einstein recognized that spacetime was a true void - I had assumed that his
conception of
On Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:03:15 AM UTC-4, yanniru wrote:
Roger: So neither space and time nor spacetime
physically exist.
Richard: That is unscientific. Physics could be entirely wrong.
But I will bet on physics being correct and you and Craig being incorrect.
But you are
maybe this will help?
Constraints on the Universe as a Numerical Simulation
arXiv:1210.1847v1 [hep-ph] 4Oct 2012
Ronald
On Oct 10, 2:22 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 12:14:44 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Oct 2012, at
Hi guys,
All life, especially if there is any decision to be made with multiple choices,
must have consciousness to whatever extent to make the best choice.
Even if it is instinctual it must know which instinct to carry out.
In any encounter, one must choose flight or fight (or eat or mate
Hi Bruno Marchal
I was thinking of, say, a gnat, the intelligence
perhaps being yes or no in favor of survival.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/11/2012
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Hi Bruno Marchal
You would have to set up a carefully selected
intelligence test to test the intelligence of an AIG.
Would it then really have intelligence ?
I don't think so. You'd have to cheat with
pre-supplied answers.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/11/2012
Forever is a long
Hi Craig Weinberg
Cool. I just signed up at tumblr previously.
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10/11/2012
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Hi Richard
You can't join or operate on the physical with the nonphysical.
It's like there's a firewall between them.
That's why Leibniz had to go all-nonphysical to correctly describe
the brain and mind interaction. Both can be expressed nonphysically but
not both physically, unless you're a
Hi Craig Weinberg
The NDE is a piece of cake if you realize that
in Leibniz's metaphysics, the mind, like everything else,
is nonphysical. And everyone's monad survives
death, at least in some form.
There are some limitations depending on your
ability to mentally perceive and there are
On Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:26:03 AM UTC-4, yanniru wrote:
Craig,
I think Roger has an incorrect interpretation the physics of Leibniz
and Einstein.
I'm not sure. Spacetime can be warped, just as the cost of living can
'rise'. If Einstein understands that spacetime is the
Hi Craig Weinberg
A whole man has a monad called, let's say, John Doe.
That's the unchanging identity of his soul= monad.
Technically a man's soul is called a spirit by L,
but I just use soul to avoid confusion.
Within John's monad=soul is a homunculus
that has its own homunculus mind that
On Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:14:25 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
A whole man has a monad called, let's say, John Doe.
In this case I would call 'having a monad', 'being a person' who identifies
with the name John Doe (and I would say that the name define or influences
Hi Craig Weinberg
L speaking here:
Every corporeal body without parts in the
universe is also a monad. Bodies of more than
one part have a monad for each part.
Every monad is alive to various degrees, hence
various forms of vitalism, and to various degrees
have intellect (intelligence),
This might be of possible importance with regard to comp.
First of all, there are a fixed number of monads in this world, since they
cannot be created or destroyed.
While, as I understand it, the identities or Souls of monads do not change,
they do change internally. This is because their
Hi Richard Ruquist
Only the path is warped. If there's anything in it, it
will be accordingly displaced.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/11/2012
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Craig Roger,
Here is a possible middle ground. Just like quantum waves may be
virtual and not physical,
dimensions may be virtual, including the multiple dimensions of string
theory. So the particles of compactified dimensions would be virtual
and spacetime would be virtual as well.
Spacetime
Hi Evgenii Rudnyi
The following components are inextricably mixed:
life, consciousness, free will, intelligence
you can't have one without the others,
and (or because) they're all nonphysical, all subjective.
So only the computer can know for sure if it
has any of these.
Roger Clough,
Roger,
Could you supply a link to where L said all that. Google is unable to
find any such place.
Richard
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
L speaking here:
Every corporeal body without parts in the
universe is also a monad. Bodies
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 10 Oct 2012, at 13:31, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
I think that consciousness, intelligence and some measure of free will are
necessary and inseparable parts of life itself.
Hi Richard,
The most entertaining way to understand the views of modern physics
on space (same as that of Leibniz) would be to watch
NOVA | The Fabric of the Cosmos: What Is Space (Brian Greene, a founder of
sgtring theory)
Hi John Clark
Free Will-- You need enough freedom to make a choice of your own.
Or apparently of your own choice.
Strictly speaking, I prefer the term self-determination
meaning by anything inside your skin. That's the self.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/11/2012
Forever is a
On 10 Oct 2012, at 20:13, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
2012/10/10 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be:
On 09 Oct 2012, at 18:58, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
It may be a zombie or not. I can´t know.
