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2014-12-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:12 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Why didn't Churchill revolt? Well... He was a Tory and born into the nobility, part of an illustrious family, as well as being the Prime Minister who led the UK to victory against the Nazis. That probably made him feel

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2014-12-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Dec 2014, at 14:45, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Probably the only natural government, the one that does not need an ideological legitimation, is the feudal system. And all the rest tend to reproduce it in a bastardized way. I would say that democracy reproduce it, but with some hope of

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2014-12-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Dec 2014, at 18:27, Jason Resch wrote: I think the National Initiative ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_initiative#National_Initiative_for_Democracy_.28USA.29 ) is one of the most promising of proposed changes to the system of human governance that I have seen. That is

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2014-12-19 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I dont think that democracy can clear the bastardized things that she himself generates. Au contraire, Democracy legitimate them in a more perverse way It is not the same to live under your Lord as Lord that to live under your representants democratically chosen. It is not the same to be

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2014-12-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Dec 2014, at 16:13, Alberto G. Corona wrote: I dont think that democracy can clear the bastardized things that she himself generates. Au contraire, Democracy legitimate them in a more perverse way It is not the same to live under your Lord as Lord that to live under your

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-19 Thread meekerdb
On 12/18/2014 10:44 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: *From:*meekerdb *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:06 AM. On 12/18/2014 10:16 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com

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2014-12-19 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 10:53 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: real A.I. On 12/18/2014 10:44 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: From

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2014-12-19 Thread Kim Jones
Kim Jones B. Mus. GDTL Email: kimjo...@ozemail.com.au kmjco...@icloud.com Mobile: 0450 963 719 Phone: 02 93894239 Web: http://www.eportfolio.kmjcommp.com I'm not saying there aren't a lot of dangerous people out there. I am saying a lot of them are in government - Russell

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2014-12-19 Thread Kim Jones
Democracy is rotten to the core and always was. Democracy represents the greatest and most perverse failure of the human imagination possible. Democracy enshrines argument and warefare as the only way forward in any situation where values are competing. Attack and defence are the only buttons

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-19 Thread meekerdb
On 12/18/2014 11:58 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:08 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/18/2014 2:37 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 11:25 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-19 Thread LizR
Why didn't Churchill revolt? Well... He was a Tory and born into the nobility, part of an illustrious family, as well as being the Prime Minister who led the UK to victory against the Nazis. That probably made him feel that *he* was running the country, not the Queen -- as in fact he was

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2014-12-19 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 7:13 AM Subject: Re: real A.I. I dont think that democracy can clear the bastardized things that she himself generates. Au contraire, Democracy

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2014-12-19 Thread meekerdb
On 12/19/2014 11:33 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *meekerdb *Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2014 10:53 AM *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: real A.I. On 12/18

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2014-12-19 Thread meekerdb
On 12/19/2014 12:47 PM, Kim Jones wrote: Democracy is rotten to the core and always was. Democracy represents the greatest and most perverse failure of the human imagination possible. Democracy enshrines argument and warefare as the only way forward in any situation where values are

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2014-12-19 Thread LizR
And, no matter what democracy enshrines, that in itself doesn't show that it isn't the best available system. With sufficient checks and balances, and a system of representation that allows for actual representation and enfranchisement (rather than, say, a choice of 2 near-identical corporate

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2014-12-19 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 2:58 PM Subject: Re: real A.I. On 12/19/2014 11:33 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: !--#yiv4699829271 _filtered #yiv4699829271 {font-family:Calibri;panose

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2014-12-19 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:09 PM Subject: Re: real A.I. On 12/19/2014 12:47 PM, Kim Jones wrote: Democracy is rotten to the core and always was. Democracy represents the greatest and most perverse

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2014-12-19 Thread meekerdb
On 12/19/2014 3:36 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: How is Comcast -- to take one example *not* functionally a monopoly? It is a monopoly where I live; I have no other cable provider I can choose from (DirectTV is not cable). No but it's a competitor. Why should you care how

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2014-12-19 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
...@verizon.net To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 4:37 PM Subject: Re: real A.I. On 12/19/2014 3:36 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: How is Comcast -- to take one example *not* functionally a monopoly? It is a monopoly where I live; I

