[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> 
> You will never be satisfied with my answers. I wish you all the best.

Thats because you make wild unsubstantiated claims, and try to back
them up with mere dogma. While it has nothing to do with my
satisfaction, it has all to do with the validity of your claims. Which
by your own responses is not-existant. 

I wish you the best of luck in reconciling your world of dogma and
delusion with Reality which will inevitably rear its lovely head.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > 

--- Anonymousff wrote:
To sing-song that all religious and spiritual traditions 
> essentially have a shankarian non-dualistic advaitist view is silly
and  shallow.

> I said that the end result of all of these religious and spiritual
traditions is the same. Else they are not worth the paper their
scriptures are written on. 

The same place as your "enlightenement tradition, which you have
proclaimned as TMO plus some introspection, the former being a
simplified shankarian non-dualistic advaitist view. You don't even
know the names from which stem your own dogma, yet you expect us to
believe your claims that all religions and spiritual traditions end in
the same place! How astonishing!

Again, the original question: on what basis do you make such claims?
Widhful feel-good fantasy and dogma appears to be your main sources,
not scholarship, not practice of other traditions, not talking to the
"accomplished" in many other traditions.

 
> They come from the same source. They return us to the same source. 

Nice dogma but on what basis can you make such statements? None of
substance it appears or else you would have stated it already instead
of repeatedly spouting dogma echoing in the hollow of your mind.


> That is what I said. And I wouldn't know a 'shankarian non-dualistic 
> advaitist view' if it walked up and bit me.

Or knowledge of any other tradition apparently. Yet you KNOW they end
in the same place. Hasn't the discordance begun to settle in yet? Or
is it sll just a blissful fantasy dream land still for you?









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > >  Oddly enough, once enlightenment blossoms, all of the ways of 
> all
> > > > of the spiritual traditions become accessible,
> > > 
> > > snip 
> > > 
> > > so that we gain a much 
> > > > > > stronger intuitive appreciation of all of the traditions, 
> and 
> > > can 
> > > > > > enjoy them as we wish.
> > > 
> > > I'm feeling better already.
> > > 
> > > lurk> > 
> > 
> > Yes, dogmatic fantasies are so uplifting, and SUCH a joy!.
> 
> I disagree.
> > 
> > Ask Jim to access Rinzai & Obaku sects and tell you of his access 
> of
> > their their practices and his direct experience of what they 
> decribe
> > as higher states and how its joyously all the same as his own 
> personal
> > experience.
> 
> If you explain carefully what they are, I'll give you my opinion.

hahaha. you are the one claiming enlightenment. And the one claiming
"once enlightenment blossoms, all of the ways of all of the spiritual
traditions become accessible"

So if they are accessable to you why are you asking me. You tell us,
in your "accessibility mode" how their view and experience of higher
states is the same as your non-dual advaitist TMO  simplified view and
experience of enlightenment.

 
> > Its so blissful.
> Really? 

a favorite mocking phrase of an early TMer, mid 1960's, a social
aquaintance of mine who later became US ambassador to a number of
small but semi important countries, who was aghast even back then at
"bliss ninnies" running amock in the TMO.


 
> > Even the delusions are Brahman.
> Who's delusions?

hahah, well, not Brahman's.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > enlightenment does not adhere 
> > > > > to ANY tradition. It is what it is. Period.
> > > > 
> > > > I've been given to understand that enlightenment 
> > > > changes quite a bit from one spiritual tradition to 
> > > > another. I'm told, for instance, that Buddhists 
> > > > disagree with Hindus on key points, and when 
> > > > their adherents attain end states they call awakening 
> > > > or enlightenment, the attainees describe their 
> > > > experiences differently from one another but 
> > > > consistent with their traditions.
> > > > 
> > > > Native Americans have no such states in their 
> > > > traditions, suggesting enlightenment is not 
> > > > something that all traditions recognize.
> > > > 
> > > > View determines fruit, as Vaj quoted a master 
> > > > as saying. Or as Dana Sawyer says, precept 
> > > > determines percept.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm not sure if I'm disagreeeing with you here, Jim. 
> > > > I don't know enough about either side of the discussion. 
> > > > I'm simply expressing some cognitive dissonance with 
> > > > the statement that enlightenment does not adhere to 
> > > > any tradition.
> > > >
> > > Uh-oh, I see another Paradox! Just ample warning for those that 
> wish 
> > > to read no further...
> > > 
> > > Spiritual traditions are all useful, and thank God there are a 
> lot 
> > > of them, to serve us all in such diversity. 
> > > 
> > > What I meant by my remark was that once enlightenment is 
> reached, 
> > > the spiritual tradition we have followed loses its uniqueness, 
> and 
> > > in some ways much of its value; an enlightened Buddhist shares 
> the 
> > > same view as an enlightened Hindu or Sufi or whatever. 
> > 
> > Says who? Your intuition? Precisely which enlightened Buddhists,
> > Hindus and Sufis did you talk to regarding this. Or are you just
> > spouting off platitudes that sound good.
> > 
> I looked up platitude: 

sorry you had to look it up. A comment on American education.


> a banal, trite, or stale remark. Anyone that 
> knows me personally knows that I am just about anti-platitude. 

I only know you from your writing and the above is surely not clear
from that vantage.

> What 
> is the value of spouting off platitudes? as they are from memory, 
> exactly as you describe; to make one feel good. 
> 
> But the difference is they are mood-making. I already expressed 
> myself regarding mood-making. 

Again, not reflected in the logic and content of your actual writing. 

> You also asked, 'says who'? Good 
> question. Do you have an answer?

Well you said it "an enlightened Buddhist shares the same view as an
enlightened Hindu or Sufi or whatever."  Apparrently with no
substantiation. Which is my point. You are spouting dogma you heard.
Wake up and do some research and process your own thoughts. 


> > > Oddly enough, once enlightenment blossoms, all of the ways of 
> all of 
> > > the spiritual traditions become accessible, 
> > 
> > And you are quite familiar with all the ways of all the spiritual
> > traditions? Again, it sounds like feel-good platitudes, nothing
> > actually based on studying such traditions and talking to their
> > proponents. Tell us about the aghori and nath practices you have
> > accessed since becoming self-proclaimed enlightened?
> > 
> > > so that we gain a much 
> > > stronger intuitive appreciation of all of the traditions, and 
> can enjoy them as we wish.
> > 
> > Sounds like a MUM first year student doing sing-song.
> >
> Oh well. Perhaps you can say it better? I try mightily to write 
> well, and sometimes I fail.

First, I would, and have, reounced dogma echoing in my mind. That is a
vow you appear to not have yet taken. And when it appears in my mind I
ask "do I really know if this is true". Usually, I can't say that I
do. So I do some research. On the matter of equal views of
enlightenment by Hindus, Christians, Moslems, Sufis, Buddhists,
Shaman, first I have come to recognize a huge diversity of opinion and
experience even within each of these traditions. And greater diversity
among these grand traditions.

To sing-song that all religio

[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> > > 
>  Oddly enough, once enlightenment blossoms, all of the ways of all
> > of the spiritual traditions become accessible,
> 
> snip 
> 
> so that we gain a much 
> > > > stronger intuitive appreciation of all of the traditions, and 
> can 
> > > > enjoy them as we wish.
> 
> I'm feeling better already.
> 
> lurk> > 

Yes, dogmatic fantasies are so uplifting, and SUCH a joy!.

Ask Jim to access Rinzai & Obaku sects and tell you of his access of
their their practices and his direct experience of what they decribe
as higher states and how its joyously all the same as his own personal
experience.  Its so blissful. Even the delusions are Brahman.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- jim_flanegin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > enlightenment does not adhere 
> > > > to ANY tradition. It is what it is. Period.
> > > 
> > > I've been given to understand that enlightenment 
> > > changes quite a bit from one spiritual tradition to 
> > > another. I'm told, for instance, that Buddhists 
> > > disagree with Hindus on key points, and when 
> > > their adherents attain end states they call awakening 
> > > or enlightenment, the attainees describe their 
> > > experiences differently from one another but 
> > > consistent with their traditions.
> > > 
> > > Native Americans have no such states in their 
> > > traditions, suggesting enlightenment is not 
> > > something that all traditions recognize.
> > > 
> > > View determines fruit, as Vaj quoted a master 
> > > as saying. Or as Dana Sawyer says, precept 
> > > determines percept.
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure if I'm disagreeeing with you here, Jim. 
> > > I don't know enough about either side of the discussion. 
> > > I'm simply expressing some cognitive dissonance with 
> > > the statement that enlightenment does not adhere to 
> > > any tradition.
> > >
> > Uh-oh, I see another Paradox! Just ample warning for those that wish 
> > to read no further...
> > 
> > Spiritual traditions are all useful, and thank God there are a lot 
> > of them, to serve us all in such diversity. 
> > 
> > What I meant by my remark was that once enlightenment is reached, 
> > the spiritual tradition we have followed loses its uniqueness, and 
> > in some ways much of its value; an enlightened Buddhist shares the 
> > same view as an enlightened Hindu or Sufi or whatever. 


When I was a TM teacher, and for a few years after that, I said the
same thing. Then I asked, "Do I really know what I am talking about
here, or am I just parroting unsubstantiated dogma I have heard?" I
quickly realized it was the latter. With some reading and reaserch,
talking to others, I found there are quite large differences in views
of different traditions and religions -- and representative saint's
reports of states theyhave obtained.  But I am not a scholar. Most
scholars I have read or talked to, who devote their lives to the
topic, find differences not sameness. 

Parroting dogma is a mental handicap. It can be overcome.


> 
> Says who? Your intuition? Precisely which enlightened Buddhists,
> Hindus and Sufis did you talk to regarding this. Or are you just
> spouting off platitudes that sound good.
> 
>  
> > Oddly enough, once enlightenment blossoms, all of the ways of all
of the spiritual traditions become accessible, 
> 
> And you are quite familiar with all the ways of all the spiritual
> traditions? Again, it sounds like feel-good platitudes, nothing
> actually based on studying such traditions and talking to their
> proponents. Tell us about the aghori and nath practices you have
> accessed since becoming self-proclaimed enlightened?
> 
> > so that we gain a much 
> > stronger intuitive appreciation of all of the traditions, and can 
> > enjoy them as we wish.
> 
> Sounds like a MUM first year student doing sing-song.

Yup, reading right off some big colorful chart.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy and TorquiseB

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > > Tom T:
> > > OK folks I thought you were both going on the wagon. This 
> addictive
> > > relationship is pretty toxic for us as well as you. Where is the 
> need
> > > to continue based? What is the pay off you both get out of 
> throwing
> > > brick bats? This too is your wholeness. Embrace the others 
> position
> > > and practice what you say you are here for-spirituality. Love 
> you both
> > > Tom T
> > 
> > And their banter irritates you, why?
> 
> snip
> 
> Because there was a respite, a very pleasant respite, and now we're 
> back in the same pattern, the never ending, never ending pattern.
> 
> lurk


Feel the sensation that arises in the body when you get that
irritation. Breath through it. Feel the wholeness Luke.

I find their banter delightfully refreshing. Sort of like abbott and
costello. Or Laurel and Hardy. Martin and Dean. Perhaps Rocky and
Bullwinkle.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- jim_flanegin wrote:
> > >
> > > enlightenment does not adhere 
> > > to ANY tradition. It is what it is. Period.
> > 
> > I've been given to understand that enlightenment 
> > changes quite a bit from one spiritual tradition to 
> > another. I'm told, for instance, that Buddhists 
> > disagree with Hindus on key points, and when 
> > their adherents attain end states they call awakening 
> > or enlightenment, the attainees describe their 
> > experiences differently from one another but 
> > consistent with their traditions.
> > 
> > Native Americans have no such states in their 
> > traditions, suggesting enlightenment is not 
> > something that all traditions recognize.
> > 
> > View determines fruit, as Vaj quoted a master 
> > as saying. Or as Dana Sawyer says, precept 
> > determines percept.
> > 
> > I'm not sure if I'm disagreeeing with you here, Jim. 
> > I don't know enough about either side of the discussion. 
> > I'm simply expressing some cognitive dissonance with 
> > the statement that enlightenment does not adhere to 
> > any tradition.
> >
> Uh-oh, I see another Paradox! Just ample warning for those that wish 
> to read no further...
> 
> Spiritual traditions are all useful, and thank God there are a lot 
> of them, to serve us all in such diversity. 
> 
> What I meant by my remark was that once enlightenment is reached, 
> the spiritual tradition we have followed loses its uniqueness, and 
> in some ways much of its value; an enlightened Buddhist shares the 
> same view as an enlightened Hindu or Sufi or whatever. 

Says who? Your intuition? Precisely which enlightened Buddhists,
Hindus and Sufis did you talk to regarding this. Or are you just
spouting off platitudes that sound good.

 
> Oddly enough, once enlightenment blossoms, all of the ways of all of 
> the spiritual traditions become accessible, 

And you are quite familiar with all the ways of all the spiritual
traditions? Again, it sounds like feel-good platitudes, nothing
actually based on studying such traditions and talking to their
proponents. Tell us about the aghori and nath practices you have
accessed since becoming self-proclaimed enlightened?

> so that we gain a much 
> stronger intuitive appreciation of all of the traditions, and can 
> enjoy them as we wish.

Sounds like a MUM first year student doing sing-song.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies to Dr. Sutphen - spelling error

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I also like to be garlanded with bija mantras:
> 
> Om Shrim Klim,Hrim,Gum Dr. PLS.. 

Do you mandate that of your patients, or simply make it optional?

(Do you charge the ones that don't garland your name an extra $20 / hr?)