The same applies to other persons. It may be that the world is
made of
zombie-actors that try to
Hi Richard Ruquist
He didn't in so many words, you have to study his philosophy.
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10/11/2012
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On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
Consciousness is easy if you already have consciousness. It is impossible
if you don't.
But you believe in panexperientialism, you believe that everything is
conscious, so if you are correct then consciousness is not only
On 10 Oct 2012, at 20:22, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 12:14:44 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Oct 2012, at 19:03, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 11:04:51 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Oct 2012, at 22:38, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On 10 Oct 2012, at 18:47, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Craig,
I claim that a connection is needed in substance dualism between the
substance of the mind and the substance of the brain. That is, if
consciousness resides in a BEC in the brain and also in the mind, then
the two can become entangled
Roger,
I know Brian Greene personally and have read his book, Fabric of the Cosmos.
He was a postdoc at my school. He is not a founder of string theory,
Max Green is.
His view of space is quite conventional except for the extra
dimensions of string theory.
Richard
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:39
On 11 Oct 2012, at 02:55, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 01:41:51PM -0400, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/10/2012 1:02 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
A very sad news is that Eric Vandenbussche died. It is the guy I
called here often the little genius, who solved notably the
first
On Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:09:12 AM UTC-4, yanniru wrote:
Craig Roger,
Here is a possible middle ground. Just like quantum waves may be
virtual and not physical,
dimensions may be virtual, including the multiple dimensions of string
theory. So the particles of compactified
On 10/11/2012 5:17 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Spacetime could not be warped if it were a void.
Why not? Spacetime is just the set of relations, i.e. intervals, between events. If those
intervals satisfy the Minkowski metric the spacetime is flat. If they don't the spacetime
is warped.
Brent,
According to Einstein it takes massive objects to warp spacetime.
Therefore a warped spacetime cannot be empty.
The apparently flat spacetime that exists
is due to dark energy, dark matter and visible matter.
Although flat, it is hardly considered to be empty.
Richard
On Thu, Oct 11,
On Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:08:16 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
The problem is the meanwhile you have this meta-universe which is doing
the computing, yes? What does it run on?
On the true number relations.
Indirectly on some false propositions too, as the meta-arithmetic,
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Free Will-- You need enough freedom
My difficulty with the free will noise is not the will part, you want
to do some things and don't want to do others and that's clear, my
difficulty is with the free part; and all you're saying
On Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:41:29 PM UTC-4, yanniru wrote:
Brent,
According to Einstein it takes massive objects to warp spacetime.
Therefore a warped spacetime cannot be empty.
Sure it can. What is mass? A relation between objects. Relativity shows us
nothing if not that. Earth
On 10/11/2012 9:41 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Brent,
According to Einstein it takes massive objects to warp spacetime.
No, that's wrong. Mass-energy warps spacetime, but the Einstein equations have non-flat
solutions with a zero stress-energy tensor. DeSitter showed this shortly after
On 10/11/2012 10:14 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net mailto:rclo...@verizon.net
wrote:
Free Will-- You need enough freedom
My difficulty with the free will noise is not the will part, you want to do some
things and don't want to do others
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Comp seems to avoid this insurmountable problem by avoiding the issue of
whether the computer actually had an experience, only that it appeared to
have an experience. So comp's requirement is as if rather than is.
In
On Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:23:48 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
Nobody said it was empty. I was just correcting your misconception that
spacetime had to
be flat in the absence of matter.
I'm saying that it is beyond empty. It is only the inferred distance
between which objects define
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:28 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
It's [free will] a simple enough concept
I think that's true, although I may be using a somewhat different meaning
of the word simple than you are.
that it is used in law courts
True.
a venue not noted for
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:13:06AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Evgenii Rudnyi
The following components are inextricably mixed:
life, consciousness, free will, intelligence
you can't have one without the others,
I disagree. You can have life without any of the others. Also, I
suspect
http://www.jwz.org/blog/2012/10/smoothlifel/
Jason
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On 10/11/2012 1:14 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:28 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
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It's [free will] a simple enough concept
I think that's true, although I may be using a somewhat different meaning of the word
simple than you are.
That's serious cool! I love the comment posted Stephen Wolfram is
very angry!
They do discrete time (Euler integration), but one could easily make
it continuous by replacing it with a Runge-Kutta integration scheme.
Thanks for posting this.
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 04:14:15PM -0500, Jason Resch
On Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:05:23 AM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:
Consciousness is easy if you already have consciousness. It is
impossible if you don't.
But you believe in panexperientialism, you believe that
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