Re: help please

2008-06-25 Thread dede hicken
Lynne, I didn't read your message until now.  I hope Snowy feels better this 
AM.  It has been my experience that the older they are, the more misserable 
they feel.  The pain meds should help.  As long as she is eating and drinking, 
I would not worry too much.  I am glad this ordeal is over for both of you.

Snowy is very lucky to have you.
Dede

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--- On Tue, 6/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: help please
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 7:21 PM
 For those of you have had female cats, at what point should
 I be alarmed about their health.  Snowy was spayed today. 
 The vet said all went well.  She seemed very pleased and ok
 on the way home.  Since then she has become very somber,
 with her mouth slightly open and I swear I can hear a
 raspiness in her throat.  She won't even let me touch
 her and has retreated to upstairs.  She has had some drinks
 of water, a lot actually when we first got home.  My vet is
 not available this evening and my only alternative is to
 take her to the emergency clinic which I hate with a
 pasion.  The vet there is a complete jerk.  The fact that
 he couldn't put BooBoo to sleep fast enough has a lot
 to do with it. I just don't know if this is normal
 behaviour for after this kind of surgery or something is
 very wrong.  She looks angry or in pain.  I can't give
 her any pain medication until tomorrow morning.  They gave
 her an injection before we left today. I've put in a
 call to her foster mother hoping she can give me some
 advice but of course the way things go she isn't home.
 
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Re: spaying

2008-06-22 Thread dede hicken
Lynne,  I can undrstand your feelings, especially with what you have gone 
through.  Kelley is right about all she says.

I just finished working at a spay/neuter clinic today...35 cats done 
successfully.  If you use a really safe anesthesia, and the cat is monitored.  
You should really be OK.  Most of the cats we did today had had litters before.

Really, talk to your vet about EVERYTHING they will do, and your concerns  It 
should make you feel better.

Best you you all,
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--- On Sun, 6/22/08, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: spaying
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 6:19 PM
 Hi Lynne,
 
 I would check the contract you have with the agency from
 which you adopted
 her.  It is likely the adoption is conditional on you
 getting her spayed -
 this is why we do not adopt out unspayed animals btw.
 
 Unless there is some severe underlying health issue, which
 the vet should
 have advised you of, it is always healthier for the cat to
 be altered.  It
 reduces or eliminates the chances of certain types of
 cancer, it eliminates
 the chance of unplanned pregnancies, etc.
 
 
 
 On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Lynne
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Here I go again, waffling about neutering my cat.  I
 need some honest
  advice here.  Don't just tell me what I want to
 hear but what I must hear.
 
  I haven't owned too many cats in my life, 3 to be
 exact because they all
  lived very long lives.  Then came BooBoo and all the
 tragedy associated with
  Feline leukemia, FIP etc.  I still say I shouldn't
 have neutered him (age 5)
  and that stress contributed to his very quick demise. 
 My other cats have
  always been neutered before we got them (from the
 humane society.)  Now we
  have Snowy, the 3 and a half year old rescued cat who
 was very ill with
  feline herpes virus.  It caused some scarring in one
 eye and apparently it
  took 2 months in a foster home to get her eyes and
 respiratory tract
  infection treated.  She is seemingly very healthy, the
 vet says she has a
  strong heart.  What I did learn about her though was
 that she did have a
  litter of kittens at one point and they all died.  I
 have read that it can
  be complicated to spay a cat that has had a litter and
 that is why it is
  best to do it at a young age.  I have her scheduled to
 go in this Tuesday
  and I'm petrified.  I would absolutely die if
 something were to happen to
  her.  I worry about the stress and her history of
 Herpes virus.  She's such
  a happy and loving little girl but becomes very
 aggitated over having her
  eyes cleaned daily and being brushed, necessary things
 for a persian.  When
  we got her about two weeks later we discovered she had
 a very horrible
  ingrown nail and took her to the emergency vet to have
 it surgically
  removed.  It was a horrible sight.  She had to be put
 under she was so
  hysterical.  The vet even told us we had a bad kitty
 because I guess she put
  a job on him. From what I can tell she has not gone
 into heat during the
  time we've owned her which is around 4 months now.
  She's an indoor cat but
  is allowed to go outside with us and Lenny for fresh
 air and nature.
  Neither cat is ever let outside without at least one
 of us in the yard with
  them and both stay very close.  It is impossible for
 either one go get out
  of the back yard, but yes, it is possible for an agile
 male to find his way
  in.  Like I mentioned, they both are supervised
 diligently and only let out
  for a short time.  90% of the time they are inside or
 in the screened
  patio.
 
  I know ultimately this is my decision but I would
 truly appreciate any
  thoughts you wonderful people might have on the
 subject.
 
  Many thanks
  Lynne
 
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Re: Taking My Deceased Wife's Name Off the Felvtal List:

2008-06-18 Thread dede hicken
David, so very sorry for your loss. Please accept my sympathy.

God be with you and your furkids,
Dede

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--- On Wed, 6/18/08, Sharon Siders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Subject: Taking My Deceased Wife's Name Off the Felvtal List:
 To: felv felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 1:59 AM
 nbsp;
 Please remove my wife's name from the felvtalk
 e-mailing addresses.
 nbsp;
 My wife passed away about three weeks ago.nbsp; She
 really appreciated being on your e-mail list, but to be
 quite honest with you I just get upset when I receive
 felvtalknbsp;e-mails.nbsp; I still have my two
 little furry feline buddies that are experiencing with me
 the process of grieving.nbsp; I need to
 spend time with them and they need to spend time with
 me.nbsp; I hope you understand and sometime in the
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Re: Hobbs, May 4, 2008

2008-05-07 Thread dede hicken
What a beautiful tribute to you all.  May Hobbs rest in peace.  I know he loves 
you all, and thanks you for a chance at life.

Dede



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--- On Tue, 5/6/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Hobbs, May 4, 2008
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, May 6, 2008, 10:04 PM
 I'm so sorry, Heather.
   tonya
 
 Heather Wienker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am very sad to let everyone know that Hobbs passed
 away Sunday afternoon at 12:48 p.m.

   His caregiver, Jann, woke up Saturday and dashed around
 to replenish suppliesbut when she got home he was
 clearly declining.   She felt he was suffering and made the
 decision on Sunday to cease force feedings as he was
 obviously in pain.   She did keep his mouth moist and tried
 to keep him warm, mostly just allowing him to do whatever he
 wanted or could.   She took a sleeping bag in her spare room
  slept with him Saturday night, and spent Sunday
 morning in her yard with him in the sun, petting and
 consoling him.

   We had been trying to find a vet to come to her home, but
 he ended up passing on his own...which we are grateful for,
 though she fears she allowed him to suffer.   I think had
 we not tried the treatments of this last week, we would be
 wondering if he might have had more time.

   Please add Hobbs to the Candle Light Service, and keep
 Jann and his sister Sissy in your prayers, they were
 two little peas in a pod, as Jann would say. 
 Hobbs was a year old.   I am very thankful to Jann for
 giving Hobbs  Sissy the chance to live the life of
 love that all kitties deserve, regardless of what is in
 their blood.   We found them when, after 20 years in the
 same building on a busy university campus, I moved to a new
 office on the other side of campus.   I was very nervous
 about this decision and kept telling everyone I wished that
 I'd get a sign from God.   Upon moving, I
 had 2 injured feral cats colonies in the first two weeks,
 and also was approached by a new coworker regarding an
 injured cat, who was Hobbs' and Sissy's Mom.   She
 had an eye  ear injury and my heart immediately told
 me I had to help her; we did not know she was a nursing
 Mom.   I had been told she was declawed, and that
 they'd caught her 6 months prior along with a kitten of
 hers
  (negative), she also was not injured then.   Why she was
 put back out unspayed, I will never know unless it was
 because they thought she might have more kittens.   When I
 trapped her, she was not declawed but was positive for
 FELV, FIV, and a nursing Mom.   I really feel that Mama,
 Sissy, Hobbs, Mickey  Sebastian were that sign from
 God I'd sought, as they would either still be out there
 reproducing and likely ill, or would have been put down due
 to testing positive for Leukemia had someone else trapped
 them.

   I set out to find/trap the kittens and found out that 2
 ladies had already found 2 of them, I had to give them the
 news of the Mom' testing status.  Both of their kittens
 were weak double+, but did clear the FIV.   Initially Sissy
 and Hobbs were only FIV+, but they retested positive for
 Leukemia a month later, confirmed by retesting twice.

   I was so upset by all that this Mom kitty had been
 through, and knowing that much of it--including this litter
 of kittens with leukemia, could have been prevented had she
 been spayed...there was no way I could not give them their
 chance.   However, being in a small condo with 10 cats, I
 didn't even have room for another negative cat.   It is
 Hobbs' caretaker, Jann, who gave Hobbs and Sissy the
 chance for life and love that they deserved, and I know
 they could not have had a more loving home.   I am very
 grateful for Jann, and know she is hurting badly right now.

   I want to thank everyone for their kindness, support,
 advice and prayers.   Hobbs was a very special boy, when I
 first took them to Jann's as kittens she said she felt
 an instant connection, she has always told me this.   His
 illness and loss has been very hard for her and she has
 been very appreciative of the support.   Thank you all for
 giving these special kitties love for the time that they
 have here, it means everything in the world for them.

   In Loving Memory of Hobbs,

   Heather


  

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Re: my poor snowy

2008-04-26 Thread dede hicken
Well, they say things happen for a reason. An infected paw wouldn't help 
anything heal.  Glad you found it.  I have a cat who has that happen all the 
time.  He is semi feral, and the vet has to clip his hails.  He is diabetic, 
and i don't mess with that.  Give her extra loves...as if I had to tell you to 
do that!!!

Dede




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--- On Sat, 4/26/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: my poor snowy
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Saturday, April 26, 2008, 8:32 PM
 Well I won't be taking Snowy in for spaying this coming
 week.  I went to clip her nails tonight and noticed that
 there was a big lump on her right paw.  When I touched it
 she meowed so I got her into the emergency vet.  They told
 me I did nothing wrong that this had happened to her over a
 very long period of time.  Her nail had grown into her skin,
 along with hair and they had to put her under and remove it.
  It had grown far into her pad and couldn't be removed
 easily.  I don't get this.  She had seen 2 vets prior
 to our getting her and no one noticed this.  Now the poor
 little thing has to be on antibiotics (Clindamycin) and
 wear one of those horrible hood things so she won't
 lick her paw.  She had a piece taken out of it and
 cauterized.  I am so sorry for what this poor little dear
 has been through in her short life.  I just hope all this
 trauma doesn't cause her herpes virus to resurface. 
 The first thing the vet did when we got her there was to
 squirt eye wash into her eyes and she got all upset.  I
 kind of yelled at him for doing that and asked why.  He
 said she looks like she has allergies and I said
 she's a persian their eyes tear. 
 Fortunately there was a very knowledgeable technician
 present who seemed to know a lot more than this guy did.
 
 Lynne


  

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Re: spaying

2008-04-25 Thread dede hicken
Lynne,

I know how you feel.  Your new little one is healthy.  If you go to a capable 
vet that uses iso for anesthesis, and does monitoring, she'll be fine.  I have 
seen the proceedure done many times.  We waited almost a year to do our Dusty 
because she has a hypoplastic trachia, and asthma.  I was a basket case, but my 
wonderful vet called a specialist, and they used a kitten sized tube to 
intubate her during the surgery.  She is now 10 yrs old...fat and very content.

Good luck and God bless.
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--- On Thu, 4/24/08, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: spaying
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, April 24, 2008, 9:47 PM
 Hi all,
 
 I haven't posted in a while but have been reading all
 the emails.  I guess this is a little off topic but I need
 some reassurance.  This coming Thursday we are taking our
 Snowy in to be spayed.  It was part of the contract I
 signed when we adopted her from the foster mom. She's
 the rescued girl we got after BooBoo died.  She's a 3
 year old persian and I am scared to death about doing this.
  We've had her for about a month and the vet thought it
 a good idea that we wait til she adjusted to us, which took
 about a day.  She had been neglected in the past and had
 basically lived in a cage until she was rescued.  She had
 feline herpes and a respiratory infection when she was
 taken but recovered nicely and was immunized when we got
 her.  I just keep thinking that if we had not had BooBoo
 neutered he may have fared better.  I truly believe that it
 hastened his demise.  I hope I'm wrong about this and
 even though we have always had our cats neutered, I realize
 spaying is a little more complicated.  The vet assured us
 she would be fine but if we lost her I don't think
 we'd ever recover.  She is an amazing precious little
 girl.  We haven't had a younger cat in the house for a
 long time and she is so playful and comes to bed with me
 every night when I go upstairs.  She talks to us all the
 time in these little meows and you can tell she is really
 happy.
 
 The field worker who investigated BooBoo's previous
 owners came by last week to meet her and see how she was
 doing and was amazed at her too.  He commented that we were
 lucky to get her because hundreds of people applied. 
 She's kind of a poster child in this area for abused
 animals.  He also said she was very lucky to have got us,
 which was very nice of him.
 
 Lynne


  

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Re: Please add Inky to CLS

2008-04-24 Thread dede hicken
Kerry, I have been so busy with work etc, that i haven't been reading all my 
mail.  I am truly sorry for your loss.  I personally know how hard it is.  Time 
will heal, but you will never forget.  Be blessed, all of you.

Dede




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--- On Wed, 4/23/08, Sally Flood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Sally Flood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re:  Please add Inky to CLS
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, April 23, 2008, 5:15 PM
 I'm new to the group, but have known the sorrow of
 losing a dear feline friend.  You have my sincere sympathy
 in your loss of Inky.  All cats are special, but some are
 true soul friends.  I think that your soul friend, Inky,
 will let you know when it is time to bring another kitty
 into your heart and home by sending you another little soul
 friend to love.
 
 Another Sally
 
 Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you
 all so much for all the kind words and all the words of
 wisdom over the last few years..I know there must have been
 a big party at the bridge.  Inky was met by his mom, sister
 and all his other relatives that I had over the last 15
 yrs. He was the last of 10 from 3 different litters..
  MC, you couldn't have put it any better to me..Also,
 Gloria, Belinda and Kerry...each of your words will help me
 in many ways.  I do have more kitties...most of which are
 all young.  It's just that Inky was the only house
 kitty.  He shared space with my 2 dogs. (which turn 13 in
 May)  So I am going to wait awhile before I move anyone
 into the house.  I just don't think I could do that
 yet.
  Thanks again,
  Kerry  
   
 
 
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Re: ournewbaby

2008-03-22 Thread dede hicken
It's hard to be patient, isn't it?  You jus' want to
grab 'em and love em'  You are handling it correctly,
though.  Congrats to all of you.

Dede



--- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We met the foster mom of the cat we adopted at the
 vets this morning and now have our new little girl
 home.  She was a rescued cat from this horrible shop
 owner in town.  I was expecting to meet a kind of
 pathetic looking little kitty but to our surprise,
 she's a 9 pound gorgeous white persian with amber
 colored eyes.  She's absolutely beautiful but for
 the moment prefers to be upstairs on her own.  We're
 not forcing ourselves on her but the foster mom says
 she is very affectionate and loves attention.  She
 inspected every inch of the house and will come down
 when she wants to.  We are just so happy to finally
 have her here.  She has never had a real home, just
 a pet store and the foster mom.  
 
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Re: newgirlexpected

2008-03-19 Thread dede hicken
Lynne,
Am so happy for you and you new little one.  When I
was living in Fl, the rescue groups combined to take
in over 50 persians this woman had.  They were all
sick.  It was an awful battle.

God bless you and Snowball.  It WILL make a difference
for you, and it already has for her.

Dede



--- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I got the email I've been waiting for today.  I have
 been trying to adopt this adorable little rescued
 cat, persian, for a couple weeks now.  I have missed
 BooBoo so much and have been through such emotional
 garbage with the previous owners of him that I just
 need another cat to give a good life to.  This cat
 was rescued from a horrible person who had a pet
 shop in town.  The humane society and SPCA went in
 and seized his animals and the City took his
 business licence away.  This cat, (Snowball) was so
 sick, eyes swollen shut from infection, URI and it
 has taken the foster woman a month to get her well. 
 She got final approval from the vet to be let go,
 has got her shots updated and that's that.  She had
 been disgnosed with herpes.  I know, I'm getting
 myself into another potential situation here, but at
 least I know what I have to deal with if an outbreak
 occurs.  The vet was going to have her spayed before
 releasing her but I convinced him that I would do it
 in the near future once she has settled down in her
 new home.  I wish I had never had BooBoo neutered so
 quickly after getting him.  I truly believe it
 triggered his rapid downfall.  
 
 Anyway, I now have the foster mom's personal email
 and we are going to start the process of her coming
 to me.  I am just so happy to be able to look after
 another little lost soul.
 
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Re: Smokey

2008-03-12 Thread dede hicken
Thanks, Tonya.  I have a lot of cats...have lost 4
this year.  It's never easy.  There are some though,
that you have a very special place in your heart for. 
Smokey was one of these.  A short time after Smokey
died, my husband's favorite friend, Moon died
unexpectedly from a pancreatic tumor.  These were 2 of
the guys that slept right next to us.  David said when
he crosses over, he wants to see his dad, and then
Moon and the other guys next!!!  This from a guy it
took me 20 yers to convert to CAT!!

Take care,
Dede



--- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 DeDe,

   I'm so sorry to read about Smokey.  :(

   tonya
   
 
 I told you a bit about Smokey. The morning he died,
 he woke me up as usual nuzling my ear and purring. I
 will never forget that, ever. We too, had just had
 the aspiration done, but he wasn't eating and it was
 so hard for him to breathe at times. We went through
 the same thing at the vet. It seemed the more we did
 the aspirations, the quicker the fluid came back. 
 After he died, the vet looked into his chest. One
 lung was collapsed, and he was full of tumors. He
 had
 to have been unconfortable, and it was time.
 
 Cats are such noble and unselfish beings. You never
 really know how sick they are until they have no
 more
 to give. Console yourself with the fact that Boo was
 really happy until just before the end, and he knew
 true love and devotion from you both. Not many cats
 on this planet can claim that.
 
 God bless you both, and don't worry about BooBoo. He
 is fine, happy and healthy, and waiting for you.
 
 Dede
 
 
 
 
 --- Lynne wrote:
 
  We lost our precious baby tonight. He developed
  difficulty breathing and we rushed him to the
  emergency clinic. He was dehydrated and had just
  had his lungs aspirated Friday. The vet recently
  experienced the same situation with his Himilayan,
  co-incidentally, though I sometimes think they
 make
  stuff up to identify with your pain.
  
  I held his little face in my hand and petted him
 as
  did Bob and he slipped away almost immediately. I
  don't think I've cried this much in my life, Bob
  too. At this moment I can't imagine ever being
  happy again. Sounds stupid but BooBoo conveyed to
  me this evening it was time to go and he thanked
 us.
  He was so very weak he could hardly walk but he
 was
  still purring as we pet him even with the damn
  catheter in. We know this was best for him but the
  worst for us.
  
  Thank you all for being so very supportive.
  
  Lynne
  
 
 
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Re: update: Athena

2008-03-06 Thread dede hicken
When we adopted Ki, his mother and all sibs were neg. 
It wasn't until he developed swollen nodes un his neck
that we had him tested.  He was always a weak pos.  We
then vaccinated all of our other cats.  I did a lot of
research and it seems as though the healthy vaccinated
adult cats are the safest to have a pos cat with.  We
haven't had any problems since Ki's death last June. 
I still have his brother, and he is healthy as a
horse...looks and eats like one too!

Good luck on your decision.  I am not sure I would
ever get a pos cat again.  Between the felv and the
fip, and losing him anyway...it almost killed me. 
However, I would never euth a cat that I had already
owned because of the felv.  I fall in love too
quickly.  I think i would tke a very agressive
approach if this ever happens to me again.

Good luck on your decision.

Dede



--- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Beth, I can understand how frustrated and
 disheartened you are but I would agree about
 bringing in another vaccinated adult cat if any.  My
 Lennie has lived a single life for 19 years and when
 we discovered Boo had Felv we weren't concerned
 because they did not want anything to do with each
 other.  Until Boo came along, we never had more than
 one cat and he likes having us all to ourselves.  I
 honestly don't think they care about companions all
 that much if you give them all the attention.  If
 you really think Athena needs a friend then the
 vaccinated adult would probably be the best bet.  I
 am still so heartbroken at this point I could not
 put myself through what I just went through with
 losing BooBoo again, not this soon anyway.  But that
 may change.  If I were to be offered a vet checked
 cat that tested positive and was really healthy, not
 like my baby, I would probably consider taking it if
 I knew no one else would.  In my case it was the
 horrible shock of not knowing anything about this
 disease until it was far too late.  I still have
 hope for these cats.
 
