Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
On Dec 12, 2005, at 3:02 AM, Robert Gimbel wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Dec 10, 2005, at 1:35 PM, cardemaister wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Dec 10, 2005, at 3:14 AM, cardemaister wrote: Maybe I read a bad translation! Well, as a semi-devoted TMer, I like to read Sanskrit texts from TM POV. Here's yet another tranlation for "lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham": 18. Translation - Enjoying Samadhi is like enjoying the world. Exposition - When established in pure thought and having achieved self-realization, one knows the conscious void that supports the entire world. Subsequent to the knowledge of conscious void that manifests and retains the visible world on the support of visible body, there remains no difference between so-called worldly pleasures and the delight of samadhi. This is because the basic cause that is manifested and is experienced in both is one and the same – the awakened consciousness. -- But for that kind of translation I would expect some modifier in the suutra like "like" - "iva" [ee-vah]: lokaananda [BTW: loka + aananda] iva samaadhi-sukham The shiva-sutra was the first major translation I worked on after the YS. samaadhi-sukham is the bliss inherent in constant mindfulness of knowing-the-Self. Samadhi does not mean meditative absorption but refers to mindfulness of the Self in all objects. The word loka therefore in this context refers to the multitude of "objects" available in any dimension. It is said that the following verse from the vijnanabhairava clarifies this verse: "One should regard the whole world or his own body as full of the delight inherent in the Self. Simultaneously (with his world- view) he will find himself full of the highest delight which is simply due to the soma welling up in in Self." Kshmereraja in his comment on this verse, rearranges the order thusly: samaadhi-sukham lokaanandaH It works in both directions: delight of knowing Self in objects infuses delight in living beings. Here's yet another translation, from sanskrit.gde.to -site, that seems to be erroneous: 1.18 The bliss of the sight is the joy of samadhi. It's true that the root for 'loka', namely 'lok', means 'to see, behold', but despite that the noun 'loka' doesn't seem to have the meaning 'sight', whereas 'loka' with the prefix 'aa' (aaloka) actually has 'sight' amongst its meanings. I had to rely heavily on enlightened teachers of this tradition in order to be able to translate most of the verses. The entire Trika seems like that. This reminds me of the same principle, of just staying "with the light" within, and 'feel' whatever it is; whether emotional, physical, and just stay with the feeling and bring light or attention to it. Just seems like any block in the system, is a block in the energy system, whether it be emotional, or physical, or whatever; The solution, is to bring awareness to it, as much as possible; Eckart Tolle, speaks of this in relation to 'healing the pain body', as he calls it. Which means just allowing 'Presence' or just witnessing from a place of light, tends to dissolve the heaviness or stuckness.. 'Feeling the universal energy flowing through the body; notice where it may be tight or stuck, and just be with the feeling; see what images or release comes.. Don't mentalize the process, just keep it on an energy/feeling level. From my experience, however strong I feel 'presence' or pure consciousness, in my awareness, then that's how strong the influence of healing feels; So, the essence is the ability to maintain the 'light within' And however bright this light within becomes, That is how healing or all-pervasive it feels to BE. R.G. For me it highlights how and why a Master in Unity can transmit that state to others--all objects are reflections in the mirror of his or her consciousness. It's spontaneously obvious how to get the ripe student to share in that experience. If the student can maintain what the teacher transmits, they are enlightened in an instant. If not, they fall out of this upaya (method) and must rely on one of the other two upayas the Shiva-sutra details. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 10, 2005, at 1:35 PM, cardemaister wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Dec 10, 2005, at 3:14 AM, cardemaister wrote: > >> > > Maybe I read a bad translation! > >>> > >>> Well, as a semi-devoted TMer, I like to read > >>> Sanskrit texts from TM POV. Here's yet another tranlation > >>> for "lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham": > >>> > >>> 18. > >>> Translation - Enjoying Samadhi is like enjoying the world. > >>> Exposition - When established in pure thought and having achieved > >>> self-realization, one knows the conscious void that supports the > >>> entire world. Subsequent to the knowledge of conscious void that > >>> manifests and retains the visible world on the support of visible > >>> body, there remains no difference between so-called worldly > > pleasures > >>> and the delight of samadhi. This is because the basic cause that > > is > >>> manifested and is experienced in both is one and the same the > >>> awakened consciousness. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> But for that kind of translation I would expect some modifier > >>> in the suutra like "like" - "iva" [ee-vah]: > >>> > >>> lokaananda [BTW: loka + aananda] iva samaadhi-sukham > >> > >> The shiva-sutra was the first major translation I worked on after > > the > >> YS. > >> > >> samaadhi-sukham is the bliss inherent in constant mindfulness of > >> knowing-the-Self. Samadhi does not mean meditative absorption but > >> refers to mindfulness of the Self in all objects. The word loka > >> therefore in this context refers to the multitude of "objects" > >> available in any dimension. > >> > >> It is said that the following verse from the vijnanabhairava > >> clarifies this verse: > >> > >> "One should regard the whole world or his own body as full of the > >> delight inherent in the Self. Simultaneously (with his world- view) > > he > >> will find himself full of the highest delight which is simply due > > to > >> the soma welling up in in Self." > >> > >> Kshmereraja in his comment on this verse, rearranges the order > > thusly: > >> > >> samaadhi-sukham lokaanandaH > >> > >> It works in both directions: delight of knowing Self in objects > >> infuses delight in living beings. > >> > > > > Here's yet another translation, from sanskrit.gde.to -site, > > that seems to be erroneous: > > > > 1.18 The bliss of the sight is the joy of samadhi. > > > > It's true that the root for 'loka', namely 'lok', means > > 'to see, behold', but despite that the noun 'loka' doesn't > > seem to have the meaning 'sight', whereas 'loka' with the > > prefix 'aa' (aaloka) actually has 'sight' amongst its meanings. > > I had to rely heavily on enlightened teachers of this tradition in > order to be able to translate most of the verses. The entire Trika > seems like that. > This reminds me of the same principle, of just staying "with the light" within, and 'feel' whatever it is; whether emotional, physical, and just stay with the feeling and bring light or attention to it. Just seems like any block in the system, is a block in the energy system, whether it be emotional, or physical, or whatever; The solution, is to bring awareness to it, as much as possible; Eckart Tolle, speaks of this in relation to 'healing the pain body', as he calls it. Which means just allowing 'Presence' or just witnessing from a place of light, tends to dissolve the heaviness or stuckness.. 'Feeling the universal energy flowing through the body; notice where it may be tight or stuck, and just be with the feeling; see what images or release comes.. Don't mentalize the process, just keep it on an energy/feeling level. >From my experience, however strong I feel 'presence' or pure consciousness, in my awareness, then that's how strong the influence of healing feels; So, the essence is the ability to maintain the 'light within' And however bright this light within becomes, That is how healing or all-pervasive it feels to BE. R.G. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
On Dec 10, 2005, at 5:49 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:Tom T; Shiva Sutras Translated by Sage Vasugupta 1.18. His being in the ecstatic state of samadhi bestows bliss and happiness to the whole humanity or the totality of enjoyment in the universe constitutes (or comprises) his ecstatic state of samadhi. Vasugupta was the discoverer of the sutras--so he did not translate them into English. This was in the 8th or 9th century dude... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
cardemaister writes snipped: Here's yet another translation, from sanskrit.gde.to -site, that seems to be erroneous: 1.18 The bliss of the sight is the joy of samadhi. It's true that the root for 'loka', namely 'lok', means 'to see, behold', but despite that the noun 'loka' doesn't seem to have the meaning 'sight', whereas 'loka' with the prefix 'aa' (aaloka) actually has 'sight' amongst its meanings. Tom T; Shiva Sutras Translated by Sage Vasugupta 1.18. His being in the ecstatic state of samadhi bestows bliss and happiness to the whole humanity or the totality of enjoyment in the universe constitutes (or comprises) his ecstatic state of samadhi. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
On Dec 10, 2005, at 1:35 PM, cardemaister wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Dec 10, 2005, at 3:14 AM, cardemaister wrote: Maybe I read a bad translation! Well, as a semi-devoted TMer, I like to read Sanskrit texts from TM POV. Here's yet another tranlation for "lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham": 18. Translation - Enjoying Samadhi is like enjoying the world. Exposition - When established in pure thought and having achieved self-realization, one knows the conscious void that supports the entire world. Subsequent to the knowledge of conscious void that manifests and retains the visible world on the support of visible body, there remains no difference between so-called worldly pleasures and the delight of samadhi. This is because the basic cause that is manifested and is experienced in both is one and the same – the awakened consciousness. -- But for that kind of translation I would expect some modifier in the suutra like "like" - "iva" [ee-vah]: lokaananda [BTW: loka + aananda] iva samaadhi-sukham The shiva-sutra was the first major translation I worked on after the YS. samaadhi-sukham is the bliss inherent in constant mindfulness of knowing-the-Self. Samadhi does not mean meditative absorption but refers to mindfulness of the Self in all objects. The word loka therefore in this context refers to the multitude of "objects" available in any dimension. It is said that the following verse from the vijnanabhairava clarifies this verse: "One should regard the whole world or his own body as full of the delight inherent in the Self. Simultaneously (with his world-view) he will find himself full of the highest delight which is simply due to the soma welling up in in Self." Kshmereraja in his comment on this verse, rearranges the order thusly: samaadhi-sukham lokaanandaH It works in both directions: delight of knowing Self in objects infuses delight in living beings. Here's yet another translation, from sanskrit.gde.to -site, that seems to be erroneous: 1.18 The bliss of the sight is the joy of samadhi. It's true that the root for 'loka', namely 'lok', means 'to see, behold', but despite that the noun 'loka' doesn't seem to have the meaning 'sight', whereas 'loka' with the prefix 'aa' (aaloka) actually has 'sight' amongst its meanings. I had to rely heavily on enlightened teachers of this tradition in order to be able to translate most of the verses. The entire Trika seems like that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Dec 10, 2005, at 3:14 AM, cardemaister wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > >> Maybe I read a bad translation! > > > > > > > > Well, as a semi-devoted TMer, I like to read > > > > Sanskrit texts from TM POV. Here's yet another tranlation > > > > for "lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham": > > > > > > > > 18. > > > > Translation - Enjoying Samadhi is like enjoying the world. > > > > Exposition - When established in pure thought and having > achieved > > > > self-realization, one knows the conscious void that supports the > > > > entire world. Subsequent to the knowledge of conscious void that > > > > manifests and retains the visible world on the support of > visible > > > > body, there remains no difference between so-called worldly > > pleasures > > > > and the delight of samadhi. This is because the basic cause > that > > is > > > > manifested and is experienced in both is one and the same the > > > > awakened consciousness. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > But for that kind of translation I would expect some modifier > > > > in the suutra like "like" - "iva" [ee-vah]: > > > > > > > > lokaananda [BTW: loka + aananda] iva samaadhi-sukham > > > > > > The shiva-sutra was the first major translation I worked on after > > the > > > YS. > > > > > > samaadhi-sukham is the bliss inherent in constant mindfulness of > > > knowing-the-Self. Samadhi does not mean meditative absorption > but > > > refers to mindfulness of the Self in all objects. The word loka > > > therefore in this context refers to the multitude of "objects" > > > available in any dimension. > > > > > > It is said that the following verse from the vijnanabhairava > > > clarifies this verse: > > > > > > "One should regard the whole world or his own body as full of > the > > > delight inherent in the Self. Simultaneously (with his world- > view) > > he > > > will find himself full of the highest delight which is simply due > > to > > > the soma welling up in in Self." > > > > > > Kshmereraja in his comment on this verse, rearranges the order > > thusly: > > > > > > samaadhi-sukham lokaanandaH > > > > > > It works in both directions: delight of knowing Self in objects > > > infuses delight in living beings. > > > > > > > Here's yet another translation, from sanskrit.gde.to -site, > > that seems to be erroneous: > > > > 1.18 The bliss of the sight is the joy of samadhi. > > > > It's true that the root for 'loka', namely 'lok', means > > 'to see, behold', but despite that the noun 'loka' doesn't > > seem to have the meaning 'sight', whereas 'loka' with the > > prefix 'aa' (aaloka) actually has 'sight' amongst its meanings. > > > > The bliss of the perceived (objects of perception) is the joy of > samadhi... > BTW, the 14 suutras before the suutra-paaTha "proper" of PaaNini's grammar, that enumerate Sanskrit phonemes, are also called Shiva suutras, aka Maheshvara suutras or Pratyaahaara suutras. Below is a nice(?)webpage about them for the mathematically minded. A simpleton like myself gets all confused with that kind of stuff http://www.languageinindia.com/feb2004/panini.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Dec 10, 2005, at 3:14 AM, cardemaister wrote: > > > > >> > > >> Maybe I read a bad translation! > > > > > > Well, as a semi-devoted TMer, I like to read > > > Sanskrit texts from TM POV. Here's yet another tranlation > > > for "lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham": > > > > > > 18. > > > Translation - Enjoying Samadhi is like enjoying the world. > > > Exposition - When established in pure thought and having achieved > > > self-realization, one knows the conscious void that supports the > > > entire world. Subsequent to the knowledge of conscious void that > > > manifests and retains the visible world on the support of visible > > > body, there remains no difference between so-called worldly > pleasures > > > and the delight of samadhi. This is because the basic cause that > is > > > manifested and is experienced in both is one and the same the > > > awakened consciousness. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > But for that kind of translation I would expect some modifier > > > in the suutra like "like" - "iva" [ee-vah]: > > > > > > lokaananda [BTW: loka + aananda] iva samaadhi-sukham > > > > The shiva-sutra was the first major translation I worked on after > the > > YS. > > > > samaadhi-sukham is the bliss inherent in constant mindfulness of > > knowing-the-Self. Samadhi does not mean meditative absorption but > > refers to mindfulness of the Self in all objects. The word loka > > therefore in this context refers to the multitude of "objects" > > available in any dimension. > > > > It is said that the following verse from the vijnanabhairava > > clarifies this verse: > > > > "One should regard the whole world or his own body as full of the > > delight inherent in the Self. Simultaneously (with his world- view) > he > > will find himself full of the highest delight which is simply due > to > > the soma welling up in in Self." > > > > Kshmereraja in his comment on this verse, rearranges the order > thusly: > > > > samaadhi-sukham lokaanandaH > > > > It works in both directions: delight of knowing Self in objects > > infuses delight in living beings. > > > > Here's yet another translation, from sanskrit.gde.to -site, > that seems to be erroneous: > > 1.18 The bliss of the sight is the joy of samadhi. > > It's true that the root for 'loka', namely 'lok', means > 'to see, behold', but despite that the noun 'loka' doesn't > seem to have the meaning 'sight', whereas 'loka' with the > prefix 'aa' (aaloka) actually has 'sight' amongst its meanings. > The bliss of the perceived (objects of perception) is the joy of samadhi... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 10, 2005, at 3:14 AM, cardemaister wrote: > > >> > >> Maybe I read a bad translation! > > > > Well, as a semi-devoted TMer, I like to read > > Sanskrit texts from TM POV. Here's yet another tranlation > > for "lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham": > > > > 18. > > Translation - Enjoying Samadhi is like enjoying the world. > > Exposition - When established in pure thought and having achieved > > self-realization, one knows the conscious void that supports the > > entire world. Subsequent to the knowledge of conscious void that > > manifests and retains the visible world on the support of visible > > body, there remains no difference between so-called worldly pleasures > > and the delight of samadhi. This is because the basic cause that is > > manifested and is experienced in both is one and the same the > > awakened consciousness. > > > > -- > > > > But for that kind of translation I would expect some modifier > > in the suutra like "like" - "iva" [ee-vah]: > > > > lokaananda [BTW: loka + aananda] iva samaadhi-sukham > > The shiva-sutra was the first major translation I worked on after the > YS. > > samaadhi-sukham is the bliss inherent in constant mindfulness of > knowing-the-Self. Samadhi does not mean meditative absorption but > refers to mindfulness of the Self in all objects. The word loka > therefore in this context refers to the multitude of "objects" > available in any dimension. > > It is said that the following verse from the vijnanabhairava > clarifies this verse: > > "One should regard the whole world or his own body as full of the > delight inherent in the Self. Simultaneously (with his world-view) he > will find himself full of the highest delight which is simply due to > the soma welling up in in Self." > > Kshmereraja in his comment on this verse, rearranges the order thusly: > > samaadhi-sukham lokaanandaH > > It works in both directions: delight of knowing Self in objects > infuses delight in living beings. > Here's yet another translation, from sanskrit.gde.to -site, that seems to be erroneous: 1.18 The bliss of the sight is the joy of samadhi. It's true that the root for 'loka', namely 'lok', means 'to see, behold', but despite that the noun 'loka' doesn't seem to have the meaning 'sight', whereas 'loka' with the prefix 'aa' (aaloka) actually has 'sight' amongst its meanings. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
On Dec 10, 2005, at 3:14 AM, cardemaister wrote: Maybe I read a bad translation! Well, as a semi-devoted TMer, I like to read Sanskrit texts from TM POV. Here's yet another tranlation for "lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham": 18. Translation - Enjoying Samadhi is like enjoying the world. Exposition - When established in pure thought and having achieved self-realization, one knows the conscious void that supports the entire world. Subsequent to the knowledge of conscious void that manifests and retains the visible world on the support of visible body, there remains no difference between so-called worldly pleasures and the delight of samadhi. This is because the basic cause that is manifested and is experienced in both is one and the same – the awakened consciousness. -- But for that kind of translation I would expect some modifier in the suutra like "like" - "iva" [ee-vah]: lokaananda [BTW: loka + aananda] iva samaadhi-sukham The shiva-sutra was the first major translation I worked on after the YS.samaadhi-sukham is the bliss inherent in constant mindfulness of knowing-the-Self. Samadhi does not mean meditative absorption but refers to mindfulness of the Self in all objects. The word loka therefore in this context refers to the multitude of "objects" available in any dimension.It is said that the following verse from the vijnanabhairava clarifies this verse:"One should regard the whole world or his own body as full of the delight inherent in the Self. Simultaneously (with his world-view) he will find himself full of the highest delight which is simply due to the soma welling up in in Self."Kshmereraja in his comment on this verse, rearranges the order thusly:samaadhi-sukham lokaanandaH It works in both directions: delight of knowing Self in objects infuses delight in living beings. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > The Shiva Sutras have a sloka(?) that specifically > > > > states that you become realized only through your own > > > > effort, nothing else. > > > > > > Another one o' them pair-of-oxes: > > > > > > Before liberation or the full sunshine of the Self in Unity, or > > > pick your own description, we pray and exhort Gods, Godesses, and > > > the saints and Masters to deliver us from our suffering. > > > Afterwards, we are delighted we did it all by our Selves! > > > > As I was reading the first sentence, I thought you > > were going to finish by saying, "Afterwards, we are > > delighted to find that every one of them was just > > our Self all along!" > > > > > Again, looking back it seems absurd that such a duality of > > > deliverance from our ignorance by someone or someGod else would > be > > > preferred. After all, if we don't do it by ourselves, we can't > > > really know exactly what we have done, and by extension would > > > hypothetically remain in ignorance... > > > > Nah. We *do* know exactly what we have done: we have > > appealed to aspects of our very own Self. From the > > perspective of enlightenment--I would assume--there's > > no way we can do it *other* than by ourselves. > > > > Isn't there something in the gita about the Self unfolding the Self > or somesuch? The self healing the self; There's a book I am reading now, called, "Ask and It Is Given" by Esther and Jerry Hicks. Has been helpful to me lately; In that recognizing thoughts which lead you to feelings of happiness; and also, recognizing thoughts which seem to lead you away from feeling of Joy. It is a way to practice, remembering that we have a perfect indicator inside, which we forget to use; Which immediately tells us in every situation, and with every thought; Whether we feel happy or moving toward our "Source Energy" or a feeling that we are moving away from source energy. If everything in the universe is based on vibration; Pain and emotional trauma, must be a "lower vibration" which we have attracted to us, or taken upon ourselves. By raising our vibration, back to our originally self, which know bliss and joy, our child self, our soul self, we release the lower energy from our energy field, and based on a higher vibratory energy, we begin to attract the fulfillment of the desires which bring happiness and joy. R.G. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Maybe I read a bad translation!
Well, as a semi-devoted TMer, I like to read
Sanskrit texts from TM POV. Here's yet another tranlation
for "lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham":
18.
Translation - Enjoying Samadhi is like enjoying the world.
Exposition - When established in pure thought and having achieved
self-realization, one knows the conscious void that supports the
entire world. Subsequent to the knowledge of conscious void that
manifests and retains the visible world on the support of visible
body, there remains no difference between so-called worldly pleasures
and the delight of samadhi. This is because the basic cause that is
manifested and is experienced in both is one and the same the
awakened consciousness.
--
But for that kind of translation I would expect some modifier
in the suutra like "like" - "iva" [ee-vah]:
lokaananda [BTW: loka + aananda] iva samaadhi-sukham
>
> --- cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "jim_flanegin"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > The Shiva Sutras
> >
> > Just happened to find a PDFile of Shiva-suutras on
> > my
> > Desktop. Suutra I 18 might refer to
> > ("bidirectional")M-effect:
> >
> > lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham (his bliss of samaadhi
> > is [a cause
> > of?] happiness of the world - or vice versa: in
> > Sanskrit
> > word order is rather free, so both "samaadhi-sukham"
> > and
> > "lokaanandaH" can be considered the subject or
> > topic, or whatever).
