Re: [proposal] How to do logging from the command line

2004-09-10 Thread Finn Bock
[Jeremias] Hi Finn, I took a look at it and I must say that I'm a bit confused, too. Anyway, I have a proposal to make. I would expect a command-line application to work like any other C-program such as grep, svn, ls or whatever. That means you don't get any [INFO] before each line, but you can

Re: [Proposal] I volunteer to help with 0.20.6

2004-09-10 Thread Chris Bowditch
Anton Tagunov wrote: Hi, gang! I'm Anton Tagunov, a committer with Avalon and Excalibur apache projects. I'm afraid I have not been much active withing these projects lately, but I've still got the commit priviliges and an active apache account. Welcome. I have a full understanding of current

Re: [Proposal] I volunteer to help with 0.20.6, part II

2004-09-10 Thread Chris Bowditch
Anton Tagunov wrote: amendment: It really is not such a nonsense as it may seem, Tomcat 3.x.y piecfully co-exist with 4 and 4 coexists with 5. The trouble is everyone always focuses on 0.20.x to the detriment of 1.0 development. Going for the low hanging fruit in 0.20.x may help fix a few minor

RE: [Proposal] I volunteer to help with 0.20.6

2004-09-10 Thread Victor Mote
Anton Tagunov wrote: Perhaps Victor and/or some other patch authors would assist. I wish I could help you, but I am blocked from development on that branch as well. Victor Mote

Re: [proposal] How to do logging from the command line (was: Re: Logging of exception.)

2004-09-09 Thread Glen Mazza
--- Jeremias Maerki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Finn, I took a look at it and I must say that I'm a bit confused, too. Anyway, I have a proposal to make. I would expect a command-line application to work like any other C-program such as grep, svn, ls or whatever. That means you don't

Re: [proposal] How to do logging from the command line (was: Re: Logging of exception.)

2004-09-09 Thread Jeremias Maerki
OK, forget it. I'm obviously worse at explaining things than I thought. I don't have the time to chew this through. It should have been quick and painless, but obviously it isn't. Hopefully, someone else has a better solution. I'm sorry for wasting your time writing this answer. Back to my JNI

Re: [proposal] How to do logging from the command line (was: Re: Logging of exception.)

2004-09-09 Thread Glen Mazza
Just giving my opinion--I also recognize that the output interface is a bit rough, as Finn was saying, and may still need some work, possibly along the lines of what you were suggesting. Glen --- Jeremias Maerki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, forget it. I'm obviously worse at explaining things

Re: [PROPOSAL] API Changes

2004-07-12 Thread Simon Pepping
On Sat, Jul 10, 2004 at 06:16:37PM -0700, Glen Mazza wrote: 1.) Drop the apps.Driver class and incorporate its remaining code into apps.Fop. Reason: Fop appears to be a better self-documenting class name within user's embedded code. It's also a neat name for a product. User's code

Re: [PROPOSAL] API Changes

2004-07-11 Thread Glen Mazza
-- J.Pietschmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glen Mazza wrote: That should be enough for us in 1.0, no? Those more elaborate API goals appear best discussed post-1.0, presumably once more vital parts of the system have been addressed. A stable API is as important as other major

Re: [PROPOSAL] API Changes

2004-07-10 Thread Glen Mazza
--- J.Pietschmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glen Mazza wrote: There are two possible API changes I am wondering if we should make. Have another look at the API proposals in the old Wiki. http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?FOPAvalonization Well, a bit too expansive for my

Re: [PROPOSAL] API Changes

2004-07-09 Thread Peter B. West
Glen Mazza wrote: Team, ... 1.) Drop the apps.Driver class and incorporate its remaining code into apps.Fop. Reason: Fop appears to be a better self-documenting class name within user's embedded code. It's also a neat name for a product. User's code would move from looking like this: //

Re: [PROPOSAL] Finally creating the XML Graphics PMC....