 Lynne
   - Original Message - 
   From: catatonya 
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:32 PM
   Subject: Re: update: Athena
 
 
   I've bought in both.  And never had any transfer
 of the virus.  I think the important thing is to
 bring in another vaccinated adult, or healthy
 positive adult.
   t
 
   Beth Gouldin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all
 So Athena just re-tested on ELISA a weak
 positive. This is 9 weeks from the first testing
 that we did when we lost Orion to FeLV.nbs p; I
 guess I'm just disheartened... I had REALLY hoped
 (for her sake) that she would be negative - she
 seems so healthy...no major problems or anything...
 and we really wanted to get another cat for a
 companion for her.  My husband and I have talked and
 we just can't bring closure to ourselves to
 intentionally get another FeLV + cat... which means
 pretty much she's gonna stay a single cat. 
 I don't know, in my mind it just seems that it
 would be a perpetually bleak cycle (and I know that
 it's not true simply because of the joy they
 bring..but this is my bummed out- ness coming
 through) to have 'sick' cats that can just die any
 time.   
 Do any of you have experiences bringing in
 another cat?  Do you always elect to get another
 FeLV +? How do kittens generally fare? Our vet
 suggested bringing in a FeLV negative vaccinated
 adult...but I don't want even the SLIGHTEST risk of
 exposing another cat to this.  
 Any feedback would help me out... I'm so
 frustrated with this whole thing.
 Thanks for listening :}
 
 -- 
 Beth Gouldin
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 940.395.5393
 
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Re: BooBoo left us

2008-03-03 Thread dede hicken
Lynn and Bob,

I am so very very sorry for your loss.  Even though
you know it is probably coming, there is still a part
of you that hopes for the impossible.

I told you a bit about Smokey.  The morning he died,
he woke me up as usual nuzling my ear and purring.  I
will never forget that, ever.  We too, had just had
the aspiration done, but he wasn't eating and it was
so hard for him to breathe at times.  We went through
the same thing at the vet.  It seemed the more we did
the aspirations, the quicker the fluid came back. 
After he died, the vet looked into his chest.  One
lung was collapsed, and he was full of tumors.  He had
to have been unconfortable, and it was time.

Cats are such noble and unselfish beings.  You never
really know how sick they are until they have no more
to give.  Console yourself with the fact that Boo was
really happy until just before the end, and he knew
true love and devotion from you both.  Not many cats
on this planet can claim that.

God bless you both, and don't worry about BooBoo.  He
is fine, happy and healthy, and waiting for you.

Dede




--- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We lost our precious baby tonight.  He developed
 difficulty breathing and we rushed him to the
 emergency clinic.  He was dehydrated and had just
 had his lungs aspirated Friday.  The vet recently
 experienced the same situation with his Himilayan,
 co-incidentally, though I sometimes think they make
 stuff up to identify with your pain.
 
 I held his little face in my hand and petted him as
 did Bob and he slipped away almost immediately.  I
 don't think I've cried this much in my life, Bob
 too.  At this moment I can't imagine ever being
 happy again.  Sounds stupid but BooBoo conveyed to
 me this evening it was time to go and he thanked us.
  He was so very weak he could hardly walk but he was
 still purring as we pet him even with the damn
 catheter in.  We know this was best for him but the
 worst for us.
 
 Thank you all for being so very supportive.
 
 Lynne
 


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Re: new hope for Boo

2008-02-29 Thread dede hicken
I came in a little late to all this that BooBoo has
been going through, and I missed
something...obviously.  You got this cat from a
Breeder  And they did NOT give you your money
back??? (Not that it would have helped Boo, but the
gesture would have been nice)

I hope you fry their (   ).  People like this should
be prosacuted for the sake of the cats and the misery
they put the people through.  I hope you are saving
every single receipt.

So glad Boo is feeling better.  I hope both he and you
have a lovely weekend!

Dede 



--- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ah thanks Anita.  We had to rush him in this morning
 a day early because he was breathing through his
 mouth.  Dr. Gill, BooBoo's biggest admirer drew
 another 100 cc from his lungs.  He immediately felt
 better and Dr. Gill handed him over to Bob to take
 home.  As soon as he got home he ate like a little
 horse and now is sleeping.  My husband and I keep
 asking each other if we're sure this is what we want
 to do and we both agree we've made a committment to
 try what's available to us and that's what we're
 going to do.  It will break my heart when our 19
 year old goes but he has lead such a good life and
 still is but poor little BooBoo didn't deserve this
 and it could have easily been prevented by one
 frickin vaccine that a stupid cat breeder neglected
 to do.  I hope the woman who took the 300 bucks from
 us for him uses the money to go out for dinner and
 chokes.  I'm appalled that they know what we're
 going through and didn't at the very least give back
 the money to help us offset his  vet bills.  I'm not
 done with these people.  I'm just too busy with Boo
 at the moment to get really vindictive.
 
 Lynne
   - Original Message - 
   From: Stray Cat Alliance 
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:56 AM
   Subject: RE: new hope for Boo
 
 
   Lynne, my heart truly goes out to you, your
 husband and Boo. What love and compassion you have -
 that is truly worth its weight in gold. Love is the
 best medicine and you obviously have a lot of that!
 I am praying the treatments help Boo.

   Best wishes,
   Anita
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: new hope for Boo
 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:17:18 -0500
 
 
 Well, after bawling a lot last night and
 conferring with my husband while at work today I
 faxed off another letter to my vet letting him know
 that Bob and I would try any treatment that may
 possibly give BooBoo more time on this earth with us
 and I made a couple suggestions.  To my surprise he
 told me I could pick the interferon up tomorrow at
 the pharmacy I deal with and he would start the
 injections Saturday.  The other vet said it would do
 no good at this stage, but BooBoo's primary
 caregiver is more willing to try to help him, that
 is if we wish to go through with it.  I was so
 desparate today I wondered if he could be transfused
 to give him a better shot at battling this and he
 will be transfused next week.  His vet said they
 have a donor for him that is vaccinated yearly.  I
 didn't actually think there would be a live donor
 and was kind of dismayed to think another cat would
 have to do this for us but the vet assured me with
 cats their blood store is totally back to normal in
 a short time.  I even had a pharmacy tech offer her
 Himalayan as a donor.  I truly do not know if this
 will do any good whatsoever but what is there left
 to do.  If new blood and interferon can't help him,
 I honestly believe we can do nothing more.  I asked
 about other drugs too but the vet said he was really
 happy and thankful we're willing to go this far for
 him.  He has 3 cats of his own and does love cats. 
 He told us most positive cats or cats with FIP
 aren't given these chances so this is a first for
 him.  I know he will do everything he can to help
 BooBoo.  He really loves him too..If we can just
 give him a fighting chance here I'll try this
 Transfer Factor stuff that came in the mail today.  
 
 Lynne
 
 

--
   Need to know the score, the latest news, or you
 need your 

Re: new hope for Boo

2008-02-29 Thread dede hicken
I would believe that in most states, the minute you
take money for something, and verify it is healthy or
it works, you are committed to be truthful about it. 
If not, it seems like fraud.

One thing is for sure, Boo would have never gotten the
care you have given him had he stayed there.  Even
with a shorter life, it is better to know love and
have quality in your existence.

You are fortunate that Boo does so well after the
aspirations.  My soul mate, Smokey died from cancer,
and each time we did the aspiration, he'd get a bit
worse...plus he wasn't eating.  It must make you feel
great to see him eating so well.

All the best,
Dede



--- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dede, she was not a registered breeder but just had
 all these Himalayans.  I
 found out about BooBoo being for sale online of all
 places.  The only reason
 I bought him was because he is BooBoo, a cat I had
 got to know well through
 the previous summer and fall as he would come to my
 house all of the time
 and we'd feed, groom and tend to his wounds.  He had
 a little collar on and
 I would put messages on his collar for them to take
 him to the vet because
 of his bloodied ears etc and one time the owner came
 around wanting to know
 if I had him, which I didn't and I lit into her
 about her neglect and
 threatened to take him to the humane society  if she
 didn't keep care of
 him.  She and I aren't exactly buddies.  I dealt
 with her two daughters when
 I bought Boo.  The daughter told me that to her
 knowledge he had been
 vaccinated, I didn't ask for proof of vaccination
 but assumed he had been.
 This is one of those buyer beware situations I
 guess.  I'm convinced now
 they knew he was not well.  After they agreed to
 sell him to me we were not
 able to actually have him for almost 2 weeks.  They
 kept making excuses
 about family wanting to see him, he was asleep with
 the other cats, etc etc.
 I would ask the daughter, is there something wrong
 with him, is he ok and
 she would just laugh it off and say, he's great. 
 Even if I had known he was
 ill I would have taken him.  It's weird but it's
 like this cat was destined
 to be ours.  Once the cold weather came and he
 stayed inside, I would come
 home every day from work and hope that he would come
 out from under the
 trailer in our driveway and I would steal him so
 he'd never have to leave
 again.  It was a dream come true to get him and now
 this.
 
 Lynne
 - Original Message -
 From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:57 PM
 Subject: Re: new hope for Boo
 
 
  I came in a little late to all this that BooBoo
 has
  been going through, and I missed
  something...obviously.  You got this cat from a
  Breeder  And they did NOT give you your money
  back??? (Not that it would have helped Boo, but
 the
  gesture would have been nice)
 
  I hope you fry their (   ).  People like this
 should
  be prosacuted for the sake of the cats and the
 misery
  they put the people through.  I hope you are
 saving
  every single receipt.
 
  So glad Boo is feeling better.  I hope both he and
 you
  have a lovely weekend!
 
  Dede
 
 
 
  --- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Ah thanks Anita.  We had to rush him in this
 morning
   a day early because he was breathing through his
   mouth.  Dr. Gill, BooBoo's biggest admirer drew
   another 100 cc from his lungs.  He immediately
 felt
   better and Dr. Gill handed him over to Bob to
 take
   home.  As soon as he got home he ate like a
 little
   horse and now is sleeping.  My husband and I
 keep
   asking each other if we're sure this is what we
 want
   to do and we both agree we've made a committment
 to
   try what's available to us and that's what we're
   going to do.  It will break my heart when our 19
   year old goes but he has lead such a good life
 and
   still is but poor little BooBoo didn't deserve
 this
   and it could have easily been prevented by one
   frickin vaccine that a stupid cat breeder
 neglected
   to do.  I hope the woman who took the 300 bucks
 from
   us for him uses the money to go out for dinner
 and
   chokes.  I'm appalled that they know what we're
   going through and didn't at the very least give
 back
   the money to help us offset his  vet bills.  I'm
 not
   done with these people.  I'm just too busy with
 Boo
   at the moment to get really vindictive.
  
   Lynne
 - Original Message -
 From: Stray Cat Alliance
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:56 AM
 Subject: RE: new hope for Boo
  
  
 Lynne, my heart truly goes out to you, your
   husband and Boo. What love and compassion you
 have -
   that is truly worth its weight in gold. Love is
 the
   best medicine and you obviously have a lot of
 that!
   I am praying the treatments help Boo.
  
 Best wishes,
 Anita
  
 Every year shelters kill almost 5,000,000
 cats,
   dogs, puppies  kittens

Re: more bad news

2008-02-27 Thread dede hicken
Lynne, I am truly so sorry for things being as they
are.  Those who responded to your post are more than
correct.  There is no test for FIP.  (except the one
Kelly talked about...I dunno) Vets use a titre, and
they add up all the clinical symptoms and guess. 
Almost all cats will test + for the corona virus. 
Even if the former owners did really vaccinate, if the
cat had been exposed, it wouldn't have made any
difference.

We believe, but do not KNOW if that is what got our
precious felv baby Ki last year.  His fluid was in the
addoman, and he already had liver damage.

I am told there is a group for FIP.  Anyone know
anything?  You think vets are negative about felv? 
Just ask about FIP.  I honestly don't know the odds
here, but you are doing everything and more for
BooBoo.  He knows he is loved and is grateful for you
both.  God bless you all.

Dede



--- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well just when you think it can't get any worse it
 does.  BooBoo's cytology came back today and he has
 FIP as well as feline leukemia.  There was no
 bacteria in it. There is nothing left for us to do
 for him.  There was no bacteria in the culture, just
 protein and fibres, because his blood vessels are
 leaky.  The vet says all we can do is make him
 comfortable and at this point it is all about
 quality of life.  He will continue to drain his
 lungs every week to 10 days and keep him on this
 antibiotic until it is finished and only Lasix once
 a day, which I guess does nothing for this lung
 fluid.  If he becomes worse, ie he has to have the
 fluid drained more frequently then we will have to
 do the obvious.  We will put on a good face for our
 dear boy and do everything we can to keep him with
 us as long as we can but it isn't looking too good
 at the moment.  The vet said they had another cat in
 this week that tested positive for FIP but not
 leukemia.  He said BooBoo has been hit with a double
 blow and unfortunately the end is near.  I don't
 know if the Factor stuff will make it here before
 Boo dies but I'm trying to be realistic here now and
 face the inevitable.  My husband and I are horribly
 sad about this but I'm getting angry now at these
 criminals who owned him and lied to me about his
 being healthy and vaccinated.  We have several top
 notch lawyers in our practice who like me a lot and
 would do me a favor if I asked.  I'm seriously
 considering consulting with one of them when this
 tragedy is over.
 
 Lynne
 


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Re: BooBoo is home!!

2008-02-22 Thread dede hicken
Lynn,
I am so happy BooBoo is doing OK. My little Ki who
died in June came from the same kind of place.  I only
had him for a yr, but it was a good year, and he knew
what it was to be loved and wanted.  Forget the past. 
I know there are many people who can help you on this
list.  I was a novice (still am) but I was going to
try the IR on Ki.  I was impressed with the stuff I
read about it.  Go for all you can as long as Boo is
comfortable.  Bless you all.

Dede



--- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Good luck with Boo Boo.  I'm sorry the bloodwork
 doesn't look better.  It sounds like you have a vet
 that knows what they're doing.

   Obviously the previous owners just suck.

   tonya
 
 Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   BooBoo just came home from his neutering. 
 He had no trouble whatsoever with the anesthesia,
 has eaten, had a drink and can't stop purring.  He's
 really happy to be home.  The vet went over his
 blood work with us and told us it didn't look good. 
 He's already anemic.  I was so hoping for some good
 news.  He's checking into some drugs for the future
 if needed and we choose to go that route.  He said
 they are very expensive.  This whole experience has
 sucked the life out of me.  I look at this precious
 little guy and he has absolutely no signs of a
 disease yet I know he does.  I am so angry with his
 previous owners right now.  They emailed me last
 week when I told them the news and they pretty much
 suggested that we gave him this disease because he
 was always healthy and happy.  This coming from a
 family who never took him to a vet.  He was a mess
 when we got him, totally matted, fleas and a
 terrible case of earmites.  Now he's beautifully
 groomed, clean and
  seemingly overjoyed at being here.  This all so
 totally new to me.  We've never had a pet with an
 illness, let alone something like this.  I swear I'm
 becomming depressed.  I'm not gonna let BooBoo know
 it though.  

   Lynne
 
 


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Re: my baby

2008-02-22 Thread dede hicken
Yeah, they sure know when they've got a good thing
going.  I had one that wanted his head petted lightly
while eating.  He did finally recover after he had
sucked me dry time-wise.  Oh, the things we do for
love !!!

Dede



--- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have to tell you guys about BooBoo's new regime. 
 It involves taking him out in the patio twice a day
 for fresh air and nature.  He's really enjoying it. 
 He watches and listens to the birds for about 10 to
 15 minutes at a time.  I think it does him a world
 of good.  Today he walked into the living room after
 his outdoor adventure, which is unusual, and was
 waving his tail in Lennie's face who was sleeping on
 the sofa.  This woke Len up who just stared at him. 
 Then Bob was feeding Len some silly cat treats and
 BooBoo who usually cowers from him, got up marched
 right over to Len and hissed at him.  Totally out of
 character.  Lennie who in his day would lay ruin to
 any animal who entered his yard just left and went
 back to bed.  On the way to the stairs Boo tore the
 hell out of the bottom stair carpet and boinged
 upstairs.  I had brought his food up but he
 literally threw himself down in front of it, put his
 head between his paws and sulked until Bob came up
 and encouraged him to eat.  It's getting ridiculous.
  He wants both of us to feed him and stay with him
 til he's done.  So far the Lasix seems to be keeping
 the fluid under control and he's breathing normally.
 
 
 Hope you all have a wonderful weekend.
 Lynne 
 


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Re: BooBoo today

2008-02-19 Thread dede hicken

Lynn, I am following each post.  my prayers go out to
all of you.  The cat I had fluid removed from his
chest...he never did that well.  It has got to be a
good sign that he is so active.

Dede


--- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, BooBoo is still with us for the time being
 anyway.  My husband took him in this morning with
 the instructions to help him, not destroy him so the
 vet removed 16 ml of fluid from his chest and sent
 him home with a prescription for Lasix.  Bob said he
 saw his xray and his organs were obscured by the
 fluid.  The vet said we'd know better by the end of
 the week how well it is working.  He's also
 scheduled to go back next Tuesday for further
 aspiration if it is necessary.  The vet told my
 husband he knew I didn't want to let him go but told
 Bob he was at the end stage.  Bob tells me BooBoo
 has filled the litter box with pee this afternoon
 after the dose of Lasix so I'm hopeful and his
 breathing has definitely improved.  When they got
 home Bob took him up to bed, came downstairs and
 there was BooBoo following behind.  He then tore
 into the stairs before boinging up to bed.  This
 from a little guy who was at death's door early this
 morning.  The vet is going to get back to us with
 the analysis of the fluid.  I don't know what
 difference that will make.  My boss is away tomorrow
 so I am taking the day off to spend with my boys. 
 I don't want to become too optimistic but today is
 definitely better than yesterday.
 
 Lynne
 


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Re: breathing difficulties

2008-02-18 Thread dede hicken
Lynn, we had to give doxy to one of our cats last
year.  It can be compounded by a pharmacy to taste
better.  It's not cheap, and there is a short shelf
life.  Might be worth a try.

I feel what you are going through.  My thoughts are
with you.

Dede



--- Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thank you Laurie.  I needed to hear that.
 Lynne
   - Original Message - 
   From: laurieskatz 
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:47 AM
   Subject: Re: breathing difficulties
 
 
   Vet isn't in same emotional space as you
 are...could be the explanation.
   Prayers with you. I feel he is going to be fine. 
   L
 - Original Message - 
 From: Lynne 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 8:28 AM
 Subject: Re: breathing difficulties
 
 
 No, he didn't aspirate.  I gave the water
 immediately after the doxy so I don't know which
 caused it.  I think he was hyperventilating.  I
 stayed with him til he calmed down and went to
 sleep, and honestly I'm afraid to go upstairs.  I'm
 sure he does sense my anxiety.  He does not like to
 be held or confined in any manner.  What bugs me
 though is when we go to the vet, the vet can do
 anything to him, give him pills, take his temp and
 BooBoo will just go limp, won't argue, fight,
 nothing, just scowel.  
 
 Better go upstairs and make sure he's just
 sleeping.
 
 Lynne
   - Original Message - 
   From: laurieskatz 
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:02 AM
   Subject: Re: breathing difficulties
 
 
   Did he aspirate? Was the problem after the
 water or after the doxy? Maybe the water isn't
 working with him. I would call the vet and ask about
 this. Our vet told us we had to give the doxy
 directly (not mixed in food). Midas hated it too. 
 
   It's really important thing is for YOU to be
 calm before you give him the meds and don't think
 about it before you actually do it. This is how I
 got Frankie, a formerly feral kitten, to take
 inhaled meds. I had to calm my own mind. I also
 think they can sense if we are going to give them a
 med so I didn't think about it before I sat down to
 do it. It did help. Our cats sense our mood...I
 hope this makes sense. I just got up.
   L
 - Original Message - 
 From: Lynne 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 7:53 AM
 Subject: breathing difficulties
 
 
 I had a frightening event with BooBoo this
 morning.  He hates being given this Doxy and fights
 me.  I gave him some water via syringe after it as
 well.  Suddenly he started gasping for air,
 breathing through his mouth for about 10 minutes. 
 He is anemic and breathes heavily under normal
 circumstances.  I can't imagine what kind of stress
 the Interferon shots are going to cause him.  Should
 I try mixing this Doxy with his wet food?  It's
 doubtful he would get the appropriate dosage if I
 did because he is a light eater.  I'm beginning to
 think that I'm fighting a losing battle here and
 perhaps it would be best to just let nature take its
 course without intervention.  I hate this.  One
 minute he seems perky and now he's just exhausted. 
 I spent the time with him while he was having
 problems breathing comforting him, just to get him
 settled down and even his purring was excessively
 loud.  I don't know how much more this little guy
 can tolerate.
 
 Lynne
 


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Re: Please Add Buddy to Candlelight Service

2008-01-14 Thread dede hicken

May you find peace, Michelle.

