Re: [Felvtalk] Please help with testing confusion!
Leslie, I just have a question for you, are your negative cats vaccinated for FeLV? Lynda From: one23di...@aol.com Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 5:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Please help with testing confusion! I'm confused and hope people can help me to understand this. I have two cats who have tested positive for felv. One, Moe has tested positive twice on the ELISA, and the tests were done a year apart. Baby, has tested positive both on a SNAP and an IFA test - done two months apart. Different vets were used. They have been kept separate, both from each other and our negative cats. So, the question is can they be safely introduced to each other? Do I need Moe to be retested using the IFA? Do I need Baby retested using the ELISA? Please, any light that can be shed on this will be incredibly helpful. Thank you so much! Leslie the furballs ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Testing again to be sure the list is working
received From: ter...@tazzys.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 1:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing again to be sure the list is working I see ya! Terrie TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2012 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] Testing again to be sure the list is working From: James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net Date: Tue, February 26, 2013 12:22 pm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hey all, Just sending a quick note to see if our webhost has fixed the mailing list issues. Please ignore this note. Hope all is well with everyone and their furries! Best wishes. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org wlEmoticon-smile[1].png___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Leukemia Positive Cat
The saliva test is not recommended. It's not accurate at all. Lynda -Original Message- From: katskat1 Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leukemia Positive Cat Oh yeah, there is a saliva test. The vet takes a swab from inside the cheek of the cat, then puts it in a test tube with purified water and maybe something else, I don't know. If the swab turns blue within 5 minutes the cat is supposedly positive. Then, if it hasn't turned blue, she takes it out and puts it in a different solution that is supposed to make it turn blue to confirm she had a good test. On 11/26/12, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Both ELISA/SNAP and IRA use blood drawn from the cat. The saliva test is something else entirely. I think it is supposed to test in much the same way as the ELISA/SNAP for the same thing. I don't think there's a saliva test that tests for the virus in the bone marrow (IFA). Anyone have a definite answer to this? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leukemia Positive Cat Oops wait a minute I re read your email. It is the other way around isn't it. SNAP/ELISA is the saliiva test and the IFA is the blood test for bone marrow? Kt Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com wrote: OK so the ELISA/SNAP is the one blood is drawn for and the IFA is the saliva test right? Thanks. That helps a lot! Kat Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: The snap test is an ELISA test. The IFA is sent out to a lab costs around $100 depending on your area tests to see if the virus is in the bone marrow, meaning the cat will not throw off the virus. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leukemia Positive Cat So which is the snap test? Or is it something else?? Kat Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: Don't just get the IFA, as they are skewed towards false negatives. ELISAs are skewed towards false positives, so if you do the IFA, it would be to reconcile with the ELISA. On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't much trust tests anyway but if you want to get a more accurate test, in a month do the IFA test on him. I had an adult cat who tested strong positive. I kept him for 3 months in a separate room, tested again and it was negative but because he would be mixed in with my many rescues, I had the IFA test done and it was also negative. Moses has been living with 20 of my rescues for the past 6 years now. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leukemia Positive Cat I have a 6 1/2 month old rescued kitten. He tested FelV pos. at 8 weeks old and I just had him tested again. This time the results were a light pos. They told me it just barely turned positive on the test. Would this indicate he is in the process of throwing off the virus? I LOVE this kitten so much. He is such an affectionate boy, and I'm praying I don't lose him. So many FelV positive cats don't make it past aa year or so. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar) Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond:
Re: [Felvtalk] Leukemia Positive Cat
Lorrie, I had a “light” positive on my kitten as well. He did not clear the virus, but please don’t lose hope. There can still be a better outcome. Beth is correct! Also, a positive ELISA test must be done no earlier than 90 days for accuracy after the first test. If it’s still positive, do an IFA. If the IFA is positive, than the virus is in the bone marrow and the kitty can’t clear the virus. Good luck and keep us posted. Hugs to you and your kitten! Lynda From: Beth Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 8:24 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leukemia Positive Cat An negative IFA does NOT negate a positive Elisa. The IFA simply means it is in the bone marrow. Once the IFA is positive the cat will not throw off the virus. I would keep test him again in a few months on the Elisa. If it is still positive I would test him on the IFA. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:03 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leukemia Positive Cat Don't just get the IFA, as they are skewed towards false negatives.ELISAs are skewed towards false positives, so if you do the IFA, it would be to reconcile with the ELISA. On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't much trust tests anyway but if you want to get a more accurate test, in a month do the IFA test on him. I had an adult cat who tested strong positive. I kept him for 3 months in a separate room, tested again and it was negative but because he would be mixed in with my many rescues, I had the IFA test done and it was also negative. Moses has been living with 20 of my rescues for the past 6 years now. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leukemia Positive Cat I have a 6 1/2 month old rescued kitten. He tested FelV pos. at 8 weeks old and I just had him tested again. This time the results were a light pos. They told me it just barely turned positive on the test. Would this indicate he is in the process of throwing off the virus? I LOVE this kitten so much. He is such an affectionate boy, and I'm praying I don't lose him. So many FelV positive cats don't make it past aa year or so. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar) Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] possible pos. BIG cat looking for forever home
Let’s keep this thread friendly. We are a group that should educate and give advice – not attack someone. Tamara is reaching out, at least be grateful for that. Be kind. Lynda From: Korruptakitty Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 6:20 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] possible pos. BIG cat looking for forever home Please keep him indoors, in a bathroom or somewhere, in a cage? Why do you think he'll test positive? I am amazed at how you nonchalantly say he has his claws (well, yes! Is this unusual? ) ... But he's not a good hunter ... And you must rehome or kill him.Is this how it is? Why does this upset me so much? I would first be concerned with him getting indoors, immediately. to me, that would be first on my list. Maybe it's just a different mindset in md? Please bring him in somehow. Ask a neighbor, a friend, family, pay someone... Anything, but don 't leave him out there please? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:02 PM, tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, I haven't posted for oh - seven years or so, not since I placed Simms with Anne. But, I've recently pulled another dumped cat from the streets. We are having him tested tonight to see if he is positive or negative - but something tells me the test might come back as a positive. I have a home lined up for him if he is clear - but if he does have felv I will need to either rehome or have him put down. (I don't have even an alcove in my small appt. that I can put him in at the moment - positive or no the woman who agreed to foster him for a few days will not do so if he tests positive.) Currently I am trying to find another foster or home - just in case. He's fairly young - under 2yrs. I would say. Sterling silver tabby - a BIG guy - a bit underweight for his bone structure, he still weighs in around 14 lbs., short-haired. Scared but not feral - sought out humans and was a regular at the ground level windows of condos housing other cats in the neighborhood. He has his claws, but doesn't seem to be a great hunter - he has been seen sitting-dozing under one neighbor's bird feeder amongst squirrels and birds on several occasions. I'm in Maryland - but am willing to transport him for the right home. If anyone is even a little interested please let me know. Thanks! Tamara ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
Kat, you are a true blessing! If you need a donation toward testing/care, please let me know. I would be glad to pitch in! Lynda -Original Message- From: Kathryn Green Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:26 PM To: Marcia Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home As an FYI I am adopting cat(s). Meeting rescuer tomorrow near Columbus. Will be taking in to test for FeLV and get vaccinations following day. It/they if he can snare the black one she abandoned too, will join my current 8 cats and 4 dogs. Kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Unusual kitten story
Genius, Kathryn! From: Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 5:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Unusual kitten story Trappers around here do use kittens as ``bait.'' One way I worked out was to put the kittens in a closed trap/whatever with the closed end of the trap putting up against it. Cover the trap except for both ends, and also the kitten container, and the mom will see going through the trap as the way to get to the kittens. Others may do it differently, but that's the general idea. That way, you don't lose any kittens. On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Hi Everyone, Here's a kitten story you should all enjoy. My daughter who helps me with rescue work and TNR, has a lot of stray cats at her house. There is one feral in particular she has been trying to trap for years. This cat produces at least 2 litters a year, and she hides the kittens and then brings them around when they are about 9 or 10 weeks and as wild as their mother is. This year she brought her 3 kittens earlier than usual (about 3 or 4 weeks old) and my daughter was able to gather them up and bring them inside to be socialized. BUT how to catch the mom?? She has tried a trap to no avail. This is one smart mom cat! So she set up a large plastic storage box on the front porch where she feeds all these strays, and put the kittens inside. She had a large screen to put on top if mom cat went inside, but she had to hide, as mom cat wouldn't go in if she saw Karin. Well quick as a flash the mother grabbed one of the kittens and ran! Karin brought the other two back in and the mother cat had the other kitten outside someplace for 2 days. Karin saw no sign of the third kitten, but when the weather got very cold and rainy she finally saw the mom and kitten on her porch. Karin opened the door to get the kitten, and the mother tried to grab him and run but the kitten saw Karin and ran to her instead! I think this is an amazing story. Did that kitten remember being inside where it was warm, or had he bonded with my daughter before his cat mom stole him? All 3 kittens are now safe, and warm inside and learning to eat well. I hope you enjoyed this story and I wonder if any of you have had similar stories to share. Lorrie and 14 rescued cats and Karin with 18 rescued cats!! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ta ta for now
Nooo, don’t leave!!! From: Natalie Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 4:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ta ta for now Thanks, just spread the word on it, post on FB, etc. – I did. It’s a shame that a company’s response would be “Buyer beware”….anything we buy for our pets should be safe without question! My husband got a catnip/fabric toy, made in China at PetSmart…I was about to let the cats use it, when I decided out of curiosity to read the label..guess what? It said that “if ingested, could cause death”! Now, we have to read all small print on doggie treats, especially when made in China, and learned that American made treats had to be recalled because of salmonella! I’ll be making my own doggie and cat treats (haha, in my spare time). Natalie My new email address is:atia@gmail.com From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 4:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ta ta for now Thanks for sharing the great information. Very helpful to me, as I seek to use the best products for my beloved furry friends. Sorry to see you check out – you have been very helpful, to me. Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 1:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ta ta for now It seems that this topic still isn’t closed, is it? There have been comments after the one you just responded to here. I joined because a friend recommended this group, and it has been helpful. I had 2 adult FeLV+ cats. One of the cats died of CRF, and the other was adopted by a veterinarian and is still doing OK. Those 2 cats lived with a large group of healthy cats for about 6 months, and I tested all starting with very young and older cats – not a single cat contracted the virus! 6 months should have been enough time to do so, shouldn’t it? Since I don’t have any FeLV positive cats right now, I decided that I will get off this list – I learned things that I’d rather not have known, such as someone hunting small game, another person having cats declawed routinely, I guess because the vet offers such a great deal, etc. But before I leave, I will post just one site about Clumping litter containing sodium bentonite. Don’t forget, it doesn’t have to be listed in the ingredients!~ And as long as it states that it can be flushed down the toilet, is doesn’t contain SB, which would completely block the plumbing. I’ve seen so many reviews, often poo-pooing the dangers, misstating that SB expands 5 times its weight (it’s capable of absorbing liquid and moisture 15 x its weight, and is- used in construction). The best article was written in Tiger Tribe, a holistic cat magazine that is no longer published. When I heard that they were closing down operations, I bought all the back issues. http://www.thelighthouseonline.com/articles/clump.html - Clumping clay litters, a deadly convenience. This one is short and sweet. http://kapush.net/cat-litter/sodium-bentonite-cat-litter-dangers/ - Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of cindy reasoner Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 8:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President I disagree. Please can we just end all the political talk. Cindy Reasoner --- On Wed, 10/10/12, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: From: GRAS g...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 2:10 PM I must respectfully disagree, this wasn’t about bashing anyone– to state a platform on which a candidate is running is just that – no one was calling any candidate horrible names! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
My kitties don’t care much for the hard pellets either (they prefer the feline pine clumping), but if your babies don't mind it, then that's great! Whatever works and to each it's own :) L -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I had tried Feline Pine pellets and my guys did not like them. Got stuck between their pads and they went outside the bos in protest. Also, the pellets disolved into dust and I could not scoop it very good. World's Best makes nice clumps that life out nicely. Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I use pine pellets, $5.99 (tax exempt) at the feed store. A 40 lb. bag lasts me about a week. I scoop every day, dump and wash 5 boxes every 3-4 days. I have about 24 cats pooping and peeing non-stop in the boxes. Over 4 days turns into a major disaster. Of course, some of them think outside of the box. Then it's scrape and mop time. When I get some money (future, never?) I'm going to enclose my deck with the same gauge wire that my cat enclosure has. It's strong, not chicken wire so no possibility of injuries from cuts and keeps the cats contained (top also wired). Once the deck is enclosed they will have a living room size space to bird watch, moth hunt and laugh at the peacock. I will also be able to put a few litter boxes out there and if someone thinks outside of the box, there's the garden hose!! Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Amanda Vollaro avoll...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I, too have 7 boxes: 3 large, 2 medium, and 2 small ones. Does the bag of corn replace all of the litter in your boxes? Oh, and about how much is it by you? I can't afford anything really expensive, but I'm spending $20 a week now to replace the Tidy Cats Scoopable that I'm using. Add the cost of both dry and wet cat food, and I'm running up a bill that's about $100 per week! Argh. Amanda Vollaro avoll...@optonline.net 516-350-0131 - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter -Try World's Best liter, based on corn. If you scoop daily, it will last a long time. I have 7 liter boxes and only buy 1 bag every other month, maybe more in rainy/snowy weather. Course my guys go out for a couple of hours in early am and early afternoon. We much prefer dry leaves and dirt. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
Hi Edna You must have a sensitive nose. I don’t smell it when the urine hits the clumping pine. I truly love this cat litter and so do my fur-boys, thank goodness. It really has improved immensely. I just wish Petsmart would not store it on the top shelf. The box is almost twice as heavy as it was before they improved it (I purchase the clumping litter – not the hard pellets in the bag). I hope you and your fur-kids like it just as well, Lorrie. Whatever works for all our fur-babies, right?! L From: Edna Taylor Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 11:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I am glad some can use the pine litter. I couldn't stand the smell once it interacts with poop and/or urine - PEEEUU. I have a very sensitive nose and just can't abide some smells. Hence the scoopable clay litter ;) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:17:56 -0400 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter This sounds like the best bet for me. I really have to have scoopable litter. I once found a bag of Feline Pine Scoopable and it worked wonderfully. The pellets are horrible tho. The problem is we now live in a very small town (rural area) and I have never seen the Pine Scoopable here. I'll try on line. Lorrie On 10-08, Lynda Wilson wrote: I use Feline Pine - scoopable, not the pellets (it's too hard on their feet in my opinion). It has improved immensely! It clumps better and leaves less on the floor than what it used to. It lasts a long time too. L ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org wlEmoticon-smile[1].png___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topics toappropriate lists
AMEN, thanks James! -Original Message- From: Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topics toappropriate lists Loud and Clear. Thank you! And I too hope you don't have to suspend this very valuable resource! Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James G Wilson Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topics to appropriate lists Hey all, I must reiterate that this list is for discussing FeLV, treatments, and support for caregivers. It is NOT a politics, hunting, personal soapbox, etc. list. We have a well-defined mission here to discuss FeLV. All of these other topics need to be taken to forums where such topics are discussed. I would hate to have to suspend this list because some want to ignore or bring their own interpretations into my gentle reminder about OT posting here. But, if suspending this list for a short time is the only way to stop the continuation of the off-topic chatter, I will have to do so. It is rude to continue these conversations after being asked to stop. Thank you for your consideration and cooperation. Kind regards. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hartz