> >
> >
> >
> > have a sloka(?) that specifically
> > > > > states that you become realized only through
> > your own
> > > > > effort, nothing else.
> >
> > Perhaps II 2: pra_yatnaH saadhakaH ??
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > Another one o' them pair-of-oxes:
> > > >
> > > > Before liberation or the full sunshine of the
> > Self in Unity, or
> > > > pick your own description, we pray and exhort
> > Gods, Godesses, and
> > > > the saints and Masters to deliver us from our
> > suffering.
> > > > Afterwards, we are delighted we did it all by
> > our Selves!
> > >
> > > As I was reading the first sentence, I thought you
> > > were going to finish by saying, "Afterwards, we
> > are
> > > delighted to find that every one of them was just
> > > our Self all along!"
> > >
> > > > Again, looking back it seems absurd that such a
> > duality of
> > > > deliverance from our ignorance by someone or
> > someGod else would
> > be
> > > > preferred. After all, if we don't do it by
> > ourselves, we can't
> > > > really know exactly what we have done, and by
> > extension would
> > > > hypothetically remain in ignorance...
> > >
> > > Nah. We *do* know exactly what we have done: we
> > have
> > > appealed to aspects of our very own Self. From
> > the
> > > perspective of enlightenment--I would
> > assume--there's
> > > no way we can do it *other* than by ourselves.
> > >
> >
> >
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
Dr Pete: writes The Shiva Sutras have a sloka(?) that specifically states that you become realized only through your own effort, nothing else. Tom T: from the shiva sutras as posted here two years ago by Michael Goodman Shiva Sutras Translated by Sage Vasugupta First Awakening 1. Universal Consciousness is one's own nature. (Swami Lakshmanjoo: Supreme consciousness is the reality of everything.) 2. Knowing the individual consciousness as one's own nature and not knowing the Universal Consciousness as one's own nature is bondage. (Swami Lakshmanjoo: Knowing differentiatedly is bondage and not knowing undifferentiatedly is bondage.) 3. Differentiated perception and the field of individual activities are also bondage. [Editor's note: #2 & #3 seem to refer to rishi, devatta, and chhandas in their non-samhita, differentiated, individual state.] (Swami Lakshmanjoo: Mayiyamala and karmamala are also bondage.) [Mayiyamala = yonivargah, differentiated knowledge, intellectual dis- crimination between pairs of opposites.Karmamala = kalashariram, the embodiment of action as separate action.] 4. This threefold bondage is attributable to and commanded by the Universal Mother while She remains unknown. Hence the field of ignorance comes into existence through Her and not through any other agency. (Swami Lakshmanjoo: The Universal Mother commands this triple knowledge.) 5. To get rid of this triple bondage, such effort constitutes (the) means,which is identical with Bhairava [Lord Shiva]. (Swami Lakshmanjoo: That effort, the flashing forth of active awareness that instantaneously makes universal consciousness shine, is Bhairava.) 6. With deep contemplation on the wheel of energies, the whole differentiated universe comes to an end. [Editor: Transcendental Consciousness.] (Swami Lakshmanjoo: By establishing and meditating on the wheel of energiesthe differentiated universe comes to an end.) 7. Such a yogi, who has accomplished this stage, experiences Turiya (Tran-scendental God Consciousness) in the other three states also - jagrat (wake-fulness), swapna (dream) and sushupti (deep sleep). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > The Shiva Sutras
>
> Just happened to find a PDFile of Shiva-suutras on my
> Desktop. Suutra I 18 might refer to ("bidirectional")M-effect:
>
> lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham (his bliss of samaadhi is [a cause
> of?] happiness of the world - or vice versa: in Sanskrit
> word order is rather free, so both "samaadhi-sukham" and
> "lokaanandaH" can be considered the subject or topic, or whatever).
>
Well that is heartening to hear. It isn't something I really ever
think about, because I am never aware of it- this bidirectional
effect of enlightenment. It makes sense though, that as we realize
the world and ourselves as One, that all of those false boundaries
between us and 'them' are dissolved, and in a profound way, service
to the world is rendered; the world is more easily able to know
itslef and thus more easily fulfill its purpose. That must account
for all the 'support of Nature' we experience after enlightenment.
As you sow, etc. Though as I said I rarely if ever give it a second
thought.
Perhaps the elimination of boundaries renders the world as were are
to such an extent it is seamless. I was buying chocolates in a
chocolate store today and I remarked to the woman behind the counter
that the store smelled so good. Then I asked her if she could smell
it after being there all day, and she said no. Then she added that
even when she gets there in the morning and walks in, it no longer
smells like chocolate. Same thing.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
Maybe I read a bad translation!
--- cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "jim_flanegin"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > The Shiva Sutras
>
> Just happened to find a PDFile of Shiva-suutras on
> my
> Desktop. Suutra I 18 might refer to
> ("bidirectional")M-effect:
>
> lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham (his bliss of samaadhi
> is [a cause
> of?] happiness of the world - or vice versa: in
> Sanskrit
> word order is rather free, so both "samaadhi-sukham"
> and
> "lokaanandaH" can be considered the subject or
> topic, or whatever).
>
>
>
> have a sloka(?) that specifically
> > > > states that you become realized only through
> your own
> > > > effort, nothing else.
>
> Perhaps II 2: pra_yatnaH saadhakaH ??
>
>
> > >
> > > Another one o' them pair-of-oxes:
> > >
> > > Before liberation or the full sunshine of the
> Self in Unity, or
> > > pick your own description, we pray and exhort
> Gods, Godesses, and
> > > the saints and Masters to deliver us from our
> suffering.
> > > Afterwards, we are delighted we did it all by
> our Selves!
> >
> > As I was reading the first sentence, I thought you
> > were going to finish by saying, "Afterwards, we
> are
> > delighted to find that every one of them was just
> > our Self all along!"
> >
> > > Again, looking back it seems absurd that such a
> duality of
> > > deliverance from our ignorance by someone or
> someGod else would
> be
> > > preferred. After all, if we don't do it by
> ourselves, we can't
> > > really know exactly what we have done, and by
> extension would
> > > hypothetically remain in ignorance...
> >
> > Nah. We *do* know exactly what we have done: we
> have
> > appealed to aspects of our very own Self. From
> the
> > perspective of enlightenment--I would
> assume--there's
> > no way we can do it *other* than by ourselves.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Agreed. I will say again that I thought it was a > brave thing for Tom > to openly post details of his childhood trauma. Such > an action can > sometimes be helpful for empowerment and to > destigmatize > victimizing event. > > However, instead of then taking a breath of fresh > air and getting on > with life, he squanders his equity by trashing > others. Aside from > finding it annoying and disruptive, it doesn't help > Tom in the > slightest. It is too bad. He's just caught-up in a repetition compulsion, evoking ire from people with his constant needling and then when they unload on him, like I did this morning, he claims he is totally innocent and is being unfairly victimized. Even his post regarding his abuse was completely inappropriate and used to, I guess, evoke sympathy for him. Notice how he paints people in a broad brush as villians who exploit him, the weak innocent victim. He does this over and over again and refuses any responsibility for these dysfunctional exchanges. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne > Moore. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > The Shiva Sutras
Just happened to find a PDFile of Shiva-suutras on my
Desktop. Suutra I 18 might refer to ("bidirectional")M-effect:
lokaanandaH samaadhi-sukham (his bliss of samaadhi is [a cause
of?] happiness of the world - or vice versa: in Sanskrit
word order is rather free, so both "samaadhi-sukham" and
"lokaanandaH" can be considered the subject or topic, or whatever).
have a sloka(?) that specifically
> > > states that you become realized only through your own
> > > effort, nothing else.
Perhaps II 2: pra_yatnaH saadhakaH ??
> >
> > Another one o' them pair-of-oxes:
> >
> > Before liberation or the full sunshine of the Self in Unity, or
> > pick your own description, we pray and exhort Gods, Godesses, and
> > the saints and Masters to deliver us from our suffering.
> > Afterwards, we are delighted we did it all by our Selves!
>
> As I was reading the first sentence, I thought you
> were going to finish by saying, "Afterwards, we are
> delighted to find that every one of them was just
> our Self all along!"
>
> > Again, looking back it seems absurd that such a duality of
> > deliverance from our ignorance by someone or someGod else would
be
> > preferred. After all, if we don't do it by ourselves, we can't
> > really know exactly what we have done, and by extension would
> > hypothetically remain in ignorance...
>
> Nah. We *do* know exactly what we have done: we have
> appealed to aspects of our very own Self. From the
> perspective of enlightenment--I would assume--there's
> no way we can do it *other* than by ourselves.
