Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-18 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 4/17/06 11:34:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If it is the only way to shut their operation down and prevent them from building their own then so be it.And then you've got your 40,000 maddened suicide bombers,or more, some of them with

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-18 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 4/18/06 12:23:28 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . Their government is elected democratically but with certain controls imposed on it from the clergy. Close enough. The Mullahs have the final say. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What MMY and the TMO holds up as a guide to the ideal form of administration is The Ramayana, which recounts how Lord Rama ruled at Ayodha for ~11,000 years some two million years ago. In other words, a fairytale.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trailer for Al Gore's new film

2006-04-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUiP6dqPynE Good for him. It's a big issue. The smart people I know with property along the Mediterranean or along the French coast have all sold that property within the last year.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: And they all lived happily ever after. yeah-- very difficult to promote ideals during kali yuga because it is so hard to sustain them. we

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: What MMY and the TMO holds up as a guide to the ideal form of administration is The Ramayana, which recounts how Lord Rama ruled at Ayodha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: What MMY and the TMO holds up as a guide to the ideal form of

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: Judy, Wilber talks extensively about his experience of

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] He may or may not. *I* question whether or not two different EEG patterns that lead to the same description are really the same state,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: What MMY and the TMO holds up as a guide to the ideal form of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: And they all lived happily ever after. yeah-- very difficult to

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-18 Thread Richard Hughes
From: anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times' Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:41:27 - Hi Richard, Comment Below... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-18 Thread Richard Hughes
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times' Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:15:44 EDT In a message dated 4/17/06 2:53:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: AK and reggae are OK?

2006-04-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whadya know! Many Amerikan soldiers in Iraq use weapons designed by Russian Mikhail Kalashnikov, primarily AK-47?! M-16's sucked in Viet Nam? Even in 'Nam soldiers threw away their M-16s if they could get their

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-18 Thread Richard Hughes
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times' Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:15:44 EDT Up until 911 the only Middle eastern country the US has any history of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-18 Thread Richard Hughes
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times' Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:06:07 EDT In a message dated 4/17/06 2:30:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 7:22 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 1:08 PM, sparaig wrote: There's plenty of people who claim plenty of things.

[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/17/06 10:22:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: , Pakistan and Israel have not had a reputation of exporting terrorism although sometimes the Indian government tries to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:06 PM, sparaig wrote: OK, that's what the Esalen book says. The TM studies are not anecdotal accounts. It will be interesting to see what a 3-month study shows, although 4 months is the average time for the brainwaves to show their greatest average change during TM

Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:04 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:18 PM, authfriend wrote:  Well, it shows he has some control over whatever it is the machine is measuring, which is moderately impressive in and of itself. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:06 PM, sparaig wrote: OK, that's what the Esalen book says. The TM studies are not anecdotal accounts. It will be interesting to see what a 3-month study shows, although 4 months is the average

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:04 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 8:18 PM, authfriend wrote: Well, it shows he has some control over whatever it is

Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 2:34 AM, sparaig wrote: But we don't know what he did. A 2-channel EEG doesn't tell jack about the workings of a brain. Some believe that a 128-channel doesn'ttell much. And... One of the claimed things he did was to stop his brain waves, period. Get real, that's

Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:08 PM, sparaig wrote: Plenty of people mistake depersonalization due to stress for witnessing, even though the EEG traces are completely different. Just because someone describes an internal state the same way, doesn't mean its really the same state. In KW's case, he

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:30 AM, sparaig wrote: I suspect that what you call transcending is not the same as what TMers call transcending. Given that TMers don't report transcending during TM until after-the-fact, this is hardly surprising... It'd probably depend on what *style* of

Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 7:32 AM, sparaig wrote: Irregardless it's great for practitioners who want see what's going on and how their practice effects state changes. No, it's not meant for serious investigators, LOL... It doesn't give any kind of idea of what is going on. Placement of a

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread Patrick Gillam
On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:08 PM, sparaig wrote: Plenty of people mistake depersonalization due to stress for witnessing, even though the EEG traces are completely different. Just because someone describes an internal state the same way, doesn't mean its really the same state. Please

