On 22 Jan 2013, at 18:44, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
You seem to not having yet realize that with comp, not only
materialism is wrong, but also weak materialism, that is, the
doctrine asserting the primary existence of
Hi Stephen P. King
Agreed, the constant other observer needed to
maintain the world when I close my eyes need not be God,
But it has to be something like God. Omnipresent, for example.
Plato called it the One.
Nothing would work without physical laws, and these cannot be directly
perceived.
Hi guys,
Theology is just a form of philosophy, therefore is a rational pursuit,
say like psychology or sociology or engineering mechanics.
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Hi Craig,
What is a fundamentalist pathology ? And how does it apply to science ?
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On 21 Jan 2013, at
Hi Bruno Marchal
Just trying to clarify things.
1) OK, I partly understand if we allow words as output.
But words are descriptions (3p, or Thirdness),
not experience (1p, or Firstness).
2) Let us admit for the moment that it is possible
for a computer to be conscious. What would it be
Hi Stephen,
Numbers do have an independent existence, that
being nonphysical existence.
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On 22 Jan 2013, at 18:06, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
But if plants and animals experience the world at the same time
as humans, wouldn't there be a strange population of objects,
and wouldn't there be the problem of two objects being
in the same space ?
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Hi Craig Weinberg
This get sillier the more realistically we examine your claim.
It would also make an interesting experiment to record with a videocam
set off with a trip wire that could be posted on Youtube.
How fast is the object of perception created in the brain?
How fast would the rock
Hi John Clark
From his hostile postings, Craig seems to have been very
very badly hurt by the Christian Church sometime in the past.
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Hi socra...@bezeqint.net
There is always a well-known solution to every human problem--neat, plausible,
and wrong. H. L. Mencken,
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Dear Roger,
That which cannot be perceived, does not exist. But perception is
a subtle thing! Is there an entity associated with physical laws or
'gravity', or are such an abstract concept that we 'percept'
conceptually? Perception, beliefs, knowledge all seems tied together...
But I
On 1/23/2013 6:03 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen,
Numbers do have an independent existence, that
being nonphysical existence.
Hi Roger,
I agree but only because I see existence as mere a priori necessary
possibility; not contingent upon perception at all...
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Onward!
Stephen
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On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 22 Jan 2013, at 18:44, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
You seem to not having yet realize that with comp, not only materialism is
wrong, but also weak
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:54:48 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Hi Craig,
This video lecture series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjABUhyu6dwdoes
a good job showing how a psychiatrist, Niall McLaren, argues toward a
dual aspect theory. I recomend his books:
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:30:25 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig,
What is a fundamentalist pathology ? And how does it apply to science ?
A pathology here refers to a degenerative condition, like a disease, decay,
or a failing strategy - a state of deepening dysfunction and
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:58:03 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi John Clark
From his hostile postings, Craig seems to have been very
very badly hurt by the Christian Church sometime in the past.
Haha, not at all. Some of my best memories in high school were of drinking
beers and
Hi -
This national geographic special shows a young
hungarian lady who can essentially play and win five
games of chess blindfolded. Instead of a blindfold, here she
is playing only by voice to voice over a mobile phone.
Her father, a psychologist, trained her to excel at chess.
This would
On 22 Jan 2013, at 20:27, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:15:00 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 22 Jan 2013, at 18:26, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 10:14:45 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 21 Jan 2013, at 18:48, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On 22 Jan 2013, at 21:34, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 12:44:41 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
You seem to not having yet realize that with comp, not only
materialism is wrong, but also weak
On 22 Jan 2013, at 21:49, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Craig Weinberg
whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
That doesn't have anything to do with your straw man of my
position. I have
never once said that existence is contingent upon human
consciousness. I
state again
Roger,
Chess is not the best measure of raw mental ability, much of it has to do
with training with people at the highest levels having to spend hours each
day practicing and constantly learning to maintain their level of play.