>
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > The Shiva Sutras have a sloka(?) that specifically > > > states that you become realized only through your own > > > effort, nothing else. > > > > Another one o' them pair-of-oxes: > > > > Before liberation or the full sunshine of the Self in Unity, or > > pick your own description, we pray and exhort Gods, Godesses, and > > the saints and Masters to deliver us from our suffering. > > Afterwards, we are delighted we did it all by our Selves! > > As I was reading the first sentence, I thought you > were going to finish by saying, "Afterwards, we are > delighted to find that every one of them was just > our Self all along!" > > > Again, looking back it seems absurd that such a duality of > > deliverance from our ignorance by someone or someGod else would be > > preferred. After all, if we don't do it by ourselves, we can't > > really know exactly what we have done, and by extension would > > hypothetically remain in ignorance... > > Nah. We *do* know exactly what we have done: we have > appealed to aspects of our very own Self. From the > perspective of enlightenment--I would assume--there's > no way we can do it *other* than by ourselves. > Isn't there something in the gita about the Self unfolding the Self or somesuch? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > However, instead of then taking a breath of fresh air and getting on > with life, he squanders his equity by trashing others. Aside from > finding it annoying and disruptive, it doesn't help Tom in the > slightest. > Which is why I originally questioned the concept that itwas *always* good to open up and discuss such things. Deliberately waking the sleeping elephants (to use MMY's unstressing metaphor) may not be a good idea if you don't know where the exit is and don't have a guide to get you past the ensuing stampede. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > The Shiva Sutras have a sloka(?) that specifically > > > states that you become realized only through your own > > > effort, nothing else. > > > > Another one o' them pair-of-oxes: > > > > Before liberation or the full sunshine of the Self in Unity, or > > pick your own description, we pray and exhort Gods, Godesses, and > > the saints and Masters to deliver us from our suffering. > > Afterwards, we are delighted we did it all by our Selves! > > As I was reading the first sentence, I thought you > were going to finish by saying, "Afterwards, we are > delighted to find that every one of them was just > our Self all along!" Yep. Thanks, That is probably more accurate. > > > Again, looking back it seems absurd that such a duality of > > deliverance from our ignorance by someone or someGod else would be > > preferred. After all, if we don't do it by ourselves, we can't > > really know exactly what we have done, and by extension would > > hypothetically remain in ignorance... > > Nah. We *do* know exactly what we have done: we have > appealed to aspects of our very own Self. From the > perspective of enlightenment--I would assume--there's > no way we can do it *other* than by ourselves. > Yep. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > The Shiva Sutras have a sloka(?) that specifically > > states that you become realized only through your own > > effort, nothing else. > > Another one o' them pair-of-oxes: > > Before liberation or the full sunshine of the Self in Unity, or > pick your own description, we pray and exhort Gods, Godesses, and > the saints and Masters to deliver us from our suffering. > Afterwards, we are delighted we did it all by our Selves! As I was reading the first sentence, I thought you were going to finish by saying, "Afterwards, we are delighted to find that every one of them was just our Self all along!" > Again, looking back it seems absurd that such a duality of > deliverance from our ignorance by someone or someGod else would be > preferred. After all, if we don't do it by ourselves, we can't > really know exactly what we have done, and by extension would > hypothetically remain in ignorance... Nah. We *do* know exactly what we have done: we have appealed to aspects of our very own Self. From the perspective of enlightenment--I would assume--there's no way we can do it *other* than by ourselves. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What do you guys think is the connection between > the individual and collective consciousness? Here we go with another paradox. Once the illusion of seperation is largely dispelled as a result of identification with the Self, there really is no individual vs collective consciousness. So we act walk and talk like individuals, and operate as such because we each have our own physical bodies, and it is the practical material thing to do, but it is upon closer examination, not ultimately real. As an experiment, when we close our eyes, we expand to Infinity through silence, and when we open our eyes, we also expand to Infinity through the action of the senses. In both directions and in both cases, infinity is the end result. So there may appear to be a surface construct of individual vs collective consciousness, but the reality is forever a union of the two, a oneness, a singularity, where the actual boundary between 'me' and 'you' cannot be located. I've > often felt that my individual evolution is in thrall > to the collective, just as my income usually depends > on the larger economy. > > Your remarks below consider only individual power, > independent of collective consciousness. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
What do you guys think is the connection between the individual and collective consciousness? I've often felt that my individual evolution is in thrall to the collective, just as my income usually depends on the larger economy. Your remarks below consider only individual power, independent of collective consciousness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > But it's our work to do as > > > > > individuals--you can't > > > > > really outsource your own sadhana to India. > > > > > > > > Very wise words. > > > > > > I noticed that, too. Nor, IMO, can you outsource > > > them to a guru or a spiritual tradition to do > > > "for you." We got ourselves into this karmic > > > mess ( or illusion of a mess, if you prefer ), and > > > we have to get ourselves out ( or realize that there > > > was never anything to get out of, again if you > > > prefer :-). > > > > The Shiva Sutras have a sloka(?) that specifically > > states that you become realized only through your own > > effort, nothing else. > > > > Another one o' them pair-of-oxes: > > Before liberation or the full sunshine of the Self in Unity, or pick > your own description, we pray and exhort Gods, Godesses, and the > saints and Masters to deliver us from our suffering. Afterwards, we > are delighted we did it all by our Selves! > > Again, looking back it seems absurd that such a duality of > deliverance from our ignorance by someone or someGod else would be > preferred. After all, if we don't do it by ourselves, we can't > really know exactly what we have done, and by extension would > hypothetically remain in ignorance... > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > But it's our work to do as > > > > individuals--you can't > > > > really outsource your own sadhana to India. > > > > > > Very wise words. > > > > I noticed that, too. Nor, IMO, can you outsource > > them to a guru or a spiritual tradition to do > > "for you." We got ourselves into this karmic > > mess ( or illusion of a mess, if you prefer ), and > > we have to get ourselves out ( or realize that there > > was never anything to get out of, again if you > > prefer :-). > > The Shiva Sutras have a sloka(?) that specifically > states that you become realized only through your own > effort, nothing else. > Another one o' them pair-of-oxes: Before liberation or the full sunshine of the Self in Unity, or pick your own description, we pray and exhort Gods, Godesses, and the saints and Masters to deliver us from our suffering. Afterwards, we are delighted we did it all by our Selves! Again, looking back it seems absurd that such a duality of deliverance from our ignorance by someone or someGod else would be preferred. After all, if we don't do it by ourselves, we can't really know exactly what we have done, and by extension would hypothetically remain in ignorance... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Comment below: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > **SNIP** > > > > Tom has arranged for a $50,000 legal retainer to sue > > Ben the lier. If Ben posts a fully apologitic statement in which he > > admits in every line that he, and not Tom was wrong and he apologizes > > for wrongfully accusing Tom for it in an unambiguous, convincing, > > non-finger pointing way, the suit will not be filed. Any hint that > > he's being insincere and Tom will see Ben in Court. If Ben posts > > anything to Fairfield life on any subject becept a convincing apology > > and agreement that he is a flake, the lawsuit against Ben will be > > filed and a few days later Ben will receive his subpoena. Tom doesn't > > want to stiffle Ben's freedom of speach. But he doesn't want to read > > the words of a lier who reprements himself as totally innocent of any > > wrong doing. The lawyers will prove otherwise. Tom has more money > > set aside for more prosecuition, counter suits and to fight malicious, > > frivilous law suits against him. He's also got every email Ben ever > > sent to him, notes of every phone conversation, every email he ever > > sent to Ben or others about Ben. Some of it will curl your hair. > > > **SNIP TO END** > > Tom, > > $50k is quite a large retainer to sue a private individual for > defamation and libel. And from what I've read of Ben's posts, and as > a lawyer (albeit one who doesn't get $50k retainers), I don't see how > you'd make a case. Your suit would likely be considered frivolous. > > Perhaps the people who have hurt you in your life did so because they > were radiating the hurt and ignorance in their own. To whatever > degree that is true, it certainly doesn't minimize or mitigate the > pain and suffering that you have endured and continue to wrestle with. > But the expansion of misery and suffering to others can't diminish or > resolve your own. I'm sure you know that. > > Why not use your legal fund to establish some foundation or project > that serves to alleviate suffering rather than increase it. If Ben is > the scoundrel you know him to be, why not let him reap the > consequences of his behavior without enmeshing you in it, too? If > Nature is due to deliver Ben the consequences of his bad karma you > don't have to volunteer to be the carrier of that karmic delivery. > > That's just a response to what you've written and, as you know from a > previous post of mine, I do not share your opinion of Ben. But, then > perhaps you know more of him than I. Or perhaps you're wrong in your > evaluation of his character. I don't know all the details (not do I > think it's necessary that I need to); but solely as a human being who > cares about others and prefers to see the expansion of happiness > rather than the converse, I'd ask you to consider this response to > your posting as a sincere and candid reaction from your environment to > what you are projecting into it. > > Thanks for taking the time to consider this. > > Marek > Bravo! Thank you- excellently stated! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: **SNIP** > > Tom has arranged for a $50,000 legal retainer to sue > Ben the lier. If Ben posts a fully apologitic statement in which he > admits in every line that he, and not Tom was wrong and he apologizes > for wrongfully accusing Tom for it in an unambiguous, convincing, > non-finger pointing way, the suit will not be filed. Any hint that > he's being insincere and Tom will see Ben in Court. If Ben posts > anything to Fairfield life on any subject becept a convincing apology > and agreement that he is a flake, the lawsuit against Ben will be > filed and a few days later Ben will receive his subpoena. Tom doesn't > want to stiffle Ben's freedom of speach. But he doesn't want to read > the words of a lier who reprements himself as totally innocent of any > wrong doing. The lawyers will prove otherwise. Tom has more money > set aside for more prosecuition, counter suits and to fight malicious, > frivilous law suits against him. He's also got every email Ben ever > sent to him, notes of every phone conversation, every email he ever > sent to Ben or others about Ben. Some of it will curl your hair. > **SNIP TO END** Tom, $50k is quite a large retainer to sue a private individual for defamation and libel. And from what I've read of Ben's posts, and as a lawyer (albeit one who doesn't get $50k retainers), I don't see how you'd make a case. Your suit would likely be considered frivolous. Perhaps the people who have hurt you in your life did so because they were radiating the hurt and ignorance in their own. To whatever degree that is true, it certainly doesn't minimize or mitigate the pain and suffering that you have endured and continue to wrestle with. But the expansion of misery and suffering to others can't diminish or resolve your own. I'm sure you know that. Why not use your legal fund to establish some foundation or project that serves to alleviate suffering rather than increase it. If Ben is the scoundrel you know him to be, why not let him reap the consequences of his behavior without enmeshing you in it, too? If Nature is due to deliver Ben the consequences of his bad karma you don't have to volunteer to be the carrier of that karmic delivery. That's just a response to what you've written and, as you know from a previous post of mine, I do not share your opinion of Ben. But, then perhaps you know more of him than I. Or perhaps you're wrong in your evaluation of his character. I don't know all the details (not do I think it's necessary that I need to); but solely as a human being who cares about others and prefers to see the expansion of happiness rather than the converse, I'd ask you to consider this response to your posting as a sincere and candid reaction from your environment to what you are projecting into it. Thanks for taking the time to consider this. Marek Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- lurkernomore20002000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Damning Tom once again. He's not a survivor who's > > getting over. > > He's > > > forever damned because his emotional development > > was arrested at > > the > > > time of > > abuse.. > > > > snip > > > > Yes, you're right. It's not polite to treat someone > > like a > > psychological specimen to be prodded and analyzed. > > Yet he does not > > read the posts, so I just speculated some. I would > > be interested to > > see an example of something which demonstrates > > slander or fraud on > > the part of Ben Collins(?). I mean everthing I've > > seen posted by > > Ben seemed pretty balanced. What am I missing or > > mis-interpreting. > > It sounds like there must be ample instances. > > Thanks. > > > > lurk > > Ample evidence supporting Tom's rage can be found in > his imagination. > Agreed. I will say again that I thought it was a brave thing for Tom to openly post details of his childhood trauma. Such an action can sometimes be helpful for empowerment and to destigmatize victimizing event. However, instead of then taking a breath of fresh air and getting on with life, he squanders his equity by trashing others. Aside from finding it annoying and disruptive, it doesn't help Tom in the slightest. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > But it's our work to do as > > > individuals--you can't > > > really outsource your own sadhana to India. > > > > Very wise words. > > I noticed that, too. Nor, IMO, can you outsource > them to a guru or a spiritual tradition to do > "for you." We got ourselves into this karmic > mess ( or illusion of a mess, if you prefer ), and > we have to get ourselves out ( or realize that there > was never anything to get out of, again if you > prefer :-). The Shiva Sutras have a sloka(?) that specifically states that you become realized only through your own effort, nothing else. > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for > Healthy Drug-Free Living. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > But it's our work to do as > > individuals--you can't > > really outsource your own sadhana to India. > > Very wise words. I noticed that, too. Nor, IMO, can you outsource them to a guru or a spiritual tradition to do "for you." We got ourselves into this karmic mess ( or illusion of a mess, if you prefer ), and we have to get ourselves out ( or realize that there was never anything to get out of, again if you prefer :-). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But it's our work to do as > individuals--you can't > really outsource your own sadhana to India. Very wise words. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- lurkernomore20002000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > Damning Tom once again. He's not a survivor who's > getting over. > He's > > forever damned because his emotional development > was arrested at > the > > time of > abuse.. > > snip > > Yes, you're right. It's not polite to treat someone > like a > psychological specimen to be prodded and analyzed. > Yet he does not > read the posts, so I just speculated some. I would > be interested to > see an example of something which demonstrates > slander or fraud on > the part of Ben Collins(?). I mean everthing I've > seen posted by > Ben seemed pretty balanced. What am I missing or > mis-interpreting. > It sounds like there must be ample instances. > Thanks. > > lurk Ample evidence supporting Tom's rage can be found in his imagination. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or > someone you know. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Damning Tom once again. He's not a survivor who's getting over. He's > forever damned because his emotional development was arrested at the > time of abuse.. snip Yes, you're right. It's not polite to treat someone like a psychological specimen to be prodded and analyzed. Yet he does not read the posts, so I just speculated some. I would be interested to see an example of something which demonstrates slander or fraud on the part of Ben Collins(?). I mean everthing I've seen posted by Ben seemed pretty balanced. What am I missing or mis-interpreting. It sounds like there must be ample instances. Thanks. lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
On Dec 9, 2005, at 4:09 AM, anonymousff wrote:You're assuming that Tom is just wrath. No, not at all. Just that he had possible anger issues. In any event, it helpful for *anyone* to be able to integrate the movement of thought with the calm, transcendent state irregardless of what individual issues we might have. For that, wrathful mantra is a great friend. IMO TMSP will just exacerbate issues. YMMV.Bottom line: it's pretty standard that if you do mantra-japa as your sadhana to do at least a quarter of that japa to a fire or flame. Make offerings that please your devata. That's the simplest yajna you can do. Self yajna. But it's our work to do as individuals--you can't really outsource your own sadhana to India. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "lurkernomore20002000" > > > > > > > Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year > > old > > > boy. > > > > > > snip > > > > > > Sorry to come in late on this thread, but is this > > Tom Pall's story, > > > and if so, is this a reposting, or is this new > > information? Thanks. > > > > > > lurk > > > > It is not a reposting. I think I know Tom Pall > > rather well and > > believe it to be Tom's story. It was not written to > > evoke pity to > > make the statement that shrinks, except ones who are > > obviously in it > > to cure their own misery, should be less flippant > > and derisive. It > > did prove one thing. "Dr." Pete isn't perhaps a > > doctor. If he is > > he's most likely a vet. > > One thing about this anon, he doesn't let go once he > sinks his teeth in. > The attributes of a survivor and what makes Anon exceedingly successful in his profession. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Has *anyone* suggested Tom get a wrathful mantra/ishta rather than > a > > peaceful one? Peaceful deity mantras are just peachy for your > average > > Joe or Judy wanting to *transcend*, but special mentations require > > special mantras. This guys a diamond in the rough just waiting for > > the right method. He'd attain mirror-like Wisdom quite quickly I'd > > guess. > > > > Interesting man that Tom. > > Being on a spiritual path has not mitigated > what seems to me to be some real flaws. So you've been keeping Tom's diary. Once again Tom is damned because he's fabulously improved but not perfect. I think it lends credence to > the notion that we all could use a good dose of therapy. I would > welcome Dr. Pete's opinion on this. I'd welcome the the opinion of a real doctor, not a sick himself wannabe psychologist or a vet saying he's a psychologist. It's hard to imagine anything more > horrendous than this story. They say emotional development gets > arrested at the time of abuse. Damning Tom once again. He's not a survivor who's getting over. He's forever damned because his emotional development was arrested at the time of abuse. Funny the real Dr.s who treated Tom didn't feel that way. They felt no need to teach Tom how to act or encourage him to grow. They watched it happen before their eyes and took notes. They felt that merely freeing the pain brought forth the true, loving, secure Tom. With other patients these very Drs. taught their patients what they had failed to develop. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has *anyone* suggested Tom get a wrathful mantra/ishta rather than a > peaceful one? Peaceful deity mantras are just peachy for your average > Joe or Judy wanting to *transcend*, but special mentations require > special mantras. This guys a diamond in the rough just waiting for > the right method. He'd attain mirror-like Wisdom quite quickly I'd > guess. > > Interesting man that Tom. > You're assuming that Tom is just wrath. Actually, he's full of shake and quake but is very sensitive to slights, as he was trained like Pavlov's dogs to equate the slightest displeasure of someone with him as another night he has to worry about being murdered or thrown out in the snow shoeless and naked to spend the night shivering in what little pile of leaves he could find. Hopefully God was good that night and he was able to get some rest for school the next day. That sensitiveness to slights makes him feel differently about Ben saying he was happy everybody enjoyed their special coins or amulets when he didn't receive anything. It's true Tom told Ben after a few years that he wasn't that excited about receiving sacred ash, but Ben's mamory is ever convenient to cover up his own failings. Ben does appear to suffer from attention and memory deficit. Tom lives in a world in which a man's word is his bond, else he's fired an hour after he fails to deliver. Tom truly believes Ben is just another one of those space cadets who's quite suited to the SoCal "let's have lunch" mentality. Tom is not all hate. There are a lot of flakey people in the world and there are a lot of vicious people in the world, "Dr." Pete and Dr. Lechter being two of them. Tom might have asked for it, but that doesn't mean it's got to run the gauntlet and then have the person he least honors for truth and reliability after having dealt with him for years, the Pundit in training, to pick up on "Dr." Pete's damnation of him with "just look at his chracter. search the archives." as a way to cover up his own failing and child abuse issues. Tom has arranged for a $50,000 legal retainer to sue Ben the lier. If Ben posts a fully apologitic statement in which he admits in every line that he, and not Tom was wrong and he apologizes for wrongfully accusing Tom for it in an unambiguous, convincing, non-finger pointing way, the suit will not be filed. Any hint that he's being insincere and Tom will see Ben in Court. If Ben posts anything to Fairfield life on any subject becept a convincing apology and agreement that he is a flake, the lawsuit against Ben will be filed and a few days later Ben will receive his subpoena. Tom doesn't want to stiffle Ben's freedom of speach. But he doesn't want to read the words of a lier who reprements himself as totally innocent of any wrong doing. The lawyers will prove otherwise. Tom has more money set aside for more prosecuition, counter suits and to fight malicious, frivilous law suits against him. He's also got every email Ben ever sent to him, notes of every phone conversation, every email he ever sent to Ben or others about Ben. Some of it will curl your hair. Joining YBC is the best thing Tom ever did. It's been a week now he's been doing full TM/TM Sidhi Program. The consciousness flows through him now and he feels full of spunk and hope and optimism as he did 14 years ago when he was last able to do full program off a course. The infusion of consciousness makes former perceived slights not. It makes frustrations in traffic not. It makes the feeling of being helplessly stuck in the muck and mire not. It makes formely overwhelming terror and panic which drove him to the bottle of Dr.s' prescripions flow through and out of him. Tom has lead a moderately successful life here and there, clearing a quarter million a year here, being an National Merit there, branch manager of a control systems vendor resident at Bechtel in SF with an annual 1/4 $billion annual budged there, being born conscious and remembering his past there. "Interesting Man that Tom" is not only truer than you imagine, its truer than you can imagine. Richard Nixon opened us to Mainland China, but took Dilantin for his depression, did some really petty shit and resigned as the articles of impeachment were being drawn up. Abraham Lincoln and his life believed in dreams and wrote every one down. They had sayances performed in the White House regularly and Lincoln timed has actions based on the feedback he got through his secretary from a noted psychic. Lincoln told his cabinet the day before that night about the very disturbing dream where we woke up and heard wailing. He walked into a hall and there was a large man laid out in a coffin. He asked an overcome woman who was laid out in the coffin. The woman told him it was the President. Lincoln campaigned to have That Pecular Instituion undone but also put his power behind the establishment
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "lurkernomore20002000" > > > > > Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year > old > > boy. > > > > snip > > > > Sorry to come in late on this thread, but is this > Tom Pall's story, > > and if so, is this a reposting, or is this new > information? Thanks. > > > > lurk > > It is not a reposting. I think I know Tom Pall > rather well and > believe it to be Tom's story. It was not written to > evoke pity to > make the statement that shrinks, except ones who are > obviously in it > to cure their own misery, should be less flippant > and derisive. It > did prove one thing. "Dr." Pete isn't perhaps a > doctor. If he is > he's most likely a vet. One thing about this anon, he doesn't let go once he sinks his teeth in. > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? > Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Has *anyone* suggested Tom get a wrathful mantra/ishta rather than a > peaceful one? Peaceful deity mantras are just peachy for your average > Joe or Judy wanting to *transcend*, but special mentations require > special mantras. This guys a diamond in the rough just waiting for > the right method. He'd attain mirror-like Wisdom quite quickly I'd > guess. > > Interesting man that Tom. What I find of interest, but not surprising is how hard this abuse scars a person for life. Being on a spiritual path has not mitigated what seems to me to be some real flaws. I think it lends credence to the notion that we all could use a good dose of therapy. I would welcome Dr. Pete's opinion on this. It's hard to imagine anything more horrendous than this story. They say emotional development gets arrested at the time of abuse. lurk > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
