Re: help please
Lynne, I didn't read your message until now. I hope Snowy feels better this AM. It has been my experience that the older they are, the more misserable they feel. The pain meds should help. As long as she is eating and drinking, I would not worry too much. I am glad this ordeal is over for both of you. Snowy is very lucky to have you. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: help please To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 7:21 PM For those of you have had female cats, at what point should I be alarmed about their health. Snowy was spayed today. The vet said all went well. She seemed very pleased and ok on the way home. Since then she has become very somber, with her mouth slightly open and I swear I can hear a raspiness in her throat. She won't even let me touch her and has retreated to upstairs. She has had some drinks of water, a lot actually when we first got home. My vet is not available this evening and my only alternative is to take her to the emergency clinic which I hate with a pasion. The vet there is a complete jerk. The fact that he couldn't put BooBoo to sleep fast enough has a lot to do with it. I just don't know if this is normal behaviour for after this kind of surgery or something is very wrong. She looks angry or in pain. I can't give her any pain medication until tomorrow morning. They gave her an injection before we left today. I've put in a call to her foster mother hoping she can give me some advice but of course the way things go she isn't home. Lynne___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: spaying
Lynne, I can undrstand your feelings, especially with what you have gone through. Kelley is right about all she says. I just finished working at a spay/neuter clinic today...35 cats done successfully. If you use a really safe anesthesia, and the cat is monitored. You should really be OK. Most of the cats we did today had had litters before. Really, talk to your vet about EVERYTHING they will do, and your concerns It should make you feel better. Best you you all, Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: spaying To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 6:19 PM Hi Lynne, I would check the contract you have with the agency from which you adopted her. It is likely the adoption is conditional on you getting her spayed - this is why we do not adopt out unspayed animals btw. Unless there is some severe underlying health issue, which the vet should have advised you of, it is always healthier for the cat to be altered. It reduces or eliminates the chances of certain types of cancer, it eliminates the chance of unplanned pregnancies, etc. On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat. I need some honest advice here. Don't just tell me what I want to hear but what I must hear. I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be exact because they all lived very long lives. Then came BooBoo and all the tragedy associated with Feline leukemia, FIP etc. I still say I shouldn't have neutered him (age 5) and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. My other cats have always been neutered before we got them (from the humane society.) Now we have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who was very ill with feline herpes virus. It caused some scarring in one eye and apparently it took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and respiratory tract infection treated. She is seemingly very healthy, the vet says she has a strong heart. What I did learn about her though was that she did have a litter of kittens at one point and they all died. I have read that it can be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and that is why it is best to do it at a young age. I have her scheduled to go in this Tuesday and I'm petrified. I would absolutely die if something were to happen to her. I worry about the stress and her history of Herpes virus. She's such a happy and loving little girl but becomes very aggitated over having her eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things for a persian. When we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had a very horrible ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have it surgically removed. It was a horrible sight. She had to be put under she was so hysterical. The vet even told us we had a bad kitty because I guess she put a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone into heat during the time we've owned her which is around 4 months now. She's an indoor cat but is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh air and nature. Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one of us in the yard with them and both stay very close. It is impossible for either one go get out of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile male to find his way in. Like I mentioned, they both are supervised diligently and only let out for a short time. 90% of the time they are inside or in the screened patio. I know ultimately this is my decision but I would truly appreciate any thoughts you wonderful people might have on the subject. Many thanks Lynne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 Check out our Memsaic! http://www.memsaic.com/app/launch.cfm?sid=08D2CAB2A6E9 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help with some of our kitties medical needs! http://rescuties.chipin.com/kitties-medical-expenses Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: Taking My Deceased Wife's Name Off the Felvtal List:
David, so very sorry for your loss. Please accept my sympathy. God be with you and your furkids, Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Wed, 6/18/08, Sharon Siders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sharon Siders [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Taking My Deceased Wife's Name Off the Felvtal List: To: felv felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 1:59 AM nbsp; Please remove my wife's name from the felvtalk e-mailing addresses. nbsp; My wife passed away about three weeks ago.nbsp; She really appreciated being on your e-mail list, but to be quite honest with you I just get upset when I receive felvtalknbsp;e-mails.nbsp; I still have my two little furry feline buddies that are experiencing with me the process of grieving.nbsp; I need to spend time with them and they need to spend time with me.nbsp; I hope you understand and sometime in the future I might rejoin the group. nbsp; Thanks in Advance, nbsp; David L. Siders Husband of the late Sharon Siders nbsp;___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Hobbs, May 4, 2008
What a beautiful tribute to you all. May Hobbs rest in peace. I know he loves you all, and thanks you for a chance at life. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Tue, 5/6/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hobbs, May 4, 2008 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2008, 10:04 PM I'm so sorry, Heather. tonya Heather Wienker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am very sad to let everyone know that Hobbs passed away Sunday afternoon at 12:48 p.m. His caregiver, Jann, woke up Saturday and dashed around to replenish suppliesbut when she got home he was clearly declining. She felt he was suffering and made the decision on Sunday to cease force feedings as he was obviously in pain. She did keep his mouth moist and tried to keep him warm, mostly just allowing him to do whatever he wanted or could. She took a sleeping bag in her spare room slept with him Saturday night, and spent Sunday morning in her yard with him in the sun, petting and consoling him. We had been trying to find a vet to come to her home, but he ended up passing on his own...which we are grateful for, though she fears she allowed him to suffer. I think had we not tried the treatments of this last week, we would be wondering if he might have had more time. Please add Hobbs to the Candle Light Service, and keep Jann and his sister Sissy in your prayers, they were two little peas in a pod, as Jann would say. Hobbs was a year old. I am very thankful to Jann for giving Hobbs Sissy the chance to live the life of love that all kitties deserve, regardless of what is in their blood. We found them when, after 20 years in the same building on a busy university campus, I moved to a new office on the other side of campus. I was very nervous about this decision and kept telling everyone I wished that I'd get a sign from God. Upon moving, I had 2 injured feral cats colonies in the first two weeks, and also was approached by a new coworker regarding an injured cat, who was Hobbs' and Sissy's Mom. She had an eye ear injury and my heart immediately told me I had to help her; we did not know she was a nursing Mom. I had been told she was declawed, and that they'd caught her 6 months prior along with a kitten of hers (negative), she also was not injured then. Why she was put back out unspayed, I will never know unless it was because they thought she might have more kittens. When I trapped her, she was not declawed but was positive for FELV, FIV, and a nursing Mom. I really feel that Mama, Sissy, Hobbs, Mickey Sebastian were that sign from God I'd sought, as they would either still be out there reproducing and likely ill, or would have been put down due to testing positive for Leukemia had someone else trapped them. I set out to find/trap the kittens and found out that 2 ladies had already found 2 of them, I had to give them the news of the Mom' testing status. Both of their kittens were weak double+, but did clear the FIV. Initially Sissy and Hobbs were only FIV+, but they retested positive for Leukemia a month later, confirmed by retesting twice. I was so upset by all that this Mom kitty had been through, and knowing that much of it--including this litter of kittens with leukemia, could have been prevented had she been spayed...there was no way I could not give them their chance. However, being in a small condo with 10 cats, I didn't even have room for another negative cat. It is Hobbs' caretaker, Jann, who gave Hobbs and Sissy the chance for life and love that they deserved, and I know they could not have had a more loving home. I am very grateful for Jann, and know she is hurting badly right now. I want to thank everyone for their kindness, support, advice and prayers. Hobbs was a very special boy, when I first took them to Jann's as kittens she said she felt an instant connection, she has always told me this. His illness and loss has been very hard for her and she has been very appreciative of the support. Thank you all for giving these special kitties love for the time that they have here, it means everything in the world for them. In Loving Memory of Hobbs, Heather Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: my poor snowy
Well, they say things happen for a reason. An infected paw wouldn't help anything heal. Glad you found it. I have a cat who has that happen all the time. He is semi feral, and the vet has to clip his hails. He is diabetic, and i don't mess with that. Give her extra loves...as if I had to tell you to do that!!! Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Sat, 4/26/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: my poor snowy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, April 26, 2008, 8:32 PM Well I won't be taking Snowy in for spaying this coming week. I went to clip her nails tonight and noticed that there was a big lump on her right paw. When I touched it she meowed so I got her into the emergency vet. They told me I did nothing wrong that this had happened to her over a very long period of time. Her nail had grown into her skin, along with hair and they had to put her under and remove it. It had grown far into her pad and couldn't be removed easily. I don't get this. She had seen 2 vets prior to our getting her and no one noticed this. Now the poor little thing has to be on antibiotics (Clindamycin) and wear one of those horrible hood things so she won't lick her paw. She had a piece taken out of it and cauterized. I am so sorry for what this poor little dear has been through in her short life. I just hope all this trauma doesn't cause her herpes virus to resurface. The first thing the vet did when we got her there was to squirt eye wash into her eyes and she got all upset. I kind of yelled at him for doing that and asked why. He said she looks like she has allergies and I said she's a persian their eyes tear. Fortunately there was a very knowledgeable technician present who seemed to know a lot more than this guy did. Lynne Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: spaying
Lynne, I know how you feel. Your new little one is healthy. If you go to a capable vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be fine. I have seen the proceedure done many times. We waited almost a year to do our Dusty because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma. I was a basket case, but my wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a kitten sized tube to intubate her during the surgery. She is now 10 yrs old...fat and very content. Good luck and God bless. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: spaying To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM Hi all, I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all the emails. I guess this is a little off topic but I need some reassurance. This coming Thursday we are taking our Snowy in to be spayed. It was part of the contract I signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died. She's a 3 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this. We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took about a day. She had been neglected in the past and had basically lived in a cage until she was rescued. She had feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got her. I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo neutered he may have fared better. I truly believe that it hastened his demise. I hope I'm wrong about this and even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize spaying is a little more complicated. The vet assured us she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think we'd ever recover. She is an amazing precious little girl. We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me every night when I go upstairs. She talks to us all the time in these little meows and you can tell she is really happy. The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was doing and was amazed at her too. He commented that we were lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused animals. He also said she was very lucky to have got us, which was very nice of him. Lynne Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: Please add Inky to CLS
Kerry, I have been so busy with work etc, that i haven't been reading all my mail. I am truly sorry for your loss. I personally know how hard it is. Time will heal, but you will never forget. Be blessed, all of you. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 --- On Wed, 4/23/08, Sally Flood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sally Flood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Please add Inky to CLS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, April 23, 2008, 5:15 PM I'm new to the group, but have known the sorrow of losing a dear feline friend. You have my sincere sympathy in your loss of Inky. All cats are special, but some are true soul friends. I think that your soul friend, Inky, will let you know when it is time to bring another kitty into your heart and home by sending you another little soul friend to love. Another Sally Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all so much for all the kind words and all the words of wisdom over the last few years..I know there must have been a big party at the bridge. Inky was met by his mom, sister and all his other relatives that I had over the last 15 yrs. He was the last of 10 from 3 different litters.. MC, you couldn't have put it any better to me..Also, Gloria, Belinda and Kerry...each of your words will help me in many ways. I do have more kitties...most of which are all young. It's just that Inky was the only house kitty. He shared space with my 2 dogs. (which turn 13 in May) So I am going to wait awhile before I move anyone into the house. I just don't think I could do that yet. Thanks again, Kerry - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: ournewbaby
It's hard to be patient, isn't it? You jus' want to grab 'em and love em' You are handling it correctly, though. Congrats to all of you. Dede --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We met the foster mom of the cat we adopted at the vets this morning and now have our new little girl home. She was a rescued cat from this horrible shop owner in town. I was expecting to meet a kind of pathetic looking little kitty but to our surprise, she's a 9 pound gorgeous white persian with amber colored eyes. She's absolutely beautiful but for the moment prefers to be upstairs on her own. We're not forcing ourselves on her but the foster mom says she is very affectionate and loves attention. She inspected every inch of the house and will come down when she wants to. We are just so happy to finally have her here. She has never had a real home, just a pet store and the foster mom. Lynne When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: newgirlexpected
Lynne, Am so happy for you and you new little one. When I was living in Fl, the rescue groups combined to take in over 50 persians this woman had. They were all sick. It was an awful battle. God bless you and Snowball. It WILL make a difference for you, and it already has for her. Dede --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got the email I've been waiting for today. I have been trying to adopt this adorable little rescued cat, persian, for a couple weeks now. I have missed BooBoo so much and have been through such emotional garbage with the previous owners of him that I just need another cat to give a good life to. This cat was rescued from a horrible person who had a pet shop in town. The humane society and SPCA went in and seized his animals and the City took his business licence away. This cat, (Snowball) was so sick, eyes swollen shut from infection, URI and it has taken the foster woman a month to get her well. She got final approval from the vet to be let go, has got her shots updated and that's that. She had been disgnosed with herpes. I know, I'm getting myself into another potential situation here, but at least I know what I have to deal with if an outbreak occurs. The vet was going to have her spayed before releasing her but I convinced him that I would do it in the near future once she has settled down in her new home. I wish I had never had BooBoo neutered so quickly after getting him. I truly believe it triggered his rapid downfall. Anyway, I now have the foster mom's personal email and we are going to start the process of her coming to me. I am just so happy to be able to look after another little lost soul. Lynne When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: Smokey