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2014-12-18 Thread LizR
Democracy is the worst system of government ever invented - apart from all the others. Winston Churchill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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2014-12-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 11:25 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Democracy is the worst system of government ever invented - apart from all the others. Winston Churchill So why didn't he revolt against his own country's unelected sovereigns? The fellow was full of contradictions: The best

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-18 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Probably the only natural government, the one that does not need an ideological legitimation, is the feudal system. And all the rest tend to reproduce it in a bastardized way. That means that wathever the formal gobernment, the human nature tend towards a feudal system of loyalities, towards

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-18 Thread Jason Resch
I think the National Initiative ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_initiative#National_Initiative_for_Democracy_.28USA.29 ) is one of the most promising of proposed changes to the system of human governance that I have seen. I am also fond of the concept of an AItocracy: using open-source

RE: real A.I.

2014-12-18 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Resch Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:25 AM To: Everything List Subject: Re: real A.I. On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 6:07 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2014 10

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2014-12-18 Thread meekerdb
On 12/18/2014 10:16 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: *From:*everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Resch *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:25 AM *To:* Everything List *Subject:* Re: real A.I. On Tue, Dec 16

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2014-12-18 Thread meekerdb
On 12/18/2014 2:37 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 11:25 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Democracy is the worst system of government ever invented - apart from all the others. Winston Churchill So why didn't he revolt against his

RE: real A.I.

2014-12-18 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: meekerdb Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:06 AM. On 12/18/2014 10:16 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Resch Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:25 AM

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2014-12-18 Thread LizR
America - capitalist if you're poor, communist if you're rich. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

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2014-12-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:08 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/18/2014 2:37 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 11:25 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Democracy is the worst system of government ever invented - apart from all the others. Winston Churchill

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-17 Thread Jason Resch
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 6:07 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2014 10:15 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Liz, On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:51 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: What is funny - as well as sad and frightening - is the number of people here who apparently don't

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-17 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:07 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2014 10:15 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Liz, On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:51 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: What is funny - as well as sad and frightening - is the number of people here who apparently don't

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2014-12-17 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Dec 2014, at 11:11, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:07 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2014 10:15 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Liz, On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:51 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: What is funny - as well as sad and frightening - is

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2014-12-17 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Starting from the fact that The NHS was introduced by Bismark in the German Empire. for the same reasons that it is sustained today by democracies: populism. Since the introduction of NHS in England no new hospital was constructed until recently. Democracy, an element of the liberal state, lives

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 15 Dec 2014, at 19:51, LizR wrote: What is funny - as well as sad and frightening - is the number of people here who apparently don't believe in democracy, even in principle. Democracy is the idea that we can elect people to do things for everyone else (the NHS, conservation, social

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Dec 2014, at 19:51, LizR wrote: What is funny - as well as sad and frightening - is the number of people here who apparently don't believe in democracy, even in principle. Democracy is the idea that we can elect

RE: real A.I.

2014-12-16 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
-Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:45 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: real A.I. On 15 Dec 2014, at 19:51, LizR wrote: What is funny

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2014-12-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Liz, On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:51 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: What is funny - as well as sad and frightening - is the number of people here who apparently don't believe in democracy, even in principle. Democracy is the idea that we can elect people to do things for everyone else

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 16 Dec 2014, at 18:50, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Dec 2014, at 19:51, LizR wrote: What is funny - as well as sad and frightening - is the number of people here who apparently don't believe in democracy, even in

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-16 Thread meekerdb
On 12/16/2014 9:50 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Dec 2014, at 19:51, LizR wrote: What is funny - as well as sad and frightening - is the number of people here who

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-16 Thread meekerdb
On 12/16/2014 10:15 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Liz, On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:51 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote: What is funny - as well as sad and frightening - is the number of people here who apparently don't believe in democracy, even in principle.