Dede


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
 Buddy has gone to rainbow bridge to collect her
 angel wings tonight. She is  
 on her bed at the moment looking peaceful and I will
 take her to the pet  
 crematorium tomorrow then bring her ashes home.
 Infection overwhelmed her  and 
 wouldn't respond to antibiotics and she got to be in
 too much pain and  started 
 to give up - the weekend was a really bad one for
 her, she collapsed in  pain 
 when the vet felt her kidneys and stomach today so
 it's nice to see her  
 looking peaceful now - nothing was helping her
 anymore. I'll miss her pawing my  
 face and sticking her face out for kisses - she was
 such a lovely affectionate  
 girl until this got hold of her. Minstrel has had a
 look at her and gone off  
 upset but at least she knows. 
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Re: Julie has crossed over the Rainbow Bridge

2007-12-07 Thread dede hicken
So very sorry, Wendy.  I understand your pain.  Have
had enough of it lately with the cats.  Julie was
blessed to have you for a mom

Dede



--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello everyone,
  
 It is with sadness I tell you that Julie's doctor
 and I helped Julie cross over the Rainbow Bridge
 yesterday afternoon.  She was purring and happy when
 it happened and she passed peacefully.  She was my
 beautiful 18.5 year old Maine Coon who lived a
 charmed life and was spoiled to no end.  She was a
 very, very sweet kitty and was never aggressive to
 anyone or to any fellow animal ever.  Her little
 body had just had it from the hyperT and CRF, and
 after this last week, I knew it was time.  It was
 such a difficult decision to make though.  Part of
 me felt like it was not my place to make that
 decision; after all I did not create her life.  The
 other part knew that I could never let her suffer
 the way my Cricket did when he died from
 FeLV-related anemia.  I knew it would be a matter of
 days for her and I wanted her to pass without
 suffering.  I took off work to spend the day with
 her and she had a great day, even being as weak as
 she was.  She enjoyed being
  outside in the sun; it was a beautiful day.  I just
 want to thank everyone here for your help and
 encouragment with all my kitties and for being such
 great listeners.  You all are wonderful people.
  
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Re: Louisa Please add to the CLS :(

2007-12-05 Thread dede hicken


So sorry, Sherry. She ws lucky to have found you.

dede
--- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Re: Whitey

2007-11-06 Thread dede hicken
Did they ever clean his ears?  If so, that can cause
the tilting.  It can take as much as 3 mo. to go away.
 Went through this last year.  Cat is fine now.

Dede


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 Hey guys.  Whitey is still having some issues and
 I was hoping some  of the 
 more experienced people around might have an idea of
 what's up.  
  
 The problem I'm seeing is he's still disoriented/The
 problem I'm seeing is 
 he's still disoriented/WB  I can't figure out whats
 wrong with  him!  We 
 thought it was a severe inner ear infection, but
 after 4 weeks on  Baytril,  it 
 still hasn't cleared up. (It seems to have gotten
 much better,  but not gone).  He 
 also had horribly bad teeth, all of which were
 pulled  two weeks ago.  I was 
 thinking maybe that was part of it, but he's still 
 doing it two weeks after 
 the dental work and 2 weeks on Baytril, so I'm at a 
 loss here.  He's about 12 
 years old for those of you who may not  remember. 
 He's otherwise asympomatic. 
  He doesn't appear to be in any  pain.  He's quite
 friendly still and purs 
 when he's in my lap, he gets  around, eats and
 drinks well, using the litterbox 
 well, other than the walking  with his head sideways
 and stumbling his health 
 is a thousand times better than  it was when I took
 him in, but I just can't 
 figure the dizziness out.
  
 Any thoughts on what might be causing it? Or how to
 treat?  Should I  
 schedule him another vet appointment?  He has to go
 back on the 13th for  his FeLV 
 booster, so I'll definitely talk to the vet then,
 but I didn't know if  I should 
 consider taking him in earlier.
  
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Gemini is Home!! OT

2007-09-30 Thread dede hicken

David got here about 8 PM last night.  Gemmi was fine.
 I let her go in my closet...thought she'd be a basket
case.  She wanted out right away.  Had a few nose to
nose altercations, but meowed and scampered around. 
She even made biscuits on the bed.

She is a lot quieter today, but will come to you, and
sings and purrs.  David said she yelled like a banchee
when the plane took off the first time.   guess the
noise and pressure change scared her.  Everyone wanted
to see her.  She finally calmed down and did really
well.

So another loose end in our lives is closed.

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Gemini is coming home! OT

2007-09-29 Thread dede hicken
 I don't know if anyone remembers or not, but when we
moved to NY from FL in April, our little black long
haired yellow eyed Gemini was left behind.  My friend
who ran the rescue group I worked with took her back
to the shelter. 

 Unfortunately, the shelter changed hands, and they
have some serious problems.  Gemini had gotten inside
a wall.  She came out at nite, but must have been
petrified.  I had someone pick her up 3 wks ago, and
take her to the vet.  She had lost a lb. had severe
gingivitis with pus, and fleas.  They had to extract 8
teeth.  She is all fixed up now.

As we speak, my DH is heading to the Albany airport
from Jax, Fl.  with our sweetheart.  He had quite a
time in Security...Would you please take the cat out
of the carrier?   Duh No sir!!  They put him in a
room and frisked him and checked the carrier.  Cat got
loose behind some boxes, but they got her.  

I know he will be in a nasty mood..1 1/2 hrs drive
from Albany.  He left yesterday, and back today.  BUT,
we have the cat.  Amen.

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Re: Lovey is gone

2007-09-22 Thread dede hicken
So sorry, Brenda.  My heart aches for you.  At least
he got a chance for a good life with you.

Dede


--- Brenda Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello All,
 Thank you for your help the other day.  Lovey was in
 liver and kidney 
 failure.  His liver was 10 times smaller than normal
 and my vet and I 
 both feel it was genetic. He was suffering so I
 didn't hesitate in 
 letting him go. He was a beautiful, wonderful,
 friend with a personality 
 like no other cat I have ever met. I will miss him
 for a long time. 
 
 It was a tough week, I lost my mom's cat Perry last
 thursday.  He 
 started failing and he went really fast.  We don't
 know what was wrong 
 with him, but the vet was 100% sure there were
 multiple problems.  Perry 
 was a very loving sweet boy, he is also missed. So,
 that was two friends 
 gone in one week.  They were both feline leukemia
 positive.  Belinda, 
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Re: The March of Dimes...

2007-09-19 Thread dede hicken
I just have to add my 2 cents to this one.  In the
beginning the M of D was wonderful, but now they are
another over paid administrative staff charity...just
like the MDA and others.

We adopted special needs children, and worked with
many advocacy groups in the process.  The M of D was a
Nasty word to everyone.  They do nothing for the kids
except use them for poster children.  The only
children's charity I truly respect is The Children's
Miracle Network.  I have seen their results first hand
time after time when my children were hospitalized.

Basically, we do the fund raising for the animals now,
and you have to even watch some of those charities
also.

Do your research and you will see.

Dede



--- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 March of Crimes.
 
 Don't they sew kittens eyes closed to see how long
 it takes to adapt to 
 blindness?
 
 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
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 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
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Faithful Bast at
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 - Original Message - 
 From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 12:48 PM
 Subject: OT: The March of Dimes...
 
 
 Well, they are collecting for The March of Dimes
 again...
 Yesterday, while I was driving down the road my cell
 phone rang and it was an across town neighbor
 calling
 me to see if I would pledge a donation...
 I was kind of in a hurry, racing to a job and had
 just
 left a job where my check is being held up...and
 maybe
 this was not the perfect time to call me asking for
 money?
 Anyway, I told the person I give to animal and
 environmental causes and rattled off a list of names
 of organizations like Peta and Sea Shepherd
 ...Sierra
 Club...WWF...etc. (I'm not loaded but I give a dab
 here and there...) I also told him, I did not like
 giving to the March of Dimes, because I did not like
 babies and especially babies with birth defects!
 JUST
 KIDDING GUYS! No really, I told him I did not like
 the March of Dimes, because they give large amounts
 of
 money to labs that CONDUCT ANIMAL TESTING.
 When I was a kid I remember how cool it was to fill
 those sheets with dimes, probably one of the first
 organizations to really be successful with getting
 volunteers to walk the pavement collecting...
 Oh one more thing, the neighbor , upon me rejecting
 his request , reminded me he came into this world
 with
 a birth defect...he uses crutches...a good selling
 point and certainly a good way to make people feel
 guilty for not contributing, but this morning I
 googled march of dimes/animal testing. I called him
 and left a message to confirm why I refused him and
 told him to research his cause a bit...
 My son told me my back hurts today, because I'm
 evil...maybe he is right? Oh well, just thought I'd
 bring this subject up to entertain you guys while
 I'm
 a bit slowed down today with my aching back...
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Re: Kaylee is gone

2007-09-11 Thread dede hicken
So sorry, Chris.  My heart aches for you.  I know your
baby knows how much you love her.

Dede


--- Chris Behnke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I just came back from the vets after saying goodbye
 to my girl.  The tumor
 had eaten away too much at her eye and nose area
 that there was no hope.  I
 could have brought her home but it would only have
 been a few days and she
 wouldn’t have felt good.  So I went to the vets and
 said my goodbyes while
 she was still sedated and held her while I had to
 let go.  Thank you
 everyone for you support.
 
  
 
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Re: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty

2007-09-07 Thread dede hicken
Megan,
I am very sorry for your loss of Olive.  I haven't
been on the computer as much, and i missed her
passing.  My beautiful long haired orange boy, Jim had
cancer, and we PTS 2 wks ago...I know how you feel.

About the new kitty.  In doing rescue work, we HAVE
soon adult cats that look like 6 mo old.  Actually, my
Madonna who is deaf, and left at the colony we were
feeding is very small.  I was very surprised when I
took the kitten to the vet and he said she was at
least 2 yrs old.  I do think that if they do not get
the right nourishment during their prime growth
period, they may be stunted in growth.

Do get her tested right away, and the best of luck to
you all.

Dede



--- Megan Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 First off, I want to thank all of you for your
 condolences. I miss Olive, but 
 I am doing much better. Although it hurts and
 sometimes I question myself, I 
 think I did the right thing. I couldn't stand seeing
 her suffering.
 
 And now there is a new kitty in the household. I am
 by no means trying to 
 replace Olive, because that would be impossible. My
 mom's new neighbors had 
 this little kitten that they didn't take care of,
 and so my mom was letting 
 her stay inside. Stepdad won't let her keep it, so
 she sorta kinda pushes it 
 on me... My roommate decides to take her, because
 her cat is way back in New 
 Jersey and she wants her own kitty. So, the little
 kitty is in her room for 
 now, because I do not want to take any chance
 whatsoever of getting my cats 
 sick. Although, this thing is slightly malnourished
 and dirty, and my guess is 
 that it's probably FeLV-negative, otherwise it
 probably wouldn't still be 
 alive. Still, I want to take precautions.
 
 Here's the weird thing about this cat: It's very
 very small, and at first 
 glance looks like a small kitten. However, it's got
 the proportions of an 
 adult cat. It's so strange. She looks like a
 miniature cat. Could her growth 
 have been stunted, perhaps? Or do some kittens just
 turn out that way?
 
 I want to get her tested ASAP, so she isn't stuck by
 herself in a tiny room, 
 but I have no idea how old she is. Size-wise, she
 looks maybe a month or so, 
 but if it IS possible her growth was stunted The
 vet techs told me that 
 you can't really tell if they're positive or
 negative until around 4 months, 
 but I don't want to keep her cooped up in my
 roommate's room for the next few 
 months.
 
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RE: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty

2007-09-07 Thread dede hicken
Thank you, Diane.  Jim was quite a cat.  He liked to
flirt with disaster.  When he was a kitten, a neighbor
kid said they found him in a box on the RR tracks. 
That is how we got him  10 yrs ago, we was shut in the
neighbor's garage door.  He lived, and had a paralyzed
leg for awhile.  Pretty soon he was back to smacking
everyone.  Then, he got shut in the dryer...long
story, but he lived through that too!  He started
loosing weight last yr.  We never could pin point the
exact cause.  The last time we took him to the vet,
they felt masses in his kidney and spleen.  He also
had a severe heart arythmia.  So, after 14 yrs of
companionship, we let him go.  He always thought he
was all that so I'm sure someone at the bridge will
have to have a talk with him!!!

Dede



--- Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dede, I'm so sorry to hear about Jim.  Hugs to you. 
 I'm sure Jim is
 happily playing at the Bridge.
 
 Diane R.
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of dede hicken
 Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:42 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty
 
 Megan,
 I am very sorry for your loss of Olive.  I haven't
 been on the computer as much, and i missed her
 passing.  My beautiful long haired orange boy, Jim
 had
 cancer, and we PTS 2 wks ago...I know how you feel.
 
 About the new kitty.  In doing rescue work, we HAVE
 soon adult cats that look like 6 mo old.  Actually,
 my
 Madonna who is deaf, and left at the colony we were
 feeding is very small.  I was very surprised when I
 took the kitten to the vet and he said she was at
 least 2 yrs old.  I do think that if they do not get
 the right nourishment during their prime growth
 period, they may be stunted in growth.
 
 Do get her tested right away, and the best of luck
 to
 you all.
 
 Dede
 
 
 
 --- Megan Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  First off, I want to thank all of you for your
  condolences. I miss Olive, but 
  I am doing much better. Although it hurts and
  sometimes I question myself, I 
  think I did the right thing. I couldn't stand
 seeing
  her suffering.
  
  And now there is a new kitty in the household. I
 am
  by no means trying to 
  replace Olive, because that would be impossible.
 My
  mom's new neighbors had 
  this little kitten that they didn't take care of,
  and so my mom was letting 
  her stay inside. Stepdad won't let her keep it, so
  she sorta kinda pushes it 
  on me... My roommate decides to take her, because
  her cat is way back in New 
  Jersey and she wants her own kitty. So, the little
  kitty is in her room for 
  now, because I do not want to take any chance
  whatsoever of getting my cats 
  sick. Although, this thing is slightly
 malnourished
  and dirty, and my guess is 
  that it's probably FeLV-negative, otherwise it
  probably wouldn't still be 
  alive. Still, I want to take precautions.
  
  Here's the weird thing about this cat: It's very
  very small, and at first 
  glance looks like a small kitten. However, it's
 got
  the proportions of an 
  adult cat. It's so strange. She looks like a
  miniature cat. Could her growth 
  have been stunted, perhaps? Or do some kittens
 just
  turn out that way?
  
  I want to get her tested ASAP, so she isn't stuck
 by
  herself in a tiny room, 
  but I have no idea how old she is. Size-wise, she
  looks maybe a month or so, 
  but if it IS possible her growth was stunted
 The
  vet techs told me that 
  you can't really tell if they're positive or
  negative until around 4 months, 
  but I don't want to keep her cooped up in my
  roommate's room for the next few 
  months.
  
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Re: Genevieve My precious baby is gone

2007-08-28 Thread dede hicken
I am so very sorry, Sherry.

Dede


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 thought,she was very anemic and septic,the felv
 destroyed her white blood cells and she had nothing
 to fight with.Jen gave her 12 hours of feeling
 better.I had a wonderful hour with her this
 morning,at least I didn't have to see her in agony.I
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Anyone have any FeLV cats ...NY area

2007-08-25 Thread dede hicken

Since i have moved here in April, I have been at a
sanctuary in Franklin, NY It is run by a judge and her
husband from NYC...wonderful place.  They had 2 +
cats.  One died.  She is looking for a couple more to
keep the one remaining one happy.

Anyone know of any friendly cats?  They have a vet on
site.

Dede

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2007-08-25 Thread dede hicken
Thank you Susan.  I had been reading about the Flock
cats.  I will work on it Mon. The address for the
Sanctuary is loveandhopeforanimals.org

It is an amazing place, and they are truly dedicated.

Dede




--- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Theyc an always apply for someof the FLOCK cats,
 through Best Friends.
 
 It is my understanding that they will fly them via a
 volunteer pilot to 
 their new homes.
 
 39 out of 400+ tested felv+, so far.
 
 Not sure how many more need to be tested, or whether
 they are friendly.
 
 It was set up as a feral sanctuary, but ferals do
 turn friendly, 
 espeically when they are sick, in pain,
 etc..
 
 Sounds like a cool place.
 
 Do they have a website?
 
 
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 www.shadowcats.net
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 her side did wait,
Purring welcomes
 of soft applause,
Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.
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 Tennent
 
 
 
 
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 From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 7:42 AM
 Subject: Anyone have any FeLV cats ...NY area
 
 
 
 Since i have moved here in April, I have been at a
 sanctuary in Franklin, NY It is run by a judge and
 her
 husband from NYC...wonderful place.  They had 2 +
 cats.  One died.  She is looking for a couple more
 to
 keep the one remaining one happy.
 
 Anyone know of any friendly cats?  They have a vet
 on
 site.
 
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Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?

2007-08-24 Thread dede hicken
Dear Becky,

I certainly do not have all the answers, but I can
draw from my experiences over the years. It is usually
true that when a cat stops eating, it can mean they
are near the end.  BUT, something happened to me last
year that made me think twice.

Whiskers stopped eating.  She is CRF, and had a
bladder or kidney infection .  Anyway, she would NOT
eat.  It took me 2 mo.  of force feeding her before
she ate on her own.  She is still with me.  I did this
with the encouragement of my vet, BTW.

Spud if FIV, and has severe stomatitis.  My vet
treated him for Toxo. although she was at a loss as to
what was really going on.  His HCT was down to 12.  I
force fed him for 6 wks.  He is still with me.  His
HCT is 22 now...not perfect, but doable.

In June my FeLV kitty, KI stopped eating.  Bloodwork
was almost normal.  I was force feeding, when all of a
sudden, his abdoman filled with fluid.  It was
probably FIP, and he was having trouble breathing, so
I elected to PTS.  I am in the country now, and there
is NO ER care nearby.

2 wks ago, My beautiful long haired orange boy, Jim
stopped eating.  Bloodwork looked pretty good.  Force
fed, but he continued to get thinner.  When his eyes
and gums turned yellow, they examined him again, and
found a mass in his kidney, and one in his pancreas. 
We elected to PTS.

I guess what I am saying is that every cat and
situation is different.  Sometimes we never do figure
out what is wrong.  It is just something you reason
out, and look at the whole cat, and how they're
reacting to the treatment they are getting.  I have
learned one thing though, you need to give them 60cc
of food 3 times a day.

God bless you both.
Dede




--- Beckie McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think the Moeman is dying.
 
 I'm just trying to keep him comfortable as possible
 now.  No more pokes
 and prods, etc.  He's content I think.  I'm just
 wondering if you guys
 could tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV
 cat?  Will he just
 get weaker and weaker like he has been?
 
  
 
 


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Re: OT: oh Lordy!

2007-08-12 Thread dede hicken
Thanks Susan, I needed a good laugh. LOL!!!

Dede



--- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My cats are devils in fur.
 
 Gattos diablos... :)
 
 Their FAVORITE toy in the world?
 
 Detached barbie doll heads.
 
 Flowing in their water bowls, face down.
 
 And the funny part?
 
 I pick them up @ Good Will all day for a few cents,
 fully clothed w/ heads attached.
 
 
 In just a few short days, I find Barbie's prom dress
 in one corner, her naked headless body in
 another.
 
 The head still has hair, but it has been ravaged to
 the point of mere fluff.
 
 And everyone thinks I'M the crazy one in the
 family.
 
 But them again, they are momma's babies..  :)
 
 Nothing cuter than my Princess Purr-laaa AKAS
 Kannibal Kitty walking around meowing  cooing w/
 a caught Barbie doll 
 
 She's soo cute..
 
 
 It's the REAL Addams Family..
 
 
 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra lay
 in state,
Faithful Bast at
 her side did wait,
Purring welcomes
 of soft applause,
Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.
  Trajan
 Tennent
 
 
 
 


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Re: OT: Petition for Burned kitten in CA (Adam, he survived and so far is doing well)

2007-07-28 Thread dede hicken
Belinda, do you have to be living in California to
sign?

Dede



--- Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Petition page, please sign this and pass it on, they
 need 5000 sigs and 
 only have 034 as of now.  It is the one that has
 been in the news, the 
 two girls that burned the trapped kitten, Adam.
 
 http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/adamsamendment
 
 Here is Adam's story site, he is adorable and fling
 well so far.  Some 
 photos are a little graphic but not too bad, he has
 already been treated 
 and is bandaged up.
 
 http://www.adamsamendment.com/
 
 -- 
 
 Belinda
 happiness is being owned by cats ...
 
 Be-Mi-Kitties
 http://bemikitties.com
 
 Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens
 http://adopt.bemikitties.com
 
 FeLV Candlelight Service
 http://bemikitties.com/cls
 
 HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting  web design]
 http://HostDesign4U.com
 
 
 
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Re: Monkee is gone

2007-07-16 Thread dede hicken
Caroline,

I am truly sorry the way things worked out, but at
least Monkee is at peace now.  You perservered with
him through impossible odds.  He was loved, and he
knew it.  What a gift you gave him.