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:30 AM, sparaig wrote: I suspect that what you call transcending is not the same as what TMers call transcending. Given that TMers don't report transcending during TM until after-the-fact,

Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread Peter
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where and how did anyone compare the EEG traces of depersonalization and true witnessing? Exactly. Spare-egg is speaking out of his spare egg! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread Sal Sunshine
Bingo. Sal On Apr 18, 2006, at 1:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: That is possible.  There are a *lot* of people who are afraid of taking responsibility for their own lives, and who are hoping desperately for Santa Claus to come along and rule them and tell them what to do all the time so they

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 8:13 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:30 AM, sparaig wrote: I suspect that what you call transcending is not the same as what TMers call transcending. Given that TMers don't

[FairfieldLife] Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/18/06 1:13 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: And they all lived happily ever after. yeah-- very difficult to promote ideals

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip This is not just Hindu-bashing, BTW. I feel the same way about people

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/18/06 1:20 AM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: What MMY and the TMO holds up as a guide to the ideal form of administration is The

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: And they all lived happily ever after. yeah-- very difficult to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/18/06 10:12 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't find anywhere that Bob suggested there was a modern-day, real-world example of an ideal society. Seems to me he was talking about (a) why someone might have confidence in the Vedic account of a Sat-Yuga golden age, and

[FairfieldLife] Reasons (was Re: Forcing people to meditate)

2006-04-18 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: Many of us here believe in things for which there is as yet no scientific evidence or record. Some of us believe in past lives. Some even believe they have seen somebody levitate. Some of these same people, however, advocate that one trust one's own experience even

[FairfieldLife] Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: What MMY and the TMO holds up as a guide to the ideal form of administration is The Ramayana, which recounts how Lord Rama ruled at Ayodha for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: snip People have embraced democracy because good people are not available to be rulers... People have embraced democracy because it's a good

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/18/06 1:13 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: And

[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'

2006-04-18 Thread Robert Gimbel
Encouraging children to commit suicide for some relgious or nationalistic cause, has to be considered insane and demonic. I can't think of too many historical instances of this kind of policy. It goes against the basis nature of life, in all ways. In all of the past instances, where this tactic

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip Don't get so stuck in your paradigm. Good advice, but do you honestly think it's possible? From my point of view, Lawson represents an almost-

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: snip People have embraced democracy because good people are not

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:30 AM, sparaig wrote: I suspect that what you call transcending is not the same as what TMers call transcending. Given that TMers don't report transcending during TM until after-the-fact,

[FairfieldLife] FW: Please help me build an alternative to the ReligiousRight--before it's too late!

2006-04-18 Thread Rick Archer
Title: FW: Please help me build an alternative to the ReligiousRight--before it's too late! - Original Message - From: Rabbi Michael Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Please help me build an alternatve to the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/18/06 10:12 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't find anywhere that Bob suggested there was a modern-day, real-world example of an ideal society. Seems to me he was talking about (a) why

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 12:35 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:30 AM, sparaig wrote: I suspect that what you call transcending is not the same as what TMers call transcending. Given that TMers don't

[FairfieldLife] Mandeans: Cult of John the Baptist

2006-04-18 Thread shempmcgurk
Mandeans MANDEANS IN THE MIDDLE EAST Last column: % Mandeans of the population Iraq 30,000 0.12% Total *) 30,000 0.007% Other countries 30,000 *) Calculated for the total population of North Africa and the Middle East, approx. 460,000,000. The only surviving Gnostic

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: What MMY and the TMO holds up as a guide to the ideal form of

[FairfieldLife] Reasons (was Re: Forcing people to meditate)

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend wrote: Many of us here believe in things for which there is as yet no scientific evidence or record. Some of us believe in past lives. Some even believe they have seen somebody levitate.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Even those forms of governance we know about that grant people the greatest measure of responsibility nevertheless restrict that responsibility in some areas. As Bob points out, democracy can result in a tyranny