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 5:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 December 2014 at 13:57, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Sent from AOL Mobile Mail But the market is sorting it out. Excuse me while I ROFL Similar hilarity may ensue from the

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2014-12-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
democratic socialism: The ideological form that oligarchy adopt in the era of mass media propaganda and liquid goods, where confiscation can not be done completely done by brute force 2014-12-15 11:52 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 5:40 AM, LizR

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2014-12-15 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
: Re: real A.I. On 15 December 2014 at 13:57, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Sent from AOL Mobile Mail But the market is sorting it out. Excuse me while I ROFL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything

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2014-12-15 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
: real A.I. democratic socialism: The ideological form that oligarchy adopt in the era of mass media propaganda and liquid goods, where confiscation can not be done completely done by brute force 2014-12-15 11:52 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 5:40

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2014-12-15 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 1:57 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Singularity isn't quite the right word, Some people prefer the word horizon, a point beyond which we can't make useful predictions because things are changing too fast and too radically; but I prefer singularity because a horizon

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2014-12-15 Thread LizR
On 15 December 2014 at 23:52, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 5:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 December 2014 at 13:57, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Sent from AOL Mobile Mail But the market is

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-15 Thread LizR
What is funny - as well as sad and frightening - is the number of people here who apparently don't believe in democracy, even in principle. Democracy is the idea that we can elect people to do things for everyone else (the NHS, conservation, social security, infrastructure, regulations, police,

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2014-12-15 Thread meekerdb
On 12/15/2014 10:51 AM, LizR wrote: What is funny - as well as sad and frightening - is the number of people here who apparently don't believe in democracy, even in principle. Democracy is the idea that we can elect people to do things for everyone else (the NHS, conservation, social security,

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2014-12-14 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
- From: Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com To: Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Dec 13, 2014 1:10 pm Subject: Re: real A.I. On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:44 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote

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2014-12-14 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
, 2014 2:46 pm Subject: RE: real A.I. From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:05 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: real A.I. Its taking a problem, like global warming, and exaggerating

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2014-12-14 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: there is another race occurring on our planet, which is the race towards planetary scale resource depletion, biodegradation, and overpopulation. It's true that the human race has never been

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2014-12-14 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 5:26 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: And everybody talks about global warming but there is something else going on too, global dimming. For reasons that are not clearly understood but may be related to clouds, at any given temperature it takes longer now for

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2014-12-14 Thread LizR
Singularity isn't quite the right word, because whatever happens will be limited by the laws of physics. Maybe nanotech actually is impossible. Maybe small scale fusion ditto. The assumption that we can increase everything without limit isn't likely to be correct. We have an idea of indefinite

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2014-12-14 Thread LizR
(Or all the above, given a multiverse...) On 15 December 2014 at 07:57, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Singularity isn't quite the right word, because whatever happens will be limited by the laws of physics. Maybe nanotech actually is impossible. Maybe small scale fusion ditto. The assumption

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2014-12-14 Thread meekerdb
everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Dec 13, 2014 1:10 pm Subject: Re: real A.I. On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:44 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote

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2014-12-14 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
property on the Moon, until people start settling there. That's my view. Tech first, Regulations last. -Original Message- From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, Dec 14, 2014 2:22 pm Subject: Re: real A.I

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2014-12-14 Thread Alberto G. Corona
everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Dec 13, 2014 1:10 pm Subject: Re: real A.I. On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:44 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: And deniers are luddite morons who think we can fix global warming

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2014-12-14 Thread LizR
On 15 December 2014 at 08:22, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Technology doesn't come by magic. Nuclear power and photovoltaics were both developed by the government. Low emission automobiles were developed in response to government regulation. Sure technology is the solution to

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2014-12-14 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
: real A.I. div id=AOLMsgPart_2_f9c614b8-b7f0-4dc7-87f4-2cca656d291e div dir=ltr div class=aolmail_gmail_extra div class=aolmail_gmail_quote On 15 December 2014 at 08:22, meekerdb span dir=ltra target=_blank href=mailto:meeke...@verizon.net;meeke...@verizon.net/a/span wrote

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2014-12-14 Thread LizR
On 15 December 2014 at 13:57, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Sent from AOL Mobile Mail But the market is sorting it out. Excuse me while I ROFL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To

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2014-12-13 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Dec 12, 2014 4:47 pm Subject: Re: real A.I. On 12/12/2014 12:02 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: Alberto... you sound like someone who is convinced that the black

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2014-12-13 Thread zibblequibble
On Saturday, December 13, 2014 7:01:01 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 12/12/2014 9:35 PM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.net javascript: wrote: Nobody bothered to explain that it might have been volcanoes or asteroid strikes as well as

