On 09 Dec 2013, at 23:45, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/9/2013 2:03 PM, Jesse Mazer wrote:
I don't have institutional access but I was able to read it online,
though not to download it as a PDF (I just copy-and-pasted all the
text for future reference instead). It's great to see each step of
the
On 09 Dec 2013, at 18:45, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
I mean what everybody mean by computationalism in the cognitive
science
Bullshit. Comp differs from computationalism in that comp
includes all the silly (and
On 09 Dec 2013, at 20:02, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/9/2013 1:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Dec 2013, at 22:53, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 6:59 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
wrote:
Telmo Menezes
you must also reject the MWI, because you live
Who is you? Telmo's
On 09 Dec 2013, at 20:06, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/9/2013 1:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2013, at 01:33, LizR wrote:
On 9 December 2013 05:52, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Could you name a materialistic theory
On 09 Dec 2013, at 23:28, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/9/2013 12:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:57 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 12/9/2013 12:44 AM, LizR wrote:
On 9 December 2013 20:56, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/8/2013 4:36 PM, LizR wrote:
On 09 Dec 2013, at 23:03, Jesse Mazer wrote:
I don't have institutional access but I was able to read it online,
That was what Elsevier (Santa) promised.
though not to download it as a PDF
Pfftt Santa looks like being a bit shabby those days ...
(I just copy-and-pasted all
Mandela forgive me, but this is the consequence of an unordered
mythopoesis: the mythopoesis of the unrestricted will, that Voegelin
The myth of computer consciousnesss and intelligence
People have been trying to create perpetual motion machines
for centuries, but nobody has succeeded, I believe because
of energy losses. The problem with making computers
truly intelligent I believe is also impossible, because
the final stage
It seems to me that your invocation of platonism is wrong. For Plato the
reality is a shadow of the perfect world of ideas, universals that we can
remember by anamnesis.
But for you reality is a partial dream, but coherent or robust product of
the aleatory Dovetailer Machine, and sometimes we
On 10 Dec 2013, at 10:33, Roger Clough wrote:
The myth of computer consciousnesss and intelligence
People have been trying to create perpetual motion machines
for centuries, but nobody has succeeded, I believe because
of energy losses. The problem with making computers
truly intelligent I
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:02 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/9/2013 1:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Dec 2013, at 22:53, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 6:59 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
Telmo Menezes
you must also reject the MWI, because you
On 10 Dec 2013, at 10:40, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
It seems to me that your invocation of platonism is wrong. For Plato
the reality is a shadow of the perfect world of ideas, universals
that we can remember by anamnesis.
OK.
But for you reality is a partial dream,
Not at all.
Only
2013/12/10 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 10 Dec 2013, at 10:40, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
It seems to me that your invocation of platonism is wrong. For Plato the
reality is a shadow of the perfect world of ideas, universals that we can
remember by anamnesis.
OK.
But for you
Bruno: All this does not define the natural numbers in the sense of a
logical categorical definition. Why we understand them is a mystery, but we
can meta-explained why that mystery is unsolvable. We don't need an
infinity axiom in the ontology (indeed the axioms of the TOE is RA: no
infinity
Leibniz and Piccinini versus Jerry Fodor - Is there a language of thought ?
1. Jerry Fodor argues that thoughts have representations,
namely that there is a language of thought:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_thought
In which, as I understand it, computations
are made by the brain
Leibniz and Piccinini versus Jerry Fodor - Is there a language of thought ?
1. Jerry Fodor argues that thoughts have representations,
namely that there is a language of thought:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_thought
In which, as I understand it, computations
are made by the brain
Leibniz and Piccinini versus Jerry Fodor - Is there a language of thought ?
1. Jerry Fodor argues that thoughts have representations,
namely that there is a language of thought:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_thought
In which, as I understand it, computations
aremade
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
You're avoiding my question. Why don't you also reject the MWI?
If I am reluctant to answer your question it is because I've already done
so many times in the past, but if you insist I will do so again. The Many
World's
On 10 Dec 2013, at 12:15, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
2013/12/10 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
On 10 Dec 2013, at 10:40, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
It seems to me that your invocation of platonism is wrong. For Plato
the reality is a shadow of the perfect world of ideas, universals
that
On 10 Dec 2013, at 13:30, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Bruno: Comp is computationalism, and I pretend (at the least) to
derive the consequences from it. So, if you want to act like a
scientist, just accept the definition given, and show a flaw in the
derivation. The very fact that you don't act
On 10 Dec 2013, at 13:38, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Bruno: All this does not define the natural numbers in the sense of
a logical categorical definition. Why we understand them is a
mystery, but we can meta-explained why that mystery is unsolvable.