Thanks, Tonya. I have a lot of cats...have lost 4 this year. It's never easy. There are some though, that you have a very special place in your heart for. Smokey was one of these. A short time after Smokey died, my husband's favorite friend, Moon died unexpectedly from a pancreatic tumor. These were 2 of the guys that slept right next to us. David said when he crosses over, he wants to see his dad, and then Moon and the other guys next!!! This from a guy it took me 20 yers to convert to CAT!! Take care, Dede --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DeDe, I'm so sorry to read about Smokey. :( tonya I told you a bit about Smokey. The morning he died, he woke me up as usual nuzling my ear and purring. I will never forget that, ever. We too, had just had the aspiration done, but he wasn't eating and it was so hard for him to breathe at times. We went through the same thing at the vet. It seemed the more we did the aspirations, the quicker the fluid came back. After he died, the vet looked into his chest. One lung was collapsed, and he was full of tumors. He had to have been unconfortable, and it was time. Cats are such noble and unselfish beings. You never really know how sick they are until they have no more to give. Console yourself with the fact that Boo was really happy until just before the end, and he knew true love and devotion from you both. Not many cats on this planet can claim that. God bless you both, and don't worry about BooBoo. He is fine, happy and healthy, and waiting for you. Dede --- Lynne wrote: We lost our precious baby tonight. He developed difficulty breathing and we rushed him to the emergency clinic. He was dehydrated and had just had his lungs aspirated Friday. The vet recently experienced the same situation with his Himilayan, co-incidentally, though I sometimes think they make stuff up to identify with your pain. I held his little face in my hand and petted him as did Bob and he slipped away almost immediately. I don't think I've cried this much in my life, Bob too. At this moment I can't imagine ever being happy again. Sounds stupid but BooBoo conveyed to me this evening it was time to go and he thanked us. He was so very weak he could hardly walk but he was still purring as we pet him even with the damn catheter in. We know this was best for him but the worst for us. Thank you all for being so very supportive. Lynne When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: update: Athena
When we adopted Ki, his mother and all sibs were neg. It wasn't until he developed swollen nodes un his neck that we had him tested. He was always a weak pos. We then vaccinated all of our other cats. I did a lot of research and it seems as though the healthy vaccinated adult cats are the safest to have a pos cat with. We haven't had any problems since Ki's death last June. I still have his brother, and he is healthy as a horse...looks and eats like one too! Good luck on your decision. I am not sure I would ever get a pos cat again. Between the felv and the fip, and losing him anyway...it almost killed me. However, I would never euth a cat that I had already owned because of the felv. I fall in love too quickly. I think i would tke a very agressive approach if this ever happens to me again. Good luck on your decision. Dede --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beth, I can understand how frustrated and disheartened you are but I would agree about bringing in another vaccinated adult cat if any. My Lennie has lived a single life for 19 years and when we discovered Boo had Felv we weren't concerned because they did not want anything to do with each other. Until Boo came along, we never had more than one cat and he likes having us all to ourselves. I honestly don't think they care about companions all that much if you give them all the attention. If you really think Athena needs a friend then the vaccinated adult would probably be the best bet. I am still so heartbroken at this point I could not put myself through what I just went through with losing BooBoo again, not this soon anyway. But that may change. If I were to be offered a vet checked cat that tested positive and was really healthy, not like my baby, I would probably consider taking it if I knew no one else would. In my case it was the horrible shock of not knowing anything about this disease until it was far too late. I still have hope for these cats. Lynne - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: Re: update: Athena I've bought in both. And never had any transfer of the virus. I think the important thing is to bring in another vaccinated adult, or healthy positive adult. t Beth Gouldin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all So Athena just re-tested on ELISA a weak positive. This is 9 weeks from the first testing that we did when we lost Orion to FeLV.nbs p; I guess I'm just disheartened... I had REALLY hoped (for her sake) that she would be negative - she seems so healthy...no major problems or anything... and we really wanted to get another cat for a companion for her. My husband and I have talked and we just can't bring closure to ourselves to intentionally get another FeLV + cat... which means pretty much she's gonna stay a single cat. I don't know, in my mind it just seems that it would be a perpetually bleak cycle (and I know that it's not true simply because of the joy they bring..but this is my bummed out- ness coming through) to have 'sick' cats that can just die any time. Do any of you have experiences bringing in another cat? Do you always elect to get another FeLV +? How do kittens generally fare? Our vet suggested bringing in a FeLV negative vaccinated adult...but I don't want even the SLIGHTEST risk of exposing another cat to this. Any feedback would help me out... I'm so frustrated with this whole thing. Thanks for listening :} -- Beth Gouldin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 940.395.5393 God Bless!!! When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: BooBoo left us
Lynn and Bob, I am so very very sorry for your loss. Even though you know it is probably coming, there is still a part of you that hopes for the impossible. I told you a bit about Smokey. The morning he died, he woke me up as usual nuzling my ear and purring. I will never forget that, ever. We too, had just had the aspiration done, but he wasn't eating and it was so hard for him to breathe at times. We went through the same thing at the vet. It seemed the more we did the aspirations, the quicker the fluid came back. After he died, the vet looked into his chest. One lung was collapsed, and he was full of tumors. He had to have been unconfortable, and it was time. Cats are such noble and unselfish beings. You never really know how sick they are until they have no more to give. Console yourself with the fact that Boo was really happy until just before the end, and he knew true love and devotion from you both. Not many cats on this planet can claim that. God bless you both, and don't worry about BooBoo. He is fine, happy and healthy, and waiting for you. Dede --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We lost our precious baby tonight. He developed difficulty breathing and we rushed him to the emergency clinic. He was dehydrated and had just had his lungs aspirated Friday. The vet recently experienced the same situation with his Himilayan, co-incidentally, though I sometimes think they make stuff up to identify with your pain. I held his little face in my hand and petted him as did Bob and he slipped away almost immediately. I don't think I've cried this much in my life, Bob too. At this moment I can't imagine ever being happy again. Sounds stupid but BooBoo conveyed to me this evening it was time to go and he thanked us. He was so very weak he could hardly walk but he was still purring as we pet him even with the damn catheter in. We know this was best for him but the worst for us. Thank you all for being so very supportive. Lynne When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: new hope for Boo
I came in a little late to all this that BooBoo has been going through, and I missed something...obviously. You got this cat from a Breeder And they did NOT give you your money back??? (Not that it would have helped Boo, but the gesture would have been nice) I hope you fry their ( ). People like this should be prosacuted for the sake of the cats and the misery they put the people through. I hope you are saving every single receipt. So glad Boo is feeling better. I hope both he and you have a lovely weekend! Dede --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah thanks Anita. We had to rush him in this morning a day early because he was breathing through his mouth. Dr. Gill, BooBoo's biggest admirer drew another 100 cc from his lungs. He immediately felt better and Dr. Gill handed him over to Bob to take home. As soon as he got home he ate like a little horse and now is sleeping. My husband and I keep asking each other if we're sure this is what we want to do and we both agree we've made a committment to try what's available to us and that's what we're going to do. It will break my heart when our 19 year old goes but he has lead such a good life and still is but poor little BooBoo didn't deserve this and it could have easily been prevented by one frickin vaccine that a stupid cat breeder neglected to do. I hope the woman who took the 300 bucks from us for him uses the money to go out for dinner and chokes. I'm appalled that they know what we're going through and didn't at the very least give back the money to help us offset his vet bills. I'm not done with these people. I'm just too busy with Boo at the moment to get really vindictive. Lynne - Original Message - From: Stray Cat Alliance To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: RE: new hope for Boo Lynne, my heart truly goes out to you, your husband and Boo. What love and compassion you have - that is truly worth its weight in gold. Love is the best medicine and you obviously have a lot of that! I am praying the treatments help Boo. Best wishes, Anita Every year shelters kill almost 5,000,000 cats, dogs, puppies kittens. Most were beautiful, loving creatures (even feral cats!) that died simply because they did not have a home. Every puppy or kitten born costs a shelter animal its life. Save lives, spay-neuter, support Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) adopt for life! Visit http://www.castawaycritters.org/info/display?PageID=153 for information on Spay/Neuter in Mid-Central PA Visit http://www.alleycat.org for information on humane control of the feral and stray cat population Visit http://www.cpaa.info for information on life-saving programs and organizations in Mid-Central PA From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: new hope for Boo Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:17:18 -0500 Well, after bawling a lot last night and conferring with my husband while at work today I faxed off another letter to my vet letting him know that Bob and I would try any treatment that may possibly give BooBoo more time on this earth with us and I made a couple suggestions. To my surprise he told me I could pick the interferon up tomorrow at the pharmacy I deal with and he would start the injections Saturday. The other vet said it would do no good at this stage, but BooBoo's primary caregiver is more willing to try to help him, that is if we wish to go through with it. I was so desparate today I wondered if he could be transfused to give him a better shot at battling this and he will be transfused next week. His vet said they have a donor for him that is vaccinated yearly. I didn't actually think there would be a live donor and was kind of dismayed to think another cat would have to do this for us but the vet assured me with cats their blood store is totally back to normal in a short time. I even had a pharmacy tech offer her Himalayan as a donor. I truly do not know if this will do any good whatsoever but what is there left to do. If new blood and interferon can't help him, I honestly believe we can do nothing more. I asked about other drugs too but the vet said he was really happy and thankful we're willing to go this far for him. He has 3 cats of his own and does love cats. He told us most positive cats or cats with FIP aren't given these chances so this is a first for him. I know he will do everything he can to help BooBoo. He really loves him too..If we can just give him a fighting chance here I'll try this Transfer Factor stuff that came in the mail today. Lynne -- Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your
Re: new hope for Boo
I would believe that in most states, the minute you take money for something, and verify it is healthy or it works, you are committed to be truthful about it. If not, it seems like fraud. One thing is for sure, Boo would have never gotten the care you have given him had he stayed there. Even with a shorter life, it is better to know love and have quality in your existence. You are fortunate that Boo does so well after the aspirations. My soul mate, Smokey died from cancer, and each time we did the aspiration, he'd get a bit worse...plus he wasn't eating. It must make you feel great to see him eating so well. All the best, Dede --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede, she was not a registered breeder but just had all these Himalayans. I found out about BooBoo being for sale online of all places. The only reason I bought him was because he is BooBoo, a cat I had got to know well through the previous summer and fall as he would come to my house all of the time and we'd feed, groom and tend to his wounds. He had a little collar on and I would put messages on his collar for them to take him to the vet because of his bloodied ears etc and one time the owner came around wanting to know if I had him, which I didn't and I lit into her about her neglect and threatened to take him to the humane society if she didn't keep care of him. She and I aren't exactly buddies. I dealt with her two daughters when I bought Boo. The daughter told me that to her knowledge he had been vaccinated, I didn't ask for proof of vaccination but assumed he had been. This is one of those buyer beware situations I guess. I'm convinced now they knew he was not well. After they agreed to sell him to me we were not able to actually have him for almost 2 weeks. They kept making excuses about family wanting to see him, he was asleep with the other cats, etc etc. I would ask the daughter, is there something wrong with him, is he ok and she would just laugh it off and say, he's great. Even if I had known he was ill I would have taken him. It's weird but it's like this cat was destined to be ours. Once the cold weather came and he stayed inside, I would come home every day from work and hope that he would come out from under the trailer in our driveway and I would steal him so he'd never have to leave again. It was a dream come true to get him and now this. Lynne - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:57 PM Subject: Re: new hope for Boo I came in a little late to all this that BooBoo has been going through, and I missed something...obviously. You got this cat from a Breeder And they did NOT give you your money back??? (Not that it would have helped Boo, but the gesture would have been nice) I hope you fry their ( ). People like this should be prosacuted for the sake of the cats and the misery they put the people through. I hope you are saving every single receipt. So glad Boo is feeling better. I hope both he and you have a lovely weekend! Dede --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah thanks Anita. We had to rush him in this morning a day early because he was breathing through his mouth. Dr. Gill, BooBoo's biggest admirer drew another 100 cc from his lungs. He immediately felt better and Dr. Gill handed him over to Bob to take home. As soon as he got home he ate like a little horse and now is sleeping. My husband and I keep asking each other if we're sure this is what we want to do and we both agree we've made a committment to try what's available to us and that's what we're going to do. It will break my heart when our 19 year old goes but he has lead such a good life and still is but poor little BooBoo didn't deserve this and it could have easily been prevented by one frickin vaccine that a stupid cat breeder neglected to do. I hope the woman who took the 300 bucks from us for him uses the money to go out for dinner and chokes. I'm appalled that they know what we're going through and didn't at the very least give back the money to help us offset his vet bills. I'm not done with these people. I'm just too busy with Boo at the moment to get really vindictive. Lynne - Original Message - From: Stray Cat Alliance To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: RE: new hope for Boo Lynne, my heart truly goes out to you, your husband and Boo. What love and compassion you have - that is truly worth its weight in gold. Love is the best medicine and you obviously have a lot of that! I am praying the treatments help Boo. Best wishes, Anita Every year shelters kill almost 5,000,000 cats, dogs, puppies kittens
Re: more bad news
Lynne, I am truly so sorry for things being as they are. Those who responded to your post are more than correct. There is no test for FIP. (except the one Kelly talked about...I dunno) Vets use a titre, and they add up all the clinical symptoms and guess. Almost all cats will test + for the corona virus. Even if the former owners did really vaccinate, if the cat had been exposed, it wouldn't have made any difference. We believe, but do not KNOW if that is what got our precious felv baby Ki last year. His fluid was in the addoman, and he already had liver damage. I am told there is a group for FIP. Anyone know anything? You think vets are negative about felv? Just ask about FIP. I honestly don't know the odds here, but you are doing everything and more for BooBoo. He knows he is loved and is grateful for you both. God bless you all. Dede --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well just when you think it can't get any worse it does. BooBoo's cytology came back today and he has FIP as well as feline leukemia. There was no bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do for him. There was no bacteria in the culture, just protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are leaky. The vet says all we can do is make him comfortable and at this point it is all about quality of life. He will continue to drain his lungs every week to 10 days and keep him on this antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix once a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung fluid. If he becomes worse, ie he has to have the fluid drained more frequently then we will have to do the obvious. We will put on a good face for our dear boy and do everything we can to keep him with us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good at the moment. The vet said they had another cat in this week that tested positive for FIP but not leukemia. He said BooBoo has been hit with a double blow and unfortunately the end is near. I don't know if the Factor stuff will make it here before Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and face the inevitable. My husband and I are horribly sad about this but I'm getting angry now at these criminals who owned him and lied to me about his being healthy and vaccinated. We have several top notch lawyers in our practice who like me a lot and would do me a favor if I asked. I'm seriously considering consulting with one of them when this tragedy is over. Lynne When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: BooBoo is home!!