Your parents missed naming you Dr. PMS by one letter. Though I guess
the upside would be you would have have a swelling clientele. 

But I am glad it didn't happen. Otherwise, Barry or others would
probably be labeling you "the bitch doctor", with glee. Though of
course I would find such remarks repugnant.






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> > Thanks. I have also referred to you as Dr. PS. I
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> > comfortable moniker for you.
> > 
> > But, I do pray to God that your middle inital is not
> > M.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I have been quoting you as Dr. Stuphen. Sorry, I
> > > > should have checked
> > > > the spelling before citing you -- in what I
> > think is
> > > > a great quote.
> > > > ("cant deconstruct others experiences"
> > > 
> > > A common mistake. You should see how my students
> > spell
> > > my name. The best was, "Tufin"!!!
> > 
> > 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: COB and F-land?

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> By now, TurquoiseB, you must have switched to making
> cracks about Belgians.
> 
> The lowdown on Conan and Finland:
> 
> http://www.crikey.com.au/articles/2005/10/18-1422-3489.html
> 
> --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > Conan O'Brien must have lived in (Sweden-)Finland
> > in
> > > some previous lifetime. Otherwise his "obsession"
> > with
> > > Finland is unconceivable! 
> > > (Finland was a part of Sweden for several hundred
> > years
> > > up to 1809.)
> > 
> > And then what? The Swedes came to their senses
> > and gave the land away to whoever would take it? 
> > :-)
> > 
> > Just joking, really. I once had a wife of Swedish
> > descent, and she filled me in on many of the 
> > in-jokes the Swedes have about their Scandinavian
> > neighbors, and vice-versa. The only one I can 
> > remember is, "Twenty Swedes ran through the weeds,
> > chased by one Norwegian."  :-)
> > 


Some Norwegian friends, 10th Mountain Divison types, after drinking
too much Aquavit, would make fun of Fins for being gloomy and drinking
way too much vodka.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy and TorquiseB

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I'm just doing what he recommended, embracing my
> assholiness.  

I know this an Adult group, but that image seems a bit raw. 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- TurquoiseB wrote:
> >
> > Gillam wrote:
> > 
> > > View determines fruit, as Vaj quoted a master 
> > > as saying. Or as Dana Sawyer says, precept 
> > > determines percept.
> > 
> > I have to agree. That which one expects seems to
> > color awakening into the unexpected. The experience
> > it what it is, but when it comes to describing or
> > interpreting it, one's previously-established 
> > view (carried over from and structured in ignorance)
> > seems to become the default.
> 
> That said, I don't much hear Jim and Tom and Peter 
> and such lot talking in Maharishi's idioms. For example,  
> this whole notion of losing a personal self was totally  
> absent from any understanding I ever had of the Science 
>  of Creative Intelligence. 

Yes, their languange and conceptual frameworks appear to be directly
out the books they read and satsangs they attended (off the program
??), such as Ramana, Papaji, etc .. and a good dash of new-agism. 

Of course Rory, a former book store owner, read far more bboks so look
for more varied concepts and language. And charter Theopsophy book
club member. 
  

> 
> So it's the same old story - on the one hand,
> on the other hand. Jaimini cricket.
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- jim_flanegin wrote:
> > >
> > > enlightenment does not adhere 
> > > to ANY tradition. It is what it is. Period.
> > 
> > I've been given to understand that enlightenment 
> > changes quite a bit from one spiritual tradition to 
> > another. I'm told, for instance, that Buddhists 
> > disagree with Hindus on key points, and when 
> > their adherents attain end states they call awakening 
> > or enlightenment, the attainees describe their 
> > experiences differently from one another but 
> > consistent with their traditions.

Even amongs Hindus. Non-dual and dualist advaita traditions.
Vaishnavas -- tending to always have some distinction between
themselves and Godhead -- even in the attainment of the highest lokas,
vs. non-dualist shaivites. 

And Buddists are hardly one school. Theravada, Mahayana, Tibetian. And
great differences in schools of understanding and views even within
these great rivers of buddhism.

And Islam. Shunni, Shi-ite, Sufi?

And the jains. And the farsi zoriasterists of bombay. 

And so many christian sects and understandings of "perfection".

How many extinct traditions over the last 10,000 or more years. Far
more than exist today, I would venture.

To say that all enlightenement tradions are the same must be from
someone with their head in the sand. (or other places the sun don't
shine.)


> 
> That is my experience as well. It's as if the myth
> of enlightenment that members of a tradition grew
> up with becomes by default the language they use
> to express the inexpressible.
> 
> > Native Americans have no such states in their 
> > traditions, suggesting enlightenment is not 
> > something that all traditions recognize.
> 
> I have spent time with Yaqui shamans and read a 
> bit of Native American traditions, and I have to
> agree with you. The quest for power, yes. The 
> quest for altered states of consciousness, yes.
> The quest for an impeccable life, yes. But it's 
> tough to find an analogue for enlightenment as 
> we know it from Eastern traditions.
> 
> > View determines fruit, as Vaj quoted a master 
> > as saying. Or as Dana Sawyer says, precept 
> > determines percept.
> 
> I have to agree. That which one expects seems to
> color awakening into the unexpected. The experience
> it what it is, but when it comes to describing or
> interpreting it, one's previously-established 
> view (carried over from and structured in ignorance)
> seems to become the default.
>  
> > I'm not sure if I'm disagreeeing with you here, Jim. 
> > I don't know enough about either side of the discussion. 
> > I'm simply expressing some cognitive dissonance with 
> > the statement that enlightenment does not adhere to 
> > any tradition.
> 
> I don't feel any cognitive dissonance, but that
> may be because I've had occasional flashes of 
> enlightened states, *and* I've had decades of
> indoctrination into trying to anticipate and
> explain such experiences. The anticipation was
> fruitless; I was waiting for what was already
> present. And all of the explanations fell flat,
> because they didn't do justice to the experience.
> Close, but no cigar.
> 
> Still, when you're discussing cigars, you need a
> language to express the differences between a 
> true Havana and a cheap Baltimore Stogie. Even
> though *no one* you speak to will ever under-
> stand the difference until they've fired up 
> both. :-)
>






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Christ All Mighty

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"  > The writer looking out through
> > these eyes is that Brahman.
> > 
> > Speak for yourself Tom, not for me, your pal Braaahmaan. 
> > 
> > I grant you authority to speak of your own experiences. And your own
> > interpretation of your own experiences. No other licenses granted.
> > 
> > Your claiming to speak for Braaahmaan is like Jerry Farwell claiming
> > to speak for Christ and his pervading Consciousness.
> > 
> > In Wholeness,
> > 
> > B.
> >
> Is Braahmaan Brahman's goat?


Perhaps Card can intervene with his insights. It appears to me that
Braaahmaan phonetically is a fuller, deeper and richer expression of
Wholeness than Brahman. 

Perhaps Tom is only speaking for Brahman level 1, and not Braaahmaan
level 9.













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[FairfieldLife] Re: Christ All Mighty

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"  > The writer looking out through
> > these eyes is that Brahman.
> > 
> > Speak for yourself Tom, not for me, your pal Braaahmaan. 
> > 
> > I grant you authority to speak of your own experiences. And your own
> > interpretation of your own experiences. No other licenses granted.
> > 
> > Your claiming to speak for Braaahmaan is like Jerry Farwell claiming
> > to speak for Christ and his pervading Consciousness.
> > 
> > In Wholeness,
> > 
> > B.
> >
> Is Braahmaan Brahman's goat?

Why, are you trying to get Brahman's goat?








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[FairfieldLife] Re: question about Maharishi's brothers, for Paul Mason or others

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>
> Maharishi's Brother is said to be 97,
> alive and kicking. He was recently seen
> this past Oct 12th on victory day on the
> broadcast from the globalcountry of World
> peace. He told a friend privately that there
> is a tradition in India not to talk about a
> saints life- just aspire to be like him yourself.

MMY said the same thing of SBS. That a saints life is not in the
details. That taking a new name and all signifies the death of the
prior life. And even the details as a "swami" or monk, or teacher are
insignificant. Its the breath of Pervading Silence (or some such
allusion) is all that matters. 

Same or similar point made in aother post about the false claim that
one can never understand Maharishi. Its the "Pervading Silence" in his
life that matters. The details, which are simply spinoffs of old
karmas and the residue of samskaric imprints are unimportant. Even if
they seem odd. 

That some view that some saints have odd karma and samksaric residue
as odd, is to me quite odd. The universe and the span of time are
large. Strange things can happen in this thing we call "lives".





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[FairfieldLife] Re: question about Maharishi's brothers, for Paul Mason or others

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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> FFL is wasted by all the eternal bullshit
> between people exemplified by the thread 
> following my original posted question.

Yes, the exchange this morning appeared even more bizzare than usual.
It reminded me of the scene in "Four Weddings and a Funeral" where
Hugh Grant is seated at the wedding dinner next to a dogey old man
clearly not quite all there. The old man makes some diparaging remark
about Hugh, seen by the old man as the old mans brother. Hugh, a bit
perplexed and flushed says, "but pardon me sir, I am not your
brother."  the old man stares ice at him and in highly distilled,
quiet rage, grits out, "Are you telling me I don't know my own brother?"







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy and TorquiseB

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> 
> Tom T:
> OK folks I thought you were both going on the wagon. This addictive
> relationship is pretty toxic for us as well as you. Where is the need
> to continue based? What is the pay off you both get out of throwing
> brick bats? This too is your wholeness. Embrace the others position
> and practice what you say you are here for-spirituality. Love you both
> Tom T

And their banter irritates you, why? Do you sense some feeling in your
body when you read their, often delightful, banter? Some say breathing
through that feeling can help. It can bring more wholness to your life.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies to Dr. Sutphen - spelling error

[anonymousff]

Thanks. I have also referred to you as Dr. PS. I hope that is a
comfortable moniker for you.

But, I do pray to God that your middle inital is not M.



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> 
> 
> --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I have been quoting you as Dr. Stuphen. Sorry, I
> > should have checked
> > the spelling before citing you -- in what I think is
> > a great quote.
> > ("cant deconstruct others experiences"
> 
> A common mistake. You should see how my students spell
> my name. The best was, "Tufin"!!!







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

[anonymousff]

> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 

"his enlightenment eludes him" 

A sign of great writing is you can read it over several times and find
great new gems.

Jim, I admire your enlightenment tradition, what ever it is, for such
unique view of enlightenment, distinct from any other enlightenemnt
tradition I have encountered.

In fours short words, its almost aphorismic, to both assign
posseionship of enlightenment to an individual "his enlightenment" and
the implication that it is an individual who is enlightened,
"enlightenment eludes him" is in such stark contrast to other
traditions, I have to stand up and cheer that you are revealing some
new yet uncovered, distinct description of the multi-cultural vast
diversity in the use of the term enlightenemnt.  It certainly supports
the thesis that many different cultures and traditions  experience
many different things that they paradoxically all call the same thing
"enlightenement".

While being  steeped in your enlightenment tradtion, you may, or may
not, be aware of how other traditions use the same term -- but with
clearly a vastly different experience attached. For example many
eastern traditions hold that possessionship of an enlightened status
makes no sense whatso ever. The phrase would never enter their lexicon
because (they claim) that is not the experience. In their world, there
is no possessor, no experiencer, just the commonality of all existence
that pervades ones awareness. 

And they go on to hold, that an individual never becomes enlightened.
Thus enlightenment "eluding an individual" again would be non-sensical
to these classical eastern traditions. It is the commonality of all
existence that awakens unto itself. It has nothng to do with the
individual. Some such traditions even hold that any sense of
individuality is an illusion. 

So keep up the good work in reporting these utterly unique
descriptions of the term enlightenemnt, from your enlightenment
tradition, and the correspondng implied experiences that are so
utterly different and unique compared to classical enlightenment
traditions. 

By the way, what is your enlightenment tradition?









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[FairfieldLife] Apologies to Dr. Sutphen - spelling error

[anonymousff]

I have been quoting you as Dr. Stuphen. Sorry, I should have checked
the spelling before citing you -- in what I think is a great quote.
("cant deconstruct others experiences"

I found my spelling error in doing a google search of you to see whcih
university you teach at. Even Google appears to know its Sutphen, not
Stuphen. 

You have alluded to teaching classes. I didn't see you as professor or
adjunct faculty at any florida university or colege. Is this an
oversight on the colleges part?

Nor any listing in professional psychogist associations. Or even a
listing of a practice.

I checked vet schools, but no listing there either, so Mr Paul is
apparently mistaken in that assumption. 

One post claimed you were a practicioner of "experimental psychology"
not counseling or clinical psychology? Is this correct?

Certainly its not mandatory that you post your professional
qualifications. But you cite them as a basis of your expertise at
times. As did I just recently ("most knowledgable on this board in
these matters".) So any professional cites or descriptions would be of
interest, if you don't mind sharing.

  





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

[anonymousff]

> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > He is just pissed off and frustrated in general that his 
> > > enlightenment eludes him, and chooses to take it out on anyone
who brings up the topic. I can relate, and I'm sure you can too, Peter. 
> > > Before such a breakthrough is a lot of frustration for something
so tantalizingly close and yet apparently unreachable.

The imputing of others motives, the deconstruction of others'
experiences is getting fascinating on this board. Like a soap opera of
vindictiveness. Even though Dr. Stuphen, apparently the most educated
on this board in these matters, says that is impossible to do
correctly. Yet, ignoring such wise counsel,  some still seem obsessed
with doing so. 

