[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying video

2006-11-29 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip And, no, of course that's not what the fourth is. The fourth is not taught in TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying video

2006-11-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] The problem I have seen with YF Exhibitions and the public perception of this is simply that the same physically built people are always chosen: skinny or lean, flexible enough to sit in full lotus and hit the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying video

2006-11-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip And, no,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying video

2006-11-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...[ In the youtube video, the gymnasts who try to imitate Yogic Flying give a very poor imitation of YF, and are exhausted after only 5 minutes, in contrast to the clear height and length advantage of YFers, who

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying video

2006-11-29 Thread Vaj
On Nov 29, 2006, at 12:55 AM, pranamoocher wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip And, no, of course

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying video

2006-11-29 Thread Vaj
On Nov 28, 2006, at 10:44 PM, sparaig wrote: Guffaw. TM researchers have never mentioned 'the fourth pranayama in any research or discussion that I have heard. Of course, I notice you neatly snipt the original Yoga Sutra context where the term fourth occurs in the context of pranayama

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying video

2006-11-29 Thread Vaj
On Nov 28, 2006, at 10:49 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 28, 2006, at 6:39 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Nov 28, 2006, at 4:29 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying video

2006-11-29 Thread Vaj
On Nov 28, 2006, at 10:45 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 28, 2006, at 8:55 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: It's a key part of the YS. jstein wrote: But for some odd reason, Vaj is unable to cite it. Vaj isn't the only

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying video

2006-11-29 Thread llundrub
What was it you wanted to know? -Exactly. What was the point of all this tattle telling?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying video

2006-11-29 Thread Vaj
On Nov 29, 2006, at 9:15 AM, llundrub wrote: What was it you wanted to know? -Exactly. What was the point of all this tattle telling? Who knows.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Leaves me speechless...

2006-11-29 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Follow-up on the Great Peace Sign Flap from today's NYTimes: November 29, 2006 Pro-Peace Symbol Forces Win Battle in Colorado Town By KIRK JOHNSON DENVER, Nov. 28 — Peace is fighting back in Pagosa Springs.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying video

2006-11-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 28, 2006, at 10:45 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Nov 28, 2006, at 8:55 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: It's a key part of the YS. jstein wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying video

2006-11-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 28, 2006, at 10:49 PM, sparaig wrote: snip So where is the research on the fourth done by serious scientists?' Some old research and more modern research on tummo (inner heat) meditation which mastery of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread nablusos108
Vaj is a fraud. He has no knowledge whatsoever about what he is writing. No knowledge of TM, the TM-Sidhis or the mechanics of structuring higher states of consciousness with Transcendental Meditation. Unfortunally for him, he is just a silly Budhist fundamentalist. His motivation is to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation is a natural and effective cure for mental illness.

2006-11-29 Thread nablusos108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- suziezuzie msilver1951@ wrote: At what level of psychosis would you suggest that someone shouldn't meditate? Any level

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread llundrub
I think if Vaj way selling something and you were persuaded to buy you might ask for your money back. But since nothing has been lost, therefore no malicious intent to defraud could be really interpreted. And if you gained anything at all in the process that put MMY or TM in some perspective

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying video

2006-11-29 Thread llundrub
I haven't been this close to playing in the sandbox since I was small. This group usually reminds me of this comedy skit where a bunch of powerful people are all themselves as grade schoolers and we come to realize that it's funny because they're still the same. Nothing's changed! -

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread Peter
Bad Vaj! Bad Vaj! Minimal soup for you! --- nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj is a fraud. He has no knowledge whatsoever about what he is writing. No knowledge of TM, the TM-Sidhis or the mechanics of structuring higher states of consciousness with Transcendental Meditation.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think if Vaj way selling something and you were persuaded to buy you might ask for your money back. But since nothing has been lost, therefore no malicious intent to defraud could be really interpreted. What he's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread nablusos108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bad Vaj! Bad Vaj! Minimal soup for you! Rather, if soup was soma, minimal = 0. The SomaNazi would say; no soma for you ! --- nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj is a fraud. He has no knowledge whatsoever

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 11/28/06 8:54:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes we don't need to reexamine freedom of speech and we need to take back what curbs have put on freedom speech. Anyone knows that freedom of speech and terrorist attacks have nothing in common. It

