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>>> Are you claiming that there is an objective arithmetical realm that
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> hh, but diophantine equations only need integers, addition, and
>> multiplication, and can define any computable function. Therefore the
>> question of whether or no
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On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 7:53 AM John Clark wrote:
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> >> Static with respect to what dimension? The block universe is a
>>> mathematical 4D object constructed in 1 dimension of time and 3 dimensions
>>> of
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>> Yes, you create a whole theology around not all truths are provable. But
>> you ignore that what is fal
On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 8:43 PM Brent Meeker wrote:
> Yes, you create a whole theology around not all truths are provable. But
> you ignore that what is false is also provable. Provable is only relative
> to axioms.
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1. Do you agree a Turing machine will either halt or not?
2. Do you agree
On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 9:36 AM John Clark wrote:
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> >>The block universe changes along the time dimension and special
>>> relativity deals with time, but the number 3 never changes with time and
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> >> Without physics reality would not need a foundation because there
>>> would be no reality, there would be nothing. And nothing could be explained
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> >>Without matter and the laws of physics there could be no objective
>>> statements or statements of any sort because there would be nobody around
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>>> illusion of matter? TIA, AG
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>> This is explained in Bruno's work:
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>> They are fundamental only in the sense that one can use them as axioms.
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I think truth is p
On Sun, Dec 9, 2018 at 2:53 PM Brent Meeker wrote:
> They are fundamental only in the sense that one can use them as axioms.
> So their fundamentalism is circular.
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> 1. Numbers come from counting.
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Numbers come from relationships upon which objective statements can be made
(with or without objects to count).
For example, I can make and prove a statement about a nu
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> Thank you for this
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>>> I've been looking at the Wiki article on this topic. I find that I
>>> really don't understand what it is, or why it's important. May
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> > On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 09:43:48PM -0500, Jason Resch wrote:
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> >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 8:11 PM Bruce Kellett <
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On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 10:05 PM Bruce Kellett
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On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 8:11 PM Bruce Kellett
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> Quantum computers will certainly impact cryptography where there's heavy
> reliance on factoring primes and discrete logarithms.
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> I am really interested in the problem of factoring primes. Will a quantum
> compu
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>> If I start a 200 qubit quantum computer at time = 0, and 100 microseconds
>> later it has produced a result that required going through 2^200 = 1.6 x
>> 10^60 = states (more states
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On Wednesday, August 15, 2018, wrote:
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> I've been looking at the Wiki article on this topic. I find that I really
> don't understand what it is, or why it's important. Maybe a few succinct
> words from the usual suspects can be of help. TIA.
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>>> On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 11:49:04 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 15 Aug 2018, at 12:36, agrays...@gm
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>> *I'm from Missouri; SHOW ME! *
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> I show you the double slit experiment. David Deutsch said if other worlds
> are just a interpretation of the double slit experiment then dinosaur are
> just a
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> On 8/13/2018 7:27 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
> > I bring this question up because you repeatedly refer to only "one
> > Alice" before the measurement, and also say that Alice and Bob are "in
> > one
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>> They do not "belong to different branches&quo
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> From: Bruno Marchal
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> On 9 Aug 2018, at 14:03, Bruce Kellett wrote:
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> The original Alice and Bob are those in the same branch of the wave
> function all the way along. There are no
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>> If there is a FTL physical influence, even if the
On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 6:39 PM Bruce Kellett
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> From: Bruno Marchal
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> If there is a FTL physical influence, even if there is no information
> transfer possible, it leads to big problems with any reality interpretation
> of special relativity, notably well described by Maudlin. Maudlin
On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 2:19 PM Bruno Marchal wrote:
> Hi Jason, people,
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Hi Bruno,
Thank you for this. I've been trying to digest it over the past few days.
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> I will send my post on the Church-Turing thesis and incompleteness later.
> It is too long.