2004-06-27 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Clay, a vote is there to decide on certain things. A proposal is merely a possible course of action that can be discussed. It may be concluded by a formal vote once all the details are clear. I don't know of anyone who is clearly against the creation of the XML Graphics PMC. I expect everyone who

[Fwd: Re: [PROPOSAL] Finally creating the XML Graphics PMC....]

2004-06-25 Thread Peter B. West
This went only to general. Must get into the habit of actually reading the To address. The discussion seems to have migrated to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter Original Message Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Finally creating the XML Graphics PMC Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:43:55 +1000

Re: [PROPOSAL] Finally creating the XML Graphics PMC....

2004-06-25 Thread Peter B. West
Peter B. West wrote: Formally, my votes for membership of the XML Graphics PMC are: Joerg Pietschmann +1 Glen Mazza+1 Jeremias Maerki +1 (conditional on his acceptance of nomination) Peter Jeremias Maerki wrote: Hi everyone, 4. I propose both Vincent Hardy and Thomas DeWeese from the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Finally creating the XML Graphics PMC....

2004-06-25 Thread Clay Leeds
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Being new to this VOTING thing, I'm a bit confused. I believe I've made it clear in a previous message, that I'm in favor of the PROPOSAL to create the XML Graphics PMC which will be the new 'home' of FOP and Batik, but I'm unclear on how this

Re: [PROPOSAL] Finally creating the XML Graphics PMC....

2004-06-25 Thread Peter B. West
Clay Leeds wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Being new to this VOTING thing, I'm a bit confused. I believe I've made it clear in a previous message, that I'm in favor of the PROPOSAL to create the XML Graphics PMC which will be the new 'home' of FOP and Batik, but I'm unclear

Re: [PROPOSAL] Finally creating the XML Graphics PMC....

2004-06-22 Thread Chris Bowditch
Glen Mazza wrote: Reconsidered. OK, I'll join, and reinstate my first proposal, that of you joining the PMC and (yes) being its head. Hi Glen, glad that you reconsidered, I agree with Jeremias, the PMC needs you. It also needs Jeremias, so I second your proposal to have Jeremias on the PMC.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Finally creating the XML Graphics PMC....

2004-06-21 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Glen, but the fact that you're already monitoring batik-dev already shows me that you're de-facto monitoring the project. Help keep an eye on how things go on over there. You don't need write access to Batik's codebase to do that. That's all that's needed. One part of the XML Graphics proposal

Re: [PROPOSAL] Finally creating the XML Graphics PMC....

2004-06-21 Thread Glen Mazza
Reconsidered. OK, I'll join, and reinstate my first proposal, that of you joining the PMC and (yes) being its head. Glen --- Jeremias Maerki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glen, but the fact that you're already monitoring batik-dev already shows me that you're de-facto monitoring the project.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Finally creating the XML Graphics PMC....

2004-06-21 Thread Simon Pepping
On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 03:30:30PM +0200, Jeremias Maerki wrote: Hi everyone, Berin thankfully pushed again and I'm taking the time for another round. Considering what I think is the general opinion, here's what I propose: 1. We create that XML Graphics PMC taking Batik and FOP under the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Finally creating the XML Graphics PMC....

2004-06-20 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Yeah, take up some tedious job and end up with even more in your rucksack. If it has to be I can do the PMC head job but I'd rather have someone else do that, like Peter, for example. You know how limited my Apache time budget is, lately. Nowadays I'm simply more an observer than anything else.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Finally creating the XML Graphics PMC....

2004-06-20 Thread Glen Mazza
Jeremias, I agree with you. Thomas apparently stopped working on it because of licensing issues. For all I know about Batik--next to nothing--perhaps it links with 10-15 libraries, half of which may have incompatible or out-of-date licensing. I have no clue, and I'm not motivated enough to

Re: [PROPOSAL] Finally creating the XML Graphics PMC....

