On 05 Apr 2013, at 11:17, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 1:09 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/4/2013 3:50 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Jason Resch
jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Telmo Menezes
On 05 Apr 2013, at 16:16, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, April 5, 2013 9:41:40 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 05 Apr 2013, at 00:07, Craig Weinberg wrote (to Jason)
There are algorithms for implementing anything that does not
involve infinities.
Why do you think so? What algorithm
On 05 Apr 2013, at 16:30, Jason Resch wrote:
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 05 Apr 2013, at 00:07, Craig Weinberg wrote (to Jason)
There are algorithms for implementing anything that does not
involve infinities.
Why do you think so? What
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:50 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/4/2013 3:35 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/3/2013 2:44 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
You're making the same mistake as John Clark, confusing the physical
On Monday, April 8, 2013 7:42:22 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:50 PM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.netjavascript:
wrote:
On 4/4/2013 3:35 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:44 PM, meekerdb
meek...@verizon.netjavascript:
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On
If you see the image in the mirror and interact with it, then there has to
be something conscious somewhere. Just like a human controlling a remote
control car. The consciousness might exist somewhere else, but the car can
behave as intelligently as a human.
Jason
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:55
On Saturday, April 6, 2013 2:53:53 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
If you see the image in the mirror and interact with it, then there has to
be something conscious somewhere. Just like a human controlling a remote
control car. The consciousness might exist somewhere else, but the car can
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 1:09 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/4/2013 3:50 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at
On 05 Apr 2013, at 00:07, Craig Weinberg wrote (to Jason)
There are algorithms for implementing anything that does not involve
infinities.
Why do you think so? What algorithm implements purple or pain?
What make you think that purple or pain don't involve infinities?
(Also, many
On Friday, April 5, 2013 9:41:40 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 05 Apr 2013, at 00:07, Craig Weinberg wrote (to Jason)
There are algorithms for implementing anything that does not involve
infinities.
Why do you think so? What algorithm implements purple or pain?
What make you
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 05 Apr 2013, at 00:07, Craig Weinberg wrote (to Jason)
There are algorithms for implementing anything that does not involve
infinities.
Why do you think so? What algorithm implements purple or pain?
What make you
On Friday, April 5, 2013 10:30:29 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.bejavascript:
wrote:
On 05 Apr 2013, at 00:07, Craig Weinberg wrote (to Jason)
There are algorithms for implementing anything that does not involve
infinities.
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote:
There probably isn't a general learning algorithm there are just lots of
lesser learning algorithms,
Then you need a higher-level algorithm to decide which lesser algorithm
to use for each situation.
Yes, or use a
On 03 Apr 2013, at 16:48, Craig Weinberg wrote:
snip
Computationalism is the opposite of reductionism. It points on the
failure of the reductionist conception on numbers and machines.
But it does so by swallowing whole all phenomena which are not
numbers and machines.
Not at
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:08:25 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Craig Weinberg
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On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 8:58:37 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:06 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:08:25 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote:
On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 8:58:37 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Wed, Apr 3,
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:31:09 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:06 AM, Craig Weinberg
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wrote:
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:08:25 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:31:09 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:06 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:08:25 AM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Wed, Apr 3,
Somebody wrote:
You're making the same mistake as John Clark, confusing the physical
computer with the algorithm. Powerful computers don't help us if we don't
have the right algorithm.
True, and a powerful brain won't help you if you have no education or
memories.
The central mystery of
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/3/2013 2:44 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
You're making the same mistake as John Clark, confusing the physical
computer with the algorithm. Powerful computers don't help us if we don't
have the right algorithm. The central
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:34 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
Somebody wrote:
You're making the same mistake as John Clark, confusing the physical
computer with the algorithm. Powerful computers don't help us if we don't
have the right algorithm.
True, and a powerful brain
On 4/4/2013 3:35 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 11:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/3/2013 2:44 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
You're making the same mistake as John Clark, confusing the physical
computer with the algorithm. Powerful computers don't help us if we don't
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
wrote:
Then shouldn't a powerful computer be able to quickly
On 4/4/2013 3:50 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
wrote:
Then shouldn't a
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
Then shouldn't a powerful computer be able to quickly deduce the winning
Arimaa mappings?
You're making the same mistake as John
On 4/3/2013 2:44 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
You're making the same mistake as John Clark, confusing the physical computer with the
algorithm. Powerful computers don't help us if we don't have the right algorithm. The
central mystery of AI, in my opinion, is why on earth haven't we found a general
On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 5:44:24 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Telmo Menezes
te...@telmomenezes.comjavascript:
wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
Then shouldn't a powerful computer be able
Brent,
You're mail client is malfunctioning again, you are quoting something Telmo
wrote as coming from me.
My opinion on the matter of philosophical zombies is that they are
logically inconsistent.