A more subtle thing appears to present itself. The enlightenment
story. Some appear to claim it as a means to differentiate themselves
from others. So many tribes, races, religions, creeds, nations and
movements  have done this in the past and present. I am in (arbitrry)
Circle A  and you are not. You are not one of us. We are special. 

Who knows if this is what is going on in Jim's mind, but there appears
to be a pattern of such in any number of posters. Just an observation.

If this pattern does exist, it seems strange to me. While I personaly
think enlightement is a bogus and misused label, it appears that
adherents (worshipers to such label idols?)  proclaim "oneness amongst
us all". Yet an apparent (observable) tendency to differentiate "us
from them". All facilitated by "the enlightenment story". And other tools.

While I am not sayng walking the talk is a sign of so called
enlightenment (btw, please at least first define your enlightenment
tradition if you are going to use the term), not walking ones talk
would seem a weak sign of so called enlightenment.   But then again,
"Enlightenment is a Big Red Popsicle!", so anything goes.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

[anonymousff]

Its also entirely possible that some people simply are not pissed off.
Or even frustrated. But for Jim perhaps, its a strange unbelievable
phenomenon, not having experienced it apparently.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> 
> > He is just pissed off and frustrated in general that his 
> > enlightenment eludes him, and chooses to take it out on anyone who 
> > brings up the topic. I can relate, and I'm sure you can too, Peter. 
> > Before such a breakthrough is a lot of frustration for something so 
> > tantalizingly close and yet apparently unreachable.
> 
> You know, Jim, it's entirely possible to be pissed off
> and frustrated with what presumably awakened people say
> about enlightenment *without* also being frustrated and
> pissed off that one has not yet achieved it oneself.
> 
> Until one is enlightened, what the presumably awakened
> say about it is confusing, by the very nature of the
> beast.  But frustration on the part of the ignorant with
> that confusion may not be the same as frustration that
> they are not yet enlightened.
> 
> 
> > Btw, did you catch Vaj's reference about offlist discussions with 
> > Akasha on demonic possession? Well, I guess 'the devil is in the 
> > details', as they say...
> 
> Vaj is fond of mentioning his offlist discussions in his
> public posts.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cultism and Free Seekers

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

--- Anonymousff wrote:
> > If on the otherhand, you beleive Dr. Stuphens points are wrong and 
> you
> > are making universal claims about all others' experiences, then the
> > follow-up post to this on "Cultism and Free Seekers" has more
> > importance. It would confirm my worst, though barely ever  dwelt on
> > fears about you Tom, that if holding such a position, you would be 
> a
> > cultist carving out your own creed with an absolutist sense of
> > universal Truth  for all, based solely on your own personal 
> experience
> > (as grand as that may be.)


> Careful or you will succeed only in tying yourself into a 
> pretzel.

I WISH. I wish I could get into some of the pretzal asana poses I used
to, in my teens and twenties. Oh well, the Wheel of Time moves on. 

But thanks for the good wishes.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- jim_flanegin wrote:
> >
> > enlightenment does not adhere 
> > to ANY tradition. It is what it is. Period.

And your detailed study of enlightenment traditions include which
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Perhaps I am too prone to the poetic. I thought "Its
> > > a
> > > HOLLOWED OUT, CRYSTALINE matrix, a unique
> > > TRANSPARENT tapestry woven
> > > from the RESIDUE of thousands of lives, ..." made
> > > the "empty shell"
> > > idea of roasted smaskaras clear. Perhaps its an
> > > experiential difference.
> >
> > What the f**k are you talking about, Grasshopper?
> >
> 
> Apparently nothing you can relate to.
> 
> Perhaps its not in your experience, but with time and grace, there is
> a sense that the body, mind, intellect and all become HOLLOW and
> empty. They appear to become more TRANSPARENT, as if CRYSTALINE. Their
> functioning seems, as a poetic metaphor, like a RESIDUE -- though its
> a complex pattern like a TAPESTRY. 
> 
> This appears to happen as those knots within our soul (another poetic
> phrase) loosen and unravel. Like a know in a rope, when it is untied,
> it does not exist, But what is left is some small creasing of the
> rope. As knots unravel, there is that growing sense of being HOLLOW
> AND EMPTY. But the crease from the past knots causee enough "dust"
> to form on the otherwise transparent Crystaline form or body, mind
> intellect and all that remains. The dust creates some defraction of
> both Effulgence and the light of everyday life events. This light
> defraction (again a poetic metaphor) gives the appearance of the
> former mundane earthy body, mind and intellect, though its is just a
> mirage.
> 
> Those knots, in classical literature, are called samskaras. 
> 
> I hope this helps.


-


With the poetic allusions clarified, perhaps the original post makes
more sense to those prone to literal readings.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/81889

"Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever." DR. PS


Who / what is Maharishi? The same as we all experience in or out of
meditation. Effulgence, for want of a better inadequate label or name.

What is the personality, mind, intellect of Maharishi? Its a hallowed
out, crystaline matrix, a unique transparent tapestry woven from the
residue of thousands of lives, training, teachers, culturing, habits,
experiences, karmas, sadhanas, tapas, sacrafices, blunders, deaths,
births, brothers, sisters, pets, hunger, sex, wives, children, wars,
peace, oppulence, wandering, seclusion, fame, poverty, shame, dharma,
joy, sadness, dispair and elation.

What does this tapestry have to do with the Effulgent? Nothing. Other
than being a vessel for the Effulgent to flow through. As all vessels,
you and me, are.

So there is Effulgence, and there is a personality. One of billions of
personalities cultured over the eons. That a particular personality
has quirks, is odd, misbehaves sometimes -- like Dr. Strangelove's arm
trying to chock him -- its all reaction. Reaction of that tapestry,
with all its quirky embedded designs, with the day to day ticking of
LIFE and experience as presented, while EFFULGENCE flows through it all.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: COB and F-land?

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> 
> Conan O'Brien must have lived in (Sweden-)Finland in
> some previous lifetime. Otherwise his "obsession" with
> Finland is unconceivable! 
> (Finland was a part of Sweden for several hundred years
> up to 1809.)


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > Perhaps I am too prone to the poetic. I thought "Its
> > a
> > HOLLOWED OUT, CRYSTALINE matrix, a unique
> > TRANSPARENT tapestry woven
> > from the RESIDUE of thousands of lives, ..." made
> > the "empty shell"
> > idea of roasted smaskaras clear. Perhaps its an
> > experiential difference.
>
> What the f**k are you talking about, Grasshopper?
>

Apparently nothing you can relate to.

Perhaps its not in your experience, but with time and grace, there is
a sense that the body, mind, intellect and all become HOLLOW and
empty. They appear to become more TRANSPARENT, as if CRYSTALINE. Their
functioning seems, as a poetic metaphor, like a RESIDUE -- though its
a complex pattern like a TAPESTRY. 

This appears to happen as those knots within our soul (another poetic
phrase) loosen and unravel. Like a know in a rope, when it is untied,
it does not exist, But what is left is some small creasing of the
rope. As knots unravel, there is that growing sense of being HOLLOW
AND EMPTY. But the crease from the past knots causee enough "dust"
to form on the otherwise transparent Crystaline form or body, mind
intellect and all that remains. The dust creates some defraction of
both Effulgence and the light of everyday life events. This light
defraction (again a poetic metaphor) gives the appearance of the
former mundane earthy body, mind and intellect, though its is just a
mirage.

Those knots, in classical literature, are called samskaras. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

[anonymousff]

Its sort of sad people are so vested in explaining other people's
motives and experiences. I suggest you take the words of a wise man to
heart.

=
All valid observations and insights that you need to
temper your own experience with, not deconstruct the
validity of another's experience. You can only talk
about what you experience, not another. And certainly
don't expect social consensus with someone like MMY.
Your mind is never going to get him. Never, ever.
Amen. DR PS

==



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Perhaps I am too prone to the poetic. I thought "Its
> > > a
> > > HOLLOWED OUT, CRYSTALINE matrix, a unique
> > > TRANSPARENT tapestry woven
> > > from the RESIDUE of thousands of lives, ..." made
> > > the "empty shell"
> > > idea of roasted smaskaras clear. Perhaps its an
> > > experiential difference.
> > 
> > What the f**k are you talking about, Grasshopper? 
> > 
> If I may, anon or Akasha's, and Vaj's insistence on keeping 
> discussions of enlightenment both intellectually consistent, 
> available to Socratic method, and in Vaj's case, adhering to some as 
> yet unnamed tradition, are expressed in the emotion of 'the seeker's 
> burn'. It is not hostility per se in Akasha's case directed at 
> anyone in particular. 
> 
> He is just pissed off and frustrated in general that his 
> enlightenment eludes him, and chooses to take it out on anyone who 
> brings up the topic. I can relate, and I'm sure you can too, Peter. 
> Before such a breakthrough is a lot of frustration for something so 
> tantalizingly close and yet apparently unreachable.
> 
> Akasha chooses to take refuge in his intellect, to explain away much 
> of what you and I and Tom (and Rory, when he was posting) say as 
> inconsistent with his head trip of 'enlightenment'. 
> 
> As for Vaj, he has studied much about enlightenment, and again is 
> full of 'Thou shalt' and 'Thou shalt not' stuff from various 
> teachers. He doesn't understand that enlightenment does not adhere 
> to ANY tradition. It is what it is. Period.
> 
> Btw, did you catch Vaj's reference about offlist discussions with 
> Akasha on demonic possession? Well, I guess 'the devil is in the 
> details', as they say...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > Perhaps I am too prone to the poetic. I thought "Its
> > a
> > HOLLOWED OUT, CRYSTALINE matrix, a unique
> > TRANSPARENT tapestry woven
> > from the RESIDUE of thousands of lives, ..." made
> > the "empty shell"
> > idea of roasted smaskaras clear. Perhaps its an
> > experiential difference.
>
> What the f**k are you talking about, Grasshopper?
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Perhaps I am too prone to the poetic. I thought "Its
> > a
> > HOLLOWED OUT, CRYSTALINE matrix, a unique
> > TRANSPARENT tapestry woven
> > from the RESIDUE of thousands of lives, ..." made
> > the "empty shell"
> > idea of roasted smaskaras clear. Perhaps its an
> > experiential difference.
> 
> What the f**k are you talking about, Grasshopper? 
> 

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[FairfieldLife] Cultism and Free Seekers

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" 

> The young lady in question said it was her
> experience that her mind was never going to figure it out. Not Now.
> Not ever. 

Sorry, I misread that very last part of the letter. I thought you were
commenting that "her mind was never going to figure it out. Not Now.
 Not ever. " Sorry.

That one small misreading however does not change the main point of
the post. 

I quoted the following, and suggested support for its validity.

=
All valid observations and insights that you need to
temper your own experience with, not deconstruct the
validity of another's experience. You can only talk
about what you experience, not another. And certainly
don't expect social consensus with someone like MMY.
Your mind is never going to get him. Never, ever.
Amen. DR PS

==

Your post appeared to contradict this, that you were not just speaking
of your own eperience but making unversal claims as to all others'
experiences. If I misudnderstood this too, aplologies.

> The writer looking out through these eyes is that Brahman.
> What has been written is the experience of life lived. It may not be
> your experience if you are real attached to that I you keep inserting
> in someones elses letter. 


However, if I did misunderstand your position, and now it is clarified
that you only speak for your own experiences, I fail to see your
reason for disturbance about my stating "perhaps what Tom meant to say
was ..." and as an interesing exercise in tone, creating an
alternative text, recasting your post interms of your experience and
not universal claims about all others' experiences. I would think you
would say, upon reading the alternative way of treating the matter
"yes, that is all I meant, that I am describing my own experiences,
not making unversal claims about others'."

If on the otherhand, you beleive Dr. Stuphens points are wrong and you
are making universal claims about all others' experiences, then the
follow-up post to this on "Cultism and Free Seekers" has more
importance. It would confirm my worst, though barely ever  dwelt on
fears about you Tom, that if holding such a position, you would be a
cultist carving out your own creed with an absolutist sense of
universal Truth  for all, based solely on your own personal experience
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Your mind is never going to get him [MMY]. Never, ever.
> > > > > Amen. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > With all due respect and pardons, but that seems quite an odd 
> > > thing to
> > > > say. Especially from (no)one proclaiming "no self". 
> > > > 
> > > > Who / what is Maharishi? The same as we all experience in or 
> out of
> > > > meditation. Effulgence, for want of a better inadequate label 
> or 
> > > name.
> > > > 
> > > > What is the personality, mind, intellect of Maharishi? Its a 
> > > hallowed
> > > > out, crystaline matrix, a unique transparent tapestry woven 
> from 
> > > the
> > > > residue of thousands of lives, training, teachers, culturing, 
> > > habits,
> > > > experiences, karmas, sadhanas, tapas, sacrafices, blunders, 
> deaths,
> > > > births,  brothers, sisters, pets, hunger, sex, wives, 
> children, 
> > > wars,
> > > > peace, oppulence, wandering, seclusion, fame, poverty, shame, 
> > > dharma,
> > > > joy, sadness, dispair and elation. 
> > > > 
> > > > What does this tapestry have to do with the Effulgent? 
> Nothing. 
> > > Other
> > > > than being a vessel for the Effulgent to flow through. As all 
> > > vessels,
> > > > you and me, are.
> > > > 
> > > > So there is Effulgence, and there is a personality. One of 
> > > billions of
> > > > personalities cultured over the eons. That a particular 
> personality
> > > > has quirks, is odd, misbehaves sometimes -- like Dr. 
> Strangelove's 
> > > arm
> > > > trying to chock him -- its all reaction. Reaction of that 
> tapestry,
> > > > with all its quirky embedded designs, with the day to day 
> ticking 
> > > of
> > > > LIFE and experience as presented, while EFFULGENCE flows 
> through 
> > > it all.
> > > > 
> > > > What is hard to understand here?
> > > >
> > > Good Morning. So, you've narrowed your understanding down to the 
> > > roughly six and half billion people currently on the planet, all 
> of 
> > > whom share in common what you have written about your mind's 
> > > understanding of Maharishi. Are you able to be more specific?
> > 
> > 
> > How odd that you feel 6 billion people are hallowed out, crystaline
> > matrix, a unique transparent tapestry woven from the residue of
> > thousands of lives .. (as in roasted samskaras) while living the
> > fullness of effulgence (not experiences while the samskaras are 
> lively). 
> > 
> > I guess the currency of "liberation" is so low today, anything and
> > everything passses as it.
> >
> OK- you hadn't made the part about the samskaras being roasted and 
> not lively clear in your previous posting.


