2013/12/11 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 5:40 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote:
We always feel that we are a single person
Yes but the copy that walked out of the duplicating chamber with you (or
perhaps you are the copy and he is the original, no
In john mind, if you can encounter (only in principle) your doppelganger,
then probability lose meaning (comp though experiment), if you can't (MWI)
then probability make sense... yeah... totally logical !
And for comp I said only in principle... because you could reconstruct the
second one 100
On 12 December 2013 17:00, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
Liz,
In forking MWI worlds, your ID is constantly changing as it depends on
various quantum states.
Your detailed nature is never duplicated. Every fork is a change from your
previous state.
If comp supports MWI, why
On 11 Dec 2013, at 17:06, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Bruno: but the human will say yes to the doctor anyway, and
without thinking to much
on the theoretical consequences of the possible survival.
Richard: I would always say no to the doctor because of the no-
cloning theorem.
The goal
On 12 Dec 2013, at 06:30, Jesse Mazer wrote:
Thanks Bruno. As I understand it step 8's movie-graph argument is
making a point similar to the implementation problem chalmers
discusses in the paper at http://consc.net/papers/rock.html --
basically the problem is that there seems to be no
On 11 Dec 2013, at 22:18, LizR wrote:
ISTM that Yes Doctor sums up comp. If a digital brain made below
my substitution level can substitute for my organic one, then I
literally have a 50% chance of waking up as the digital version.
However if the Subst Level is quantum, no cloning stops
Bruno: So, indeterminacy, non-locality, and non-cloning, are,
qualitatively, consequence of the comp hypothesis.
[if the sub level is above the quantum level, which you say is empirically
likely]
Richard: So if non-cloning is a consequence of comp, how is duplication
possible?
I read your
On 11 Dec 2013, at 21:35, John Mikes wrote:
Yes - to the doctor? I was always kept aback from agreeing, because
I still believe to have included M O R E in my mind
(brainfunctions, as you say) then whatever that good doctor and his
device may supply.
You have to assumed that there
On 11 Dec 2013, at 21:17, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/11/2013 1:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Dec 2013, at 20:08, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/10/2013 12:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Dec 2013, at 23:28, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/9/2013 12:06 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
Bell's theorm proves that
On 11 Dec 2013, at 21:10, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/11/2013 12:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 10 Dec 2013, at 20:20, George wrote:
Hi List
I haven't contributed to this list for a while but I thought you
might be interested in this article from the Science Daily on line
magazine
Neural
On 11 Dec 2013, at 18:58, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
Determinism is far from well established.
It's a basic assumption in almost every scientific theory.
In the most important theory in physics, Quantum Mechanics, no
such
On 11 Dec 2013, at 18:10, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 5:40 AM, Telmo Menezes
te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
We always feel that we are a single person
Yes but the copy that walked out of the duplicating chamber with you
(or perhaps you are the copy and he is the original,
Hi
In preparation for the coming weimar-type economy collapse,
where a loaf of bread will cost you $100 or more,
I'm going up to Germantown to buy Auguson Farms
emergency food pails at walmart. The 30 day pails of
emergency food will keep for 25 years, run from $80 to
$160 for 30 days. Maybe 6
On 11 Dec 2013, at 17:19, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 3:49 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
Then you can't say that you will survive anything. We die at each
instant
OK, but then you can't say that survival is important, or that the
word means much of
Hi -
Global warming ? Liberals live in a universe of lies.
Arctic sea ice increased by 51 % last year.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/10/22/51-growth-in-thick-arctic-ice-over-last-year/
Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
See my Leibniz site at
On 12/12/2013 1:36 AM, LizR wrote:
On 12 December 2013 17:00, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com
mailto:yann...@gmail.com wrote:
Liz,
In forking MWI worlds, your ID is constantly changing as it depends on
various
quantum states.
Your detailed nature is never duplicated. Every
On 12 Dec 2013, at 12:00, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Bruno: So, indeterminacy, non-locality, and non-cloning, are,
qualitatively, consequence of the comp hypothesis.
[if the sub level is above the quantum level, which you say is
empirically likely]
Richard: So if non-cloning is a consequence
Is it true that you're transferring to the University of Uruguay, Bruno?
Brent
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On 12 Dec 2013, at 18:31, meekerdb wrote:
Is it true that you're transferring to the University of Uruguay,
Bruno?
Yes, but not exactly. Apparently I will be triplicated in Washington,
Colorado, *and* Uruguay.
At the biochemical level, for sure!
:)
Bruno
Brent
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On 12/12/2013 9:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
2) the lower level: the description of the Heisenberg matrix state of the entire
(quantum observable) state of the entire local cluster of galaxies, (including dark
matter!) and all this at the level of the right fields, or at the level of elementary
As the great philosopher Tex Williams once wrote-
Now I'm a feller with a heart of gold
And the ways of a gentleman I've been told
The kind of guy that wouldn't even harm a flea
But if me and a certain character met
The guy that invented the cigarette
I'd murder that son-of-a-gun in the
On 12 Dec 2013, at 19:06, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/12/2013 9:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
2) the lower level: the description of the Heisenberg matrix state
of the entire (quantum observable) state of the entire local
cluster of galaxies, (including dark matter!) and all this at the
level of
On 12 Dec 2013, at 19:27, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
As the great philosopher Tex Williams once wrote-
Now I'm a feller with a heart of gold
And the ways of a gentleman I've been told
The kind of guy that wouldn't even harm a flea
But if me and a certain character met
The guy that invented the
On Dec 12, 2013, at 11:00 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/12/2013 1:36 AM, LizR wrote:
On 12 December 2013 17:00, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
Liz,
In forking MWI worlds, your ID is constantly changing as it depends
on various quantum states.