I'm so sorry for the senseless loss of your beloved fur-kid! I will share this info among family and friends. I hope Hartz goes out of business! Anyone know of any law suits? Glad I do not have any Hartz products in my home!! Lynda -Original Message- From: Diane Rosenfeldt Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 6:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hartz I am sorry you lost your kitty in this senseless way. I never buy anything Hartz. Diane R. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 6:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hartz On 10-05, Lee Evans wrote: PLEASE, whatever you do, don't buy Hartz products. They are a company that doesn't care if animals die from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for life. Thanks for bringing this up, Lee. I learned the hard way and used Hartz flea stuff for cats on one of my rescues, and he died in days from liver failure. I am appalled that this company is allowed to sell their stuff. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
I use Feline Pine - scoopable, not the pellets (it's too hard on their feet in my opinion). It has improved immensely! It clumps better and leaves less on the floor than what it used to. It lasts a long time too. L -Original Message- From: Lorrie Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 3:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I use scoopable litter, but I use the dust free kind. Some scoopable litter is so dusty clouds of it billow up and this is obviously bad stuff. I never use any scoopinig litter with small kittens, but with as many grown cats as I have (total 24) I use very large litter boxes and I simply can't lift them (to dump) when they are filled with the clay litter. I have painful arthritis and I'm ancient... almost 80. I'd really like to hear from others on the list about who uses clay litter and who uses scoopable. Fresh Step and Tidy Cat scoopable don't seem to have any dust at all, but it's scary to think scoopable litter is so bad. Lorrie On 10-08, Natalie wrote: Liter, especially clumping litter, should be banned - I have tons of info on it, how a company responded to a concerned cat owner, Buyer beware. I discourage all my adopters from using it. Sodium bentonite is fatal to cats if they inhale it, eat it, inadvertently when cleaning themselves - or kittens, while playing. People always seem to think that if something is expensive, it must be the best - and they want the best for their cats! Hartz litter is pretty disgusting, too! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] O T - SNOPES
Hi ~ just my opinion, I had always wondered, Why should we believe Snopes.com? Who is checking on them to make sure they are telling the truth and have facts. I went on their site along time ago and there was nothing that convinced me they would know anymore than anyone else that knows how to work, or manipulate computers. The bottom line is if anyone ever REALLY wants to know the truth about anything said, or on-line, you have to research/investigate it yourself. IF I care enough, that is what I do. I learned that lesson the hard way many years ago.. IF anyone cares enough to go outside of Snopes.com to research the information below to see if it is true ~ your choice. Why would this person not be telling the truth anymore than Snopes.com? My point is why should anyone believe Snopes.com. Who are they really.and. the truth has to be searched for, not provided by a ghost on line. Just my two cents~ **Read below** (I did not write this, but it sure has me wondering) SNOPES NO MORE - A MUST READ I HOPE THIS OPENS EYES AND MINDS. I HAVE FORWARDED SOMETHING AND SOMEONE WOULD WRITE ME BACK AND SAY SNOPES SAID IT WAS FALSE. Many of the emails that I have sent or forwarded that had any anti-Obama in it were negated by Snopes. I thought that was odd. Check this out. Snopes, Soros and the Supreme Court’s Kagan. We-l-l-l-l now, I guess the time has come to check out Snopes! Ya' don't suppose it might not be a good time to take a second look at some of the stuff that got kicked in the ditch by Snopes, do ya'? We've known that it was owned by a lefty couple, but hadn't known it to be financed by Soros! Snopes is heavily financed by George Soros; a big time supporter of Obama! In our Search for the Truth department, we find what I have suspected on many occasions. I went to Snopes to check something about the dockets of the new Supreme Court Justice, Elena Kagan who Obama appointed and Snopes said the email was false and there were no such dockets so I Googled the Supreme Court, typed in Obama-Kagan, and guess what? Yep, you got it; Snopes Lied! Everyone of those dockets are there. So Here is what I wrote to Snopes: Referencing the article about Elena Kagan and Barack Obama dockets: The information you have posted stating that there were no such cases as claimed and the examples you gave are blatantly false. I went directly to the Supreme Courts website, typed in Obama Kagan and immediately came up with all of the dockets that the article made reference to. I have long suspected that you really slant things but this was really shocking. Thank You! I hope you will be much more truthful in the future, but I doubt it. That being said, I’ll bet you didn't know this: Kagan was representing Obama in all the petitions to prove his citizenship. Now she may help rule on them. Folks, this is really ugly. Chicago Politics; and the beat goes on and on and on. Once again the US Senate sold us out! Now we know why Obama nominated Elena Kagan for the Supreme Court. Pull up the Supreme Courts website, go to the docket and search for Obama. She was the Solicitor General for all the suits against him filed with the Supreme Court to show proof of natural born citizenship. He owed her big time. All of the requests were denied of course. They were never heard. It just keeps getting deeper and deeper, doesn't it? The American people mean nothing any longer. It's all about payback time for those who compromised themselves to elect someone who really has no true right to even be there. Here are some websites of the Supreme Court Docket: You can look up some of these hearings and guess what? Elena Kagan is the attorney representing Obama! Check out these examples: http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-8857.htm http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-6790.htm http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/09-724.htm If you are not interested in justice or in truth, simply delete. However, if you hold sacred the freedoms granted to you by the U.S. Constitution; by all means, PASS it ON! There truly is tyranny afoot. Valerie Barnes Office Manager/Bookkeeper G.W. Bulluck Elementary School (252)985.3456 (252)442.2370 fax ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts
I pray that he is still alive and they can save him. Keep us posted! Lynda From: Sharyl Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts Will keep Barnaby in my prayers Sharyl From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: FeLV Talk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 5:28 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts One of my FeLV foster cats, Barnaby, was adopted last week. His adopters kept him in a bathroom for 2 days (they were told to give him at least 2 weeks to get used to being moved) then let him out in a house. He immediately went in a crawl space in the basement. The space is inaccessible. He has not eaten food that has been left in the ceiling. This is going on a week now he has not had food or water. We are going over tonight to with a snake camera which can see into tight places. We have to decide whether to cut a hole in the side of the house or remove the bathtub. Please don't judge this persons involved. Just please keep him in your thoughts tonight. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts
Yay I'm so happy for you him. Hang in there Barnaby. Blessings to all~ L -Original Message- From: Beth Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts After 5 hrs we have him. What an evening! Barnaby is on his way to the emergency vet. Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I'm so sorry and admire for your plea of non judgement. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: One of my FeLV foster cats, Barnaby, was adopted last week. His adopters kept him in a bathroom for 2 days (they were told to give him at least 2 weeks to get used to being moved) then let him out in a house. He immediately went in a crawl space in the basement. The space is inaccessible. He has not eaten food that has been left in the ceiling. This is going on a week now he has not had food or water. We are going over tonight to with a snake camera which can see into tight places. We have to decide whether to cut a hole in the side of the house or remove the bathtub. Please don't judge this persons involved. Just please keep him in your thoughts tonight. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Herpes
The Lysine worked for one of my cats, but not the other. My vet prescribed 10ml of Idoxuridine 0.1% solution. This is compounded by a Pharmacy, www.svpmeds.com. I saw fast results the first day, but he still gets the red-crusty crud in the corner of his eyes by the next morning, rather than several times throughout the day. I will keep you posted on its progress. The cost was $17 plus $7 shipping. This is expensive if you are treating several cats :( Lynda -Original Message- From: Lorrie Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:37 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Herpes Kathy, I haven't tried it yet, but I will. I have so many cats and being so darned old now (79) I can hardly keep up with it all. It's also very important to me to keep my house and litter boxes scrupulously clean, as well as my shelter in town, so each day I work til I'm ready to drop. I'll try the Lysine tho, and let you know. Lorrie On 07-24, Kathryn Hargreaves wrote: Lorrie, Does it work to give your Herpes kitty more Lysine per day? It did with mine. Kathy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Foster mom devastated at a FELV positive test result
Jamie, How old are the other cats that are actually yours? If they are not real young and are not senior's, they more than likely will not contract the disease even though they were exposed. But since you have a big heart in helping other fur babies, then it won't hurt to vaccinate your cat(s) against FeLV for the future. It will NOT make the test positive if you vaccinate them and you will have peace of mind if you do vaccinate them against FeLV if you ever take in more litters or strays. My experience is I adopted a very sweet orange kitty from my local humane society when he was 3 mos old. I fostered him until he was old enough to be neutered at 6 mos, then adopted him after. At 9 mos, he was too far gone with the disease that I had no other choice. He and my other cat were very playful together, and groomed each other, etc. I was worried he may have contracted it. But he never did. He was a little over a year old so his immune system was good. Since this experience, I continue to vaccinate all of my cats even though they are all strictly indoor only. I know in my heart that if a stray finds me, I will not turn it away. So if I were you I would go get your other babies vaccinated, it won't hurt them. But do get them tested in 90 days. I wish you the best and I did look at your photos on Facebook. They are much too precious. I love the markings on the black and white kittens. They are irresistible! - Original Message - From: Jamielynn Storch To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:38 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Foster mom devastated at a FELV positive test result April ACCT is exactly where I am fostering these guys for- so upsetting that they dont test. I as well assumed it was done. They will only test if requested by the foster home yet they dont educate the foster homes that its something they need to ask for. I understand as bottlefeeders the test is inaccurate anyway but still I had no clue I was even evers supposed ot ask for it. My first set of kittens were adopted out and never tested- if they come up positive at some point I would be so upset for the adopters. I also never would have exposed them to my cats until tested if I had known. I am feeling more confident that the chances of transmission to my cats are hopefully slim with their very limited and minimal interaction. Im sad having them contained in the room right now but they are happy and in my eyes at this point perfectly healthy. Hoping they flip negative. ITs very helpful hearing other peoples experience. April I give you all the credit in the world for sticking with your baby and making it work. I am so concerned for if they stay positive as to what that means for them. The shetler has a rescue supposedly that will take them but I dont want to just throw them at some rescue if its someting I can still work to find placement for them. I try to stick to my commitments and I love these babies BUT the thing thats not possible is for me to adopt them long term. Thats always been out of the question. I have 2 cats of my own and the current cat room was actually going to begin transformation into a baby nursery after this litter. Its all so overwhelming...I feel the weight of their lives and futures literally in my hands. Euthanization is obviously not an option or consideration for me unless it was a quality of life thing. Wrapping my brain around how to work through this and what the best course of action is if they are positive is where Im struggling most. Deep breaths I keep telling myself..one day at a time. -- Jamielynn Storch www.jlynnphotographyonline.com -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can. Thank you! Lynda Wilson___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
CHARLES - DO NOT USE MY THREAD TO RESPOND TO YOUR PREVIOUS COMMENTS REGARDING YOUR PROBLEM. I'M TRYING TO FIND THIS FIV CAT A HOME!!! Again, Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can. Thank you! Lynda Wilson - Original Message - From: Charles Adams To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At least I am honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats. -- From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can. Thank you! Lynda Wilson ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
Austin, Tx has a total of 400 kittens needing homes - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Seems that Chuck is the one being rude (for the most part) and well, keeping his cat in a cage outside just doesn't seem like the type of person that REALLY cares about his cat, but hey, just my opinion. Also, rescuers are entitled to get a bit miffed when someone is adding to the problem because ONLY 1 out of every 10 kittens born will find a home, the rest either die in the shelter or on the streets. WE DON'T NEED MORE PEOPLE BREEDING CATS. If you want to see some examples, I would be happy to put together a word document with the thousands of emails I get from the Houston area every day regarding need homes for these kittens/cats list of cats to die today, etc. etc. -- From: mckennas...@power-net.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:31:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home What the hell kinda group did I join here? I thought this was suppose to be an information and support sight for people with kitties with FIV and FeLuk. Geez, people. I do not agree with breeding, but you’re not gonna change his mind by being nasty. From: Natalie Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Chuck – not only are you rudely calling list members jerks with their heads up their asses, now we’re a bunch of crooks who want to take that unfortunate future “breeder” cat to sell to another breeder, lining our own pockets; this may be your mentality – it’s not ours (if I may speak for everyone here on this one point). There’s honesty and there’s reality, and it’s not pretty. Here’s an analogy: If a murderer admits to killing someone, does that make him a good guy just because he was honest? What’s your point – no, please don’t answer. Just because the woman who sold you the FeLV+ cat pulled the wool over your eyes, you feel slighted, and now she’s the little tramp – you allowed yourself to be duped because you thought you could make a few bucks off this cat and yours, however, the loser in these cases is always the female breeder cat. I would be careful about using all those lovely epithets on this list’s members, who have tried hard with suggestions to help you. Have you even tried some of the very good suggestions from all the members who wrote on the subject? I happen to care about cats, no matter whose they are. http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=istry+of+FeLV+positive+cats+shelters From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Charles Adams Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At least I am honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats. -- From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can. Thank you! Lynda Wilson ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Picked up Orlandos ashes today
Thank you for giving Orlando all of your love. He was lucky to have you! Lynda - Original Message - From: Lee Evans To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Picked up Orlandos ashes today I'm so sorry for your loss. I lost a flame point Siamese two years ago. I had named him Taco even though he was rescued from a vacant lot outside a Pizza Hut Restaurant. I had him for about 2 years. Then he suddenly stopped eating. He was diagnosed with lymphoma. He hadn't wasted away and didn't seem to be in pain. I thought we still had some time. However, I came home a week after his diagnosis and he was asleep forever. I still haven't stopped crying. Such a beautiful boy and so patient with everyone. He bonded to the other FeLv+ cat I had at the time, Smooch. Less than three months later, Smooch began wasting away, even though he was eating. The vet couldn't figure out what was wrong. Smooch passed away in a month after that. He also went quietly to sleep. I'm not much of a believer but I'd like to think that those two are together somewhere. Hugs to you for taking care of Orlando when most people would have denied him his few years of love and compassion. -- From: Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 6:47 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Picked up Orlandos ashes today It has been one week since I took Orlando to the vets for the last time. His tumor had gotten large enough to be causing him pain and he had stopped eating. He was such a wonderful cat, my loving flame point Siamese boy. The first time I met him in the rescues FeLV room he reached up and gave me a hug. From then on he was my boy and I can't believe he is gone and I will never see him again in this world. He was about 10 when I adopted him and that was four years ago. He would come up and bite me in the butt for attention when I was working on the computer. If I got up at night to go to the bathroom he would accompany me. Always. I guess that was how I knew it was time. On the last night he didn't do that. He will be SO missed. I hate hate hate this disease. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mama died in my arms last night
Amen to that, Diane! I'm so sorry for your loss Czadna! Lynda - Original Message - From: Diane Rosenfeldt To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mama died in my arms last night I'm sorry to hear this, Czadna, but I'm sure Mama was exactly where she wanted to be at the end. May your beautiful Mama have a joyous reunion with BreAnne, TorieRose and Isaac at the Bridge. Hugs to you. Diane R. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 4:22 PM To: feline leukemia list Subject: [Felvtalk] Mama died in my arms last night Her eyes were clear and wonderfully green and her fur luxurious; her teeth were good. Mama was highly anemic. She crashed in about a 10-day period. Mama wasn't Isaac's mama. He left in Feburary 2011. Some of you will remember his story. Mama was his acting mama. Now he and Mama and BreAnne and TorieRose are together. Thank you for being with us. purrs rubs cz -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Darn those shelter vets! It sure is hard to find a good one these days!! I'm so
sorry that you are dealing with all of this and that the poor kitty can't get a
vet that cares. Bless your heart for paying for tests out of your pocket. I do
hope that she makes it and is not suffering.