We don't need an infinity axiom in the
On 12/10/2013 12:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Do you agree that in Helsinki we have:
Probability(I will feel to be a unique guy in an unique city) = 1 (assuming comp and
all the default assumptions) ?
It has the same problem. It is just moved from you to I. What does I refer to. I
can
On 12/10/2013 12:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2013, at 23:28, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/9/2013 12:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:57 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/9/2013 12:44 AM, LizR wrote:
On 9 December
Hi List
I haven't contributed to this list for a while but I thought you might
be interested in this article from theScience Daily
http://www.sciencedaily.com/ on line magazine
Neural Prosthesis Restores Behavior After Brain Injury
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
This is exactly what UDA shows that comp *leads* to a reduction of the
mind body problem into a body problem in arithmetic.
I don't know what comp is or what relevance the Universal Dance
Association has to all this but
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:08 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/10/2013 12:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2013, at 23:28, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/9/2013 12:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:57 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:33 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
One needs a rigorous definition of what consciousness is, to start with,
Examples are usually preferable to definitions.
and then a theory that explains all its observed features, and makes
testable predictions.
But that's the
On 12/10/2013 9:03 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
mailto:te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
You're avoiding my question. Why don't you also reject the MWI?
If I am reluctant to answer your question it is because I've already done so many
On 12/10/2013 2:07 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 8:02 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/9/2013 1:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 08 Dec 2013, at 22:53, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 6:59 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
Telmo Menezes
2013/12/10 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 12/10/2013 12:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2013, at 23:28, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/9/2013 12:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:57 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/9/2013 12:44 AM, LizR wrote:
On
On 12/10/2013 11:54 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:33 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com
mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
One needs a rigorous definition of what consciousness is, to start with,
Examples are usually preferable to definitions.
and then a theory that
On 12/10/2013 1:22 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
I think I was attempting to position myself between John and Jason - to
say
that determinism is reasonably well established, but only as a result
of a
long and winding process of experiment, conjecture and so on.
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 4:00 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/10/2013 1:22 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
I think I was attempting to position myself between John and
Jason - to say that determinism is reasonably well established, but only as
a result of a long and
On 10 December 2013 01:11, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
In case you didn't get it. Consciousness is not a scientific topic
Did you arrive at that conclusion through the exercise of rational
thought? If so, you may have Godelised your argument, or self-defeated in
a similar manner
Thanks for the clarification. But for what refer to the questions i
asked, I find that my initial assumptions are broadly correct. I find
the platonism of the UDA very different from the Platonism of Plato.
despite the merits that the hypothesis of mechanism may have to
clarify other questions.
On 11 December 2013 06:20, George gl...@quantics.net wrote:
Hi List
I haven't contributed to this list for a while but I thought you might be
interested in this article from the Science Daily on line magazine
Neural Prosthesis Restores Behavior After Brain Injury
George Levy
The rat has
On 10 December 2013 09:06, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
Bell's theorm proves that local hidden variables are impossible which
leaves only two remaining explanations that explain the EPR paradox:
1. Non-local, faster-than-light, relativity violating effects
2. Measurements have
Is this particular one destructive?
On 10 December 2013 22:12, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
Mandela forgive me, but this is the consequence of an unordered
mythopoesis: the mythopoesis of the unrestricted will, that Voegelin
On 11 December 2013 10:24, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/10/2013 11:54 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:33 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
One needs a rigorous definition of what consciousness is, to start
with,
Examples are usually preferable to
On 12/10/2013 5:23 PM, LizR wrote:
On 10 December 2013 09:06, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com
mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
Bell's theorm proves that local hidden variables are impossible which
leaves only
two remaining explanations that explain the EPR paradox:
1.
On 12/10/2013 7:42 PM, LizR wrote:
On 11 December 2013 10:24, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 12/10/2013 11:54 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:33 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com
mailto:lizj...@gmail.com
wrote:
One needs a
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 9:53 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/10/2013 5:23 PM, LizR wrote:
On 10 December 2013 09:06, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
Bell's theorm proves that local hidden variables are impossible which
leaves only two remaining explanations that
On 12/10/2013 9:49 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
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mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
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