Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)

2013-04-28 Thread dlgegg
WHEN YOU WERE THERE, COULD YOU STAY AT THE CAT HOUSES OR DID YOU STAY AT A 
NEARBY MOTEL?  IT WOULD BE GREAT IF I COULD RETIRE THERE WITH MY BABIES AND BE 
WITH THEM  TO THE END. I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CHANGING BOXES, ETC.

 Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Sounds just like the shelter I have selected - CW Rustic Hollow.  I've 
 visited it in the summer and winter.  A great place.
 
Sharyl



  
From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
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Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
  

The shelter I have selected does not keep them in cages, they have the run of 
1.  an old farmhouse complete with an outdoor enclosure they can go in and out 
at will. 2.  They have built a new house and outdoor enclosure.  They have 
furniture to sit and lie on and shelves on the walls.  My cats will be old by 
the time I pass and not many people want to adopt old cats.  I am sure they 
will be content to lay on a bed or the back of a chair in a sunny window.  I 
have only one concern, how will they adapt to the cats already there.  But if 
they follow the normal rules for introducing new cats to the household, I think 
there will be no problem.

 Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: 
 We always need to prepare for the time when we will no longer be 
 able to have our cats because of our illness or death, but I would
 be concerned about your cats in a no kill shelter. Would they be
 spending their remaining years in cages??
 
 On 04-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 
  You may have to do like the no kill shelters all do, ask an amount to take
  care of their food and medical bills for the rest of their life.  I have a
  shelter picked out and have provided in my will for their care.  They have
  a formula worked out, number of years expected for them to live x set
  amount of money.  It is really not asking all that much considering you
  are asking them to give the cats the same care you have given them for the
  remainder of their lives.  I have had my babies too long to leave their
  future up in the air.
  
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)

2013-04-27 Thread Lorrie
We always need to prepare for the time when we will no longer be 
able to have our cats because of our illness or death, but I would
be concerned about your cats in a no kill shelter. Would they be
spending their remaining years in cages??

On 04-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 You may have to do like the no kill shelters all do, ask an amount to take
 care of their food and medical bills for the rest of their life.  I have a
 shelter picked out and have provided in my will for their care.  They have
 a formula worked out, number of years expected for them to live x set
 amount of money.  It is really not asking all that much considering you
 are asking them to give the cats the same care you have given them for the
 remainder of their lives.  I have had my babies too long to leave their
 future up in the air.
 
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)

2013-04-27 Thread Lorrie
What becomes of these FelV cats you foster?  Do you do like I do and
just keep them until they die or have to be euthanized?  I lost three
FelV kittens in 2 months and it was heartbreaking. Now the last of this
litter just turned one year old and she seems fine, but I watch her
every day and never know how long I'll have her. I have several others
who were exposed or actively have the virus, but they are still doing
fine, but I look at them every day and wonder how long I'll have them. 

Lorrie

On 04-23, Beth wrote:
No, I have never seen one throw the virus off.
I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering
healthy cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least
I don't have to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to
have them adopted out  I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be
so much work.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)

2013-04-27 Thread Beth
One actually did get adopted last year, but mostly they just stay with me until 
they  pass away.

Beth

Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

What becomes of these FelV cats you foster?  Do you do like I do and
just keep them until they die or have to be euthanized?  I lost three
FelV kittens in 2 months and it was heartbreaking. Now the last of this
litter just turned one year old and she seems fine, but I watch her
every day and never know how long I'll have her. I have several others
who were exposed or actively have the virus, but they are still doing
fine, but I look at them every day and wonder how long I'll have them. 

Lorrie

On 04-23, Beth wrote:
No, I have never seen one throw the virus off.
I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering
healthy cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least
I don't have to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to
have them adopted out  I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be
so much work.
Beth
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)

2013-04-27 Thread dlgegg
The shelter I have selected does not keep them in cages, they have the run of 
1.  an old farmhouse complete with an outdoor enclosure they can go in and out 
at will. 2.  They have built a new house and outdoor enclosure.  They have 
furniture to sit and lie on and shelves on the walls.  My cats will be old by 
the time I pass and not many people want to adopt old cats.  I am sure they 
will be content to lay on a bed or the back of a chair in a sunny window.  I 
have only one concern, how will they adapt to the cats already there.  But if 
they follow the normal rules for introducing new cats to the household, I think 
there will be no problem.

 Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: 
 We always need to prepare for the time when we will no longer be 
 able to have our cats because of our illness or death, but I would
 be concerned about your cats in a no kill shelter. Would they be
 spending their remaining years in cages??
 
 On 04-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 
  You may have to do like the no kill shelters all do, ask an amount to take
  care of their food and medical bills for the rest of their life.  I have a
  shelter picked out and have provided in my will for their care.  They have
  a formula worked out, number of years expected for them to live x set
  amount of money.  It is really not asking all that much considering you
  are asking them to give the cats the same care you have given them for the
  remainder of their lives.  I have had my babies too long to leave their
  future up in the air.
  
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering

2013-04-27 Thread Lorrie
Lee,  It's very encouraging that you've had three adults with FelV
throw off the virus. I've never been that fortunate, and having these
FelV cats and kittens with a death sentence is absolutely devastating
to me. I am the same as you said you were much too emotional.

As I may have written previously, the only miracle I had was with
a litter of 6 kittens who were all FelV pos. except for one.  I still
have Weegie (4 years old now, and he's been retested twice and never 
got the virus, while all his siblings died years ago.

Lorrie

On 04-23, Lee Evans wrote:
I had three FeLv+ cats throw it off. They all three were adults. Bunny
was the youngest. She tested positive when she was spayed at a shelter.
They would usually euthanize them but for some reason she slipped
through the cracks, I am pleased to say and the rescuer brought her to
me knowing that I would keep her or find a place for her if she did not
turn. But she turned. Right now she's annoying two other cats in my
computer room. She sleeps with me at night, and is a joyous cat. I
would like to find her another home though because I just have too many
and can't give her enough attention. My oldest cat, Moses threw it off
i about 7 years ago. Percy had both FeLv and FIV. He threw off the FeLv
and is now in my FIV room. I have a 5 months old FeLv+ kitten in foster
care trying to turn negative. I hope she does. Taco and Smooch, two
other FeLv+ cats who were brought to me as strays and tested positive
passed away in two years. But at least they had those two years extra
and weren't deprived of their short lives. I have chosen the wrong
calling though. I'm much too emotional to be able to cope with this.
Unfortunately I have no choice. I live from one emotional disaster to
another these days because my feline family is approaching the older
years.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)

2013-04-27 Thread Sharyl
Sounds just like the shelter I have selected - CW Rustic Hollow.  I've visited 
it in the summer and winter.  A great place.
 
Sharyl



  
From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
  

The shelter I have selected does not keep them in cages, they have the run of 
1.  an old farmhouse complete with an outdoor enclosure they can go in and out 
at will. 2.  They have built a new house and outdoor enclosure.  They have 
furniture to sit and lie on and shelves on the walls.  My cats will be old by 
the time I pass and not many people want to adopt old cats.  I am sure they 
will be content to lay on a bed or the back of a chair in a sunny window.  I 
have only one concern, how will they adapt to the cats already there.  But if 
they follow the normal rules for introducing new cats to the household, I think 
there will be no problem.

 Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: 
 We always need to prepare for the time when we will no longer be 
 able to have our cats because of our illness or death, but I would
 be concerned about your cats in a no kill shelter. Would they be
 spending their remaining years in cages??
 
 On 04-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 
  You may have to do like the no kill shelters all do, ask an amount to take
  care of their food and medical bills for the rest of their life.  I have a
  shelter picked out and have provided in my will for their care.  They have
  a formula worked out, number of years expected for them to live x set
  amount of money.  It is really not asking all that much considering you
  are asking them to give the cats the same care you have given them for the
  remainder of their lives.  I have had my babies too long to leave their
  future up in the air.
  
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)

2013-04-27 Thread Sharyl
Sounds just like the shelter I have selected - CW Rustic Hollow.  I've visited 
it in the summer and winter.  A great place.
 
Sharyl



  
From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
  

The shelter I have selected does not keep them in cages, they have the run of 
1.  an old farmhouse complete with an outdoor enclosure they can go in and out 
at will. 2.  They have built a new house and outdoor enclosure.  They have 
furniture to sit and lie on and shelves on the walls.  My cats will be old by 
the time I pass and not many people want to adopt old cats.  I am sure they 
will be content to lay on a bed or the back of a chair in a sunny window.  I 
have only one concern, how will they adapt to the cats already there.  But if 
they follow the normal rules for introducing new cats to the household, I think 
there will be no problem.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)

2013-04-24 Thread Beth
I only have 3 cats of my own left. 2 are quite old  1 is FeLV positive.
I do not take in more FeLV fosters unless one passes away.
I do not take FeLV cats from individuals unless they agree that it is still 
their cat, just living at my house. I will not be responsible for vet bills or 
food expenses. It is tough turning people down, but I have to have a sane life 
 do not want to get overwhelmed. I prefer to educate people that they can mix 
their cats  keep the FeLV's.
That being said, I recently agreed to take an FeLV from a lady who volunteers 
at our shelter  who I have known for years. The cat no more than got to my 
house  it is clear he has medical issues  she is not returning my calls or 
emails. This may mark the end of me taking in any FeLV's from individuals, 
period.


 Beth
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 From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
 


I had three FeLv+ cats throw it off. They all three were adults. Bunny was the 
youngest. She tested positive when she was spayed at a shelter. They would 
usually euthanize them but for some reason she slipped through the cracks, I am 
pleased to say and the rescuer brought her to me knowing that I would keep her 
or find a place for her if she did not turn. But she turned. Right now she's 
annoying two other cats in my computer room. She sleeps with me at night, and 
is a joyous cat. I would like to find her another home though because I just 
have too many and can't give her enough attention. My oldest cat, Moses threw 
it off i about 7 years ago. Percy had both FeLv and FIV. He threw off the FeLv 
and is now in my FIV room. I have a 5 months old FeLv+ kitten in foster care 
trying to turn negative. I hope she does. Taco and Smooch, two other FeLv+ cats 
who were brought to me as strays and tested positive passed away in two years. 
But at least they had those
 two years extra and weren't deprived of their short lives. I have chosen the 
wrong calling though. I'm much too emotional to be able to cope with this. 
Unfortunately I have no choice. I live from one emotional disaster to another 
these days because my feline family is approaching the older years.


 
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 From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
 


No, I have never seen one throw the virus off.
I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy 
cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have 
to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out 
 I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work.



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 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
 

Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats.  Have you had any who eventually
threw off the virus?  All of the kittens I've taken in as
 FelV positive, who
must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. 
However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years
old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I
took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative.

I really admire you for fostering FelV cats.  It can be heartbreaking
when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They
would have been a year old in May.  One from this same litter is still 
fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon.

Lorrie

On 04-23, Beth wrote:
    Chris -
    I would search the archives on mixing. A lot of us mix our positive 
    non-positive, vaccinated cats. I have done it for over 10 years with no
    transmission of the virus to my healthy cats. I even have had FIV
 cats
    mix with the FeLV cats with no problems. And, yes, I do retest my
    negatives.
    It becomes a little difficult when you foster healthy cats for a
    shelter. I only foster FeLV cats these days. The shelter would not
    allow me to foster both positives  negative, even if they were
    separated.
    Beth

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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)

2013-04-24 Thread Lee Evans
Been there, done that. Most of the FeLv cats I have taken were from a rescuer 
who has overwhelmed me in the past. I am no longer allowing her to do that. 
Anyway, there is no more room at the inn. I have two cats in my separation 
rooms, one recovering from a blinding eye infection and upper resp. and the 
other who has bone cancer, tumor on leg but is doing OK so far. The partially 
blind cat is one of my own outdoor old biddies. The cancer cat is from a colony 
I used to feed but gave back to the overwhelming rescuer when I moved out of 
the city. I felt obligated to this cat so took her and am giving her whatever 
life she has left. 


 
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 From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
 


I only have 3 cats of my own left. 2 are quite old  1 is FeLV positive.
I do not take in more FeLV fosters unless one passes away.
I do not take FeLV cats from individuals unless they agree that it is still 
their cat, just living at my house. I will not be responsible for vet bills or 
food expenses. It is tough turning people down, but I have to have a sane life 
 do not want to get overwhelmed. I prefer to educate people that they can mix 
their cats  keep the FeLV's.
That being said, I recently agreed to take an FeLV from a lady who volunteers 
at our shelter  who I have known for years. The cat no more than got to my 
house  it is clear he has medical issues  she is not returning my calls or 
emails. This may mark the end of me taking in any FeLV's from individuals,
 period.



 Beth
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 From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
 


I had three FeLv+ cats throw it off. They all three were adults. Bunny was the 
youngest. She tested positive when she was spayed at a shelter. They would 
usually euthanize them but for some reason she slipped through the cracks, I 
am pleased to say and the rescuer brought her to me knowing that I would keep 
her or find a place for her if she did not turn. But she turned. Right now 
she's annoying two other cats in my computer room. She sleeps with me at 
night, and is a joyous cat. I would like to find her another home though 
because I just have too many and can't give her enough attention. My oldest 
cat, Moses threw it off i about 7 years ago. Percy had both FeLv and FIV. He 
threw off the FeLv and is now in my FIV room. I have a 5 months old FeLv+ 
kitten in foster care trying to turn negative. I hope she does. Taco and 
Smooch, two other FeLv+ cats who were brought to me as strays and tested 
positive passed away in two years. But at least they had those
 two years extra and weren't deprived of their short lives. I have chosen the 
wrong calling though. I'm much too emotional to be able to cope with this. 
Unfortunately I have no choice. I live from one emotional disaster to another 
these days because my feline family is approaching the older years.