Glad to hear though that she is eating treats and getting your love. I know you
are doing everything possible and I bet somehow, she knows that :)
I hope she gets better, I really do.
Thanks for the update!
Lynda
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From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
finally I have a quick minute to give you guys an update.
Yesterday I took the kitten to one of those vets. The kind that looks at
her symptoms and says it all FeLV related without doing any test. He said
she's not going to live long and didn't want to waste the humane society's
money by doing any tests. I told him not to worry about it because I was
paying for the test and I wanted him to do blood work . So he did and she
doesn't have anemia but her protein levels are elevated which suggests FIP, as
I suspected . She had a fever so I ask him to give her sub q fluids . I have
no idea why I had to ask for fluids and he didn't suggest it. I guess because
he just wanted me to let her die. Another vet on my blacklist. I guess it's
just another cat to him. Won't be seeing that SOB again.
It was important for me to get a diagnosis of FIP because I've been in
contact with a vet at the university of TN that is going to let me try a new
drug for the dry form of FIP. It's not on the market yet but the clinical
trials look good. I don't know if I will get the drug in time to make a
difference for my kitten but it's worth a try. The drug is actually an immune
stimulant called polyprenyl immunostimulant. Since my kitten has FeLV in
addition to FIP it may not help. But she's going to die anyway so why not try
it.
She's feeling better now that her fever is gone but she's still wobbly on her
hind legs and now the other eye has uveitis. I don't know how much longer she
has. I'm so depressed about it, but I'm giving her lots of attention and
treats.
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- Reply message -
From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, May 1, 2012 9:44 pm
Maureen,
How is she today? Any updates?
Best wishes!
Lynda
- Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
My Shadow was not FELv, he had a blood clot on his spine. I let him out
one morning and when i wnet to check on all of my cats, he could not get up.
He had been on the deck and the sun got hot, so he had drug himself into the
shade. When I tried to pick him up, he screamed. We took him to Missouri
Universtiy Vet hosp about 3 hours away. They did and MRI and all kinds of
tests. We finally let him go because he was so old and would not have been
able to make it thru surgery.
Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
I've had several FelV positive kittens who have been exactly like
this..Less playful than others their age, and finally wobbly
in the back legs then complete loss of the use of the back legs.
Lorrie
On 04-28, molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:
I have a FeLV kitten that I'm fostering. She's six or seven
months
old. She's the one I emailed about a couple months ago with
uveitis.
The uveitis never has completely cleared up. But now I'm not
sure
what's going on. Her back legs are kind of wobbly. It's not
bad
enough that my husband has noticed yet, but I can see it. It's
like
she's slightly drunk. She's walking okay with the front legs but
her
back legs give way a little or something when she's walking.
She's
eating and going to the bathroom. She doesn't run around and play
as
much as the other cats do, but never really has. She's just a
real
mellow and loving kitten and I just thought that must be why she's
not
as playful. I'm not sure though. She's not growing a lot too.
The
other kitten her age, not related, has grown much faster than she
has.
So any ideas? Why do you guys think she's started getting wobbly
in
the back legs. She can still jump on things but not as sure-footed
as
the others. I don't know if her muscles are getting weak or if
she's
anemic or what. A couple months ago her bloodwork at the vet's
office
was okay. I assume this is FeLV related but before I go to the
vet
I'd
Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Maureen, How is she today? Any updates? Best wishes! Lynda - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? My Shadow was not FELv, he had a blood clot on his spine. I let him out one morning and when i wnet to check on all of my cats, he could not get up. He had been on the deck and the sun got hot, so he had drug himself into the shade. When I tried to pick him up, he screamed. We took him to Missouri Universtiy Vet hosp about 3 hours away. They did and MRI and all kinds of tests. We finally let him go because he was so old and would not have been able to make it thru surgery. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I've had several FelV positive kittens who have been exactly like this..Less playful than others their age, and finally wobbly in the back legs then complete loss of the use of the back legs. Lorrie On 04-28, molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I have a FeLV kitten that I'm fostering. She's six or seven months old. She's the one I emailed about a couple months ago with uveitis. The uveitis never has completely cleared up. But now I'm not sure what's going on. Her back legs are kind of wobbly. It's not bad enough that my husband has noticed yet, but I can see it. It's like she's slightly drunk. She's walking okay with the front legs but her back legs give way a little or something when she's walking. She's eating and going to the bathroom. She doesn't run around and play as much as the other cats do, but never really has. She's just a real mellow and loving kitten and I just thought that must be why she's not as playful. I'm not sure though. She's not growing a lot too. The other kitten her age, not related, has grown much faster than she has. So any ideas? Why do you guys think she's started getting wobbly in the back legs. She can still jump on things but not as sure-footed as the others. I don't know if her muscles are getting weak or if she's anemic or what. A couple months ago her bloodwork at the vet's office was okay. I assume this is FeLV related but before I go to the vet I'd like to be prepared and have some ideas of what's going on. Maureen ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Oh no! I certainly hope not!! Are you going to get her tested? Sending prayers your way! Lynda - Original Message - From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be? I hate to say it but I have a feeling it's FIP. I read a lot about it last night and she has a lot of the symptoms of the dry form. I'll give a few more details later. It breaks my heart. Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] What could it be? Date: Sat, Apr 28, 2012 5:35 pm I've had several FelV positive kittens who have been exactly like this..Less playful than others their age, and finally wobbly in the back legs then complete loss of the use of the back legs. Lorrie On 04-28, molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I have a FeLV kitten that I'm fostering. She's six or seven months old. She's the one I emailed about a couple months ago with uveitis. The uveitis never has completely cleared up. But now I'm not sure what's going on. Her back legs are kind of wobbly. It's not bad enough that my husband has noticed yet, but I can see it. It's like she's slightly drunk. She's walking okay with the front legs but her back legs give way a little or something when she's walking. She's eating and going to the bathroom. She doesn't run around and play as much as the other cats do, but never really has. She's just a real mellow and loving kitten and I just thought that must be why she's not as playful. I'm not sure though. She's not growing a lot too. The other kitten her age, not related, has grown much faster than she has. So any ideas? Why do you guys think she's started getting wobbly in the back legs. She can still jump on things but not as sure-footed as the others. I don't know if her muscles are getting weak or if she's anemic or what. A couple months ago her bloodwork at the vet's office was okay. I assume this is FeLV related but before I go to the vet I'd like to be prepared and have some ideas of what's going on. Maureen ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] What_could_it_be?
I've never heard of CH, thanks for the info. Diabetes is not good even though it's treatable. I do hope that you get more blood work done even though you stated the bloodwork was okay a couple of months ago. Have you noticed an increase in fluids or urination? Keep us posted, I will be thinking of you. You have helped me in so many ways in the past. What meds did your vet give for the uveitis? Good luck, Maureen! Lynda - Original Message - From: ter...@tazzys.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What_could_it_be? Maureen, She could be a CH Kitty...Cerebellar Hypoplasia this can happen in both cats and dogs at a young age. Some are born with it. It is a Brain Neuro issue. It can affect any kitty whether they are FELV or not. I have 2 kitties that have this as they are Siamese. One is about 6-7 months old and the other is a senior. You can also go to facebook and look this up under this. (Cerebellar Hypoplasia Kitties) I'm on the group as well. It will give you more details. There is help and a great deal of knowledge. You can google this as well. My suggestion is to take the kitty to the Vet for blood-work. If the blood-work comes back clean ask your Vet about this. A good Vet will make it more understanding for you. Some animal shelters will euthanized both kittens/cats/puppies/dogs that have this. They don't want to deal with a special needs animal. My kitties came from out of state shelters. These animals can live very full lives. They just aren't normal they can eat, play, sleep, and use the potty like others but slower with handicaps. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2012 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] What_could_it_be? From: molvey...@hotmail.com molvey...@hotmail.com Date: Sat, April 28, 2012 4:51 am To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I have a FeLV kitten that I'm fostering. She's six or seven months old. She's the one I emailed about a couple months ago with uveitis. The uveitis never has completely cleared up. But now I'm not sure what's going on. Her back legs are kind of wobbly. It's not bad enough that my husband has noticed yet, but I can see it. It's like she's slightly drunk. She's walking okay with the front legs but her back legs give way a little or something when she's walking. She's eating and going to the bathroom. She doesn't run around and play as much as the other cats do, but never really has. She's just a real mellow and loving kitten and I just thought that must be why she's not as playful. I'm not sure though. She's not growing a lot too. The other kitten her age, not related, has grown much faster than she has. So any ideas? Why do you guys think she's started getting wobbly in the back legs. She can still jump on things but not as sure-footed as the others. I don't know if her muscles are getting weak or if she's anemic or what. A couple months ago her bloodwork at the vet's office was okay. I assume this is FeLV related but before I go to the vet I'd like to be prepared and have some ideas of what's going on. Maureen Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] last email I received
This is the last email I think I have receiveddated 3-22-12. - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: botha.marin...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 23 FIRST, make sure your new kitty is vaccinated and just to be safe, I would sterilize food and water bowls, boxes and toys, or replace the toys, Easy to get new milk bottle caps, cardboard boxes, rocks, etc. botha.marin...@gmail.com wrote: Ginger: we want to introduce a 12 week old kitty to our home. What precautions should we take since my beloved Ginger kitty died of feline leukemia? Please help! Marinda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 12:00:02 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 23 Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Scarpetta and Foley Please Add to the CLS :( :( (Sherry DeHaan) 2. Re: Scarpetta and Foley Please Add to the CLS :( :( (ter...@tazzys.org) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:19:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Scarpetta and Foley Please Add to the CLS :( :( Message-ID: 1331947153.4.yahoomailclas...@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 So yesterday one of our former Sids kids Scarpetta had to be let gohe was one sweet boy...I remember the first time meeting himI looked at him, I told him boy you sure are an ugly kittyhe looked at me with his loving beautiful eyes?and gave the sweetest yet strangest meowand instantly he became one of the most beautiful cats I had the honor to know and love...he had a wonderful home for about the last 6 months with our wonderful volunteer Marcia...she has taken home several extra special needs Sids kids and has lost them within this last year...bless her warm heart for taking home some of the most wonderful cats ? Foley,oh Foley...he went home almost a year ago with Julie another awesome kind hearted lady that also has taken home many special Sids kids and have lost so many too recently...well this wonderful tiger boy left this world today...my heart is broken...I was going to go visit him and several of the other former Sids kids this sunday,,,but Julie sent me a message today that she has to let him go...I will be getting a clay paw print of his...he has a paw print in my heart as do all the wonderful Sids kidsso much sadness lately. :( Bless you all...hug your babies tight... Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://felineleukemia.org/pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20120316/4aa7f373/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:28:49 -0700 From: ter...@tazzys.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scarpetta and Foley Please Add to the CLS :( :( Message-ID: 20120317072849.2525078891db7ed7bee9a8d44bd4a6ae.a448074286@email12.secureserver.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://felineleukemia.org/pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20120317/7e43a584/attachment-0001.html -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 23 *** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 23
I know you are asking Ginger, but I thought I would chime in. I had the same worry as you. I did lots of reading on it and most of the info was that the virus does not live long outside the body for more than a few hours. But for my own piece of mind, I discarded all the bowls, the litter box, and washed all blankets/bedding that my FeLV kitty favored. I hope this helps. Congrats on getting a new kitty! Lynda - Original Message - From: botha.marin...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 23 Ginger: we want to introduce a 12 week old kitty to our home. What precautions should we take since my beloved Ginger kitty died of feline leukemia? Please help! Marinda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 12:00:02 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 23 Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Scarpetta and Foley Please Add to the CLS :( :( (Sherry DeHaan) 2. Re: Scarpetta and Foley Please Add to the CLS :( :( (ter...@tazzys.org) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 18:19:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Scarpetta and Foley Please Add to the CLS :( :( Message-ID: 1331947153.4.yahoomailclas...@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 So yesterday one of our former Sids kids Scarpetta had to be let gohe was one sweet boy...I remember the first time meeting himI looked at him, I told him boy you sure are an ugly kittyhe looked at me with his loving beautiful eyes?and gave the sweetest yet strangest meowand instantly he became one of the most beautiful cats I had the honor to know and love...he had a wonderful home for about the last 6 months with our wonderful volunteer Marcia...she has taken home several extra special needs Sids kids and has lost them within this last year...bless her warm heart for taking home some of the most wonderful cats ? Foley,oh Foley...he went home almost a year ago with Julie another awesome kind hearted lady that also has taken home many special Sids kids and have lost so many too recently...well this wonderful tiger boy left this world today...my heart is broken...I was going to go visit him and several of the other former Sids kids this sunday,,,but Julie sent me a message today that she has to let him go...I will be getting a clay paw print of his...he has a paw print in my heart as do all the wonderful Sids kidsso much sadness lately. :( Bless you all...hug your babies tight... Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://felineleukemia.org/pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20120316/4aa7f373/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:28:49 -0700 From: ter...@tazzys.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scarpetta and Foley Please Add to the CLS :( :( Message-ID: 20120317072849.2525078891db7ed7bee9a8d44bd4a6ae.a448074286@email12.secureserver.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://felineleukemia.org/pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/attachments/20120317/7e43a584/attachment-0001.html -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 23 *** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
Oh don't shoot him, make him suffer the same way he made those poor babies suffer. An eye for an eye in this case! Good for you for telling the attorney's your opinion! I'd say the same thing :0) - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort I agree. PETA does not have too good a record themselves. This man simply got in over his head and did not know how to solve the problem. I also agree about those who tortue. There was a man in the St. Louis area who adopted puppies and kittens and then trtured them to death. He kept them alive as long as possible so he could enjoy their sufering. If I had my way, this man would have been shot on site. I was called for jury duty on an animal cruelty case. They asked me if I had an opinion on the case. I said shot the sob. They didn't call me for that jury. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: When I first saw a video about this ranch a few years ago, I wondered how anyone could possible keep track of and care for so many cats, especially when there's absolutely no control over them, in all those little houses (no matter how cute they are), no central feeding place, etc. I am not really surprised! However, the fact that PETA is involved, worries me a bit..for several reasons. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:51 AM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/good-mews-assists-aspca-in-rescue-of -600-cats#photo-9221699 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Animal abuse
I like your way of thinking Lorrie! - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Animal abuse On 03-01, Lynda Wilson wrote: Oh don't shoot him, make him suffer the same way he made those poor babies suffer. An eye for an eye in this case! Good for you for telling the attorney's your opinion! I'd say the same thing :0) I don't like PETA being in on this case either. I think Craig Grant got in over his head, but didn't mean to abuse the cats. AS for jury duty I'd say I had to listen to the details before making a decision. That way I'd be chosen for the jury. Then when the jury voted I'd give this cruel SOB what he deserves. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Is my kitten having his first FIV/FELV episode?