On Dec 8, 2005, at 8:24 PM, anonymousff wrote:It is not a reposting. I think I know Tom Pall rather well and believe it to be Tom's story. It was not written to evoke pity to make the statement that shrinks, except ones who are obviously in it to cure their own misery, should be less flippant and derisive. It did prove one thing. "Dr." Pete isn't perhaps a doctor. If he is he's most likely a vet. Has *anyone* suggested Tom get a wrathful mantra/ishta rather than a peaceful one? Peaceful deity mantras are just peachy for your average Joe or Judy wanting to *transcend*, but special mentations require special mantras. This guys a diamond in the rough just waiting for the right method. He'd attain mirror-like Wisdom quite quickly I'd guess.Interesting man that Tom. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000" > > > Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year old > boy. > > snip > > Sorry to come in late on this thread, but is this Tom Pall's story, > and if so, is this a reposting, or is this new information? Thanks. > > lurk It is not a reposting. I think I know Tom Pall rather well and believe it to be Tom's story. It was not written to evoke pity to make the statement that shrinks, except ones who are obviously in it to cure their own misery, should be less flippant and derisive. It did prove one thing. "Dr." Pete isn't perhaps a doctor. If he is he's most likely a vet. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year old boy. snip Sorry to come in late on this thread, but is this Tom Pall's story, and if so, is this a reposting, or is this new information? Thanks. lurk > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Sincerity is in the eye of the beholder, as you > well know. Now run > > along and accuse someone else, if it makes you > feel any better... > > > > Yes. Thank you Dr. Lechter. I get it. With fava > beans and a good > chianti. Thank you for revealing who you are and > what you're made of, > Dr. Lechter. Dr. Lechter and I have started a practice together. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne > Moore. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Sincerity is in the eye of the beholder, as you well know. Now run > > along and accuse someone else, if it makes you feel any better... > > > > Yes. Thank you Dr. Lechter. I get it. With fava beans and a good > chianti. Thank you for revealing who you are and what you're made of, > Dr. Lechter. > Oooops. I take that back. Sorry. I apologize profusely. I was really feeling mean and insecure and took a jab at you. Won't happen again. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
On Dec 8, 2005, at 8:33 AM, anonymousff wrote:You're obsessed with this foster home thing, aren't you?No, not particularly. I am concerned that in some instances it can foster attachment disorders. It's a known entity, it's not like something I have to point out. Therefore there should be treatment options in place. These are not easy issues for treatment. Behaviour mod. ain't gonna be of much help. The system often trains these kids in how to avoid intimacy. Foster home was never an issues or an option where this child grew up. Family took in a child when his or her parents died. Try to imagine that life is not organized nor every nook and crany of the world constructed the way you've experienced it nor make your practice in it for just amoment. I don't really need to, I know that there are many successful placements and many wonderful foster parents. The child grew up in a nice surburban/collegate but not affluent area where the system and foster homes didn't exist. Children were cared for by every neighbor and relative. If your nose was running, a neighbor handed you a hanky and told you to blow. If it was lunch time, they called your mom, told you were there and asked if it was OK to have the child eat with the family. If your shoe laces were untied and you didn't quite have the knack of it, a stranger would do the honors. People just didn't get involved in the "discipline" of a child, which is what people considered this case to be. It was a different time, a different place.There are still places and people like this. The entire world is not the ghetto and there still are places where charity begins and ends next door. But not all of this occurs in "the ghetto". It occurs in every neighborhood, in every class, in many different areas.It doesn't take a unsuitable foster parent for a kid to move. If a child wants to avoid intimacy, he will know what strings to pull and what buttons to push in order to be moved to a new home. These kids know the system. The neighbor's wife died very young of pneumonia after an illness that lasted all of 24 hours. The neighbors women visited on a rotation basis to raise the children and console and feed the husband. No kidding. I believe you. It's seems a natural instinct to me: child needs loving help and attention: provide it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sincerity is in the eye of the beholder, as you well know. Now run > along and accuse someone else, if it makes you feel any better... > Yes. Thank you Dr. Lechter. I get it. With fava beans and a good chianti. Thank you for revealing who you are and what you're made of, Dr. Lechter. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Dec 8, 2005, at 7:20 AM, anonymousff wrote: > > > Had he > > been a foster child, his ability to attach, ability to love and > > intellect would not have made him a horror but a joy to have, love and > > hold. > > I don't know that that would be the case. My one child, we were his > 12th home by the age of 5 and he was not removed from his family of > origin till he was 2. In a child like that, all they have to do is > act out till the system moves them; and they move from house to house > to house. again and again and again. > > I know one women who was in over 85 foster placements. She did > recover but not until after long term placement in one of two long > term attachment facilities in the country. We need more. > You're obsessed with this foster home thing, aren't you? Foster home was never an issues or an option where this child grew up. Family took in a child when his or her parents died. Try to imagine that life is not organized nor every nook and crany of the world constructed the way you've experienced it nor make your practice in it for just amoment. The child grew up in a nice surburban/collegate but not affluent area where the system and foster homes didn't exist. Children were cared for by every neighbor and relative. If your nose was running, a neighbor handed you a hanky and told you to blow. If it was lunch time, they called your mom, told you were there and asked if it was OK to have the child eat with the family. If your shoe laces were untied and you didn't quite have the knack of it, a stranger would do the honors. People just didn't get involved in the "discipline" of a child, which is what people considered this case to be. It was a different time, a different place. The entire world is not the ghetto and there still are places where charity begins and ends next door. The neighbor's wife died very young of pneumonia after an illness that lasted all of 24 hours. The neighbors women visited on a rotation basis to raise the children and console and feed the husband. No kidding. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
On Dec 8, 2005, at 7:20 AM, anonymousff wrote:Had he been a foster child, his ability to attach, ability to love and intellect would not have made him a horror but a joy to have, love and hold.I don't know that that would be the case. My one child, we were his 12th home by the age of 5 and he was not removed from his family of origin till he was 2. In a child like that, all they have to do is act out till the system moves them; and they move from house to house to house. again and again and again.I know one women who was in over 85 foster placements. She did recover but not until after long term placement in one of two long term attachment facilities in the country. We need more. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It > > hurts to be denounced when in posts one objects to such things. > > But that's just another afternoon as life of a survivor who's going > > through the emotional healing. > > Imagine adopting a child like this. > > I can't tell you the hell these kids go through. While I wouldn't > suggest anyone adopt a child with severe Reactive Attachment > Disorder, I do know there is a great need for these children to have > treatment at the outpatient and the inpatient long term settings. Our > foster care systems breed these conditions--trust me on that. And if > they go untreated, these are sociopaths in training, just waiting to > be unleashed on society. > Not every child develops AD. Some merely develop PTSD with a few big Ts and a some little Ts. It's the little Ts that are hard to work on. Not every one of them become sociopaths. Some go on to become very loving, productive and useful members of society although they do carry around a great deal of hurt and in this child's case, terror and anger. The terror kept the anger in check. As usual it depends on the child. They're not all cut out of the same batch of cookie dough. It's becoming well established that children become who they are and the adults they'll become through nature, nurture and chance. Recent studies of grown twins bear out the chance part to be very important. Astologers make a big deal out of the seconds between births. Twins studies increasingly show that the smallest, almost inperceiveable differences in environment each twin experiences makes a big differnce in who and what they become. This child was exceedingly resilent though constant terror, especially of being murdered by his mother made and kept this particular child both hypervigilant and more resilent. The child's strong religous beliefs and faith helped as well. AD has a lot more to do with very early experience. There was enough love in this child's relationship with his parents (thought the true account didn't make it seem that way) such that he did not fail to develop a conscious. He developed an overactive conscience. He spent a great deal of his life attempting to save others from their misery, perhaps because his mother and father flipped/flopped between being abusive and begging for love, understanding and care, perhaps he was playing out the wanting to be saved from misery himself. Some of the wanting to save can show itself in very bizarre ways, like taking a black crack addict he befriended to Mt. Pleasant, IA with him to see Amma. Instead of playing football in college, he was a cadet on the volunteer first aid squad and since he was too young to drive, would end up often alone with the patient in the back of the ambulance on the way to the hospital. He got to deliver babies, though still in many ways a child himself, valently tried to recussitate those who were already dead. He went on to be a high school star, went on to college/medical school (the Six Year Medical School at a prestigous university), left medical school because he found being around sick people too demanding of his empathy/sympathy, fell in love, married, became a young widower who never remarried. He was then and is still considered by women to be a "good catch" because of his income, devotion and, yes, ability to show affection, caring and love. The tragedy of this particular child is that there was no social system in his surburban/collegate area. Think of Mt. Pleasent, IA sans the mental hospital in the 1950s. The thought of foster care never came up because child abuse (and even the rapes by the child's uncle) were not seen as such (hence the denial by the police, neighbors, relatives and school counselors that there was a problem). Also, the child seemed somewhat troubled but developed normally. The belief that such a thing couldn't possibly happen in the boy's community was also a blessing in disguise. Instead of entering "the system", he stayed with his parents. Had the child been separated from his parents, it would have been traumatic, as he developed a sort of Patty Hurst syndrome. Had he been a foster child, his ability to attach, ability to love and intellect would not have made him a horror but a joy to have, love and hold. As the man develops close friendships with men older than himself and outs himself to them, he finds that many pillars of society grew up with childhoods even more horrific than his. It's the very "system" you reference and increasingly urban life which turns such child into sociopaths. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://group