2004-06-19 Thread Glen Mazza
Everything is fine--especially adding me to the PMC ;)--but three more proposals to add: 1.) Jeremias Maerki added to this PMC and also made head of it. 2.) Jeremias Maerki automatically added as committer to the Batik project at (or just before) time of formation of XML Graphics. Batik has

Re: [PROPOSAL] Finally creating the XML Graphics PMC....

2004-06-19 Thread Clay Leeds
This seems like a sound proposal to me. Batik being such an important component of the family, it is important to keep it maintained. See below for other comments... Glen Mazza said: Everything is fine--especially adding me to the PMC ;)--but three more proposals to add: 1.) Jeremias Maerki

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-16 Thread Finn Bock
[me] Now that ant.jar has been removed, the project is slightly less friendly to eclipse since ant.jar is required by the files in org.apache.fop.tools.anttasks. It is easily solved locally, I just wanted to point it out. [Peter B. West] Finn, I've been trying to find an Eclipse-clean way to

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-16 Thread Peter B. West
Finn Bock wrote: [me] Now that ant.jar has been removed, the project is slightly less friendly to eclipse since ant.jar is required by the files in org.apache.fop.tools.anttasks. It is easily solved locally, I just wanted to point it out. [Peter B. West] Finn, I've been trying to find an

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-16 Thread J.Pietschmann
Finn Bock wrote: The same way that I locally solved the Jimi and JAI dependency: copy d:\java\ant-1.5.1\lib\ant.jar lib and adding the .jar to the Java Build Path/Libraries. You don't need the copy, you can add external jars as well. J.Pietschmann

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-15 Thread Finn Bock
[Jeremias Maerki] I've removed the embedded Ant in HEAD. I rewrote build.bat and build.sh to call a separately installed Ant. Instructions will be given on the command-line if Ant cannot be found. Now that ant.jar has been removed, the project is slightly less friendly to eclipse since ant.jar

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-15 Thread Peter B. West
Finn Bock wrote: Now that ant.jar has been removed, the project is slightly less friendly to eclipse since ant.jar is required by the files in org.apache.fop.tools.anttasks. It is easily solved locally, I just wanted to point it out. Finn, I've been trying to find an Eclipse-clean way to solve

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-14 Thread Peter B. West
Jeremias Maerki wrote: I've removed the embedded Ant in HEAD. I rewrote build.bat and build.sh to call a separately installed Ant. Instructions will be given on the command-line if Ant cannot be found. Peter, please test build.sh on Unix. I hope I got the whole thing right. Jeremias, It compiles

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-14 Thread Jeremias Maerki
No, I guess that's what was needed. Thanks. On 14.12.2003 09:57:50 Peter B. West wrote: Jeremias Maerki wrote: I've removed the embedded Ant in HEAD. I rewrote build.bat and build.sh to call a separately installed Ant. Instructions will be given on the command-line if Ant cannot be found.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-13 Thread Jeremias Maerki
I've removed the embedded Ant in HEAD. I rewrote build.bat and build.sh to call a separately installed Ant. Instructions will be given on the command-line if Ant cannot be found. Peter, please test build.sh on Unix. I hope I got the whole thing right. Jeremias Maerki

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-13 Thread Glen Mazza
Well done--I particularly liked the Ant instructions you added. Glen --- Jeremias Maerki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've removed the embedded Ant in HEAD. I rewrote build.bat and build.sh to call a separately installed Ant. Instructions will be given on the command-line if Ant cannot be

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-12 Thread J.Pietschmann
Peter B. West wrote: In the medium term, I think some sort of protocol for provides/requires and versioning will have to be established for matching jars. It has always galled me that everyone bundles everything to ensure that a particular application runs. Short: use Maven. What does

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-12 Thread Jeremias Maerki
I don't think so, as potential fop-dev have to learn about other things, too, especially CVS and how to build patches. I think that's a lot more complicated than having to install Ant. fop-devs can be expected to know about Ant because almost every Open Source project written in Java I've