Any update? I'm thinking of your kitty and hope everything is better. Please let us know, thanks! - Original Message - From: Rashel Mereness To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 12:12 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Is my kitten having his first FIV/FELV episode? Hi - I'm new and have been reading the threads but I don't seen anything that addresses my situation. We have an 8 month old kitty that tested positive for FIV (or was it FELV?) at a young age, and we plan to get him retested. He has been healthy, playful and had a great appetite. A few weeks ago, however, he started eating less and less of his kibble, which we attributed to him wanting only the wet food we were giving to the dog. So we kept mixing a little into his kibble but he was eating less but was otherwise fine. Then we went away over the weekend and came back to find him very lethargic and breathing very heavy - not making a lot of noise with the breathing, but we can see his lungs expanding and contracting a great deal and very quickly. He won't eat, except he ate some of his favorite treats. We had someone (who he doesn't know) staying at our house Friday and then a person (who he knows) stopping in on Saturday and Sunday. They said he didn't eat much. No mucous, no sneezing. Sound like anything you have experienced? -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Is my kitten having his first FIV/FELV episode?
Please, take him to the ER if your vet is not opened. This may be life threatening. Please keep us posted. I will be thinking of him! - Original Message - From: Rashel Mereness To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 12:12 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Is my kitten having his first FIV/FELV episode? Hi - I'm new and have been reading the threads but I don't seen anything that addresses my situation. We have an 8 month old kitty that tested positive for FIV (or was it FELV?) at a young age, and we plan to get him retested. He has been healthy, playful and had a great appetite. A few weeks ago, however, he started eating less and less of his kibble, which we attributed to him wanting only the wet food we were giving to the dog. So we kept mixing a little into his kibble but he was eating less but was otherwise fine. Then we went away over the weekend and came back to find him very lethargic and breathing very heavy - not making a lot of noise with the breathing, but we can see his lungs expanding and contracting a great deal and very quickly. He won't eat, except he ate some of his favorite treats. We had someone (who he doesn't know) staying at our house Friday and then a person (who he knows) stopping in on Saturday and Sunday. They said he didn't eat much. No mucous, no sneezing. Sound like anything you have experienced? -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] When to start treatment?
Vicky, I would start your kitty on a healthy diet if she is for sure FeLV positive. I hope that you confirmed the first test with an IFA test, just to be sure. How old is the cat? I know there are members of this group, other than myself, that are more familiar with the diet and meds that you should consider using. Give them a little time to chime in. Good luck to you and your sweet kitty! Lynda - Original Message - From: Vicky Eyal To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 12:09 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] When to start treatment? I was just wondering when the best time to start treatment for FeLV is? While the cat is still healthy or best to wait until he/she is visibly sick? Also, which of the treatments mentioned on the site would you recommend? I am leaning towards Interferon, just because there seems to be more anecdotal evidence around for that - thoughts? Are your cats on multi-vitimins or anything to boost/support the immune system? Thanks so much, V xx -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My Siggie
All cats are very dear to me, they are a big part of my family and are treated that way. But all the orange kitties I've had, have been extremely loveable. They all leave paw prints on my heart :) - Original Message - From: GRAS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 6:02 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: My Siggie Actually, the feral cat, Corgi, who had a blood clot, couldn't move hind legs at all, clot was dissolved, who has a limp now - IS orange! After he was treated, he became one of the most friendly cats in our household, and all the cats that are with him absolutely adore him - he's a real caretaker kitty! There's something about all cats, whether tabbies, white, orange, buff, black, very specific to how they look. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 1:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My Siggie Terri, So sorry for your loss of Siggie. Orange tabbies are very dear to my heart! RIP, Siggie. Hugs to you Terri~ Lynda -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org image003.jpg___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I am always with her
This is so beautiful! So glad you shared it with us :) - Original Message - From: GRAS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 5:48 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] I am always with her For everyone who has lost a precious feline! Natalie I Am Always With Her And God Asked the Feline Spirit, Are you Ready to Come Home? Oh Yes, Quite So, Replied the Precious Soul, And As a Cat, You Know I Am Most Able To Decide Anything For Myself.Are You Coming Then? Asked God. Soon, Replied the Whiskered Angel, For You See, I Must Come Slowly, For My Human Friend is Troubled and Sad and She Needs Me Quite Certainly. Doesn't She Understand, Asked God, That You Will Never Leave Her That Your Souls Are Intertwined For All Eternity. That Nothing Is Created or Destroyed! It Just Is.Forever and Ever. Eventually She Will Understand, Replied the Glorious Cat For I Will Whisper Into Her Heart That I Am Always With Her! I Just Am, Forever and Ever -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] CAT LOVERS: OMG!!! comments deadline 2/16! Stop theannual slaughter of bobcats in NY for the foreign fur market..
Good to know, thanks Marcia! - Original Message - From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] CAT LOVERS: OMG!!! comments deadline 2/16! Stop theannual slaughter of bobcats in NY for the foreign fur market.. I hate traps and trappers. But then we also have the people who buy their product. They are also disgusting. Echo bakeware manufactures traps. I refused, years ago to purchase any of their products, ever again! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 14, 2012, at 8:32 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I would like to set out traps for the hunters. Let them struggle to free themselves and die in fear from the elements. If they have to hunt them at least give them a fighting chance, the ability to spot you and get away. Ths is such a lazy way of hunting. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: It might be happening in your state, too!!! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 8:43 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] CAT LOVERS: OMG!!! comments deadline 2/16! Stop the annual slaughter of bobcats in NY for the foreign fur market.. I don't live there and it pisses me off!! People can be SO cruel and miserably stupid!! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 13, 2012, at 7:14 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Stop the annual slaughter of bobcats in NY for the foreign fur market As a NY taxpayer I am outraged and appalled to learn of the DEC plan to increase the numbers and areas where bobcats can be hunted and killed. The bobcat is an important member of our natural community and should not be killed for sport or for their fur. The hunting and cruel slaughter of this magnificent animal is objectionable to most animal lovers and NY residents and endangers many other animals including household pets who get caught in the cruel traps set by hunters. This is the 21st century and there can be no justification for this barbaric and inhumane treatment of our wildlife. Zelda Penzel, President People for the End of Animal Cruelty and Exploitation NY, NY ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FIP
Just a note regarding FIP. Please be advised not to vaccinate against it. The vaccine is very controversial and the cat will ALWAYS test positive for it if given the vaccination.. This is too important not to mention L - Original Message - From: Lee Evans To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New and Some Questions There is no reliable test for FIP. Your cat tested positive for corona virus. Most cats will test positive for corona virus and never get ill. FIP is caused by a form of corona virus to which some cats are genetically predisposed to contract if exposed to it. FIP is not rare but it's definitely not very prevalent. I have had cats who tested above 400 for corona virus and never got FIP and a cat who definitely had FIP but tested very low for corona virus. He had apparently been exposed to the form that he was predisposed to contract. He was also a street cat, in poor health in general. Lee From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New and Some Questions YES! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New and Some Questions Anyone: do you have to repeat the Felv vac every year? On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Vicky Eyal vi...@droreyal.co.za wrote: Hi Everyone I am new to this list and to the world of Feline Leukemia. We have 3 precious cats, and we found out at the end of last year that two are FeLV positive, and of those two, one is FIP positive as well :( Details: Kitty1 (11 years old, male) is the reason we got any of them tested at all. He was just a little off - more subdued, less energy, a little on the skinny side. He tested positive for FeLV and FIP. Our vet put him on a round of cortisone and antibiotics, and he seemed to bounce back. He still isn't completely 100% though (although hard to pinpint actual behaviours, more just a general sense I have), and is still skinnier than I would like. Kitty2 (11 years old, male) also tested positive for FeLV (but not FIP). He currently has no noticeable symptoms at all, although he does vomit a lot. This has been going on for 5-6 years though, and he is long-haired, so I don't think it is related. Kitty3 (1 year old, male) tested negative for both viruses (and FIV). We had him vaccinated against FeLV when he tested negative, and he had the booster 4 weeks later. We will continue to give him the vaccination every year. If you got through all of this, thanks so much. Now my questions: Q1. I want to start Kitty1 on some form of treatment, just to build him up/keep him strong. I have the sense that all is not 100%, even although he is not noticeably unwell, is eating fine etc. I was thinking of asking our vet to start Interferon. Any thoughts here? Suggestions? Would something else be better? Would it be bad to start a treatment like this before he is noticeably sick? What is the recommended dosage here? Q2. Is there anything I should be doing for Kitty2. He seems fine, hasn't lost weight etc. He does throw up a lot, but has for the last 5-6 years. Q3. We have decided to keep Kitty3 instead of rehoming him, after a lot of thought. He has had 3 homes in the last year (a shelter rescue who was then neglected by the person who adopted him... g...), and he is so settled with us, that I worry about trying to find him yet another home. I think he must have been exposed by now in any case (the older boys would groom him on the face when he was little), so my prayer is that he has immunity. Am I being naive here? Should we find him another home? Q4. Any tips, advice, suggestions on what I can do to prolong our boys' lives with a reasonable quality? Thanks so much in advance. And sorry for the long message. Vicky ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind - UPDATE
That is great news!! Good question Natalie!! - Original Message - From: GRAS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind - UPDATE That's great news - so glad to hear it. I wonder what happens if the inhalant gas gets into the eyes somehow Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Anne Myles Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind - UPDATE Well I got surprisingly good news when I stopped at the vet around 5:00! Dublin is calmer, he drank and ate well, AND his pupils are showing light reflex now!! They constricted and he even flinched away when the vet shone the light in his eyes. So at least he should be able to sense light and dark, and with this much improvement in one afternoon who knows what there will be in a few days? The vet used inhaled anesthetic, not ketamine. It's still a mystery to him why this happened, and he is *extremely* cutting-edge and educated and experienced, and has never seen anything like this. It's not from hypoxia as the way they do the anesthetic apparently prevents that (the patient is getting oxygen during and after), not hypertension as that would show signs in the eye. Maybe something neurologic related to the FeLV? The vet and I are both frustrated not to know, but it's so hopeful that he is getting -- and feeling -- somewhat better. -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lucky Louie and Britta Please add to the CLS :(
I am so very sorry, Sherry. You have so much love and strength for these babies that need you so much. Glad though that Lucky Louie had you in his life. It was meant for you to have him, even for a short time. RIP Lucky Louie! Hugs to you Sherry ~ Lynda - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 7:35 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Lucky Louie and Britta Please add to the CLS :( Well it was another heartbreaking day for us today at Sids...Lucky Louie was a sweet little orange guy that had a rough start before coming to us.His story was a hawk has dropped him in his rescuers yard. Somehow he ended up with us and we had a short time to have had the chance to love this great little guy. Britta today when I was having my valentine visit with the Sids kids had a seizure right in front of me,it was the strangest thing I ever saw...but she came out of it,crawled into my lap and proceeded to purr and kneed my lapwas such a sweet moment for us. Well I just received an e-mail from Dr. Jen that little Britta collapsed and could not be helped...I will cherish that sweet moment I got to share with her today after she had scared me so. Heart is heavy tonight, Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] CAT LOVERS: OMG!!! comments deadline 2/16! Stop theannual slaughter of bobcats in NY for the foreign fur market..