Perhaps I am too prone to the poetic. I thought "Its a
HOLLOWED OUT, CRYSTALINE matrix, a unique TRANSPARENT tapestry woven
from the RESIDUE of thousands of lives, ..." made the "empty shell"
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cultism and Free Seekers

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > And two, it is a healthy thing to do in speaking about it
> > [enlightenment]  as if it is just another experience. Because it
> > is...just...another...experience. 
> > 
> > And yet so many disagree that it is an experience (if that implies 
> an
> > experiencer) and so many disagree that it is not special. 
> 
> 
> 
> I am trying hard to stay away from the 'specialness' of it, because 
> I think that causes a lot of confusion in a seeker's mind about what 
> it is, and the (im)possiblity of attainment. It certainly did for me.
>  
> > So many distinct views of enlightenemnt, it makes on pause for a
> > moment to wonder if maybe some are speaking of different things.
> 
> Yes, the enlightened speak about enlightenment. The almost 
> enlightened imagine enlightenment, colored by their almost 
> enlightenment.
>  
> > Its such a joy that in this age of enlightenment everyone seems 
> free
> > and joyous to define enlightenment any way they think is "neat" and
> > then claim it. Sort of like drawing circles, a target, around an 
> arrow
> > you already shot. On the broadside of the barn. While the fat lady
> > sings. Its such a joy.
> 
> Does sarcasm really assist this discussion?
>  
> > Cake anyone?
> >

Not all humor is sarcasm. I didn't intend it as sarcasm, sorry if you
interpreted it that way and disturbed you.

It rolled off my pen more as silliness. A bit of lightness to end the
evening with.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cultism and Free Seekers

[anonymousff]

You don't seem t be a fellow who parctices what he preaches.

=
All valid observations and insights that you need to
temper your own experience with, not deconstruct the
validity of another's experience. You can only talk
about what you experience, not another. And certainly
don't expect social consensus with someone like MMY.
Your mind is never going to get him. Never, ever.
Amen. DR PS

==

And yet you deconstruct my intellectual understandtings, motives and
experiences. You may best be suited to taking your own advice and
doing such to your own eperiences, not others.

Aside from your imputing motives, rather crudely I might add, you have
suggeted a theory as to why so many people report quite different
things in their self-proclaimed state of enlightenment. I suggest
another theory, perhaps closer to Ochams Razor: the various
self-proclaimed liberated are experiencing different things and  thus
describing it diferently. And/or in some caes, simply parroting what
they have read or heard others say.

While I acknowledged that differences are expected when the
Indescribable is described, parallel to your point that "the
"difference" is more the result of different minds/culture expressing
that which is outside of expression", I went on to say that it is
simply odd when some express things that are directly contradictory
"there is no ego", "there is an ego". Such a contradiction is far
beyond cultural differences as I am sure we can agree.  Thus I favor
my hypothesis over yours.

But it raises an interesting point. If you hold that directly
contradictory statements about enlightenment are valid, then it seems
anything could be said about it. Thus what is the value of discussion
orexposition? Its all valid:  "Enlightenment is a red popsicle" "no
enlightenement is an orange and purple giraffe." "Enlightenment is
dreaming of sugar plums and dancing rag dolls full of glee"
"Liberation is arguing about what liberation is" "Liberation is
Liberace". The Gita and Tropic of Cancer are allequally valid
expositions of IT.

Is that your view, that all statements, contradictory or not, are all
vaild statements about enlightenment? If not, why do yuo argue that
statements such as "there is an ego" and "there is not ego" are valid
and just "cultural differences? Again, I am quite bafled by your logic
and understandings.


You ask, "Also, why the hostility?" Is that a reference to world
affairs. I missed the segue. If by some small chance yo are actually
refering to my post, I am baffled (again) by your statements. Please
point to any hostility. I have reread my post and find none. Its more
a late night reflective meandering, but hostility? Or is that the
reaction you got upon reading something that disturbed you?

You refer to my experiences. I reference them obliquley. "anyone who s
experiencing Effulgence, a seemingly endless flow of liveliness,
unshakable bliss (not all bliss is dumb), constant wakefulness,
actions happening, knowledge happening, loss of possessionship (of
ideas, POVs, relations and things), compassion that seems to be rooted
at the core of everything, a limitless sense of wonder -- and irony, a
not so worried view of "pending disasters", a not so impressed view of
pending sucesses, then wonderful."

These are my experiences. You are right, they don't meet my conceptual
definitions of enlightenment for I have none. In my post I was simply
suggestng that claiming labels is just as superficial and maningless
as it sounds -- something plastic and cheap that a dynamo laberler
could make. Talking about various concrete experiences makes a lot
more sense to me. Not to you too?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You seem to approach Realization as some sort of
> intellectual exercise. You seek conceptual consistancy
> and coherence like it was some sort of waking state
> intellectual product. You're not going to find that.
> While there is comminality to realization, there is
> also "difference". The "difference" is more the result
> of different minds/culture expressing that which is
> outside of expression. Also, why the hostility? It
> seems that people who talk about enlightenment
> experiences that don't meet your conceptual definition
> get you angry in some way. Is that right?
> 
> --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> > The self-proclamation part has always struck me as
> > odd. Linked to the
> > absolutist interpretations of what IT IS. As if
> > there is some
> > insecurity. THIS has to be IT. And odd that there
> > are strong mandates
> > of how IT can be spoken of. And how IT cannot. And
> > what one can
> > understand and what 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cultism and Free Seekers

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> 
> And two, it is a healthy thing to do in speaking about it
[enlightenment]  as if it is just another experience. Because it
is...just...another...experience. 

And yet so many disagree that it is an experience (if that implies an
experiencer) and so many disagree that it is not special. 

So many distinct views of enlightenemnt, it makes on pause for a
moment to wonder if maybe some are speaking of different things.

Its such a joy that in this age of enlightenment everyone seems free
and joyous to define enlightenment any way they think is "neat" and
then claim it. Sort of like drawing circles, a target, around an arrow
you already shot. On the broadside of the barn. While the fat lady
sings. Its such a joy.

Cake anyone?



















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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cultsim and Free Seekers

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> Silly ego 
> driven bullshit. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 1032 Members

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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > **
> > 
> > People who were able to lurk before without joining now have to join 
> > to read messages because of this group's being put in 
> Yahoo's "adult" 
> > section, that's probably why the jump in numbers.
> 
> Makes sense.
> 
> lurk
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice Payback

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> 
> > 
> > Stop smokin' me up, Tom! I refuse to play a part in
> > your psyche anymore. It is very difficult to resist.

Psychiatrist proclaims independence from co-dependence. "But its hard"
he said, exasperated.

  







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cultism and Free Seekers

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Dec 14, 2005, at 8:36 PM, anonymousff wrote:
> 
> >
> > To me, the latter is far more effective and inviting. And it doesn't
> > have heavy-handedness of cultish procliamations "this is the way it
> > is, period. This interprestation of reality is the only valid one.
> > period. And it is known by means way beyond you. So just take it
> > without questioning."
> 
> One of the reasons an enlightened being will typically not talk about  
> enlightenment or even their own enlightenment is because this is,  
> except for some generalities, of little help in awakening the true  
> state of enlightenment in others. In other words, it's a very  
> inefficient way to introduce that state (either temporarily or  
> permanently) in students.
> 
> It's interesting the culture that has developed in the west from the  
> satsangs of Ramana, Nisargadatta and Papaji. It's nothing like the  
> sadhanas that lead them to the non-dual state in the first place.  
> Ramana was a devotee of Kali who had numerous non-dual sadhanas. But  
> he did not teach that to his student (that I am aware of). And  
> Nisargadatta had a Nath guru who undoubtedly taught him some great  
> teaching which lead to his ripening and liberation. But he also would  
> not even talk of these teachings in any detail. They gave no methods  
> for the masses that flocked to them like the ones they themselves  
> used. But laughingly, those who emulate their examples merely parody  
> there darshans as if that will do it. It would be laughable if it  
> wasn't so sad. Even Papaji said none of his students received his  
> final teaching--the final stroke. They were just leeches. But those  
> who tasted--glimpsed--the View of non-duality abruptly claimed it as  
> their own. And then they declared satsangs of their own. And they  
> declared themselves enlightened on their own...even after people like  
> Papaji told them, no, sorry.
> 
> It's like the old saying 'those who know, don't say; those who say,  
> don't know.'
> 
> Worth remembering.
>

The self-proclamation part has always struck me as odd. Linked to the
absolutist interpretations of what IT IS. As if there is some
insecurity. THIS has to be IT. And odd that there are strong mandates
of how IT can be spoken of. And how IT cannot. And what one can
understand and what one cannot. 

And if anyone is experiencing Effulgence, a seemingly endless flow of
liveliness, unshakable bliss (not all bliss is dumb), constant
wakefulness, actions happening, knowledge happening, loss of
possessionship (of ideas, POVs, relations and things), compassion that
seems to be rooted at the core of everything, a limitless sense of
wonder -- and irony, a not so worried view of "pending disasters", a
not so impressed view of pending sucesses, then wonderful. Why not
speak of these things. Why speak in nebulous labels of "liberation, 
awakening, and enlightenment"? Whose liberation, whose awakening? So
many paths, so many traditions make so many distinctions. Lots of
trail markers on this hike. Why be so anxious to claim the pinnacle. 
Why not just claim, if claims are needed,  "I am hiking, and its fun".
(oops, sorry "the body is hiking" 


(And I mean experience not in the sense of "I see the flower" and this
"I experience it", but in the sense of "Consciousness Groking", 

And the process of self-proclamation, what a concept. Someone reads a
book and says "I GET that! I must be enlightened."  "hm, they say here
no-self is enlightenment. I have searched high and low and cannot find
an ego. Ergo I am enlightened."  Yet so many self-proclaimed
enlightened, even  here on this list, but more so else where, directly
contradict each other. 

Sure the indescribable can be approached from different angles. But
its odd when A says "There is absolutely no ego" and B says, "of
course there is an ego, you are insane to think there isn't", and C
says "well, there is an ego, but it finds its proper role as servant,
not master" and D says "You are a fool to try to understand this
paradox of ego, it is Brahman, it is confusion" and E says "well, if
you take this conic section and slice it, its clear the ego is an
elipse with 16 dancing golden elves who are really the ashwins." 
Perhaps they each went to a different Satsang, or read a different book.

Its odd too people claim labels (enlightenemnt, awakening,
liberation", and not specific "attributes" of such. Its as if the
label is a smoke screen for "all attributes". But few are willng to
proclaim specific attributes and discuss in d

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cultsim and Free Seekers

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
As they say, 'Denial - Its not just a river in 
> Egypt...'

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > Your mind is never going to get him [MMY]. Never, ever.
> > > Amen. 
> > 
> > 
> > With all due respect and pardons, but that seems quite an odd 
> thing to
> > say. Especially from (no)one proclaiming "no self". 
> > 
> > Who / what is Maharishi? The same as we all experience in or out of
> > meditation. Effulgence, for want of a better inadequate label or 
> name.
> > 
> > What is the personality, mind, intellect of Maharishi? Its a 
> hallowed
> > out, crystaline matrix, a unique transparent tapestry woven from 
> the
> > residue of thousands of lives, training, teachers, culturing, 
> habits,
> > experiences, karmas, sadhanas, tapas, sacrafices, blunders, deaths,
> > births,  brothers, sisters, pets, hunger, sex, wives, children, 
> wars,
> > peace, oppulence, wandering, seclusion, fame, poverty, shame, 
> dharma,
> > joy, sadness, dispair and elation. 
> > 
> > What does this tapestry have to do with the Effulgent? Nothing. 
> Other
> > than being a vessel for the Effulgent to flow through. As all 
> vessels,
> > you and me, are.
> > 
> > So there is Effulgence, and there is a personality. One of 
> billions of
> > personalities cultured over the eons. That a particular personality
> > has quirks, is odd, misbehaves sometimes -- like Dr. Strangelove's 
> arm
> > trying to chock him -- its all reaction. Reaction of that tapestry,
> > with all its quirky embedded designs, with the day to day ticking 
> of
> > LIFE and experience as presented, while EFFULGENCE flows through 
> it all.
> > 
> > What is hard to understand here?
> >
> Good Morning. So, you've narrowed your understanding down to the 
> roughly six and half billion people currently on the planet, all of 
> whom share in common what you have written about your mind's 
> understanding of Maharishi. Are you able to be more specific?


How odd that you feel 6 billion people are hallowed out, crystaline
matrix, a unique transparent tapestry woven from the residue of
thousands of lives .. (as in roasted samskaras) while living the
fullness of effulgence (not experiences while the samskaras are lively). 

I guess the currency of "liberation" is so low today, anything and
everything passses as it. 