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread kaladevi93
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vaj is a fraud. He has no knowledge whatsoever about what he is writing. No knowledge of TM, the TM-Sidhis or the mechanics of structuring higher states of consciousness with Transcendental Meditation.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread Vaj
Thanks, but I'll continue to drink from the infinite soup of Pure Consciousness, whether Tm McMeditation fundies like it or not! :-) On Nov 29, 2006, at 10:37 AM, Peter wrote: Bad Vaj! Bad Vaj! Minimal soup for you!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread llundrub
I don't think he says TM is a fraud, just that some aspects of the teaching are very limited and limiting. - Original Message - From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 10:06 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread nablusos108
Ha ha, if someone is a sincere truth seeker then they sincerely uphold and seek the truth even at loss to their own view. TM Governors are some of the most limited seekers ever. They came they saw they conquered and no transformation. Of course some are also totally awesome. Agreed.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: Vaj is a fraud. He has no knowledge whatsoever about what he is writing. No knowledge of TM, the TM-Sidhis or the mechanics of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think he says TM is a fraud, just that some aspects of the teaching are very limited and limiting. I agree with Llundrub here. I think that's exactly what Vaj is suggesting. Not that it would be *difficult* to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread kaladevi93
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: Vaj is a fraud. He has no knowledge whatsoever about what he

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread Bhairitu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/28/06 8:54:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes we don't need to reexamine freedom of speech and we need to take back what curbs have put on freedom speech. Anyone knows that freedom of speech and terrorist

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread Vaj
On Nov 29, 2006, at 12:30 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think he says TM is a fraud, just that some aspects of the teaching are very limited and limiting. I agree with Llundrub here. I think that's exactly what Vaj

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Having practiced under numerous yogis I find Vajs comments on real yoga spot on and informed. But this is beyond what most TM people would be able to comprehend, especially TB's like you find here on this site. You

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ wrote: I don't think he says TM is a fraud, just that some aspects of the teaching are very limited and limiting. I agree with Llundrub here. I think

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think he says TM is a fraud, just that some aspects of the teaching are very limited and limiting. He says it's a fraud because it claims *not* to be limited and limiting. However, he obviously doesn't understand

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip It is one thing to dive into spiritual knowledge deeply, learning all of the component parts and their relationship to one another. However

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] George Bush: Graciousness and compassion personified

2006-11-29 Thread authfriend
From The Hill: ...At a private reception held at the White House with newly elected lawmakers shortly after the election, Bush asked Webb how his son, a Marine lance corporal serving in Iraq, was doing. Webb responded that he really wanted to see his son brought back home, said a person who

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread kaladevi93
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ wrote: I don't think he says TM is a fraud, just that some aspects of the teaching are very limited and limiting. He says it's a fraud because it claims

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 11/29/06 11:56:45 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Freedom of speech is not an absolute freedom. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater and you can't slander people. What specifically has Newt proposed as far as curbing freedom of speech? Is he

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying video

2006-11-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 28, 2006, at 10:44 PM, sparaig wrote: Guffaw. TM researchers have never mentioned 'the fourth pranayama in any research or discussion that I have heard. Of course, I notice you neatly snipt the original

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying video

2006-11-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] So where is the research on the fourth done by serious scientists?' Some old research and more modern research on tummo (inner heat) meditation which mastery of requires inner perfection of the fourth pranayama.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread llundrub
Well, then again, if TM was a holistic path not everybody would have left it. - Original Message - From: jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ wrote: I don't think he says TM is a fraud, just that some aspects of the teaching are

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ wrote: I don't think he says TM is a fraud, just that some aspects of the teaching are

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/28/06 8:54:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes we don't need to reexamine freedom of speech and we need to take back what curbs have put on freedom speech. Anyone knows that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread Bhairitu
Indeed. And before I became a teacher I read the Shrimad Bhagavatam (the version sold by Motilal Press) and was advised by the teacher who loaned it to me to be quiet as the TMO didn't like us reading stuff like this. After TTC I also read the Shiva Puranas and some of the Vishnu Puranas.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying video

2006-11-29 Thread Vaj
On Nov 29, 2006, at 2:09 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] So where is the research on the fourth done by serious scientists?' Some old research and more modern research on tummo (inner heat) meditation which mastery of requires

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread Bhairitu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/29/06 11:56:45 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Freedom of speech is not an absolute freedom. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater and you can't slander people. What specifically has Newt proposed as far as

[FairfieldLife] Ancient computer surprises scientists

2006-11-29 Thread authfriend
November 29, 2006 An Ancient Computer Surprises Scientists By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD A computer in antiquity would seem to be an anachronism, like Athena ordering takeout on her cellphone. But a century ago, pieces of a strange mechanism with bronze gears and dials were recovered from an