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-12 Thread Clay Leeds
Jeremias, On Dec 12, 2003, at 7:13 AM, Jeremias Maerki wrote: I don't think so, as potential fop-dev have to learn about other things, too, especially CVS and how to build patches. I think that's a lot more complicated than having to install Ant. fop-devs can be expected to know about Ant

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-11 Thread Peter B. West
Jeremias Maerki wrote: Following a problem on fop-user I'd like to propose the removal of ant.jar and the build.bar/sh pair. I've heard that best practice is not to bundle Ant with a project, though I can't point you to a web page. It's reasonable to expect that everybody who wants to compile a

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-11 Thread Jeremias Maerki
I can do that but someone will have to test the unix script for me. On 11.12.2003 10:33:34 Peter B. West wrote: Removing ant, fair enough, but why the build scripts? Shouldn't they be extended a little to check for the presence of an ant installation and make appropriate noises if one isn't

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-11 Thread Peter B. West
Jeremias Maerki wrote: I can do that but someone will have to test the unix script for me. On 11.12.2003 10:33:34 Peter B. West wrote: Removing ant, fair enough, but why the build scripts? Shouldn't they be extended a little to check for the presence of an ant installation and make

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-11 Thread Glen Mazza
I disagree on this point, if we're removing ant.jar, I don't see a need for continuing to maintain a build.sh and build.bat. Given that they must install Ant, it isn't too traumatic to next navigate to the fop working directory and type ant to make the build. (I'm not being sarcastic--the way

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-11 Thread J.Pietschmann
Glen Mazza wrote: I disagree on this point, if we're removing ant.jar, I don't see a need for continuing to maintain a build.sh and build.bat. Given that they must install Ant, it isn't too traumatic to next navigate to the fop working directory and type ant to make the build. (I'm not being

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-11 Thread Clay Leeds
I don't think ant should be removed from the maintenance branch. Granted, users of HEAD should be adept enough to install and configure ANT, but I think it is more important to make at least the maintenance branch of FOP easy to use, than it is to encourage them to install and configure ant.

RE: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-11 Thread Victor Mote
Peter B. West wrote: Removing ant, fair enough, but why the build scripts? Shouldn't they be extended a little to check for the presence of an ant installation and make appropriate noises if one isn't found? I agree. Victor Mote

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-11 Thread Michael Reiche
On tor, 2003-12-11 at 16:42, Clay Leeds wrote: I don't think ant should be removed from the maintenance branch. Granted, users of HEAD should be adept enough to install and configure ANT, but I think it is more important to make at least the maintenance branch of FOP easy to use, than it is

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-11 Thread Glen Mazza
--- Clay Leeds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Web Maestro Clay p.s. I guess this means I get to add ant to my list of tools in my toolbox... :-) Yes, highly transportable skills in CVS and Ant may be the two biggest up-front goodies you get by working on FOP. Instructions: 1.) Download ant

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-11 Thread Peter B. West
J.Pietschmann wrote: Hmhm. The unix version (build.sh) added *all* jars in the lib directory to the classpath, which made the drop into lib and call build.dh much easier. If this has to be done in build.xml, there's trouble ahead with jars containing release identifiers and such ugly stuff. Well,

Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove ant.jar and build.bat/sh

2003-12-10 Thread Glen Mazza
Great idea! Like CVS, Ant is highly beneficial to learn, and it opens doors to many other open source projects as well. So I think this a tool we should be encouraging others to at least load on their machine. +1 for HEAD, and I think it would be fine to remove it from maintenance as well.