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > In reading some of the recent posts, and the feeling, > > > > That the TMO avoids discussing emotional healing. > > > > > > > > I have had some experience with emotional healing. > > > > Feeling what is at the root of what is blocking emotions. > > > > Noticing what is coming up emotionally, staying with the feeling, > > > > bring awareness to what is below the surface, what is held in > > the body > > > > Talking about feelings in an atmosphere of unconditional love. > > > > The idea that , that the soul itself, > > > > Can heal what needs to be healed. > > > > Generally, any emotion which is held, > > > > a block, a lower vibration, of fear, or whatever.. > > > > Meditation, by expanding consciousness, can bring the awareness > > > > to feel, or view or 'see' what the block is; > > > > or seeing 'it' for what it is; > > > > Then some detatchment or some awareness of the emotional block, > > > > Helps to release yourself from this sort of mental/emotional > > block. > > > > All in all, we want to feel our emotions completely and fully. > > > > Unfortunately, many of us who have lived in dysfuncional > > families; > > > > And a dysfunctional culture, have trouble just expressing or > > just > > > > knowing one's true feelings, or what we are expected to feel; > > > > or > > > > We can tend to feel numb or shutdown, or left-out, etc. > > > > When avoiding what we are feeling... > > > > > > > > It would be appreciates for anyone to share, from personal > > experience, > > > > How is it to heal emotionally... > > > > How did it happen, what is a good way to think of what > > > > Emotional healing is; what does it entail.. > > > > R.G. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year old boy. An only > > > child, so no siblings to confide in or get help from. > > > > > > The boy comes home from school. It's freezing cold, blizzard > > > conditions outside. The boy is as usual made to strip completely > > > outside before entering the house. The boy has mud on his pants, > > so > > > his mother's enraged. The boy is taken to the basement and placed > > in > > > one of the wash tubs to be bathed, as dirtying the upstairs and > > > especially the bathroom/bathtub is a no-no. While the boy is being > > > bathed, his mother yells and screams at him for getting mud on his > > > clothes (despite the fact that his clothes are stripped off him and > > > washed every time he arrives at the house). His mother goes into > > her > > > usual almost hourly tirade that the boy is no good, that he will > > get > > > nowhere in life, that no one loves him, that he'll never be loved, > > > have any friends or succeed in life. That God hates him and that > > > he'll be forever damned. She tries to drown him once again, but he > > > manages to free himself from her grasp before losing > > consciousness. > > > Enraged more, his mother takes the stick she uses to poke clothes > > into > > > dye or bleach in that sink and beats him with it. > > > > > > Eventually dad comes home and is enraged that his wife is angry at > > the > > > boy. He makes the boy kneel for hours, naked, in the closet of his > > > bedroom on coins which dig into his knees, to pray to God to > > become a > > > good boy, despite the fact that he is forever damned, that he is > > > useless, terrible, that he is not loved, will never be loved, will > > > never succeed, never have friends, will be shunned by all. > > > > > > Imagine that afternoon and early evening are repeated from the age > > of > > > 1 to 18 years old. Imagine that the fraternal uncle the boy begs > > help > > > from decides to fuck him up the ass, dry, at the age of 7, while > > the > > > boy pleads to his uncle for deliverance from these parents between > > the > > > strokes which tear apart his rectum. > > > > > > Imagine a child who spends most of his time shaking and trembling > > and > > > going to the police and neighbors begging for help but being > > shunned > > > and told to go away and to stop shaking and trembling like that. > > > > > > There's a possibility that someone having grown up under such > > > circumstances might have "issues". That the person might have > > > "problems with anger" and might not want to be characterized by the > > > resident psychologist of a forum related to TM and spiritual > > matters > > > to be damned forever because of his "character". Suppose while the > > > man who survived that has been through the therapy but TM and other > > > spiritual practices at times unearth some of the pa
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
On Dec 7, 2005, at 3:41 PM, anonymousff wrote:Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year old boy. An only child, so no siblings to confide in or get help from. The boy comes home from school. It's freezing cold, blizzard conditions outside. The boy is as usual made to strip completely outside before entering the house. The boy has mud on his pants, so his mother's enraged. The boy is taken to the basement and placed in one of the wash tubs to be bathed, as dirtying the upstairs and especially the bathroom/bathtub is a no-no. While the boy is being bathed, his mother yells and screams at him for getting mud on his clothes (despite the fact that his clothes are stripped off him and washed every time he arrives at the house). His mother goes into her usual almost hourly tirade that the boy is no good, that he will get nowhere in life, that no one loves him, that he'll never be loved, have any friends or succeed in life. That God hates him and that he'll be forever damned. She tries to drown him once again, but he manages to free himself from her grasp before losing consciousness. Enraged more, his mother takes the stick she uses to poke clothes into dye or bleach in that sink and beats him with it. Eventually dad comes home and is enraged that his wife is angry at the boy. He makes the boy kneel for hours, naked, in the closet of his bedroom on coins which dig into his knees, to pray to God to become a good boy, despite the fact that he is forever damned, that he is useless, terrible, that he is not loved, will never be loved, will never succeed, never have friends, will be shunned by all. Imagine that afternoon and early evening are repeated from the age of 1 to 18 years old. Imagine that the fraternal uncle the boy begs help from decides to fuck him up the ass, dry, at the age of 7, while the boy pleads to his uncle for deliverance from these parents between the strokes which tear apart his rectum. Imagine a child who spends most of his time shaking and trembling and going to the police and neighbors begging for help but being shunned and told to go away and to stop shaking and trembling like that. There's a possibility that someone having grown up under such circumstances might have "issues". That the person might have "problems with anger" and might not want to be characterized by the resident psychologist of a forum related to TM and spiritual matters to be damned forever because of his "character". Suppose while the man who survived that has been through the therapy but TM and other spiritual practices at times unearth some of the pain of the past. Imagine that when TM causes some unstressing of the pain, the utterances of pain the man writes into an occasional post are used with glee by people on the spiritual path and even a pundit in training to be something they can use to pounce upon the man and denounce him and damn him forever in post after post. Emotional healing is difficult. It is painful beyond belief. Bearing it all without complaint, without revealing the pain or the past but being denounced by people who take sport in it like they're in the audience at the Coloseum in Rome two millenium ago is just another part of the life of someone officially designated by health professionals who are experts in their field as a "survivor" is just another afternoon in the life of such a person. It hurts. But it doesn't hurt as much as the typical afternoon the person faced as a 5 year old. It hurts to read the stories of spoiled brats who gloat in the fact that they had to join Purusha while students at MIU because they wanted to take a break from screwing in the recesses of the Men's Dome in Fairfield during meetings and ceremonies. The very dome the man goes to to do program and/or round to help purge himself of those scary memories. It hurts to read about the spoiled brat telling about working in the French Quarter and having women bare their breasts to them while they work and to have people counsel the spoiled brat on how to declare bankruptcy to avoid paying off the debts they willingly took on while screwing in the recesses of the Men's Dome at MIU. It hurts to be denounced when in posts one objects to such things. But that's just another afternoon as life of a survivor who's going through the emotional healing. Imagine adopting a child like this.I can't tell you the hell these kids go through. While I wouldn't suggest anyone adopt a child with severe Reactive Attachment Disorder, I do know there is a great need for these children to have treatment at the outpatient and the inpatient long term settings. Our foster care systems breed these conditions--trust me on that. And if they go untreated, these are sociopaths in training, just waiting to be unleashed on society. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > In reading some of the recent posts, and the feeling, > > > That the TMO avoids discussing emotional healing. > > > > > > I have had some experience with emotional healing. > > > Feeling what is at the root of what is blocking emotions. > > > Noticing what is coming up emotionally, staying with the feeling, > > > bring awareness to what is below the surface, what is held in > the body > > > Talking about feelings in an atmosphere of unconditional love. > > > The idea that , that the soul itself, > > > Can heal what needs to be healed. > > > Generally, any emotion which is held, > > > a block, a lower vibration, of fear, or whatever.. > > > Meditation, by expanding consciousness, can bring the awareness > > > to feel, or view or 'see' what the block is; > > > or seeing 'it' for what it is; > > > Then some detatchment or some awareness of the emotional block, > > > Helps to release yourself from this sort of mental/emotional > block. > > > All in all, we want to feel our emotions completely and fully. > > > Unfortunately, many of us who have lived in dysfuncional > families; > > > And a dysfunctional culture, have trouble just expressing or > just > > > knowing one's true feelings, or what we are expected to feel; > > > or > > > We can tend to feel numb or shutdown, or left-out, etc. > > > When avoiding what we are feeling... > > > > > > It would be appreciates for anyone to share, from personal > experience, > > > How is it to heal emotionally... > > > How did it happen, what is a good way to think of what > > > Emotional healing is; what does it entail.. > > > R.G. > > > > > > > > > Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year old boy. An only > > child, so no siblings to confide in or get help from. > > > > The boy comes home from school. It's freezing cold, blizzard > > conditions outside. The boy is as usual made to strip completely > > outside before entering the house. The boy has mud on his pants, > so > > his mother's enraged. The boy is taken to the basement and placed > in > > one of the wash tubs to be bathed, as dirtying the upstairs and > > especially the bathroom/bathtub is a no-no. While the boy is being > > bathed, his mother yells and screams at him for getting mud on his > > clothes (despite the fact that his clothes are stripped off him and > > washed every time he arrives at the house). His mother goes into > her > > usual almost hourly tirade that the boy is no good, that he will > get > > nowhere in life, that no one loves him, that he'll never be loved, > > have any friends or succeed in life. That God hates him and that > > he'll be forever damned. She tries to drown him once again, but he > > manages to free himself from her grasp before losing > consciousness. > > Enraged more, his mother takes the stick she uses to poke clothes > into > > dye or bleach in that sink and beats him with it. > > > > Eventually dad comes home and is enraged that his wife is angry at > the > > boy. He makes the boy kneel for hours, naked, in the closet of his > > bedroom on coins which dig into his knees, to pray to God to > become a > > good boy, despite the fact that he is forever damned, that he is > > useless, terrible, that he is not loved, will never be loved, will > > never succeed, never have friends, will be shunned by all. > > > > Imagine that afternoon and early evening are repeated from the age > of > > 1 to 18 years old. Imagine that the fraternal uncle the boy begs > help > > from decides to fuck him up the ass, dry, at the age of 7, while > the > > boy pleads to his uncle for deliverance from these parents between > the > > strokes which tear apart his rectum. > > > > Imagine a child who spends most of his time shaking and trembling > and > > going to the police and neighbors begging for help but being > shunned > > and told to go away and to stop shaking and trembling like that. > > > > There's a possibility that someone having grown up under such > > circumstances might have "issues". That the person might have > > "problems with anger" and might not want to be characterized by the > > resident psychologist of a forum related to TM and spiritual > matters > > to be damned forever because of his "character". Suppose while the > > man who survived that has been through the therapy but TM and other > > spiritual practices at times unearth some of the pain of the past. > > Imagine that when TM causes some unstressing of the pain, the > > utterances of pain the man writes into an occasional post are used > > with glee by people on the spiritual path and even a pundit in > > training to be something they can use to pounce upon the man and > > denounce him and damn him foreve
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Comment below: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > **SNIP** > > This is a terrible personal history and I cannot imagine any reader > here not moved by it. Despite some of the rancor exchanged on this > site I don't believe I'd be wrong to say that everyone only wishes you > well and hopes for the highest happiness for you. > > Marek > Happiness could start by watching the "Dr." and the Pundit in training being gutted, drawn and quartered as compensation for making statements that the person who suffered this terror on a daily basis has "problems", "issues", known "character" (just search the archives) defects and is forever damned because of it. The person who suffered this daily terror not only doesn't agree with the "Dr." but would defend to his death the right of anyone who felt it proper to hunt down the "Dr." and beat him to a bloody pulp for expressing such opinions. This is not a threat nor an attempt at rancor. It just seems fitting that the "Dr." who makes these gloating prouncements should experience a couple hours of what the person he's damned and derided suffered daily. But he'd not truly experience the terror of it all. He allegedly is an adult and has options. The 7 year old who begged his uncle for help in dealing with his parents while having his rectum torn apart and was so happy to be taken to the hospital for surgery to fix the damage because he'd be safe from being murdered for a few days in hospital had no options. But then again, he can't be a real "Dr." of Clinical Psychology else he'd know suffering and be sensitive to it. A real "Dr.", even a real person, would know how to make a truly convincing apology. Part of being a real "Dr." is to teach and show responiblity. The victim in this case has received many honestly expressed apologies from Drs. for being late or missing an appointment. It's also something the doctors do to show that they are not like the abusers. They are not soliciting nor do they want to elict parent/adult responses. They want to facilitate and encourage adult/adult interaction. The "Dr." is a fake and a phony or a very sick individual himself who chose the profession to seek a cure. One of these parties to this discussion has been certified as cured. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