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 11/28/06 8:54:28 P.M. Central Standard Time, noozguru@ writes: Yes we don't need to reexamine freedom of speech and we need to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 nablusos108@ wrote: Vaj is a fraud. He has no knowledge whatsoever about what he

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ wrote: I don't think he says TM is a fraud, just that some aspects of the teaching

Re: [FairfieldLife] George Bush: Graciousness and compassion personified

2006-11-29 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 11/29/06 12:49:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From The Hill: ...At a private reception held at the White House with newly elected lawmakers shortly after the election, Bush asked Webb how his son, a Marine lance corporal serving in Iraq, was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ wrote: I don't think he says TM is a fraud, just that some aspects of the teaching are

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many TM TBers here. If you think otherwise, you're either blind, stupid or insane. Or, you are so much one yourself that you cannot see the phenomenon you are an integral part of. If you honestly, truly

[FairfieldLife] Vaj is not a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread kaladevi93
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 29, 2006, at 12:30 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ wrote: I don't think he says TM is a fraud, just that some aspects of the teaching are very limited and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread Vaj
On Nov 29, 2006, at 2:20 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Indeed. And before I became a teacher I read the Shrimad Bhagavatam (the version sold by Motilal Press) and was advised by the teacher who loaned it to me to be quiet as the TMO didn't like us reading stuff like this. After TTC I also read the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yogic flying video

2006-11-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 29, 2006, at 2:09 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: [...] So where is the research on the fourth done by serious scientists?' Some old research and more

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, then again, if TM was a holistic path not everybody would have left it. Rather than assume that people have left TM because it is an incomplete or flawed path, I think that possibly people mistook Maharishi's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is not a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Nov 29, 2006, at 12:30 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ wrote: I don't think he says TM is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, then again, if TM was a holistic path not everybody would have left it. Quick. What is Yoga, according to Patanjali? What is Yoga, according to you?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 no_reply@ wrote: There are many TM TBers here. If you think otherwise, you're either blind, stupid or insane. Or, you are so much one yourself that you cannot

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread kaladevi93
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ wrote: I don't think

Re: [FairfieldLife] Vaj is not a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread Vaj
On Nov 29, 2006, at 2:48 PM, kaladevi93 wrote: If I follow what you've been saying over the years, you are simply saying both the Hindu tantric meditation systems and the Buddhist ones both share techniques to perfect the fourth pranayama--a subtle pranayama important for deep meditation

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread kaladevi93
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 no_reply@ wrote: There are many TM TBers here. If you think otherwise, you're either blind, stupid or insane. Or, you are so much one yourself that you cannot see

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You prefer the way it's been done for less than 50 years, he prefers the one that's been done experientially for thousand and thousands of years. One is tried and true and has produced innumerable enlightned

[FairfieldLife] Security Freeze

2006-11-29 Thread suziezuzie
Has anyone here placed a security freeze on thier credit reports to prevent identity theft? If so, has it worked for you? Has it created any inconviences such as having to reverse the freeze when purchasing anything requiring credit reports such as insurance, cell phones, hospital care, etc.?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 no_reply@ wrote: There are many TM TBers here. If you think otherwise, you're either

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 11/29/06 1:29:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Curtailing terrorist websites completely is probably impossible and probably counter- indicated anyway. As long as they get to publish stuff freely, you at least know what they are thinking (or at

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/29/06 1:29:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Curtailing terrorist websites completely is probably impossible and probably counter- indicated anyway. As long as they get to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is not a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 29, 2006, at 2:48 PM, kaladevi93 wrote: If I follow what you've been saying over the years, you are simply saying both the Hindu tantric meditation systems and the Buddhist ones both share techniques to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] Alright. So you're saying that Vaj, who can't furnish any direct reference to the studies he claims exists, is being more clear than moi, who

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It doesn't really matter much whether someone is a TB of TM, or not. If they practice TM and find it effective, why try to get them to try something else? NO ONE is trying to get anyone to do something

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 11/29/06 1:46:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Curtailing terrorist websites completely is probably impossible and probably counter- indicated anyway. As long as they get to publish stuff freely, you at least know what they are thinking (or at

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 11/29/06 1:41:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did you not read that I mentioned the free speech zones? That is a particularly offensive curbing of free speech! Did you not read the article? Newt wants to curb speech on the Internet. Now he

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread llundrub
I've had enough of this name calling. It's sickening. Get the fuck over yourselves. - Original Message - From: authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 12:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud --- In