Lynn, I am so happy BooBoo is doing OK. My little Ki who died in June came from the same kind of place. I only had him for a yr, but it was a good year, and he knew what it was to be loved and wanted. Forget the past. I know there are many people who can help you on this list. I was a novice (still am) but I was going to try the IR on Ki. I was impressed with the stuff I read about it. Go for all you can as long as Boo is comfortable. Bless you all. Dede --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck with Boo Boo. I'm sorry the bloodwork doesn't look better. It sounds like you have a vet that knows what they're doing. Obviously the previous owners just suck. tonya Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BooBoo just came home from his neutering. He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia, has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring. He's really happy to be home. The vet went over his blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. He's already anemic. I was so hoping for some good news. He's checking into some drugs for the future if needed and we choose to go that route. He said they are very expensive. This whole experience has sucked the life out of me. I look at this precious little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a disease yet I know he does. I am so angry with his previous owners right now. They emailed me last week when I told them the news and they pretty much suggested that we gave him this disease because he was always healthy and happy. This coming from a family who never took him to a vet. He was a mess when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a terrible case of earmites. Now he's beautifully groomed, clean and seemingly overjoyed at being here. This all so totally new to me. We've never had a pet with an illness, let alone something like this. I swear I'm becomming depressed. I'm not gonna let BooBoo know it though. Lynne When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: my baby
Yeah, they sure know when they've got a good thing going. I had one that wanted his head petted lightly while eating. He did finally recover after he had sucked me dry time-wise. Oh, the things we do for love !!! Dede --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to tell you guys about BooBoo's new regime. It involves taking him out in the patio twice a day for fresh air and nature. He's really enjoying it. He watches and listens to the birds for about 10 to 15 minutes at a time. I think it does him a world of good. Today he walked into the living room after his outdoor adventure, which is unusual, and was waving his tail in Lennie's face who was sleeping on the sofa. This woke Len up who just stared at him. Then Bob was feeding Len some silly cat treats and BooBoo who usually cowers from him, got up marched right over to Len and hissed at him. Totally out of character. Lennie who in his day would lay ruin to any animal who entered his yard just left and went back to bed. On the way to the stairs Boo tore the hell out of the bottom stair carpet and boinged upstairs. I had brought his food up but he literally threw himself down in front of it, put his head between his paws and sulked until Bob came up and encouraged him to eat. It's getting ridiculous. He wants both of us to feed him and stay with him til he's done. So far the Lasix seems to be keeping the fluid under control and he's breathing normally. Hope you all have a wonderful weekend. Lynne When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: BooBoo today
Lynn, I am following each post. my prayers go out to all of you. The cat I had fluid removed from his chest...he never did that well. It has got to be a good sign that he is so active. Dede --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, BooBoo is still with us for the time being anyway. My husband took him in this morning with the instructions to help him, not destroy him so the vet removed 16 ml of fluid from his chest and sent him home with a prescription for Lasix. Bob said he saw his xray and his organs were obscured by the fluid. The vet said we'd know better by the end of the week how well it is working. He's also scheduled to go back next Tuesday for further aspiration if it is necessary. The vet told my husband he knew I didn't want to let him go but told Bob he was at the end stage. Bob tells me BooBoo has filled the litter box with pee this afternoon after the dose of Lasix so I'm hopeful and his breathing has definitely improved. When they got home Bob took him up to bed, came downstairs and there was BooBoo following behind. He then tore into the stairs before boinging up to bed. This from a little guy who was at death's door early this morning. The vet is going to get back to us with the analysis of the fluid. I don't know what difference that will make. My boss is away tomorrow so I am taking the day off to spend with my boys. I don't want to become too optimistic but today is definitely better than yesterday. Lynne When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ
Re: breathing difficulties
Lynn, we had to give doxy to one of our cats last year. It can be compounded by a pharmacy to taste better. It's not cheap, and there is a short shelf life. Might be worth a try. I feel what you are going through. My thoughts are with you. Dede --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Laurie. I needed to hear that. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: Re: breathing difficulties Vet isn't in same emotional space as you are...could be the explanation. Prayers with you. I feel he is going to be fine. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:28 AM Subject: Re: breathing difficulties No, he didn't aspirate. I gave the water immediately after the doxy so I don't know which caused it. I think he was hyperventilating. I stayed with him til he calmed down and went to sleep, and honestly I'm afraid to go upstairs. I'm sure he does sense my anxiety. He does not like to be held or confined in any manner. What bugs me though is when we go to the vet, the vet can do anything to him, give him pills, take his temp and BooBoo will just go limp, won't argue, fight, nothing, just scowel. Better go upstairs and make sure he's just sleeping. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: Re: breathing difficulties Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the water or after the doxy? Maybe the water isn't working with him. I would call the vet and ask about this. Our vet told us we had to give the doxy directly (not mixed in food). Midas hated it too. It's really important thing is for YOU to be calm before you give him the meds and don't think about it before you actually do it. This is how I got Frankie, a formerly feral kitten, to take inhaled meds. I had to calm my own mind. I also think they can sense if we are going to give them a med so I didn't think about it before I sat down to do it. It did help. Our cats sense our mood...I hope this makes sense. I just got up. L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: breathing difficulties I had a frightening event with BooBoo this morning. He hates being given this Doxy and fights me. I gave him some water via syringe after it as well. Suddenly he started gasping for air, breathing through his mouth for about 10 minutes. He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal circumstances. I can't imagine what kind of stress the Interferon shots are going to cause him. Should I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food? It's doubtful he would get the appropriate dosage if I did because he is a light eater. I'm beginning to think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and perhaps it would be best to just let nature take its course without intervention. I hate this. One minute he seems perky and now he's just exhausted. I spent the time with him while he was having problems breathing comforting him, just to get him settled down and even his purring was excessively loud. I don't know how much more this little guy can tolerate. Lynne When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: Please Add Buddy to Candlelight Service
May you find peace, Michelle. Dede --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buddy has gone to rainbow bridge to collect her angel wings tonight. She is on her bed at the moment looking peaceful and I will take her to the pet crematorium tomorrow then bring her ashes home. Infection overwhelmed her and wouldn't respond to antibiotics and she got to be in too much pain and started to give up - the weekend was a really bad one for her, she collapsed in pain when the vet felt her kidneys and stomach today so it's nice to see her looking peaceful now - nothing was helping her anymore. I'll miss her pawing my face and sticking her face out for kisses - she was such a lovely affectionate girl until this got hold of her. Minstrel has had a look at her and gone off upset but at least she knows. Michelle, Minstrel, Angel Buddy Angel Bramble xxx When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: Julie has crossed over the Rainbow Bridge
So very sorry, Wendy. I understand your pain. Have had enough of it lately with the cats. Julie was blessed to have you for a mom Dede --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, It is with sadness I tell you that Julie's doctor and I helped Julie cross over the Rainbow Bridge yesterday afternoon. She was purring and happy when it happened and she passed peacefully. She was my beautiful 18.5 year old Maine Coon who lived a charmed life and was spoiled to no end. She was a very, very sweet kitty and was never aggressive to anyone or to any fellow animal ever. Her little body had just had it from the hyperT and CRF, and after this last week, I knew it was time. It was such a difficult decision to make though. Part of me felt like it was not my place to make that decision; after all I did not create her life. The other part knew that I could never let her suffer the way my Cricket did when he died from FeLV-related anemia. I knew it would be a matter of days for her and I wanted her to pass without suffering. I took off work to spend the day with her and she had a great day, even being as weak as she was. She enjoyed being outside in the sun; it was a beautiful day. I just want to thank everyone here for your help and encouragment with all my kitties and for being such great listeners. You all are wonderful people. Sincerely, Wendy Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: Whitey
Did they ever clean his ears? If so, that can cause the tilting. It can take as much as 3 mo. to go away. Went through this last year. Cat is fine now. Dede --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys. Whitey is still having some issues and I was hoping some of the more experienced people around might have an idea of what's up. The problem I'm seeing is he's still disoriented/The problem I'm seeing is he's still disoriented/WB I can't figure out whats wrong with him! We thought it was a severe inner ear infection, but after 4 weeks on Baytril, it still hasn't cleared up. (It seems to have gotten much better, but not gone). He also had horribly bad teeth, all of which were pulled two weeks ago. I was thinking maybe that was part of it, but he's still doing it two weeks after the dental work and 2 weeks on Baytril, so I'm at a loss here. He's about 12 years old for those of you who may not remember. He's otherwise asympomatic. He doesn't appear to be in any pain. He's quite friendly still and purs when he's in my lap, he gets around, eats and drinks well, using the litterbox well, other than the walking with his head sideways and stumbling his health is a thousand times better than it was when I took him in, but I just can't figure the dizziness out. Any thoughts on what might be causing it? Or how to treat? Should I schedule him another vet appointment? He has to go back on the 13th for his FeLV booster, so I'll definitely talk to the vet then, but I didn't know if I should consider taking him in earlier. Michael ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Gemini is Home!! OT
David got here about 8 PM last night. Gemmi was fine. I let her go in my closet...thought she'd be a basket case. She wanted out right away. Had a few nose to nose altercations, but meowed and scampered around. She even made biscuits on the bed. She is a lot quieter today, but will come to you, and sings and purrs. David said she yelled like a banchee when the plane took off the first time. guess the noise and pressure change scared her. Everyone wanted to see her. She finally calmed down and did really well. So another loose end in our lives is closed. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Gemini is coming home! OT
I don't know if anyone remembers or not, but when we moved to NY from FL in April, our little black long haired yellow eyed Gemini was left behind. My friend who ran the rescue group I worked with took her back to the shelter. Unfortunately, the shelter changed hands, and they have some serious problems. Gemini had gotten inside a wall. She came out at nite, but must have been petrified. I had someone pick her up 3 wks ago, and take her to the vet. She had lost a lb. had severe gingivitis with pus, and fleas. They had to extract 8 teeth. She is all fixed up now. As we speak, my DH is heading to the Albany airport from Jax, Fl. with our sweetheart. He had quite a time in Security...Would you please take the cat out of the carrier? Duh No sir!! They put him in a room and frisked him and checked the carrier. Cat got loose behind some boxes, but they got her. I know he will be in a nasty mood..1 1/2 hrs drive from Albany. He left yesterday, and back today. BUT, we have the cat. Amen. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: The March of Dimes...
I just have to add my 2 cents to this one. In the beginning the M of D was wonderful, but now they are another over paid administrative staff charity...just like the MDA and others. We adopted special needs children, and worked with many advocacy groups in the process. The M of D was a Nasty word to everyone. They do nothing for the kids except use them for poster children. The only children's charity I truly respect is The Children's Miracle Network. I have seen their results first hand time after time when my children were hospitalized. Basically, we do the fund raising for the animals now, and you have to even watch some of those charities also. Do your research and you will see. Dede --- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: March of Crimes. Don't they sew kittens eyes closed to see how long it takes to adapt to blindness? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 12:48 PM Subject: OT: The March of Dimes... Well, they are collecting for The March of Dimes again... Yesterday, while I was driving down the road my cell phone rang and it was an across town neighbor calling me to see if I would pledge a donation... I was kind of in a hurry, racing to a job and had just left a job where my check is being held up...and maybe this was not the perfect time to call me asking for money? Anyway, I told the person I give to animal and environmental causes and rattled off a list of names of organizations like Peta and Sea Shepherd ...Sierra Club...WWF...etc. (I'm not loaded but I give a dab here and there...) I also told him, I did not like giving to the March of Dimes, because I did not like babies and especially babies with birth defects! JUST KIDDING GUYS! No really, I told him I did not like the March of Dimes, because they give large amounts of money to labs that CONDUCT ANIMAL TESTING. When I was a kid I remember how cool it was to fill those sheets with dimes, probably one of the first organizations to really be successful with getting volunteers to walk the pavement collecting... Oh one more thing, the neighbor , upon me rejecting his request , reminded me he came into this world with a birth defect...he uses crutches...a good selling point and certainly a good way to make people feel guilty for not contributing, but this morning I googled march of dimes/animal testing. I called him and left a message to confirm why I refused him and told him to research his cause a bit... My son told me my back hurts today, because I'm evil...maybe he is right? Oh well, just thought I'd bring this subject up to entertain you guys while I'm a bit slowed down today with my aching back... Love you guys, Glenda Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
Re: Kaylee is gone
So sorry, Chris. My heart aches for you. I know your baby knows how much you love her. Dede --- Chris Behnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came back from the vets after saying goodbye to my girl. The tumor had eaten away too much at her eye and nose area that there was no hope. I could have brought her home but it would only have been a few days and she wouldnt have felt good. So I went to the vets and said my goodbyes while she was still sedated and held her while I had to let go. Thank you everyone for you support. Chris No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/988 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 9:14 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1002 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 5:46 PM When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
Re: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty
Megan, I am very sorry for your loss of Olive. I haven't been on the computer as much, and i missed her passing. My beautiful long haired orange boy, Jim had cancer, and we PTS 2 wks ago...I know how you feel. About the new kitty. In doing rescue work, we HAVE soon adult cats that look like 6 mo old. Actually, my Madonna who is deaf, and left at the colony we were feeding is very small. I was very surprised when I took the kitten to the vet and he said she was at least 2 yrs old. I do think that if they do not get the right nourishment during their prime growth period, they may be stunted in growth. Do get her tested right away, and the best of luck to you all. Dede --- Megan Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, I want to thank all of you for your condolences. I miss Olive, but I am doing much better. Although it hurts and sometimes I question myself, I think I did the right thing. I couldn't stand seeing her suffering. And now there is a new kitty in the household. I am by no means trying to replace Olive, because that would be impossible. My mom's new neighbors had this little kitten that they didn't take care of, and so my mom was letting her stay inside. Stepdad won't let her keep it, so she sorta kinda pushes it on me... My roommate decides to take her, because her cat is way back in New Jersey and she wants her own kitty. So, the little kitty is in her room for now, because I do not want to take any chance whatsoever of getting my cats sick. Although, this thing is slightly malnourished and dirty, and my guess is that it's probably FeLV-negative, otherwise it probably wouldn't still be alive. Still, I want to take precautions. Here's the weird thing about this cat: It's very very small, and at first glance looks like a small kitten. However, it's got the proportions of an adult cat. It's so strange. She looks like a miniature cat. Could her growth have been stunted, perhaps? Or do some kittens just turn out that way? I want to get her tested ASAP, so she isn't stuck by herself in a tiny room, but I have no idea how old she is. Size-wise, she looks maybe a month or so, but if it IS possible her growth was stunted The vet techs told me that you can't really tell if they're positive or negative until around 4 months, but I don't want to keep her cooped up in my roommate's room for the next few months. -Megan When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
RE: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty
Thank you, Diane. Jim was quite a cat. He liked to flirt with disaster. When he was a kitten, a neighbor kid said they found him in a box on the RR tracks. That is how we got him 10 yrs ago, we was shut in the neighbor's garage door. He lived, and had a paralyzed leg for awhile. Pretty soon he was back to smacking everyone. Then, he got shut in the dryer...long story, but he lived through that too! He started loosing weight last yr. We never could pin point the exact cause. The last time we took him to the vet, they felt masses in his kidney and spleen. He also had a severe heart arythmia. So, after 14 yrs of companionship, we let him go. He always thought he was all that so I'm sure someone at the bridge will have to have a talk with him!!! Dede --- Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede, I'm so sorry to hear about Jim. Hugs to you. I'm sure Jim is happily playing at the Bridge. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dede hicken Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty Megan, I am very sorry for your loss of Olive. I haven't been on the computer as much, and i missed her passing. My beautiful long haired orange boy, Jim had cancer, and we PTS 2 wks ago...I know how you feel. About the new kitty. In doing rescue work, we HAVE soon adult cats that look like 6 mo old. Actually, my Madonna who is deaf, and left at the colony we were feeding is very small. I was very surprised when I took the kitten to the vet and he said she was at least 2 yrs old. I do think that if they do not get the right nourishment during their prime growth period, they may be stunted in growth. Do get her tested right away, and the best of luck to you all. Dede --- Megan Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First off, I want to thank all of you for your condolences. I miss Olive, but I am doing much better. Although it hurts and sometimes I question myself, I think I did the right thing. I couldn't stand seeing her suffering. And now there is a new kitty in the household. I am by no means trying to replace Olive, because that would be impossible. My mom's new neighbors had this little kitten that they didn't take care of, and so my mom was letting her stay inside. Stepdad won't let her keep it, so she sorta kinda pushes it on me... My roommate decides to take her, because her cat is way back in New Jersey and she wants her own kitty. So, the little kitty is in her room for now, because I do not want to take any chance whatsoever of getting my cats sick. Although, this thing is slightly malnourished and dirty, and my guess is that it's probably FeLV-negative, otherwise it probably wouldn't still be alive. Still, I want to take precautions. Here's the weird thing about this cat: It's very very small, and at first glance looks like a small kitten. However, it's got the proportions of an adult cat. It's so strange. She looks like a miniature cat. Could her growth have been stunted, perhaps? Or do some kittens just turn out that way? I want to get her tested ASAP, so she isn't stuck by herself in a tiny room, but I have no idea how old she is. Size-wise, she looks maybe a month or so, but if it IS possible her growth was stunted The vet techs told me that you can't really tell if they're positive or negative until around 4 months, but I don't want to keep her cooped up in my roommate's room for the next few months. -Megan When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Looking for a deal
Re: Genevieve My precious baby is gone
I am so very sorry, Sherry. Dede --- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jen just called and it was worse then she thought,she was very anemic and septic,the felv destroyed her white blood cells and she had nothing to fight with.Jen gave her 12 hours of feeling better.I had a wonderful hour with her this morning,at least I didn't have to see her in agony.I will never forget that beautiful face and personality.I am so sick with heartache right now - Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
Anyone have any FeLV cats ...NY area
Since i have moved here in April, I have been at a sanctuary in Franklin, NY It is run by a judge and her husband from NYC...wonderful place. They had 2 + cats. One died. She is looking for a couple more to keep the one remaining one happy. Anyone know of any friendly cats? They have a vet on site. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
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Thank you Susan. I had been reading about the Flock cats. I will work on it Mon. The address for the Sanctuary is loveandhopeforanimals.org It is an amazing place, and they are truly dedicated. Dede --- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Theyc an always apply for someof the FLOCK cats, through Best Friends. It is my understanding that they will fly them via a volunteer pilot to their new homes. 39 out of 400+ tested felv+, so far. Not sure how many more need to be tested, or whether they are friendly. It was set up as a feral sanctuary, but ferals do turn friendly, espeically when they are sick, in pain, etc.. Sounds like a cool place. Do they have a website? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 7:42 AM Subject: Anyone have any FeLV cats ...NY area Since i have moved here in April, I have been at a sanctuary in Franklin, NY It is run by a judge and her husband from NYC...wonderful place. They had 2 + cats. One died. She is looking for a couple more to keep the one remaining one happy. Anyone know of any friendly cats? They have a vet on site. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
Dear Becky, I certainly do not have all the answers, but I can draw from my experiences over the years. It is usually true that when a cat stops eating, it can mean they are near the end. BUT, something happened to me last year that made me think twice. Whiskers stopped eating. She is CRF, and had a bladder or kidney infection . Anyway, she would NOT eat. It took me 2 mo. of force feeding her before she ate on her own. She is still with me. I did this with the encouragement of my vet, BTW. Spud if FIV, and has severe stomatitis. My vet treated him for Toxo. although she was at a loss as to what was really going on. His HCT was down to 12. I force fed him for 6 wks. He is still with me. His HCT is 22 now...not perfect, but doable. In June my FeLV kitty, KI stopped eating. Bloodwork was almost normal. I was force feeding, when all of a sudden, his abdoman filled with fluid. It was probably FIP, and he was having trouble breathing, so I elected to PTS. I am in the country now, and there is NO ER care nearby. 2 wks ago, My beautiful long haired orange boy, Jim stopped eating. Bloodwork looked pretty good. Force fed, but he continued to get thinner. When his eyes and gums turned yellow, they examined him again, and found a mass in his kidney, and one in his pancreas. We elected to PTS. I guess what I am saying is that every cat and situation is different. Sometimes we never do figure out what is wrong. It is just something you reason out, and look at the whole cat, and how they're reacting to the treatment they are getting. I have learned one thing though, you need to give them 60cc of food 3 times a day. God bless you both. Dede --- Beckie McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the Moeman is dying. I'm just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now. No more pokes and prods, etc. He's content I think. I'm just wondering if you guys could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat? Will he just get weaker and weaker like he has been? When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
Re: OT: oh Lordy!