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/18/06 11:55 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: What MMY and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 18, 2006, at 12:35 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:30 AM, sparaig wrote: I suspect that what you call transcending is not the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 12:58 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Granting your point above--and others along the same lines having to do with the unlikelihood of practical implementation --it seems to me the original point Bob was making has been overlooked, which was that when MMY advocates enlightened

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/18/06 11:58 AM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Maharishi praises Fidel Castro, Robert Mugabe, and their ilk, so what are we to think? http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=49377 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/18/06 11:55 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Reasons (was Re: Forcing people to meditate)

2006-04-18 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote: But I'm not sure on the basis of your precis here just how it's related to my post. Yeah, I thought of that after clicking Send. We talk a lot around here about the reasons behind actions and beliefs. What this article does is talk about how some reasons are just

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread Sal Sunshine
That his words can be twisted to the point that a pretzel would look like a straight line as long as it suits the person doing it...basically, whatever he says is right simply because he says it, and the rest of us are just too ignorant and/or blind to be able to ferret out his real meaning. And

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread Dharma Mitra
I don't engage much in the bark-fest of tribalistic beligerencies, including in yoga, though common sense and truthfulness are indeed imperative in the life of any being. One of the ways Patanjali got it wrong was in how he defined yoga: What is yoga? There are three definitions: 1)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 1:02 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 18, 2006, at 12:35 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:30 AM, sparaig wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That his words can be twisted to the point that a pretzel would look like a straight line as long as it suits the person doing it...basically, whatever he says is right simply because he says it, and the rest of us

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread anon_couscous_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm replying just to thank you for a few French fries short of a Happy Meal. That cracked me right up. :-) It seems to have really resonated with you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

RE: [FairfieldLife] Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, was: T

2006-04-18 Thread Richard Hughes
From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:11:59 -0500 on 4/18/06 1:13 AM, TurquoiseB at

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 18, 2006, at 1:02 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Apr 18, 2006, at 12:35 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That his words can be twisted to the point that a pretzel would look like a straight line as long as it suits the person doing it... Just out of curiosity, how is suggesting that MMY may have had something in mind

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 2:54 PM, authfriend wrote: What on earth is your *problem*?? I'm my own questioner. I asked my own question. You won't answer either Lawson's original question or my version of it, and your nonresponses have been irrationally testy. Why should I not assume you're

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: And they all lived happily ever after. yeah-- very difficult to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't engage much in the bark-fest of tribalistic beligerencies, including in yoga, though common sense and truthfulness are indeed imperative in the life of any being. One of the ways Patanjali got it wrong was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 18, 2006, at 2:54 PM, authfriend wrote: What on earth is your *problem*?? I'm my own questioner. I asked my own question. You won't answer either Lawson's original question or my version of it, and your

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 3:26 PM, authfriend wrote: That wasn't the question. Lawson specified that it was one of the styles. He's asking if what you describe is (a) the *goal* of this style, or (b) a potential outcome. This was the question I was answering. If you're asking

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 18, 2006, at 3:26 PM, authfriend wrote: That wasn't the question. Lawson specified that it was one of the styles. He's asking if what you describe is (a) the *goal* of this style, or (b) a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/18/06 2:20 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And don't forget Marcos. Seems to me that project worked just fine. People started meditating, started thinking more coherently as a result, and promptly ejected Marcos from power. I was there. Many did start meditating. Some

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And don't forget Marcos. Seems to me that project worked just fine. People started meditating, started thinking more coherently as a result, and promptly ejected Marcos from power. Wow, not even the TMO has put

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 4/18/06 11:55 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/18/06 2:20 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And don't forget Marcos. Seems to me that project worked just fine. People started meditating, started thinking more coherently as a result, and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 4:02 PM, authfriend wrote: In other words: In this style of Samatha, are you instructed to trace the seed syllable back to its source (i.e., the goal of this style of meditation)? Or do you find yourself tracing the seed syllable back to its source when you practice

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: And don't forget Marcos. Seems to me that project worked just fine. People started meditating, started thinking more coherently as a

[FairfieldLife] I'll have that with a cup of Katey's urine, please!