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is not a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread Vaj
On Nov 29, 2006, at 3:57 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 29, 2006, at 2:48 PM, kaladevi93 wrote: If I follow what you've been saying over the years, you are simply saying both the Hindu tantric meditation systems and the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 11/29/06 3:12:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dunno. Haven't read about the issue. Was just pointing out that censorship of free speech might be counterproductive, even if it is terrorist free speech. I don't know either that's why I asked

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/29/06 1:46:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Curtailing terrorist websites completely is probably impossible and probably counter- indicated anyway. As long as they get to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 no_reply@ wrote: There are many TM TBers here. If you think otherwise, you're either blind, stupid or insane. Or, you are so much one yourself that you cannot see

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread Bhairitu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/29/06 1:46:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Curtailing terrorist websites completely is probably impossible and probably counter- indicated anyway. As long as they get to publish stuff freely, you at

[FairfieldLife] Re: George Bush: Graciousness and compassion personified

2006-11-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/29/06 12:49:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From The Hill: ...At a private reception held at the White House with newly elected lawmakers shortly after the election, Bush

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 no_reply@ wrote: There are many TM TBers here. If you think otherwise, you're either blind,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread Bhairitu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/29/06 1:41:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did you not read that I mentioned the free speech zones? That is a particularly offensive curbing of free speech! Did you not read the article? Newt wants to curb

[FairfieldLife] 'Bush + al-Maliki = No Win Situation?'

2006-11-29 Thread Robert Gimbel
This meeting between these two; Appears to be no win for either side. And both appear terrified to meet with one another R.g. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread Bhairitu
sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/29/06 1:29:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Curtailing terrorist websites completely is probably impossible and probably counter- indicated anyway. As

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Leaves me speechless...

2006-11-29 Thread Bhairitu
authfriend wrote: Follow-up on the Great Peace Sign Flap from today's NYTimes: November 29, 2006 Pro-Peace Symbol Forces Win Battle in Colorado Town By KIRK JOHNSON DENVER, Nov. 28 — Peace is fighting back in Pagosa Springs. Last week, a couple were threatened with fines of $25 a day by

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, kaladevi93 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip Alright. So you're saying that Vaj, who can't furnish any direct reference to the studies he claims exists, is being more clear than moi, who does

[FairfieldLife] Re: George Bush: Graciousness and compassion personified

2006-11-29 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 11/29/06 12:49:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, jstein@ writes: From The Hill: ...At a private reception held at the White

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/29/06 1:46:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Curtailing terrorist websites completely is probably impossible and probably counter- indicated anyway. As long as they get to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The thing some of us are trying to do here is *not* to convince TMers to jump ship. What we're trying to do is point out that the TM stance of being the best is considered by the greater spiritual community as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj is not a fraud

2006-11-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 29, 2006, at 3:57 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Nov 29, 2006, at 2:48 PM, kaladevi93 wrote: If I follow what you've been saying over the years, you are

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Free speech zones, never heard of that. That's where protesters are cordoned off in an area where they can't be seen or heard by the people they're protesting *to*.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/29/06 1:46:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Curtailing terrorist websites completely is probably impossible and probably counter- indicated anyway. As long as they get to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 11/29/06 1:29:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, sparaig@ writes: Curtailing terrorist websites completely is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread authfriend
Here's the section of Gingrich's address that was about free speech, from his own Web site: NEWT GINGRICH: …The third thing I want to talk about very briefly is the genuine danger of terrorism in particular terrorists using weapons of mass destruction and weapons of mass murder, nuclear and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 11/29/06 4:25:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But we are probably (if not already) seeing a problem with ex-military who are mentally disturbed taking jobs in law enforcement and being dangerous in such authority Probably? Is that the best

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: George Bush: Graciousness and compassion personified

2006-11-29 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 11/29/06 4:21:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was thoughtful of Bush to recognize Lance Corporal Webb's service towards his father. Of course Webb could have said He's doing fine or he wants to come home So I want him to come home is a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 11/29/06 4:42:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Driving terrorist underground, unable to communicate openly and glorify their activities would make it harder for them to recruit new terrorists and preach their message to impressionable minds.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 11/29/06 4:30:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The article was short so it won't tax anyone's attention span. “different set of rules” may be needed to reduce the terrorists’ ability to use the Internet to recruit and communicate. We need to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gingrich wants to curb free speech

2006-11-29 Thread Bhairitu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/29/06 4:25:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But we are probably (if not already) seeing a problem with ex-military who are mentally disturbed taking jobs in law enforcement and being dangerous in such authority

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