 
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 From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
 


No, I have never seen one throw the virus off.
I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy 
cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have 
to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted 
out  I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work.



Beth

 
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 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
 

Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats.  Have you had any who eventually
threw off the virus?  All of the kittens I've taken in as
 FelV positive, who
must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. 
However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years
old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I
took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative.

I really admire you for fostering FelV cats.  It can be heartbreaking
when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They
would have been a year old in May.  One from this same litter is still 
fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon.

Lorrie

On 04-23, Beth wrote:
    Chris -
    I

Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)

2013-04-24 Thread dlgegg
You may have to do like the no kill shelters all do, ask an amount to take care 
of their food and medical bills for the rest of their life.  I have a shelter 
picked out and have provided in my will for their care.  They have a formula 
worked out, number of years expected for them to live x set amount of money.  
It is really not asking all that much considering you are asking them to give 
the cats the same care you have given them for the remainder of their lives.  I 
have had my babies too long to leave their future up in the air.


 Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 I only have 3 cats of my own left. 2 are quite old  1 is FeLV positive.
I do not take in more FeLV fosters unless one passes away.
I do not take FeLV cats from individuals unless they agree that it is still 
their cat, just living at my house. I will not be responsible for vet bills or 
food expenses. It is tough turning people down, but I have to have a sane life 
 do not want to get overwhelmed. I prefer to educate people that they can mix 
their cats  keep the FeLV's.
That being said, I recently agreed to take an FeLV from a lady who volunteers 
at our shelter  who I have known for years. The cat no more than got to my 
house  it is clear he has medical issues  she is not returning my calls or 
emails. This may mark the end of me taking in any FeLV's from individuals, 
period.


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 From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
 


I had three FeLv+ cats throw it off. They all three were adults. Bunny was the 
youngest. She tested positive when she was spayed at a shelter. They would 
usually euthanize them but for some reason she slipped through the cracks, I am 
pleased to say and the rescuer brought her to me knowing that I would keep her 
or find a place for her if she did not turn. But she turned. Right now she's 
annoying two other cats in my computer room. She sleeps with me at night, and 
is a joyous cat. I would like to find her another home though because I just 
have too many and can't give her enough attention. My oldest cat, Moses threw 
it off i about 7 years ago. Percy had both FeLv and FIV. He threw off the FeLv 
and is now in my FIV room. I have a 5 months old FeLv+ kitten in foster care 
trying to turn negative. I hope she does. Taco and Smooch, two other FeLv+ cats 
who were brought to me as strays and tested positive passed away in two years. 
But at least they had those
  two years extra and weren't deprived of their short lives. I have chosen the 
 wrong calling though. I'm much too emotional to be able to cope with this. 
 Unfortunately I have no choice. I live from one emotional disaster to another 
 these days because my feline family is approaching the older years.


 
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 From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
 


No, I have never seen one throw the virus off.
I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy 
cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have 
to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out 
 I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work.



Beth

 
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 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
 

Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats.  Have you had any who eventually
threw off the virus?  All of the kittens I've taken in as
 FelV positive, who
must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. 
However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years
old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I
took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative.

I really admire you for fostering FelV cats.  It can be heartbreaking
when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They
would have been a year old in May.  One from this same litter is still 
fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon.

Lorrie

On 04-23, Beth wrote:
    Chris -
    I would search the archives on mixing. A lot of us mix our positive 
    non-positive, vaccinated cats. I have done it for over 10 years with no
    transmission of the virus to my healthy cats. I even have had FIV
 cats
    mix with the FeLV cats with no problems. And, yes, I do retest my
    negatives.
    It becomes a little difficult when you foster healthy cats

Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg

2013-04-23 Thread Beth
My vet had me vaccinate every 6 months, but as my cats have gotten older I only 
do it every year. I figure at this point they should have enough immunity.

Beth
 

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos.  neg
 


The protocol I was given is 
1st vaccine followed by booster shot in 30 days
Give the 2nd vaccine 30 days before mixing positives and negatives
Follow up every 12 months with a booster shot
 
I wasn't aware there was more than 1 type of vaccine
Sharyl

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That is what I was worried about him eating out of there dishes,, water bowls 
and using litterbox. I am still very scared and hope I made the right decision. 
I have four other healthy 3 yr old females. I would never forgive myself if 
someone else got sick but wanted to do what was best for bama. Do we 
vaccinate every year? 

CHERI

On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:


They don't have to bite to transmit the virus.It can be transmitted but sharing 
food  water. But the vaccinne seems to have worked just fine over the years 
for me.

Beth



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From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos.  neg
 


I've mixed mine (adults) for years also - I dont worry about it unless the are 
aggressive bite, etc.


Gloria






From: Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle
 


Thank u sooo much! I needed to heAr that. It's my first week intermingling 
them. My other four fur kids were vaccinated a week ago. I'm scared.. But I 
love him and don't want him alone in basement anymore. His constant diarrhea 
worries me though. His stomatitis doesn't bother him much at all tho! I WUV 
MY  BAMA RAMa thank u all

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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)

2013-04-23 Thread Lorrie
Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats.  Have you had any who eventually
threw off the virus?  All of the kittens I've taken in as FelV positive, who
must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. 
However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years
old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I
took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative.

I really admire you for fostering FelV cats.  It can be heartbreaking
when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They
would have been a year old in May.  One from this same litter is still 
fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon.

Lorrie

On 04-23, Beth wrote:
Chris -
I would search the archives on mixing. A lot of us mix our positive 
non-positive, vaccinated cats. I have done it for over 10 years with no
transmission of the virus to my healthy cats. I even have had FIV cats
mix with the FeLV cats with no problems. And, yes, I do retest my
negatives.
It becomes a little difficult when you foster healthy cats for a
shelter. I only foster FeLV cats these days. The shelter would not
allow me to foster both positives  negative, even if they were
separated.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)

2013-04-23 Thread Beth
No, I have never seen one throw the virus off.
I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy cats, 
actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have to deal 
with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out  I 
don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work.


Beth

 
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 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
 

Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats.  Have you had any who eventually
threw off the virus?  All of the kittens I've taken in as FelV positive, who
must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. 
However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years
old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I
took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative.

I really admire you for fostering FelV cats.  It can be heartbreaking
when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They
would have been a year old in May.  One from this same litter is still 
fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon.

Lorrie

On 04-23, Beth wrote:
    Chris -
    I would search the archives on mixing. A lot of us mix our positive 
    non-positive, vaccinated cats. I have done it for over 10 years with no
    transmission of the virus to my healthy cats. I even have had FIV cats
    mix with the FeLV cats with no problems. And, yes, I do retest my
    negatives.
    It becomes a little difficult when you foster healthy cats for a
    shelter. I only foster FeLV cats these days. The shelter would not
    allow me to foster both positives  negative, even if they were
    separated.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)

2013-04-23 Thread Lee Evans
I had three FeLv+ cats throw it off. They all three were adults. Bunny was the 
youngest. She tested positive when she was spayed at a shelter. They would 
usually euthanize them but for some reason she slipped through the cracks, I am 
pleased to say and the rescuer brought her to me knowing that I would keep her 
or find a place for her if she did not turn. But she turned. Right now she's 
annoying two other cats in my computer room. She sleeps with me at night, and 
is a joyous cat. I would like to find her another home though because I just 
have too many and can't give her enough attention. My oldest cat, Moses threw 
it off i about 7 years ago. Percy had both FeLv and FIV. He threw off the FeLv 
and is now in my FIV room. I have a 5 months old FeLv+ kitten in foster care 
trying to turn negative. I hope she does. Taco and Smooch, two other FeLv+ cats 
who were brought to me as strays and tested positive passed away in two years. 
But at least they had those
 two years extra and weren't deprived of their short lives. I have chosen the 
wrong calling though. I'm much too emotional to be able to cope with this. 
Unfortunately I have no choice. I live from one emotional disaster to another 
these days because my feline family is approaching the older years.


 
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 From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
 


No, I have never seen one throw the virus off.
I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy 
cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have 
to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out 
 I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work.



Beth

 
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 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
 

Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats.  Have you had any who eventually
threw off the virus?  All of the kittens I've taken in as
 FelV positive, who
must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. 
However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years
old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I
took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative.

I really admire you for fostering FelV cats.  It can be heartbreaking
when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They
would have been a year old in May.  One from this same litter is still 
fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon.

Lorrie

On 04-23, Beth wrote:
    Chris -
    I would search the archives on mixing. A lot of us mix our positive 
    non-positive, vaccinated cats. I have done it for over 10 years with no
    transmission of the virus to my healthy cats. I even have had FIV
 cats
    mix with the FeLV cats with no problems. And, yes, I do retest my
    negatives.
    It becomes a little difficult when you foster healthy cats for a
    shelter. I only foster FeLV cats these days. The shelter would not
    allow me to foster both positives  negative, even if they were
    separated.
    Beth

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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg

2013-04-22 Thread Beth
They don't have to bite to transmit the virus.It can be transmitted but sharing 
food  water. But the vaccinne seems to have worked just fine over the years 
for me.

Beth


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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos.  neg
 


I've mixed mine (adults) for years also - I dont worry about it unless the are 
aggressive bite, etc.

Gloria




From: Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle
 


Thank u sooo much! I needed to heAr that. It's my first week intermingling 
them. My other four fur kids were vaccinated a week ago. I'm scared.. But I 
love him and don't want him alone in basement anymore. His constant diarrhea 
worries me though. His stomatitis doesn't bother him much at all tho! I WUV MY 
 BAMA RAMa thank u all

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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg

2013-04-22 Thread Cheri Le
That is what I was worried about him eating out of there dishes,, water bowls 
and using litterbox. I am still very scared and hope I made the right decision. 
I have four other healthy 3 yr old females. I would never forgive myself if 
someone else got sick but wanted to do what was best for bama. Do we 
vaccinate every year? 

CHERI

On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 They don't have to bite to transmit the virus.It can be transmitted but 
 sharing food  water. But the vaccinne seems to have worked just fine over 
 the years for me.
 
 Beth
 
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 From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 2:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos.  neg
 
 I've mixed mine (adults) for years also - I dont worry about it unless the 
 are aggressive bite, etc.
 
 Gloria
 
 
 
 From: Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle
 
 Thank u sooo much! I needed to heAr that. It's my first week intermingling 
 them. My other four fur kids were vaccinated a week ago. I'm scared.. But I 
 love him and don't want him alone in basement anymore. His constant diarrhea 
 worries me though. His stomatitis doesn't bother him much at all tho! I WUV 
 MY  BAMA RAMa thank u all
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg

2013-04-22 Thread Sharyl
The protocol I was given is 
1st vaccine followed by booster shot in 30 days
Give the 2nd vaccine 30 days before mixing positives and negatives
Follow up every 12 months with a booster shot
 
I wasn't aware there was more than 1 type of vaccine
Sharyl
 


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Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos.  neg
  


That is what I was worried about him eating out of there dishes,, water bowls 
and using litterbox. I am still very scared and hope I made the right decision. 
I have four other healthy 3 yr old females. I would never forgive myself if 
someone else got sick but wanted to do what was best for bama. Do we 
vaccinate every year? 

CHERI

On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:


They don't have to bite to transmit the virus.It can be transmitted but sharing 
food  water. But the vaccinne seems to have worked just fine over the years 
for me.

Beth



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 From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos.  neg
  


I've mixed mine (adults) for years also - I dont worry about it unless the are 
aggressive bite, etc.


Gloria






From: Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle
  


Thank u sooo much! I needed to heAr that. It's my first week intermingling 
them. My other four fur kids were vaccinated a week ago. I'm scared.. But I 
love him and don't want him alone in basement anymore. His constant diarrhea 
worries me though. His stomatitis doesn't bother him much at all tho! I WUV 
MY  BAMA RAMa thank u all

CHERI



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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg

2013-04-21 Thread dlgegg
Same here.  I do vaccinate my negatives for FELV just in case, but no one ever 
bites, just slaps, growls and hisses.  My vet says as long as the negatives re 
vaccinated, should be okay.

 Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: 
 I've mixed mine (adults) for years also - I dont worry about it unless the 
 are aggressive bite, etc.
 
 Gloria
 
 
 
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  Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle
  
  Thank u sooo much! I needed to heAr that. It's my first week intermingling 
  them. My other four fur kids were vaccinated a week ago. I'm scared.. But I 
  love him and don't want him alone in basement anymore. His constant 
  diarrhea worries me though. His stomatitis doesn't bother him much at all 
  tho! I WUV MY  BAMA RAMa thank u all
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg

2013-04-20 Thread Lorrie
Many of us have done this, and the cats have a better chance at
not getting the virus if vaccinated, but what is so amazing is a
lot older cats (meaning not kittens) can be mixed with positives
and still remain negative. I have seen this many times.

Hang in there Cheri, It isn't always a death sentence to a cat, 
and this group is a wonderful help.

Lorrie

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 Please tell me that other people have vaccinated and intermingled. This is
 another decision I recently made.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV non-FeLV cats

2013-04-19 Thread Beth
Yes, a lot of us mix our vaccinated cats with our FeLV cats with no problems.