Amen to that idea! - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] CAT LOVERS: OMG!!! comments deadline 2/16! Stop theannual slaughter of bobcats in NY for the foreign fur market.. I would like to set out traps for the hunters. Let them struggle to free themselves and die in fear from the elements. If they have to hunt them at least give them a fighting chance, the ability to spot you and get away. Ths is such a lazy way of hunting. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: It might be happening in your state, too!!! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 8:43 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] CAT LOVERS: OMG!!! comments deadline 2/16! Stop the annual slaughter of bobcats in NY for the foreign fur market.. I don't live there and it pisses me off!! People can be SO cruel and miserably stupid!! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Feb 13, 2012, at 7:14 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Stop the annual slaughter of bobcats in NY for the foreign fur market As a NY taxpayer I am outraged and appalled to learn of the DEC plan to increase the numbers and areas where bobcats can be hunted and killed. The bobcat is an important member of our natural community and should not be killed for sport or for their fur. The hunting and cruel slaughter of this magnificent animal is objectionable to most animal lovers and NY residents and endangers many other animals including household pets who get caught in the cruel traps set by hunters. This is the 21st century and there can be no justification for this barbaric and inhumane treatment of our wildlife. Zelda Penzel, President People for the End of Animal Cruelty and Exploitation NY, NY ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
Agreed! - Original Message - From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties Do NOT vaccinate cats that are not well - it only depresses immune systems, especially when you need to protect them the most! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties That is a tough one. Because of her respiritory problem, you might not want to stress her immune sstem with the vacinnation. On the othr hand, she should be vacinnated before intro to felv pos cts. You say the felv pos is feisty, both of mine are healthy, sleek girls. Annie is 8 (4 years after diagnses) and Nitnoy is 2 or 3 (we are not sure, think sh was one when she came to my house). Cold you isolate her in 1 room or in a fairly large cage until she can be treated for respiritory an she gains a bit of strength? Then she could stand up to the felv shot. Start he on immune boosters to build her up. I am nt as up on this subject, need to hear from others. Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: Retest the Felv+s, as the combo tests can be false positives. On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:34 PM, czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com wrote: Purrs Rubs from us to you and your beloveds on Valentine's Day. you've got us!! want to hear your thoughts please. adult spayed FIV + cat is back in my household. chronic upper respiratory. FeLeukemia negative. recommend to vaccinate her for feline leukemia? only vaccine she has ever received is rabies. why I would ever think such a thing follows: recommendations on mixing her with household cats, three of which tested positive for feline leukemia on combo test. FIV + cat is feisty. household female cat who lays down the law is FeLeukemia negative. the FIV+ cat has never shared space with the household five. she is FIV+ presently sequestered. thank you. cz Thank you. cz Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:38:24 -0500 From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But it's a lot better than 0% protection. - Original Message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is passed in the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives negatives, too. Have for years with no passing of the virus. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: john pollack bucfa...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of my others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and food! They even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the negatives are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!! From: Ana Gutierrez ana...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties Dear all, It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed away, last year I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her. I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in Cuernavaca, México, where I live. Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México City. We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be completely sure that they are FeLV positive. However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting again... We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share their lives with other FeLV positive cats? We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we
Re: [Felvtalk] ELISA IFA Tests:
That's what I found when I googled it, Lorrie :) This was in response to Kathryns thread. She said she meant a PCR test. I've never heard of this either. - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ELISA IFA Tests: On 02-06, Lynda Wilson wrote: I've never heard of a PSA. Is this new? L I thought PSA was a prostate check for men. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger
Amen, Terri! That's the best advice to give. And yes, we have all experienced this horrible disease. Same happened to my kitten I adopted through my local humane society. He never showed signs of being sick (except for some very loose stools sometimes) and tested negative (but I think they tested him too early). Anyway, one day he was fine, and the second day I was putting him to rest. He was in very bad shape and I could see it in his eyes. He was only 9 mos old. Next month will be a year since he was laid to rest. He was an orange flame kitten, long - haired and beautiful!!! Again, only you can decide if it's Ginger's time, but please do not let him suffer. My heart aches for both of you! Lynda - Original Message - From: Terri Brown To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 6:02 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger First -- I'm sorry you had to find us, but I'm glad you're here. Please try to remain as calm as possible and don't panic. Ginger will pick up on that -- he might get stressed out if you're freaking out and that won't help him. (hugs) Only you can decide if it's time to let him go. No one can make that decision for you -- you and Ginger kitty have to decide that. If he's ready to go, you will know. Try something smelly -- anchovy paste maybe.the juice from a can of tuna..see if he will take that. If he continues to refuse food, he could get worse. More than 72 hours without food and the damage could be irreversible. My very first experience with FeLV: my cat was diagnosed on 10/25/1999 and I had to put her to sleep the very next day. That's how I came to find this list. She was so sick with the anemia that to keep her alive would have been cruel. But some cats pull out of it -- some don't. Depends on the cat. My one FeLV+ cat lived to be 9-1/2 years old. So some of them have a good life. I don't give up on them until the kitty tells me that they are tired and are ready to go. If you think Ginger wants to fight, then give him the chance. We have ALL been where you are. This is an ugly disease. Hoping with you that Ginger pulls out of this =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: botha.marin...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 6:39 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger My vet ordered Interferon and Cyproheptadine. The vet suspects leukemia is already in kitty's bone marrow. Ginger kitty refuses to eat his food but tried to eat his cat litter last night. What should I do? Euthanasia? I can't see my darling suffer like this! Marinda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] ELISA IFA Tests:
First of all there are two commonly used types of FeLV tests. One is the in-office ELISA and the other is the laboratory run IFA test. Both types test for the FeLV protein p27. However, they detect the protein in different forms and detect infection at different stages. 1.) If a cat or kitten is ELISA positive, but healthy, an IFA test should be performed. Here is where the confusion begins. If the cat is IFA negative but ELISA positive there are two possibilities. One is a false positive ELISA test and the other is a stage of the disease is present at which the IFA test doesn't detect infection. Therefore the suspect cat or kitten should be isolated and retested in at least 6 weeks. If, at that time the cat is IFA positive, you know that the cat if infected. The IFA is 99% accurate. An IFA positive cat can be shedding virus and infect other cats and kittens. Remember to retest 6 weeks after an ELISA positive result, the cat's immune system can clear the virus especially in an adult cat (kittens and seniors have the most difficulty clearing the virus). This is what I have always been told by veterinarians and everyone on this FeLV thread. I have not heard any different. This info is true! Lynda ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Despair
Get your kitty to the vet now! Keep us postedsending prayers your way!! - Original Message - From: botha.marin...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:38 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Despair I think my kitty is dying! He refused all food today. We tried to feed him with a syringe but he is battling! Is it better to let my angel go to heaven? I can't see him suffer like this! I love him too much! He is just lying in the corner of the bedroom, hiding from us. This is a terrible disease! Marinda ! Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ELISA IFA Tests:
I've never heard of a PSA. Is this new? L - Original Message - From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ELISA IFA Tests: From what I know, there are four: In-house ELISA Lab ELISA Lab IFA PSA Is this correct? On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: First of all there are two commonly used types of FeLV tests. One is the in-office ELISA and the other is the laboratory run IFA test. Both types test for the FeLV protein p27. However, they detect the protein in different forms and detect infection at different stages. 1.) If a cat or kitten is ELISA positive, but healthy, an IFA test should be performed. Here is where the confusion begins. If the cat is IFA negative but ELISA positive there are two possibilities. One is a false positive ELISA test and the other is a stage of the disease is present at which the IFA test doesn't detect infection. Therefore the suspect cat or kitten should be isolated and retested in at least 6 weeks. If, at that time the cat is IFA positive, you know that the cat if infected. The IFA is 99% accurate. An IFA positive cat can be shedding virus and infect other cats and kittens. Remember to retest 6 weeks after an ELISA positive result, the cat's immune system can clear the virus especially in an adult cat (kittens and seniors have the most difficulty clearing the virus). This is what I have always been told by veterinarians and everyone on this FeLV thread. I have not heard any different. This info is true! Lynda ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Despair
Any update? - Original Message - From: botha.marin...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:38 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Despair I think my kitty is dying! He refused all food today. We tried to feed him with a syringe but he is battling! Is it better to let my angel go to heaven? I can't see him suffer like this! I love him too much! He is just lying in the corner of the bedroom, hiding from us. This is a terrible disease! Marinda ! Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kiss The Cat Prescriptions
I just read all of your threads. I wish you and Kiss's the best of luck too! I sure hope he feels better soon! Thanks for the update! Lynda - Original Message - From: Amanda Vollaro To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiss The Cat Prescriptions So the vet prescribed Azithromycin, Clavamox, and Inteferon to start, with a Sub-Q Ringers Lactate with B-Vitamins added.Yesterday he ate despite having all those drugs, but he had a bad night last night (fainted and scared himself) and today he's being cranky. I was able to get his meds down him today, and feeding him in small meals whenever he will take them. I'm guessing getting through the first three days will be the toughest. Per the vet we'll see if he's responding well by then. So far it's been touch-and-go. Wish us luck! Amanda Vollaro avoll...@optonline.net - Original Message - ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
received A-okay :) - Original Message - From: James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:49 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Testing the list Hey everyone, I am just testing the list again. Our webhost moved our account to a new server earlier in the week. And, I haven't seen any traffic on here since then. I hope this goes through ok. And, I hope everyone is enjoying their weekend. Best wishes. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (Weather for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Firefly Please add to the CLS :(
Sherry, I'm so truly sorry for your loss of Firefly. What a wonderful name she was given and such a loving and caring person you were to herlots of hugs ~ L - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:26 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Firefly Please add to the CLS :( Through tears I am writing this,Sids has lost another wonderful girl todayFirefly got her name by chasing fireflies jumping and trying to catch them before her rescuer got her off the street. She was the cutest little tabby girl with the sweetest face and purrsonality. I loved her from the second I met her as I am sure many of us volunteers were smitten with this little ladyshe left us too soon but she will ALWAYS have a place in my heartwow this hurts.. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Grace Please add to the CLS :( Missy please add to the CLS :(
I'm sad for you. But I'm glad they had you and Dr. Jen, and I bet they were too :0) Hugs to all~ Lynda - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:06 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Grace Please add to the CLS :( Missy please add to the CLS :( This week has been a sad day the last 2 days for us Sids volunteers and Dr. Jen. First of all beautiful dilute tortie Gracewhat can I say about our wonderful girl? She was one of Dr. Jens favorite Sids kids...a couple years back Grace had a bout with VERY high fevers and we almost lost her then...but she did not give up and with Jens help we were able to love her for 3 years. One of the most gentle soft and kind cats to honor us with her love and to let us love herlove you amazing Grace Then poor little old Missy,we didn't have long to love her,but she was tiny little orange girl with a BIG purrsonalitywhat a sad week it has been already... :( Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone in or near California want a very sociable companion for their FeLV+ cat?
That is highly possible! If it is positive again, please do an IFA test to confirm. If it is positive, then it's in the bone marrow :( But in the meantime, let's think positive :))) L - Original Message - From: Shanda Robertson sha...@well.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 4:28 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone in or near California want a very sociable companion for their FeLV+ cat? Yes, that was a helpful article - thanks. Well, I found that my stray only had an ELISA test. I didn't take her to the cat rescue. I am going to have her re-tested in a few weeks - maybe it was a false positive!? On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: Great link, Sharyl. It was very informative. Thanks for putting it out there(: Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 15, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Shanda, You might want to read this link http://www.reference.com/browse/lymphoid+system Explains FeLV in plain english and answers many of your questions Sharyl From: Shanda Robertson sha...@well.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone in or near California want a very sociable companion for their FeLV+ cat? Thank you everyone for your replies. I had this set on digest so I didn't see them. I am just learning about FeLV, and I have heard everything from a cat can catch it from walking across a surface a positive cat touched days ago, to it being very difficult to transmit even with direct contact. My first concern is to protect my existing cat. 2 different vets advised me against vaccinating him for FeLV because of sarcoma risk (he is an indoor cat). I'm considering it anyway but haven't made a decision. One vet told me that the PureVax non-adjuvanted vaccine was no better in preventing sarcoma. I'm considering getting my cat vaccinated anyway but haven't made a decision. Keeping them separated inside my small home is not possible. Ideally I'd like to find somewhere for this stray kitty with an enclosed outdoor area because she's apparently used to being an indoor/outdoor cat. I think she'd do ok indoors as long as she had other cats for company. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone in or near California want a very sociablecompanion for their FeLV+ cat?
Sharyl is correct. Just make sure you completely separate them until the vaccination has taken effect. After she gets the first, she will have to have the second one no more than 3 weeks later. Lynda - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:27 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone in or near California want a very sociablecompanion for their FeLV+ cat? You know you can get your cat vaccinated and keep her yourself don't you. I mixed all my FeLV + kittens with my adult vaccinated cats. Sharyl From: Shanda Robertson sha...@well.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:09 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone in or near California want a very sociable companion for their FeLV+ cat? Hi, I am new to this list. I've just found out that a stray cat I've been looking after is FeLV+. She is an adorable, petite young female (1-2 years old) that I've named Munchkin who is spayed, and otherwise healthy. The most special thing about her is that she LOVES other cats. She chases after them and tries to play with them, and jumps up onto window ledges wherever she sees a cat sitting in a window. When I let her into my home, she ran straight to my sleeping cat and snuggled in next to him. I don't think she would be immediately friendly to other people since it took her awhile to trust me, but she now purrs and sleeps in my lap. She would make a wonderful companion for another FeLV+ cat. I cannot keep her because my cat is FeLV-negative and unvaccinated. I am lucky to have found a cat rescue to take her in on Monday, but she will be confined separate from other cats, and this makes me sad for her. Is there anyone who wants her? I'm in the Bay Area, California, and could drive her to you. Either before or after Monday (I'm sure I could get her back from her new lodgings, but would rather not put her through more than one move). Photo: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/X7B3nd6Gu9s200H2ZhwuVgm3R7luXUf2QgPNd57qIVM?feat=directlink She is very cute! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] i hate this disease!