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2014-12-13 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
? -Original Message- From: meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Dec 13, 2014 2:01 am Subject: Re: real A.I. On 12/12/2014 9:35 PM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM, meekerdb meeke

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2014-12-13 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: But nobody has a solution for excess CO2 that won't kill far far more people than climate warming ever will, or at least environmentalists don't. Donald McKay, without.com http://withouthotair.com, has spelled out exactly what

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2014-12-13 Thread meekerdb
On 12/13/2014 3:05 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Its taking a problem, like global warming, and exaggerating that problem, so as to impose regulation. Its regulation, as the power to control. You want to fight global warming, then invent and distribute better energy systems. This

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2014-12-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 5:57 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/13/2014 3:05 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Its taking a problem, like global warming, and exaggerating that problem, so as to impose regulation. Its regulation, as the power to control. You want to

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2014-12-13 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:44 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: And deniers are luddite morons who think we can fix global warming on short notice when it gets a lot worse but we can't screw it up in the meantime. For

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2014-12-13 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: The point is that none of these previous events involved such rapid change as we're seeing now, but even if they did, so what? We know what's going on, it isn't hard to monitor. We've known how the greenhouse effect works for more than 2

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2014-12-13 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 10:42 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: real A.I. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: The point is that none

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2014-12-13 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:05 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: real A.I. Its taking a problem, like global warming, and exaggerating that problem, so as to impose regulation

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2014-12-13 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jason Resch Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2014 10:11 AM To: Everything List Subject: Re: real A.I. On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 10:44 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 13

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2014-12-13 Thread LizR
On 14 December 2014 at 09:48, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: For heaven's sake, by 2100 we'll have full Nanotechnology and Quantum Computers at our disposal, or rather the human race's AI successors will. Global warming is small potatoes. I

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2014-12-13 Thread meekerdb
On 12/13/2014 10:42 AM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 LizR lizj...@gmail.com mailto:lizj...@gmail.com wrote: The point is that none of these previous events involved such rapid change as we're seeing now, but even if they did, so what? We know what's going on, it isn't

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2014-12-13 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
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2014-12-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
The key point is not energy, but power. Political power. 2014-12-12 7:20 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com: On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 3:41 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: We and other species could no doubt adapt to the much warmer climate of the Carboniferous era - but

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2014-12-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
There is hope anyway. For example slip the attention of the power hungry and their pawns, the obsessive people with other menaces. For example, the possible impact of an asteroid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aGMDMNeWh0 To divert world efforts to create a body of the UN to conjure that

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2014-12-12 Thread zibblequibble
On Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:02:23 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 10:37 PM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.net javascript: wrote: What evidence can you cite that in the past the Earth's temperature has risen more than 0.7degK in 40yrs? Except for the Ordovician

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2014-12-12 Thread zibblequibble
On Friday, December 12, 2014 6:20:05 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 3:41 PM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.net javascript: wrote: We and other species could no doubt adapt to the much warmer climate of the Carboniferous era - but not in a few hundred years. When

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2014-12-12 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:44 AM, zibblequib...@gmail.com wrote: Please explain how ether the 21,000 or 26,000 or 41,000 year Milankovitch cycle can explain why the Earth was colder than it's ever been 450 million years ago and hotter than any time in the last two billion years 360 million

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2014-12-12 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
johnkcl...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Dec 12, 2014 12:37 pm Subject: Re: real A.I. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:44 AM, zibblequib...@gmail.com wrote: Please explain how ether the 21,000 or 26,000 or 41,000 year Milankovitch cycle can explain why

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-12 Thread LizR
The point is that none of these previous events involved such rapid change as we're seeing now, but even if they did, so what? We know what's going on, it isn't hard to monitor. We've known how the greenhouse effect works for more than 2 centuries, we can measure the amount of carbon dioxide in

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-12 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 2:43 AM Subject: Re: real A.I. The key point is not energy, but power. Political power. Precisely... for once you say something that actually makes some

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-12 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:33 AM Subject: Re: real A.I. The point is that none of these previous events involved such rapid change as we're seeing now, but even if they did, so what? We know what's going