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[FairfieldLife] Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Your mind is never going to get him [MMY]. Never, ever.
> Amen. 


With all due respect and pardons, but that seems quite an odd thing to
say. Especially from (no)one proclaiming "no self". 

Who / what is Maharishi? The same as we all experience in or out of
meditation. Effulgence, for want of a better inadequate label or name.

What is the personality, mind, intellect of Maharishi? Its a hallowed
out, crystaline matrix, a unique transparent tapestry woven from the
residue of thousands of lives, training, teachers, culturing, habits,
experiences, karmas, sadhanas, tapas, sacrafices, blunders, deaths,
births,  brothers, sisters, pets, hunger, sex, wives, children, wars,
peace, oppulence, wandering, seclusion, fame, poverty, shame, dharma,
joy, sadness, dispair and elation. 

What does this tapestry have to do with the Effulgent? Nothing. Other
than being a vessel for the Effulgent to flow through. As all vessels,
you and me, are.

So there is Effulgence, and there is a personality. One of billions of
personalities cultured over the eons. That a particular personality
has quirks, is odd, misbehaves sometimes -- like Dr. Strangelove's arm
trying to chock him -- its all reaction. Reaction of that tapestry,
with all its quirky embedded designs, with the day to day ticking of
LIFE and experience as presented, while EFFULGENCE flows through it all.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cultsim and Free Seekers

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "qntmpkt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ---But there's no rule written in stone that Enlightenened people may
> not talk about anything.  HWL Poonja talked about it quite a bit,
> including his experiences with Ramana Maharshi. He also has some
> interesting comments on Maharishi. 

MMY I presume you mean, not RM. If so, what did he say about MMY?





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[anonymousff]

I think Dr Stuphen hit the nail on the head, paraphrasing,

One can  have quite valid observations and insights to temper ones own
experience, but that is not the same as having the ability to
deconstruct the validity of another's experience. You can only talk
about what you experience, not another. 

x


It seems trouble starts on this board when people try to generalize
their own experience to a universal, to all others. Or when someone
(A) tries to explain another's experience (B) in A's terms and
experience -- and possibly limitations. Or when motives are imputed or
diagnosed (with any basis?)

Not to say one can't speculate as to whether an observation of a few
others behaviors or self-reports, or ones own experience, can be
generalized. But that is far different from proclaiming "my
experience" is THE EXPERIENCE. (Beyond discussion of who this pesky
"my" fellow is.)


(I know this an ADULT board, but "nailing" and "head" above were meant
quite innocently.)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: School Sucks

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=48816
>
The news is catching even veteran educators by surprise.
"It is not indicative of any school in Duval County," said Acting
Principal Jack Shanklin.

"I've been in education a long time and I have never seen a situation
like this in any educational setting," he said.

Which is quite different than suggesting or even validating that its
not happening, and hasn't been happening for a longtime. 

Well, you can't prove a negative, but perhaps if ol' Jack cited some
thorough investigation into the matter, his good ol boy statements
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[FairfieldLife] Cultsim and Free Seekers

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > 
> > Tom T responds:
> > This is the value of Brahman. Only Brahman can hold those extreme
> > values inside one human mind and live with that paradox. If you have
> > any doubt left about the nature of Brahman see above and ponder on
> > that for a while. This is the exposition and playing out of the
> > Jaimini sutras. On the hand is the realtive loony toon character and
> > on the other hand is the blazing brillance of pure Shiva, go try and
> > figure it out and you can't. That is the definition of Brahman. 
> > I once heard a 23 year old, FF born and raised, describe her
> > enlightenment as "delightful confusion". Delightful because it was and
> > confusion because the mind was never going to figure it out. Not now
> > Not ever. Tom T
> 
> 
> Perhaps you can take insight from Dr. Pete, below. You can speak for
> yourself and your experience, but not really for others. 
> 
> 
> 
> All valid observations and insights that you need to
> temper your own experience with, not deconstruct the
> validity of another's experience. You can only talk
> about what you experience, not another. 
> Amen. 
> Dr. PS
> =
> Perhaps Tom meant to say,
> 
> This is the value of Brahman for me. Only what I call Brahman can hold
> those extreme values inside my mind and live with that paradox. If you
> have  any doubt left about what I experience as the nature of Brahman,
> see above and ponder on that for a while and see if you get the same
> insight that I do. For me, this is an experience of the exposition and
> playing out of the  Jaimini sutras. I percieve, and hey it may be my
> ownlimitations, but on one hand is the realtive loony toon character
> and on the other hand is the blazing brillance of pure Shiva. When I
> go try and figure it out, it am profoundly confused -- in a good way.
> I just for the life of me can't figure it out. Maybe you can, at least
> its worth a try. But that profound confusion, that is the definition
> of Brahman for me.  I once heard a 23 year old, FF born and raised,
> describe her enlightenment as "delightful confusion". Delightful
> because it was and confusion because it appeared to my mind that her
> mind was never going to figure it out. Not now, Not ever am I ever
> going to figure it out.

While there are a number of examples that could be drawn upon, the
above is handy and illustrates a point I have been pondering. (Thus it
is not specific to Tom, but illustrative of a type of thinking and
proclamation.)

It seems to me, that a characteristic of cults are leader(s) who
proclaim a (near) universal message which applies to most if not all.
Fundamental truths and insights applicable to all. 

A second characteristic often is that there is often a mystical claim
to such insight, via enlightenment, tradition, intuition, cognition,
or other mystical means of knowledge outside of rational explanation.
Examples might be "its vedic", "MMY's latest thinking is", "the
knowledge", "Its my intuition", I'm enlightened and you are not so you
can't undertand what I am saying", "this is an unsolvable mystery, no
one can ever figure it out", "its in the bible", "the founding fathers
said so", "the tarot cards said", "my jyotish chart said", "AV says to
do ..", "south facing entrances", etc.

It appears to me, certainly no proof implied, just a shared insight,
that the original statement about Brahman above, have these two
characteristics. 

In contrast, the re-written suggested text seems characteristic of a
free-thnking, humble seeker (or knower). 

In terms of purpose, both statements appear to seek communicate
something, an insight, that may be useful to others, so that others
can chew on it, and if "nutritious", to digest and incorporate into
their own word view.  

To me, the latter is far more effective and inviting. And it doesn't
have heavy-handedness of cultish procliamations "this is the way it
is, period. This interprestation of reality is the only valid one.
period. And it is known by means way beyond you. So just take it
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 1032 Members

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > What consent degree?
> > > 
> > > Perhaps consent decree was the wrong term. There was an agreement
> > > Yahoo made --apparently with Spitzer -- perhaps others, regarding
> > > chat rooms,
> > 
> > OK, I had a quick look at your links; I remember
> > reading about this now.
> > 
> > > perhaps "Groups" were included
> > 
> > I kind of doubt "Groups" were included.  At least,
> > it would seem that making a group suspected of
> > discussing "adult" material inaccessible to the
> > general public is not the best way of handling
> > the situation--if it isn't accessible except by
> > invitation, all kinds of things could go on there
> > without interference.  At least if the public can
> > read it, anything that looks as though it might
> > facilitate child predation has a chance of being
> > reported.
> > 
> > It was the *privacy* of the chat rooms that was
> > the problem.
> 
> 
> Well the mo of many, across the spectrum of nice people and pervs, in
> many chat rooms, not just teen adult ones, is to engage in some group
> convo, then, privately IM people of interest and  side chat with them
> privately. The same approach could and does happen in some groups as
> well as chat rooms. I think the purpose of the yahoo agreement was to
> create a chinese wall, an inpenetrable firewall, between teens and
> adults. Good for the problem raised, not so good in terms of
> increasing communications and understanding between generations.


And the thing is, a lot of kids go to adult age chat rooms (not
necessarily with xxx adult material" by lying on the "age" entry on
their profile about their age to gain access to where "adults" hang
out. Its funny, because on the text part of their profiles they will
sometimes say things like "I am really 17, but I lied above to get
around yahoos stupid rules that try to keep me in the teen ghetto."









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[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > What a wonderful rorshoch test this is. The world is as we are.
> > > >
> > > *yawn*...
> > 
> > Ah, dream time aproaches. May the sugar plums be sweet and the rag
> > dolls dance with glee.
> >
> dude, you are quick minded, but that may in fact be your biggest 
> barrier. Good night
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 1032 Members

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > What consent degree?
> > 
> > Perhaps consent decree was the wrong term. There was an agreement
> > Yahoo made --apparently with Spitzer -- perhaps others, regarding
> > chat rooms,
> 
> OK, I had a quick look at your links; I remember
> reading about this now.
> 
> > perhaps "Groups" were included
> 
> I kind of doubt "Groups" were included.  At least,
> it would seem that making a group suspected of
> discussing "adult" material inaccessible to the
> general public is not the best way of handling
> the situation--if it isn't accessible except by
> invitation, all kinds of things could go on there
> without interference.  At least if the public can
> read it, anything that looks as though it might
> facilitate child predation has a chance of being
> reported.
> 
> It was the *privacy* of the chat rooms that was
> the problem.


Well the mo of many, across the spectrum of nice people and pervs, in
many chat rooms, not just teen adult ones, is to engage in some group
convo, then, privately IM people of interest and  side chat with them
privately. The same approach could and does happen in some groups as
well as chat rooms. I think the purpose of the yahoo agreement was to
create a chinese wall, an inpenetrable firewall, between teens and
adults. Good for the problem raised, not so good in terms of
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[FairfieldLife] Geeks Rule

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[FairfieldLife] School Sucks

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http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=48816





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
"tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > 
> Tom T responds:
> This is the value of Brahman. Only Brahman can hold those extreme
> values inside one human mind and live with that paradox. If you have
> any doubt left about the nature of Brahman see above and ponder on
> that for a while. This is the exposition and playing out of the
> Jaimini sutras. On the hand is the realtive loony toon character and
> on the other hand is the blazing brillance of pure Shiva, go try and
> figure it out and you can't. That is the definition of Brahman. 
> I once heard a 23 year old, FF born and raised, describe her
> enlightenment as "delightful confusion". Delightful because it was and
> confusion because the mind was never going to figure it out. Not now
> Not ever. Tom T


Perhaps you can take insight from Dr. Pete, below. You can speak for
yourself and your experience, but not really for others. 



All valid observations and insights that you need to
temper your own experience with, not deconstruct the
validity of another's experience. You can only talk
about what you experience, not another. 
Amen. 
Dr. PS
=
Perhaps Tom meant to say,

This is the value of Brahman for me. Only what I call Brahman can hold
those extreme values inside my mind and live with that paradox. If you
have  any doubt left about what I experience as the nature of Brahman,
see above and ponder on that for a while and see if you get the same
insight that I do. For me, this is an experience of the exposition and
playing out of the  Jaimini sutras. I percieve, and hey it may be my
ownlimitations, but on one hand is the realtive loony toon character
and on the other hand is the blazing brillance of pure Shiva. When I
go try and figure it out, it am profoundly confused -- in a good way.
I just for the life of me can't figure it out. Maybe you can, at least
its worth a try. But that profound confusion, that is the definition
of Brahman for me.  I once heard a 23 year old, FF born and raised,
describe her enlightenment as "delightful confusion". Delightful
because it was and confusion because it appeared to my mind that her
mind was never going to figure it out. Not now, Not ever am I ever
going to figure it out.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India

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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > What a wonderful rorshoch test this is. The world is as we are.
> >
> *yawn*...

Ah, dream time aproaches. May the sugar plums be sweet and the rag
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[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > >Not  now  Not ever. Tom T
> > 
> > 
> > Snake-oil salesmen, religions, cults, tyrants and even 
> democratically-
> > elected / appointed political leaders "like I can't explain it 
> pretty
> > good why we kneaded to have done it, but like God told me to do it 
> so
> > I done it, I invaded Iraq" revert to the same claim -- "just trust 
> my
> > explanation even though I can't explain it rationally and you can
> > never understand it: its 'a magic elexir, 'a miracle', 'god's 
> will',
> > 'what our founding fathers said was good for us', 'the unspoken
> > mystery', 'the grand paradox'. 
> > 
> > How to differentiate I wonder?
> >
> Intuition, ...plain...and...simple.


A problem with "intuition", in general, is that it can and is used by
spiritual and political charlatans and others (look at bush, "I just
got a hunch its the right thing", "I feel it strongly in my gut" -- as
if thats some sort of proof or validation of some lame brained thing
that pops into his head. He really needs Byron Katie and have himself
ask about each of his thoughts "Is it true?" "Do I really know its
True"). 

Spiritual charlatans can justify "great things" by saying the insight
is from their (implied, "highly refined, highly evolved") intuition.
Any questioning of such brings the easy retort "well, if you don't
HAVE it, I can't explain it to you" or some such spurious and
condescending comment. (with a small smirk and chuckle too)

Personally using "intuition", if that includes forsaking rational
analysis, is such a trap for so many. On the other hand, intuition,
insight, that is then tested or thought through rationally, can be a
great tool. Part of a package. But to use it exclusively, in the above
post, to discern wheat from chaf, charlatans from those with insight,
appears naive. But  each to his own, going with what works.

If I were to go by intuition alone, I would take a number of posts on
this list  as unrepentant mood making. But I try to keep an open mind,
the rational side keeps the door open.



 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 1032 Members

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What consent degree?