Thanks Susan, I needed a good laugh. LOL!!! Dede --- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My cats are devils in fur. Gattos diablos... :) Their FAVORITE toy in the world? Detached barbie doll heads. Flowing in their water bowls, face down. And the funny part? I pick them up @ Good Will all day for a few cents, fully clothed w/ heads attached. In just a few short days, I find Barbie's prom dress in one corner, her naked headless body in another. The head still has hair, but it has been ravaged to the point of mere fluff. And everyone thinks I'M the crazy one in the family. But them again, they are momma's babies.. :) Nothing cuter than my Princess Purr-laaa AKAS Kannibal Kitty walking around meowing cooing w/ a caught Barbie doll She's soo cute.. It's the REAL Addams Family.. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: OT: Petition for Burned kitten in CA (Adam, he survived and so far is doing well)
Belinda, do you have to be living in California to sign? Dede --- Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Petition page, please sign this and pass it on, they need 5000 sigs and only have 034 as of now. It is the one that has been in the news, the two girls that burned the trapped kitten, Adam. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/adamsamendment Here is Adam's story site, he is adorable and fling well so far. Some photos are a little graphic but not too bad, he has already been treated and is bandaged up. http://www.adamsamendment.com/ -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
Re: Wallace with the angels now
Jean, I am so sorry for your loss. And a deep loss it is. I am tearing up just reading your touching story. My little Ki left me on June 30th. He was only 14 mo old. His brother, Chi has started coming into the bedroom with us. Chi looks a lot like Wallace. He is a pistol like Ki, and is really full of it. Yes, they are in good company, but it is so hard to let them go. Blessings, Dede --- Jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, folks. I'd like to thank everybody for the support and suggestions through my Wallace's brief-but-terminal illness. I'm sorry to report that he left this world on July 4 at 6:40PM, in my arms. My LJ post is here: http://lyonessnyc.livejournal.com/68839.html and a portrait I'd taken last year is here: http://lyonessnyc.livejournal.com/69444.html I love digital photography, and it's made great portraits of my kitties possible. If you try, make sure you have a macro function (it's usually the little flower on a button) so you get their little faces in focus. This is a wonderful group of people, and I'm grateful for all the help and support I got. I joined because I was trying to help a FeLeuk cat (not mine) find a home, and one of you wonderful people took Aries in and from all reports, he's happy and healthy. I salute the good work you all do, caring for these kitties. Again, thanks. -Jean Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: Ki is an Angel
Thank you, Tonys, I appreciate it. It never gets any easier, does it? Dede --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede, I'm so sorry to read about Ki. You certainly did everything you could. Take care of yourself. tonya dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
Re: Ki is an Angel
Thank you Cindy. It means a lot. Dede --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede, I am so so sorry to hear about Ki. You are in my thoughts. Cindy Reasoner --- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish I could say I deliberately did this. I swore I never would. When these 4 kitens came into foster care, they neded a home for 2 of them...I got to choose. I picked the 2 tabbies.After I had them 2 weeks, I noticed Ki had 2 huge nodes in his neck. We treated that, and tested him...Surprise. I was shocked and frightened. I'm not sure I would have volontarity done this. I have 3 FIV cats. One of them is diabetic, one has stomatitis. I have another with severe stomatitis, and one asthmatic. I go from day to day. Life is a gift. When I take a furkid, it is a commitment for better or worse, in sickness and in health so to speak. You cn't throw them away because they are not pefect. I have been truly blessed by my fur-family Dede (who is sorry for the chit chat) --- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And thank you. When I lost Serenity, I felt like the floor opened me up and swallowed me. Like I said, I had only had her 5 months, and my vet and his wife (who have several felv+ cats, and Dr. Smith is constantly doing research, even @ 73 yrs.) warned me that when she becomes symptomatic, she could go very fast, it just depends. I was s glad they were there for me. Felv+, I have been told, can kill a cat so many different ways... Or, their body can go, but the mind is sharp as a tack. I have a good client that has only had felv+ cats, his limit is 3. The reason being, 4 is an unlucky number for him, if he has 3 and gets a 4th, one dies really soon afterwards. He is an international pilot for UPS, and has been for 25+ yrs. (cha ching$) He is down to one felv+ cat, and he has sworn off. Ever seen a very big, macho Texas man cry like a baby while holding his cat @ the vet's? Not pretty. The good thing is, he only has been working 10 days per month (10 days on, 20 days off), and when Chairman Meow leaves him, he plans to work more and donate a lot more money. In otherwords, he has been just working his minimum to be w/ his cats, but once they are all gone, he will fly more and of course, have more money. Right now he is a very big donor, always there for my project kitties. When he retires in a few years, he really hopes to start a sanctuary, and he will have a lot of people to help him. I don't know, I have always said that, it takes a very special purrson to have a felv+ cat, unconditional love, also.. LOTS of people are even afraid of them. I recently had 2 people over on separate occasions that would not even enter my felv+ room, they just looked through the door. They were really afraid of taking it home to their cats. I understand that it is a very delicate virus I just call them my little bubble kitties. :)... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Ki is an Angel Thanks Susan. I know you are right. One can only take so much exposure to Corona when your immune system is not so great. I just don't get why some get it and some don't. I suppose if I could answer that, I'd get the Pulitzer. I will always wonder, though, if I had isolated him with a smaller number of catsOh well, I will never know. And here i was worried that he'd infect someone. They are so fragile. Sorry about your little one, too. Ki came to me in July, too. He was only 12 wks old. It just takes time, I guess. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 === message truncated === When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17
Re: Ki is an Angel
Thank you for the thoughts Gloria. It means a lot. Dede --- Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede, I am So.o.o sorry that you're baby has gone on to the Bridge. I know he's still with you in many ways, what a blessing. My thoughts are with you and Ki. Gloria It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. ... When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
Caroline, I hate that you are going through this emotional abuse. It's hard enough to be so concerned about Monkee (love the spelling BTW), and have people acting like they don't give a *%$. It is so very hard to make these decisions, but like you said, Not until he's ready Stick with your gut feelings. I always say in times like this...I want no regrets, and you don't want any either. Bless you both in your decision. Be firm, and feel good about what you are doing. Dede --- Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - There's been a lot of developments today, which have had me crying at my desk here at work (never a good thing!). I'll try not to bore you all with the minute details, but I have now had two bad conversations with Dr. Jones from The Cat Clinic. Monkee is out of his appetite stimulant and I called at The Cat Clinic today to see if I could pick it up there. They put Dr. Jones on the phone and he said he got a report today from Dr. Daley and she is basing her poor prognosis for Monkee on the fact that he now has lymph nodes in his abdomen that are enlarged. Dr. Jones said that, based on that, he agrees with Dr. Daley and that he would just treat Monkee palliatively. He said the transfusion would wear off and we need to plan accordingly. Basically, he and Dr. Daley are standing firm that the prognosis for Monkee is bleak. I was so frustrated, disheartened and angry, and what makes those feelings even worse for me, is Monkee's condition, which, even before the transfusion, was not too bad! I made a decision and I sent a long email to Dr. Maier detailing my conversations with Drs. Daley and Jones, their decisions to just drop off medications, etc. I told her that Monkee had a bad day on Saturday where he was lethargic and seemed really tired, but it was not anything extreme or different from his pre-transfusion lethargy. I thought he was starting to go down from the transfusion already wearing off. However, on Sunday, he had a really good day and he was bright-eyed, active, talkative and seemed really happy and in no pain or distress. So I flat-out told Dr. Maier that I was frustrated with Drs. Daley and Jones' poor prognosis and no hope outlook for Monkee because at this point, even before Monkee's transfusion last week, I don't yet have a cat in dire distress on my hands. Yes, he's down a little and I know we are a fighting likely a losing battle, but Monkee just doesn't seem ready yet! I told her I would like Monkee to treat with someone who has a more positive attitude towards his care, and even if it's going to be palliative care, I want it to be positive palliative care. I asked her for her continued help and assistance and if I could bring Monkee out to see her again this week, especially since the transfusion is going to wear off and by no means do I want Monkee to get into a situation where he crashes due to that. He currently has no follow-ups with Daley or Jones and at this point, I told Dr. Maier that I am a little more than ambivalent about continuing Monkee's care with either of them. I told her I didn't know if they are unhappy with me as a client for not totally accepting their difficult-to-decipher prognosis and/or the fact that I went to a Holistic Vet for a second/additional opinion. I don't know if I ruffled feathers or something, but at this point, I don't care! I told her I just want Monkee to be taken care of and kept happy. Dr. Maier immediately sent back a reply email that I found surprisingly candid. She said she felt bad that his Drs. are giving me such a hard time and that she'd be happy to see Monkee this week. She said she doesn't have much experience with Epogen in the past (and I am not married to the Epogen by far, I just couldn't understand why Monkee treated with it for one week and then, Dr. Daley was like, well it didn't work- when everyone says it needs more than one week/one dose to work!)- WHICH Dr. Maier said the same thing about it! She said she doesn't see any reason to give up prematurely. She also said that she's worked with other Dr. Jones patients and the whole Holistic thing has never been a problem with him (so that is good to know b/c I do like Dr. Jones as vet and would like to return to him at some point, maybe with another pet, but for Monkee, it's time to move on). Generally, Dr. Maier makes me feel better, so that is the route Monkee and I are going to go for now. We maybe heading into the end game, I am capable of recognizing that, but I am certainly not putting that cat down until he's ready and I just want to be treating with someone who supports that decision and I feel that I am now. But it's been a bumpy ride getting there! -Caroline - From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues Date: Mon, 2
Re: Ki is an Angel
Thank You Jane. It has been a hard few days. I just hope all my other guys are OK. I tried to be so clean with the litterboxes. Honestly though, between the FELV and his lousy beginning, he probably had the virus, and his immune system couldn't fight it off. FIP is such a @#$%*. Dede --- Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede I am so sorry. I was hoping that when I turned this computer on that there would be some good news about Ki. He was lucky to have found you. I hope you can find comfort in the good times you shared and knowing that he finally felt loved and cared for. You fought for him until the very end, and he knew that. His angels are with you. Jane On Jun 30, 2007, at 1:09 PM, dede hicken wrote: It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 ___ _ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
Re: Ki is an Angel
Thanks for your thoughts Elizabeth. You are NOT a nut case. I've never seen, but I have felt, and I believe. Dede --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede, I know I'm a nut burger with special sauce...but I still see Mama Kitty standing at the door looking at me with her sweet self. She sits by me on the porch like she always did. It's been a few months - I still cry. I don't think anyone could convince me that those dear ones don't have a soul and a spirit. They care about us. They live on in our hearts...and on a clear day - you can see them. Please annoy Chi and give him a big hug from Auntie beth :0) more hugs and love to you, elizabeth in alabama, phelix, tori, tiffany, othello, antonio, lexie, and shakiti On 6/30/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Cassandra. No problem with the crying. I let Ki's brother Chi out into the main house today. He is running around and being obnoxious. I keep grabbing him to hug, and he gets annoyed!! They are almost alike except Ki had more white on his front paws and a white muzzle...both beautiful tabby boys with white feet. I don't know for certain either, but logically, if you believe all things have spirit, it makes sense that they live on as we will. that is a comforting thought about now. Dede --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede, i'm so sorry that Ki has passed. It is these days that are the hardest to get through. When Tomi left me, I alternated between not being able to believe he was gone, and feeling like he's been gone forever. It hurts so much, but try to think of him often, and allow yourself to cry as much as you need to. Though i'm not always sure, I try to believe that their spirits live on, and something happened with Tomi that makes me a little more certain that perhaps their spirits do persist. A few hours after Tomi died, I leaned over to kiss his forehead. In that exact moment, when I opened my eyes and looked at him, there was a rainbow across his face. I have a kitty ornament in the window that my dad gave me years ago, and the sun was reflecting through it in such a way at that exact time, that it shone on his face in a rainbow of color. Could it have been a coincidence? I suppose so, but that is sure a crazy coincidence if that's all it was. Maybe Tomi and Ki are introducing themselves to each other right now, and telling each other all about us. Cassandra - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM Subject: Ki is an Angel It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. === message truncated === When you are in the service of your fellow beings
Re: goodbye.