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-12 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
celestial catastrophe could... | | | | View on news.nationalgeograph... | Preview by Yahoo | | | |   |   From: Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 3:45 AM Subject: Re: real A.I. There is hope anyway

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-12 Thread meekerdb
On 12/12/2014 11:33 AM, LizR wrote: The point is that none of these previous events involved such rapid change as we're seeing now, but even if they did, so what? We know what's going on, it isn't hard to monitor. We've known how the greenhouse effect works for more than 2 centuries, we can

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
/090403-gamma-ray-extinction.html Preview by Yahoo -- *From:* Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com *To:* everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 3:45 AM *Subject:* Re: real A.I. There is hope anyway. For example

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
:* Friday, December 12, 2014 3:45 AM *Subject:* Re: real A.I. There is hope anyway. For example slip the attention of the power hungry and their pawns, the obsessive people with other menaces. For example, the possible impact of an asteroid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aGMDMNeWh0

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-12 Thread LizR
On 13 December 2014 at 10:23, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/12/2014 11:33 AM, LizR wrote: The point is that none of these previous events involved such rapid change as we're seeing now, but even if they did, so what? We know what's going on, it isn't hard to monitor. We've known

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-12 Thread LizR
On 13 December 2014 at 10:24, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: There are many kind of dumb people, but there are one kind of the dumbest ones, for which the Western Wold produce a massive surplus nowadays: the ones that think that, because they are born and they are so pretty and

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-12 Thread LizR
://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/04/090403-gamma-ray-extinction.html Preview by Yahoo -- *From:* Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com *To:* everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 3:45 AM *Subject:* Re: real A.I. There is hope

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
:* Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com *To:* everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 3:45 AM *Subject:* Re: real A.I. There is hope anyway. For example slip the attention of the power hungry and their pawns, the obsessive people with other menaces

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-12 Thread meekerdb
On 12/12/2014 12:02 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: Alberto... you sound like someone who is convinced that the black helicopters are coming for you. Since you seem to thrive on paranoia and fear, let me give you some more fodder to fuel the mental fires of the paranoia

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-12 Thread zibblequibble
On Friday, December 12, 2014 5:37:01 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:44 AM, zibble...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Please explain how ether the 21,000 or 26,000 or 41,000 year Milankovitch cycle can explain why the Earth was colder than it's ever been 450 million

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
This paraphrasis of the famous quote from Santayana is the best quote that I have read in years: http://tldr.es/32l 2014-12-12 22:33 GMT+01:00 LizR lizj...@gmail.com: On 13 December 2014 at 10:24, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: There are many kind of dumb people, but there are

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Meekerdb Of course, because, as you said some threads ago, I´m payed by Exxon to stop you saving the planet. Don´t you remember? 2014-12-12 22:47 GMT+01:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 12/12/2014 12:02 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: Alberto... you sound like

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-12 Thread zibblequibble
On Friday, December 12, 2014 5:37:01 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:44 AM, zibble...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Please explain how ether the 21,000 or 26,000 or 41,000 year Milankovitch cycle can explain why the Earth was colder than it's ever been 450 million

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-12 Thread meekerdb
On 12/12/2014 2:13 PM, zibblequib...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, December 12, 2014 5:37:01 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:44 AM, zibble...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Please explain how ether the 21,000 or 26,000 or 41,000 year Milankovitch cycle can

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-12 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
, December 12, 2014 2:08 PM Subject: Re: real A.I. Meekerdb Of course, because, as you said some threads ago, I´m payed by Exxon to stop you saving the planet. Don´t you remember? 2014-12-12 22:47 GMT+01:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 12/12/2014 12:02 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
, December 12, 2014 2:08 PM *Subject:* Re: real A.I. Meekerdb Of course, because, as you said some threads ago, I´m payed by Exxon to stop you saving the planet. Don´t you remember? 2014-12-12 22:47 GMT+01:00 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net: On 12/12/2014 12:02 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-12 Thread LizR
Glad you like it. It certainly seems extremely appropriate when there is an obesity epidemic, and the most watched TV programmes are things like Dancing with the stars and Celebrity Big Brother. Mind you if Wikipedia is right, bread and circuses was originated by the Romans - Juvenal to be exact.

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