Blessings,
Dede
--- Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


-
My beloved cat Monkee passed last night in my arms
while I held him with my Mom standing next to my side.
 At about 2:30 a.m.  
 
We were going to take him to Dr. Maier's for
euthanasia this morning at 8:00 a.m.  I thought he
could make it until then and that he wouldn't want to
go to a strange emergency vet clinic he'd never been
to before for his passing.  I didn't know he was that
bad.  I feel so bad.  It was so horrible.  He was
having some trouble breathing, but I was usually able
to calm him down by holding him and giving him flower
essences.  He had begun to have trouble walking and he
would cry at me really loudly when he wasn't able to
do something he wanted to do because his brain was not
getting enough oxygen (like walk around).  I didn't
want him to be in pain or suffer and I feel like I
failed him.  
 
He did go really quick, but I was hysterical as it was
happening.  We were on my bed and I was holding him. 
He took a last gasp of air and then he stopped.  When
his body when limp, I felt like I might die too.  I
think the only thing that helped me and my mom was
that she has rescue remedy with her and we both took
it right away.  It sounds odd to say that, but
immediately after it happened, I felt a sense of
peace-- for him.  I think the rescue remedy helped my
breathing at that time.  I just held him afterwards
and talked to him  and pet him and kissed him for
about two hours.  I told him how wonderful he was and
that I would never be the same without him.  I walked
around the house, sat with him on the porch he loved
so much and took him outside for his last time to hold
him while sitting on the front steps.  
 
I have never had an animal die in my arms like that
and to have it be my best friend-- the best companion
I've ever had...my heart just feels like it's
wrenching in half.  I feel guilty and traumatized.  I
am having a hard time erasing the memories of his
passing.  When I close my eyes, I see his face as he
took his last breath.  I don't how to recover from
that.
I've never been lonely since I had Monkee and now that
he's gone, that loneliness is crashing in.  
 
I hope all of you are able to continue to care for
your cats and give them the peace and love that they
so desperately need.  I admire those of you who take
care of multiple FelV cats and have lost some in the
past and continue to keep doing the work that you do. 
My thoughts and my prayers are now with all of you and
your babies.  I felt like I didn't have the mental
energy to devote many of my prayers in the past few
weeks to any cat other than Monkee, but I will be
praying for you now.
 
I also wanted to remind everyone that you never really
know the power of what love can do for a cat like
Monkee, until you experience it.  When I found him, he
was a crazy, dirty, little ragamuffin eating doves,
baby rabbits, and whatever else he could catch in the
courtyard of my law school apartment complex in
Northern Ky 4 years ago.  And four years and 1 month
ago, I couldn't take his living it up in the killing
fields- as I called it- anymore.  It took so long to
get him to be a somewhat normal cat.  Something bad
must have happened to him because he was already
neutered when I found him, so he had to have belong to
someone.  He was deathly afraid of men and it took
until probably about this past year for that fear to
almost subside.  I don't think anyone else in my life
(other than myself) believed that he'd ever be
trusting, cuddling, sweet, lfunny, love-bug that he
was with me.  The first time I turned on my radio and
my tv after I had brought him into my life, he freaked
out and hid under the bed for hours.  After lots of
love and being spoiled rotten, and having four years
to experience as many things as possible, he had truly
become my best friend.  He would comfort me when
something went horribly wrong in my life and the past
4 years have been pretty turbulent for me so he had a
lot of comforting to do.  He was what always cheered
me up when I was at my lowest low and he was what kept
going.  He slept on my bed with me every night and
even when I was just away for one night, I would miss
him and miss having him there in the morning to wake
up with.  I am going to miss him so much. 
 
I also wanted to say Thank You for being such an
instant support group for Monkee and I.  We really
needed help these past few weeks and you all really
came through for us.  
 
Thank you,
Caroline 

 
   




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Re: Wallace with the angels now

2007-07-11 Thread dede hicken
Jean, I am so sorry for your loss. And a deep loss it
is.  I am tearing up just reading your touching story.
 My little Ki left me on June 30th. He was only 14 mo
old.  His brother, Chi has started coming into the
bedroom with us.  Chi looks a lot like Wallace.  He is
a pistol like Ki, and is really full of it.

Yes, they are in good company, but it is so hard to
let them go.

Blessings,
Dede



--- Jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Greetings, folks. 
 
 I'd like to thank everybody for the support and
 suggestions through my Wallace's brief-but-terminal
 illness.  I'm sorry to report that he left this
 world
 on July 4 at 6:40PM, in my arms.
 
 My LJ post is here: 
 http://lyonessnyc.livejournal.com/68839.html
 
 and a portrait I'd taken last year is here:
 http://lyonessnyc.livejournal.com/69444.html
 
 I love digital photography, and it's made great
 portraits of my kitties possible.  If you try, make
 sure you have a macro function (it's usually the
 little flower on a button) so you get their little
 faces in focus.
 
 This is a wonderful group of people, and I'm
 grateful
 for all the help and support I got. I joined because
 I
 was trying to help a FeLeuk cat (not mine) find a
 home, and one of you wonderful people took Aries in
 and from all reports, he's happy and healthy. I
 salute
 the good work you all do, caring for these kitties.
 
 Again, thanks.
 
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Re: Ki is an Angel

2007-07-09 Thread dede hicken
Thank you, Tonys, I appreciate it.  It never gets any
easier, does it?

Dede



--- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dede,

   I'm so sorry to read about Ki.  You certainly did
 everything you could. Take care of yourself.

   tonya
 
 dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you
 know
 Ki left this world at 10 this AM.
 
 It was sooo hard for me. I noticed last night that
 his belly looked really full. The way he was
 breathing was weird also. You could see his head and
 chest moving. His eyes had brightened up though, and
 the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. He
 even ate a few pieces of food by himself.
 
 The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw
 colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. My
 biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I
 couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible
 death.
 
 Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have
 never put him in with most of the cats. I dunno...I
 could go crazy asking what if's I guess I believed
 he would be one of the lucky ones. He came from a
 horrible home...many FeLV cats and death. His
 siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would
 beat it. It was only a faint pos. He had a fever
 like this last Nov, but recovered,
 
 I am so grateful for the time I had with him. He
 came
 to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. I
 didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the
 bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept
 with
 him. He was a pistol, and rough to play with! I hope
 he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we
 can all be together forever.
 
 May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in
 his
 care until we meet again.
 
 Dede
 
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Re: Ki is an Angel

2007-07-05 Thread dede hicken
Thank you Cindy.  It means a lot.

Dede



--- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dede,
 
 I am so so sorry to hear about Ki.  You are in my
 thoughts.
 
 Cindy Reasoner
 
 --- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I wish I could say I deliberately did this.  I
 swore
  I
  never would.  When these 4 kitens came into foster
  care, they neded a home for 2 of them...I got to
  choose.  I picked the 2 tabbies.After I had them 2
  weeks, I noticed Ki had 2 huge nodes in his neck. 
  We
  treated that, and tested him...Surprise.  I was
  shocked and frightened. I'm not sure I would have
  volontarity done this.  I have 3 FIV cats.  One of
  them is diabetic, one has stomatitis.  I have
  another
  with severe stomatitis, and one asthmatic.
  
  I go from day to day. Life is a gift.  When I take
 a
  furkid, it is a commitment for better or worse, in
  sickness and in health so to speak.  You cn't
 throw
  them away because they are not pefect.
  
  I have been truly blessed by my fur-family
  
  Dede  (who is sorry for the chit chat)   
  
  
  
  --- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   And thank you.
   
   When I lost Serenity, I felt like the floor
 opened
   me up and swallowed me.
   
   Like I said, I had only had her 5 months, and my
  vet
   and his wife (who have 
   several felv+ cats, and Dr. Smith is constantly
   doing research, even @ 73 
   yrs.) warned me that when she becomes
 symptomatic,
   she could go very fast, 
   it just depends.
   
   I was s glad they were there for me.
   
   Felv+, I have been told, can kill a cat so many
   different ways...
   
   Or, their body can go, but the mind is sharp as
 a
   tack.
   
   I have a good client that has only had felv+
 cats,
   his limit is 3.
   
   The reason being, 4 is an unlucky number for
 him,
  if
   he has 3 and gets a 
   4th, one dies really soon afterwards.
   
   He is an international pilot for UPS, and has
 been
   for 25+ yrs.  (cha 
   ching$)
   
   He is down to one felv+ cat, and he has sworn
  off.
   
   Ever seen a very big, macho Texas man cry like a
   baby while holding his cat 
   @ the vet's?
   
   Not pretty.
   
   The good thing is, he only has been working 10
  days
   per month (10 days on, 
   20 days off), and when Chairman Meow leaves him,
  he
   plans to work more and 
   donate a lot more money.
   
   In otherwords, he has been just working his
  minimum
   to be w/ his cats, but 
   once they are all gone, he will fly more and of
   course, have more money.
   
   Right now he is a very big donor, always there
 for
   my project kitties.
   
   When he retires in a few years, he really hopes
 to
   start a sanctuary, and he 
   will have a lot of people to help him.
   
   I don't know, I have always said that, it takes
 a
   very special purrson to 
   have a felv+ cat, unconditional love, also..
   
   LOTS of people are even afraid of them.
   
   I recently had 2 people over on separate
 occasions
   that would not even enter 
   my felv+ room, they just looked through the
 door.
   
   They were really afraid of taking it home to
 their
   cats.
   
   I understand that it is a very delicate
   virus
   
   I just call them my little bubble
  kitties.
:)...
   Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
   www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
   www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
   www.shadowcats.net
 As Cleopatra
  lay
   in state,
  Faithful Bast
  at
   her side did wait,
  Purring
  welcomes
   of soft applause,
  Ever guarding
   with sharpened claws.
   
  Trajan
   Tennent
   
   
   
   
   - Original Message - 
   From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:53 PM
   Subject: Re: Ki is an Angel
   
   
   Thanks Susan.  I know you are right.  One can
 only
   take so much exposure to Corona when your immune
   system is not so great.  I just don't get why
 some
   get
   it and some don't.  I suppose if I could answer
   that,
   I'd get the Pulitzer.
   
   I will always wonder, though, if I had isolated
  him
   with a smaller number of catsOh well, I will
   never
   know.  And here i was worried that he'd infect
   someone.  They are so fragile.
   
   Sorry about your little one, too.  Ki came to me
  in
   July, too.  He was only 12 wks old.  It just
 takes
   time, I guess.
   
   Dede
   
   
   
   
  
  
  When you are in the service of your fellow
 beings,
  you are only in the service of your God
 Mosiah 2:17
  
  
 
 
 
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Re: Ki is an Angel

2007-07-03 Thread dede hicken
Thank you for the thoughts Gloria.  It means a lot.

Dede



--- Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dede, I am So.o.o sorry that you're baby has gone on
 to the Bridge. I 
 know he's still with you in many ways, what a
 blessing.  My thoughts 
 are with you and Ki. Gloria
 
 It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you
 know
 Ki left this world at 10 this AM.
 ...
 
 


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RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues

2007-07-02 Thread dede hicken
Caroline,
I hate that you are going through this emotional
abuse. It's hard enough to be so concerned about
Monkee (love the spelling BTW), and have people acting
like they don't give a *%$.  It is so very hard to
make these decisions, but like you said, Not until
he's ready  Stick with your gut feelings.  I always
say in times like this...I want no regrets, and you
don't want any either.

Bless you both in your decision.  Be firm, and feel
good about what you are doing.

Dede



--- Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


-

There's been a lot of developments today, which have
had me crying at my desk here at work (never a good
thing!). I'll try not to bore you all with the minute
details, but I have now had two bad conversations
with Dr. Jones from The Cat Clinic.  Monkee is out of
his appetite stimulant and I called at The Cat Clinic
today to see if I could pick it up there. They put 
Dr. Jones on the phone and he said he got a report
today from Dr. Daley and she is basing her poor
prognosis for Monkee on the fact that he now has lymph
nodes in his abdomen that are enlarged. Dr. Jones said
that, based on that, he agrees with Dr. Daley and that
he would just treat Monkee palliatively. He said the
transfusion would wear off and we need to plan
accordingly.  Basically, he and Dr. Daley are
standing firm that the prognosis for Monkee is bleak. 
I was so frustrated, disheartened and angry, and what
makes those feelings even worse for me, is Monkee's
condition, which, even before the transfusion, was not
too bad!  

I made a decision and I sent a long email to Dr. Maier
detailing my conversations with Drs. Daley and Jones,
their decisions to just drop off medications, etc.  I
told her that Monkee had a bad day on Saturday where
he was lethargic and seemed really tired, but it was
not anything extreme or different from his
pre-transfusion lethargy. I thought he was starting to
go down from the transfusion already wearing off. 
However, on Sunday, he had a really good day and he
was bright-eyed, active, talkative and seemed really
happy and in no pain or distress.  So I flat-out told
Dr. Maier that I was frustrated with Drs. Daley and
Jones' poor prognosis and no hope outlook for Monkee
because at this point, even before Monkee's
transfusion last week, I don't yet have a cat in dire
distress on my hands. Yes, he's down a little and I
know we are a fighting likely a losing battle, but
Monkee just doesn't seem ready yet! I told her I
would like Monkee to treat with someone who has a more
positive attitude towards his care, and even if it's
going to be palliative care, I want it to be positive
palliative care. 

I asked her for her continued help and assistance and
if I could bring Monkee out to see her again this
week, especially since the transfusion is going to
wear off and by no means do I want Monkee to get into
a situation where he crashes due to that.  He
currently has no follow-ups with Daley or Jones and at
this point, I told Dr. Maier that I am a little more
than ambivalent about continuing Monkee's care with
either of them. I told her I didn't know if they are
unhappy with me as a client for not totally accepting
their difficult-to-decipher prognosis and/or the fact
that I went to a Holistic Vet for a second/additional
opinion. I don't know if I ruffled feathers or
something, but at this point, I don't care! I told
her I just want Monkee to be taken care of and kept
happy. 

Dr. Maier immediately sent back a reply email that I
found surprisingly candid.  She said she felt bad that
his Drs. are giving me such a hard time and that she'd
be happy to see Monkee this week.  She said she
doesn't have much experience with Epogen in the past
(and I am not married to the Epogen by far, I just
couldn't understand why Monkee treated with it for one
week and then, Dr. Daley was like, well it didn't
work- when everyone says it needs more than one
week/one dose to work!)- WHICH Dr. Maier said the same
thing about it!  She said she doesn't see any reason
to give up prematurely.  She also said that she's
worked with other Dr. Jones patients and the whole
Holistic thing has never been a problem with him (so
that is good to know b/c I do like Dr. Jones as vet
and would like to return to him at some point, maybe
with another pet, but for Monkee, it's time to move
on).  

Generally, Dr. Maier makes me feel better, so that is
the route Monkee and I are going to go for now.  We
maybe heading into the end game, I am capable of
recognizing that, but I am certainly not putting that
cat down until he's ready and I just want to be
treating with someone who supports that decision and I
feel that I am now.  But it's been a bumpy ride
getting there!

-Caroline 

 

 



 

-
From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia
Issues
Date: Mon, 2 

Re: Ki is an Angel

2007-07-02 Thread dede hicken
Thank You Jane.  It has been a hard few days.  I just
hope all my other guys are OK.  I tried to be so clean
with the litterboxes.  Honestly though, between the
FELV and his lousy beginning, he probably had the
virus, and his immune system couldn't fight it off. 
FIP is such a @#$%*.

Dede



--- Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dede I am so sorry. I was hoping that when I turned
 this
 computer on that there would be some good news about
 Ki.
 
 He was lucky to have found you. I hope you can find
 comfort
 in the good times you shared and knowing that he
 finally
 felt loved and cared for.
 
 You fought for him until the very end, and he knew
 that.
 
 His angels are with you.
 
 Jane
 
 
 
 
 
 On Jun 30, 2007, at 1:09 PM, dede hicken wrote:
 
 
  It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you
 know
  Ki left this world at 10 this AM.
 
  It was sooo hard for me.  I noticed last night
 that
  his belly looked really full.  The way he was
  breathing was weird also.  You could see his head
 and
  chest moving.  His eyes had brightened up though,
 and
  the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. 
 He
  even ate a few pieces of food by himself.
 
  The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw
  colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein.  My
  biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when
 I
  couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a
 horrible
  death.
 
  Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should
 have
  never put him in with most of the cats.  I
 dunno...I
  could go crazy asking what if's  I guess I
 believed
  he would be one of the lucky ones.  He came from a
  horrible home...many FeLV cats and death.  His
  siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he
 would
  beat it.  It was only a faint pos.  He had a fever
  like this last Nov, but recovered,
 
  I am so grateful for the time I had with him.  He
 came
  to me the week before my beloved Smokey died.  I
  didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in
 the
  bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept
 with
  him.  He was a pistol, and rough to play with!  I
 hope
  he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when
 we
  can all be together forever.
 
  May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in
 his
  care until we meet again.
 
  Dede
 
  When you are in the service of your fellow
 beings, you are only in  
  the service of your God
 Mosiah 2:17
 
 
 
 

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Re: Ki is an Angel

2007-07-01 Thread dede hicken
Thanks for your thoughts Elizabeth.  You are NOT a nut
case. I've never seen, but I have felt, and I believe.

Dede



--- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dede,
 I know I'm a nut burger with special sauce...but I
 still see Mama Kitty
 standing at the door looking at me with her sweet
 self.  She sits by me on
 the porch like she always did.  It's been a few
 months - I still cry.  I
 don't think anyone could convince me that those dear
 ones don't have a soul
 and a spirit.  They care about us.  They live on in
 our hearts...and on a
 clear day - you can see them.
 
 Please annoy Chi and give him a big hug from Auntie
 beth :0)
 
 more hugs and love to you,
 elizabeth in alabama, phelix, tori, tiffany,
 othello, antonio, lexie, and
 shakiti
 
 
 On 6/30/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Thanks Cassandra.  No problem with the crying.  I
 let
  Ki's brother Chi out into the main house today. 
 He is
  running around and being obnoxious.  I keep
 grabbing
  him to hug, and he gets annoyed!!  They are almost
  alike except Ki had more white on his front paws
 and a
  white muzzle...both beautiful tabby boys with
 white
  feet.
 
  I don't know for certain either, but logically, if
  you believe all things have spirit, it makes sense
  that they live on as we will.  that is a
 comforting
  thought about now.
 
  Dede
 
 
 
  --- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Dede, i'm so sorry that Ki has passed.  It is
 these
   days that are the
   hardest to get through.  When Tomi left me, I
   alternated between not being
   able to believe he was gone, and feeling like
 he's
   been gone forever.  It
   hurts so much, but try to think of him often,
 and
   allow yourself to cry as
   much as you need to.
  
   Though i'm not always sure, I try to believe
 that
   their spirits live on, and
   something happened with Tomi that makes me a
 little
   more certain that
   perhaps their spirits do persist.  A few hours
 after
   Tomi died, I leaned
   over to kiss his forehead.  In that exact
 moment,
   when I opened my eyes and
   looked at him, there was a rainbow across his
 face.
   I have a kitty ornament
   in the window that my dad gave me years ago, and
 the
   sun was reflecting
   through it in such a way at that exact time,
 that it
   shone on his face in a
   rainbow of color.  Could it have been a
 coincidence?
I suppose so, but that
   is sure a crazy coincidence if that's all it
 was.
  
   Maybe Tomi and Ki are introducing themselves to
 each
   other right now, and
   telling each other all about us.
  
   Cassandra
  
  
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM
   Subject: Ki is an Angel
  
  
   
It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let
 you
   know
Ki left this world at 10 this AM.
   
It was sooo hard for me.  I noticed last night
   that
his belly looked really full.  The way he was
breathing was weird also.  You could see his
 head
   and
chest moving.  His eyes had brightened up
 though,
   and
the fever had gotten better, but it kept
 spiking.
   He
even ate a few pieces of food by himself.
   
The vet drained his belly, and it was thick
 straw
colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. 
 My
biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow
 when
   I
couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a
   horrible
death.
   
Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should
   have
never put him in with most of the cats.  I
   dunno...I
could go crazy asking what if's  I guess I
   believed
he would be one of the lucky ones.  He came
 from a
horrible home...many FeLV cats and death.  His
siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he
   would
beat it.  It was only a faint pos.  He had a
 fever
like this last Nov, but recovered,
   
I am so grateful for the time I had with him. 
 He
   came
to me the week before my beloved Smokey died. 
 I
didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him
 in
   the
bedroom, and played with him, and loved and
 slept
   with
him.  He was a pistol, and rough to play with!
  I
   hope
he doesn't forget us, and the time will come
 when
   we
can all be together forever.
   
May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you
 in
   his
care until we meet again.
   
Dede
   
When you are in the service of your fellow
   beings, you are only in the
service of your God
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Re: goodbye.

2007-07-01 Thread dede hicken
What is going on here?   I didn't even know there were
2 lists.  So many hot headed folks lately.