Beth

 
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 From: Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle
 


Thank u sooo much! I needed to heAr that. It's my first week intermingling 
them. My other four fur kids were vaccinated a week ago. I'm scared.. But I 
love him and don't want him alone in basement anymore. His constant diarrhea 
worries me though. His stomatitis doesn't bother him much at all tho! I WUV MY 
 BAMA RAMa thank u all

CHERI

On Apr 19, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:


That is what  did when I started rescuing feral FeLV  kittens.  My house 
kitties were all adults.  I got them current on their FeLV vaccine before 
mixing them.  None of my negative kitties contract FeLV.   My FeLV kittens 
lived from 1 - 4 yrs.  Each was very special and made a huge impact on my life. 
 I miss them dearly and wouldn't have changed anything.
 
Sharyl.   


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Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle
 

Please tell me that other people have vaccinated and intermingled. This is 
another decision I recently made

CHERI

On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net wrote:

 I have A 5 yr old double positive with stomatitis and constant diarrhea ... 
 I am soo scared. I also vaccinated my four
 others (tho I no it's not 100%). I don't have much money and I am so scared of 
losing him. Thank you I'm an emotional reck
 
 CHERI
 
 On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:06 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 
 So sorry.  I know how it feels to loose a loved one human or animal.  I am 
 hoping no more of my babies leave me soon.  
 
 
  Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 I had an FeLV cat who belonged to a friend. He was her cat, but lived at 
 my house because I have FeLV cats. He has been battlingStomatitis the last 
 few months. She picked him up to take him to the vet yesterday morning. 
 During his exam they felt a mass in his tummy. They put him under to 
 explore further.
 He had cancer from his abdomen to his esophagus. They never woke him back up. 
He looked  acted so healthy except for the stomatits. He is very much missed. 
He was a silly, sweet, mischievous boy.  I loved him for all of it!
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats

2012-05-24 Thread Beth
I mixed my vaccinated FIV cat for years with my FeLV cats. They were never 
separated in any way. He was re-tested several times over the years, including 
shortly before he passed away. He never got the FeLV virus,  he was obviously 
immune supressed with the FIV. My former vet recommended vaccinating for FeLV 
every 6 months, which is what I did when I had FeLV's in the house.

 
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 From: Jo gypsyj...@aol.com
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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:45 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve  FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats
 
Is mixing like this recommended?  In my brood I have a 15-year old tiny girl
who tested positive for FeLV, a 12-year old blind boy and 10-year old girl
who have not been tested, and a 2-year old girl and 6-month old girl who
both tested negative and are vaccinated.   I recently lost my beautiful
2-year old blond boy to FeLV in January and have since been trying to learn
as much as possible about it.  The older cats do not really interact with
the younger ones.  I know it's too late now if I can't mix them and I'm
taking my chances but I'd really like to know if it can be done.  Thank you
in advance for all your help.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats

2012-05-22 Thread Beth
Lots of people here mix, some don't. I have done it for 10 years with no 
transmission. 

This is a common question. You will find a lot of info if you search the 
archives on mixing

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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:45 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve  FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats
 
Is mixing like this recommended?  In my brood I have a 15-year old tiny girl
who tested positive for FeLV, a 12-year old blind boy and 10-year old girl
who have not been tested, and a 2-year old girl and 6-month old girl who
both tested negative and are vaccinated.   I recently lost my beautiful
2-year old blond boy to FeLV in January and have since been trying to learn
as much as possible about it.  The older cats do not really interact with
the younger ones.  I know it's too late now if I can't mix them and I'm
taking my chances but I'd really like to know if it can be done.  Thank you
in advance for all your help.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats

2012-05-22 Thread Marta Gasper
Well.. I don't think there is a definitive answer to your question(not just 
yours most of us came accross it at some point)..basically if negative cats 
don't come into contact with positives they won't get infected. Also infection 
results from long time exposure, ie if a negative licks a postive dish once in 
a blue moon he won't get infected, however if he does clean the + plate every 
day, he could.
If a positive grooms a negative once the negative won't get it but if he does 
it everyday or several times a day he could, same as for sharing beds, 
litterboxes, etc.
 I recently read on internet that infection thru aerosol/ airborne virus is 
rare in cats but common in dogs.., I don't know abt it. While the virus 
live for a few hrs out of the host if a - cat happens to absorb a + sneeze 
right after the + sneezed he could be infected.
I've two FeLV+ one lives in a room by himself though during the day I put him 
in a LG crate in the garage for a change, he loves it.
The other one is in a crate in another room(reason for crate is that it is the 
basement and other cats are around, however he doesn't sneeze so I'm not 
concerned somebody that just happens to pass by could get a droplet or two., 
The first one does have a chronic sinus infection so he sneezes quite a bit.
I keep a litter in another room, young and senior are most vulnerable to 
infection.
All the cats except the new litter are vaccinated.
M

http://homelessnomore.webs.com/

From: Jo gypsyj...@aol.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:45 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve  FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats

Is mixing like this recommended?  In my brood I have a 15-year old tiny girl
who tested positive for FeLV, a 12-year old blind boy and 10-year old girl
who have not been tested, and a 2-year old girl and 6-month old girl who
both tested negative and are vaccinated.  I recently lost my beautiful
2-year old blond boy to FeLV in January and have since been trying to learn
as much as possible about it.  The older cats do not really interact with
the younger ones.  I know it's too late now if I can't mix them and I'm
taking my chances but I'd really like to know if it can be done.  Thank you
in advance for all your help.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats

2012-05-22 Thread HIDEYO YAMAMOTO

I personally have known about a dozen people who mix their positves to 
negatives - and negatives are not vaccinated either - and some of the cats have 
lived together, meaning share everything - grooming..etc.. amazingly, none of 
their negatives have become positives - though I have to say, all of they are 
adults cats - I am sure that kittens are more susceptible - and some of them 
are lving together for several years.
 



Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:12:49 -0700
From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve  FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats



Well.. I don't think there is a definitive answer to your question(not just 
yours most of us came accross it at some point)..basically if negative cats 
don't come into contact with positives they won't get infected. Also infection 
results from long time exposure, ie if a negative licks a postive dish once in 
a blue moon he won't get infected, however if he does clean the + plate every 
day, he could.
If a positive grooms a negative once the negative won't get it but if he does 
it everyday or several times a day he could, same as for sharing beds, 
litterboxes, etc.

 I recently read on internet that infection thru aerosol/ airborne virus is 
rare in cats but common in dogs.., I don't know abt it. While the virus 
live for a few hrs out of the host if a - cat happens to absorb a + sneeze 
right after the + sneezed he could be infected.
I've two FeLV+ one lives in a room by himself though during the day I put him 
in a LG crate in the garage for a change, he loves it.
The other one is in a crate in another room(reason for crate is that it is the 
basement and other cats are around, however he doesn't sneeze so I'm not 
concerned somebody that just happens to pass by could get a droplet or two., 
The first one does have a chronic sinus infection so he sneezes quite a bit.
I keep a litter in another room, young and senior are most vulnerable to 
infection.
All the cats except the new litter are vaccinated.
M
 
http://homelessnomore.webs.com/





From: Jo gypsyj...@aol.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:45 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve  FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats

Is mixing like this recommended?  In my brood I have a 15-year old tiny girl
who tested positive for FeLV, a 12-year old blind boy and 10-year old girl
who have not been tested, and a 2-year old girl and 6-month old girl who
both tested negative and are vaccinated.  I recently lost my beautiful
2-year old blond boy to FeLV in January and have since been trying to learn
as much as possible about it.  The older cats do not really interact with
the younger ones.  I know it's too late now if I can't mix them and I'm
taking my chances but I'd really like to know if it can be done.  Thank you
in advance for all your help.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats

2012-05-22 Thread Holly Shelton
I am far from being an expert here. My cat Oliver (6) was diagnosed with the 
leukemia virus back in December after my cat Daisy (4) suddenly got ill and 
passed away.  Turns out that she had leukemia even though she was vaccinated 
against it and showed no prior signs of having it.


Oliver mixes with 4 of my other cats and nobody has tested positive.  


Holly



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To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 3:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve  FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats


I personally have known about a dozen people who mix their positves to 
negatives - and negatives are not vaccinated either - and some of the cats have 
lived together, meaning share everything - grooming..etc.. amazingly, none of 
their negatives have become positives - though I have to say, all of they are 
adults cats - I am sure that kittens are more susceptible - and some of them 
are lving together for several years.
 



Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:12:49 -0700
From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve  FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats


Well.. I don't think there is a definitive answer to your question(not just 
yours most of us came accross it at some point)..basically if negative cats 
don't come into contact with positives they won't get infected. Also infection 
results from long time exposure, ie if a negative licks a postive dish once in 
a blue moon he won't get infected, however if he does clean the + plate every 
day, he could.
If a positive grooms a negative once the negative won't get it but if he does 
it everyday or several times a day he could, same as for sharing beds, 
litterboxes, etc.

 I recently read on internet that infection thru aerosol/ airborne virus is 
rare in cats but common in dogs.., I don't know abt it. While the virus 
live for a few hrs out of the host if a - cat happens to absorb a + sneeze 
right after the + sneezed he could be infected.
I've two FeLV+ one lives in a room by himself though during the day I put him 
in a LG crate in the garage for a change, he loves it.
The other one is in a crate in another room(reason for crate is that it is the 
basement and other cats are around, however he doesn't sneeze so I'm not 
concerned somebody that just happens to pass by could get a droplet or two., 
The first one does have a chronic sinus infection so he sneezes quite a bit.
I keep a litter in another room, young and senior are most vulnerable to 
infection.
All the cats except the new litter are vaccinated.
M
 
http://homelessnomore.webs.com/




From: Jo gypsyj...@aol.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:45 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve  FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats


Is mixing like this recommended?  In my brood I have a 15-year old tiny girl
who tested positive for FeLV, a 12-year old blind boy and 10-year old girl
who have not been tested, and a 2-year old girl and 6-month old girl who
both tested negative and are vaccinated.  I recently lost my beautiful
2-year old blond boy to FeLV in January and have since been trying to learn
as much as possible about it.  The older cats do not really interact with
the younger ones.  I know it's too late now if I can't mix them and I'm
taking my chances but I'd really like to know if it can be done.  Thank you
in advance for all your help.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats

2012-05-22 Thread Beth
I didn't think FeLVcpuldbe spread via sneezes, just saliva

Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com wrote:

Well.. I don't think there is a definitive answer to your question(not just 
yours most of us came accross it at some point)..basically if negative cats 
don't come into contact with positives they won't get infected. Also infection 
results from long time exposure, ie if a negative licks a postive dish once in 
a blue moon he won't get infected, however if he does clean the + plate every 
day, he could.
If a positive grooms a negative once the negative won't get it but if he does 
it everyday or several times a day he could, same as for sharing beds, 
litterboxes, etc.
 I recently read on internet that infection thru aerosol/ airborne virus is 
rare in cats but common in dogs.., I don't know abt it. While the virus 
live for a few hrs out of the host if a - cat happens to absorb a + sneeze 
right after the + sneezed he could be infected.
I've two FeLV+ one lives in a room by himself though during the day I put him 
in a LG crate in the garage for a change, he loves it.
The other one is in a crate in another room(reason for crate is that it is the 
basement and other cats are around, however he doesn't sneeze so I'm not 
concerned somebody that just happens to pass by could get a droplet or two., 
The first one does have a chronic sinus infection so he sneezes quite a bit.
I keep a litter in another room, young and senior are most vulnerable to 
infection.
All the cats except the new litter are vaccinated.
M

http://homelessnomore.webs.com/

From: Jo gypsyj...@aol.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:45 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve  FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats

Is mixing like this recommended?  In my brood I have a 15-year old tiny girl
who tested positive for FeLV, a 12-year old blind boy and 10-year old girl
who have not been tested, and a 2-year old girl and 6-month old girl who
both tested negative and are vaccinated.  I recently lost my beautiful
2-year old blond boy to FeLV in January and have since been trying to learn
as much as possible about it.  The older cats do not really interact with
the younger ones.  I know it's too late now if I can't mix them and I'm
taking my chances but I'd really like to know if it can be done.  Thank you
in advance for all your help.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing pos and neg cats

2012-02-25 Thread GRAS
Cats get addicted to those little cans because they are loaded with inordinate 
amounts of sugar and fats (it was found that diabetes can be attributed to cats 
whose diet includes only those addictive foods)cats' palates get acclimated 
to them and eventually  refuse any of the good foods, which are still not 
very good for them. I have recently read a report on pet foods - many contain 
flesh from shelter-killed animals, reject meat from slaughterhouses like 
tumors, diseased flesh, cartilage, bones, and even hides. It's a rotten shame 
that one can't even trust the very best and most expensive foods for our dogs 
and cats. There are things that one can place on top of so-called better 
foods, like those dried fish flakes, or teeny amounts of what they like just to 
make them eat something a little better. But if a cat doesn't want to eat at 
all, I always feel that something is better than nothing - as long as they get 
some nutrition!  Some of our cats love people tuna in oil (not water), the 
dark kind, and others like sardines in oil; the smelliest being mackerel...it's 
a matter of trial and error.
BTW - honey contains all kinds of helpful enzymes, especially the kind that 
isn't pasteurized!
Natalie


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 11:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing pos and neg cats

I lnow someone who used Coke in an emergency. Hey it had sugar  it worked!

Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com wrote:

What hapens with giving them a dab of honey is that it boost the blood sugar 
so if they might start to eat. It is the sugar, not the texture. I've a rescue 
group and fosters , we always use honey in cases when a cat stops eating, 
specially with kittens and anemic cats. Rub honey or Karo on their gums so it 
is absorbed by the skin, sugar goes directly in their bloodstream w/o having 
to use energy to break up what they swallowed. Also give sugar water by 
syringe, shoot in cheek pouch.
 
I wished the good foods were more palatable to cats, mine don't like 
them either but they love Purina cat chow and Fancy Feast..like ppl we 
are not too atracted to health food though;) Marta


http://homelessnomore.webs.com/

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From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing pos and neg cats
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 10:58 PM





Toni, i enjoyed reading about your family and your tips. I also put a 
dab of vicks vapor rub on the nose of  my cat that had the respiratory 
infection . I tried Wellness dry cat food but none of my cats would eat 
it. They like some of the purina one  dry food flavors. I tried the 
Tiki brand b/c I heard it was good but after trying it my cats didn't 
really want to keep eating it. they liked the tuna and chicken best or 
plain tuna.  I tired purina one canned but they don't really like it 
that much. They like some of the fancy feast and publix brand and 
target boots and barclay. I would prefer they ate foods without dyes, 
etc but they seem to like the junk food. I give them deli low salt 
turkey for a treat every now and then. Re losing hair years ago I used 
to use frontline and it took the hair off the area of one of my cat's 
neck and it didn't grow back for years. some of my cats foamed at the  
mouth so I just gave up.  I use a flea comb on them, drop the fleas in 
alcohol. I have a cat fence section of my yard and have been treating 
it with diamateceous earth, supposedly a natural flea killer. I have noticed 
fewer fleas so i will keep trying.
Another issue is kitty litter. My cats hate any scented. Re the corn 
and hard pellet, they refused to use it. I currently use Dr Eisley but 
it doesn't absorb as good as it used to.





From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:10 PM
Subject: Tips to share?





On a different subject thought I might share this
 
Re taking cats to vets:
I often forget this in the stress of trying to help a sick animal
 but if you put an  t shirt or towel you wore in the carrier with your 
scent , it seems to calm them. Ask vet staff to put it in their kennels 
if they are being transferred from the carrier they came in..
Re getting a cat to eat:
I recently had three older cats that were sick and were being treated 
with antibiotics and wouldn't eat. One had upper respiratory congestion. One 
urinary infection.
One reason unknown. They were on antibiotics but still wouldn't eat.
Sometimes antibiotics upset stomach.
Searched the internet and found a suggestion to put a dab of honey in 
their mouth. Don't know if coincidence or the antibiotics kicking in
 but it seemed to help them maybe soothed sore throat or stomach. I 
only put a dime sized drop

Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing pos and neg cats

2012-02-24 Thread Marta Gasper
What hapens with giving them a dab of honey is that it boost the blood sugar so 
if they might start to eat. It is the sugar, not the texture. I've a rescue 
group and fosters , we always use honey in cases when a cat stops eating, 
specially with kittens and anemic cats. Rub honey or Karo on their gums so it 
is absorbed by the skin, sugar goes directly in their bloodstream w/o having to 
use energy to break up what they swallowed. Also give sugar water by syringe, 
shoot in cheek pouch.
 
I wished the good foods were more palatable to cats, mine don't like them 
either but they love Purina cat chow and Fancy Feast..like ppl we are not too 
atracted to health food though;)
Marta


http://homelessnomore.webs.com/

--- On Fri, 2/24/12, dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing pos and neg cats
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 10:58 PM





Toni, i enjoyed reading about your family and your tips. I also put a dab of
vicks vapor rub on the nose of  my cat that had the respiratory infection . I 
tried 
Wellness dry cat food but none of my cats would eat it. They like some of
the purina one  dry food flavors. I tried the Tiki brand b/c I heard it was 
good but
after trying it my cats didn't really want to keep eating it. they liked the 
tuna
and chicken best or plain tuna.  I tired purina one canned but they
don't really like it that much. They like some of
the fancy feast and publix brand and target boots and barclay. I would prefer 
they ate foods without dyes, etc but they seem to like the junk food. I give
them deli low salt turkey for a treat every now and then. Re losing hair
years ago I used to use frontline and it took the hair off the area of one of
my cat's neck and it didn't grow back for years. some of my cats foamed
at the  mouth so I just gave up.  I use a flea comb on them, drop the fleas in
alcohol. I have a cat fence section of my yard and have been treating it
with diamateceous earth, supposedly a natural flea killer. I have noticed
fewer fleas so i will keep trying. 
Another issue is kitty litter. My cats hate any scented. Re the corn and hard
pellet, they refused to use it. I currently use
Dr Eisley but it doesn't absorb as good as it used to. 





From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:10 PM
Subject: Tips to share?





On a different subject thought I might share this 
 
Re taking cats to vets:
I often forget this in the stress of trying to help a sick animal
 but if you put an  t shirt or towel you wore in the carrier with your scent , 
it
seems to calm them. Ask vet staff to put it in their kennels if they are being 
transferred 
from the carrier they came in..
Re getting a cat to eat:
I recently had three older cats that were sick and were being treated with 
antibiotics
and wouldn't eat. One had upper respiratory congestion. One urinary infection.
One reason unknown. They were on antibiotics but still wouldn't eat.
Sometimes antibiotics upset stomach.
Searched the internet and found a suggestion to put a dab of honey in
their mouth. Don't know if coincidence or the antibiotics kicking in
 but it seemed to help them maybe soothed
sore throat or stomach. I only put a dime sized drop on outer lips once or 
twice . I am not a vet so
if you are thinking of trying this,. 
Check with your vet first, as i did to make sure no harm given your cat's 
specific condition..
one of the sites mentioning honey is 
mia-carter.suite101.com/why-isnt-my-cat-eating-a60630
has anyone else had experience with this home remedy?
Cat with upper respiratory infection:
I also put my cat in the bathroom when i took a steaming shower. I think 
it really helped.
 

    


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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing pos and neg cats

2012-02-24 Thread Beth
I lnow someone who used Coke in an emergency. Hey it had sugar  it worked!

Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com wrote:

What hapens with giving them a dab of honey is that it boost the blood sugar 
so if they might start to eat. It is the sugar, not the texture. I've a rescue 
group and fosters , we always use honey in cases when a cat stops eating, 
specially with kittens and anemic cats. Rub honey or Karo on their gums so it 
is absorbed by the skin, sugar goes directly in their bloodstream w/o having 
to use energy to break up what they swallowed. Also give sugar water by 
syringe, shoot in cheek pouch.
 
I wished the good foods were more palatable to cats, mine don't like them 
either but they love Purina cat chow and Fancy Feast..like ppl we are not too 
atracted to health food though;)
Marta


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From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing pos and neg cats
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 10:58 PM





Toni, i enjoyed reading about your family and your tips. I also put a dab of
vicks vapor rub on the nose of  my cat that had the respiratory infection . I 
tried 
Wellness dry cat food but none of my cats would eat it. They like some of
the purina one  dry food flavors. I tried the Tiki brand b/c I heard it was 
good but
after trying it my cats didn't really want to keep eating it. they liked the 
tuna
and chicken best or plain tuna.  I tired purina one canned but they
don't really like it that much. They like some of
the fancy feast and publix brand and target boots and barclay. I would prefer 
they ate foods without dyes, etc but they seem to like the junk food. I give
them deli low salt turkey for a treat every now and then. Re losing hair
years ago I used to use frontline and it took the hair off the area of one of
my cat's neck and it didn't grow back for years. some of my cats foamed
at the  mouth so I just gave up.  I use a flea comb on them, drop the fleas in
alcohol. I have a cat fence section of my yard and have been treating it
with diamateceous earth, supposedly a natural flea killer. I have noticed
fewer fleas so i will keep trying. 
Another issue is kitty litter. My cats hate any scented. Re the corn and hard
pellet, they refused to use it. I currently use
Dr Eisley but it doesn't absorb as good as it used to. 





From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:10 PM
Subject: Tips to share?





On a different subject thought I might share this 
 
Re taking cats to vets:
I often forget this in the stress of trying to help a sick animal
 but if you put an  t shirt or towel you wore in the carrier with your scent , 
it
seems to calm them. Ask vet staff to put it in their kennels if they are being 
transferred 
from the carrier they came in..
Re getting a cat to eat:
I recently had three older cats that were sick and were being treated with 
antibiotics
and wouldn't eat. One had upper respiratory congestion. One urinary infection.
One reason unknown. They were on antibiotics but still wouldn't eat.
Sometimes antibiotics upset stomach.
Searched the internet and found a suggestion to put a dab of honey in
their mouth. Don't know if coincidence or the antibiotics kicking in
 but it seemed to help them maybe soothed
sore throat or stomach. I only put a dime sized drop on outer lips once or 
twice . I am not a vet so
if you are thinking of trying this,. 
Check with your vet first, as i did to make sure no harm given your cat's 
specific condition..
one of the sites mentioning honey is 
mia-carter.suite101.com/why-isnt-my-cat-eating-a60630
has anyone else had experience with this home remedy?
Cat with upper respiratory infection:
I also put my cat in the bathroom when i took a steaming shower. I think 
it really helped.
 

    


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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-15 Thread Natalie
Vaccinating cats for anything when their immune systems are seriously
compromised can be very dangerous!  I have also known friends with cats that
were routinely vaccinated against FeLV that developed all kinds of cancers -
coincidence or not, it does happen. Natlie

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create_me_...@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 8:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

Yes, it can be. Stress can also be damaging  was a big reason I chose to
mix.
At this point my negative cats are all 9-10 yrs old  have other medical
issues which will probably get them way before FeLV or Vaccine sarcomas.
Again, it is a personal choice which should not be made lightly. All the
Info should be looked at  each person has to make the choice they know they
can live with.

Beth
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Michelle Brockman  teals...@hotmail.com
Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:31:49 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

Over vaccinating can also be damaging in its own right. Please everyone
remember that.


-Original Message-
From: Beth
Sent: 10/14/2010 11:16:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives,
including my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives  5 positives who
shared everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with
one of my negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times
over the years  NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who
obviously had a depressed immune system. He lived for many years after the
FeLV cats passed away.
I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision
lightly reached  I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives
cats were protected.
I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision  should be
discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives
re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week, 
then let them mix.
Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.org

--- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM

I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100%
efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a
terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the
virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with
mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual
shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on
in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very
positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but
could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other
pets, vaccine or not.


-Original Message-
From: Melinda Kerr
Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and
every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for
sharing.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank  Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote:

 I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me.  He tested positive in
January
 of 2008.  At that time Casper was about 4 years old.  I had all my
positive
 cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of
 2008.  In July I took in another positive and in September still another
 positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem.  I kept
 all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines.  In December of 2009
 Casper started sneezing quite a bit.  He went through a round of
antibiotics
 and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on
 meds again.  Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I
 took him to the vet again.  That was when they decided to test him for
 feline leukemia.  He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010.
 I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another
 cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be
 checked out.  Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably
 positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years
with
 me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had
never
 mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive.
 I'm

Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-15 Thread Michelle Brockman
I know of several instances of the same thing happening Natalie in addition to 
two kittens I personally adopted devloping FIP after vaccines which is why I 
feel so strongly about vaccines. Also, there seems to be a higher occurance of 
injection site sarcomas when the felv vaccine is combined with the rabies 
vaccine. fyi


-Original Message-
From: Natalie
Sent: 10/15/2010 1:37:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
Vaccinating cats for anything when their immune systems are seriously
compromised can be very dangerous!  I have also known friends with cats that
were routinely vaccinated against FeLV that developed all kinds of cancers -
coincidence or not, it does happen. Natlie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
create_me_...@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 8:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

Yes, it can be. Stress can also be damaging  was a big reason I chose to
mix.
At this point my negative cats are all 9-10 yrs old  have other medical
issues which will probably get them way before FeLV or Vaccine sarcomas.
Again, it is a personal choice which should not be made lightly. All the
Info should be looked at  each person has to make the choice they know they
can live with.

Beth
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Michelle Brockman  teals...@hotmail.com
Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:31:49
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

Over vaccinating can also be damaging in its own right. Please everyone
remember that.


-Original Message-
From: Beth
Sent: 10/14/2010 11:16:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives,
including my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives  5 positives who
shared everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with
one of my negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times
over the years  NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who
obviously had a depressed immune system. He lived for many years after the
FeLV cats passed away.
I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision
lightly reached  I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives
cats were protected.
I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision  should be
discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives
re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week, 
then let them mix.
Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! 
www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.org

--- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM

I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100%
efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a
terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the
virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with
mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual
shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on
in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very
positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but
could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other
pets, vaccine or not.