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> So, let us proceed with the combi
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 12:38 AM Brent Meeker wrote:
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On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:34 PM Brent Meeker wrote:
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On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 1:39 PM Brent Meeker wrote:
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> On 7/31/2018 9:19 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
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> What I was referring to with the "can only be seen" were the *effects* of
> the interference, be they the final results of the quantum computation or
> the light
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>>> On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Bre
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 12:15 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:51 PM, Jason Resch
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>>> I was simplifying things to get to the essential difference between a
>>> communication and a influence and you're just changin
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:11 AM Brent Meeker wrote:
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> On 7/30/2018 9:21 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 1:34:58 AM UTC, Brent wrote:
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>> On 7/30/2018 4:40 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 7:50:47 PM UTC, Bren
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:04 PM Bruce Kellett
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> From: Jason Resch
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> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:39 PM Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
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>> From: Jason Resch
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>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:57 PM John Clark wrote:
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>>> On Mon, Jul 30, 20
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 1:15 AM Brent Meeker wrote:
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> On 7/30/2018 9:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:21 PM Bruce Kellett
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>> From: Jason Resch
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>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:33 PM Bruce Kellett
>> w
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 12:01 AM Bruce Kellett
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> From: Jason Resch
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> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:21 PM Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
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>> From: Jason Resch
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>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:33 PM Bruce Kellett
>> wrote:
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>>> From: Jaso
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 11:21 PM Bruce Kellett
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> From: Jason Resch
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> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:33 PM Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
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>> From: Jason Resch
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>> You can use "itself" only if this "it" can be in multiple locations
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 10:06 PM wrote:
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> On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 at 12:57:34 AM UTC, Jason wrote:
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>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:42 PM Bruce Kellett
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>>> From: Jason Resch
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:33 PM Bruce Kellett
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> From: Jason Resch
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> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:36 PM Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
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>> From: Jason Resch
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>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 6:12 PM Bruce Kellett
>> wrote:
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>>> Fro
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 9:06 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 9:14 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
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>>> You and I have quantum entangled coins, I'm on Earth and you're in the
>>> Andromeda Galaxy 2 million light years away. I flip my co
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:39 PM Bruce Kellett
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> From: Jason Resch
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> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:57 PM John Clark wrote:
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>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:11 PM, smitra wrote:
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>>> * > A concept of "influence" without any inform
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:57 PM John Clark wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:11 PM, smitra wrote:
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>> * >A concept of "influence" without any information transfer is
>> ambiguous. The meaning of this "influence" will be dependent on the
>> particular interpretation used, it has no operationa
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:42 PM Bruce Kellett
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> From: Jason Resch
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> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:22 PM Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
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>> From: Jason Resch
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>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 2:38 PM Brent Meeker
>> wrote:
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On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:36 PM Bruce Kellett
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> From: Jason Resch
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> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 6:12 PM Bruce Kellett
> wrote:
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>> From: Jason Resch
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>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 12:29 AM, Bruce Kellett <
>> bhkell...@optusnet.com.
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 7:22 PM Bruce Kellett
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> From: Jason Resch
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> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 2:38 PM Brent Meeker wrote:
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>> On 7/30/2018 7:39 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
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>> Does it exist and happen, or does the final result merel
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 6:12 PM Bruce Kellett
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> From: Jason Resch
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> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 12:29 AM, Bruce Kellett > wrote:
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>> From: Jason Resch
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>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 12:13 AM, Brent Meeker
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>&g
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 2:38 PM Brent Meeker wrote:
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> On 7/30/2018 7:39 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
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> Does it exist and happen, or does the final result merely materialize
>>> magically like the live or dead cat?
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>> *In my view, we don't
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 12:49 AM, wrote:
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> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 5:17:16 AM UTC, Jason wrote:
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>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 12:13 AM, Brent Meeker
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>>> ?? Quantum computers cannot calculate anything more than classical
>>> computers. There are some algorithms that al
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 12:41 AM, wrote:
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> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 5:08:24 AM UTC, Jason wrote:
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>> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 10:30 PM, wrote:
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>>> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 3:11:47 AM UTC, Jason wrote:
On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 6:44 PM, wrote:
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On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 12:29 AM, Bruce Kellett
wrote:
> From: Jason Resch
>
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> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 12:13 AM, Brent Meeker
> wrote:
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>> ?? Quantum computers cannot calculate anything more than classical
>> computers. There are some algorithms that allow
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 12:13 AM, Brent Meeker wrote:
> ?? Quantum computers cannot calculate anything more than classical
> computers. There are some algorithms that allow a QC to calculate
> something faster; but the domain and range is the same.
>
> So absent that reason does it follow that t
On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 10:30 PM, wrote:
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> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 3:11:47 AM UTC, Jason wrote:
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>> On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 6:44 PM, wrote:
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>>> On Sunday, July 29, 2018 at 11:23:49 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:
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