That particular Hungarian woman you mention was one of three
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:31:18 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 22 Jan 2013, at 21:34, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 12:44:41 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
You seem to not having yet
On 22 Jan 2013, at 22:10, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/22/2013 8:00 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 21 Jan 2013, at 22:20, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/21/2013 9:11 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
It is only recently, as the limitations of the narrow Western
approach are being revealed on a global scale, that
On 22 Jan 2013, at 22:52, John Mikes wrote:
Richard:
and what is - NOT - an illusion? are you? or me?
we have no way to ascertain existence and qualia, we just THINK.
Our science is based on SOME info we don't know exactly, not even if
it is like we think it is. We calculate in our human
On 22 Jan 2013, at 23:01, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/22/2013 10:57 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Then how does one manage to negotiate the surface of Mars and
another to drive through the streets of Los Angeles.
You associate the images with Mars or Los Angeles, not the computer.
Not 'images',
On 22 Jan 2013, at 23:28, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:20:58 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 3:49:09 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Craig
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:26:56 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 22 Jan 2013, at 20:27, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Then why would comp be primitive and not the mystical truth through which
comp comes to our attention?
Because the mystical truth is what we want to explain, or
On 23 Jan 2013, at 11:42, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
Just trying to clarify things.
1) OK, I partly understand if we allow words as output.
... and inputs. OK.
But words are descriptions (3p, or Thirdness),
OK.
not experience (1p, or Firstness).
Yes. Experiences are
On 23 Jan 2013, at 12:01, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
An interesting way putting it. But that matter is only dreamed
sounds like a stronger version of Berkeleyism. You say that
matter doesn't really exist at all, Berkeley would say
that it only exists if we perceive it.
Both of
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:21:10 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
But if plants and animals experience the world at the same time
as humans,
They do, of course. They experience what they are able to experience of the
world just as we do.
wouldn't there be a
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:11:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 22 Jan 2013, at 23:28, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:20:58 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tuesday, January
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:03:58 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Stephen,
Numbers do have an independent existence, that
being nonphysical existence.
Then so does Mickey Mouse have a nonphysical existence.
Do Mickey Mouse's thoughts have an independent existence too? Why not?
Craig
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:01:09 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 1/22/2013 10:57 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Then how does one manage to negotiate the surface of Mars and another to
drive through the streets of Los Angeles.
You associate the images with Mars or Los Angeles, not the
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:39:17 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
This get sillier the more realistically we examine your claim.
It would also make an interesting experiment to record with a videocam
set off with a trip wire that could be posted on Youtube.
How
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On 23 Jan 2013, at 14:03, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 22 Jan 2013, at 18:44, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
You seem to not having yet realize that
On Saturday, January 12, 2013 6:46:23 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote:
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
On Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:58:32 PM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote:
Hi Craig,
I tend to agree with what you say (or what I
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
The astronomer Giordano Bruno would not have been surprised to hear
that the invention of science was a fight against theology, he was burned
alive by the church for suggesting that the bright points of light you see
On 1/23/2013 7:55 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
Belief and question are inseparable. Science and theology are converging to be what they
always were before their artificial separation by political interests: agile, adaptive
partners in our dealings with the final questions of real. These
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:50:57 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
The astronomer Giordano Bruno would not have been surprised to hear
that the invention of science was a fight against theology, he
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Arithmetical truth is a sort of block-brains-in-a-vat
This is what I mean by the term Quantum Mind
I think of the Quantum Mind as a Block Metaverse
containing all possible universes which is timeless
since everything in the
On 1/23/2013 9:27 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:01:09 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 1/22/2013 10:57 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Then how does one manage to negotiate the surface of Mars and another
to drive
through the streets of Los Angeles.
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:42:27 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 1/23/2013 9:27 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 5:01:09 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 1/22/2013 10:57 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Then how does one manage to negotiate the surface of Mars and another
On 1/23/2013 5:53 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
I guess you are serious, but I can't imagine how you can actually believe that. You
think that you turn the Mars rover on and there is some entity there which has an
expectation about 'Mars' or Earth. It really doesn't. There is no entity there
So
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