-Original Message-
From: Melinda Kerr
Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and
every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for
sharing.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank  Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote:

 I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me.  He tested positive in
January
 of 2008.  At that time Casper was about 4 years old.  I had all my
positive
 cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of
 2008.  In July I took in another positive and in September still another
 positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem.  I kept
 all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines.  In December of 2009
 Casper started sneezing quite a bit.  He went through a round of
antibiotics
 and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on
 meds again.  Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I
 took him to the vet again.  That was when they decided to test him for
 feline leukemia

Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-15 Thread Natalie
My veterinarian NEVER vaccinates cats at the time of surgery,
illness...unlike many vets who insist on vaccinating no matter how ill the
cats are.Cat owners do not bother finding out which vaccines to choose
or not, depending on a cat's lifestylemany blindly accept a vet's
vaccine protocolgetting FeLV and FIV vaccines when it isn't warranted,
neither going outside or exposed to other cats who might have it.I have
yet to see a vet who adheres to the latest protocol for FVRCP instead of
yearly, every three years.  It's all about the money with many
vets.Personally, I have not have cats with injection site sarcomas, nor
from FeLV vaccines - have never used them yet.  I have only two healthy
FeLV+ cats that are very healthy.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 11:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

I know of several instances of the same thing happening Natalie in addition
to two kittens I personally adopted devloping FIP after vaccines which is
why I feel so strongly about vaccines. Also, there seems to be a higher
occurance of injection site sarcomas when the felv vaccine is combined with
the rabies vaccine. fyi


-Original Message-
From: Natalie
Sent: 10/15/2010 1:37:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
Vaccinating cats for anything when their immune systems are seriously
compromised can be very dangerous!  I have also known friends with cats that
were routinely vaccinated against FeLV that developed all kinds of cancers -
coincidence or not, it does happen. Natlie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
create_me_...@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 8:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

Yes, it can be. Stress can also be damaging  was a big reason I chose to
mix.
At this point my negative cats are all 9-10 yrs old  have other medical
issues which will probably get them way before FeLV or Vaccine sarcomas.
Again, it is a personal choice which should not be made lightly. All the
Info should be looked at  each person has to make the choice they know they
can live with.

Beth
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Michelle Brockman  teals...@hotmail.com
Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:31:49
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

Over vaccinating can also be damaging in its own right. Please everyone
remember that.


-Original Message-
From: Beth
Sent: 10/14/2010 11:16:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives,
including my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives  5 positives who
shared everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with
one of my negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times
over the years  NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who
obviously had a depressed immune system. He lived for many years after the
FeLV cats passed away.
I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision
lightly reached  I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives
cats were protected.
I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision  should be
discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives
re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week, 
then let them mix.
Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter!
www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Fur
kids.org

--- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM

I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100%
efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a
terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the
virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with
mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual
shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on
in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very
positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but
could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other
pets, vaccine or not.


-Original Message-
From: Melinda Kerr
Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I'm sorry for your loss

Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-15 Thread dlgegg
it isn't that bad, i don't spend as much  as it sounds.  mostly keep them 
healthy and you don't have too many vet calls.
 Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
 Man, I bet the vets love us...
 - Original Message - 
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 6:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
 
 
  MY VET ADVISED ME TO KEEP THE NEGATIVES SEPERATED UNTIL THEIR VACCINATION 
  HAD TIME TO TAKE EFFECT.  SINCE THEN, MY POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES ARE 
  MIXED.  COURSE, YOU HAVE TO KEEP UP TO DATE ON SHOTS FOR THE NEGATIVES, 
  JUST TO BE SURE.  ALL OF MY CHILDREN ARE DOING WELL.  KEPING THEM APART IS 
  SO STRESSFUL EXPECIALLY IF THERE IS ONLY ONE POSITIVE.  I THINK THAT HURTS 
  THEM MORE THAN LETTING THEM MIX.  WE KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON EVERYONE AND WHEN 
  SOMEONE ACTS A BIT DIFFERENT, OFF TO THE VET WE GO.  THAT WAY WE CAN CATCH 
  A PROBLEM BEFORE IT GETS TOO BIG.
   create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:
  Yes, it can be. Stress can also be damaging  was a big reason I chose to 
  mix.
  At this point my negative cats are all 9-10 yrs old  have other medical 
  issues which will probably get them way before FeLV or Vaccine sarcomas.
  Again, it is a personal choice which should not be made lightly. All the 
  Info should be looked at  each person has to make the choice they know 
  they can live with.
 
  Beth
  Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Michelle Brockman  teals...@hotmail.com
  Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:31:49
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
 
  Over vaccinating can also be damaging in its own right. Please everyone 
  remember that.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Beth
  Sent: 10/14/2010 11:16:48 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
  I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives, 
  including my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives  5 positives who 
  shared everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room 
  with one of my negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several 
  times over the years  NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, 
  who obviously had a depressed immune system. He lived for many years 
  after the FeLV cats passed away.
  I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision 
  lightly reached  I took every initial precaution to make sure my 
  negatives cats were protected.
  I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision  should 
  be discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives 
  re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week,  
  then let them mix.
  Beth
  Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.org
 
  --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM
 
  I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 
  100% efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die 
  a terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the 
  virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with 
  mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means 
  continual shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also 
  be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to 
  consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals regardless of 
  their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to risk 
  endangering their other pets, vaccine or not.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Melinda Kerr
  Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
  I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year 
  and every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for 
  sharing.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank  Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com 
  wrote:
 
   I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me.  He tested positive in 
   January
   of 2008.  At that time Casper was about 4 years old.  I had all my 
   positive
   cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April 
   of
   2008.  In July I took in another positive and in September still 
   another
   positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem.  I 
   kept
   all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines.  In December of 
   2009
   Casper started sneezing quite a bit.  He went through a round of 
   antibiotics
   and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he

Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-14 Thread terrie
Melinda,
Well, this is my opinion and experience with having FELV kitties in the past but don'tany now.
My first personal experience was back in mid part of1999 I got a kitten that I named Taz was FELV and he died in January 2002. He had it in his bone marrow.He diedfrom secondary illnesses. 
Spent a lot of money on him to try andsave him money was not a factor. My husband and I didn't care did whatever it took.
Anyway, I had other personal kitties both young and older adults that lived with this kitten up to his passing. They played, ate, shared litter boxes, bathe, and slept together during this time. My other kitties were vaccinated every year and some were not this was due to the age since I had a few seniors at the time when they passed they did not die of FELV. I have to say no one tested positive during and after he died. I lost my eldest cat back in March of 2010 that personally took care of Taz when he was alive. She did not die of FELV. She was 21 years old and went into kidney failure. I was with her when she died.
My conclusion is that no one came down with FELV.

So I guess my point is it is you that can make the decision of whether you want to mix or not. 
There are some of us on this group that do mix and some that do not.
I do not have the fear of having a FELV kitty and mixing with my personal cats.

In rescue I donot mix this is for safety reasons.

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUESultan, WA. 98294Terrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://tazzys.org/Non-Profit national rescue
Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.



 Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] MixingFrom: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.comDate: Wed, October 13, 2010 2:14 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgOK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one.  What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and negatives. My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on her initial test. We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old. She now receives chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any signs of being sick. Today, I "rescued" a stray that I thought for certain would be positive. However, the initial test was negative. I have the cats separated and intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in. They have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well. Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him. Neither of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem. I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great results. I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative became positive. I'm looking for stories of success or failure. Please share your stories!Thanks,Melinda, Fuji and Shadow___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-14 Thread Bonnie Hogue
Melinda
Beautiful story, thank you.
I'm beginning to think each FeLV case is a little different -- maybe varying 
degrees of infection, or locale of infection, I don't know.  My mantra is, 
better safe than sorry.
You obviously loved Taz very much.  My condolensces on his passing.
I too once had a 21 year old cat who was an amazing kitty.  
May all our cats live to 21 -- or longer!
~Bonnie
  - Original Message - 
  From: ter...@tazzys.org 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 8:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing


  Melinda,
  Well, this is my opinion and experience with having FELV kitties in the past 
but don't any now.
  My first personal experience was back in mid part of1999 I got a kitten that 
I named Taz was FELV and he died in January 2002. He had it in his bone marrow. 
He died from secondary illnesses. 
  Spent a lot of money on him to try and save him money was not a factor. My 
husband and I didn't care did whatever it took.
  Anyway, I had other personal kitties both young and older adults that lived 
with this kitten up to his passing. They played, ate, shared litter boxes, 
bathe, and slept together during this time. My other kitties were vaccinated 
every year and some were not this was due to the age since I had a few seniors 
at the time when they passed they did not die of FELV. I have to say no one 
tested positive during and after he died. I lost my eldest cat back in March of 
2010 that personally took care of Taz when he was alive. She did not die of 
FELV. She was 21 years old and went into kidney failure. I was with her when 
she died.
  My conclusion is that no one came down with FELV.

  So I guess my point is it is you that can make the decision of whether you 
want to mix or not. 
  There are some of us on this group that do mix and some that do not.
  I do not have the fear of having a FELV kitty and mixing with my personal 
cats.

  In rescue I do not mix this is for safety reasons.



  TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
  Sultan, WA. 98294
  Terrie Mohr-Forker
  http://tazzys.org/
  Non-Profit national rescue
  Dedicated to the welfare of animals.

  Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.


 Original Message 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing
From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
Date: Wed, October 13, 2010 2:14 am
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

OK,  I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one.   
What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives 
and negatives.  My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up 
on her initial test.  We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass 
developed when she was almost a year old.  She now receives chemo and is doing 
really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any signs 
of being sick.  

Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive.  
However, the initial test was negative.  I have the cats separated and intend 
to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in.  They have been 
introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well.  
Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him.  Neither of my vets seem 
to think that mixing them will be a problem.  

I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great 
results.  I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative 
became positive.  I'm looking for stories of success or failure.  Please share 
your stories!

Thanks,
Melinda, Fuji and Shadow
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-14 Thread Natalie
I think everyone must understand that ANY vaccine is at best only 80%
effective!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100%
efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a
terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the
virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with
mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual
shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on
in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very
positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but
could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other
pets, vaccine or not.


-Original Message-
From: Melinda Kerr
Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and
every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for
sharing.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank  Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote:

 I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me.  He tested positive in
January
 of 2008.  At that time Casper was about 4 years old.  I had all my
positive
 cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of
 2008.  In July I took in another positive and in September still another
 positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem.  I kept
 all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines.  In December of 2009
 Casper started sneezing quite a bit.  He went through a round of
antibiotics
 and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on
 meds again.  Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I
 took him to the vet again.  That was when they decided to test him for
 feline leukemia.  He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010.
 I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another
 cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be
 checked out.  Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably
 positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years
with
 me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had
never
 mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive.
 I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand
 that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous
 disease.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr
 Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:15 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing

 OK,  I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one.
 What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed
positives
 and negatives.  My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show
 up on her initial test.  We did not know she was positive until a
 mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old.  She now
receives
 chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has
 never shown any signs of being sick.

 Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive.
  However, the initial test was negative.  I have the cats separated and
 intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in.  They
 have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along
 quite well.  Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him.
Neither
 of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem.

 I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great
 results.  I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative
 became positive.  I'm looking for stories of success or failure.  Please
 share your stories!

 Thanks,
 Melinda, Fuji and Shadow
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-14 Thread Joslin Potter
I agree, my vet told us we could try the vaccine, but it would be best to get 
another felv cat. They refer the shot to people who already have more than one 
cat in there household and find out that one is infected.. so they don't have 
to 
rid of any there pets, but if you can save another felv why not?





From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 2:18:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

I think everyone must understand that ANY vaccine is at best only 80%
effective!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100%
efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a
terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the
virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with
mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual
shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on
in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very
positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but
could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other
pets, vaccine or not.


-Original Message-
From: Melinda Kerr
Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and
every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for
sharing.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank  Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote:

 I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me.  He tested positive in
January
 of 2008.  At that time Casper was about 4 years old.  I had all my
positive
 cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of
 2008.  In July I took in another positive and in September still another
 positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem.  I kept
 all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines.  In December of 2009
 Casper started sneezing quite a bit.  He went through a round of
antibiotics
 and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on
 meds again.  Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I
 took him to the vet again.  That was when they decided to test him for
 feline leukemia.  He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010.
 I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another
 cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be
 checked out.  Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably
 positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years
with
 me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had
never
 mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive.
 I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand
 that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous
 disease.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr
 Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:15 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing

 OK,  I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one.
 What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed
positives
 and negatives.  My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show
 up on her initial test.  We did not know she was positive until a
 mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old.  She now
receives
 chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has
 never shown any signs of being sick.

 Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive.
  However, the initial test was negative.  I have the cats separated and
 intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in.  They
 have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along
 quite well.  Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him.
Neither
 of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem.

 I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great
 results.  I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative
 became positive.  I'm looking for stories of success or failure.  Please
 share your stories!

 Thanks,
 Melinda, Fuji and Shadow
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-14 Thread Melinda Kerr

Thank you Tazzy for your positive story.  We are already so attached and I am 
so torn.  I certainly don't want to make this sweet baby sick!

I believe that Shadow (our current name choice may change!) chose us for a 
reason!  My husband never would have considered another cat if this one hadn't 
called out to him while we were taking a walk.  I waited 2 full days before 
checking to see if the police had picked him up.  Sure enough he was.  I don't 
know why I knew it was meant to be, but it definitely was.  

Fuji is really curious about him and I believe they will be good friends.  I 
plan to take every precaution including separate litter boxes and food bowls 
until he is older.

Thank you all for your stories of mixing.