What is going on here? I didn't even know there were 2 lists. So many hot headed folks lately. I know I am fairly new, but You all helped me an awful lot with KI. Just the support alone meant so much. Gloria, I am pretty good with the mouth thing...have a diabetic, too, unless you are already involved with a list for that. Dede --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MC -- you hard headed woman ... get yourself back on here before I have to come up there with a big can of you know what!.. elizabeth in alabama...phelix, antonio,tiffy, alexsis, tori, shaktit,othello... On 7/1/07, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed, I feel very sad about this - MC has been a wonderful member for quite a while, and a wealth of good information. We've had a great group for so long. There are many times that we need to be gentle with each other. Need to remember that all we see here are typed messages, and there's lots more going on with each one than that. But I'm glad you're here and think things will settle down. Glad to hear about MeME. I have a sick Li Won (mouth), Toby (mouth), Rufus(diabetes) and Hambone(uri and whatever) - none are FELV however. Wondering what you did for the stomatitis...? Gloria - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jane Lyons To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:34 PM Subject: Re: goodbye. I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new person (me) it is very sad since I've come to rely on this list as a lifeline for my Felv positive cat. I use two vets, one of them well known nationally, and neither of them have the knowledge and experience that you guys (collectively) have of Feline Leukemia. This is a priceless resource, especially for people like myself, who come here shell shocked and need to hear the reality from the frontline, not theory nor statistics. My little cat, who came from an over burdened colony situation, having been thrown on their porch from a moving car, is so much better and it is largely the result of the information that I got here. Also, I was so grateful to be able to express the grief and fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people who really loved their cats, and who would (hopefully) understand. It must be difficult repeating the same information over and over again, and having to adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction, but if the bottom line is helping cats, your time is not in vain. I came here four weeks ago with a kitten suffering from giardia, stomatitis, very badly swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose, diarrhea and very poor appetite. I am happy to report we now have formed stools, no swollen glands, an occasional sneeze and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The stomatitis seems to be healed on the bottom of her mouth, although the top is still red, but not as inflamed as it had been. For the first time in her little life she seems comfortable and very content. I hope things here can be worked out. We are very grateful to all of you. Jane (and a much improved MeMe) When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/
Re: OT: Re: mouth and diabetes -Dede - (was goodbye.)
OK, this is NOT about FELV, so I will respond to Gloria privately. Dede --- Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope - I've a little exp with diabetic, but not must. For the mouth - one got a dex shot (19 yr old siamese) as depo can be hard on the kidneys. I'm going to find my colostrum or lactoferrin and try that. The other mouth one had a depo shot, but not as effective as last time. Giving him vitamins. The diabetic - vet prescribed Lantus. And Science Diet W/D. Seems better after just a weekend of W/D. I won't start the Lantus till Monday, when the vet office is open (just in case). Am somewhat concerned about it hmmm. Gloria At 05:21 PM 7/1/2007, you wrote: What is going on here? I didn't even know there were 2 lists. So many hot headed folks lately. I know I am fairly new, but You all helped me an awful lot with KI. Just the support alone meant so much. Gloria, I am pretty good with the mouth thing...have a diabetic, too, unless you are already involved with a list for that. Dede --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MC -- you hard headed woman ... get yourself back on here before I have to come up there with a big can of you know what!.. elizabeth in alabama...phelix, antonio,tiffy, alexsis, tori, shaktit,othello... On 7/1/07, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed, I feel very sad about this - MC has been a wonderful member for quite a while, and a wealth of good information. We've had a great group for so long. There are many times that we need to be gentle with each other. Need to remember that all we see here are typed messages, and there's lots more going on with each one than that. But I'm glad you're here and think things will settle down. Glad to hear about MeME. I have a sick Li Won (mouth), Toby (mouth), Rufus(diabetes) and Hambone(uri and whatever) - none are FELV however. Wondering what you did for the stomatitis...? Gloria - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jane Lyons To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:34 PM Subject: Re: goodbye. I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new person (me) it is very sad since I've come to rely on this list as a lifeline for my Felv positive cat. I use two vets, one of them well known nationally, and neither of them have the knowledge and experience that you guys (collectively) have of Feline Leukemia. This is a priceless resource, especially for people like myself, who come here shell shocked and need to hear the reality from the frontline, not theory nor statistics. My little cat, who came from an over burdened colony situation, having been thrown on their porch from a moving car, is so much better and it is largely the result of the information that I got here. Also, I was so grateful to be able to express the grief and fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people who really loved their cats, and who would (hopefully) understand. It must be difficult repeating the same information over and over again, and having to adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction, but if the bottom line is helping cats, your time is not in vain. I came here four weeks ago with a kitten suffering from giardia, stomatitis, very badly swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose, diarrhea and very poor appetite. I am happy to report we now have formed stools, no swollen glands, an occasional sneeze and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The stomatitis seems to be healed on the bottom of her mouth, although the top is still red, but not as inflamed as it had been. For the first time in her little life she seems comfortable and very content. I hope things here can be worked out. We are very grateful to all of you. Jane (and a much improved MeMe) When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains.
Re: Ki is an Angel
I can't remember if I wrote to thank you for your comments. You are right, of course, and we difinately loved him. Thanks, Dede --- MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you gave him exactly what he needed to be able to go on to the next stage of his journey. if you believe there's a plan, you have to know that all happens as it is meant to--even when our hearts feel broken by the fulfillment. love one another. for ki, you made that real. that's all that really matters. GLOW to guide his way home, and to heal your hearts. MC On 6/30/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
Ki
---I think we are really in trouble here. His whole breathing patern has changed. I've never seen it before, but I think he has fluid in his belly. I am scared to death. It is Sat, and we are in such a rural area. If I have to sit here tomorrow and watch him die, it would kill me. I am just sick at heart. He still has the fever. I haven't even given him the IR, and I'm now sure it would do any good. Bless my little guy. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
Re: Ki
Gloria, as we speak, I am on hold with the vet. I will have to do something today... Am on my way, keep us in your prayes. Dede and Ki --- Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'l keep you in my thoughts also, Dede. I notice you say you're in a rural area - is there any possibility of getting him to a vet? He may have fluid in his chest that could be drawn off with a needle. It makes them more comfortable. just a possibility, but something I always check into when my FELV kitties have breathing problems. Gloria On Jun 30, 2007, at 6:54 AM, dede hicken wrote: ---I think we are really in trouble here. His whole breathing patern has changed. I've never seen it before, but I think he has fluid in his belly. I am scared to death. It is Sat, and we are in such a rural area. If I have to sit here tomorrow and watch him die, it would kill me. I am just sick at heart. He still has the fever. I haven't even given him the IR, and I'm now sure it would do any good. Bless my little guy. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 __ __ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php
Ki is an Angel
It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
Re: Ki is an Angel
Thank you Marilyn and Leslie. Dede --- Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bless you for all the love you gave Ki. When you are considering all the what ifs as we all do, consider what if you had never come into his life and how wonderful you made his life. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM Subject: Ki is an Angel It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265
Re: Ki is an Angel
Thanks Susan. I know you are right. One can only take so much exposure to Corona when your immune system is not so great. I just don't get why some get it and some don't. I suppose if I could answer that, I'd get the Pulitzer. I will always wonder, though, if I had isolated him with a smaller number of catsOh well, I will never know. And here i was worried that he'd infect someone. They are so fragile. Sorry about your little one, too. Ki came to me in July, too. He was only 12 wks old. It just takes time, I guess. Dede --- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede, Please do not blame yourself for Ki's death, life happens and stress is a big part of that. It is not avoidable. I understand how you feel though. My Serenity came to me last July from a Frankenbreeder situation, and she was afraid of her own shadow. She had never seen a toy before, and she stuck to Princess Naughty Lola like glue. They came from the same House of Squalor. :( Everyday she began to trust me more, and nothing warmed my heart more than hearing her begin to bat her toys around, espeically in the middle of the night. :) And watching her devour her food, trying new ones, when before she barely was fed enough to sustain herself. Chronic URI and severe ringworm also was in the mix. (Just like w/ Pugsley). However, she also came to me unspayed, and since she was a cruelty confiscation being housed @ our local pound, spaying her was a must. Once she was spayed, it was just a few weeks before her wet FIP symptoms began to show up. I still blame myself to this day, I only had her 5 months but she really grabbed my heart (as tiny and coal black as it may be) and squeezed it very hard. Watching her go downhill literally tore me up. I have heard, though, letting a felv+ cat continously go into heat is actually more stressful than spaying them. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM Subject: Ki is an Angel It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
Re: Ki is an Angel
Thanks Cassandra. No problem with the crying. I let Ki's brother Chi out into the main house today. He is running around and being obnoxious. I keep grabbing him to hug, and he gets annoyed!! They are almost alike except Ki had more white on his front paws and a white muzzle...both beautiful tabby boys with white feet. I don't know for certain either, but logically, if you believe all things have spirit, it makes sense that they live on as we will. that is a comforting thought about now. Dede --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede, i'm so sorry that Ki has passed. It is these days that are the hardest to get through. When Tomi left me, I alternated between not being able to believe he was gone, and feeling like he's been gone forever. It hurts so much, but try to think of him often, and allow yourself to cry as much as you need to. Though i'm not always sure, I try to believe that their spirits live on, and something happened with Tomi that makes me a little more certain that perhaps their spirits do persist. A few hours after Tomi died, I leaned over to kiss his forehead. In that exact moment, when I opened my eyes and looked at him, there was a rainbow across his face. I have a kitty ornament in the window that my dad gave me years ago, and the sun was reflecting through it in such a way at that exact time, that it shone on his face in a rainbow of color. Could it have been a coincidence? I suppose so, but that is sure a crazy coincidence if that's all it was. Maybe Tomi and Ki are introducing themselves to each other right now, and telling each other all about us. Cassandra - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM Subject: Ki is an Angel It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know Ki left this world at 10 this AM. It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that his belly looked really full. The way he was breathing was weird also. You could see his head and chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He even ate a few pieces of food by himself. The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible death. Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever like this last Nov, but recovered, I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He came to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we can all be together forever. May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his care until we meet again. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/880 - Release Date: 6/29/2007 2:15 PM When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
Re: Ki is an Angel
Thanks Wendy. It means a lot to have you say that. Dede --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dede, I am so sorry about Ki. You were wonderful to him; don't regret one minute the things you did for him out of love. He knows you loved him dearly. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: Ki is an Angel
I wish I could say I deliberately did this. I swore I never would. When these 4 kitens came into foster care, they neded a home for 2 of them...I got to choose. I picked the 2 tabbies.After I had them 2 weeks, I noticed Ki had 2 huge nodes in his neck. We treated that, and tested him...Surprise. I was shocked and frightened. I'm not sure I would have volontarity done this. I have 3 FIV cats. One of them is diabetic, one has stomatitis. I have another with severe stomatitis, and one asthmatic. I go from day to day. Life is a gift. When I take a furkid, it is a commitment for better or worse, in sickness and in health so to speak. You cn't throw them away because they are not pefect. I have been truly blessed by my fur-family Dede (who is sorry for the chit chat) --- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And thank you. When I lost Serenity, I felt like the floor opened me up and swallowed me. Like I said, I had only had her 5 months, and my vet and his wife (who have several felv+ cats, and Dr. Smith is constantly doing research, even @ 73 yrs.) warned me that when she becomes symptomatic, she could go very fast, it just depends. I was s glad they were there for me. Felv+, I have been told, can kill a cat so many different ways... Or, their body can go, but the mind is sharp as a tack. I have a good client that has only had felv+ cats, his limit is 3. The reason being, 4 is an unlucky number for him, if he has 3 and gets a 4th, one dies really soon afterwards. He is an international pilot for UPS, and has been for 25+ yrs. (cha ching$) He is down to one felv+ cat, and he has sworn off. Ever seen a very big, macho Texas man cry like a baby while holding his cat @ the vet's? Not pretty. The good thing is, he only has been working 10 days per month (10 days on, 20 days off), and when Chairman Meow leaves him, he plans to work more and donate a lot more money. In otherwords, he has been just working his minimum to be w/ his cats, but once they are all gone, he will fly more and of course, have more money. Right now he is a very big donor, always there for my project kitties. When he retires in a few years, he really hopes to start a sanctuary, and he will have a lot of people to help him. I don't know, I have always said that, it takes a very special purrson to have a felv+ cat, unconditional love, also.. LOTS of people are even afraid of them. I recently had 2 people over on separate occasions that would not even enter my felv+ room, they just looked through the door. They were really afraid of taking it home to their cats. I understand that it is a very delicate virus I just call them my little bubble kitties. :)... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Ki is an Angel Thanks Susan. I know you are right. One can only take so much exposure to Corona when your immune system is not so great. I just don't get why some get it and some don't. I suppose if I could answer that, I'd get the Pulitzer. I will always wonder, though, if I had isolated him with a smaller number of catsOh well, I will never know. And here i was worried that he'd infect someone. They are so fragile. Sorry about your little one, too. Ki came to me in July, too. He was only 12 wks old. It just takes time, I guess. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/
Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp
Laurie, I am facing the exact same thing as you are at the moment except Ki won't eat. The metacam worked for us, but the minute he was off it, the fever started again. The bloodwork should come back today, but i know he is amemic. We tried Clavamox, clindrops, and baytril. We are now on a new thing for me, anyway...delta albaplex. It has pred and a few antibiotics. Fever is still up and down, but doesn't seem to be quite as high when it spikes. I ordered immuno-regulan (sp) from revival. Should be here today. People on this list have recommended it. They can chime in a tell you about it. Needless to say, Iam very fustrated and worried. We adopted Ki at 12 wks old. I just couldn't give him back. I had never had an FeLV cat before...had everything else, it seems. I love him very much, and so want him to make it. Stay on the list, and folks will help you. Dede and Ki --- laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. We rescued a one to two year old cat about 5 weeks ago. She has had a temp anywhere from normal (June 19) to 107 (June 26). Her blood work this week indicates she has a low white blood count and is also anemic. She has no other symptoms (other than recent lethargy) and is still interested in food. We started interferon 7 days on/ 7 days off 2 1/2 weeks ago. Isabella's temp was normal after the 7 days on and 107 after 7 days off. The interferon was started again 3 nights ago and today's temp was 104.2. She has weighed 8.5, 8.4, 8.9 (10 days ago ~ this was also the day her temp was normal). Tuesday, June 26, she weighed 8.8 and today 8.7. She got fluids Tuesday and today (Thursday). We are also giving her feline transfer factor. She was on Clavamox for about a week and then switched to Zeniquin( for about 16 days now) when her temp was 105.5. Discontinued Zeniquin today and started an anti-inflammatory (metacam, I believe) that she will take for 3 days. She is a wonderful companion. Easy to care for. Impeccable manners. Talks and purrs and plays when she feels good. If anyone has suggestions about why the temp and what to do about the temp, WBC and RBC, we would be grateful. Thanks! ps we applied Revolution May 23 and June 23. She reacted with fur on end June 23. Laurie When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp
Sally, what is manapol, what kind of fish oil, and where do you order the Transfactor Factor? Geez, I have 2 cats with stomatitis. Wonder how the IR would do with those? Thanks, Dede --- Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Junior went through this last fall. In addition to antibiotics he also did the immunoregulin. I think that was what got him past the fevers and anemia. He also had gingivitis that the IR took care of. Is he out of the woods no. He is still here and stable. I do the IR monthly as maintenance sub Q. He got the original protocol IV. He also gets Transfer Factor, Manapol, and fish oil. I am hoping he does not have to go back on the metacam. For now he will get a break from it. Good Luck Sally On 6/28/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. We rescued a one to two year old cat about 5 weeks ago. She has had a temp anywhere from normal (June 19) to 107 (June 26). Her blood work this week indicates she has a low white blood count and is also anemic. She has no other symptoms (other than recent lethargy) and is still interested in food. We started interferon 7 days on/ 7 days off 2 1/2 weeks ago. Isabella's temp was normal after the 7 days on and 107 after 7 days off. The interferon was started again 3 nights ago and today's temp was 104.2. She has weighed 8.5, 8.4, 8.9 (10 days ago ~ this was also the day her temp was normal). Tuesday, June 26, she weighed 8.8 and today 8.7. She got fluids Tuesday and today (Thursday). We are also giving her feline transfer factor. She was on Clavamox for about a week and then switched to Zeniquin( for about 16 days now) when her temp was 105.5. Discontinued Zeniquin today and started an anti-inflammatory (metacam, I believe) that she will take for 3 days. She is a wonderful companion. Easy to care for. Impeccable manners. Talks and purrs and plays when she feels good. If anyone has suggestions about why the temp and what to do about the temp, WBC and RBC, we would be grateful. Thanks! ps we applied Revolution May 23 and June 23. She reacted with fur on end June 23. Laurie -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.net/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433
IR issues
Just got my order of IR, and my vet just confirmed the dose. On their package it says to give once a week for 2 weeks, and then once a month for 20 months or until the IFA or ELISA comes back negative??? That is quite a claim. Anyway the tech said i could do IM as well as subQ. Any of you IR users have any comments on this??? Dede and KI When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: Suzie, for visualization
Kelly, she is so regal! She looks likemy Gemini. She is the one I accidently left in Fl. My daughters will fly up with her this fall. I am sorry you are going through all this. With all the cats I have , I know how you feel. Things cn change in a minute. We love them so much, and the pain is so intense at times. We had an FIV cat that we pulled out of severe anemia last spring, and now I am dealing with Ki. I know it can go either way, and there is the knot in the pit of my stomach because I know that. I will do my best, and pray a lot for him and your Susie. God bless, and give you peace, Dede --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is her webpage: http://www.rescuties.org/animals/detail?AnimalID=126269 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
Kelly, I am so sorry. I wish I could say something profound to take away your pain. May God bless you, and Suzie...who is free and happy at this moment. Dede and Ki --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
Kelly, You are right about the stress. We had an owner surrender at our shelter in Fl. He was 5 yrs old, and had never known anyone else. He just sat on top of a cabinet and literally tried to starve. We took him home, and he is OK except for severe stomatitis. Clearly, it can affect the immune system. The other issue we ran into last year was Panleuk. It was a virulent strain. 100's of cats died in good shelters. In each case, a rescue cat brought it in. It was the worst esperience of my life, burying 40+ cats from this one group. It broke my heart. I know your funds are shot, but a necropsy with a tox screen might help you. Dede and Ki --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking, Hideyo. Stress can bring on FIP, right? We have Joey, who was 10, and an owner surrender. We have Lucky Lady, who is 12 and was an owner surrender and I don't think will live much longer. We have Caroline, who is 5 and an owner surrender. We have Suzie, who was 5 and a stray, but from how affectionate she was and the fact she was spayed already, she was clearly someone's cat. I think it is some kind of stress related illness. I don't think it is bleach or cleaning stuff or asbestos. I think something is stressing these cats badly enough to kill them. I tried to save too many and I'm killing them instead. I do have another old cat who seems ok..but he came from outside...and he is just happy to have a warm place to sleep. The kittens are all ok, except for conjunctivitis.. I just don't know... On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand - I agree with you - it seems very very unusal - after you mentioned her age, I was skeptical of the idea that she had FIP -are you thinking of doing any further findings to see what caused her illness? - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:44 AM *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge I just really didn't think she had FIP...she was just 5... On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelley - I am so sorry - it's just so sad - I wish you could have been there with her, too. Please know that she is no longer in pain and free from the body which did not allow her to do all the things she wanted to do -- now she is free - nothing is going to prevent her from being happy and healthy again. Much love to you and Angel Suzie. hideyo - Original Message - *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:37 AM *Subject:* Suzie crossed the bridge She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats much. She was positive for FIP. Dr Samon euthanized her this morning. I wish I had been there, but they said she was comatose.. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
Re: need advice quick
Thank you, Wendy. His fever keeps going up and down, but not down enough. The IR should be here tomorrow, and so should the blood test results. He is still not eating, but I am feeding him the liver shake. Between that, and the fluids he is nicely hydrated. She also put him on linotinic. I am trying to keep him cool, by sponging, and a fan. Wish I had a cooling blanket. He doesn't seem any worse, infact, he is moving around more. --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IR dosage for 8 lb. cat is .25 to .5 mL. The generic for IR that Revival Animal has is EqStim, I believe. I think you have to get Epogen through your vet, but not sure on that. It goes under several names (Procrit, etc.) :) Wendy --- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got back from the vet. She put him on Delta Albaplex. It has several antibiotics and prednisolone. We are to use it for 5 days. Took blood. She said it looked thin. His gums are OK, but it looks like he is amemic. I called Revival. The IR is only 5ml. How much do you use at a time? Where do you get epogen and how much is it? Vet didn't know about it. She is not optimistic, of course, but is doing her best, I believe. Say a prayer for mylittle guy. Dede and Ki When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469
Re: IR-sub Q???