Jason
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 5:44 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 4/3/2013 2:44
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 5:44:24 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote:
Hmm. You're right I was intending to ask Telmo that question.
Brent
On 4/3/2013 5:52 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
Brent,
You're mail client is malfunctioning again, you are quoting something Telmo wrote as
coming from me.
My opinion on the matter of philosophical zombies is that they are
On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 8:58:37 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Craig Weinberg
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wrote:
On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 5:44:24 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 8:58:37 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote:
On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 5:44:24 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
On Sat, Mar 30,
On 02 Apr 2013, at 15:38, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, April 2, 2013 4:44:45 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 01 Apr 2013, at 17:23, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Monday, April 1, 2013 6:12:48 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 31 Mar 2013, at 21:54, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday,
On 31 Mar 2013, at 21:54, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 31, 2013 10:59:22 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 30 Mar 2013, at 14:19, Craig Weinberg wrote:
If, instead of a video screen and joystick, I had an arcade game
fitted with a speaker and microphone, I could have another
On 30 Mar 2013, at 13:58, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Craig Weinberg
whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:52:04 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote:
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wednesday,
On 30 Mar 2013, at 14:19, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, March 30, 2013 7:08:25 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Mar 2013, at 13:31, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, March 29, 2013 6:28:02 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Mar 2013, at 20:36, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 30 Mar 2013, at 13:58, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:52:04 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote:
On Wed, Mar 27,
On Sunday, March 31, 2013 10:59:22 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 30 Mar 2013, at 14:19, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Saturday, March 30, 2013 7:08:25 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Mar 2013, at 13:31, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, March 29, 2013 6:28:02 AM UTC-4, Bruno
On 29 Mar 2013, at 13:31, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, March 29, 2013 6:28:02 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Mar 2013, at 20:36, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, March 28, 2013 1:29:19 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Mar 2013, at 13:23, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Strong
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:52:04 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote:
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote:
On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:03:27 PM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote:
On Saturday, March 30, 2013 7:08:25 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Mar 2013, at 13:31, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, March 29, 2013 6:28:02 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Mar 2013, at 20:36, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, March 28, 2013 1:29:19 PM UTC-4, Bruno
On Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:58:41 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
On Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:52:04 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote:
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Craig Weinberg
On 29 Mar 2013, at 13:31, Craig Weinberg wrote
I'm only interested in uncovering the truth about consciousness
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
You are asserting without argument that a theory is incorrect, and you do
this by assuming that it cannot do this or
On Saturday, March 30, 2013 12:52:21 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
On 29 Mar 2013, at 13:31, Craig Weinberg wrote
I'm only interested in uncovering the truth about consciousness
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be javascript:wrote:
You are asserting without argument
On 28 Mar 2013, at 20:36, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, March 28, 2013 1:29:19 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Mar 2013, at 13:23, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Strong AI may not really want to understand consciousness
This is a rhetorical trick. You put intention in the mind of
On Friday, March 29, 2013 6:28:02 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Mar 2013, at 20:36, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, March 28, 2013 1:29:19 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Mar 2013, at 13:23, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Strong AI may not really want to understand
The game Arinaa was designed by Omar Syed to be difficult for computers to
solve, he invented it to spur the improvement of artificial intelligence
software and so offered a $10,000 prize to the inventor of a software
program that could defeat any human player; however there were some
restrictions
On Friday, March 29, 2013 1:10:16 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
The game Arinaa was designed by Omar Syed to be difficult for computers
to solve, he invented it to spur the improvement of artificial intelligence
software and so offered a $10,000 prize to the inventor of a software
program
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
computation is different from consciousness, or more to the point, it is
the opposite of consciousness.
Did you learn that from astrology or numerology or by examining the
entrails of a chicken?
John K Clark
--
On Friday, March 29, 2013 8:46:34 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
computation is different from consciousness, or more to the point, it
is the opposite of consciousness.
Did you learn that from
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:03:27 PM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote:
Hi Craig,
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote:
From the Quora http://www.quora.com/Board-**
On Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:52:04 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote:
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:03:27 PM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote:
Hi Craig,
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:32:46 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
From the Quora
http://www.quora.com/Board-Games/What-are-some-fun-games-to-play-on-an-8x8-Checkerboard-besides-chess-checkers
This is
Hi Craig,
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
From the Quora
http://www.quora.com/Board-Games/What-are-some-fun-games-to-play-on-an-8x8-Checkerboard-besides-chess-checkers
This is interesting because I think it shows the weakness of the
On Wednesday, March 27, 2013 1:03:27 PM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote:
Hi Craig,
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
From the Quora
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
From the Quora
http://www.quora.com/Board-Games/What-are-some-fun-games-to-play-on-an-8x8-Checkerboard-besides-chess-checkers
This is interesting because I think it shows the weakness of the
one-dimensional view of
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