Melinda, Fuji and Shadow

On 15 Oct, 2010,at 12:30 AM, ter...@tazzys.org wrote:

Melinda,
Well, this is my opinion and experience with having FELV kitties in the past 
but don't any now.
My first personal experience was back in mid part of1999 I got a kitten that I 
named Taz was FELV and he died in January 2002. He had it in his bone 
marrow. He died from secondary illnesses.
Spent a lot of money on him to try and save him money was not a factor. My 
husband and I didn't care did whatever it took.
Anyway, I had other personal kitties both young and older adults that lived 
with this kitten up to his passing. They played, ate, shared litter boxes, 
bathe, and slept together during this time. My other kitties were vaccinated 
every year and some were not this was due to the age since I had a few seniors 
at the time when they passed they did not die of FELV. I have to say no one 
tested positive during and after he died. I lost my eldest cat back in March of 
2010 that personally took care of Taz when he was alive. She did not die of 
FELV. She was 21 years old and went into kidney failure. I was with her when 
she died.
My conclusion is that no one came down with FELV.

So I guess my point is it is you that can make the decision of whether you want 
to mix or not.
There are some of us on this group that do mix and some that do not.
I do not have the fear of having a FELV kitty and mixing with my personal cats.

In rescue I do not mix this is for safety reasons.

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
Sultan, WA. 98294
Terrie Mohr-Forker
http://tazzys.org/
Non-Profit national rescue
Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
 
Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.


 Original Message 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing
From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
Date: Wed, October 13, 2010 2:14 am
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

OK,  I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one.   What I 
really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and 
negatives.  My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on 
her initial test.  We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass 
developed when she was almost a year old.  She now receives chemo and is doing 
really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any signs 
of being sick.  

Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive.  
However, the initial test was negative.  I have the cats separated and intend to 
vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in.  They have been introduced to 
each other and seem as though they will get along quite well.  Fuji is not a fighter and 
I cannot see her biting him.  Neither of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a 
problem.  

I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great results.  
I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative became 
positive.  I'm looking for stories of success or failure.  Please share your 
stories!

Thanks,
Melinda, Fuji and Shadow
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-14 Thread Gloria Lane

I have to say my experience is pretty much the same as Terrie's.  With my first 
FeLV kitties, Calawalla Banana Booboo and Mr Black Kitty, I was pretty 
paranoid. I think it was 2001.  But even the vet reassured mr that the virus 
wasn't that contagious.  I relaxed a bit.

At some point I decided to mix and have never had a problem. My friend Susan - 
we're in the same rescue - has the same experience. 

Gloria
Little Rock, Ar 


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 14, 2010, at 10:30 AM, ter...@tazzys.org wrote:

 Melinda,
 Well, this is my opinion and experience with having FELV kitties in the past 
 but don't any now.
 My first personal experience was back in mid part of1999 I got a kitten that 
 I named Taz was FELV and he died in January 2002. He had it in his bone 
 marrow. He died from secondary illnesses.
 Spent a lot of money on him to try and save him money was not a factor. My 
 husband and I didn't care did whatever it took.
 Anyway, I had other personal kitties both young and older adults that lived 
 with this kitten up to his passing. They played, ate, shared litter boxes, 
 bathe, and slept together during this time. My other kitties were vaccinated 
 every year and some were not this was due to the age since I had a few 
 seniors at the time when they passed they did not die of FELV. I have to say 
 no one tested positive during and after he died. I lost my eldest cat back in 
 March of 2010 that personally took care of Taz when he was alive. She did not 
 die of FELV. She was 21 years old and went into kidney failure. I was with 
 her when she died.
 My conclusion is that no one came down with FELV.
  
 So I guess my point is it is you that can make the decision of whether you 
 want to mix or not.
 There are some of us on this group that do mix and some that do not.
 I do not have the fear of having a FELV kitty and mixing with my personal 
 cats.
  
 In rescue I do not mix this is for safety reasons.
 
 TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
 Sultan, WA. 98294
 Terrie Mohr-Forker
 http://tazzys.org/
 Non-Profit national rescue
 Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
  
 Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.
  
  
  Original Message 
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing
 From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
 Date: Wed, October 13, 2010 2:14 am
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
 OK,  I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one.   What 
 I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and 
 negatives.  My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on 
 her initial test.  We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass 
 developed when she was almost a year old.  She now receives chemo and is 
 doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any 
 signs of being sick.  
 
 Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive.  
 However, the initial test was negative.  I have the cats separated and intend 
 to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in.  They have been 
 introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well.  
 Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him.  Neither of my vets 
 seem to think that mixing them will be a problem.  
 
 I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great 
 results.  I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative 
 became positive.  I'm looking for stories of success or failure.  Please 
 share your stories!
 
 Thanks,
 Melinda, Fuji and Shadow
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-14 Thread Beth
I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives, including 
my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives  5 positives who shared 
everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with one of my 
negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times over the years  
NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who obviously had a depressed 
immune system. He lived for many years after the FeLV cats passed away.
I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision lightly 
reached  I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives cats were 
protected.
I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision  should be 
discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives 
re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week,  then 
let them mix.
Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   

--- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM

I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% 
efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible 
death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, 
regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus 
can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking 
quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just 
fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals 
regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to 
risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not.


-Original Message-
From: Melinda Kerr
Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and 
every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank  Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote:

 I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me.  He tested positive in January
 of 2008.  At that time Casper was about 4 years old.  I had all my positive
 cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of
 2008.  In July I took in another positive and in September still another
 positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem.  I kept
 all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines.  In December of 2009
 Casper started sneezing quite a bit.  He went through a round of antibiotics
 and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on
 meds again.  Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I
 took him to the vet again.  That was when they decided to test him for
 feline leukemia.  He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010.
 I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another
 cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be
 checked out.  Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably
 positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years with
 me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had never
 mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive.
 I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand
 that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous
 disease.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr
 Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:15 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing

 OK,  I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one.
 What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives
 and negatives.  My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show
 up on her initial test.  We did not know she was positive until a
 mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old.  She now receives
 chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has
 never shown any signs of being sick.

 Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive.
  However, the initial test was negative.  I have the cats separated and
 intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in.  They
 have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along
 quite well.  Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him.  Neither
 of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem.

 I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great
 results.  I did not see any stories of mixing where

Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-14 Thread Michelle Brockman
Over vaccinating can also be damaging in its own right. Please everyone 
remember that.


-Original Message-
From: Beth
Sent: 10/14/2010 11:16:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives, including 
my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives  5 positives who shared 
everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with one of my 
negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times over the years  
NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who obviously had a depressed 
immune system. He lived for many years after the FeLV cats passed away.
I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision lightly 
reached  I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives cats were 
protected.
I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision  should be 
discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives 
re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week,  then 
let them mix.
Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.org

--- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM

I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% 
efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible 
death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, 
regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus 
can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking 
quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just 
fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals 
regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to 
risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not.


-Original Message-
From: Melinda Kerr
Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and 
every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank  Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote:

 I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me.  He tested positive in January
 of 2008.  At that time Casper was about 4 years old.  I had all my positive
 cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of
 2008.  In July I took in another positive and in September still another
 positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem.  I kept
 all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines.  In December of 2009
 Casper started sneezing quite a bit.  He went through a round of antibiotics
 and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on
 meds again.  Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I
 took him to the vet again.  That was when they decided to test him for
 feline leukemia.  He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010.
 I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another
 cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be
 checked out.  Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably
 positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years with
 me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had never
 mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive.
 I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand
 that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous
 disease.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr
 Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:15 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing

 OK,  I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one.
 What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives
 and negatives.  My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show
 up on her initial test.  We did not know she was positive until a
 mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old.  She now receives
 chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has
 never shown any signs of being sick.

 Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive.
  However, the initial test was negative.  I have the cats separated and
 intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in.  They
 have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along
 quite well.  Fuji

Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-14 Thread Beth
Yes, vaccines can be damaging. The stress of keeping the cats separated can be 
damaging as well. Stress on the cats was a big factor in me mixing mine. It is 
a choice you have to make - weigh your options, talk to your vet, talk to 
others  make the decision you are comfortable with. 
At this point my negative cats are all about 9-10 years old  have other 
medical issues which will probably get them 1st. If they get FeLV I am not 
going to feel horrible or second guess myself. If they get vaccine sarcomas I 
am not going to hate myself.  They were all rescued from the streets  have all 
had lots of love  good lives.
This is a decision I am comfortable with. Everyone has to make the informed 
decision they know they will not regret.
Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   

--- On Thu, 10/14/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 7:31 PM

Over vaccinating can also be damaging in its own right. Please everyone 
remember that.


-Original Message-
From: Beth
Sent: 10/14/2010 11:16:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives, including 
my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives  5 positives who shared 
everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with one of my 
negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times over the years  
NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who obviously had a depressed 
immune system. He lived for many years after the FeLV cats passed away.
I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision lightly 
reached  I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives cats were 
protected.
I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision  should be 
discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives 
re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week,  then 
let them mix.
Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.org

--- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM

I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% 
efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible 
death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, 
regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus 
can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking 
quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just 
fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals 
regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to 
risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not.


-Original Message-
From: Melinda Kerr
Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and 
every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank  Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote:

 I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me.  He tested positive in January
 of 2008.  At that time Casper was about 4 years old.  I had all my positive
 cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of
 2008.  In July I took in another positive and in September still another
 positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem.  I kept
 all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines.  In December of 2009
 Casper started sneezing quite a bit.  He went through a round of antibiotics
 and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on
 meds again.  Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I
 took him to the vet again.  That was when they decided to test him for
 feline leukemia.  He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010.
 I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another
 cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be
 checked out.  Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably
 positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years with
 me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had never
 mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive.
 I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand
 that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous
 disease

Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-14 Thread create_me_new
Yes, it can be. Stress can also be damaging  was a big reason I chose to mix.
At this point my negative cats are all 9-10 yrs old  have other medical issues 
which will probably get them way before FeLV or Vaccine sarcomas.
Again, it is a personal choice which should not be made lightly. All the Info 
should be looked at  each person has to make the choice they know they can 
live with.

Beth
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Michelle Brockman  teals...@hotmail.com
Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:31:49 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

Over vaccinating can also be damaging in its own right. Please everyone 
remember that.


-Original Message-
From: Beth
Sent: 10/14/2010 11:16:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives, including 
my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives  5 positives who shared 
everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with one of my 
negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times over the years  
NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who obviously had a depressed 
immune system. He lived for many years after the FeLV cats passed away.
I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision lightly 
reached  I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives cats were 
protected.
I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision  should be 
discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives 
re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week,  then 
let them mix.
Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.org

--- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM

I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% 
efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible 
death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, 
regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus 
can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking 
quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just 
fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals 
regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to 
risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not.


-Original Message-
From: Melinda Kerr
Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and 
every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank  Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote:

 I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me.  He tested positive in January
 of 2008.  At that time Casper was about 4 years old.  I had all my positive
 cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of
 2008.  In July I took in another positive and in September still another
 positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem.  I kept
 all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines.  In December of 2009
 Casper started sneezing quite a bit.  He went through a round of antibiotics
 and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on
 meds again.  Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I
 took him to the vet again.  That was when they decided to test him for
 feline leukemia.  He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010.
 I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another
 cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be
 checked out.  Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably
 positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years with
 me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had never
 mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive.
 I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand
 that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous
 disease.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr
 Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:15 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing

 OK,  I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one.
 What I really want

Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-14 Thread dlgegg
MY VET ADVISED ME TO KEEP THE NEGATIVES SEPERATED UNTIL THEIR VACCINATION HAD 
TIME TO TAKE EFFECT.  SINCE THEN, MY POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES ARE MIXED.  
COURSE, YOU HAVE TO KEEP UP TO DATE ON SHOTS FOR THE NEGATIVES, JUST TO BE 
SURE.  ALL OF MY CHILDREN ARE DOING WELL.  KEPING THEM APART IS SO STRESSFUL 
EXPECIALLY IF THERE IS ONLY ONE POSITIVE.  I THINK THAT HURTS THEM MORE THAN 
LETTING THEM MIX.  WE KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON EVERYONE AND WHEN SOMEONE ACTS A BIT 
DIFFERENT, OFF TO THE VET WE GO.  THAT WAY WE CAN CATCH A PROBLEM BEFORE IT 
GETS TOO BIG.
 create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Yes, it can be. Stress can also be damaging  was a big reason I chose to mix.
 At this point my negative cats are all 9-10 yrs old  have other medical 
 issues which will probably get them way before FeLV or Vaccine sarcomas.
 Again, it is a personal choice which should not be made lightly. All the Info 
 should be looked at  each person has to make the choice they know they can 
 live with.
 