I know I am fairly new, but You all helped me an awful
lot with KI.  Just the support alone meant so much.

Gloria, I am pretty good with the mouth thing...have a
diabetic, too, unless you are already involved with a
list for that.

Dede



--- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 MC -- you hard headed woman ... get yourself back on
 here before I have to
 come up there with a big can of you know what!..
 
 elizabeth in alabama...phelix, antonio,tiffy,
 alexsis, tori,
 shaktit,othello...
 
 
 On 7/1/07, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  Agreed, I feel very sad about this - MC has been a
 wonderful member
  for quite a while, and a wealth of good
 information.  We've had a
  great group for so long.  There are many times
 that we need to be
  gentle with each other.  Need to remember that all
 we see here are
  typed messages, and there's lots more going on
 with each one than
  that. But I'm glad you're here and think things
 will settle down.
 
  Glad to hear about MeME.  I have a sick Li Won
 (mouth), Toby (mouth),
  Rufus(diabetes) and Hambone(uri and whatever) -
 none are FELV however.
 
  Wondering what you did for the stomatitis...?
 
  Gloria
 
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jane Lyons
  To:

mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:34 PM
  Subject: Re: goodbye.
  
  I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new
 person (me) it is very
  sad since I've come to rely on this list as a
 lifeline for my Felv
  positive cat.
  
  I use two vets, one of them well known
 nationally, and neither of
  them have the
  knowledge and experience that you guys
 (collectively) have of Feline
  Leukemia.
  This is a priceless resource, especially for
 people like myself, who
  come here shell
  shocked and need to hear the reality from the
 frontline, not
  theory nor statistics.
  
  My little cat, who came from an over burdened
 colony situation,
  having been thrown
  on their porch from a moving car, is so much
 better and it is
  largely the result of the
  information that I got here. Also, I was so
 grateful to be able to
  express the grief and
  fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people
 who really loved
  their cats, and who would
  (hopefully) understand.
  
  It must be difficult repeating the same
 information over and over
  again, and having to
  adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction,
 but if the bottom
  line is helping cats,
  your time is not in vain.
  
  I came here four weeks ago with a kitten
 suffering from giardia,
  stomatitis, very badly
  swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose,
 diarrhea and very
  poor appetite.
  
  I am happy to report we now have formed stools,
 no swollen glands,
  an occasional sneeze
  and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The
 stomatitis seems to be
  healed on the bottom
  of her mouth, although the top is still red, but
 not as inflamed as
  it had been. For the first
  time in her little life she seems comfortable and
 very content.
  
  I hope things here can be worked out. We are very
 grateful to all of you.
  
  Jane (and a much improved MeMe)
 
 
 
 


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Re: OT: Re: mouth and diabetes -Dede - (was goodbye.)

2007-07-01 Thread dede hicken
OK, this is NOT about FELV, so I will respond to
Gloria privately.

Dede



--- Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nope - I've a little exp with diabetic, but not
 must.  For the mouth 
 - one got a dex shot (19 yr old siamese) as depo can
 be hard on the 
 kidneys.  I'm going to find my colostrum or
 lactoferrin and try 
 that.  The other mouth one had a depo shot, but
 not as effective as 
 last time.  Giving him vitamins.
 
 The diabetic - vet prescribed Lantus.  And Science
 Diet W/D.  Seems 
 better after just a weekend of W/D.  I won't start
 the Lantus till 
 Monday, when the vet office is open (just in case). 
 Am somewhat 
 concerned about it hmmm.
 
 Gloria
 
 
 At 05:21 PM 7/1/2007, you wrote:
 What is going on here?   I didn't even know there
 were
 2 lists.  So many hot headed folks lately.
 
 I know I am fairly new, but You all helped me an
 awful
 lot with KI.  Just the support alone meant so much.
 
 Gloria, I am pretty good with the mouth
 thing...have a
 diabetic, too, unless you are already involved with
 a
 list for that.
 
 Dede
 
 
 
 --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   MC -- you hard headed woman ... get yourself
 back on
   here before I have to
   come up there with a big can of you know
 what!..
  
   elizabeth in alabama...phelix, antonio,tiffy,
   alexsis, tori,
   shaktit,othello...
  
  
   On 7/1/07, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote:
   
Agreed, I feel very sad about this - MC has
 been a
   wonderful member
for quite a while, and a wealth of good
   information.  We've had a
great group for so long.  There are many times
   that we need to be
gentle with each other.  Need to remember that
 all
   we see here are
typed messages, and there's lots more going on
   with each one than
that. But I'm glad you're here and think
 things
   will settle down.
   
Glad to hear about MeME.  I have a sick Li Won
   (mouth), Toby (mouth),
Rufus(diabetes) and Hambone(uri and whatever)
 -
   none are FELV however.
   
Wondering what you did for the stomatitis...?
   
Gloria
   
   
   
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jane
 Lyons
To:
  

mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: goodbye.

I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a
 new
   person (me) it is very
sad since I've come to rely on this list as a
   lifeline for my Felv
positive cat.

I use two vets, one of them well known
   nationally, and neither of
them have the
knowledge and experience that you guys
   (collectively) have of Feline
Leukemia.
This is a priceless resource, especially for
   people like myself, who
come here shell
shocked and need to hear the reality from the
   frontline, not
theory nor statistics.

My little cat, who came from an over burdened
   colony situation,
having been thrown
on their porch from a moving car, is so much
   better and it is
largely the result of the
information that I got here. Also, I was so
   grateful to be able to
express the grief and
fear I initially felt, knowing I was with
 people
   who really loved
their cats, and who would
(hopefully) understand.

It must be difficult repeating the same
   information over and over
again, and having to
adjust to a lot of personalities and
 dysfunction,
   but if the bottom
line is helping cats,
your time is not in vain.

I came here four weeks ago with a kitten
   suffering from giardia,
stomatitis, very badly
swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny
 nose,
   diarrhea and very
poor appetite.

I am happy to report we now have formed
 stools,
   no swollen glands,
an occasional sneeze
and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The
   stomatitis seems to be
healed on the bottom
of her mouth, although the top is still red,
 but
   not as inflamed as
it had been. For the first
time in her little life she seems comfortable
 and
   very content.

I hope things here can be worked out. We are
 very
   grateful to all of you.

Jane (and a much improved MeMe)
   
   
   
  
 
 
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Re: Ki is an Angel

2007-07-01 Thread dede hicken
I can't remember if I wrote to thank you for your
comments.  You are right, of course, and we difinately
loved him.

Thanks,
Dede



--- MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 you gave him exactly what he needed to be able to go
 on to the next stage of
 his journey. if you believe there's a plan, you have
 to know that all
 happens as it is meant to--even when our hearts feel
 broken by the
 fulfillment.
 
 love one another. for ki, you made that real. that's
 all that really
 matters.
 
 GLOW to guide his way home, and to heal your hearts.
 
 MC
 
 On 6/30/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you
 know
  Ki left this world at 10 this AM.
 
  It was sooo hard for me.  I noticed last night
 that
  his belly looked really full.  The way he was
  breathing was weird also.  You could see his head
 and
  chest moving.  His eyes had brightened up though,
 and
  the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. 
 He
  even ate a few pieces of food by himself.
 
  The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw
  colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein.  My
  biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when
 I
  couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a
 horrible
  death.
 
  Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should
 have
  never put him in with most of the cats.  I
 dunno...I
  could go crazy asking what if's  I guess I
 believed
  he would be one of the lucky ones.  He came from a
  horrible home...many FeLV cats and death.  His
  siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he
 would
  beat it.  It was only a faint pos.  He had a fever
  like this last Nov, but recovered,
 
  I am so grateful for the time I had with him.  He
 came
  to me the week before my beloved Smokey died.  I
  didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in
 the
  bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept
 with
  him.  He was a pistol, and rough to play with!  I
 hope
  he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when
 we
  can all be together forever.
 
  May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in
 his
  care until we meet again.
 
  Dede
 
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 beings, you are only in the
  service of your God
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Ki

2007-06-30 Thread dede hicken

---I think we are really in trouble here.  His whole
breathing patern has changed.  I've never seen it
before, but I think he has fluid in his belly.

I am scared to death.  It is Sat, and we are in such a
rural area.  If I have to sit here tomorrow and watch
him die, it would kill me.

I am just sick at heart.  He still has the fever. I
haven't even given him the IR, and I'm now sure it
would do any good.  Bless my little guy.

Dede


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Re: Ki

2007-06-30 Thread dede hicken
Gloria,  as we speak, I am on hold with the vet.  I
will have to do something today...

Am on my way, keep us in your prayes.

Dede and Ki



--- Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'l keep you in my thoughts also, Dede.  I notice
 you say you're in a  
 rural area - is there any possibility of getting him
 to a vet?   He  
 may have fluid in his chest that could be drawn off
 with a needle.   
 It makes them more comfortable.  just a possibility,
 but something I  
 always check into when my FELV kitties have
 breathing problems.
 
 Gloria
 
 
 
 
 On Jun 30, 2007, at 6:54 AM, dede hicken wrote:
 
 
  ---I think we are really in trouble here.  His
 whole
  breathing patern has changed.  I've never seen it
  before, but I think he has fluid in his belly.
 
  I am scared to death.  It is Sat, and we are in
 such a
  rural area.  If I have to sit here tomorrow and
 watch
  him die, it would kill me.
 
  I am just sick at heart.  He still has the fever.
 I
  haven't even given him the IR, and I'm now sure it
  would do any good.  Bless my little guy.
 
  Dede
 
 
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 beings, you are only in  
  the service of your God
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Ki is an Angel

2007-06-30 Thread dede hicken

It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know
Ki left this world at 10 this AM.

It was sooo hard for me.  I noticed last night that
his belly looked really full.  The way he was
breathing was weird also.  You could see his head and
chest moving.  His eyes had brightened up though, and
the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking.  He
even ate a few pieces of food by himself.

The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw
colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein.  My
biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I
couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible
death.

Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have
never put him in with most of the cats.  I dunno...I
could go crazy asking what if's  I guess I believed
he would be one of the lucky ones.  He came from a
horrible home...many FeLV cats and death.  His
siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would
beat it.  It was only a faint pos.  He had a fever
like this last Nov, but recovered,

I am so grateful for the time I had with him.  He came
to me the week before my beloved Smokey died.  I
didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the
bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with
him.  He was a pistol, and rough to play with!  I hope
he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we
can all be together forever.

May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his
care until we meet again.

Dede

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Re: Ki is an Angel

2007-06-30 Thread dede hicken
Thank you Marilyn and Leslie.

Dede



--- Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Bless you for all the love you gave Ki.  When you
 are considering all the 
 what ifs as we all do, consider what if you had
 never come into his life 
 and how wonderful you made his life.
 
 
 
 
 
 
  If
 you have men who will 
 exclude any of God's creatures
 
 from the shelter of 
 compassion and pity, you will have men who
 
 will deal likewise with 
 their fellow man.
 
  St. 
 Francis
 - Original Message - 
 From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM
 Subject: Ki is an Angel
 
 
 
  It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you
 know
  Ki left this world at 10 this AM.
 
  It was sooo hard for me.  I noticed last night
 that
  his belly looked really full.  The way he was
  breathing was weird also.  You could see his head
 and
  chest moving.  His eyes had brightened up though,
 and
  the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. 
 He
  even ate a few pieces of food by himself.
 
  The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw
  colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein.  My
  biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when
 I
  couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a
 horrible
  death.
 
  Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should
 have
  never put him in with most of the cats.  I
 dunno...I
  could go crazy asking what if's  I guess I
 believed
  he would be one of the lucky ones.  He came from a
  horrible home...many FeLV cats and death.  His
  siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he
 would
  beat it.  It was only a faint pos.  He had a fever
  like this last Nov, but recovered,
 
  I am so grateful for the time I had with him.  He
 came
  to me the week before my beloved Smokey died.  I
  didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in
 the
  bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept
 with
  him.  He was a pistol, and rough to play with!  I
 hope
  he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when
 we
  can all be together forever.
 
  May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in
 his
  care until we meet again.
 
  Dede
 
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 beings, you are only in the 
  service of your God
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Re: Ki is an Angel

2007-06-30 Thread dede hicken
Thanks Susan.  I know you are right.  One can only
take so much exposure to Corona when your immune
system is not so great.  I just don't get why some get
it and some don't.  I suppose if I could answer that,
I'd get the Pulitzer.

I will always wonder, though, if I had isolated him
with a smaller number of catsOh well, I will never
know.  And here i was worried that he'd infect
someone.  They are so fragile.

Sorry about your little one, too.  Ki came to me in
July, too.  He was only 12 wks old.  It just takes
time, I guess.

Dede


--- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dede,
 Please do not blame yourself for Ki's death, life
 happens and stress is a 
 big part of that.
 
 It is not avoidable.
 
 I understand how you feel though.
 
 My Serenity came to me last July from a
 Frankenbreeder situation, and she 
 was afraid of her own shadow.
 
 She had never seen a toy before, and she stuck to
 Princess Naughty Lola like 
 glue.
 
 They came from the same House of Squalor.  :(
 
 Everyday she began to trust me more, and nothing
 warmed my heart more than 
 hearing her begin to bat her toys around, espeically
 in the middle of the 
 night.  :)
 
 And watching her devour her food, trying new ones,
 when before she barely 
 was fed enough to sustain herself.
 
 Chronic URI and severe ringworm also was in the mix.
  (Just like w/ 
 Pugsley).
 
 However, she also came to me unspayed, and since she
 was a cruelty 
 confiscation being housed @ our local pound, spaying
 her was a must.
 
 Once she was spayed, it was just a few weeks before
 her wet FIP symptoms 
 began to show up.
 
 I still blame myself to this day, I only had her 5
 months but she really 
 grabbed my heart (as tiny and coal black as it may
 be) and squeezed it very 
 hard.
 
 Watching her go downhill literally tore me up.
 
 I have heard, though, letting a felv+ cat
 continously go into heat is 
 actually more stressful than spaying them.
 
 Anyone have any thoughts on this?
 
 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra lay
 in state,
Faithful Bast at
 her side did wait,
Purring welcomes
 of soft applause,
Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.
  Trajan
 Tennent
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM
 Subject: Ki is an Angel
 
 
 
 It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you
 know
 Ki left this world at 10 this AM.
 
 It was sooo hard for me.  I noticed last night that
 his belly looked really full.  The way he was
 breathing was weird also.  You could see his head
 and
 chest moving.  His eyes had brightened up though,
 and
 the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. 
 He
 even ate a few pieces of food by himself.
 
 The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw
 colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein.  My
 biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I
 couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible
 death.
 
 Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have
 never put him in with most of the cats.  I dunno...I
 could go crazy asking what if's  I guess I
 believed
 he would be one of the lucky ones.  He came from a
 horrible home...many FeLV cats and death.  His
 siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would
 beat it.  It was only a faint pos.  He had a fever
 like this last Nov, but recovered,
 
 I am so grateful for the time I had with him.  He
 came
 to me the week before my beloved Smokey died.  I
 didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the
 bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept
 with
 him.  He was a pistol, and rough to play with!  I
 hope
 he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we
 can all be together forever.
 
 May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in
 his
 care until we meet again.
 
 Dede
 
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Re: Ki is an Angel

2007-06-30 Thread dede hicken
Thanks Cassandra.  No problem with the crying.  I let
Ki's brother Chi out into the main house today.  He is
running around and being obnoxious.  I keep grabbing
him to hug, and he gets annoyed!!  They are almost
alike except Ki had more white on his front paws and a
white muzzle...both beautiful tabby boys with white
feet.

I don't know for certain either, but logically, if 
you believe all things have spirit, it makes sense
that they live on as we will.  that is a comforting
thought about now.

Dede



--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dede, i'm so sorry that Ki has passed.  It is these
 days that are the 
 hardest to get through.  When Tomi left me, I
 alternated between not being 
 able to believe he was gone, and feeling like he's
 been gone forever.  It 
 hurts so much, but try to think of him often, and
 allow yourself to cry as 
 much as you need to.
 
 Though i'm not always sure, I try to believe that
 their spirits live on, and 
 something happened with Tomi that makes me a little
 more certain that 
 perhaps their spirits do persist.  A few hours after
 Tomi died, I leaned 
 over to kiss his forehead.  In that exact moment,
 when I opened my eyes and 
 looked at him, there was a rainbow across his face. 
 I have a kitty ornament 
 in the window that my dad gave me years ago, and the
 sun was reflecting 
 through it in such a way at that exact time, that it
 shone on his face in a 
 rainbow of color.  Could it have been a coincidence?
  I suppose so, but that 
 is sure a crazy coincidence if that's all it was.
 
 Maybe Tomi and Ki are introducing themselves to each
 other right now, and 
 telling each other all about us.
 
 Cassandra
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM
 Subject: Ki is an Angel
 
 
 
  It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you
 know
  Ki left this world at 10 this AM.
 
  It was sooo hard for me.  I noticed last night
 that
  his belly looked really full.  The way he was
  breathing was weird also.  You could see his head
 and
  chest moving.  His eyes had brightened up though,
 and
  the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. 
 He
  even ate a few pieces of food by himself.
 
  The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw
  colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein.  My
  biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when
 I
  couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a
 horrible
  death.
 
  Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should
 have
  never put him in with most of the cats.  I
 dunno...I
  could go crazy asking what if's  I guess I
 believed
  he would be one of the lucky ones.  He came from a
  horrible home...many FeLV cats and death.  His
  siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he
 would
  beat it.  It was only a faint pos.  He had a fever
  like this last Nov, but recovered,
 
  I am so grateful for the time I had with him.  He
 came
  to me the week before my beloved Smokey died.  I
  didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in
 the
  bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept
 with
  him.  He was a pistol, and rough to play with!  I
 hope
  he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when
 we
  can all be together forever.
 
  May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in
 his
  care until we meet again.
 
  Dede
 
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 beings, you are only in the 
  service of your God
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Re: Ki is an Angel

2007-06-30 Thread dede hicken
Thanks Wendy. It means a lot to have you say that.

Dede
--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Dede,
 
 
 I am so sorry about Ki.  You were wonderful to him;
 don't regret one minute the things you did for him
 out
 of love.  He knows you loved him dearly.
 
 :)
 Wendy
 
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Re: Ki is an Angel

2007-06-30 Thread dede hicken
I wish I could say I deliberately did this.  I swore I
never would.  When these 4 kitens came into foster
care, they neded a home for 2 of them...I got to
choose.  I picked the 2 tabbies.After I had them 2
weeks, I noticed Ki had 2 huge nodes in his neck.  We
treated that, and tested him...Surprise.  I was
shocked and frightened. I'm not sure I would have
volontarity done this.  I have 3 FIV cats.  One of
them is diabetic, one has stomatitis.  I have another
with severe stomatitis, and one asthmatic.

I go from day to day. Life is a gift.  When I take a
furkid, it is a commitment for better or worse, in
sickness and in health so to speak.  You cn't throw
them away because they are not pefect.

I have been truly blessed by my fur-family

Dede  (who is sorry for the chit chat)   



--- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And thank you.
 
 When I lost Serenity, I felt like the floor opened
 me up and swallowed me.
 
 Like I said, I had only had her 5 months, and my vet
 and his wife (who have 
 several felv+ cats, and Dr. Smith is constantly
 doing research, even @ 73 
 yrs.) warned me that when she becomes symptomatic,
 she could go very fast, 
 it just depends.
 
 I was s glad they were there for me.
 
 Felv+, I have been told, can kill a cat so many
 different ways...
 
 Or, their body can go, but the mind is sharp as a
 tack.
 
 I have a good client that has only had felv+ cats,
 his limit is 3.
 
 The reason being, 4 is an unlucky number for him, if
 he has 3 and gets a 
 4th, one dies really soon afterwards.
 
 He is an international pilot for UPS, and has been
 for 25+ yrs.  (cha 
 ching$)
 
 He is down to one felv+ cat, and he has sworn off.
 
 Ever seen a very big, macho Texas man cry like a
 baby while holding his cat 
 @ the vet's?
 
 Not pretty.
 
 The good thing is, he only has been working 10 days
 per month (10 days on, 
 20 days off), and when Chairman Meow leaves him, he
 plans to work more and 
 donate a lot more money.
 
 In otherwords, he has been just working his minimum
 to be w/ his cats, but 
 once they are all gone, he will fly more and of
 course, have more money.
 
 Right now he is a very big donor, always there for
 my project kitties.
 
 When he retires in a few years, he really hopes to
 start a sanctuary, and he 
 will have a lot of people to help him.
 
 I don't know, I have always said that, it takes a
 very special purrson to 
 have a felv+ cat, unconditional love, also..
 
 LOTS of people are even afraid of them.
 
 I recently had 2 people over on separate occasions
 that would not even enter 
 my felv+ room, they just looked through the door.
 