Perhaps consent decree was the wrong term. There was an agreement
Yahoo made --apparently with Spitzer -- perhaps others, regarding chat
rooms, perhaps "Groups" were included, and to genearlly shape up. It
appears there was also advertiser pressure.

http://www.chatmag.com/news/101505_yahoo_chat.html

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2005/oct/oct12a_05.html

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,69188,00.html

 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> All valid observations and insights that you need to
> temper your own experience with,

Actually all of the questions I wrote: the inner
consolidation/condensation of ones own  projections of how the world
(and gurus) should be; could the need to experience a teacher as
"blazing brahman" justify the umpteen years poured into the trivial
etc., are prompted from re"viewing", questioning and speculating about
my own experiences with saints. 

> not deconstruct the
> validity of another's experience. 

Who said anything about any specific other's experience? It was a
serious of questions about "the general" drawn from observation and
speculation of my own experiences, "the specific"

> You can only talk
> about what you experience, not another. 

OK I will try to keep that in mind when such circumstances arise. I
assume you will also.

> And certainly
> don't expect social consensus with someone like MMY.
> Your mind is never going to get him. Never, ever.
> Amen. 

Aren't you now guilty of what you just preached not to do? It appears
valid for you to conclude that your mind is never going to get him. 
But it seems baseless for you to conclude that another mind, much less
all minds, are incapbable of getting him, or of anything for that
matter. Isn't "all possibilities" part of the credo of this group? 

 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > In his dreams?
> > > >
> > > Believe what you want. I have not stated such a thing to 
> convince 
> > > anybody. On the other hand, I am not going to pretend it was 
> some 
> > > fantasy, or that I mention this for ego aggrandizement as many 
> would 
> > > understand it, or keep quiet about it because there are folks 
> out 
> > > there that desperately need a rational explanation. You've been 
> > > meditating long enough, deal with it, however you like. 
> > 
> > Its funny, no one said anything about belief, or lack thereof,  
> > pretending, fantasies, desperately needing a rational explanation, 
> or
> > ego aggrandizement. Yet you jump immediately to defend yourself on
> > those grounds. As in Hamlet, "The lady doth protest too much, 
> methinks."
> > 
> > I thought the remark about dreams funny -- multi-leveled: sains 
> often
> > come in deams; "field of dreams" -- create the "field" and they
> > (saints) will come; "I have a dream" -- a desire to be in the 
> presence
> > of saints; and yes the slightly disparaging one -- "in his
> > imagination" -- somewhat declawed by its juxtapostion. All 
> together, a
> > funny (and tasty) sandwich of meanings, in my mind.
> > 
> > 
> > > To paraphrase what Barry Wright said earlier, is daily life any 
> less 
> > > of an enlightened and enlightening experience? 
> > 
> > Sounds deep. Perhaps too much for me. (As deep a Barry White's 
> voice?)
> > 
> > > So what?
> > 
> > So Hum?
> > 
> > By the way, do you have a match sir?
> >
> Akasha, please go practice your cynicism and rationalizations 
> elsewhere. Besides the next time I see Guru Dev, I'm tattling on 
> youHa Ha

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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

[anonymousff]

More thoughts:

If you create a FFL2, you'd probably have to post to it occasionally 
to make sure that it wasn't cancelled by Yahoo, but I think they 
would send the owner or moderator(s) warnings before doing so. You 
may also need to have two or members to stay in business.

Another thought is that you might create a group just for the 
purpose of experimenting with what made Yahoo change the category. 
This would be a group that doesn't allow new memberships. 

Examples of tests:

a) You could put the full FFL description on the home page and wait 
a few days to see what happens. Maybe you would get immediate 
feedback, like when you were not able to save the word "bondage" in 
the description. 

b) Try uploading the "Sexy Sadie" files.

If the switch of category of FFL was "automated," these kinds of 
tests ought to yield some results. If it was caused by someone's 
complaints, well, that's another matter.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Rick,
> 
> Here's an idea:
> 
> Create a new group called FairfieldLife2. Use the same home page 
> description as on FairfieldLife, except, perhaps, leaving out 
> anything that might categorize it as an "adult" site. Also, add a 
> line at the top which states something like - "To access 
> FairfieldLife, log into any Yahoo account, then go to this 
url ..." 
> with maybe a brief explanation of why needed. This way, people 
just 
> doing searches will find FairfieldLife2 and from there, find 
> FairfieldLife.
> 
> You could put a longer explanation in a post sent to the new group 
> and give the post a subject heading inviting and encouraging 
> newcomers to read it.
> 
> If possible, you could also disallow anyone else posting to the 
new 
> group, so that it doesn't become an unintentional competing mess. 
> Maybe also don't allow people to join, because all that you want 
is 
> to point people to the other group. So, like FFL, FFL2 would allow 
> non-members to read the home page and browse the archives.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

[anonymousff]

Rick,

Here's an idea:

Create a new group called FairfieldLife2. Use the same home page 
description as on FairfieldLife, except, perhaps, leaving out 
anything that might categorize it as an "adult" site. Also, add a 
line at the top which states something like - "To access 
FairfieldLife, log into any Yahoo account, then go to this url ..." 
with maybe a brief explanation of why needed. This way, people just 
doing searches will find FairfieldLife2 and from there, find 
FairfieldLife.

You could put a longer explanation in a post sent to the new group 
and give the post a subject heading inviting and encouraging 
newcomers to read it.

If possible, you could also disallow anyone else posting to the new 
group, so that it doesn't become an unintentional competing mess. 
Maybe also don't allow people to join, because all that you want is 
to point people to the other group. So, like FFL, FFL2 would allow 
non-members to read the home page and browse the archives.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 1032 Members

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > You know, we suddenly jumped from 1000 members to 1032.  I wonder if 
> > we're being "monitored".  I certainly hope so.  We've had a good two 
> > weeks of postings.
> > 
> > lurk
> >
> **
> 
> People who were able to lurk before without joining now have to join 
> to read messages because of this group's being put in Yahoo's "adult" 
> section, that's probably why the jump in numbers.


Nope, not true. But one does have to sign in to ANY yahoo user name,
whether its a FFL member or not, to get to the homepage.

I think the adult thing is a general crack down yahoo has "consented"
to, reachng an agreement after facing serious prosecution from Elliot
Spitzer or some prosecutor of his zeal, stemming from a percieved
environment for potential sexual abuse of minors in yahoo's chat rooms. 

Yahoo has  eliminated all its "user-defined" chat rooms -- which while
creative in name and content at times, did on face value, look pretty
raunchy -- such as "High School Gurls Who Love Older Guys" etc.  For
years there was lots of basic sex drugs and rock-in-roll content, and
more importantly to some, the appearance of such, in these totally
uncensored rooms.

And the extra "adult" screen to get to FFL now talks about options for
concerned parents who want to protect their children. I would guess
that many groups are now "adult" -- based on yahoo's scan of key
words. They apear to be wanting to err on the side of caution and show
"good faith" in complying with the spirit of the consent decree. 

 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > >
> > 
> > In his dreams?
> >
> Believe what you want. I have not stated such a thing to convince 
> anybody. On the other hand, I am not going to pretend it was some 
> fantasy, or that I mention this for ego aggrandizement as many would 
> understand it, or keep quiet about it because there are folks out 
> there that desperately need a rational explanation. You've been 
> meditating long enough, deal with it, however you like. 

Its funny, no one said anything about belief, or lack thereof,  
pretending, fantasies, desperately needing a rational explanation, or
ego aggrandizement. Yet you jump immediately to defend yourself on
those grounds. As in Hamlet, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

I thought the remark about dreams funny -- multi-leveled: sains often
come in deams; "field of dreams" -- create the "field" and they
(saints) will come; "I have a dream" -- a desire to be in the presence
of saints; and yes the slightly disparaging one -- "in his
imagination" -- somewhat declawed by its juxtapostion. All together, a
funny (and tasty) sandwich of meanings, in my mind.


> To paraphrase what Barry Wright said earlier, is daily life any less 
> of an enlightened and enlightening experience? 

Sounds deep. Perhaps too much for me. (As deep a Barry White's voice?)

> So what?

So Hum?

By the way, do you have a match sir?











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[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Please, when and where did you meet Brahmananda Saraswati face-to-face?
> 
> 
> > *Paradoxically* I never had the slightest inclination to be in 
> > Maharishi's physical presence. 
> > 
> > and *paradoxically* the only guru who lived up to my expectations 
> > when I met him face to face was Brahmananda Saraswati aka Guru Dev 
> > (who was the only one I ever met face-to-face...). The embodiment of 
> > gentleness, love, friendliness, compassion and an absolute pillar of 
> > resolve, tenacity, steadfastness, and no compromise.
> >
>

In his dreams? 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > snip
> > > 
> > > Maharishi has evolved into pure paradox,
> > > transcending my intellect,  
> > > and leaving me as the innocent witness to his
> > > actions. Like a master-
> > >  disciple relationship only in the transcendent;
> > > ONLY in the 
> > > transcendent. Pure Paradox.
> > 
> > Absolutely. You got it! Nothing of value on the
> > surface at all. It's all sentimentality and ego up
> > there, but deep in the heart is that pulse of Brahman
> > that just PULLS you into it and flattens all the
> > bullshit of the personality. Pure Shiva whirling in
> > absolute stillness destroying all boundaries. 
> 
> And yet I suspect you'd have to admit that this
> is a subjective feeling. 

A polite way of saying "mood making", perhaps? 

And/ or the inner consolidation/condensation of ones own projections
of how the world (and gurus) should be? I mean if one thinks MMY or
whoever is "IT", "THE ONE", won't the mind almost automatically create
a sense of that experience when one sees them? Particularly if it is a
rare event / (always a) special occasion?

Did the skinboys and inner circle types who were around MMY constantly
experience him as "blazing brahman".

Could the need to experience a teacher as "blazing brahman" justify
the umpteen years poured into what now apear, at least in part as
trivial and silly projects of his?

Someone once said that the grandeur of the "described" experience
around the teacher is inversely proportional to ones proximity.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
"tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> jim_flanegin writes; snipped
> Maharishi has evolved into pure paradox, transcending my intellect,  
> and leaving me as the innocent witness to his actions. Like a master-/
>  disciple relationship only in the transcendent; ONLY in the 
> transcendent. Pure Paradox.  
> 
> Tom T responds:
> This is the value of Brahman. Only Brahman can hold those extreme
> values inside one human mind and live with that paradox. If you have
> any doubt left about the nature of Brahman see above and ponder on
> that for a while. This is the exposition and playing out of the
> Jaimini sutras. On the hand is the realtive loony toon character and
> on the other hand is the blazing brillance of pure Shiva, go try and
> figure it out and you can't. That is the definition of Brahman. 
> I once heard a 23 year old, FF born and raised, describe her
> enlightenment as "delightful confusion". Delightful because it was and
> confusion because the mind was never going to figure it out. Not now
> Not ever. Tom T


Snake-oil salesmen, religions, cults, tyrants and even democratically-
elected / appointed political leaders "like I can't explain it pretty
good why we kneaded to have done it, but like God told me to do it so
I done it, I invaded Iraq" revert to the same claim -- "just trust my
explanation even though I can't explain it rationally and you can
never understand it: its 'a magic elexir, 'a miracle', 'god's will',
'what our founding fathers said was good for us', 'the unspoken
mystery', 'the grand paradox'. 

How to differentiate I wonder? 





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[FairfieldLife] Good for the goose, good for the gander (was Re: Yagna By Choice Payback)

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I also noticed you started
> to do what I did and get caught up in what
> psychoanalytic thought calls projective
> identification. The person in question unconsciously
> projects a unintegrated/disowned aspect of their
> personality onto others and provokes them into
> responding/behaving in accord with that unintegrated
> part. People have a tendency to "go off" on the person
> in question thus perpetuating the abuse he experiences
> and recreating this abuse in a repetition compulsion
> that unconsciously seeks to resolve the original abuse
> in current relationships. 

It would seem that this then is a healing mechanism of the mind --
parallel to healing mechanisms in the body. 

> Unless this is consciously
> recognized, it just continues on and on and on until
> that complex of samskaras are disolved. 

And if it is consciously recognized, and stopped, is the healing
stopped. Is the dissolving of that particular complex of  samskaras
left unresolved?








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[FairfieldLife] Re: 1032 Members

[anonymousff]

Is it even possible to join the group now? How do you find the group 
if you aren't already a member?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> 
> > 
> > It's a minor annoyance to most of us but one fellow in the UK 
said
> he reads
> > FFL on a public library computer and can no longer get in 
because of its
> > "adult" classification. If this is the result of someone 
complaining to
> > Yahoo, then I'd say they have a serious case of "if you don't 
play
> my way
> > I'm taking my football and going home" syndrome. Multiply that 
tendency
> > 1,000 times and you have a terrorist blowing up innocent people.
> >
> 
> Because there's a total lack of civility seen in other groups, 
because
> there are people who get their rocks off by playing "now I've got 
you,
> so sonofabitch", because there are "Drs" who should keep their
> diagnosis to their own unfortunate clients and not to FFL, there 
are
> people out to get FFL closed down in the belief that freedom of 
speech
> does not include deriding and belittling people over and over and
> over again.  If this is such a spiritual group, why aren't people
> called when they do such things to people?  It's possible that 
someone
> tried to get FFL closed down because of someone posting 
inappropriate
> material then someone complained once again to Yahoo.  Rick knows 
the
> whole story, only he's keeping it quiet.  Quiet is something Rick
> should not be. He's the group owner and moderator.  Quiet makes him
> accomplice.  Posting rules doesn't cut it.  Cutting someone down 
when
> they go on the attack is what needs to be done.
> 
> Unless, until FFL polices itself, there will be people trying
> everything they can to get FFL closed down, including interviewing
> with and being hired by Yahoo so they can then have the power to 
pull
> the plug on not only FFL but all the members with Yahoo email
> addresses so the group can't reform.
> 
> Characterize it (character, what an interesting word) as a "play 
by my
> rules or I take my ball home" if you wish.  Read the posts and 
tell me
> if there has been sufficient civility to warrant FFL continuing
> another second.  
> 
> Play by the rules of civility or the group will be closed down, if
> bribes, calling in favors from friends in infamous families,  and
> endless number of complaints against Yahoo don't close don't this
> group, nothing will.  Play by the rules of civility and people 
won't
> feel they've entered a minefield where whatever they post will be
> pounced upon again and again and again.  And won't feel the need to
> stiffle "free" speech.  Or spend their free time networking to find
> just the right person to get the plug pulled on FFL.
> 
> Terrorists?  Disappointed you can't access FFL from a public 
library?
> Blame the major flippant posters of FFL for that.  If you go to the
> site and suddenly it's no longer there, blame said posters for 
that as
> well.  And blame yourself for not saying "cut that out" in 
response to
> the uncivil posts.  
> 
> BTW, the posts of Rudra Joe were enough to get this group an Adult
> rating or deletion years ago.  It just took a while for Yahoo to 
catch
> on. 
> 
> Get it?
>
Oh darn...it got posted. I was ranting a bit folks, again, and 
didn't mean to hit the send key. I really must stop being so sneaky 
and making vague threats to you all. My buttons got pushed, 
especially by Rudra Joe, way back when. And Dr. Pete- who I now 
acknowledge really nailed it when he addressed my posting several 
back.