 Beth
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Michelle Brockman  teals...@hotmail.com
 Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:31:49 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
 
 Over vaccinating can also be damaging in its own right. Please everyone 
 remember that.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Beth
 Sent: 10/14/2010 11:16:48 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
 I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives, 
 including my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives  5 positives who 
 shared everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with 
 one of my negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times over 
 the years  NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who obviously 
 had a depressed immune system. He lived for many years after the FeLV cats 
 passed away.
 I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision lightly 
 reached  I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives cats were 
 protected.
 I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision  should be 
 discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives 
 re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week,  
 then let them mix.
 Beth
 Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.org
 
 --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM
 
 I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% 
 efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a 
 terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus 
 knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so 
 far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual shared 
 eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in 
 litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very 
 positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but could 
 never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other pets, 
 vaccine or not.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Melinda Kerr
 Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
 I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and 
 every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank  Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote:
 
  I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me.  He tested positive in January
  of 2008.  At that time Casper was about 4 years old.  I had all my positive
  cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of
  2008.  In July I took in another positive and in September still another
  positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem.  I kept
  all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines.  In December of 2009
  Casper started sneezing quite a bit.  He went through a round of antibiotics
  and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on
  meds again.  Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I
  took him to the vet again.  That was when they decided to test him for
  feline leukemia.  He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010.
  I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another
  cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be
  checked out.  Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably
  positive when I brought him into my

Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-14 Thread Bonnie Hogue

Man, I bet the vets love us...
- Original Message - 
From: dlg...@windstream.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing


MY VET ADVISED ME TO KEEP THE NEGATIVES SEPERATED UNTIL THEIR VACCINATION 
HAD TIME TO TAKE EFFECT.  SINCE THEN, MY POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES ARE 
MIXED.  COURSE, YOU HAVE TO KEEP UP TO DATE ON SHOTS FOR THE NEGATIVES, 
JUST TO BE SURE.  ALL OF MY CHILDREN ARE DOING WELL.  KEPING THEM APART IS 
SO STRESSFUL EXPECIALLY IF THERE IS ONLY ONE POSITIVE.  I THINK THAT HURTS 
THEM MORE THAN LETTING THEM MIX.  WE KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON EVERYONE AND WHEN 
SOMEONE ACTS A BIT DIFFERENT, OFF TO THE VET WE GO.  THAT WAY WE CAN CATCH 
A PROBLEM BEFORE IT GETS TOO BIG.

 create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:
Yes, it can be. Stress can also be damaging  was a big reason I chose to 
mix.
At this point my negative cats are all 9-10 yrs old  have other medical 
issues which will probably get them way before FeLV or Vaccine sarcomas.
Again, it is a personal choice which should not be made lightly. All the 
Info should be looked at  each person has to make the choice they know 
they can live with.


Beth
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Michelle Brockman  teals...@hotmail.com
Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:31:49
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

Over vaccinating can also be damaging in its own right. Please everyone 
remember that.



-Original Message-
From: Beth
Sent: 10/14/2010 11:16:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives, 
including my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives  5 positives who 
shared everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room 
with one of my negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several 
times over the years  NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, 
who obviously had a depressed immune system. He lived for many years 
after the FeLV cats passed away.
I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision 
lightly reached  I took every initial precaution to make sure my 
negatives cats were protected.
I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision  should 
be discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives 
re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week,  
then let them mix.

Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.org

--- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM

I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 
100% efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die 
a terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the 
virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with 
mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means 
continual shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also 
be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to 
consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals regardless of 
their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to risk 
endangering their other pets, vaccine or not.



-Original Message-
From: Melinda Kerr
Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year 
and every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for 
sharing.


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank  Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com 
wrote:


 I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me.  He tested positive in 
 January
 of 2008.  At that time Casper was about 4 years old.  I had all my 
 positive
 cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April 
 of
 2008.  In July I took in another positive and in September still 
 another
 positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem.  I 
 kept
 all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines.  In December of 
 2009
 Casper started sneezing quite a bit.  He went through a round of 
 antibiotics
 and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was 
 on
 meds again.  Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and 
 I

 took him to the vet again.  That was when they decided to test him for
 feline leukemia.  He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 
 2010.
 I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring 
 another
 cat into the household the first thing I do

Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-13 Thread Pat Kachur
When I adopted my Mandy, I had six other kitties.  When I found (the day 
after I picked her up) that she was positive, I did keep her separated from 
the other six until I got all their vaccinations up to date.  After that, 
per my vet's opinion/advice, I let them all interact.  Mandy passed away 
about 2 years later but no one else has gotten sick (and Mandy's been gone 
for a year now).


Pat
- Original Message - 
From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:14 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing


OK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one. What I 
really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and 
negatives. My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on 
her initial test. We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass 
developed when she was almost a year old. She now receives chemo and is 
doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown 
any signs of being sick.


Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive. 
However, the initial test was negative. I have the cats separated and intend 
to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in. They have been 
introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well. 
Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him. Neither of my vets 
seem to think that mixing them will be a problem.


I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great 
results. I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative 
became positive. I'm looking for stories of success or failure. Please share 
your stories!


Thanks,
Melinda, Fuji and Shadow
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-13 Thread Melinda Kerr
Thank you. I was hoping to hear it would be ok. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 13, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Pat Kachur katn...@charter.net wrote:

 When I adopted my Mandy, I had six other kitties.  When I found (the day 
 after I picked her up) that she was positive, I did keep her separated from 
 the other six until I got all their vaccinations up to date.  After that, per 
 my vet's opinion/advice, I let them all interact.  Mandy passed away about 2 
 years later but no one else has gotten sick (and Mandy's been gone for a year 
 now).
 
 Pat
 - Original Message - From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:14 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing
 
 
 OK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one. What I 
 really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and 
 negatives. My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on 
 her initial test. We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass 
 developed when she was almost a year old. She now receives chemo and is doing 
 really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any signs 
 of being sick.
 
 Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive. 
 However, the initial test was negative. I have the cats separated and intend 
 to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in. They have been 
 introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well. 
 Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him. Neither of my vets 
 seem to think that mixing them will be a problem.
 
 I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great 
 results. I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative 
 became positive. I'm looking for stories of success or failure. Please share 
 your stories!
 
 Thanks,
 Melinda, Fuji and Shadow
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-13 Thread Beth Noren
I rescued a litter of 5, 1 tested positive and was quarantined, and
died of FIP at 12 weeks old.  One of the negatives became sick soon
after, was retested, and he was now positive.  He had no contact with
his sick sister between tests.  I began to get his negative siblings
vaccinated, but did not seperate them from their remaining positive
sibling, as they had already been exposed anyway.  I did keep the
whole group seperate from my original adult cat.  I didn't let them
mix with her for many months, not until the vaccine had been boostered
and and another FeLV test had been done.  The positive remained
positive for the 3.5 years I had him, and the negatives have remained
negative.

Best wishes,
Beth

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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-13 Thread Melinda Kerr
It all seems as though fate has hand, doesn't it?  Thank you for the response. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 13, 2010, at 9:54 PM, Beth Noren maxgoodb...@gmail.com wrote:

 I rescued a litter of 5, 1 tested positive and was quarantined, and
 died of FIP at 12 weeks old.  One of the negatives became sick soon
 after, was retested, and he was now positive.  He had no contact with
 his sick sister between tests.  I began to get his negative siblings
 vaccinated, but did not seperate them from their remaining positive
 sibling, as they had already been exposed anyway.  I did keep the
 whole group seperate from my original adult cat.  I didn't let them
 mix with her for many months, not until the vaccine had been boostered
 and and another FeLV test had been done.  The positive remained
 positive for the 3.5 years I had him, and the negatives have remained
 negative.
 
 Best wishes,
 Beth
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-13 Thread Sharyl
Melinda, mixing is an individual decision.  I had negative kitties when I first 
started rescuing kittens in 2007.  2 of the first 3 were positive.  Once the 
negative was current on the vaccine (original shot and booster 30 days later) I 
mixed mine with no ill effects.  I had a total of 6 positive indoors with my 
negatives.  The positives are all gone now and my negatives are still negative. 
 Other than Stormie all my negatives were adults.  Age seems to make a 
difference.  Adult cats seem to have a natural immunity whereas kittens seem to 
be more susceptible.  Stormie was approx. 16 weeks old when I rescued her and 
the vaccine did protect her.  She is now a very healthy 4 yo.
Sharyl

--- On Wed, 10/13/10, Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com wrote:

 From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 5:14 AM
 OK,  I know I am going to get some
 really strong opinions on this one.   What I really want is
 positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and
 negatives.  My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it
 didn't show up on her initial test.  We did not know she
 was positive until a mediastinal mass developed when she was
 almost a year old.  She now receives chemo and is doing
 really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has
 never shown any signs of being sick.  
 
 Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would
 be positive.  However, the initial test was negative.  I
 have the cats separated and intend to vaccinate as soon as
 one of my vets gets the vaccine in.  They have been
 introduced to each other and seem as though they will get
 along quite well.  Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see
 her biting him.  Neither of my vets seem to think that
 mixing them will be a problem.  
 
 I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed
 with great results.  I did not see any stories of mixing
 where a vaccinated negative became positive.  I'm looking
 for stories of success or failure.  Please share your
 stories!
 
 Thanks,
 Melinda, Fuji and Shadow
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-13 Thread Bonnie Hogue

This is very interesting...
I have been isolating Lucky, my mom's cat, for 4 weeks now.  I let him out 
of his room to sniff the house and let the other cat see him.  It is mostly 
going well (but he hates being stuck inside).  I am having him retested next 
Monday, which will be 5 weeks from the original test. I'm asking for the IFA 
(?) test this time.  If he is positive, I am going to have a mobile vet come 
in and vaccinate my 3 adult cats before he can integrate.  If he is 
negative, he'll be immediately released from his isolation.  Either way, 
they will all eventually have to live together.  Reading your story gives me 
confirmation on my idea.  I guess more isolation is better than not enough, 
even if Lucky doesn't like it!

~Bonnie
- Original Message - 
From: Beth Noren maxgoodb...@gmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing



I rescued a litter of 5, 1 tested positive and was quarantined, and
died of FIP at 12 weeks old.  One of the negatives became sick soon
after, was retested, and he was now positive.  He had no contact with
his sick sister between tests.  I began to get his negative siblings
vaccinated, but did not seperate them from their remaining positive
sibling, as they had already been exposed anyway.  I did keep the
whole group seperate from my original adult cat.  I didn't let them
mix with her for many months, not until the vaccine had been boostered
and and another FeLV test had been done.  The positive remained
positive for the 3.5 years I had him, and the negatives have remained
negative.

Best wishes,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-13 Thread Frank Sue Koren
I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me.  He tested positive in January
of 2008.  At that time Casper was about 4 years old.  I had all my positive
cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of
2008.  In July I took in another positive and in September still another
positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem.  I kept
all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines.  In December of 2009
Casper started sneezing quite a bit.  He went through a round of antibiotics
and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on
meds again.  Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I
took him to the vet again.  That was when they decided to test him for
feline leukemia.  He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010.
I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another
cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be
checked out.  Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably
positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years with
me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had never
mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive. 
I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand
that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous
disease.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:15 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing

OK,  I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one.  
What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives
and negatives.  My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show
up on her initial test.  We did not know she was positive until a
mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old.  She now receives
chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has
never shown any signs of being sick.  

Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive.
 However, the initial test was negative.  I have the cats separated and
intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in.  They
have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along
quite well.  Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him.  Neither
of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem.  

I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great
results.  I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative
became positive.  I'm looking for stories of success or failure.  Please
share your stories!

Thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-13 Thread Melinda Kerr
I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and 
every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank  Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote:

 I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me.  He tested positive in January
 of 2008.  At that time Casper was about 4 years old.  I had all my positive
 cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of
 2008.  In July I took in another positive and in September still another
 positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem.  I kept
 all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines.  In December of 2009
 Casper started sneezing quite a bit.  He went through a round of antibiotics
 and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on
 meds again.  Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I
 took him to the vet again.  That was when they decided to test him for
 feline leukemia.  He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010.
 I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another
 cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be
 checked out.  Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably
 positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years with
 me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had never
 mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive. 
 I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand
 that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous
 disease.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr
 Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:15 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing
 
 OK,  I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one.  
 What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives
 and negatives.  My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show
 up on her initial test.  We did not know she was positive until a
 mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old.  She now receives
 chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has
 never shown any signs of being sick.  
 
 Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive.
  However, the initial test was negative.  I have the cats separated and
 intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in.  They
 have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along
 quite well.  Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him.  Neither
 of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem.  
 
 I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great
 results.  I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative
 became positive.  I'm looking for stories of success or failure.  Please
 share your stories!
 
 Thanks,
 Melinda, Fuji and Shadow
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-13 Thread Michelle Brockman
I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% 
efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible 
death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, 
regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus 
can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking 
quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just 
fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals 
regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to 
risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not.


-Original Message-
From: Melinda Kerr
Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and 
every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank  Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote:

 I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me.  He tested positive in January
 of 2008.  At that time Casper was about 4 years old.  I had all my positive
 cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of
 2008.  In July I took in another positive and in September still another
 positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem.  I kept
 all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines.  In December of 2009
 Casper started sneezing quite a bit.  He went through a round of antibiotics
 and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on
 meds again.  Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I
 took him to the vet again.  That was when they decided to test him for
 feline leukemia.  He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010.
 I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another
 cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be
 checked out.  Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably
 positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years with
 me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had never
 mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive.
 I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand
 that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous
 disease.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr
 Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:15 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing

 OK,  I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one.
 What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives
 and negatives.  My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show
 up on her initial test.  We did not know she was positive until a
 mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old.  She now receives
 chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has
 never shown any signs of being sick.

 Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive.
  However, the initial test was negative.  I have the cats separated and
 intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in.  They
 have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along
 quite well.  Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him.  Neither
 of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem.

 I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great
 results.  I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative
 became positive.  I'm looking for stories of success or failure.  Please
 share your stories!

 Thanks,
 Melinda, Fuji and Shadow
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Re: [Felvtalk] mixing FeLV pos and neg

2009-02-24 Thread MaryChristine
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:23 PM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote:

 i'll look it up in the morning, but i've NEVER seen a figure higher than
 about 6%--incidence of FIV is very low too.

 it's VERY misleading when they keep saying that FIV and FeLV are the most
 common fatal viruses affecting cats. most common is just not the same
 thing as common... or widespread!