 They were really afraid of taking it home to their
 cats.
 
 I understand that it is a very delicate
 virus
 
 I just call them my little bubble kitties.
  :)...
 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra lay
 in state,
Faithful Bast at
 her side did wait,
Purring welcomes
 of soft applause,
Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.
  Trajan
 Tennent
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:53 PM
 Subject: Re: Ki is an Angel
 
 
 Thanks Susan.  I know you are right.  One can only
 take so much exposure to Corona when your immune
 system is not so great.  I just don't get why some
 get
 it and some don't.  I suppose if I could answer
 that,
 I'd get the Pulitzer.
 
 I will always wonder, though, if I had isolated him
 with a smaller number of catsOh well, I will
 never
 know.  And here i was worried that he'd infect
 someone.  They are so fragile.
 
 Sorry about your little one, too.  Ki came to me in
 July, too.  He was only 12 wks old.  It just takes
 time, I guess.
 
 Dede
 
 
 
 


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Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp

2007-06-29 Thread dede hicken
Laurie,

I am facing the exact same thing as you are at the
moment except Ki won't eat.

The metacam worked for us, but the minute he was off
it, the fever started again. The bloodwork should come
back today, but i know he is amemic.  We tried
Clavamox, clindrops, and baytril.  We are now on a new
thing for me, anyway...delta albaplex.  It has pred
and a few antibiotics. Fever is still up and down, but
doesn't seem to be quite as high when it spikes.

I ordered immuno-regulan (sp) from revival.  Should be
here today.  People on this list have recommended it. 
They can chime in a tell you about it.

Needless to say, Iam very fustrated and worried.  We
adopted Ki at 12 wks old.  I just couldn't give him
back.  I had never had an FeLV cat before...had
everything else, it seems.  I love him very much, and
so want him to make it.

Stay on the list, and folks will help you.

Dede and Ki



--- laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi. We rescued a one to two year old cat about 5
 weeks ago. She has had a temp anywhere from normal
 (June 19) to 107 (June 26). Her blood work this week
 indicates she has a low white blood count and is
 also anemic. She has no other symptoms (other than
 recent lethargy) and is still interested in food. 
 
 We started interferon 7 days on/ 7 days off 2 1/2
 weeks ago. Isabella's temp was normal after the 7
 days on and 107 after 7 days off. The interferon was
 started again 3 nights ago and today's temp was
 104.2. She has weighed 8.5, 8.4, 8.9 (10 days ago ~
 this was also the day her temp was normal). Tuesday,
 June 26, she weighed 8.8 and today 8.7. She got
 fluids Tuesday and today (Thursday).
 
 We are also giving her feline transfer factor. She
 was on Clavamox for about a week and then switched
 to Zeniquin( for about 16 days now) when her temp
 was 105.5. Discontinued Zeniquin today and started
 an anti-inflammatory (metacam, I believe) that she
 will take for 3 days. 
 
 She is a wonderful companion. Easy to care for.
 Impeccable manners. Talks and purrs and plays when
 she feels good. If anyone has suggestions about why
 the temp and what to do about the temp, WBC and RBC,
 we would be grateful. Thanks!
 ps we applied Revolution May 23 and June 23. She
 reacted with fur on end June 23. 
 
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Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp

2007-06-29 Thread dede hicken
Sally, what is manapol, what kind of fish oil, and
where do you order the Transfactor Factor?  Geez, I
have 2 cats with stomatitis.  Wonder how the IR would
do with those?

Thanks,
Dede




--- Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi
 
 Junior went through this last fall. In addition to
 antibiotics he also did
 the immunoregulin. I think that was what got him
 past the fevers and anemia.
 He also had gingivitis that the IR took care of. Is
 he out of the woods no.
 He is still here and stable.
 
 I do the IR monthly as maintenance sub Q. He got the
 original protocol IV.
 He also gets Transfer Factor, Manapol, and fish oil.
 I am hoping he does not
 have to go back on the metacam.  For now he will get
 a break from it.
 
 Good Luck
 
 Sally
 
 
 On 6/28/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
   Hi. We rescued a one to two year old cat about 5
 weeks ago. She has had a
  temp anywhere from normal (June 19) to 107 (June
 26). Her blood work this
  week indicates she has a low white blood count and
 is also anemic. She has
  no other symptoms (other than recent lethargy) and
 is still interested in
  food.
 
  We started interferon 7 days on/ 7 days off 2 1/2
 weeks ago. Isabella's
  temp was normal after the 7 days on and 107 after
 7 days off. The interferon
  was started again 3 nights ago and today's temp
 was 104.2. She has weighed
  8.5, 8.4, 8.9 (10 days ago ~ this was also the day
 her temp was normal).
  Tuesday, June 26, she weighed 8.8 and today 8.7.
 She got fluids Tuesday
  and today (Thursday).
 
  We are also giving her feline transfer factor. She
 was on Clavamox for
  about a week and then switched to Zeniquin( for
 about 16 days now) when her
  temp was 105.5. Discontinued Zeniquin today and
 started an
  anti-inflammatory (metacam, I believe) that she
 will take for 3 days.
 
  She is a wonderful companion. Easy to care for.
 Impeccable manners. Talks
  and purrs and plays when she feels good. If anyone
 has suggestions about why
  the temp and what to do about the temp, WBC and
 RBC, we would be grateful.
  Thanks!
  ps we applied Revolution May 23 and June 23. She
 reacted with fur on end
  June 23.
 
  Laurie
 
 
 
 
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IR issues

2007-06-29 Thread dede hicken

Just got my order of IR, and my vet just confirmed the
dose.  On their package it says to give once a week
for 2 weeks, and then once a month for 20 months or
until the IFA or ELISA comes back negative???

That is quite a claim.  Anyway the tech said i could
do IM as well as subQ.  Any of you IR users have any
comments on this???

Dede and KI

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Re: Suzie, for visualization

2007-06-28 Thread dede hicken
Kelly, she is so regal!  She looks likemy Gemini. She
is the one I accidently left in Fl.  My daughters will
fly up with her this fall.

I am sorry you are going through all this.  With all
the cats I have , I know how you feel.  Things cn
change in a minute.  We love them so much, and the
pain is so intense at times.

We had an FIV cat that we pulled out of severe anemia
last spring, and now I am dealing with Ki. I know it
can go either way, and there is the knot in the pit of
my stomach because I know that.  I will do my best,
and pray a lot for him and your Susie.

God bless, and give you peace,
Dede




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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

2007-06-28 Thread dede hicken
Kelly, I am so sorry.  I wish I could say something
profound to take away your pain.  May God bless you,
and Suzie...who is free and happy at this moment.

Dede and Ki



--- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but
 didn't like other cats
 much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon
 euthanized her this morning.  I
 wish I had been there, but they said she was
 comatose..
 
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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

2007-06-28 Thread dede hicken
Kelly, You are right about the stress.  We had an
owner surrender at our shelter in Fl.  He was 5 yrs
old, and had never known anyone else.  He just sat on
top of a cabinet and literally tried to starve.

We took him home, and he is OK except for severe
stomatitis.  Clearly, it can affect the immune system.

The other issue we ran into last year was Panleuk.  It
was a virulent strain.  100's of cats died in good
shelters.  In each case, a rescue cat brought it in. 
It was the worst esperience of my life, burying 40+
cats from this one group.  It broke my heart.  I know
your funds are shot, but a necropsy with a tox screen
might help you.

Dede and Ki
--- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm thinking, Hideyo.
 
 Stress can bring on FIP, right?
 
 We have Joey, who was 10, and an owner surrender.
 
 We have Lucky Lady, who is 12 and was an owner
 surrender and I don't think
 will live much longer.
 
 We have Caroline, who is 5 and an owner surrender.
 
 We have Suzie, who was 5 and a stray, but from how
 affectionate she was and
 the fact she was spayed already, she was clearly
 someone's cat.
 
 I think it is some kind of stress related illness. 
 I don't think it is
 bleach or cleaning stuff or asbestos.  I think
 something is stressing these
 cats badly enough to kill them.  I tried to save too
 many and I'm killing
 them instead.
 
 I do have another old cat who seems ok..but he came
 from outside...and he is
 just happy to have a warm place to sleep.
 
 The kittens are all ok, except for conjunctivitis..
 
 I just don't know...
 
 
 On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I understand - I agree with you - it seems very
 very unusal - after you
  mentioned her age, I was skeptical of the idea
 that she had FIP -are you
  thinking of doing any further findings to see what
 caused her illness?
 
  - Original Message -
  *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:44 AM
  *Subject:* Re: Suzie crossed the bridge
 
 
  I just really didn't think she had FIP...she was
 just 5...
 
  On 6/28/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Kelley - I am so sorry - it's just so sad - I
 wish you could have been
   there with her, too.  Please know that she is no
 longer in pain and free
   from the body which did not allow her to do all
 the things she wanted to do
   -- now she is free - nothing is going to prevent
 her from being happy and
   healthy again.
  
   Much love to you and Angel Suzie.
  
   hideyo
  
   - Original Message -
   *From:* Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   *To:* felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:37 AM
   *Subject:* Suzie crossed the bridge
  
  
   She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps,
 but didn't like other
   cats much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon
 euthanized her this
   morning.  I wish I had been there, but they said
 she was comatose..
  
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Re: need advice quick

2007-06-28 Thread dede hicken
Thank you, Wendy. His fever keeps going up and down,
but not down enough.  The IR should be here tomorrow,
and so should the blood test results.  He is still not
eating, but I am feeding him the liver shake.  Between
that, and the fluids he is nicely hydrated.  She also
put him on linotinic.

I am trying to keep him cool, by sponging, and a fan. 
Wish I had a cooling blanket.  He doesn't seem any
worse, infact, he is moving around more.



--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 IR dosage for 8 lb. cat is .25 to .5 mL.  The
 generic
 for IR that Revival Animal has is EqStim, I believe.
 
 I think you have to get Epogen through your vet, but
 not sure on that.  It goes under several names
 (Procrit, etc.) 
 
 :)
 Wendy
 
 --- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Just got back from the vet.  She put him on Delta
  Albaplex.  It has several antibiotics and
  prednisolone.  We are to use it for 5 days.
  
  Took blood.  She said it looked thin.  His gums
 are
  OK, but it looks like he is amemic.
  
  I called Revival.  The IR is only 5ml.  How much
 do
  you use at a time?
  
  Where do you get epogen and how much is it?  Vet
  didn't know about it.
  
  She is not optimistic, of course, but is doing her
  best, I believe.
  
  Say a prayer for mylittle guy.
  
  Dede and Ki
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: IR-sub Q???

2007-06-28 Thread dede hicken
Wendy, one other thing, my vet said the IR has to be
given IV.  I heard on the list that youcan do it sub
Q.  I canNOT do IV.  Vet said she had never seen IR
work, but like everything else, it depends on the cat
and the circumstances.

Spud, my FIV had an HCT of 12 in Feb.  Treated for
toxo, gave linotinic, prednisolone (for severe
stomatitis) and niacinamide.  His HCT is 22 now.  Not
perfect, but doable.  He eats like a pig now.

BTW, m also giving Ki B 12 injections.  Can't hurt.

Dede 



--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thank goodness for that!  I hope that the IR breaks
 those fevers.  I have a good feeling, after
 witnessing
 Smokey's situation via Cindy, which was very
 touch-and-go, that things will be good for Ki too!
 
 :)
 Wendy
 
 --- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Thank you, Wendy. His fever keeps going up and
 down,
  but not down enough.  The IR should be here
  tomorrow,
  and so should the blood test results.  He is still
  not
  eating, but I am feeding him the liver shake. 
  Between
  that, and the fluids he is nicely hydrated.  She
  also
  put him on linotinic.
  
  I am trying to keep him cool, by sponging, and a
  fan. 
  Wish I had a cooling blanket.  He doesn't seem any
  worse, infact, he is moving around more.
  
  
  
  --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   IR dosage for 8 lb. cat is .25 to .5 mL.  The
   generic
   for IR that Revival Animal has is EqStim, I
  believe.
   
   I think you have to get Epogen through your vet,
  but
   not sure on that.  It goes under several names
   (Procrit, etc.) 
   
   :)
   Wendy
   
   --- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
Just got back from the vet.  She put him on
  Delta
Albaplex.  It has several antibiotics and
prednisolone.  We are to use it for 5 days.

Took blood.  She said it looked thin.  His
 gums
   are
OK, but it looks like he is amemic.

I called Revival.  The IR is only 5ml.  How
 much
   do
you use at a time?

Where do you get epogen and how much is it? 
 Vet
didn't know about it.

She is not optimistic, of course, but is doing
  her
best, I believe.

Say a prayer for mylittle guy.

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Ki's fever is up again

2007-06-27 Thread dede hicken

I am so frustrated.  I can only give the metacan 3x's
a week, and the stuff makes me jittery anyway.  His
fever goes up and down.  I have him laying next to a
cold pack right now, and i have sponged him off.  His
temp is 105.3...again.  We have been out of that range
for a few days.

He won't eat, and i am giving him fluids.  Went to the
store this AM and will try the famous liver shake.  He
doesn't look anemic, though, just sick.

We are going back to the vets at 2 today, and I told
them they need to do blood work...enough of this crap.
  Anybody know any other way to get a fever down?


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Re: Ki's fever is up again

2007-06-27 Thread dede hicken
No, it is not.  I am going to ask about it.  Didn't
you have a cat withthis?  Did you give the IR when he
had it?  I know you sid it has kept him from having
them, but did it help when he was sick?  Is it
espensive?

Dede


--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is IR out of the question?
 
 :)
 Wendy
 
 --- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  I am so frustrated.  I can only give the metacan
  3x's
  a week, and the stuff makes me jittery anyway. 
 His
  fever goes up and down.  I have him laying next to
 a
  cold pack right now, and i have sponged him off. 
  His
  temp is 105.3...again.  We have been out of that
  range
  for a few days.
  
  He won't eat, and i am giving him fluids.  Went to
  the
  store this AM and will try the famous liver shake.
 
  He
  doesn't look anemic, though, just sick.
  
  We are going back to the vets at 2 today, and I
 told
  them they need to do blood work...enough of this
  crap.
Anybody know any other way to get a fever down?
  
  
  Please think of us. 
  
  Dede and Ki
  
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Re: Ki's fever is up again

2007-06-27 Thread dede hicken
What is Winstrol?   Is it for fever?  BTW, I have him
down to 103 with sponging his coat, and being by a
fan.  He is also laying next to a cold pack.
He must be comfortable because he hasn't moved. ( and
he CAN move whenhe sees that thermometer)

He just ate a piece of raw liver!!! (Uck, but to each
his own)

Dede


--- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just from my own experience with Smokey.  He had
 high
 fevers like Ki and the vet started him on Winstrol
 to
 help him feel better and IR. I truly believe the IR
 helped him get over the fevers.  I gave it to him
 subq.  I know it says IV but subq has worked so far
 with him.
 
 Cindy Reasoner
 
 --- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  I am so frustrated.  I can only give the metacan
  3x's
  a week, and the stuff makes me jittery anyway. 
 His
  fever goes up and down.  I have him laying next to
 a
  cold pack right now, and i have sponged him off. 
  His
  temp is 105.3...again.  We have been out of that
  range
  for a few days.
  
  He won't eat, and i am giving him fluids.  Went to
  the
  store this AM and will try the famous liver shake.
 
  He
  doesn't look anemic, though, just sick.
  
  We are going back to the vets at 2 today, and I
 told
  them they need to do blood work...enough of this
  crap.
Anybody know any other way to get a fever down?
  
  
  Please think of us. 
  
  Dede and Ki
  
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Re: Ki's fever is up again

2007-06-27 Thread dede hicken
I had mentioned striods to her, but she said it would
further weaken his immune system.

On another note, you all know we live in rural NY.  I
cannot drive because of a visual problem.  So my
neighbor has been helping me to increase his
Karma...no kidding.

The down side is that if i have to listen to him tell
me to put him down (Ki) one more time, I may make
the local news.  This AM, I finally said to him,
Mike, what about your dog in there?  He has an old
dog on 3 different pain meds, and is skin and bones. 
He said, i know, i just can't do it.

Don't people know about getting an animal THROUGH a
crisis?  Geez, you don't just kill them because they
get sick, you do it when they are very very sick,
misserable, and can't get better.

Dede and Ki



--- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It is a steroid.  The vet gave Smokey this because
 she
 said it would help him to feel better and to feel
 like
 eating. He only got the Winstrol injections every 2
 weeks about 3 times. When Smokey first started on
 the
 IR he had a fever.  We gave him 2 injections per
 week
 for about a month and gradually decreased it.
 
 Cindy Reasoner
 
 --- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  What is Winstrol?   Is it for fever?  BTW, I have
  him
  down to 103 with sponging his coat, and being by a
  fan.  He is also laying next to a cold pack.
  He must be comfortable because he hasn't moved. (
  and
  he CAN move whenhe sees that thermometer)
  
  He just ate a piece of raw liver!!! (Uck, but to
  each
  his own)
  
  Dede
  
  
  --- cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  
   Just from my own experience with Smokey.  He had
   high
   fevers like Ki and the vet started him on
 Winstrol
   to
   help him feel better and IR. I truly believe the
  IR
   helped him get over the fevers.  I gave it to
 him
   subq.  I know it says IV but subq has worked so
  far
   with him.
   
   Cindy Reasoner
   
   --- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   

I am so frustrated.  I can only give the
 metacan
3x's
a week, and the stuff makes me jittery anyway.
 
   His
fever goes up and down.  I have him laying
 next
  to
   a
cold pack right now, and i have sponged him
 off.
  
His
temp is 105.3...again.  We have been out of
 that
range
for a few days.

He won't eat, and i am giving him fluids. 
 Went
  to
the
store this AM and will try the famous liver
  shake.
   
He
doesn't look anemic, though, just sick.

We are going back to the vets at 2 today, and
 I
   told
them they need to do blood work...enough of
 this
crap.
  Anybody know any other way to get a fever
  down?


Please think of us. 

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need advice quick

2007-06-27 Thread dede hicken
Just got back from the vet.  She put him on Delta
Albaplex.  It has several antibiotics and
prednisolone.  We are to use it for 5 days.

Took blood.  She said it looked thin.  His gums are
OK, but it looks like he is amemic.

I called Revival.  The IR is only 5ml.  How much do
you use at a time?

Where do you get epogen and how much is it?  Vet
didn't know about it.

She is not optimistic, of course, but is doing her
best, I believe.

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Ki update

2007-06-25 Thread dede hicken

Ki seems to be a bit better.  He is snacking on dry
food.  Won't eat wet unless it's raw chicken.

Fever got down to 102.8 yesterday, and is back up to
103 this AM.  At least he is out of the 104 range.  I
dunno.  He could be a lot worse off as we all know.

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Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda

2007-06-25 Thread dede hicken
What sweet and beautiful pictures.  They are so close.
 I am certain they are happy together now.

Dede



--- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Cassandra,
 
 I'm so very sorry for your loss.
 
 Kelley
 
 On 6/25/07, C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Thank you all so much for your thoughts and
 prayers.  Knowing there are
  people out there who truly understand and care
 without having ever met
  myself or my babies means so much to me.  This is
 a link to a picture I made
  the first time Tomi was sick, and have since had
 printed and framed (Tomi is
  on the left, Kisa on the right):
 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/FirstSpacetrip5.jpg
  .  Now that they are both gone, I guess it is even
 more fitting.
 
  Here is another pic that I like of them:
 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/Kissing.jpg
 
  Today is still pretty tough for me.  I still can
 hear Tomi's cries at the
  end, and it is breaking my heart.  Everytime I
 think of it, I just feel like
  punching something.  I felt so useless and
 terrified for him.
 
  I realize I lost my best friend after my husband
 yesterday.  Even if we were
  to get another kitten or two one day, I don't
 think i'll ever have as close
  a bond again as I did with Tomi.  I just wish he
 could have stayed for
  longer than the 2.5 years I had with him.  My
 house feels so empty now.  I
  can no longer give my little boy a good long hug
 when I feel upset.
 
  Cassandra
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: C  J
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:05 PM
  Subject: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda
 
 
  I've just lost my closest friend other than my
 husband.  Tomi and I have had
  a special bond ever since my husband brought him
 home.  My husband was out
  walking the dog by the river in October of 2004,
 on a cold and rainy day.
  There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and
 wet, and my husband
  couldn't just leave him there.  I wasn't impressed
 at first, since we
  already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly won me over. 
 I've had a very close
  bond with him ever since.
 
  He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there
 was a strange noise or
  person, we often wondered how my husband was able
 to catch him to bring him
  home.  His tail had been broken at the end at one
 time too, it sort of
  looked like a question mark when it was straight
 up.  Tomi quickly came
  around though and trusted us, though he still
 always hid when any strangers
  came to the house.
 
  Tomi was the type of loving boy that always
 acknowledged your presence when
  you touched him or talked to him...or even looked
 at him sometimes.  He
  never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave
 him too many hugs/kisses,
  and never got angry.
 