And that stuff I just said about 'if bribes, calling in favors from 
friends in infamous families, and endless number of complaints 
against Yahoo don't close don't this group, nothing will.  Play by 
the rules of civility...etc '. I really overstepped my bounds, and 
realize that empty threats don't amount to much, especially 
anaonymously...

So anyway, keep up the free exchange of ideas, and I will try my 
best to restrain myself in the future...I for one really hope we are 
able to get this site back to a non-Adult Category again. Cheers.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>

> 
> It's a minor annoyance to most of us but one fellow in the UK said
he reads
> FFL on a public library computer and can no longer get in because of its
> "adult" classification. If this is the result of someone complaining to
> Yahoo, then I'd say they have a serious case of "if you don't play
my way
> I'm taking my football and going home" syndrome. Multiply that tendency
> 1,000 times and you have a terrorist blowing up innocent people.
>

Because there's a total lack of civility seen in other groups, because
there are people who get their rocks off by playing "now I've got you,
so sonofabitch", because there are "Drs" who should keep their
diagnosis to their own unfortunate clients and not to FFL, there are
people out to get FFL closed down in the belief that freedom of speech
does not include deriding and belittling people over and over and
over again.  If this is such a spiritual group, why aren't people
called when they do such things to people?  It's possible that someone
tried to get FFL closed down because of someone posting inappropriate
material then someone complained once again to Yahoo.  Rick knows the
whole story, only he's keeping it quiet.  Quiet is something Rick
should not be. He's the group owner and moderator.  Quiet makes him
accomplice.  Posting rules doesn't cut it.  Cutting someone down when
they go on the attack is what needs to be done.

Unless, until FFL polices itself, there will be people trying
everything they can to get FFL closed down, including interviewing
with and being hired by Yahoo so they can then have the power to pull
the plug on not only FFL but all the members with Yahoo email
addresses so the group can't reform.

Characterize it (character, what an interesting word) as a "play by my
rules or I take my ball home" if you wish.  Read the posts and tell me
if there has been sufficient civility to warrant FFL continuing
another second.  

Play by the rules of civility or the group will be closed down, if
bribes, calling in favors from friends in infamous families,  and
endless number of complaints against Yahoo don't close don't this
group, nothing will.  Play by the rules of civility and people won't
feel they've entered a minefield where whatever they post will be
pounced upon again and again and again.  And won't feel the need to
stiffle "free" speech.  Or spend their free time networking to find
just the right person to get the plug pulled on FFL.

Terrorists?  Disappointed you can't access FFL from a public library?
Blame the major flippant posters of FFL for that.  If you go to the
site and suddenly it's no longer there, blame said posters for that as
well.  And blame yourself for not saying "cut that out" in response to
the uncivil posts.  

BTW, the posts of Rudra Joe were enough to get this group an Adult
rating or deletion years ago.  It just took a while for Yahoo to catch
on. 

Get it?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Regulations and Restrictions

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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hanumanhoffman9 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Regulations and Restrictions
> > From Sadguru Sookti Sangraha, Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji
> > 
> > Peace and happiness cannot be derived through impulsive and 
> unbridled freedom. 
> > Actually, there is no freedom without restraint. For attaining 
> peace and happiness in life, 
> > self-imposed regulations and restrictions are most necessary. They 
> are not meant to 
> > punish the body, but to regulate and channelize it in order to 
> bring self-discipline.
> > 
> > Human body is the temple of God. Mind, by itÕs very nature, is 
> chanchala (restless). It will 
> > always try to rule over the body. It will think of something and 
> the body will follow.
> > 
> > Mind and body need to be subjected to the higher principles of 
> life, so that slowly and 
> > steadily, they are purified. So long as purification of body and 
> mind are lacking, self-
> > fulfillment will also be delayed.
> > 
> > In order to achieve purification, there are many 
> religious/spiritual practices, such as 
> > Naama Sankeertan, Pooja, Homa, reading of the scriptures, 
> Pranaayama, Yogasanaas etc.


>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Whew! If one ain't sure where to place long (diirgha) vowels,
> one might be better off not trying to do that at all! It may turn
> out to be counterproductive, or stuff. Sorry!

Why are you sorry? 

That you suspect many of us here cannot understand your egotistic attempts at 
translating 
Sanskrit posts? Am I the only one not smart enough to figure out what you are 
doing?
Do you think what you are doing isn't counterproductive?

or sorry that what you post can't enlighten us?

Or sorry that we are smart enough to know?

Hoffman at least is providing something more interesting than your gAbULdEgUk.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine

[anonymousff]

What an arrogant asshole you, MDG, are. This is beyond any of your 
usual pompous material.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Michael, I just have one question.  Did your mother ever tape 
your 
> > mouth or otherwise prevent you from talking when you were growing 
> up?
> > 
> > Sal
> > 
> > 
> > On Dec 12, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote:
> > 
> > (Really long snip)
> > 
> > >  I hope this gives FFLife readers some perspective on the local 
> > > situation
> > >  here in south Florida.  It's caused much more heat on the 
FFLife 
> list 
> > > than
> > >  it has here locally!  Locally, other than his ads, Mike's TM 
> > > activities
> > >  are so limited that they have very little effect and get no 
> attention.
> > >  The few times that my schedule has allowed me to go to a TM 
> event 
> > > hosted
> > >  by the new teachers, I've never heard Mike mentioned.
> 
> Sounds to me (to quote Michael) like "his ego got stuck".
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category

[anonymousff]

Another problem is that you can't access the archives without logging
in first. So people who don't have an account already or know how to
log in as anonymousff won't be able to access ffl. I think. Didn't try
everything.

Wonder how this change has affected the site that does its own
archiving of ffl - Rick?

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> My letter to Yahoo:
[snip]
Being in the adult
> category is an undeserved handicap. Users can't access the group on
public
> computers, such as in libraries, FairfieldLife no longer comes up in
"Find a
> Group" searches within http://groups.yahoo.com/, and there are probably
> other problems that I haven't discovered yet.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "lurkernomore20002000" 
> > > 
> > > > Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year
> > old 
> > > boy.
> > > 
> > > snip
> > > 
> > > Sorry to come in late on this thread, but is this
> > Tom Pall's story, 
> > > and if so, is this a reposting, or is this new
> > information?  Thanks.
> > > 
> > > lurk
> > 
> > It is not a reposting.  I think I know Tom Pall
> > rather well and
> > believe it to be Tom's story.  It was not written to
> > evoke pity to
> > make the statement that shrinks, except ones who are
> > obviously in it
> > to cure their own misery, should be less flippant
> > and derisive.  It
> > did prove one thing.  "Dr." Pete isn't perhaps a
> > doctor.  If he is
> > he's most likely a vet.
> 
> One thing about this anon, he doesn't let go once he
> sinks his teeth in.
> 

The attributes of a survivor and what makes Anon exceedingly
successful in his profession.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> 
> > 
> > Has *anyone* suggested Tom get a wrathful mantra/ishta rather than 
> a  
> > peaceful one? Peaceful deity mantras are just peachy for your 
> average  
> > Joe or Judy wanting to *transcend*, but special mentations require  
> > special mantras. This guys a diamond in the rough just waiting for  
> > the right method. He'd attain mirror-like Wisdom quite quickly I'd  
> > guess.
> > 
> > Interesting man that Tom.
> 
> Being on a spiritual path has not mitigated 
> what seems to me to be some real flaws. 

So you've been keeping Tom's diary.  Once again Tom is damned because
he's fabulously improved but not perfect.

I think it lends credence to 
> the notion that we all could use a good dose of therapy.  I would 
> welcome Dr. Pete's opinion on this. 

I'd welcome the the opinion of a real doctor, not a sick himself
wannabe psychologist or a vet saying he's a psychologist.


It's hard to imagine anything more 
> horrendous than this story.  They say emotional development gets 
> arrested at the time of abuse.  

Damning Tom once again.  He's not a survivor who's getting over.  He's
forever damned because his emotional development was arrested at the
time of abuse.  Funny the real Dr.s who treated Tom didn't feel that
way.  They felt no need to teach Tom how to act or encourage him to
grow. They watched it happen before their eyes and took notes.  They
felt that merely freeing the pain brought forth the true, loving,
secure Tom.  With other patients these very Drs. taught their patients
what they had failed to develop.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Has *anyone* suggested Tom get a wrathful mantra/ishta rather than a  
> peaceful one? Peaceful deity mantras are just peachy for your average  
> Joe or Judy wanting to *transcend*, but special mentations require  
> special mantras. This guys a diamond in the rough just waiting for  
> the right method. He'd attain mirror-like Wisdom quite quickly I'd  
> guess.
> 
> Interesting man that Tom.
>

You're assuming that Tom is just wrath.  Actually, he's full of shake
and quake but is very sensitive to slights, as he was trained like
Pavlov's dogs to equate the slightest displeasure of someone with him
as another night he has to worry about being murdered or thrown out in
the snow shoeless and naked to spend the night shivering in what
little pile of leaves he could find. Hopefully God was good that night
and he was able to get some rest for school the next day. 

That sensitiveness to slights makes him feel differently about Ben
saying he was happy everybody enjoyed their special coins or
amulets when he didn't receive anything.  It's true Tom told Ben after
a few years that he wasn't that excited about receiving sacred ash,
but Ben's mamory is ever convenient to cover up his own failings.  Ben
does appear to suffer from attention and memory deficit.  Tom lives in
a world in which a man's word is his bond, else he's fired an hour
after he fails to deliver.  Tom truly believes Ben is just another one
of those space cadets who's quite suited to the SoCal "let's have
lunch" mentality.  Tom is not all hate.  There are a lot of flakey
people in the world and there are a lot of vicious people in the
world, "Dr." Pete and Dr. Lechter being two of them.  Tom might have
asked for it, but that doesn't mean it's got to run the gauntlet and
then have the person he least honors for truth and reliability after
having dealt with him for years, the Pundit in training, to pick up on
"Dr." Pete's damnation of him with "just look at his chracter. 
search the archives." as a way to cover up his own failing and child
abuse issues.  

Tom has arranged for a $50,000 legal retainer to sue
Ben the lier.  If Ben posts a fully apologitic statement in which he
admits in every line that he, and not Tom was wrong and he apologizes
for wrongfully accusing Tom for it in an unambiguous, convincing,
non-finger pointing way, the suit will not be filed.  Any hint that
he's being insincere and Tom will see Ben in Court.  If Ben posts
anything to Fairfield life on any subject becept a convincing  apology
and  agreement that he is a flake, the lawsuit against Ben will be
filed and a few days later Ben will receive his subpoena.  Tom doesn't
want to stiffle Ben's freedom of speach.  But he doesn't want to read
the words of a lier who reprements himself as totally innocent of any
wrong doing.  The lawyers will prove otherwise.  Tom has more money
set aside for more prosecuition, counter suits and to fight malicious,
frivilous law suits against him.  He's also got every email Ben ever
sent to him, notes of every phone conversation, every email he ever
sent to Ben or others about Ben.  Some of it will curl your hair.

Joining YBC is the best thing Tom ever did.  It's been a week now he's
been doing full TM/TM Sidhi Program.  The consciousness flows through
him now and he feels full of spunk and hope and optimism as he did 14
years ago when he was last able to do full program off a course.  The
infusion of consciousness makes former perceived slights not.  It
makes frustrations in traffic not.  It makes the feeling of being
helplessly stuck in the muck and mire not. It makes formely
overwhelming terror and panic which drove him to the bottle of Dr.s'
prescripions flow through and out of him.

Tom has lead a moderately successful life here and there, clearing a
quarter million a year here, being an National Merit there, branch
manager of a control systems vendor resident at Bechtel in SF with an
annual 1/4 $billion annual budged there, being born conscious and
remembering his past there.  

"Interesting Man that Tom" is not only truer than you imagine, its
truer than you can imagine.  Richard Nixon opened us to Mainland
China, but took Dilantin for his depression, did some really petty
shit and resigned as the articles of impeachment were being drawn up.  