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 MC what is the incidence of FELV, do you have any info on that?

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Re: [Felvtalk] mixing FeLV pos and neg

2009-02-23 Thread Lorrie
Thanks for your post Carmen. It was very comforting. Vets are
entirely too quick to suggest euthanasia for FelV pos. cats. This
fall I adopted out a FelV pos kitten to a wonderful couple who also
had two other cats, not positive for FelV.  The first vet at their
cinic told them not to take the kitten, so they brought him back to
me with tears in their eyes. Then two weeks later they returned to get
the kitten, because the other vet in that clinic they go to told them
to get their neg. cats vaccinated, and go ahead and bring home the
kitten, as it wasn't that contagious. I just visited them yesterday
and their positive kitten looks wonderful.  He is healthy and happy
and has a super good home with them.  I can thank this second vet who
was so much better informed than his partner was.

Lorrie

 On 02-21, Carmen Conklin wrote: I am writing in response to Lauries
 note about Isabella.  I have had several negative FeLV cats that
 have been mixed with the FeLV positives over the years and NONE of
 them ever acquired a positive status to the FeLV. It is definitely
 NOT an airborne disease in any way and it takes a very prolonged
 exposure for any negative cats to even possibly acquire the FeLV
 UNLESS they are bitten and direct blood is passed. Most adult cats
 are simply immune to FeLV and IF exposed at all, simply shed it
 off-they do not test postive even if living with those kitties. We
 have worked with hundreds of FeLV kitties over the last 25 years,
 and the non positives who lived with even the sympomatic positives
 did not become positive in their long lifetimes. One recently died
 of old age-not FeLV. Anyway, most people and some vets still have a
 pretty healthy fear of FeLV, but for those of us who have worked
 with these wonderful kitties for awhile and have them for companion
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Re: [Felvtalk] mixing FeLV pos and neg

2009-02-23 Thread MaryChristine
lorrie, thanks for this post.

sometimes it may seem as if i'm anti-vet, when i most decidedly am NOT. i am
against vets not keeping up with the research when presented with a positive
test result. i know that it's totally unrealistic for every vet to be
up-to-date on every species' problems, and considering how low the incidence
of FeLV actually is, i'm not that surprised when a vet doesn't know for sure
what the state-of-the-art is. HOWEVER, when they don't go and look it up, or
ask colleagues, and just go for the easy out or spout information that was
probably NEVER considered accurate, well, those are the vets i want to go
after.

back in 2000, when my cats were all inadvertently exposed, i had JUST
learned that FeLV wasn't airborne, and that having an infected cat breathe
through a screen at my cats wouldn't infect them. it wasn't til a few months
later when i was looking to adopt a paralyzed kitty from a vet that i
learned that if she vaccinated him with the full series, he'd be fine, even
if mine DID come down with the infection later on! i didn't know at that
time how incredibly lucky i was to have found such a vet.

i'm SO glad to hear stories about the vets who care to find out the answers.

please go to www.adopt.bemikitties.com and post this vet's info for
all--hopefully, someday, we'll have a full database for whenever anyone gets
that first, scary diagnosis.. (i'm moving to a new city, and planning on
holding interviews while determining who my vet there will be!)

MC

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:

 Thanks for your post Carmen. It was very comforting. Vets are
 entirely too quick to suggest euthanasia for FelV pos. cats. This
 fall I adopted out a FelV pos kitten to a wonderful couple who also
 had two other cats, not positive for FelV.  The first vet at their
 cinic told them not to take the kitten, so they brought him back to
 me with tears in their eyes. Then two weeks later they returned to get
 the kitten, because the other vet in that clinic they go to told them
 to get their neg. cats vaccinated, and go ahead and bring home the
 kitten, as it wasn't that contagious. I just visited them yesterday
 and their positive kitten looks wonderful.  He is healthy and happy
 and has a super good home with them.  I can thank this second vet who
 was so much better informed than his partner was.

 Lorrie

  On 02-21, Carmen Conklin wrote: I am writing in response to Lauries
  note about Isabella.  I have had several negative FeLV cats that
  have been mixed with the FeLV positives over the years and NONE of
  them ever acquired a positive status to the FeLV. It is definitely
  NOT an airborne disease in any way and it takes a very prolonged
  exposure for any negative cats to even possibly acquire the FeLV
  UNLESS they are bitten and direct blood is passed. Most adult cats
  are simply immune to FeLV and IF exposed at all, simply shed it
  off-they do not test postive even if living with those kitties. We
  have worked with hundreds of FeLV kitties over the last 25 years,
  and the non positives who lived with even the sympomatic positives
  did not become positive in their long lifetimes. One recently died
  of old age-not FeLV. Anyway, most people and some vets still have a
  pretty healthy fear of FeLV, but for those of us who have worked
  with these wonderful kitties for awhile and have them for companion
  animals, experience is a great calmer of all fears of FeLV
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Re: [Felvtalk] mixing FeLV pos and neg

2009-02-23 Thread Gloria B. Lane

MC what is the incidence of FELV, do you have any info on that?

Gloria



On Feb 23, 2009, at 10:41 AM, MaryChristine wrote:


lorrie, thanks for this post.

sometimes it may seem as if i'm anti-vet, when i most decidedly am  
NOT. i am
against vets not keeping up with the research when presented with a  
positive

test result. i know that it's totally unrealistic for every vet to be
up-to-date on every species' problems, and considering how low the  
incidence
of FeLV actually is, i'm not that surprised when a vet doesn't know  
for sure
what the state-of-the-art is. HOWEVER, when they don't go and look  
it up, or
ask colleagues, and just go for the easy out or spout information  
that was
probably NEVER considered accurate, well, those are the vets i want  
to go

after.

back in 2000, when my cats were all inadvertently exposed, i had JUST
learned that FeLV wasn't airborne, and that having an infected cat  
breathe
through a screen at my cats wouldn't infect them. it wasn't til a  
few months

later when i was looking to adopt a paralyzed kitty from a vet that i
learned that if she vaccinated him with the full series, he'd be  
fine, even
if mine DID come down with the infection later on! i didn't know at  
that

time how incredibly lucky i was to have found such a vet.

i'm SO glad to hear stories about the vets who care to find out the  
answers.


please go to www.adopt.bemikitties.com and post this vet's info for
all--hopefully, someday, we'll have a full database for whenever  
anyone gets
that first, scary diagnosis.. (i'm moving to a new city, and  
planning on

holding interviews while determining who my vet there will be!)

MC

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com  
wrote:



Thanks for your post Carmen. It was very comforting. Vets are
entirely too quick to suggest euthanasia for FelV pos. cats. This
fall I adopted out a FelV pos kitten to a wonderful couple who also
had two other cats, not positive for FelV.  The first vet at their
cinic told them not to take the kitten, so they brought him back to
me with tears in their eyes. Then two weeks later they returned to  
get

the kitten, because the other vet in that clinic they go to told them
to get their neg. cats vaccinated, and go ahead and bring home the
kitten, as it wasn't that contagious. I just visited them yesterday
and their positive kitten looks wonderful.  He is healthy and happy
and has a super good home with them.  I can thank this second vet who
was so much better informed than his partner was.

Lorrie


On 02-21, Carmen Conklin wrote: I am writing in response to Lauries
note about Isabella.  I have had several negative FeLV cats that
have been mixed with the FeLV positives over the years and NONE of
them ever acquired a positive status to the FeLV. It is definitely
NOT an airborne disease in any way and it takes a very prolonged
exposure for any negative cats to even possibly acquire the FeLV
UNLESS they are bitten and direct blood is passed. Most adult cats
are simply immune to FeLV and IF exposed at all, simply shed it
off-they do not test postive even if living with those kitties. We
have worked with hundreds of FeLV kitties over the last 25 years,
and the non positives who lived with even the sympomatic positives
did not become positive in their long lifetimes. One recently died
of old age-not FeLV. Anyway, most people and some vets still have a
pretty healthy fear of FeLV, but for those of us who have worked
with these wonderful kitties for awhile and have them for companion
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Re: [Felvtalk] mixing FeLV pos and neg

2009-02-23 Thread Belinda Sauro

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Re: [Felvtalk] mixing FeLV pos and neg

2009-02-21 Thread MaryChristine
thanks, carmen.

you're much gentler than i in your evaluation of veterinary attitudes, and
the damage they do. the more i find of old literature that says what we
already know--bout it being bodily-fluids, not air, requiring close
consistent contact, how many exposed cats either never become positive or
throw the virus off (70%, in the merck veterinary manual), and how many
positive kitties live quite happily with negatives, the more unhappy i
become with the professionals who have chosen not to follow the literature.

the need to retest, and NOT to make life-and-death decisions was taught in
at least some vet schools as much as 20 years ago, and the STRONG
RECOMMENDATION to retest has been in the professional lit since the early
2000s at least...

additionally, there are still no documented cases that i have ever found of
a vaccinated truly negative cat (tested negative on both the ELISSA and IFA,
at an appropriate interval to rule out exposure) who has ever turned
positive from LIVING WITH (as opposed to just visiting or passing in the
night) a true positive (also tested more than once.)

even at its highest incidence, FeLV only appears in less than 10% of the
population natively--if it were as contagious as we are STILL being led to
believe, there would be no feral colonies. think about it..

MC

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.netwrote:

 I am writing in response to Lauries note about Isabella.  I have had
 several
 negative FeLV cats that have been mixed with the FeLV positives over the
 years and NONE of them ever acquired a positive status to the FeLV. It is
 definitely NOT an airborne disease in any way and it takes a very prolonged
 exposure for any negative cats to even possibly acquire the FeLV UNLESS
 they
 are bitten and direct blood is passed. Most adult cats are simply immune to
 FeLV and IF exposed at all, simply shed it off-they do not test postive
 even
 if living with those kitties. We have worked with hundreds of FeLV kitties
 over the last 25  years, and the non positives who lived with even the
 sympomatic positives did not become positive in their long lifetimes. One
 recently died of old age-not FeLV.
 Anyway, most people and some vets still have a pretty healthy fear of FeLV,
 but for those of us who have worked with these wonderful kitties for awhile
 and have them for companion animals, experience  is a great calmer of all
 fears of FeLV positives. Carmen
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Re: [Felvtalk] mixing FeLV pos and neg

2009-02-21 Thread Lynne
Mary Christine, I believe, plain and simple that vets realize the huge 
number of homeless cats, in shelters, in foster and just running wild  and 
simply look at positive or even ill cats as something that should be 
irradicated.  The first thing I was offered when Boo was found to be 
positive was euthanization.  Because we decided not to we saved at least one 
other cat that I know of from that fate.  A family had brought a young cat 
in to be neutered and were given the news of her being positive and didn't 
know if they wanted to take on that responsibility.  My husband and I 
knowing Boo would not be around for long said we would take her, being so 
young and symptom free.  After the vet told them about us and our situation 
they decided they wanted to keep her.  They really loved the cat.  Our vet 
even said he wanted to keep her but he had 3 cats at home already. We were 
the only people who ever went as far as we did to help Boo according to our 
vet and he became far more educated because of him.  I don't fault the vets. 
Most ordinary uninformed people will elect not to keep the cat so a lot of 
vets just don't have the experience dealing with the disease.


Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] mixing FeLV pos and neg



thanks, carmen.

you're much gentler than i in your evaluation of veterinary attitudes, and
the damage they do. the more i find of old literature that says what we
already know--bout it being bodily-fluids, not air, requiring close
consistent contact, how many exposed cats either never become positive or
throw the virus off (70%, in the merck veterinary manual), and how many
positive kitties live quite happily with negatives, the more unhappy i
become with the professionals who have chosen not to follow the 
literature.


the need to retest, and NOT to make life-and-death decisions was taught in
at least some vet schools as much as 20 years ago, and the STRONG
RECOMMENDATION to retest has been in the professional lit since the early
2000s at least...

additionally, there are still no documented cases that i have ever found 
of
a vaccinated truly negative cat (tested negative on both the ELISSA and 
IFA,

at an appropriate interval to rule out exposure) who has ever turned
positive from LIVING WITH (as opposed to just visiting or passing in the
night) a true positive (also tested more than once.)

even at its highest incidence, FeLV only appears in less than 10% of the
population natively--if it were as contagious as we are STILL being led to
believe, there would be no feral colonies. think about it..

MC

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Carmen Conklin 
cwshel...@wildblue.netwrote:



I am writing in response to Lauries note about Isabella.  I have had
several
negative FeLV cats that have been mixed with the FeLV positives over the
years and NONE of them ever acquired a positive status to the FeLV. It is
definitely NOT an airborne disease in any way and it takes a very 
prolonged

exposure for any negative cats to even possibly acquire the FeLV UNLESS
they
are bitten and direct blood is passed. Most adult cats are simply immune 
to

FeLV and IF exposed at all, simply shed it off-they do not test postive
even
if living with those kitties. We have worked with hundreds of FeLV 
kitties

over the last 25  years, and the non positives who lived with even the
sympomatic positives did not become positive in their long lifetimes. One
recently died of old age-not FeLV.
Anyway, most people and some vets still have a pretty healthy fear of 
FeLV,
but for those of us who have worked with these wonderful kitties for 
awhile

and have them for companion animals, experience  is a great calmer of all
fears of FeLV positives. Carmen
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