Wendy, one other thing, my vet said the IR has to be given IV. I heard on the list that youcan do it sub Q. I canNOT do IV. Vet said she had never seen IR work, but like everything else, it depends on the cat and the circumstances. Spud, my FIV had an HCT of 12 in Feb. Treated for toxo, gave linotinic, prednisolone (for severe stomatitis) and niacinamide. His HCT is 22 now. Not perfect, but doable. He eats like a pig now. BTW, m also giving Ki B 12 injections. Can't hurt. Dede --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank goodness for that! I hope that the IR breaks those fevers. I have a good feeling, after witnessing Smokey's situation via Cindy, which was very touch-and-go, that things will be good for Ki too! :) Wendy --- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Wendy. His fever keeps going up and down, but not down enough. The IR should be here tomorrow, and so should the blood test results. He is still not eating, but I am feeding him the liver shake. Between that, and the fluids he is nicely hydrated. She also put him on linotinic. I am trying to keep him cool, by sponging, and a fan. Wish I had a cooling blanket. He doesn't seem any worse, infact, he is moving around more. --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IR dosage for 8 lb. cat is .25 to .5 mL. The generic for IR that Revival Animal has is EqStim, I believe. I think you have to get Epogen through your vet, but not sure on that. It goes under several names (Procrit, etc.) :) Wendy --- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got back from the vet. She put him on Delta Albaplex. It has several antibiotics and prednisolone. We are to use it for 5 days. Took blood. She said it looked thin. His gums are OK, but it looks like he is amemic. I called Revival. The IR is only 5ml. How much do you use at a time? Where do you get epogen and how much is it? Vet didn't know about it. She is not optimistic, of course, but is doing her best, I believe. Say a prayer for mylittle guy. Dede and Ki When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/
Ki's fever is up again
I am so frustrated. I can only give the metacan 3x's a week, and the stuff makes me jittery anyway. His fever goes up and down. I have him laying next to a cold pack right now, and i have sponged him off. His temp is 105.3...again. We have been out of that range for a few days. He won't eat, and i am giving him fluids. Went to the store this AM and will try the famous liver shake. He doesn't look anemic, though, just sick. We are going back to the vets at 2 today, and I told them they need to do blood work...enough of this crap. Anybody know any other way to get a fever down? Please think of us. Dede and Ki When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
Re: Ki's fever is up again
No, it is not. I am going to ask about it. Didn't you have a cat withthis? Did you give the IR when he had it? I know you sid it has kept him from having them, but did it help when he was sick? Is it espensive? Dede --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is IR out of the question? :) Wendy --- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so frustrated. I can only give the metacan 3x's a week, and the stuff makes me jittery anyway. His fever goes up and down. I have him laying next to a cold pack right now, and i have sponged him off. His temp is 105.3...again. We have been out of that range for a few days. He won't eat, and i am giving him fluids. Went to the store this AM and will try the famous liver shake. He doesn't look anemic, though, just sick. We are going back to the vets at 2 today, and I told them they need to do blood work...enough of this crap. Anybody know any other way to get a fever down? Please think of us. Dede and Ki When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: Ki's fever is up again
What is Winstrol? Is it for fever? BTW, I have him down to 103 with sponging his coat, and being by a fan. He is also laying next to a cold pack. He must be comfortable because he hasn't moved. ( and he CAN move whenhe sees that thermometer) He just ate a piece of raw liver!!! (Uck, but to each his own) Dede --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just from my own experience with Smokey. He had high fevers like Ki and the vet started him on Winstrol to help him feel better and IR. I truly believe the IR helped him get over the fevers. I gave it to him subq. I know it says IV but subq has worked so far with him. Cindy Reasoner --- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so frustrated. I can only give the metacan 3x's a week, and the stuff makes me jittery anyway. His fever goes up and down. I have him laying next to a cold pack right now, and i have sponged him off. His temp is 105.3...again. We have been out of that range for a few days. He won't eat, and i am giving him fluids. Went to the store this AM and will try the famous liver shake. He doesn't look anemic, though, just sick. We are going back to the vets at 2 today, and I told them they need to do blood work...enough of this crap. Anybody know any other way to get a fever down? Please think of us. Dede and Ki When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php
Re: Ki's fever is up again
I had mentioned striods to her, but she said it would further weaken his immune system. On another note, you all know we live in rural NY. I cannot drive because of a visual problem. So my neighbor has been helping me to increase his Karma...no kidding. The down side is that if i have to listen to him tell me to put him down (Ki) one more time, I may make the local news. This AM, I finally said to him, Mike, what about your dog in there? He has an old dog on 3 different pain meds, and is skin and bones. He said, i know, i just can't do it. Don't people know about getting an animal THROUGH a crisis? Geez, you don't just kill them because they get sick, you do it when they are very very sick, misserable, and can't get better. Dede and Ki --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a steroid. The vet gave Smokey this because she said it would help him to feel better and to feel like eating. He only got the Winstrol injections every 2 weeks about 3 times. When Smokey first started on the IR he had a fever. We gave him 2 injections per week for about a month and gradually decreased it. Cindy Reasoner --- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is Winstrol? Is it for fever? BTW, I have him down to 103 with sponging his coat, and being by a fan. He is also laying next to a cold pack. He must be comfortable because he hasn't moved. ( and he CAN move whenhe sees that thermometer) He just ate a piece of raw liver!!! (Uck, but to each his own) Dede --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just from my own experience with Smokey. He had high fevers like Ki and the vet started him on Winstrol to help him feel better and IR. I truly believe the IR helped him get over the fevers. I gave it to him subq. I know it says IV but subq has worked so far with him. Cindy Reasoner --- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so frustrated. I can only give the metacan 3x's a week, and the stuff makes me jittery anyway. His fever goes up and down. I have him laying next to a cold pack right now, and i have sponged him off. His temp is 105.3...again. We have been out of that range for a few days. He won't eat, and i am giving him fluids. Went to the store this AM and will try the famous liver shake. He doesn't look anemic, though, just sick. We are going back to the vets at 2 today, and I told them they need to do blood work...enough of this crap. Anybody know any other way to get a fever down? Please think of us. Dede and Ki When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
need advice quick
Just got back from the vet. She put him on Delta Albaplex. It has several antibiotics and prednisolone. We are to use it for 5 days. Took blood. She said it looked thin. His gums are OK, but it looks like he is amemic. I called Revival. The IR is only 5ml. How much do you use at a time? Where do you get epogen and how much is it? Vet didn't know about it. She is not optimistic, of course, but is doing her best, I believe. Say a prayer for mylittle guy. Dede and Ki When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367
Ki update
Ki seems to be a bit better. He is snacking on dry food. Won't eat wet unless it's raw chicken. Fever got down to 102.8 yesterday, and is back up to 103 this AM. At least he is out of the 104 range. I dunno. He could be a lot worse off as we all know. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda
What sweet and beautiful pictures. They are so close. I am certain they are happy together now. Dede --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cassandra, I'm so very sorry for your loss. Kelley On 6/25/07, C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all so much for your thoughts and prayers. Knowing there are people out there who truly understand and care without having ever met myself or my babies means so much to me. This is a link to a picture I made the first time Tomi was sick, and have since had printed and framed (Tomi is on the left, Kisa on the right): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/FirstSpacetrip5.jpg . Now that they are both gone, I guess it is even more fitting. Here is another pic that I like of them: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/Kissing.jpg Today is still pretty tough for me. I still can hear Tomi's cries at the end, and it is breaking my heart. Everytime I think of it, I just feel like punching something. I felt so useless and terrified for him. I realize I lost my best friend after my husband yesterday. Even if we were to get another kitten or two one day, I don't think i'll ever have as close a bond again as I did with Tomi. I just wish he could have stayed for longer than the 2.5 years I had with him. My house feels so empty now. I can no longer give my little boy a good long hug when I feel upset. Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband. Tomi and I have had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home. My husband was out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day. There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't just leave him there. I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly won me over. I've had a very close bond with him ever since. He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there was a strange noise or person, we often wondered how my husband was able to catch him to bring him home. His tail had been broken at the end at one time too, it sort of looked like a question mark when it was straight up. Tomi quickly came around though and trusted us, though he still always hid when any strangers came to the house. Tomi was the type of loving boy that always acknowledged your presence when you touched him or talked to him...or even looked at him sometimes. He never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him too many hugs/kisses, and never got angry. 3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and had FeLV, I was devastated. I watched him slowly decline for nearly 2 months until he crashed and I was sure he would die. Amazingly he bounced back and gave me another good 8 weeks with him. Except during this time I had to watch Koda and Kisa (Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't get to spend as much time with my Tomi as I would have liked. Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12, Tomi got sick and crashed again with the anemia. He was having a hard time breathing, and again he bounced back. Last week he had a huge appetite, eating everything I gave him, and drank lots of water. Yesterday, he started to crash again. Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave him and still drinking, but his breathing was becoming more labored. Then around noon, he began panting, and I watched him die in a way that will haunt me forever. He was so scared and crying because he couldn't catch his breath. This is absolutely the worse thing i've ever experienced. A huge part of the happiness in my life is now gone. I guess i'll just wander around like a zombie for awhile, and maybe the pain will eventually turn to numbness. Thank you all for the support you've given me through all of this. It looks like this ordeal that has been going on nonstop since March 9 is now over. Cassandra No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/863 - Release Date: 6/23/2007 11:08 AM -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17
Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda
Cassandra, My heart is broken for your losses. I can't imagine your grief. How blessed these special babies were to have had you to love them. I wiah I could say something to help. You are in my thoughts and prayers. Dede --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband. Tomi and I have had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home. My husband was out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day. There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't just leave him there. I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly won me over. I've had a very close bond with him ever since. He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there was a strange noise or person, we often wondered how my husband was able to catch him to bring him home. His tail had been broken at the end at one time too, it sort of looked like a question mark when it was straight up. Tomi quickly came around though and trusted us, though he still always hid when any strangers came to the house. Tomi was the type of loving boy that always acknowledged your presence when you touched him or talked to him...or even looked at him sometimes. He never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him too many hugs/kisses, and never got angry. 3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and had FeLV, I was devastated. I watched him slowly decline for nearly 2 months until he crashed and I was sure he would die. Amazingly he bounced back and gave me another good 8 weeks with him. Except during this time I had to watch Koda and Kisa (Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't get to spend as much time with my Tomi as I would have liked. Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12, Tomi got sick and crashed again with the anemia. He was having a hard time breathing, and again he bounced back. Last week he had a huge appetite, eating everything I gave him, and drank lots of water. Yesterday, he started to crash again. Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave him and still drinking, but his breathing was becoming more labored. Then around noon, he began panting, and I watched him die in a way that will haunt me forever. He was so scared and crying because he couldn't catch his breath. This is absolutely the worse thing i've ever experienced. A huge part of the happiness in my life is now gone. I guess i'll just wander around like a zombie for awhile, and maybe the pain will eventually turn to numbness. Thank you all for the support you've given me through all of this. It looks like this ordeal that has been going on nonstop since March 9 is now over. Cassandra When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php
Re: Ki just got back from vet
Thanks. I have used Metacam before..know it is VERY important to watch the dose. She thought it would help bring his fever down. He is on Baytril, clin. and an immune booster made by standard process. Not eating well, and still has the fever. Dede --- Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede, Be very careful with the metacam and keep an eye out for anything that might suggest kidney problems, it is a dangerous drug and has been known to bring on Chronic Renal Failure. There are several cats on the CRF group I'm on that have had this happen, one recently passed away from it. Not trying to scare you just letting you know. Why is he on the metacam? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: Ki just got back from vet