Your detailed
On 12/12/2013 12:57 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Dec 12, 2013, at 11:00 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/12/2013 1:36 AM, LizR wrote:
On 12 December 2013 17:00, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com
mailto:yann...@gmail.com wrote:
Liz,
In
Bruno: Please tell me if above helped.
Richard: Yes. Very much so. We being celestial, divine creatures, if you
want. We (first person) are already in heaven, or Platonia, is
completely consistent with my thinking
Bruno: To get non-comp, you need to install some function, which should
be shown
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
In Everett it's always obvious who I'm talking about when I use the
personal pronoun you, it's the only other fellow in the room with me; but
in Bruno's thought experiment there is a man standing to the right of the
Bruno: If our subst level is far above the quantum level, then QM can still
be derivable from arithmetic, but some constants can be geographical (and
thus variable in the whole of the physical reality).
Richard: Astronomical observations/measurements of the structure constant
across nearly the
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 3:10 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/12/2013 12:57 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Dec 12, 2013, at 11:00 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/12/2013 1:36 AM, LizR wrote:
On 12 December 2013 17:00, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
Any time John Clark pretends that he does not understand or believe in
first-person indeterminancy, refer him to his own post where he admitts to
understanding it and believing in it:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/5PR1FXp_CSU/PnuTSn_82PwJ
John Clark: So yes, subjectively the
From http://nsidc.org/
(The National Snow and Ice Data Center at the University of Colorado)
[image: Inline images 1]
Cue dismissal of the data based on the motives of the people putting it
forward.
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*Or if you prefer it in tabular form...Table 1. * Previous minimum Arctic
sea ice extents YEARMINIMUM ICE EXTENTDATEIN MILLIONS OF SQUARE KILOMETERSIN
MILLIONS OF SQUARE MILES20074.171.61September 1820084.591.77September 202009
5.131.98September 1320104.631.79September 2120114.331.67September
On 12 December 2013 22:36, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 December 2013 17:00, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
Liz,
In forking MWI worlds, your ID is constantly changing as it depends on
various quantum states.
Your detailed nature is never duplicated. Every fork is a change
You are a bunch of oil-paid negationists!
Your hands are stained with petrol!
2013/12/12, LizR lizj...@gmail.com:
*Or if you prefer it in tabular form...Table 1. * Previous minimum Arctic
sea ice extents YEARMINIMUM ICE EXTENTDATEIN MILLIONS OF SQUARE
KILOMETERSIN
MILLIONS OF SQUARE
The present title is better: *H U M A N consciousness. * I buy THAT as
being conscious. Of what? first of myself. Then:
the world around ME. Then the development of HUMAN thinking over the past
millennia, including good old D. Hume, who -
IMO - was a wise person, but I feel since his time
On 13 December 2013 06:00, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/12/2013 1:36 AM, LizR wrote:
On 12 December 2013 17:00, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
Liz,
In forking MWI worlds, your ID is constantly changing as it depends on
various quantum states.
Your detailed
On 13 December 2013 10:27, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
In Everett it's always obvious who I'm talking about when I use the
personal pronoun you, it's the only other fellow in the room with me; but
in Bruno's
On 13 December 2013 11:11, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
You are a bunch of oil-paid negationists!
Your hands are stained with petrol!
Why would posting a graph showing that Arctic sea ice has been in decline
since 1978, and that the current increase is insignificant compared
Good luck!
On 13 December 2013 00:34, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi
In preparation for the coming weimar-type economy collapse,
where a loaf of bread will cost you $100 or more,
I'm going up to Germantown to buy Auguson Farms
emergency food pails at walmart. The 30 day pails
On 13 December 2013 07:04, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 12 Dec 2013, at 18:31, meekerdb wrote:
Is it true that you're transferring to the University of Uruguay, Bruno?
Yes, but not exactly. Apparently I will be triplicated in Washington,
Colorado, *and* Uruguay.
And
On 12/12/2013 2:52 PM, LizR wrote:
On 13 December 2013 06:00, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 12/12/2013 1:36 AM, LizR wrote:
On 12 December 2013 17:00, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com
mailto:yann...@gmail.com wrote:
Liz,
In
On 13 December 2013 13:07, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/12/2013 2:52 PM, LizR wrote:
On 13 December 2013 06:00, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/12/2013 1:36 AM, LizR wrote:
On 12 December 2013 17:00, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
Liz,
In
On 12/12/2013 4:18 PM, LizR wrote:
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On 12/12/2013 1:36
On 13 December 2013 14:04, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
The result was lack of frequency dispersion for gamma rays. So it was
assuming some interaction between photons and the discrete units of
spacetime. That seems pretty tight.
Assuming the interpretation is correct, at least.
On 12/12/2013 5:12 PM, LizR wrote:
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wrote:
The result was lack of frequency dispersion for gamma rays. So it was
assuming some
interaction between photons and the discrete units of spacetime. That
Thanks, I will have a go at understanding those.
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Having had a go at following the first paper, I will have to give in and
just accept that lack of dispersion indicates lack of quantum foam.
It seems ironic that quantum theory is supposed to explain what happens at
small scales compared to relativity, but now we have what looks like an
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