Comment below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > **SNIP** > > Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year old boy. An only > child, so no siblings to confide in or get help from. > > The boy comes home from school. It's freezing cold, blizzard > conditions outside. The boy is as usual made to strip completely > outside before entering the house. The boy has mud on his pants, so > his mother's enraged. The boy is taken to the basement and placed in > one of the wash tubs to be bathed, as dirtying the upstairs and > especially the bathroom/bathtub is a no-no. While the boy is being > bathed, his mother yells and screams at him for getting mud on his > clothes (despite the fact that his clothes are stripped off him and > washed every time he arrives at the house). His mother goes into her > usual almost hourly tirade that the boy is no good, that he will get > nowhere in life, that no one loves him, that he'll never be loved, > have any friends or succeed in life. That God hates him and that > he'll be forever damned. She tries to drown him once again, but he > manages to free himself from her grasp before losing consciousness. > Enraged more, his mother takes the stick she uses to poke clothes into > dye or bleach in that sink and beats him with it. > > Eventually dad comes home and is enraged that his wife is angry at the > boy. He makes the boy kneel for hours, naked, in the closet of his > bedroom on coins which dig into his knees, to pray to God to become a > good boy, despite the fact that he is forever damned, that he is > useless, terrible, that he is not loved, will never be loved, will > never succeed, never have friends, will be shunned by all. > > Imagine that afternoon and early evening are repeated from the age of > 1 to 18 years old. Imagine that the fraternal uncle the boy begs help > from decides to fuck him up the ass, dry, at the age of 7, while the > boy pleads to his uncle for deliverance from these parents between the > strokes which tear apart his rectum. > > Imagine a child who spends most of his time shaking and trembling and > going to the police and neighbors begging for help but being shunned > and told to go away and to stop shaking and trembling like that. > > There's a possibility that someone having grown up under such > circumstances might have "issues". That the person might have > "problems with anger" and might not want to be characterized by the > resident psychologist of a forum related to TM and spiritual matters > to be damned forever because of his "character". Suppose while the > man who survived that has been through the therapy but TM and other > spiritual practices at times unearth some of the pain of the past. > Imagine that when TM causes some unstressing of the pain, the > utterances of pain the man writes into an occasional post are used > with glee by people on the spiritual path and even a pundit in > training to be something they can use to pounce upon the man and > denounce him and damn him forever in post after post. > > Emotional healing is difficult. It is painful beyond belief. Bearing > it all without complaint, without revealing the pain or the past but > being denounced by people who take sport in it like they're in the > audience at the Coloseum in Rome two millenium ago is just another > part of the life of someone officially designated by health > professionals who are experts in their field as a "survivor" is just > another afternoon in the life of such a person. It hurts. But it > doesn't hurt as much as the typical afternoon the person faced as a 5 > year old. > > It hurts to read the stories of spoiled brats who gloat in the fact > that they had to join Purusha while students at MIU because they > wanted to take a break from screwing in the recesses of the Men's Dome > in Fairfield during meetings and ceremonies. The very dome the man > goes to to do program and/or round to help purge himself of those > scary memories. It hurts to read about the spoiled brat telling about > working in the French Quarter and having women bare their breasts to > them while they work and to have people counsel the spoiled brat on > how to declare bankruptcy to avoid paying off the debts they willingly > took on while screwing in the recesses of the Men's Dome at MIU. It > hurts to be denounced when in posts one objects to such things. > But that's just another afternoon as life of a survivor who's going > through the emotional healing. > > Now that was a nice aikido move, wasn't it? > **END** This is a terrible personal history and I cannot imagine any reader here not moved by it. Despite some of the rancor exchanged on this site I don't believe I'd be wrong to say that everyone only wishes you well and hopes for the highest happiness for you. Marek Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? A
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > In reading some of the recent posts, and the feeling, > > That the TMO avoids discussing emotional healing. > > > > I have had some experience with emotional healing. > > Feeling what is at the root of what is blocking emotions. > > Noticing what is coming up emotionally, staying with the feeling, > > bring awareness to what is below the surface, what is held in the body > > Talking about feelings in an atmosphere of unconditional love. > > The idea that , that the soul itself, > > Can heal what needs to be healed. > > Generally, any emotion which is held, > > a block, a lower vibration, of fear, or whatever.. > > Meditation, by expanding consciousness, can bring the awareness > > to feel, or view or 'see' what the block is; > > or seeing 'it' for what it is; > > Then some detatchment or some awareness of the emotional block, > > Helps to release yourself from this sort of mental/emotional block. > > All in all, we want to feel our emotions completely and fully. > > Unfortunately, many of us who have lived in dysfuncional families; > > And a dysfunctional culture, have trouble just expressing or just > > knowing one's true feelings, or what we are expected to feel; > > or > > We can tend to feel numb or shutdown, or left-out, etc. > > When avoiding what we are feeling... > > > > It would be appreciates for anyone to share, from personal experience, > > How is it to heal emotionally... > > How did it happen, what is a good way to think of what > > Emotional healing is; what does it entail.. > > R.G. > > > > > Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year old boy. An only > child, so no siblings to confide in or get help from. > > The boy comes home from school. It's freezing cold, blizzard > conditions outside. The boy is as usual made to strip completely > outside before entering the house. The boy has mud on his pants, so > his mother's enraged. The boy is taken to the basement and placed in > one of the wash tubs to be bathed, as dirtying the upstairs and > especially the bathroom/bathtub is a no-no. While the boy is being > bathed, his mother yells and screams at him for getting mud on his > clothes (despite the fact that his clothes are stripped off him and > washed every time he arrives at the house). His mother goes into her > usual almost hourly tirade that the boy is no good, that he will get > nowhere in life, that no one loves him, that he'll never be loved, > have any friends or succeed in life. That God hates him and that > he'll be forever damned. She tries to drown him once again, but he > manages to free himself from her grasp before losing consciousness. > Enraged more, his mother takes the stick she uses to poke clothes into > dye or bleach in that sink and beats him with it. > > Eventually dad comes home and is enraged that his wife is angry at the > boy. He makes the boy kneel for hours, naked, in the closet of his > bedroom on coins which dig into his knees, to pray to God to become a > good boy, despite the fact that he is forever damned, that he is > useless, terrible, that he is not loved, will never be loved, will > never succeed, never have friends, will be shunned by all. > > Imagine that afternoon and early evening are repeated from the age of > 1 to 18 years old. Imagine that the fraternal uncle the boy begs help > from decides to fuck him up the ass, dry, at the age of 7, while the > boy pleads to his uncle for deliverance from these parents between the > strokes which tear apart his rectum. > > Imagine a child who spends most of his time shaking and trembling and > going to the police and neighbors begging for help but being shunned > and told to go away and to stop shaking and trembling like that. > > There's a possibility that someone having grown up under such > circumstances might have "issues". That the person might have > "problems with anger" and might not want to be characterized by the > resident psychologist of a forum related to TM and spiritual matters > to be damned forever because of his "character". Suppose while the > man who survived that has been through the therapy but TM and other > spiritual practices at times unearth some of the pain of the past. > Imagine that when TM causes some unstressing of the pain, the > utterances of pain the man writes into an occasional post are used > with glee by people on the spiritual path and even a pundit in > training to be something they can use to pounce upon the man and > denounce him and damn him forever in post after post. > > Emotional healing is difficult. It is painful beyond belief. Bearing > it all without complaint, without revealing the pain or the past but > being denounced by people who take sport in it like they're in the > audience at the Coloseum in Rome two millenium ago is ju
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In reading some of the recent posts, and the feeling, > That the TMO avoids discussing emotional healing. > > I have had some experience with emotional healing. > Feeling what is at the root of what is blocking emotions. > Noticing what is coming up emotionally, staying with the feeling, > bring awareness to what is below the surface, what is held in the body > Talking about feelings in an atmosphere of unconditional love. > The idea that , that the soul itself, > Can heal what needs to be healed. > Generally, any emotion which is held, > a block, a lower vibration, of fear, or whatever.. > Meditation, by expanding consciousness, can bring the awareness > to feel, or view or 'see' what the block is; > or seeing 'it' for what it is; > Then some detatchment or some awareness of the emotional block, > Helps to release yourself from this sort of mental/emotional block. > All in all, we want to feel our emotions completely and fully. > Unfortunately, many of us who have lived in dysfuncional families; > And a dysfunctional culture, have trouble just expressing or just > knowing one's true feelings, or what we are expected to feel; > or > We can tend to feel numb or shutdown, or left-out, etc. > When avoiding what we are feeling... > > It would be appreciates for anyone to share, from personal experience, > How is it to heal emotionally... > How did it happen, what is a good way to think of what > Emotional healing is; what does it entail.. > R.G. > Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year old boy. An only child, so no siblings to confide in or get help from. The boy comes home from school. It's freezing cold, blizzard conditions outside. The boy is as usual made to strip completely outside before entering the house. The boy has mud on his pants, so his mother's enraged. The boy is taken to the basement and placed in one of the wash tubs to be bathed, as dirtying the upstairs and especially the bathroom/bathtub is a no-no. While the boy is being bathed, his mother yells and screams at him for getting mud on his clothes (despite the fact that his clothes are stripped off him and washed every time he arrives at the house). His mother goes into her usual almost hourly tirade that the boy is no good, that he will get nowhere in life, that no one loves him, that he'll never be loved, have any friends or succeed in life. That God hates him and that he'll be forever damned. She tries to drown him once again, but he manages to free himself from her grasp before losing consciousness. Enraged more, his mother takes the stick she uses to poke clothes into dye or bleach in that sink and beats him with it. Eventually dad comes home and is enraged that his wife is angry at the boy. He makes the boy kneel for hours, naked, in the closet of his bedroom on coins which dig into his knees, to pray to God to become a good boy, despite the fact that he is forever damned, that he is useless, terrible, that he is not loved, will never be loved, will never succeed, never have friends, will be shunned by all. Imagine that afternoon and early evening are repeated from the age of 1 to 18 years old. Imagine that the fraternal uncle the boy begs help from decides to fuck him up the ass, dry, at the age of 7, while the boy pleads to his uncle for deliverance from these parents between the strokes which tear apart his rectum. Imagine a child who spends most of his time shaking and trembling and going to the police and neighbors begging for help but being shunned and told to go away and to stop shaking and trembling like that. There's a possibility that someone having grown up under such circumstances might have "issues". That the person might have "problems with anger" and might not want to be characterized by the resident psychologist of a forum related to TM and spiritual matters to be damned forever because of his "character". Suppose while the man who survived that has been through the therapy but TM and other spiritual practices at times unearth some of the pain of the past. Imagine that when TM causes some unstressing of the pain, the utterances of pain the man writes into an occasional post are used with glee by people on the spiritual path and even a pundit in training to be something they can use to pounce upon the man and denounce him and damn him forever in post after post. Emotional healing is difficult. It is painful beyond belief. Bearing it all without complaint, without revealing the pain or the past but being denounced by people who take sport in it like they're in the audience at the Coloseum in Rome two millenium ago is just another part of the life of someone officially designated by health professionals who are experts in their field as a "survivor" is just another afternoon in the life of such a person. It hurts. But it doesn't hurt as much as the typical afternoon the person faced as a 5 year