I take his temp. Since I last posted, Ki ate some RAW chicken. I couldn't believe it. I was desparate, so tried it. It seems as though his tail is fine. It's just this fever and hypersensitivity thing. As I said before, my vet wanted to try the homeopathic immune booster by Standard Process. I hope it works, because if this happens again, I WILL get the IR and do it. This has really wipped the poor guy. Dede --- Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede, How do you know he still has a fever? Do you take his temperature or bring him to the vet to have it taken? I hope the Baytril works. How is his tail? Jane On Jun 22, 2007, at 4:13 PM, cindy reasoner wrote: Dede, I would try the immuno regulin. It helped Smokey with his fevers. Cindy Reasoner --- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. I have used Metacam before..know it is VERY important to watch the dose. She thought it would help bring his fever down. He is on Baytril, clin. and an immune booster made by standard process. Not eating well, and still has the fever. Dede --- Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede, Be very careful with the metacam and keep an eye out for anything that might suggest kidney problems, it is a dangerous drug and has been known to bring on Chronic Renal Failure. There are several cats on the CRF group I'm on that have had this happen, one recently passed away from it. Not trying to scare you just letting you know. Why is he on the metacam? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 ___ _ TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ___ _ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
Re: Ki still has a fever
Thank you Belinda. I am off to the vet with Ki this AM. He still has a fever of 104.5 He did eat a little last nite and this AM, though. So, I am hoping that it it not a big deal. The last time, I had to add clin. to the baytril. So, i gave him a dose last nite. I will hold off on anything today until he sees the vet. My hubby will be here on July 1st. for good. Looking forward to that. Just pray he gets a job soon. These critters cost $ Dede --- Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dede, I just ordered it from here, I've ordered a few things from here and have gotten everything very quickly, their prices are very competitve with other places I've checked. http://www.calvetsupply.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPRODProdID=1252 -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
Ki just got back from vet
-OK, the vet DID have FortiFlora. The girl at the desk is not too smart. She also told me to continue the clin. with the baytril. The other product she sold me was called Feline immune system support by Standard Process. I had asked her about the IR and she said to try something homeopathic first. She also put him on metacam for a few days. The other thing about him I didn't mention is that he is really jumpy, like an overactive startle reflex (which has gotten better in the last few days) Anyone ever see that before? Thanks, Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: Please add Tsunade to CLS
Chelsea, Others on the list can advise you on spreading FeLV, but I just wanted to say how sorry I was for your loss. I remember you when I joined. You will be able to open your heart to another furkid. There are so many waiting to be loved by someone just like you. Dede --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have not been able to keep up with this list much because things have been really chaotic in my life lately. Unfortunately, my sweet kitty Tsunade got very sick about 7 weeks ago. Several vet trips found that she had a huge amount of white bllood cells, so she was put on interfron and vitamins. She had her ups and downs but finally wed June 16 I made the decision to have her put down. She was howling (loud and painful) all night and she could not walk. She could not even hold her head straight. Tsunade was only about a year and a half old. She was my only kitty. I dont know if I will be able to get a kitten later this summer, but if I did could I reuse the cat condo and scratching post Tsunade had? Is there a good way to sterilize the leukemia germs or will I need to throw it away (already threw away water bowls and litter box)? down in the dumps, Chelsea When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Ki still has a fever
Well, the vet is out for the day. This is only the 2nd day of baytril. His fever is 104, and he won't eat. Seems to be drinking, though. He is a stinker to feed. The vet doesn't carry any probiotics. Where cn i get the fortiflora (sp)?.. Any ideas on how to bring the fever down? I have a few meds here. I HATE it when they are sick!!! Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
Ki
Remember i told you all that Ki had a fever last week? They couldn't find a reason why at this time, and put him on Clavamox. He still has his 3rd eyelid showing a bit, and just doesn't seem right. He isn't eating well either. I have called the vet and asked for advice. The fever is still low grade. It sounds to me like we need to change antibiotics. Any ideas? Thanks, Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469
Re: Ki
No idea. The vet changed him to baytril. I looked up his records, and saw that he was on that the last time he did this, which ws in Nov of 06. He seemed to have a sore tail then, and we figured someone bit him. He won't eat, but I will give him some more AD, and do fluids. Hopefully the Baytril will kick in. He just looks so sad, but he is waking around. I am not going to put him back into the general population of cats after this. What a day. At least Whiskers hasn't thrown up since I gave her the Reglan. Worry, worry, worry. Oh well, we all know it could be much worse. Dede --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede, No ideas other than what you've suggested. Fever is not necessarily a bad thing as it's the body's response to fighting infection. Any ideas to if and where he might have infection? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
How is Tomi?
Cassandra, Just wanted you to know I was thinking about you and Tomi. Hope things are going better for you. You are in my thoughts. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: Kisa is gone, thank you all
Kelly, I have never heard anyone admit that before, but i agree with you. I had a really bad time when my mom died, but that hasn't been the case with the rest of my relatives. When Smokey died last summer...I could have died. We were so close, and it hurt so very much. In 2005, when our big orange guy, Ginger died suddenly, I will never forget my husband going in that room and seeing him. I heard him crying, and that was so unlike him. We both really have emotional bonds with these guys. They are so loving, forgiving and faithful. It is a pleasure to be taking care of them. Dede --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:33 PM 6/15/2007, you wrote: Cassandra You have been through so very much and I am hoping with all my heart that Tomi will show signs of improvement, Yes we all understand the pain of loving animals with life threatening illnesses and we understand your grief, i hate to admit this but I did not have the grief when I lost my dad that Ido when I lost one of my sweet babies. Only those here will understand. all my thoughts and hopes and good energy going to you Kelly I just want to thank you all for your many kind words and thoughts regarding Kisa, Koda, and Tomi. This is one of the few places where I feel comfortable sharing how strongly I feel about my babies and how deeply saddened I am by their illnesses. My husband is about the only other person who understands how much our kitties mean to both him and I. Most other people I know don't understand the deep bond one can have with an animal. All your replies have meant much to me, and made me feel better. It is amazing that you have never met my babies or I, and yet can offer so many words of reassurance. I am missing Kisa terribly, as she was so much fun to have around. She was the social one, who interacted with my other cats, grooming and playing. Now I have three kitties left who have nothing at all to do with each other. I think they all miss her. Sadly, I am not having much time to grieve for Kisa, because I believe Tomi is getting sick again. The last few days, he seems to be getting more anemic again, and he vomited tonight. After he vomited, he was panting for a few seconds. I'm also worried that he hasn't grown back the hair on his neck that was shaved 3 months ago for his blood test. It still looks like it did a week after it was shaved. I'm thinking of bringing him into the vet again, even though they wanted to put him to sleep 2 months ago. I was wondering if his hemobartonella may be coming back, and that should be simple enough for them to test for. I am so scared to have to go through this again so soon, and afraid Tomi won't be able to pull off a miracle a second time. I almost feel like we are being punished for something, the way this nightmare seems to be unfolding. Cassandra - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]C J To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Kisa is gone :( Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.16/849 - Release Date: 6/14/2007 12:44 PM When you are in the service
Ki
Just when you are feeling smug...I looked at Ki yesterday, and he just didn't look quite right. Picked him up and he yowled, and tried to bite me. Not like him at all. Took his temp (have 2 bites on my hand to prove it) and it was 106. I couldn't believe it. Gave him some fluids. Another bite. And went to the vet. They are calling it FUO, fever of unknown origin. She gave him something for the fever, and a penecillin shot. He is in a foul mood, but eating well. Still doesn't want to be touched. His gums look good. I wonder if someone bit him, and it is the beginning of an abcess? On the bright side, they are finishing the cat enclosure on Sat...Yippeee!!! Have a nice day, everyone, Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
Re: Thanks for info (was Re: Wallace not eating or drinking either
I am sorry you are both going through this right now.. When Smokey had this disease, I cried a lot. I talked to him all the time so he would know how much i loved him, and how special he was. I think they know. Just as they sense stress, they sense love. You will know through the guidance of friends and vets which course to take. Bless you and give Wallace a head kiss for me. Dede ( His picture is adorable!) he is. They have his picture (with Boo and William) in the waiting room, too. (If you'd like to see it, it's here: http://www.ratemykitten.com/pictures/392/000131996/ ) We won't know what the cancer is until the cytology report comes in, Saturday or Tuesday. BEST case at this point is lymphoma. Right now, both vets (my vet and the sonography specialist vet) think that he has adenocarcinoma in his small intestine, invading into the mesentery. His stomach wall and other sections of the small bowel are also thickening. This is *bad*. Of the two types of tumor, this *is* the operable one, but it's big -- 5cm -- and it's invaded beyond the small intestine. There's a partial blockage of the intestine's lumen, too, which is causing real concern and is probably why he stopped eating. I'm going to go snuggle my kitty and cry now. Thanks so much to everybody, esp. those who gave me the lymphoma information. Looks like it might be a moot point now -- adenocarcinoma is *bad*. Feels weird to be praying that it might be lymphoma -- as I said, the cytology report won't be in for a few days. Advice on enticing a sick kitty to eat is appreciated, but as he doesn't have FeLeuk/FIV, he's off topic. Thank you, though -- everybody here is so generous of spirit, and helpful. -Jean Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news
Re: Kisa is gone :(
I am so very sorry. You read these posts, and hope against all hope that this one will beat the odds. You did all the right things with her, and i know she knew how much she was loved. Peace and blessings to you, Dede --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month after Koda. My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at the end. I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she started eating again a week and a half ago. I suppose it was just too much for her to overcome. The anemia never really did improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale. The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker. I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer. I don't think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end. It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago. Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten. She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all. Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe her. She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to miss her warmth so much. If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight. I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave. Now Kisa will join her there. Cassandra When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
RE: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading.
Wow!! Now THAT was a vent!!! That said i agree with Debbie, but there is something more important at stake here. I personally have found this list to be one of the most caring ones around. You guys were supportive of me during our move, and even offered suggestions. Not one other list was as helpful. No, it didn't have much to do with FeLV (although Ki was the ONLY one who scared the crap out of me during that ordeal. He is doing well, anyway...) but I needed support. I have a CRF kitty, one with FIV and diabetes, one with FIV and stomatitis, one with just stomatitis (just, hah!) and an asthmatic. The others are healthy. But darnit, I was scared. No one likes to think about losing their furkid, and I have lost my share, and will again. Point is, we all need a kind word now and again. And suggestions, too. We may not alwys agree, but hey, they were given from the heart, and we need to be mature enough to take what we want and keep our mouth's shut if we don't like them. The internet brings peoples of all beliefs together...that is what is so facinating about it! One of my best friend is a Pagan. I don't believe in all of it, but I learned about it and was surprised! We are free to take it or leave it And, if you decide to leave it, do it with grace. In friendship, Dede and Ki (and all the rest) --- Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was disturbed by the below message. There is nothing wrong with people believing in certain things. If those things bring them comfort how could it ever be wrong? I read Phaewryns my space blog and it seems to me she is someone who is dealing with a lot of deep issues. She comes across as being a very angry and distrusting person. Take it for what it is worth just someone blowing off steam. It must be a very sad and lonely life if a person doesnt believe strongly in something. Faith is the healing force and there is nothing wrong with saying a prayer. If anything it humbles us enough to make us see what is truly important in our lives. Myself, I would say I wouldnt go to any psychic readings of any type, but thats me. I do believe there are things that are mystical or paranormal, etc , but I have always wondered where those powers come from? Good or Evil? Since I dont know then I choose not to use them., but if someone else finds comfort in it then that is their choice. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. I'm not going to respond to such an awful personal attack. I truly believe in AC and know a number of people who practice it. It has worked for me and it has worked for them. I am sorry it has not worked for you. Perhaps one day. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: HYPERLINK mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 2:05 PM Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the cats in question what they would prefer when death is a serious option. The idea that any of you actually BELIEVE that anyone can psychically communicate with an animal is, to me, ABSURD. I think the animal communication business is a FRAUD taking advantage of people and their love of their pets (and often, their weakened mental status because of desperation and stress). There may actually BE good people out there who REALLY believe they communicate with animals... people who are not frauds, people with good hearts, but out of touch with reality. I'm not saying ALL AC's are just out to make a buck or gain fame, but really, you can't PROVE this stuff exists, and it's proven fact that other humans WILL take advantage when given a chance! Anyone remember snake oil? HELLO?! You know what? This list has of recent had SO MANY emails about animal communication, that it seems to be THE answer to EVERYTHING! I just can't fathom the emotional susceptibility of a person to actually believe in something so FAR OUT THERE and so obviously unable to be proven. And to put an animals LIFE, or the question of PHYSICAL MUTILATION, on the line based on what could just as well be as valid as flipping a coin, well, it's just unfathomable, I just can't
Re: How is Miss Kisa doing today?