  3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and
 had FeLV, I was
  devastated.  I watched him slowly decline for
 nearly 2 months until he
  crashed and I was sure he would die.  Amazingly he
 bounced back and gave me
  another good 8 weeks with him.  Except during this
 time I had to watch Koda
  and Kisa (Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so
 I didn't get to spend as
  much time with my Tomi as I would have liked.
 
  Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12,
 Tomi got sick and crashed
  again with the anemia.  He was having a hard time
 breathing, and again he
  bounced back.  Last week he had a huge appetite,
 eating everything I gave
  him, and drank lots of water.  Yesterday, he
 started to crash again.
 
  Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave
 him and still drinking,
  but his breathing was becoming more labored.  Then
 around noon, he began
  panting, and I watched him die in a way that will
 haunt me forever.  He was
  so scared and crying because he couldn't catch his
 breath.  This is
  absolutely the worse thing i've ever experienced.
 
  A huge part of the happiness in my life is now
 gone.  I guess i'll just
  wander around like a zombie for awhile, and maybe
 the pain will eventually
  turn to numbness.
 
  Thank you all for the support you've given me
 through all of this.  It looks
  like this ordeal that has been going on nonstop
 since March 9 is now over.
 
  Cassandra
 
  
 
 
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Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda

2007-06-24 Thread dede hicken
Cassandra, My heart is broken for your losses.  I
can't imagine your grief.   How blessed these special
babies were to have had you to love them.  I wiah I
could say something to help.  You are in my thoughts
and prayers.

Dede



--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've just lost my closest friend other than my
 husband.  Tomi and I have had a special bond ever
 since my husband brought him home.  My husband was
 out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004,
 on a cold and rainy day.  There was a kitten crying
 in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't
 just leave him there.  I wasn't impressed at first,
 since we already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly won me
 over.  I've had a very close bond with him ever
 since.
 
 He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there
 was a strange noise or person, we often wondered how
 my husband was able to catch him to bring him home. 
 His tail had been broken at the end at one time too,
 it sort of looked like a question mark when it was
 straight up.  Tomi quickly came around though and
 trusted us, though he still always hid when any
 strangers came to the house.
 
 Tomi was the type of loving boy that always
 acknowledged your presence when you touched him or
 talked to him...or even looked at him sometimes.  He
 never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him
 too many hugs/kisses, and never got angry.
 
 3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and
 had FeLV, I was devastated.  I watched him slowly
 decline for nearly 2 months until he crashed and I
 was sure he would die.  Amazingly he bounced back
 and gave me another good 8 weeks with him.  Except
 during this time I had to watch Koda and Kisa
 (Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't
 get to spend as much time with my Tomi as I would
 have liked.
 
 Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12,
 Tomi got sick and crashed again with the anemia.  He
 was having a hard time breathing, and again he
 bounced back.  Last week he had a huge appetite,
 eating everything I gave him, and drank lots of
 water.  Yesterday, he started to crash again.
 
 Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave
 him and still drinking, but his breathing was
 becoming more labored.  Then around noon, he began
 panting, and I watched him die in a way that will
 haunt me forever.  He was so scared and crying
 because he couldn't catch his breath.  This is
 absolutely the worse thing i've ever experienced.  
 
 A huge part of the happiness in my life is now gone.
  I guess i'll just wander around like a zombie for
 awhile, and maybe the pain will eventually turn to
 numbness.
 
 Thank you all for the support you've given me
 through all of this.  It looks like this ordeal that
 has been going on nonstop since March 9 is now over.
 
 Cassandra


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Re: Ki just got back from vet

2007-06-22 Thread dede hicken
Thanks.  I have used Metacam before..know it is VERY
important to watch the dose.  She thought it would
help bring his fever down.  He is on Baytril, clin.
and an immune booster made by standard process.  Not
eating well, and still has the fever.

Dede
--- Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Dede,
Be very careful with the metacam and keep an eye
 out for anything 
 that might suggest kidney problems, it is a
 dangerous drug and has been 
 known to bring on Chronic Renal Failure.  There are
 several cats on the 
 CRF group I'm on that have had this happen, one
 recently passed away 
 from it.
 
 Not trying to scare you just letting you know.  Why
 is he on the metacam?
 
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Re: Ki just got back from vet

2007-06-22 Thread dede hicken
I take his temp.  Since I last posted, Ki ate some RAW
chicken.  I couldn't believe it.  I was desparate, so
tried it.  It seems as though his tail is fine.  It's
just this fever and hypersensitivity thing.

As I said before, my vet wanted to try the homeopathic
immune booster by Standard Process.  I hope it works,
because if this happens again, I WILL get the IR and
do it.  This has really wipped the poor guy.

Dede



--- Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dede,
 How do you know he still has a fever? Do you take
 his temperature
 or bring him to the vet to have it taken?
 
 I hope the Baytril works. How is his tail?
 
 Jane
 
 
 On Jun 22, 2007, at 4:13 PM, cindy reasoner wrote:
 
  Dede,
 
  I would try the immuno regulin.  It helped Smokey
 with
  his fevers.
 
  Cindy Reasoner
 
  --- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Thanks.  I have used Metacam before..know it is
 VERY
  important to watch the dose.  She thought it
 would
  help bring his fever down.  He is on Baytril,
 clin.
  and an immune booster made by standard process. 
 Not
  eating well, and still has the fever.
 
  Dede
  --- Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Dede,
 Be very careful with the metacam and keep an
  eye
  out for anything
  that might suggest kidney problems, it is a
  dangerous drug and has been
  known to bring on Chronic Renal Failure.  There
  are
  several cats on the
  CRF group I'm on that have had this happen, one
  recently passed away
  from it.
 
  Not trying to scare you just letting you know.
  Why
  is he on the metacam?
 
  --  
 
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Re: Ki still has a fever

2007-06-21 Thread dede hicken
Thank you Belinda.  I am off to the vet with Ki this
AM. He still has a fever of 104.5  He did eat a little
last nite and this AM, though.  So, I am hoping that
it it not a big deal.  The last time, I had to add
clin. to the baytril.  So, i gave him a dose last
nite.  I will hold off on anything today until he sees
the vet.

My hubby will be here on July 1st. for good.  Looking
forward to that.  Just pray he gets a job soon.  These
critters cost $

Dede




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 things from here and 
 have gotten everything very quickly, their prices
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Ki just got back from vet

2007-06-21 Thread dede hicken

-OK, the vet DID have FortiFlora.  The girl at the
desk is not too smart.

She also told me to continue the clin. with the
baytril. The other product she sold me was called
Feline immune system support by Standard Process.  I
had asked her about the IR and she said to try
something homeopathic first.  She also put him on
metacam for a few days.

The other thing about him I didn't mention is that he
is really jumpy, like an overactive startle reflex
(which has gotten better in the last few days)  Anyone
ever see that before?

Thanks,
Dede

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Re: Please add Tsunade to CLS

2007-06-21 Thread dede hicken
Chelsea, Others on the list can advise you on
spreading FeLV, but I just wanted to say how sorry I
was for your loss.  I remember you when I joined.  You
will be able to open your heart to another furkid. 
There are so many waiting to be loved by someone just
like you.

Dede




--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello, I have not been able to keep up with this
 list much because things have been really chaotic in
 my life lately.  Unfortunately, my sweet kitty
 Tsunade got very sick about 7 weeks ago.  Several
 vet trips found that she had a huge amount of white
 bllood cells, so she was put on interfron and
 vitamins.  She had her ups and downs but finally wed
 June 16 I made the decision to have her put down. 
 She was howling (loud and painful) all night and she
 could not walk.  She could not even hold her head
 straight.  Tsunade was only about a year and a half
 old.  She was my only kitty. I dont know if I will
 be able to get a kitten later this summer, but if I
 did could I reuse the cat condo and scratching post
 Tsunade had?  Is there a good way to sterilize the
 leukemia germs or will I need to throw it away
 (already threw away water bowls and litter box)?
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Ki still has a fever

2007-06-20 Thread dede hicken

Well, the vet is out for the day.  This is only the
2nd day of baytril.  His fever is 104, and he won't
eat.  Seems to be drinking, though.  He is a stinker
to feed.

The vet doesn't carry any probiotics.  Where cn i get
the fortiflora (sp)?.. Any ideas on how to bring the
fever down?  I have a few meds here.  

I HATE it when they are sick!!!

Dede

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Ki

2007-06-19 Thread dede hicken
Remember i told you all that Ki had a fever last week?
 They couldn't find a reason why at this time, and put
him on Clavamox.

He still has his 3rd eyelid showing a bit, and just
doesn't seem right.  He isn't eating well either.  I
have called the vet and asked for advice.  The fever
is still low grade.  It sounds to me like we need to
change antibiotics.  Any ideas?

Thanks,
Dede

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Re: Ki

2007-06-19 Thread dede hicken
No idea.  The vet changed him to baytril.  I looked up
his records, and saw that he was on that the last time
he did this, which ws in Nov of 06.  He seemed to have
a sore tail then, and we figured someone bit him.  He
won't eat, but I will give him some more AD, and do
fluids.  Hopefully the Baytril will kick in.

He just looks so sad, but he is waking around. I am
not going to put him back into the general population
of cats after this.


















What a day.  At least Whiskers hasn't thrown up since
I gave her the Reglan.  Worry, worry, worry.  Oh well,
we all know it could be much worse.

Dede


--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dede,
 
 No ideas other than what you've suggested.  Fever is
 not necessarily a bad thing as it's the body's
 response to fighting infection.  Any ideas to if and
 where he might have infection?
 
 :)
 Wendy
 
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How is Tomi?

2007-06-17 Thread dede hicken
Cassandra,

Just wanted you to know I was thinking about you and
Tomi.  Hope things are going better for you.  You are
in my thoughts.

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Re: Kisa is gone, thank you all

2007-06-16 Thread dede hicken
Kelly,  I have never heard anyone admit that before,
but i agree with you.  I had a really bad time when my
mom died, but that hasn't been the case with the rest
of my relatives.  When Smokey died last summer...I
could have died.  We were so close, and it hurt so
very much.

In 2005, when our big orange guy, Ginger died
suddenly, I will never forget my husband going in that
room and seeing him.  I heard him crying, and that was
so unlike him.  We both really have emotional bonds
with these guys.  They are so loving, forgiving and
faithful.  It is a pleasure to be taking care of them.

Dede

--- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At 08:33 PM 6/15/2007, you wrote:
 
 Cassandra
   You have been through so very much and I am hoping
 with all my 
 heart that Tomi will show signs of improvement,
 Yes we all understand the pain of loving animals
 with life 
 threatening illnesses and we understand your grief,
 i hate to admit 
 this but I did not have the grief when I lost my dad
 that Ido when I 
 lost one of my sweet babies. Only those here will
 understand.
 all my thoughts and hopes and good energy going to
 you
 Kelly
 
 
 
 I just want to thank you all for your many kind
 words and thoughts 
 regarding Kisa, Koda, and Tomi.
 
 This is one of the few places where I feel
 comfortable sharing how 
 strongly I feel about my babies and how deeply
 saddened I am by 
 their illnesses.  My husband is about the only
 other person who 
 understands how much our kitties mean to both him
 and I.  Most other 
 people I know don't understand the deep bond one
 can have with an animal.
 
 All your replies have meant much to me, and made me
 feel better.  It 
 is amazing that you have never met my babies or I,
 and yet can offer 
 so many words of reassurance.
 
 I am missing Kisa terribly, as she was so much fun
 to have 
 around.  She was the social one, who interacted
 with my other cats, 
 grooming and playing.  Now I have three kitties
 left who have 
 nothing at all to do with each other.  I think they
 all miss her.
 
 Sadly, I am not having much time to grieve for
 Kisa, because I 
 believe Tomi is getting sick again.  The last few
 days, he seems to 
 be getting more anemic again, and he vomited
 tonight.  After he 
 vomited, he was panting for a few seconds.  I'm
 also worried that he 
 hasn't grown back the hair on his neck that was
 shaved 3 months ago 
 for his blood test.  It still looks like it did a
 week after it was shaved.
 I'm thinking of bringing him into the vet again,
 even though they 
 wanted to put him to sleep 2 months ago.  I was
 wondering if his 
 hemobartonella may be coming back, and that should
 be simple enough 
 for them to test for.
 
 I am so scared to have to go through this again so
 soon, and afraid 
 Tomi won't be able to pull off a miracle a second
 time.  I almost 
 feel like we are being punished for something, the
 way this 
 nightmare seems to be unfolding.
 
 Cassandra
 - Original Message -
 From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]C  J
 To:

mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:50 PM
 Subject: Kisa is gone :(
 
 Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work,
 exactly one month 
 after Koda.  My heart is broken, especially since I
 wasn't there 
 with her at the end.
 
 I had prayed and hoped so much that she would
 continue to improve 
 after she started eating again a week and a half
 ago.  I suppose it 
 was just too much for her to overcome.  The anemia
 never really did 
 improve much. Though her breathing was better, her
 skin was so pale.
 
 The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and
 she was getting 
 weaker.  I didn't think today would be the day she
 died, though i'm 
 relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much
 longer.  I don't 
 think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she
 wasn't in pain at 
 the end.  It was just so hard to see her so weak
 when she was as 
 active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago.
 
 Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say.
  She never quite 
 saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with
 us will never be 
 forgotten.  She was special in so many ways, I
 wouldn't even know 
 where to start to list them all.  Fearless, loving,
 gentle, playful, 
 curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that
 describe 
 her.  She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few
 nights, and i'm 
 going to miss her warmth so much.
 
 If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next
 to Koda 
 tonight.  I made a rock garden full of flowers on
 top of Koda's 
 grave.  Now Kisa will join her there.
 
 Cassandra
 
 
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Ki

2007-06-14 Thread dede hicken

Just when you are feeling smug...I looked at Ki
yesterday, and he just didn't look quite right. 
Picked him up and he yowled, and tried to bite me. 
Not like him at all.

Took his temp (have 2 bites on my hand to prove it)
and it was 106.  I couldn't believe it.  Gave him some
fluids.  Another bite. And went to the vet.  They are
calling it FUO, fever of unknown origin.  She gave him
something for the fever, and a penecillin shot. 

He is in a foul mood, but eating well.  Still doesn't
want to be touched.  His gums look good.  I wonder if
someone bit him, and it is the beginning of an abcess?


On the bright side, they are finishing the cat
enclosure on Sat...Yippeee!!!

Have a nice day, everyone,
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Re: Thanks for info (was Re: Wallace not eating or drinking either

2007-06-14 Thread dede hicken
I am sorry you are both going through this right now..
 When Smokey had this disease, I cried a lot.  I
talked to him all the time so he would know how much i
loved him, and how special he was.  I think they know.
 Just as they sense stress, they sense love.

You will know through the guidance of friends and vets
which course to take.

Bless you and give Wallace a head kiss for me.

Dede ( His picture is adorable!)




































he is. They have his picture (with Boo and
 William) in the waiting room, too.  (If you'd like
 to
 see it, it's here: 
 
 http://www.ratemykitten.com/pictures/392/000131996/ 
 )
 
 We won't know what the cancer is until the cytology
 report comes in, Saturday or Tuesday. BEST case at
 this point is lymphoma. Right now, both vets (my vet
 and the sonography specialist vet) think that he has
 adenocarcinoma in his small intestine, invading into
 the mesentery. His stomach wall and other sections
 of
 the small bowel are also thickening.
 
 This is *bad*. Of the two types of tumor, this *is*
 the operable one, but it's big -- 5cm -- and it's
 invaded beyond the small intestine. There's a
 partial
 blockage of the intestine's lumen, too, which is
 causing real concern and is probably why he stopped
 eating.
 
 I'm going to go snuggle my kitty and cry now.
 
 Thanks so much to everybody, esp. those who gave me
 the lymphoma information. Looks like it might be a
 moot point now -- adenocarcinoma is *bad*. Feels
 weird
 to be praying that it might be lymphoma -- as I
 said,
 the cytology report won't be in for a few days.
 
 Advice on enticing a sick kitty to eat is
 appreciated,
 but as he doesn't have FeLeuk/FIV, he's off topic.
 Thank you, though -- everybody here is so generous
 of
 spirit, and helpful. 
 
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Re: Kisa is gone :(

2007-06-12 Thread dede hicken
I am so very sorry.  You read these posts, and hope
against all hope that this one will beat the odds. You
did all the right things with her, and i know she knew
how much she was loved.

Peace and blessings to you,
Dede



--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work,
 exactly one month after Koda.  My heart is broken,
 especially since I wasn't there with her at the end.
 
 I had prayed and hoped so much that she would
 continue to improve after she started eating again a
 week and a half ago.  I suppose it was just too much
 for her to overcome.  The anemia never really did
 improve much. Though her breathing was better, her
 skin was so pale.
 
 The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and
 she was getting weaker.  I didn't think today would
 be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't
 have to go on suffering much longer.  I don't think
 she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in
 pain at the end.  It was just so hard to see her so
 weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3
 weeks ago.
 
 Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say. 
 She never quite saw her 3rd birthday, but the time
 she spent with us will never be forgotten.  She was
 special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where
 to start to list them all.  Fearless, loving,
 gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few
 of the words that describe her.  She's been sleeping
 on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm going to
 miss her warmth so much.
 
 If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to
 Koda tonight.  I made a rock garden full of flowers
 on top of Koda's grave.  Now Kisa will join her
 there.
 
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RE: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading.

2007-06-10 Thread dede hicken
Wow!!  Now THAT was a vent!!!  That said i agree with
Debbie, but there is something more important at stake
here.

I personally have found this list to be one of the
most caring ones around.  You guys were supportive of
me during our move, and even offered suggestions.  Not
one other list was as helpful.  No, it didn't have
much to do with FeLV (although Ki was the ONLY one who
scared the crap out of me during that ordeal.  He is
doing well, anyway...)  but I needed support.  I have
a CRF kitty, one with FIV and diabetes, one with FIV
and stomatitis, one with just stomatitis (just, hah!)
and an asthmatic.  The others are healthy.  But
darnit, I was scared.  No one likes to think about
losing their furkid, and I have lost my share, and
will again.

Point is, we all need a kind word now and again.  And
suggestions, too.  We may not alwys agree, but hey,
they were given from the heart, and we need to be
mature enough to take what we want and keep our
mouth's shut if we don't like them.

The internet brings peoples of all beliefs
together...that is what is so facinating about it! 
One of my best friend is a Pagan.  I don't believe in
all of it, but I learned about it and was surprised!
We are free to take it or leave it  And, if you
decide to leave it, do it with grace.

In friendship,
Dede and Ki (and all the rest)


--- Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was disturbed by the below message. There is
 nothing wrong with people
 believing in certain things. If those things bring
 them comfort how could it
 ever be wrong? I read Phaewryn’s my space blog and
 it seems to me she is
 someone who is dealing with a lot of deep issues.
 She comes across as being
 a very angry and distrusting person. Take it for
 what it is worth – just
 someone blowing off steam. 
 
 It must be a very sad and lonely life if a person
 doesn’t believe strongly
 in something. Faith is the healing force and there
 is nothing wrong with
 saying a prayer. If anything it humbles us enough to
 make us see what is
 truly important in our lives.  Myself, I would say I
 wouldn’t go to any
 psychic readings of any type, but that’s me. I do
 believe there are things
 that are mystical or paranormal, etc…, but I have
 always wondered where
 those powers come from? Good or Evil? Since I don’t
 know then I choose not
 to use them., but if someone else finds comfort in
 it – then that is their
 choice.
 
  
 
  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Marylyn
 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:27 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just
 delete without reading.
 
  
 
 I'm not going to respond to such an awful personal
 attack.  I truly believe
 in AC and know a number of people who practice it. 
 It has worked for me and
 it has worked for them.  I am sorry it has not
 worked for you.  Perhaps one
 day. 
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  If
 you have men who will
 exclude any of God's creatures
 
 from the shelter of
 compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 
 will deal likewise with
 their fellow man.
 
  St.
 Francis
 
 - Original Message - 
 
 From: HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 To: HYPERLINK

mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
 
 Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 2:05 PM
 
 Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just
 delete without reading.
 
  
 
 And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the
 cats in question what they
 would prefer when death is a serious option.
 
  
 
 The idea that any of you actually BELIEVE that
 anyone can psychically
 communicate with an animal is, to me, ABSURD. I
 think the animal
 communication business is a FRAUD taking advantage
 of people and their love
 of their pets (and often, their weakened mental
 status because of
 desperation and stress). There may actually BE good
 people out there who
 REALLY believe they communicate with animals...
 people who are not frauds,
 people with good hearts, but out of touch with
 reality. I'm not saying ALL
 AC's are just out to make a buck or gain fame, but
 really, you can't PROVE
 this stuff exists, and it's proven fact that other
 humans WILL take
 advantage when given a chance! Anyone remember snake
 oil? HELLO?!
 