Kat (by the way, such a great name for you !!). I know it's so heartbreaking and you did your best. These babies need to be cared for and feel loved. That's what you did. Don't beat yourself up. L - Original Message - From: Kat Parker To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:03 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] i hate this disease! I never set out wanting to fall in love with an FeLV+ cat. I have been a cat rescuer for about 7 years, now.I've worked indie and with several 501c3's in San Diego. i especially like bottle babies and socializing feral kits, and did this a lot for one group here, until I got a litter of four wild ones, 5 weeks old, where 3/4 tested pos for FeLV. On 2nd snap 2/3 of those had cleared it and only my Awesome Opossum remained pos.The no-kill group I was fostering for wanted to waive the adoption fee and put her on Craigslist. I adopted her, myself, to save her, and now could not imagine life without her. She's 20 months old now, asymptomatic and seemingly healthy as can be. I know when it happens, though, it often happens fast. I was brought two kits by a rescue I volunteered for, in March, a one day old, Angelina Jolie, and a one week old, Mimi. I made a tough decision to try adding them both to a lactating mama who had herself lost 2/3 of her babies. She welcomed both... what an odd family-with her own 3 week old kit, Kiwi. Mimi died of FeLV at 8 weeks old.Mama and Kiwi, her kit, both tested neg., Angelina Jolie was too young at the time to test. She looked and acted so healthy and vibrant until her final few days. I lost her a week ago tonight to FeLV. I held my perfect miracle in my arms and tried to comfort her and let her know it was okay to let go...of her life. ( I am bawling my eyes out right now, again.) Tested my other 2 kits around same age (unrelated)--one pos, one neg. OMG. I am again worried for Mama, Kiwi, and my other 3 (adults) here. This perfect world, such perfect angels, devastated. All 3 teenagers not incl. Kiwi, had adoptions waiting, ironically. I count my blessings my awesome Opossum is not sick. I hate this disease! ~Kat~ I'm Kat Parker. I park cats. Keep your kitties INSIDE, 24/7, 'cause an inside cat is a SAFE HAPPY cat! -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Myles Please add to the CLS :(
We are truly blessed to have you as part of this group. So sorry to hear of Ollie and Leo's passing. All of them are so lucky to have your love and devotion. Blessings to you and your family! Lynda - Original Message - From: Victory_Shout To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Myles Please add to the CLS :( I am new to this group, but I did want to send you my condolences. Rest in peace precious Myles. I am Tina. I live in Pa. We had gotten a litter of four female kittens from a family whos add we responded to in the newspaper six months ago. Their kittens needed a home and my mom who is very ill and lives with us needed company. So, knowing that we didn't have the heart to seperate those kittems. We took them all. We homeschool our four kiddos so these fur babies quickly became all of our babies and God bonded our hearts to theirs. We had no idea that they were suffering from feline leukemia when we got them because they looked so healthy. Needless to say... six months later... We laid Ollie to rest four days before Christmas and we just laid Leo to rest two days after New Years. Ollie and Leo were golden in color and we called them the golden girls they were always together and their siblings (who are still with us) are also always together. After Ollies death Leo just was not the same. She became very depressed and just couldn't seem to get over the fact that her sister was gone. We laid Ollie to rest and we put in certain items that she loved and parts of things from us. It is very cold here that when Leo passed just days later my husband offered to dig up Ollie lay Leo and her things that we had for her in the box with Ollie... so that the golden girls would always be together. That is what we did... We are Christians... we know that in the big picture it really wouldn't have mattered if their bodies were laid to rest in the same box or not, but to us it meant the world to know that the golden girls were together forever even in death. We had a beautiful service for them in our back yard. First, Ollie then days later Leo with Ollie. We have your site to thank for the information on feline leukemia and the foods and vitamins that help to sustain life. We will forever be thankful for what these precious kittens have taught us about this horrible sickness. What a true blessing they have been. They taught us strength, love, and commitment. They taught us that love is an action word. Our hearts will forever be bonded with these babies. Whoopie and Jewels our other two calico fur babies (from that sibling group) are still going strong. We remain ever thankful for their continued health. I just had to stop in and say... I am sorry to hear of your loss... and thank you for the information you share... it truly does touch lives... Tina - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 5:17 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Myles Please add to the CLS :( Well we made it a whole 7 days into the new year before losing one of our wonderful Sids kids. Myles was a big gentle sweet lovin black and white boy.He has such a cute white chin.He will be missed at the sanctuary by us allI love you Myles Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Myles Please add to the CLS :(
Rest in peace, Myles. So sorry, Sherry, that you lost another so soon after the new year. I bet he had a good life being around you! Lynda - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 4:17 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Myles Please add to the CLS :( Well we made it a whole 7 days into the new year before losing one of our wonderful Sids kids. Myles was a big gentle sweet lovin black and white boy.He has such a cute white chin.He will be missed at the sanctuary by us allI love you Myles Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine
Mountain Lion? Holy smoke, 1 utility pole to the next is still too close for me!! You definitely must live in the mountainssounds beautiful though!! - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine And moma fox has a den just 30 feet from my deck plus raccoons come up to eat left over seed birds leave. Also possums and everything else around hre. Only one that doesnot come real close to the house is my mountain lion, he stays the distance from 1 utility pole to the next one. Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I just did some reading on rabies and it appears that mice and other rodents don't carry Rabies. Raccoons foxes and bats look to be the heaviest carriers. The East coast, for some reason is the largest region of raccoons carrying rabies! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:48 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: My vet reccommends evey year, but my guys go outside andbecause I live in th woods, are exposed to raccoon, possum, mice, fox and othes that can pass rabbies on. I am in a quandry, sort of dmned if I do and i I don't. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I'm sure the vets make more money by first giving a 1 year vac. and then giving the 3 year vac a year later. On 01-04, Maureen Olvey wrote: I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't, studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide immunity for at least 4 years. Interesting huh? I need to check out that group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last longer than the 4 years even. I know they were doing more research studies. Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten? Most vets I've been to recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year they get the 3 year one. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine
Amen to that! - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine There are times that I think they are more civilized than humans are. At lease, they are more honest! If you step on a cat's tail, you know it will bite or at least scratch you. Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: That infuriates me. Such a waste of life! Sometimes I think the wildlife should be armed! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 5, 2012, at 11:31 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Sorry, in my haste to write, I made a mistake: I meant VIRGINIA! They hunters did that in the late 80s, so the big rabies outbreak in the East happened in the early 90s, almost all the raccoons were killed, whether sick or not. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 12:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine Damn hunters!! That makes me sick. And sooo lame. Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 5, 2012, at 9:05 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: The Mid-Atlantic strain of rabies was brought to the East by hunters, after destroying local raccoons, wanted more raccoons to kill, so they brought them from Virginal and surrounding states. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:43 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rabies vaccine I just did some reading on rabies and it appears that mice and other rodents don't carry Rabies. Raccoons foxes and bats look to be the heaviest carriers. The East coast, for some reason is the largest region of raccoons carrying rabies! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2012, at 6:48 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: My vet reccommends evey year, but my guys go outside andbecause I live in th woods, are exposed to raccoon, possum, mice, fox and othes that can pass rabbies on. I am in a quandry, sort of dmned if I do and i I don't. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I'm sure the vets make more money by first giving a 1 year vac. and then giving the 3 year vac a year later. On 01-04, Maureen Olvey wrote: I think I might have mentioned it to you guys before but in case I didn't, studies have shown that the normal 1 year rabies vaccinations will provide immunity for at least 4 years. Interesting huh? I need to check out that group again to see if they've found anything else out or if it actually last longer than the 4 years even. I know they were doing more research studies. Will most vets give the 3 year one to a kitten? Most vets I've been to recommend that the kittens get the 1 year vaccination and then the next year they get the 3 year one. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia .org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemi a.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia .org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia .org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brutus Beefcake Please add to the CLS
Aw! So sorry to hear about Brutus! They are all so lucky to have you and Marcia taking such great care of them. I will hope for a healthier year for everyone's furry babies in 2012, a wish that I hope comes true!! Many Blessings to you Sherry~ L - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 9:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Brutus Beefcake Please add to the CLS I didn't get the chance to send this earlier,but sweet Brutus crossed the Bridge last Friday Dec 23,he was lucky to of had a home with our wonderful volunteer Marcia who lost several of the Sids kids that she took home this past year. Many of us had multiple losses in 2011,lets hope for a healthier year for our precious fur kids. Many blessings to all of my friends and support here on the felv group.You are all a blessing to me too :) Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
I agree, but admit, it had me thinking twice. It's heartbreaking that he was fine one day and on death's door the next :( I miss him so! Bless all the sick furry babies... L - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I really doubt it was neutering that caused his death. Anemia is one of the complications of FelV. On 01-02, Lynda Wilson wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result inDisease
True, but they did not collect the $400 they wanted to treat a barbed-wire, non-life threatening injury anyway! Here is the article: http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/north_phoenix/public-outraged-by-phoenix-mans-euthanized-cat - Original Message - From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result inDisease Unfortunately, many vets aren't doing it for the love of animals, but the almighty dollar! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:35 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result inDisease No, but that is so wrong! I'm outraged about itI will check it out further... L - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result inDisease RELATED TOPIC: dID ANYONE READ THE FACEBOOK STORY ABOUT A KITTEN THAT WAS EUTHANIZED BECAUSE HIS OWNER COULD NOT PAY FOR SURGERY EVEN THO TE MAN SAID E COULD GET THE MONEY WITHIN 24 HOURS? wASTHEaRIZONA hUMANS sOCIETY. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Maybe, as a group, we could make an effort of some kind of a basic flyer about FeLV, for stupid veterinarians and rescue groups who at some point, have to deal with such decisions on ending a cat's life because of FIV/FeLV. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result inDisease I preach to everyone who will listen that they should not end a cat's life just because of 1 test. My 2 positives are now 7 and 3 years, healthy as all my other cats and no one who is negaive has contracted the disease. Next command is spay and neuter. Another woman and I are starting a housing and feeding statioin for the ferals in Silex. The town is moving up on the hill because of flooding and they will not let anyoe bring/encourage ferals in the new town. So to save them from extinction, we are getting a safe place for them in the old town. Recently learned that a neighboring town deals with stray dogs and cats b sticking their noses in a cars exhaust pipe. Starting apetition against that. Thy don't even try to take them to arescue organization, ust catch tem and kill them. Even if the belong to someone and were outside. We are trying to find someone i tat town to start an Alley Cat program for dos and cats. At least they won't reproduce and gie people another reason to kill them. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Glad to hear that about Amber. I haven't been able to follow along with all the posts these last few months but I had wondered what had happened with Amber. She's the one your husband built that nice big totally awesome enclosure for - right? That's so awesome that she turned out to be negative. Especially since she started out so malnourished. I hope you told the vet that so he would know not to suggest killing the next cat that test positive on the initial combo test. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 08:05:05 -0800 From: jannestay...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result inDisease So many cats are put down unecessarily after testing positive on the first test. I went through this with my sweet Calico, Amber. After rescuing her, she tested positive in the vets office and they thought I should end her life. I decided against that had her retested 3 months later. She tested negative and also had a negative IFA test. I've had her 9 months now and she is an 8lb kitty who bullies the three other cats who are twice her size. She likes to have boxing matches with them. They never hurt each other. She just wants to show she is not afraid. LOL. She is so full of energy and very affectionate when she wants to be. I am so glad I waited and did not end the life of this precious animal. Jannes From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result inDisease This is what I have read about FeLV as well. L
Re: [Felvtalk] Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result inDisease
No, but that is so wrong! I'm outraged about itI will check it out further... L - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result inDisease RELATED TOPIC: dID ANYONE READ THE FACEBOOK STORY ABOUT A KITTEN THAT WAS EUTHANIZED BECAUSE HIS OWNER COULD NOT PAY FOR SURGERY EVEN THO TE MAN SAID E COULD GET THE MONEY WITHIN 24 HOURS? wASTHEaRIZONA hUMANS sOCIETY. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Maybe, as a group, we could make an effort of some kind of a basic flyer about FeLV, for stupid veterinarians and rescue groups who at some point, have to deal with such decisions on ending a cat's life because of FIV/FeLV. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result inDisease I preach to everyone who will listen that they should not end a cat's life just because of 1 test. My 2 positives are now 7 and 3 years, healthy as all my other cats and no one who is negaive has contracted the disease. Next command is spay and neuter. Another woman and I are starting a housing and feeding statioin for the ferals in Silex. The town is moving up on the hill because of flooding and they will not let anyoe bring/encourage ferals in the new town. So to save them from extinction, we are getting a safe place for them in the old town. Recently learned that a neighboring town deals with stray dogs and cats b sticking their noses in a cars exhaust pipe. Starting apetition against that. Thy don't even try to take them to arescue organization, ust catch tem and kill them. Even if the belong to someone and were outside. We are trying to find someone i tat town to start an Alley Cat program for dos and cats. At least they won't reproduce and gie people another reason to kill them. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Glad to hear that about Amber. I haven't been able to follow along with all the posts these last few months but I had wondered what had happened with Amber. She's the one your husband built that nice big totally awesome enclosure for - right? That's so awesome that she turned out to be negative. Especially since she started out so malnourished. I hope you told the vet that so he would know not to suggest killing the next cat that test positive on the initial combo test. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 08:05:05 -0800 From: jannestay...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result inDisease So many cats are put down unecessarily after testing positive on the first test. I went through this with my sweet Calico, Amber. After rescuing her, she tested positive in the vets office and they thought I should end her life. I decided against that had her retested 3 months later. She tested negative and also had a negative IFA test. I've had her 9 months now and she is an 8lb kitty who bullies the three other cats who are twice her size. She likes to have boxing matches with them. They never hurt each other. She just wants to show she is not afraid. LOL. She is so full of energy and very affectionate when she wants to be. I am so glad I waited and did not end the life of this precious animal. Jannes From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result inDisease This is what I have read about FeLV as well. L - Original Message - From: GRAS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 5:03 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result inDisease Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result in Disease by JaneA Kelley, Cat expert and animal communicator When a cat is exposed to the feline leukemia virus (FeLV), the cat might have a transient infection and fight it off, developing immunity -- some vets say that up to 70 percent of adult cats survive exposure this way. If the cat doesn't overcome the initial infection, the virus will move to the bone marrow and the cat will be persistently infected. And finally, the cat may continue to harbor the virus, thereby becoming a carrier. Many latently infected cats actually become free of the virus after a few
Re: [Felvtalk] Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result inDisease
This is what I have read about FeLV as well. L - Original Message - From: GRAS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 5:03 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result inDisease Exposure to Feline Leukemia Does Not Always Result in Disease by JaneA Kelley, Cat expert and animal communicator When a cat is exposed to the feline leukemia virus (FeLV), the cat might have a transient infection and fight it off, developing immunity -- some vets say that up to 70 percent of adult cats survive exposure this way. If the cat doesn't overcome the initial infection, the virus will move to the bone marrow and the cat will be persistently infected. And finally, the cat may continue to harbor the virus, thereby becoming a carrier. Many latently infected cats actually become free of the virus after a few years, but others become persistently infected. Cats that test positive should be retested 12 weeks later to confirm the diagnosis. Add a comment | -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!
Maureen, My vet says the same thing. You explained it very well for a disease that is so darn confusing. Kudos to you for explaining it without it being difficult to understand. I bet this helps all the people that are new to this forum. Thanks! L - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results! Here's how my vet friend explained things to me which will clarify a little about what Beth is saying about the IFA test. The IFA test looks to see if the virus is in the white blood cells. It's not a bone marrow test however, white blood cells are produced in the bone marrow, so if the virus is in the white blood cells then it's because it's replicating in the bone marrow. If it's not replicating in the bone marrow the FeLV virus could still be in the bone marrow but dormant. You wouldn't know that without a bone marrow test because it's just sitting there not doing anything and not spreading or causing problems. So here's what the vet has told me about the all ways of testing: The first screening test is the ELISA test. The ELISA test can be performed two ways. It can be done using a snap test kit in the vet's office or the blood sample can be sent to a lab where they do a Well test. The well test is also an ELISA test that looks for small fragments of the virus in the bloodstream but just done a different way and uses a much larger blood sample. The ELISA test that is done with a snap test kit in the vet's office is also called a combo test because it looks for FIV also. Then there is the 3 way snap test kit which looks for FIV, FeLV and heartworms. I think the ELISA test that is done in a well by sending the blood to a lab just looks for FeLV, not the other two. I'm not positive though. So, the ELISA test looks to see if there are small fragments of the virus in the blood stream. Part of the virus could be in the bloodstream but not in the white blood cells. It gets into the oral cavities and bloodstream before it goes into the bone marrow. When it gets into the bone marrow it could start replicating and then it gets into the white blood cells. The IFA test looks to see if the virus is in the white blood cells. So from my understanding, the virus has to progress from the bloodstream into the bone marrow and replicate like Beth is saying to get into the white blood cells. Usually once it's starts replicating in the bone marrow and getting into the white blood cells the cat will not be able to fight off the virus. FYI - my vet has also said that the 3 way snap test kits don't seem to be as reliable as the combo snap test kit. So that's a very simple and basic way of explaining the different ways of testing and what they look at to determine what stage the virus is in as it spreads throughout the body. That's my understanding and I hope it's correct. -- Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 08:12:39 -0800 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results! The IFA tests weather the virus is replicating in the bone marrow. You can have a positive SNAP a negative IFA. This does NOT mean the cat is negative. It just means the virus is not replicating in the bone marrow. Any test can be done wrong labs can mix up donors with specimins. It happens with humans, it can certainly happen in our pets. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org -- From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results! The IFA is not testing the bone marrow, thoughthat would be yet another test. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results! It is possible the SNAP tests were positive an IFA was negative because the virus had not progressed to the bone marrow. I also wonder if the SNAP tests that were positive were done on the new 3way tests. Our shelter stopped using them because they were not dependable. Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com wrote: *Very scary.. see below..* --Original Message-- From: Ellen Fawl To: rescuealliancew...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Scary FELV test results! Sent: Nov 22, 2011 11:16 PM I need to share this so it can get to the FELV Lists and whomever is following this testing debacle. We took in 5 Persians last week. We had them combo tested with the standard Snap test.
Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Booster
Hi Melody! Welcome to the forum. I'm no expert but I do know that if you don't get the second shot, then your cat is not fully protected, if at all. You will have to start over (as if your kitty never received the first shot) when you are able to get her back to the vet. I sympathize with you regarding financial circumstances. It's a tough economy :( The best way to protect her until you are able to get her both shots is to keep her indoors. Best wishes, Lynda - Original Message - From: Melody Estevez To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 3:37 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Felv Booster Hello Everyone.I'm new here and this question is about the Felv vaccine. My cat was tested for feline leukemia and tested negative. On October 16, 2011 she received her Felv#1 vaccine and was due for her booster (Felv#2) three weeks later. Due to financial circumstances I was unable to take her back. I'm still struggling financially so I haven't made an appointment. My question is, how effective is the felv vaccine she did receive? Also, when I take her back will she have to be tested again? My cat is an indoor outdoor cat. Melody -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot and Verdot' Pleases add to the CLS :(
Sherry, You have the biggest heart! Bless you! Lynda - Original Message - From: Beth To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot and Verdot' Pleases add to the CLS :( They sound like beautiful souls :) Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org -- From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 10:48 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Eliot and Verdot' Pleases add to the CLS :( Last week we lost Sids kid Eliot,he has fought so much in the last year of his life...he was lucky to have a home of his own with a volunteer couple that takes home some of our Sids kids that need that extra attention.Love you Eliot. Verdot' we lost yesterday...she was a CRAZY,goofy but sweet little black girl.We had the joy and honor of having the chance to love her for over 4 years at Sids. I will miss you silly little black beauty. :( Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!
Kat, Ellen should have waited longer than two days to have them tested again. Waiting 90 days to retest is usually what is suggested to be more accurate. I hope they really are all negative :0) Lynda - Original Message - From: Kat Parker To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:14 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results! Very scary.. see below.. --Original Message-- From: Ellen Fawl To: rescuealliancew...@yahoogroups.com Subject: Scary FELV test results! Sent: Nov 22, 2011 11:16 PM I need to share this so it can get to the FELV Lists and whomever is following this testing debacle. We took in 5 Persians last week. We had them combo tested with the standard Snap test. All five tested positive. We had blood work done on one cat and it came back negative. We assumed the tests were done wrong so they redid them two days ago. All four remaining cats tested positive AGAIN. We had blood work taken on all four, sent it in, and all four came back negative. This is really scary stuff. Cats are killed all the time because they test positive. Had we heard about these cats being in a shelter testing positive it's not likely we could have taken them in. The vet office in Santa Cruz is going to follow up with the company, but if there is anyone else out there tracking this stuff, I want to get the information to them. Ellen Love and Katnip, ~Kat~ =^,,^= I'm Kat Parker. I park cats. Keep your kitties INSIDE, 24/7, 'cause an inside cat is a SAFE HAPPY cat! -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in a house on fire
Amen! - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in a house on fire I don't even want to think about something like that happening. It would be so hard to be alive and my babies dead. Just thinking about it gives me shivers. I would go back in until all were out. I have a plan, carriers for all 7 and I have an Astro van which will easily hold all of us. I would hate to loose my possessions, but they can bereplaced and my first concern is my babies. Hope this never happens to anyone else again. GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: My father even burned his corneas trying to save the cats (was OK in the long run). And as it turned out later, he was actually running on a wall-to-wall carpet with no floor under it anymoreBut he still kept trying. Another great idea is to use pillowcases in any emergency - that's always around! BTW - horses do the same when a barn is on fire; they run back. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 5:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in a house on fire What a terrible story! This is a lesson I learned from a friend of mine. Her house was on fire and she grabbed her cat and took him outside but he ran back inside and died in the fire. God forbid any of you ever have to rescue your cats from a burning house, but cats will always run back inside because this is the place they feel safe. Always put your cats in carriers or in your car outside your home. With 13 cats this would have been terribly difficult for your parents, but if there are only one or two cats this can be done. Lorrie On 12-02, GRAS wrote: In 1964, my parents' house in Chicago had a fire on a night of a huge snowstorm, 3'! The fire department had a hard time getting there because side street were not plowed, especially not at 3 AM. They had 13 cats, and I had just moved back with my two cats because I couldn't afford my apartment closer to school. All the cats died in the fire, although my father was running around, grabbing them and putting them on an enclosed porch, they all ran back as he opened the door.When the house was rebuilt, a cat was found in the basement ceiling/rafters, completely soft and pliable (not stiff!) - poor cats most probably died from smoke inhalation because they have such tiny lungs. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Many apologies
Marta, members talk about FIP as well, so we don't mind. I hope your baby gets better really soon and they are able to treat his health problems as well. Please keep me posted. Hugs~Lynda - Original Message - From: Marta Gasper To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:51 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Many apologies Oops sorry, former msg was intended for the FIP group! M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT-Transportation Available
So sorry to hear about Tigger! Hugs~ Lynda - Original Message - From: john pollack To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT-Transportation Available not sure what part of me is talking. just lost my felv boy Tigger yesterday -- From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT -Transportation Available Thanks for your inquiry about Storm. I'm not sure how he is with other cats, but I'll certainly find out. I'll get back to you as soon as I have an answer. Thanks again, Cindy - Original Message - From: john pollack To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT -Transportation Available is he good with other cats?? From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 2:34 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT - Transportation Available I was contacted by someone whose friend has been feeding a stray cat that's living in a seasonal mobile home park on Chincoteague Island. The park closes at the end of November and the person who has been feeding it is going to live with relatives, where the cat is not welcome. The woman who contacted me is desperate to find a place for the cat by the end of November and she's willing to cover all vetting costs herself. Transportation is also available most anywhere. The cat is called Storm because he showed up after Hurricane Irene. He's a long-haired black and white neutered male. If you know of anyone who can help, please contact me and I'll put you in touch with the woman who's trying so hard to save this poor baby. He's had a lot of tough breaks in his life. He deserves another chance. Thank you. Cindy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
Tell your vet about this forum and he will learn something. Maybe you should change to a vet that does not have a first thought of putting the cat down if it tests positive for FeLV. I'm glad you tried to educate him. Kudos to you Marci your hubby! Hugs kisses to Maddie and Charles :) - Original Message - From: Marci Greer To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14 Hi Everyone, We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the test comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he did test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he did I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then (the same as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we brought him home and he is doing very well (asymptomatic) and is rooming with our Maddie. I talked to the vet regarding FELv because I can't understand why the first option is always putting them to sleep, it makes me crazy thinking about how many cats are put to sleep and don't deserve to be, The vet said that FELv + cats will die a slow and painful death, I said ok well what about the ones that test false positive or the ones that test positive and are able to throw the virus off, he said he has never heard of that happen, I guess what I am getting at is there any way to reverse what these vets are taught in college. I know I'm grasping but I just hate this so much for these cats that can lead a healthy life and aren't even given the chance! Marci, Maddie, Charles -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats
I disagree that cats that are over 16 weeks are virtually immune to the disease from my personal experience. I also know that it is the vaccination for FIV that will always show a positive result on a test, but the FeLV vaccination does not. - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:27 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] testing cats As I continue to try to learn as much as possible about this illness and testing the kitten I found, I came across this post on the Best Friends site questioning the testing process. I was wondering if anyone had any comments on its contents?Thanks http://network.bestfriends.org/groups/smitten_by_kittens/pages/feline-leukemia-testing-why-are-you-wasting-your-money.aspx -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Autumn the cat
Susan, So sorry to hear of Autumn's passing!! I'm so glad though that you loved and cared for her like you did. It takes someone like you with a big heart that gave her a chance at life and a good life even though it was cut too short. My kitten passed at age 9mos. I was heart-broken as well. I wish there was a cure for this disease. Until then, we just have to continue to give them the best life possible, just as you did! By the way, I have an Autumn girl but she is a red dachshund. She turns 14 Christmas Eve. We love her dearly and I so love the name as you do. Many blessings hugs to you~ Lynda - Original Message - From: Susan Ang To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 6:33 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Autumn the cat My cat Autumn died last night due to complications arising from Feline Leukemia. She was four years old. In her short life she was a joy to us, a beautiful, highly intelligent little cat. I can't believe she's gone. I had almost fooled myself into believing that I might get to keep her for a very long time, but the disease won. We are grief-stricken. I joined this list in 2007 after searching everywhere for information and support for FELV owners. I'm so glad it exists. I've drawn a lot of support and knowledge over the years - even when just lurking. I just wanted to add Autumn to the list. She was precious, loved to cuddle, watch Baby Einstein and steal pizza. My home will be so empty without her. I love you, baby girl. ~Susan Ang -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me
This kitty still has a good chance of clearing the virus. I would retest again in 30 to 90 days. If it is positive again, then do an IFA test. I would not worry at all that it has casual contact with your other cats. In order for your other cats to contract FeLV, they would have to groom each other, share litter boxes, drink after one another or bite each other. Even then most cats do not contract it. I would just get your other cats the FeLV vaccination, must be 2 shots, 3 weeks apart. As far as hook worms, there is a chance of your other cats contracting it. Those worms from what I understand goes through the toes of the cats so where that cat walked, it could infect any of your cats that walked in the same place. Keep the faith and keep us posted. I hope this helps. Also, you probably need to change vets, FeLV is not a death sentence. Many cats live healthy lives with it. It deserves a chance. Lynda - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 5:52 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that the abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to the vet, I have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that since it seemed so healthy I let it out for little walks. I have 4 cats over 12 years old. Other than walking on the same floors, they have not had contact with this kitten. In our short phone call, the vet basically said that she would understand if I euthanized the cat and that she wasn't sure about false positive and whether retesting would be worthwhile. The cat also has hookworms. When I took the cat in, she suggested that I give it its vaccinations before waiting for test results. I asked if the cat turned out postitive, wouldn't this harm its immune system. she said no. Now when she called she said she was surprised that the cat tested positive since, other than the sore gums, which she attirbuted to teething and bad breath, she said it seemed healthy. It does seem healthy , eats well and plays. and is the sweetest cat, loving and intelligent. I am heartbroken about this. I'm sorry I haven't had time to read all archives but I work from home and also take care of my bedridden elderly mother. Is there anyone out there would be kind enough to give me some advice? Thank you. PS the test done was elisa and it just says positive the vet estimates the cat is from 5-6 months old. -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Natalie
Did you hear about this: http://www.texassharon.com/2011/10/19/fracked-cattle-were-quarantined-now-give-birth-to-dead-calves/ - Original Message - From: Marta Gasper To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds know where I can buy RX vet meds overseas without an RX? Some shelters or Humane Societies do sell to rescuers/small shelters for a lesser price w/o a prescription..of course it helps if they know you and what you do (as in my case, I buy abx like clav, Biomox(amoxi) from a nearby Humane Society, also I get Trifectant(desinfectant for cages) from them) Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Wed, 10/19/11, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 8:48 PM Lorrie, I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for myself once when I had an infected tooth. Cindy - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Does anyone know where I can buy RX vet meds overseas without an RX? With 25 cats in my shelter and at home I need to keep some basic things at home such as Acarexx for earmites, Clavamox (antibiotic) etc. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] King Pl;ease add to the CLS :(
So sorry he did not live longer, but I bet he was the happiest he'd ever been. Kudos to the volunteer that gave him that second chance. True stories like this need to be heard so others can have a second chance as wellRIP Kinger, you brave lover boy! - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 8:10 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] King Pl;ease add to the CLS :( When this handsome gray guy first came to us,he sent one of our volunteers to the hospital after a surprise attackhe almost had to be euthanized for his aggresion,but another one of our volunteers took him home to acclimate him and he blossomed into a pretty sweet guy.So he had a second chance with us and he was a great cat who loved us very much as we did himhe lost his fight yesterday to this awful disease,he was with us at Sids for almost 3 years. RIP Kinger Dingers :( Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnet Please add to the CLS :*(
Sending my condolences to you. It's tough to lose our precious furry babies!! Hugs~ Lynda - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 11:19 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Bonnet Please add to the CLS :*( My heart is broken,found out today that Dr. Jen had to let our beautiful Bon Bon go yesterday. Bonnet was my favorite girl at Sids,she came in a shy girl and blossomed into a loving,playful and sweet beautiful tortie. I will miss this wonderful little lady,I am happy I got to spend some time with her on Monday while I was there. Never enough time. :( Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp
Go NAT - Original Message - From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp Please DO NOT WORRY - if she or husband are FIV+, the kittens will be just fine! Your vet knows NOTHING about FIV! It's a lot different than FeLV I can guarantee that they will be fine. DO NOT ABORT THIS LATE - each baby has to be taken out and killed! I don't have time to write now, but I can e-mail you personally later, if that's OK! I have had dozens of FIV mothers whose babies were ALL fine! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of quinn gardner Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:30 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp Hi i have just found out tht my cat is pregnant 8.5wks to a stray that tested positive for feline aids i was due to have her fixed but was a little to late as she is 8mths now. The vet wants me to take her in to get an abortion is this the only way??? Do i have no other options?Is this the best thing to do?? -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Have you heard of Cerebellar-Hypoplasia?
So glad to hear the good news that Raymond lived a happy life! I've never heard of this and wonder how rare this disease is. So glad there are people like us that would take care of them and not have them PTS. If there is ever a situation that I know someone has a cat with this disease, I will definitely help to educate them or take care of the cat myself. Thanks for sharing Marcia :0) - Original Message - From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Have you heard of Cerebellar-Hypoplasia? Hi guys I just watched this video about Cerebellar hypoplasia. I had a cat that was exactly like this. His name was Raymond and he lived for 15 years. My vet didnthave a name for this. Raymond had no idea that he was different. He was very special to us and we lovedhim very very much. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Yes, I have, and actually am aware of two right here in CT that were rescued recently! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 9:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Have you heard of Cerebellar-Hypoplasia? I came across this on my Facebook page. I've never heard of this disease, and did not know the effect it has on cats. It's amazing that they can still have a normal life expectancy. So happy these people take such great care of Charlie! Watch this video http://www.allproudamericans.com/A-Cat-With-Cerebellar-Hypoplasia.html ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Have you heard of Cerebellar-Hypoplasia?