I had a very wise vet in Fl who said, Never give up until you try steroids. Fact is, they don't always know what is wrong,even with people. My vet here said she put a cat on methylprednisolone as a last ditch effort, and the cat made it. Who knows why it works, only that it does, and i am sooo happy that things seem to be going well for you all. Blessings to Kisa, Dede --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you. Kisa is improving, slowly but steadily. She still hides under the bed all day, but her breathing has slowed down to pretty much normal while resting. Her gums are pale, but they don't look yellow anymore. Finally, she is bathing herself again, and cleaning up all that stained fur. She is eating fairly decently. I've got her eating liver, a raw chicken puree, and a bit of canned food. She still prefers to lick it off the back of a spoon, but will nibble a bit off a plate as well now. She only seems to eat when we feed her though, the food doesn't get touched when we just leave it with her. Kisa is still very weak. When I bring her into bed with us, she'll sometimes try jumping into the window and not make it. Hopefully her strength will return if she can build up her red blood cells again. I'm not sure if she still has the liver problem and the Dexamethasone is just making her feel well enough to eat, or if somehow the problem is clearing up. Time will tell. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:20 PM Subject: How is Miss Kisa doing today? Hey Cassandra, Just wondering how Kisa is doing today? I hope she is stronger and fighting the hemo really well. Best wishes to her and prayers still going out for you both. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.7/830 - Release Date: 6/3/2007 12:47 PM When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
Re: Caroline still not eating or drinking
Kelly, I went through this with 2 cats this winter. Both had infections. i force fed them with AD, and softened dry food. The vet said that would give them fiber. I can't tell you why they started eating...they just did. it was almost a month of forcing them. It was hell there for awhile. I had to literally wrap both of them like mummies. Spud was the worst. I still have the scars to prove it!! I found with him that if i could get a little down him, he would eat some on his own. Best of luck to you both, Dede --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr. Samon says physically there is no reason she can't eat or drink. I'm giving her subq fluids, which is the easy part, but it is difficult to impossible to get food down her. She hides behind the toilet, turns her head away, etc. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
Re: Update on Kisa
Cassandra, my vet gave me liquid doxy for one of my cats. It ws the 1st time I had ever seen it. The problem is that it has a very short shelf life. dede --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These pills come in a gelcap already. The problem is, she squirms and moves her tongue around like crazy, so I have to try avoiding the tongue and getting the pill right to the back of her throat, or else she bites it. Once she bites it, she foams at the mouth like crazy, so it must taste really bad. I think the vet techs were having a heck of a time giving her pills too when she was there. I am trying to coat it in butter, but cat food juice sounds good too. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Update on Kisa I find that the easiest way is to cut the tablet up put it in a small gelcap. Then roll the gelcap in cat food juices. Makes it slippery tastes good so they swallow! Not like sticking a nasty pill in that sticks someplace in the mouth to be spit out later on. Pam C J wrote: Yes i'm giving her doxy, but she's one heck of a tough kitty to give pills to. Tomi is way easier to give pills. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: Re: Update on Kisa Cassandra, I hope she is still getting the doxy otherwise your only prolonging the inevitable, hemo does not go away on its own. If her anemia is because od hemo she needs the doxy to live. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
Re: Skidboot video
Thanks, Nina. What a beautiful story. It makes you relize how special God's creatures are. People think they are just animals but they are so much more. I think of Kisa and how hard she is trying to live, and the people helping her... It is just special. I think animals realize more about life than most people do. Duke agrees with me. He keeps nipping my arm! Enough philosophising! I hope all have a blessed day! Dede --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a video that had me in happy tears, something I know we could all use: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
Re: outdoor enclosures
Jane, please email me off line, and maybe we can exchange #'s. We are building another enclosure again since this move. We have gotten pretty good at it, and can help you do it yourself, or direct a fence man on how to help you. Dede --- Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions, but hopefully we can get the newness of this diagnosis and all the issues it raises on the right path ... Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for cats that works well. Again, I Googled the category and there are hundreds of choices. I was hoping someone might have experience with a design or quality that works. I suspect that MeMe was at one time in her young life on her own because she can climb trees better than squirrels and seems to know her way around the terrain. I need an enclosure that will allow her some measure of freedom and activity. I appreciate any information or leads someone might have. Jane When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
Re: outdoor enclosures
Yeah, the mesh was great in Fl. I even brought some with me. Guess what? It doesn't work in NY...sigh. We were told by a large cat sanctuary (Peace Plantation) to use 1x2 galvanized welded rabbit wire. He showed us what 2 winters did to the mesh. They had spent $6,500 on it and it bombed. The stupid manufacturer said It's not for commercial use Well duh, if it works, it works. Zip ties don't work here either. It's very hard to describe what we've done now by writing. I can tell you that in Fl. we got a 10x10 enclosure from Ace Hardware and covered it using mesh and zip ties. Some folks use fish line. You have to adapt the door so they can't get through. a chain link fence guy can do that for you. We will be using Kittywalk to connect the 2 enclosures we will have here. Dede --- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have what I call a catiary cause it looks like an aviary. It was built at the same time as my deck so it could be incorporated into the plan. It's between a wing of the deck the house goes from ground level to roof level of single story house. The floor is concrete for cleaning - a lockable screen door goes to the yard the walls are 4 PVC coated mesh that is exactly what BestFriends uses in their outdoor rooms. It's VERY strong does not cut down on light as does most of the regular, weaker, tearable mesh screen. Inside there are shelves at staggered heights for sunning romping. I scrounded a tall thick tree branch a really crookedy one that are propped in one corner for climbing scratching. The roof is that coorrugated plastic. I keep one or two litter boxes out there. The cats have access to the catiary from a cat door from the screened porch access to the screened porch from a cat door into the kitchen. Works great. In cold weather they can go out there without letting the cold into the house. I looked at enclosures on the web found that utterly boring. I think the best ones are the ones that the people design themselves. Y ou .should be able to get a handyman to build it. The man who built mine along with the deck got a huge kick out of it. Said he'd never had a cat room on his resume before! Pam Jane Lyons wrote: I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions, but hopefully we can get the newness of this diagnosis and all the issues it raises on the right path ... Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for cats that works well. Again, I Googled the category and there are hundreds of choices. I was hoping someone might have experience with a design or quality that works. I suspect that MeMe was at one time in her young life on her own because she can climb trees better than squirrels and seems to know her way around the terrain. I need an enclosure that will allow her some measure of freedom and activity. I appreciate any information or leads someone might have. Jane When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
Re: outdoor enclosures
OK. The stuff that was used was NOT wire coated with PVC...just plastic coated mesh of some sort. THAT stuff does not work in cold climates. I did see the PVC coated wire at the feed store. It's a bit pricy, but it does work well. Dede --- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The PVC coated wire mesh works fine in Wisconsin fine in Utah. I don't see why it wouldn't work in NY! It's very strong, 4x4 coated wire. Pam dede hicken wrote: Yeah, the mesh was great in Fl. I even brought some with me. Guess what? It doesn't work in NY...sigh. We were told by a large cat sanctuary (Peace Plantation) to use 1x2 galvanized welded rabbit wire. He showed us what 2 winters did to the mesh. They had spent $6,500 on it and it bombed. The stupid manufacturer said It's not for commercial use Well duh, if it works, it works. Zip ties don't work here either. It's very hard to describe what we've done now by writing. I can tell you that in Fl. we got a 10x10 enclosure from Ace Hardware and covered it using mesh and zip ties. Some folks use fish line. You have to adapt the door so they can't get through. a chain link fence guy can do that for you. We will be using Kittywalk to connect the 2 enclosures we will have here. Dede --- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have what I call a catiary cause it looks like an aviary. It was built at the same time as my deck so it could be incorporated into the plan. It's between a wing of the deck the house goes from ground level to roof level of single story house. The floor is concrete for cleaning - a lockable screen door goes to the yard the walls are 4 PVC coated mesh that is exactly what BestFriends uses in their outdoor rooms. It's VERY strong does not cut down on light as does most of the regular, weaker, tearable mesh screen. Inside there are shelves at staggered heights for sunning romping. I scrounded a tall thick tree branch a really crookedy one that are propped in one corner for climbing scratching. The roof is that coorrugated plastic. I keep one or two litter boxes out there. The cats have access to the catiary from a cat door from the screened porch access to the screened porch from a cat door into the kitchen. Works great. In cold weather they can go out there without letting the cold into the house. I looked at enclosures on the web found that utterly boring. I think the best ones are the ones that the people design themselves. Y ou .should be able to get a handyman to build it. The man who built mine along with the deck got a huge kick out of it. Said he'd never had a cat room on his resume before! Pam Jane Lyons wrote: I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions, but hopefully we can get the newness of this diagnosis and all the issues it raises on the right path ... Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for cats that works well. Again, I Googled the category and there are hundreds of choices. I was hoping someone might have experience with a design or quality that works. I suspect that MeMe was at one time in her young life on her own because she can climb trees better than squirrels and seems to know her way around the terrain. I need an enclosure that will allow her some measure of freedom and activity. I appreciate any information or leads someone might have. Jane When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news
Re: Please add Scamper to the CLS list
So very sorry for your loss. It hurts way too much. Dede --- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam and Marcia,I am so sorry for the loss of your precious Scamper.Hugs to you both. Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please add our cat Scamper of 18 years to the CLS list. He lost his fight with cancer and CRF, he died in my arms. He will go to the rainbow bridge to reunite with his sibling Eli who passed last year of complications form FIV. His memory will be kept alive, so in part he will be be still alive. He will be cremated, and then when my wife passes his ashes will join hers. He was the kitten that did not stay down stairs in the box we made for him. He jumped/climbed up the stairs to our bedroom, jump/climbed up the comforter on our water bed to sleep with us. Whitey Elric Bone, Regis, Luceria, Geo, Saiko, Stumpy, Marely, Eli, Cuddles, Butch, Romeo, Dartanion, Satan, Ni**er, Sasquash, Little Tux, Big Tux, and the too many others, help him at that place of rest, help him to enjoy being healthy and young again. Sam and Marcia - Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
Re: Kelley, how is Caroline doing?
Oh Kelly, I did the same thing. It was like it can't hurt now he is testing + for hemobart and is on doxy. We can only do what we think is best, and hope for the best. God bless you both, Dede --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THey can treat toxo. It is treated with clindamycin (sp?). They haven't tested for it. It has to be sent out to a lab and it takes a while to get the results back apparently. I okayed the treatment since it wouldn't hurt anything and might help. If it is dry FIP or brain cancer, there aren' tany effective treatments for either. On 5/29/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm glad she's improved! I guess the news is better than you expected? Can they treat the toxo? If so, what do they treat it with? Are they waiting on lab results to verify it? Sorry I have so many questions. I'm curious and keep the info. for further reference. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I picked her up at 7:00 am. She seems much improved to me. She is looking around and growling. Still taking nothing by mouth, on fluids and tube feeding. They have narrowed the diagnosis to dry FIP or toxo. Not sure why brain cancer is not in the picture anymore or if they just didnt' write it down. Kelley On 5/28/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Kelley, Just wondering how your baby is doing? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html
Re: Toxo- contagious or no?
Kelly, When Spud was treated, the vet never said anything about transmission to us. Actually, She wasn't certain that is what he had, she just saw some funky cells on a smear that looked like it. We figured that we didn't have anything to lose by treating him with the HCT so low, and the blood in the urine. He did get better, but something is still wrong...I just know it. He is comfortable though, and eating well. He had a past of being outside, so he could have gotten it. I don't know about Caroline's past. I just hope she responds. It is so hard to go through. May you both be blessed, Dede --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one seems to be able to tell me. I researched it some and it seems to come from eating raw meat, such as mice? But Caroline doesn't mouse... -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Gandalf! http://www.firstgiving.com/gandalfkitty I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
I've Thought of killing them...LOL
I'd probably saved myself a lot of money during this move if I'd divided the ones who pee on things...actually ANYTHING...with the ones who don't. Nina, at least you were smart enough to look in the frying pan. I didn't, and threw the butter and eggs in there. How stupid can one be. Ane then there is that burnt onion smell throughout the house...again!!! I don't know the answer to the problem. I just put up with it, and adapt my house. It has made me a better housekeeper. I can't leave anything on the floor or plastic anywhere. It is my choice. That is why we got the new house all linolium (sp?) Then there is the fact that my son truly thinks i am crazy. He swears his kids won't ever darken my door. (as I said before, that's another reason to keep the cats.) Yes, I know it smells like pee sometimes. Come over 1st thing in the AM uninvited and that is what you get. People just want the perfect cat like their kids. You don't always get what you want, do you? So, you throw it away, or do you honor your commitment? Said enuf' Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433
Thinking of Caroline
Just wanted you to know that you both are in my thoughts and prayers this AM. I hope you find positive solutions to Caroline's illness. God bless, Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
Re: Please add Trinket to the CLS
So sorry, Gloria. You did a great thing tking her in. Dede --- Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trinket was a white with black kitty, about 16 yrs, and died quietly last night of kidney failure. When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
We made it!!!
We made it to NY. It has taken this long to iron out all the bugs in my ISP. Getting ready for the trip was the hardest thing I have ever done, but the trip itself was great...well almost. You might know it, but Ki, my FeLV guy got really sick. Couldn't find a vet when i needed one. I really believe now that he was car sick. He is fine now and in with all the other cats. We are still working on all the cat facilities: fencing ets, but it is all coming together. Will talk to you all later. Been a long day. Dede and Ki+ When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html
We're Baaack!!!!
Made it to NY in one piece. What an experience! Ki got car sick, but is now doing fine. Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.
Hey, MaryChristine, how about spaying and neutering Pet Food officials? OK, I can't believe I am thinking this, but does anyone on this list make their own food? I will have to go no mil tomorrow, but i am really considering this. I don't know if i will ever be able to completely do it...I have so many, but hey, it's worth a thought --- TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: www.howl911.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front
Re: firefighters address
Yes, he had tried to open as many cages as he could. All the cats,and puppies were in that area. He had 2 puppies in his arms when the roof came down. They said he was the last man out I am still waiting to find out about Scooter, but probably won't know until Fri. Take care, Dede --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you so much for posting Scott's address. I can't remember if it was this list that I heard this, but someone said that this man had gone back into the fire to open cages and smash windows to give the cats a chance to escape. That's when he was injured. Bless him, bless him. I woke up this morning teary eyed thinking about his bravery. We should all send him our thanks and good wishes! Nina dede hicken wrote: Hey everyone, someone asked for the info on the firefighter who was burned in the Jax HS fire. His name is Capt. Scott Dennis Firestation 50 12701 Beach Blvd. Jacksonville, Fl. 32216. I am not certain of the zip. It is the same one fas for the Humane Soc. so i think it is correct. I will be signing off tonight as I have to pack the computer. I will be back online as soon as we are settled. Keep us in your thoughts on April 21-23rd, as we will be on the road and in NY by then. God bless, Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091 When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367
Re: CLS - Jacksonville FL shelter cats
Tad, I will try to find out. It's real hard right now because the computer and office files were lost. They were having trouble with the backup system that was off site. I know they had people scheduled to adopt, but they had to wait until later on, because of the system being messed up. I can tell you that they did find one cat in the rubble that was alive and fine. The fireman who was back there with the cats was on his way out of the bldg. after they called for everyone to get out, when the roof collapsed. he is a young man (31) and he got out of the hospital today. Dede --- Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do we know for a fact that Scooter, the FeLV+ kitty was gone ?? I heard that some unknown number of animals were in foster homes... I suppose the office files were all lost... But I was hopping that this unlucky kitty got a bit of good luck and was isolated from neg. kitties by being in a foster home... Tad Gina WN wrote: Those poor babies. I looked at every picture and name. Sending my love and prayers to them. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jacksonville FL Humane Society memorial page: http://ucat.us/JacksonvilleMemorial/ Please take a few moments to add them to your thoughts during tomorrow's Candlelight Service. Scooter, one cat shown, was FELV+, most were not (maybe when they rebuild they will have a wing dedicated to Scooter for the FELV+ cats). A couple of dogs were lost as well, from reports at their website, and 5 cats were able to be rescued, I do not know if they are any shown on the memorial page. Please remember, MANY animals that end up in shelters were previously someone's pet, and this tragedy will certainly effect those owners who had to give up their cat to this shelter. This was a no-kill shelter. Sincerely, Phaewryn BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:O'Gwynn;Jenn;Phaewryn;Ms. FN:Jenn Phaewryn O'Gwynn NICKNAME:Phaewryn ORG:Little Cheetah Cat Rescue;operations/field work TITLE:Cat Rescuer NOTE:I rescue cats. I run a small personal rescue operation, all on my own, and out of pocket. Donations appreciated at any time! Paypal donations can be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or send donations via check or money order to Jennifer O'Guin, PO Box 1008, Hardwick VT. 05843 TEL;WORK;VOICE:802-472-8628 TEL;HOME;VOICE:802 472-8628 ADR;WORK:;home office;;Hardwick;VT.;05843;USA LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:home office=0D=0AHardwick, VT. 05843=0D=0AUSA ADR;HOME:;;P.O. Box 1008;Hardwick;Vermont;05843;USA LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:P.O. Box 1008=0D=0AHardwick, Vermont 05843=0D=0AUSA X-WAB-GENDER:1 URL;HOME:http://ucat.us URL;WORK:http://ucat.us/adopt.html BDAY:19750928 EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EMAIL;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] EMAIL;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20070409T031239Z END:VCARD Visit my Tigger Tales http://tiggerwiggins.com/ site! 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail#news in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail#news When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