  
 
 You know what? This list has of recent had SO MANY
 emails about animal
 communication, that it seems to be THE answer to
 EVERYTHING! I just can't
 fathom the emotional susceptibility of a person to
 actually believe in
 something so FAR OUT THERE and so obviously unable
 to be proven. And to put
 an animals LIFE, or the question of PHYSICAL
 MUTILATION, on the line based
 on what could just as well be as valid as flipping a
 coin, well, it's just
 unfathomable, I just can't 

Re: How is Miss Kisa doing today?

2007-06-05 Thread dede hicken
I had a very wise vet in Fl who said, Never give up
until you try steroids.  Fact is, they don't always
know what is wrong,even with people.  My vet here said
she put a cat on methylprednisolone as a last ditch
effort, and the cat made it.

Who knows why it works, only that it does, and i am
sooo happy that things seem to be going well for you
all.

Blessings to Kisa,
Dede
--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thank you.
 
 Kisa is improving, slowly but steadily.  She still
 hides under the bed all 
 day, but her breathing has slowed down to pretty
 much normal while resting. 
 Her gums are pale, but they don't look yellow
 anymore.  Finally, she is 
 bathing herself again, and cleaning up all that
 stained fur.
 
 She is eating fairly decently.  I've got her eating
 liver, a raw chicken 
 puree, and a bit of canned food.  She still prefers
 to lick it off the back 
 of a spoon, but will nibble a bit off a plate as
 well now.  She only seems 
 to eat when we feed her though, the food doesn't get
 touched when we just 
 leave it with her.
 
 Kisa is still very weak.  When I bring her into bed
 with us, she'll 
 sometimes try jumping into the window and not make
 it.  Hopefully her 
 strength will return if she can build up her red
 blood cells again.
 
 I'm not sure if she still has the liver problem and
 the Dexamethasone is 
 just making her feel well enough to eat, or if
 somehow the problem is 
 clearing up.  Time will tell.
 
 Cassandra
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:20 PM
 Subject: How is Miss Kisa doing today?
 
 
  Hey Cassandra,
 
  Just wondering how Kisa is doing today?  I hope
 she is
  stronger and fighting the hemo really well.  Best
  wishes to her and prayers still going out for you
  both.
 
  :)
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Re: Caroline still not eating or drinking

2007-06-05 Thread dede hicken
Kelly, I went through this with 2 cats this winter. 
Both had infections.  i force fed them with AD, and
softened dry food.  The vet said that would give them
fiber.  I can't tell you why they started
eating...they just did. it was almost a month of
forcing them.

It was hell there for awhile.  I had to literally wrap
both of them like mummies.  Spud was the worst.  I
still have the scars to prove it!!  I found with him
that if i could get a little down him, he would eat
some on his own.

Best of luck to you both,
Dede
--- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dr. Samon says physically there is no reason she
 can't eat or drink.
 
 I'm giving her subq fluids, which is the easy part,
 but it is
 difficult to impossible to get food down her.  She
 hides behind the
 toilet, turns her head away, etc.
 
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Re: Update on Kisa

2007-06-04 Thread dede hicken
Cassandra, my vet gave me liquid doxy for one of my
cats.  It ws the 1st time I had ever seen it.  The
problem is that it has a very short shelf life.

dede
--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 These pills come in a gelcap already.  The problem
 is, she squirms and moves 
 her tongue around like crazy, so I have to try
 avoiding the tongue and 
 getting the pill right to the back of her throat, or
 else she bites it. 
 Once she bites it, she foams at the mouth like
 crazy, so it must taste 
 really bad.  I think the vet techs were having a
 heck of a time giving her 
 pills too when she was there.
 
 I am trying to coat it in butter, but cat food juice
 sounds good too.
 
 Cassandra
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:53 PM
 Subject: Re: Update on Kisa
 
 
 I find that the easiest way is to cut the tablet up
  put it in a small 
 gelcap. Then roll the gelcap in cat food juices.
 Makes it slippery  tastes 
 good so they swallow! Not like sticking a nasty
 pill in that sticks 
 someplace in the mouth to be spit out later on.
 
  Pam
 
  C  J wrote:
  Yes i'm giving her doxy, but she's one heck of a
 tough kitty to give 
  pills to. Tomi is way easier to give pills.
 
  Cassandra
 
 
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  Subject: Re: Update on Kisa
 
 
  Cassandra,
  I hope she is still getting the doxy
 otherwise your only prolonging 
  the inevitable, hemo does not go away on its
 own.  If her anemia is 
  because od hemo she needs the doxy to live.
 
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Re: Skidboot video

2007-06-03 Thread dede hicken
Thanks, Nina.  What a beautiful story. It makes you
relize how special God's creatures are.  People think
they are just animals but they are so much more.  I
think of Kisa and how hard she is trying to live, and
the people helping her...

It is just special.  I think animals realize more
about life than most people do. Duke agrees with me. 
He keeps nipping my arm!

Enough philosophising!  I hope all have a blessed day!
Dede
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Re: outdoor enclosures

2007-06-03 Thread dede hicken
Jane, please email me off line, and maybe we can
exchange #'s.  We are building another enclosure again
since this move.  We have gotten pretty good at it,
and can help you do it yourself, or direct a fence man
on how to help you.

Dede
--- Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions,
 but hopefully we can get the newness of this
 diagnosis
 and all the issues it raises on the right path ...
 Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for cats
 that works well. Again, I Googled the category and
 there
 are hundreds of choices. I was hoping someone might
 have
 experience with a design or quality that works.
 I suspect that MeMe was at one time in her young
 life on
 her own because she can climb trees better than
 squirrels and
 seems to know her way around the terrain. I need an
 enclosure that
 will allow her some measure of freedom and activity.
 
 I appreciate any information or leads someone might
 have.
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Re: outdoor enclosures

2007-06-03 Thread dede hicken
Yeah, the mesh was great in Fl.  I even brought some
with me.  Guess what?  It doesn't work in NY...sigh. 
We were told by a large cat sanctuary (Peace
Plantation) to use 1x2 galvanized welded rabbit wire. 
He showed us what 2 winters did to the mesh.  They had
spent $6,500 on it and it bombed.  The stupid
manufacturer said It's not for commercial use  Well
duh, if it works, it works.  Zip ties don't work here
either.

It's very hard to describe what we've done now by
writing.  I can tell you that in Fl. we got a 10x10
enclosure from Ace Hardware and covered it using mesh
and zip ties.  Some folks use fish line.  You have to
adapt the door so they can't get through. a chain link
fence guy can do that for you.

We will be using Kittywalk to connect the 2 enclosures
we will have here.

Dede
--- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have what I call a catiary cause it looks like
 an aviary. It was 
 built at the same time as my deck so it could be
 incorporated into the 
 plan. It's between a wing of the deck  the house 
 goes from ground 
 level to roof level of single story house.  The
 floor is concrete for 
 cleaning - a lockable screen door goes to the yard 
 the walls are 4 
 PVC coated mesh that is exactly what BestFriends
 uses in their outdoor 
 rooms. It's VERY strong  does not cut down on light
 as does most of the 
 regular, weaker, tearable mesh screen.
 
 Inside there are shelves at staggered heights for
 sunning  romping.  I 
 scrounded a tall thick tree branch  a really
 crookedy one that are 
 propped in one corner for climbing  scratching. 
 The roof is that 
 coorrugated plastic. I keep one or two litter boxes
 out there.
 
 The cats have access to the catiary from a cat door
 from the screened 
 porch  access to the screened porch from a cat door
 into the kitchen. 
 Works great. In cold weather they can go out there
 without letting the 
 cold into the house.
 
 I looked at enclosures on the web  found that
 utterly boring. I think 
 the best ones are the ones that the people design
 themselves. Y ou 
 .should be able to get a handyman to build it. The
 man who built mine 
 along with the deck got a huge kick out of it. Said
 he'd never had a 
 cat room on his resume before!
 
 Pam
 
 Jane Lyons wrote:
  I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions,
  but hopefully we can get the newness of this
 diagnosis
  and all the issues it raises on the right path ...
  Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for cats
  that works well. Again, I Googled the category and
 there
  are hundreds of choices. I was hoping someone
 might have
  experience with a design or quality that works.
  I suspect that MeMe was at one time in her young
 life on
  her own because she can climb trees better than
 squirrels and
  seems to know her way around the terrain. I need
 an enclosure that
  will allow her some measure of freedom and
 activity.
 
  I appreciate any information or leads someone
 might have.
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Re: outdoor enclosures

2007-06-03 Thread dede hicken
OK.  The stuff that was used was NOT wire coated with
PVC...just plastic coated mesh of some sort.  THAT
stuff does not work in cold climates.

I did see the PVC coated wire at the feed store.  It's
a bit pricy, but it does work well.

Dede


--- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The PVC coated wire mesh works fine in Wisconsin 
 fine in Utah. I don't 
 see why it wouldn't work in NY!  It's very strong,
 4x4 coated wire.
 
 Pam
 
 dede hicken wrote:
  Yeah, the mesh was great in Fl.  I even brought
 some
  with me.  Guess what?  It doesn't work in
 NY...sigh. 
  We were told by a large cat sanctuary (Peace
  Plantation) to use 1x2 galvanized welded rabbit
 wire. 
  He showed us what 2 winters did to the mesh.  They
 had
  spent $6,500 on it and it bombed.  The stupid
  manufacturer said It's not for commercial use 
 Well
  duh, if it works, it works.  Zip ties don't work
 here
  either.
 
  It's very hard to describe what we've done now by
  writing.  I can tell you that in Fl. we got a
 10x10
  enclosure from Ace Hardware and covered it using
 mesh
  and zip ties.  Some folks use fish line.  You have
 to
  adapt the door so they can't get through. a chain
 link
  fence guy can do that for you.
 
  We will be using Kittywalk to connect the 2
 enclosures
  we will have here.
 
  Dede
  --- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

  I have what I call a catiary cause it looks
 like
  an aviary. It was 
  built at the same time as my deck so it could be
  incorporated into the 
  plan. It's between a wing of the deck  the house
 
  goes from ground 
  level to roof level of single story house.  The
  floor is concrete for 
  cleaning - a lockable screen door goes to the
 yard 
  the walls are 4 
  PVC coated mesh that is exactly what BestFriends
  uses in their outdoor 
  rooms. It's VERY strong  does not cut down on
 light
  as does most of the 
  regular, weaker, tearable mesh screen.
 
  Inside there are shelves at staggered heights for
  sunning  romping.  I 
  scrounded a tall thick tree branch  a really
  crookedy one that are 
  propped in one corner for climbing  scratching. 
  The roof is that 
  coorrugated plastic. I keep one or two litter
 boxes
  out there.
 
  The cats have access to the catiary from a cat
 door
  from the screened 
  porch  access to the screened porch from a cat
 door
  into the kitchen. 
  Works great. In cold weather they can go out
 there
  without letting the 
  cold into the house.
 
  I looked at enclosures on the web  found that
  utterly boring. I think 
  the best ones are the ones that the people design
  themselves. Y ou 
  .should be able to get a handyman to build it.
 The
  man who built mine 
  along with the deck got a huge kick out of it.
 Said
  he'd never had a 
  cat room on his resume before!
 
  Pam
 
  Jane Lyons wrote:
  
  I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions,
  but hopefully we can get the newness of this

  diagnosis
  
  and all the issues it raises on the right path
 ...
  Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for
 cats
  that works well. Again, I Googled the category
 and

  there
  
  are hundreds of choices. I was hoping someone

  might have
  
  experience with a design or quality that works.
  I suspect that MeMe was at one time in her young

  life on
  
  her own because she can climb trees better than

  squirrels and
  
  seems to know her way around the terrain. I need

  an enclosure that
  
  will allow her some measure of freedom and

  activity.
  
  I appreciate any information or leads someone

  might have.
  
  Jane
 
 
 
 

 
  
 
 
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Re: Please add Scamper to the CLS list

2007-05-29 Thread dede hicken
So very sorry for your loss.  It hurts way too much.

Dede
--- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sam and Marcia,I am so sorry for the loss of your
 precious Scamper.Hugs to you both.
   Sherry
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Please add our cat Scamper of 18 years to the CLS
 list. He lost his 
 fight with cancer and CRF, he died in my arms. He
 will go to the rainbow 
 bridge to reunite with his sibling Eli who passed
 last year of 
 complications form FIV. His memory will be kept
 alive, so in part he 
 will be be still alive.
 
 He will be cremated, and then when my wife passes
 his ashes will join hers.
 
 He was the kitten that did not stay down stairs in
 the box we made for 
 him. He jumped/climbed up the stairs to our bedroom,
 jump/climbed up the 
 comforter on our water bed to sleep with us.
 
 Whitey Elric Bone, Regis, Luceria, Geo, Saiko,
 Stumpy, Marely, Eli, 
 Cuddles, Butch, Romeo, Dartanion, Satan, Ni**er,
 Sasquash, Little Tux, 
 Big Tux, and the too many others, help him at that
 place of rest, help 
 him to enjoy being healthy and young again.
 
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Re: Kelley, how is Caroline doing?

2007-05-29 Thread dede hicken
Oh Kelly, I did the same thing.  It was like it can't
hurt  now he is testing + for hemobart and is on
doxy.  We can only do what we think is best, and hope
for the best.

God bless you both,
Dede
--- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 THey can treat toxo.  It is treated with clindamycin
 (sp?).  They
 haven't tested for it.  It has to be sent out to a
 lab and it takes a
 while to get the results back apparently.  I okayed
 the treatment
 since it wouldn't hurt anything and might help.
 
 If it is dry FIP or brain cancer, there aren' tany
 effective
 treatments for either.
 
 On 5/29/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm glad she's improved!  I guess the news is
 better
  than you expected?  Can they treat the toxo?  If
 so,
  what do they treat it with?  Are they waiting on
 lab
  results to verify it?
 
  Sorry I have so many questions.  I'm curious and
 keep
  the info. for further reference.
 
  :)
  Wendy
 
  --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I picked her up at 7:00 am.  She seems much
 improved
   to me.  She is
   looking around and growling.  Still taking
 nothing
   by mouth, on fluids
   and tube feeding.  They have narrowed the
 diagnosis
   to dry FIP or
   toxo.  Not sure why brain cancer is not in the
   picture anymore or if
   they just didnt' write it down.
  
   Kelley
  
   On 5/28/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Kelley,
   
Just wondering how your baby is doing?
   
:)
Wendy
   
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Re: Toxo- contagious or no?

2007-05-28 Thread dede hicken
Kelly,

When Spud was treated, the vet never said anything
about transmission to us.  Actually, She wasn't
certain that is what he had, she just saw some funky
cells on a smear that looked like it.  We figured that
we didn't have anything to lose by treating him with
the HCT so low, and the blood in the urine.

He did get better, but something is still wrong...I
just know it.  He is comfortable though, and eating
well.  He had a past of being outside, so he could
have gotten it.  I don't know about Caroline's past.

I just hope she responds.  It is so hard to go
through.

May you both be blessed,
Dede
--- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No one seems to be able to tell me.  I researched it
 some and it seems
 to come from eating raw meat, such as mice?
 
 But Caroline doesn't mouse...
 
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I've Thought of killing them...LOL

2007-05-28 Thread dede hicken
I'd probably saved myself a lot of money during this
move if I'd divided the ones who pee on
things...actually ANYTHING...with the ones who don't.

Nina, at least you were smart enough to look in the
frying pan.  I didn't, and threw the butter and eggs
in there.  How stupid can one be.  Ane then there is
that burnt onion smell throughout the house...again!!!

I don't know the answer to the problem.  I just put up
with it, and adapt my house.  It has made me a better
housekeeper.  I can't leave anything on the floor or
plastic anywhere.  It is my choice.  That is why we
got the new house all linolium (sp?)

Then there is the fact that my son truly thinks i am
crazy.  He swears his kids won't ever darken my door. 
(as I said before, that's another reason to keep the
cats.) Yes, I know it smells like pee sometimes.  Come
over 1st thing in the AM uninvited and that is what
you get.

People just want the perfect cat like their kids.  You
don't always get what you want, do you?  So, you throw
it away, or do you honor your commitment?

Said enuf'
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Thinking of Caroline

2007-05-27 Thread dede hicken
Just wanted you to know that you both are in my
thoughts and prayers this AM.  I hope you find
positive solutions to Caroline's illness.

God bless,
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Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread dede hicken
I can feel your pain and anxiety.  I pray they can
pull her through this.  Just know you have a lot of us
who sincerely care.

Dede
--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 They are just putting her on IV for the night.  I'm
 going to get the 
 previous blood test results and urinalysis from the
 other vet faxed over 
 tomorrow morning.
 
 I imagine they will only check on her when the
 on-call vet is at the clinic.
 
 This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the
 weekends.  All the vet 
 clinics around here are only open regular business
 hours, and til noon on 
 saturdays.  If you have to see a vet on the weekend,
 its an on-call vet, and 
 you get charged something like $100 to see that vet.
 
 Cassandra
 - Original Message - 
 From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM
 Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
 
 
  At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:
 
  What are they doing for her.
  are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work
 off???How often are 
  they checking on her??Private email me if you can
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an
 24 hour vet.  We don't 
 have any 24 hour vet clinics around here.  So
 basically, the on-call vet 
 will probably only check on her when he happens to
 be at the clinic.
 
 So i'm just praying she makes it through the night
 ok.
 
 Cassandra
 
 - Original Message - From: Kelly L
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM
 Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
 
 
 At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:
 
 
 I am so sure would would love to be with you, but
 you are right, she 
 needs medical care right now. they will teach you
 to give fluids at home 
 and the medications she need. giving injections
 is so easy, Your baby 
 needs you to be strong and make the best
 decisions for her and it looks 
 like you have,
 The emergency vets are open all night and if she
 were to take a turn for 
 the worse and you would need to make that awful
 decision just tell them 
 to call you so you can go there and have her
 safely and warmly un your 
 arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can
 bring he favorite 
 things to her and they will let you be with her
 as much as you want 
 to,Feel free to email and post all night and
 email me privately any 
 time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you
 are doing what is best 
 for your baby.
 Kelly
 
 Thanks all,
 
 Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now. 
 It tears me up to have 
 to leave her there overnight, and possibly have
 her die away from home, 
 but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel
 better.   I don't know if 
 she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning
 liver and the toxins in 
 her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I
 hope something helps.
 
 I'll have to get her records faxed from her
 previous vet, but at least 
 this place is cheaper, and hopefully more
 willing to treat her.
 
 She's been sleeping at night between my husband
 and I under the blanket, 
 and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but
 if there's anything at 
 all I can do to help her, i've got to try.  I
 just hope she knows that 
 i'm only doing all this to her because I love
 her.
 
 Cassandra
 
 - Original Message - From: wendy
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM
 Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa
 
 
 Cassandra,
 
 I am so sorry.  Kisa sounds like such a special
 kitty.
 I loved reading about how she carries her
 stuffed
 panda around.  What special memories you have
 of her.
 Still praying for her to rally.  And for
 comfort for
 you.
 
 :)
 Wendy
 
 --- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the
 last
 week, she's been getting
 more lethargic day by day.  And now she's at
 the
 point where all she does is
 hide/sleep.  When we bring her out of her
 hiding
 spot, she vomits almost
 immediately.   The Chloropromazine didn't help
 the
 vomiting, so I stopped
 giving it.
 
 The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the
 more
 difficult because if we
 feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up
 a fair
 bit of the prior
 feeding.  I'm going to have to feed her a
 couple of
 times a day, and leave
 it at that.  I think food may be the least of
 her
 worries right now.  She's
 probably getting dehydrated from all the
 vomiting,
 though I don't know how
 to tell that for sure.  Her third eyelid is
 very
 noticeable now.  She
 shows very little interest in drinking, mainly
 just
 sticks her paws in the
 water and sniffs it.
 
 Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding
 her
 since wednesday, I seriously
 doubt she's pooped at all.  I'm not sure where
 the
 food is going after it
 goes in.
 
 She's not very responsive either, anymore. 
 She will
 purr a bit when I pet
 her, but that's about it.
 
 I've been trying to find an oncologist, but
 i'm not
 sure she's even strong
 

Re: Please add Trinket to the CLS

2007-05-16 Thread dede hicken
So sorry, Gloria.  You did a great thing tking her in.

Dede
--- Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Trinket was a white with black kitty, about 16 yrs,
 and died quietly  
 last night of kidney failure.  

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of your God
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We made it!!!

2007-05-12 Thread dede hicken
We made it to NY.  It has taken this long to iron out
all the bugs in my ISP. 

Getting ready for the trip was the hardest thing I
have ever done, but the trip itself was great...well
almost.  You might know it, but Ki, my FeLV guy got
really sick.  Couldn't find a vet when i needed one. 
I really believe now that he was car sick.  He is fine
now and in with all the other cats.

We are still working on all the cat facilities:
fencing ets, but it is all coming together.

Will talk to you all later. Been a long day.

Dede and Ki+

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