I came across this on my Facebook page. I've never heard of this disease, and did not know the effect it has on cats. It's amazing that they can still have a normal life expectancy. So happy these people take such great care of Charlie! Watch this video http://www.allproudamericans.com/A-Cat-With-Cerebellar-Hypoplasia.html ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Horton Please add to the CLS :*(
Sherry, I'm so sorry to hear about Horton. But I'm glad he had your love and care and I bet he was too! Hugs~ Lynda - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 1:33 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Horton Please add to the CLS :*( Yesterday Dr. Jen had to let our sweet big gray guy Horton go. He became a Sids kid about 4 years ago and had escaped when somehow or someone ripped a screen out of a window. We searched the neighborhood day and night for several cats that got out,3 of them were never found and when last year it happened again we actually found Horton after 3 years of being missing !!! So we did have a chance to love him for a year. Now we take more caution on the downstairs windows...we lock and close them at night. Horton you will be missed. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Have you heard of Cerebellar-Hypoplasia?
Yay, Natalie! So glad to hear this because they stated in that video that they are usually put down :( Charlie got around just fine and you can tell he is happy. - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Have you heard of Cerebellar-Hypoplasia? Yes, I have, and actually am aware of two right here in CT that were rescued recently! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2011 9:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Have you heard of Cerebellar-Hypoplasia? I came across this on my Facebook page. I've never heard of this disease, and did not know the effect it has on cats. It's amazing that they can still have a normal life expectancy. So happy these people take such great care of Charlie! Watch this video http://www.allproudamericans.com/A-Cat-With-Cerebellar-Hypoplasia.html ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Your message to Felvtalk awaits moderator approval
Yes, that is right. The same has happened to me and the only way I found around it when it glitches out like that is dont hit replymake a new post. - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Your message to Felvtalk awaits moderator approval But it was ONLY 9KB - this group accepts up to 20 KB -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:36 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Your message to Felvtalk awaits moderator approval I got that message a lot, esp if I replied after several other ppl made comments. Try again by making a total separate email with no other message in it but your owngood luck!! It is frustrating sometimes. L - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:31 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Your message to Felvtalk awaits moderator approval This is very odd - I sent a message that was only 9KB, and I get this, saying it was too big!! Sorry, cannot remember what I sent. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:53 PM To: at...@optonline.net Subject: Your message to Felvtalk awaits moderator approval Your mail to 'Felvtalk' with the subject RE: [Felvtalk] lizardmarsh.net Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message body is too big: 23627 bytes with a limit of 20 KB Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/confirm/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/9b5b40 5e0ca0dc6f65bce14a15688e9b05df7ba0 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] : Your message to Felvtalk awaits moderator approval.
LOL, I have done the same and it works too. Thanks for the reminder. Hope all is well :0) - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] : Your message to Felvtalk awaits moderator approval. I hit reply but then I get rid of all the extra stuff at the bottom so it isn't send back time after time making the message too long. Lorrie On 09-28, Lynda Wilson wrote: Yes, that is right. The same has happened to me and the only way I found around it when it glitches out like that is dont hit replymake a new post. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Your message to Felvtalk awaits moderator approval
I got that message a lot, esp if I replied after several other ppl made comments. Try again by making a total separate email with no other message in it but your owngood luck!! It is frustrating sometimes. L - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 10:31 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Your message to Felvtalk awaits moderator approval This is very odd - I sent a message that was only 9KB, and I get this, saying it was too big!! Sorry, cannot remember what I sent. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 9:53 PM To: at...@optonline.net Subject: Your message to Felvtalk awaits moderator approval Your mail to 'Felvtalk' with the subject RE: [Felvtalk] lizardmarsh.net Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message body is too big: 23627 bytes with a limit of 20 KB Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/confirm/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/9b5b40 5e0ca0dc6f65bce14a15688e9b05df7ba0 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] testing the list again
Got it :0) - Original Message - From: James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 12:17 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] testing the list again Hello all, We seem to have had another glitch with the list. I hope that I have it fixed now. So, I am just sending out a test message to be sure. I hope everyone is doing well. Best wishes. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (Weather for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic: To those who want to STOP FRACKING!
I've met with Josh Fox and a good friend of mine is friends with him. We have fracking going on in my home town right now. We are very worried!! Thanks, Natalie for sharing!! - Original Message - From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 6:36 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic: To those who want to STOP FRACKING! Mark Ruffalo: Thank God for Fracking (and for Josh Fox) Laura Flanders, GRITtv: Actor/Director Mark Ruffalo, a resident of Sullivan Co, NY, talks to Laura Flanders of GRITtv about the impact of Irene on an area where big energy companies want to hydro-frack for gas. The threats to water soil are extreme, he says. Watch the Video - http://www.truth-out.org/mark-ruffalo-thank-god-fracking-and-josh-fox/1316360224 -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
I can't even bear the thought! It makes me sick!! I believe an eye for an eye in this case. Let's see how they like it!! - Original Message - From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters It's legal for some, like the hired guns, sharpshooters; they bait the area for weeks before, then come in at night, have bright lights, and all the deer just walk up to the slaughter. If they're not dead, they put a plastic bag over their heads to finish them off, while they drag them away, still kicking..Or the use a large net that drops on a bunch of deer in a baited area, they really struggle, while they shoot them (not easy to aim well at a thrashing animal!) There's such great sportsmanship involved, it's hard to respect or even like these guys! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:20 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters They call it baiting in Ky and it is illegal here...doesn't keep people from doing it though. On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:22 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: thats entrapment, and i think it's illegal as hell! On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful animals. - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters On 09-12, dot winkler wrote: Hysterical! L.O.L. I love it. The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least they are eating the deer. But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a creature to behold and so delicate. How can anyone have the heart to kill them? They are graceful and grace our woods and lands. To see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight. I don't see how anyone could do it. _ I could never kill a deer. Many deer come to our yard, and they are so beautiful. Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them. It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected. She still comes to our house, and still keeps up with her group. She's an amazing, brave little doe and we call her Tripod. Lorrie Tripod and she in our yard ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Geese Pigeons
probably a Cabernet Sauvignon :0) - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Geese Pigeons I have a great one showing two bears having a picnic and arguing which wine goes best with a humans... -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:43 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Geese Pigeons On 09-14, Bonnie Hogue wrote: This reminds me of a cartoon I cut out and put on my 'fridge. The planet Earth is sitting on a doctor's exam table. The doctor stands nearby looking at the chart and saying, The bad news is you have advanced case humans...The good news is they've about run their course and you should be on the mend soon. Ha! LOVE IT! I have a cartoon that shows a human strapped to am exam table with two dogs testing products on him. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 10 week old baby with slight positive
Hi Anna! Glad to have you aboard. I would make sure your older cat is vaccinated against FeLV before having them together. Even though the vaccine is 80% effective, it's better than no protection at all. The vaccine has to be given in two doses, 3 weeks apart (so don't expose your older cat to the kitten until after the 2nd shot). I know FeLV mostly effects kittens and senior cats. With that said, there is still a chance the kitten can fight off the virus. I would wait till he's at least 3 mos old and test him again. If he's positive on the ELISA test, then do an IFA as well. The IFA will indicate whether it is in the bone marrow. The IFA test has to be sent out to a lab. Once the IFA is positive, then generally the cat is positive for life. Please keep in mind that the ELISA test can have false positives so you still have hope. Either way though, please get your older kitty the vaccination. I hope this helps. I hate this disease and all the if's and but's that go with it! Lynda **NOTE** Never get a cat/kitten vaccinated against FIP, or it will be positive for FIP for life whether it has it or not! - Original Message - From: Anna Yeutter To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:26 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] 10 week old baby with slight positive My previous foster baby (and now adopted baby, after a couple weeks absence) who was found when he was two weeks old in a Costco parking lot and who I bottle fed and fostered from when he was three weeks old, went in for his first vet visit today. The first thing the vet did was do the FeLV/FIV snap combo test after drawing some blood (oh boy Jean-Luc screamed and even growled). He walked back in later and showed me the kit with the blue dot at the top and the slight positive result for FeLV. I made another appointment to bring him in in three weeks to check again, but walked away feeling very negative (the vet made me feel like he was doomed). As of this moment, Jean-Luc has been doing well, gaining weight, playing actively and eating normally. I was going to have my parents bring my 11 year old cat up to live with me as well on Saturday (I'm a college student and just recently moved off campus into a pet-friendly apartment), but of course that has been put on hold. This means Jean-Luc is a very spoiled only-kitten, getting lots of love. I've tried to do some reading but it is so overwhelming and I'm exhausted from reading all the conflicting opinions. I would love to hear from some other people. -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
Bonnie~ I think I can do that...he's still in Austin and still hunts...hm, when is deer season? - Original Message - From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters You shoulda hid behind a car, strewn a few dollar bills on the ground, then when he came over to pick them up -- BAM! -- baseball bat to the butt! Well...bet you 'wish' you coulda! ~Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful animals. - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters On 09-12, dot winkler wrote: Hysterical! L.O.L. I love it. The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least they are eating the deer. But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a creature to behold and so delicate. How can anyone have the heart to kill them? They are graceful and grace our woods and lands. To see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight. I don't see how anyone could do it. _ I could never kill a deer. Many deer come to our yard, and they are so beautiful. Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them. It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected. She still comes to our house, and still keeps up with her group. She's an amazing, brave little doe and we call her Tripod. Lorrie Tripod and she in our yard ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
Marcia, I totally agree!! - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters thats entrapment, and i think it's illegal as hell! On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful animals. - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters On 09-12, dot winkler wrote: Hysterical! L.O.L. I love it. The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least they are eating the deer. But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a creature to behold and so delicate. How can anyone have the heart to kill them? They are graceful and grace our woods and lands. To see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight. I don't see how anyone could do it. _ I could never kill a deer. Many deer come to our yard, and they are so beautiful. Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them. It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected. She still comes to our house, and still keeps up with her group. She's an amazing, brave little doe and we call her Tripod. Lorrie Tripod and she in our yard ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*(
So sorry for your loss of Avery. I bet you gave him such a great life. Lynda - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:42 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*( We lost our Sids kid Avery today...He was a beautiful fluffy gray guy with the most beautiful eyes. He will be missed by MANY volunteers. I love you Avery sweet boy. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
Oh my gosh!! I could not put up with all that as long as you did! Is Dove meat really that good? I would not think there would be much meat on them. Dove hunting is still popular here in Texas and I don't like it. My bird feeder stays full all the time and I have two doves that come in the late afternoon and feed on the seed that is on the ground around the bird feeder. They are beautiful birds. I only have one pigeon that lost it's mate about 3 yrs ago that comes around my feeder as well. I could never imagine shooting them. - Original Message - From: Georgetta Brickey To: FeLV List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Hunters Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season. We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our fences to retrieve the bloody bodies. One afternoon the shotgun pellets were raining down on our roof and through the branches of our oak trees and we were afraid to go outside so Mom called the county sheriff. When he arrived to talk to them about unsafe shooting... Mom noticed his hand was bandaged...an idiot dove hunter had actually shot the deputy in the hand!!! Go figure! When I drove my 25 miles to work, each morning I felt like a cardboard duck in a fair shooting gallery... groups of hunters parked on their backsides sitting on coolers of beer with umbrellas erected overhead would wait on both sides of the road for flocks to fly over. I managed to get to work unscathed for 5 years, but was never certain I would survive the Sept - Nov. annual killing season. Our hunting neighbor across the road went out with a few friends and came back with only one eye... not a single friend would admit he fired the blinding shot. Nice, huh? Georgetta -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful animals. - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters On 09-12, dot winkler wrote: Hysterical! L.O.L. I love it. The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least they are eating the deer. But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a creature to behold and so delicate. How can anyone have the heart to kill them? They are graceful and grace our woods and lands. To see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight. I don't see how anyone could do it. _ I could never kill a deer. Many deer come to our yard, and they are so beautiful. Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them. It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected. She still comes to our house, and still keeps up with her group. She's an amazing, brave little doe and we call her Tripod. Lorrie Tripod and she in our yard ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
Unfortunately, you are so right, Natalie :( - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters Actually, the deer aren't responsible for overpopulation; they are managed for maximum sustained yield, for only one reason: to supply better hunting opportunities and revenues from hunting license fees. If they were left alone, their numbers would be normal, and just enough to fill the biological carrying capacity of an area that can sustain their numbers. And, yet, you always hear: Isn't it kinder to kill them than to let them starve? Then why would they want such skinny deer? Because they really care only about that rack, and a few lbs of meat are irrelevant. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful animals. - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters On 09-12, dot winkler wrote: Hysterical! L.O.L. I love it. The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least they are eating the deer. But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a creature to behold and so delicate. How can anyone have the heart to kill them? They are graceful and grace our woods and lands. To see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight. I don't see how anyone could do it. _ I could never kill a deer. Many deer come to our yard, and they are so beautiful. Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them. It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected. She still comes to our house, and still keeps up with her group. She's an amazing, brave little doe and we call her Tripod. Lorrie Tripod and she in our yard ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
Lorrie, I like the way Maureen thinks! I can help Maureen take care of all of your cats, I love her idea even though she's kidding. It would be a great place to retire and between the two of us, we can take care of all the furry babies! Afterall, I will be 47 next month :0) L - Original Message - From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: Lorrie ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-) Lorrie - I'll pack my bags and be right up. Living on a lake taking care of cats sounds awesome. I'm 45 so hopefully will be around until all your cats die! Give me driving directions!!! I'm a CPA so can work to keep your cats in the lifestyle they're accustomed to living. Ok, just kidding. Wish I could take off sometimes. I've got a lot of cats too, but unless something tragic happens hopefully I'll outlive them. It's scary to think about the future though because you just don't know what will happen and when. I've missed a lot of this thread so I might have missed something but if you're 78, then you could still outlive your cats. My Grandmother is 92 and lives in a small apartment on her own. Best to make plans now of course but by the time you're gone who knows what the situation will be. Tell your kids that you're leaving your house and money to them so between the three of them they could make room for all the cats! Fifteen cats split three ways is no big deal. Cats are pretty easy. Tell them they could close in their garage or build an extra room with your money and then enclose an area of their yard for the cats to go in and that's all the cats would need. Tell them if they don't you're writing them out of your will! sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC - Reply message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Date: Thu, Sep 8, 2011 6:54 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org On 09-08, Gloria Lane wrote: I'm kindly pondering how to do that. Any web sites that address that I wonder? There are many cat sanctuaries listed on the web, but most are full. Then too, many fail and become like hoarding places because they take in too many cats to care for properly. It is truly difficult to find a good sanctuary, but I'll keep trying. If I knew who would take care of my 15 cats I'd give them my house which is a lovely home in a resort area on a lake. It has been built around the needs of my cats, and has three outside enclosures they can access from the inside via cat flaps. It is also in the woods on several acres with no traffic. It is a paradise for my cats, and I just wish someone could let them continue the happy life they know and love. I will not go to my grave and be at peace until I know my babies are taken care of. Lorrie On Sep 8, 2011, at 8:00 AM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I've provided for the care of my critters (dogs and cats and whatever may show up) in my will. Everything is in trust to be used for their care until they all leave this world. WHO WILL HANDLE YOUR TRUST AND BE SURE YOUR CATS ARE CARED FOR? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