2006-04-18 Thread shempmcgurk
EXCLUSIVE: TOM CHEWS Mission Impossible star Cruise vows to eat placenta after birth By Patrick Mulchrone TOM Cruise yesterday revealed his latest bizarre mission..to eat his new baby's placenta. Cruise vowed he would tuck in straight after girlfriend Katie Holmes gives birth, saying he

[FairfieldLife] The individual and God

2006-04-18 Thread bob_brigante
Global Press Conference, 25.2.04 Is there a difference between the individual and God in the transcendental state? MAHARISHI: The individual is a loving child of God, if we want to make a difference and union. He is a loving child of God. We don`t say he is God because that will be to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/18/06 2:20 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And don't forget Marcos. Seems to me that project worked just fine. People started meditating, started thinking more coherently as a result, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 18, 2006, at 4:02 PM, authfriend wrote: In other words: In this style of Samatha, are you instructed to trace the seed syllable back to its source (i.e., the goal of this style of meditation)? Or do you find

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread peterklutz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [giant mercy snip] My real point in all this is what it usually is--simply that, objectively speaking, the extreme negative view of MMY is no more certain than the extreme positive view. Correction: the views on MMY

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sat Yuga Fairy Tale? was: Forcing people to meditate, was: T

2006-04-18 Thread peterklutz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] As far as I'm aware the yuga cycle takes billions of years to run, so it seems unlikely that it is real as there would have been no humans in existence to experience the last age of enlightenment, or even a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bingo. Sal On Apr 18, 2006, at 1:30 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: That is possible.  There are a *lot* of people who are afraid of taking responsibility for their own lives, and who are hoping desperately for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/18/06 10:12 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't find anywhere that Bob suggested there was a modern-day, real-world example of an ideal society. Seems to me he was talking about (a) why

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/18/06 11:55 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/18/06 11:58 AM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Maharishi praises Fidel Castro, Robert Mugabe, and their ilk, so what are we to think? http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=49377

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:15 PM, peterklutz wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [giant mercy snip] My real point in all this is what it usually is--simply that, objectively speaking, the extreme negative view of MMY is no more certain than the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Forcing people to meditate, was: The Feud--one lurker's view

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:36 PM, bob_brigante wrote: The pundits in the Brahmastan of India are purifying the atmosphere there so that Vedic culture can be restored to India -- when that happens, there will be an ideal society serving as a lighthouse to the world. So you've seen pictures of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/18/06 2:20 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And don't forget Marcos. Seems to me that project worked just fine. People started meditating, started thinking more coherently as a result, and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread Rick Archer
on 4/18/06 4:43 PM, bob_brigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/18/06 11:58 AM, Rick Archer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Maharishi praises Fidel Castro, Robert Mugabe, and their ilk, so what are we to think?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightened leadership - Term Limits? Was: Forcing people

2006-04-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [giant mercy snip] My real point in all this is what it usually is--simply that, objectively speaking, the extreme negative view of MMY is no

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:08 PM, sparaig wrote: Plenty of people mistake depersonalization due to stress for witnessing, even though the EEG traces are completely different. Just because someone describes an internal state

[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:30 AM, sparaig wrote: I suspect that what you call transcending is not the same as what TMers call transcending. Given that TMers don't report transcending during TM until after-the-fact,

Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 6:28 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 18, 2006, at 2:34 AM, sparaig wrote: But we don't know what he did. A 2-channel EEG doesn't tell jack about the workings of a brain. Some believe that a

Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head] Buddhist techniques vs TM

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 6:29 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 17, 2006, at 11:08 PM, sparaig wrote: Plenty of people mistake depersonalization due to stress for witnessing, even though the EEG traces are completely

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head

2006-04-18 Thread Vaj
On Apr 18, 2006, at 6:29 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 18, 2006, at 5:30 AM, sparaig wrote: I suspect that what you call transcending is not the same as what TMers call transcending. Given that TMers don't

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