Abraham Lincoln and his life believed in dreams and wrote every one
down.  They had sayances performed in the White House regularly and
Lincoln timed has actions based on the feedback he got through his
secretary from a noted psychic.  Lincoln told his cabinet the day
before that night about the very disturbing dream where we woke up and
heard wailing.  He walked into a hall and there was a large man laid
out in a coffin.  He asked an overcome woman who was laid out in the
coffin.  The woman told him it was the President.  Lincoln campaigned
to have That Pecular Instituion undone  but also put his power behind
the establishment

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Dawn Golden, wasn't it?  Her name came up for discussion a while back.
> 
> Sal

Give that man a cupie doll. Of course Dawn Golden.  A name impossible
to remember for me, just like the names Ann Richards and Paul Harvey.

She was quite a gal when she came back from TTC and became every part
of a lovely woman.  She made the mistake of not waiting around to
marry the right man in Tom's opinion but beyond that she was
perfection incarnate.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> But M's theory is that this should just confuse you Akasha.
>

If you subtly think of Inner Lite Beer before doing your flying, your
body takes on the properties of Akasha, confused or not.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>   A very sweet but typically naive MIU lady. 
> 
> Does she have a last name?
> 
> lurk 
> >
> >
>
It's been a long time.  It'll pop up, I'm sure.  It got changed, of
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'

[anonymousff]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" 
> 
> > Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year old 
> boy.
> 
> snip
> 
> Sorry to come in late on this thread, but is this Tom Pall's story, 
> and if so, is this a reposting, or is this new information?  Thanks.
> 
> lurk

It is not a reposting.  I think I know Tom Pall rather well and
believe it to be Tom's story.  It was not written to evoke pity to
make the statement that shrinks, except ones who are obviously in it
to cure their own misery, should be less flippant and derisive.  It
did prove one thing.  "Dr." Pete isn't perhaps a doctor.  If he is
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories?
>

Indeed.  I had almost total immersion in Czech at Our Lady of the
Inquisition Catholic School in kindergarten and 1-2 grade.  The nuns
were right off the boat from Czecho.  It was easy as pie to learn Czech.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I don't know how old Walter Kissinger was when he landed in New York 
> with Henry, but if he was even a little younger, that would explain 
> his superior command of English pronunciation. If Walter was older 
> than Henry, then it's just a matter of individual variation -- 
> everybody, not just linguistic professionals, has met people who 
> have never lost their home country accent, so it strains credulity 
> to say that Henry would have wasted his name affecting an accent for 
> all these years, when a more reasonable explanation is just that he 
> was too old to acquire the pronunciation pattern of a native speaker 
> of American English.
>

Dr. K likes to drink.  He loses his accent and speaks English like a
native born American when he's had a bit too much to drink or when you
catch him at an odd moment when he's off guard.  Ask any reporter. 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Yes, that's her (I like the "zoftig" adjective!) She
> lived in my Frat, but I never really knew her very
> well. I think she died of skin cancer. She was one of
> the first ru's to die of cancer.

MMY had a special secret telephone conversation with her towards the
end.  Probably one of the last ru's to have that sort of treatment.

I was branch manager for a control system vendor for a multi-billion
dollar seawater treatment plant for Prudhoe Bay, Alaska.  To put sea
water out of the bay, treat it and pump it into 1200 wells to replace
the oil else Alaska would become one big sinkhole.  I had to entertain
and also fly first class.  She was gratious to allow me to drink all
the bloody marys and wine they served with breakfast in the up front
cabin.  She was not only a very charming person on our quiet trips to
Calestoga, she was a very gracious dinner companion when I had to blow
$4,000 for dinner at the Big Four or Caesar's Castle or La Touilas (I
can't spell French) to feed all of 3 couples once a week.  She loved
French veggies and Perier with lime (at something like $15 a bubble)
at those places.  A very sweet but typically naive MIU lady.  

I remember my first words when I met her again in SF after watching
her stare at her palms for hours on end at the FTL TM Center.  I
melted, gazed in her eyes and uttered that she'd become a stunningly
beautiful woman.  And beautiful she was in every way you could imagine.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> It *was* kinda embarrassing; I had to buy some baggy
> pants for the duration. Fortunately I was on vacation
> and not doing training classes at the time, otherwise
> the students would've been making snide comments about
> my new "laser pointer."  :-)
> 
> But at least now I know the secret of Billy and Mick's
> onstage charisma.
>

When I'm not sleeping (I assume) and am rounding, the laser pointer is
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > How about men thinking of women as good catches based on looks 
> > and/or family connections?
> 
> Pretty much the same level of stupidity.
> 
> You get what you settle for.
> 

"It's not who we are, Harley, it's what we've settled on being." 
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[FairfieldLife] Men and women (was Re: Yagna By Choice)

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> There's two different kinds of frazzle from outside work vs housework. 
> Both are bad, but having to have BOTH at once in the same person is 
> probably worse.
>

Thank God the Sixpense in Her Shoe, Feminine Mistique and Woman's Lib
thing has waned a bit, not to mention the coming of business casual in
the work place.  It was exteremly painful to watch and work with women
who felt they had to have their hair done before each meeting, be
dressed to the hilt, work day and night to get ahead in the
profession, race home to cook for hubby and the kids and be a tigress
in the private quarters of the house.  

At a computer vendor in Roundrock, TX, they're only required, in
keeping with the area's californication, to have 2% bodyfat, do
aerobics for 4 hours a day, work 60 hours a week, be gourmet chefs and
look like a movie star goddess.  Oh yeah, and of course have large
Winnebagos.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> "Looking for a "good provider" is an essential thing for a sane woman 
> who is hoping to raise a family unless she is already well-to-do. The 
> problem is when you make money the MOST important part of who you're 
> looking for.
>

After that looking for a winning divorce attorney, retaining custody
and being a good housekeeper doesn't hurt either.  

Sorry.  Been working out, showering and having some beers with the
guys afterward a bit too often.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

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> > 
> > Gallows humor to assuage the grief.
> 
> Was that Dawn, a former MIU student in the early days?
> Blond hair?

A bit zoftig, tended to space out and stare at the palms of her hands
in utter amazement for years after her TTC?  Taught in FTL during the
Merv wave?  Full lips and ...?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

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> Whoever said that has obviously never visited a
> good Chinese tonic herbalist. I knew such an
> herbalist once, who supplied tonic herbal teas 
> (including some that were rather powerful yang
> tonics) to the rich and famous. I once got to
> sample some of the tea he was brewing up for
> an order for Billy Idol and Mick Jagger. Had
> a hardon for three days. No joke. 

According to the Viagra commercials on TV here in the  The
Home of the Brave and the Free , any such condition which
lasts for me than 3 hours should immediately be reported to one's doctor.

"Dr. Jordan's answering service.  Would you state your condition so
the Doctor can get right back to you?  What's that you say?  You've had
a Purple Heart on for more than 3 hours?  Well, on behalf of a gratful
nation...".





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[FairfieldLife] Men and women (was Re: Yagna By Choice)

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the explanation. The women who saw
> this tape and actually believed it are free to
> search for men who share the same degree of
> gullibility. Me, I'll hold out for more.  :-)
>

Would someone please pull out the requirements for a bride of Ram Raj
again?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> No problem with it coming up. It's just a personal
> preference with me. I got so disgusted with the
> money-grubbing mentality of California women (espec-
> ially Southern California women) that I left the
> state, never to return. I think it's something in
> the water there. :-)
> 

I loved the "If you're straight or even bi I'm yours.  Take me, you
fool." mentality of SF, CA two decades ago.  I had to struggle with
offers to become a women's mister (I guess that's the masculine of
mistress in this context) about once a month.  Being treated like a
sex object was a bit uncomfortable, however.  It was rough but beat
out Tom's experience at 7 by a mile.  So who did I hook up with? 
Dawn, of the Age of Enlightenment who left me for a mere boy who
wanted to get married.  She died soon afterwards.  Hmm.  I seem to
have this effect upon women.  Any obscenely wealthy women wanting to
get married sans prenup?  It is said a man who marries for money earns
it.  With my batting average I wouldn't have to work that long to earn
it.  

Gallows humor to assuage the grief.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> 
> 
> According to Dr Kissinger, POWER is the greatest aphrodisiac.
> 
> L B S
>

Add to it a German accent that's pure affectation.  Henry's brother
has no accent.  I know a guy who went from talking like a Damned
Yankee to a Texan in just a few years but Henry hasn't learned to talk
like a Georgetown resident in 70 years.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

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> 
> 
> It has been said: "money is the greatest aphrodisiac."
>

But more often "power is the greatest aprhodisiac".  Don't get me
started on the J.A.P. jokes about what ends that lust.





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[FairfieldLife] Men and women (was Re: Yagna By Choice)

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> 
> I recall a videotape about the role of devotion in 
> culturing god consciousness. MMY said that if both 
> husband and wife worked, each would be too spent 
> at day's end to devote themselves to the marriage. 
> One person would need to be fresh. I saw this on a 
> men-only course. I imagine the women -- or the 
> ladies, as one says in the TMO -- saw the same tape.
>

MMY never had any kids to mother through out the day, did he?  "A man
doth work from sun to sun but a women's work is never done" is no less
true now than it was two centuries ago.  Then God created soccer moms.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "L B Shriver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Sad story.  Laura worked with me in the Western
> > Regional Office in L.A. for a while.  Sweet lady.
> > May she have a speedy and pleasant trip through
> > the Bardo, and end up in a dimension that is closed
> > to pissants like the ones who drove her out of Austin.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Amen and Bon Voyage. We love you Laura.
> 
> L B S

And all of us in different ways.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'

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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Sincerity is in the eye of the beholder, as you well know. Now run 
> > along and accuse someone else, if it makes you feel any better...
> >
> 
> Yes.  Thank you Dr. Lechter.  I get it.  With fava beans and a good
> chianti.  Thank you for revealing who you are and what you're made 
of,
> Dr. Lechter.
>

Oooops. I take that back. Sorry. I apologize profusely. I was really 
feeling mean and insecure and took a jab at you. Won't happen again. 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks for the clarification.  No flames.
> 
> Having spent far too much time in California, around
> women who literally talked in terms of having a 
> "prosperous first marriage," so that they never had
> to work a day in their lives, I'm a bit sensitive to
> female money-grubbing.  :-)
>

Being a guy every once in a while, I can understand the concept of
money grubbing.  There's a famous country singer who announced two
decades ago that he's given up on marriage.  He's found it much easier
on the psyche every few years to go and buy a house and give it to a
woman he can't stand.  

Perhaps you should spend some time working out with the guys, 
showering with them and sharing a few beers afterwards.  If you
thought Tom appeared to have some unflattering things to say about
women and their motives...

Quite seriously, there was a mad rush in places like Dallas by ladies
who had come back from Governor Training to get the best rising sidha
man with an income.  Tom was accosted by a Governor who's name sounded
like and who looked like she was a Blackfoot Indian but was in fact of
Welch extraction.  She married a real geek who worked at TI because
the man she had had a couple of enjoyable walk and talks with on a CAC
prep course in Forrestburg, TX insulted her and all of Governer- and
Women-kind by not proposing to her on the spot.  Here he was cute,
witty, charming, gentlemanly and prosperous and she had to settle for
second best because Tom left her at the alter during one of those walk
and talks.  Tom's head still reels when he remembers the rage directed
at him by the woman he unknowingly and unwittingly ??jilted??. 
Perhaps what every other women has told Tom is right:  men are boys
who never grow up and unsensitive louts to boot.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'

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> Sincerity is in the eye of the beholder, as you well know. Now run 
> along and accuse someone else, if it makes you feel any better...
>

Yes.  Thank you Dr. Lechter.  I get it.  With fava beans and a good
chianti.  Thank you for revealing who you are and what you're made of,
Dr. Lechter.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sad story.  Laura worked with me in the Western
> Regional Office in L.A. for a while.  Sweet lady.
> May she have a speedy and pleasant trip through
> the Bardo, and end up in a dimension that is closed
> to pissants like the ones who drove her out of Austin.
> 
> Unc
> 
So life is not a bowl of cherries for all of us and a little charity
and love instead of the constant grand slam this group is noted for is
sometimes appropriate, be the poster sweet or not?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Dec 8, 2005, at 7:20 AM, anonymousff wrote:
> 
> > Had he
> > been a foster child, his ability to attach, ability to love and
> > intellect would not have made him a horror but a joy to have, love and
> > hold.
> 
> I don't know that that would be the case. My one child, we were his  
> 12th home by the age of 5 and he was not removed from his family of  
> origin till he was 2. In a child like that, all they have to do is  
> act out till the system moves them; and they move from house to house  
> to house. again and again and again.
> 
> I know one women who was in over 85 foster placements. She did  
> recover but not until after long term placement in one of two long  
> term attachment facilities in the country. We need more.
>


You're obsessed with this foster home thing, aren't you?  Foster home
was never an issues or an option where this child grew up.  Family
took in a child when his or her parents died.  Try to imagine that
life is not organized nor every nook and crany of the world
constructed the way you've experienced it nor make your practice in it
for just amoment.  

The child grew up in a nice surburban/collegate but not affluent area
where the system and foster homes didn't exist.  Children were cared
for by every neighbor and relative.  If your nose was running, a
neighbor handed you a hanky and told you to blow.
If it was lunch time, they called your mom, told you were there
and asked if it was OK to have the child eat with the family.  If your
shoe laces were untied and you didn't quite have the knack of it, a
stranger would do the honors.  People just didn't get involved in the
"discipline" of a child, which is what people considered this case to
be.  It was a different time, a different place.

The entire world is not the ghetto and there still are places where
charity begins and ends next door.  

The neighbor's wife died very young of pneumonia after an illness that
lasted all of 24 hours.  The neighbors women visited on a rotation
basis to raise the children and console and feed the husband.  No kidding.






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