Re: [proposal] Peter Herweg as a FOP committer

2003-09-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 12 sep 2003, à 20:51 Europe/Zurich, Glen Mazza a écrit : ...Thanks for taking the time to clarify your ideas on this issue. You're welcome - and in retrospect mine *was* a crazy idea indeed. This written communication thing again - had we been together around a table this would have

Re: [proposal] Peter Herweg as a FOP committer

2003-09-12 Thread Glen Mazza
--- Bertrand Delacretaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if I didn't explain my objectives clearly enough, but everyone has the right to ask for clarification - and, if you allow me some old man advice, it is usually good to do when you think something is wrong, before getting the cannons

Re: [proposal] Peter Herweg as a FOP committer

2003-09-11 Thread Glen Mazza
-1; he can supply patches and we'll apply them. --- Bertrand Delacretaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi FOPpers, I'm making this a proposal instead of directly a vote, as there are two unusual things here: I've been recently (and rightly) moved to inactive committer status, and it hasn't

Re: [proposal] Peter Herweg as a FOP committer

2003-09-11 Thread Glen Mazza
Also, Bertrand, for votes, you'll have to make yourself active again--edit team.xml--and hopefully for more than just submitting the names of people who have been supplying patches for all of 24 hours. I'm, however, not very optimistic on that point. Committership is a months-long-process, and

Re: [proposal] Peter Herweg as a FOP committer

2003-09-11 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Glen, please adjust your tone. Bertrand is only proposing a vote, not actually voting. Everyone is entitled to propose new committers, it has nothing to do with the actual voting. If Betrand says Peter Herweg provides good input, then it's good enough for me to really consider holding such a

(Victor) Re: [proposal] Peter Herweg as a FOP committer

2003-09-11 Thread Glen Mazza
Hello Victor, Do you have time over the next few days to look at Peter's patches (and apply them as appropriate)? Some of this proposed code is affecting your turf (FOTreeBuilder), etc., the rest is primarily just the RTF handler--all changes are thankfully just for trunk. Take a good look at

RE: [proposal] Peter Herweg as a FOP committer

2003-09-11 Thread Victor Mote
Glen Mazza wrote: Committership is a months-long-process, and I'll need to see contributions from your individual named well past those of Chris, Clay or Andreas before we consider such a move. FYI, he's at about 1% of them right now. -1 on imposing a months-long-process for committer

RE: (Victor) Re: [proposal] Peter Herweg as a FOP committer

2003-09-11 Thread Victor Mote
Glen Mazza wrote: Do you have time over the next few days to look at Peter's patches (and apply them as appropriate)? Some of this proposed code is affecting your turf (FOTreeBuilder), etc., the rest is primarily just the RTF handler--all changes are thankfully just for trunk. Take a good

Re: [proposal] Peter Herweg as a FOP committer

2003-09-11 Thread J.Pietschmann
Glen Mazza wrote: My, such complexity! That's a bit harsh, isn't it? We could use every hand willing to help. There's no need to ridicule useful contributions in public. J.Pietschmann

Re: [proposal] Peter Herweg as a FOP committer

2003-09-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Glen, I must say I'm very surprised at your response: not the -1 which I can accept, but the response below where you don't seem to have understood my aim, and the arrogance of which I dislike a lot. Thanks Jeremias, Victor and J.Pietschmann for your support, you seem to have gotten the

RE: Proposal

2002-10-01 Thread Rhett Aultman
If you don't mind my asking, why do you need to put an event model on page breaks? There may be other solutions available if we knew what you were trying to achieve overall. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:42 AM

RE: Proposal

2002-10-01 Thread Jochen . Maes
ok here is the thing i'm busy with: I have to make a overview for each currency i get in the xml... this overview exists out one or multiple table-blocks. but for each currency i must have a new page no matter how much is written on the page. First i thought of doing it with blockcontainers

Re: Proposal

2002-10-01 Thread Oleg Tkachenko
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to make a overview for each currency i get in the xml... this overview exists out one or multiple table-blocks. but for each currency i must have a new page no matter how much is written on the page. You can use break-before=page on the table or table-row to

RE: Proposal

2002-10-01 Thread Rhett Aultman
9:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Proposal i thank thee Oleg... what astupid mistake, used that months ago once to :( sleeping should help anyway, i'm still interested in making something for FOP... would really like to get to know the internal more... :D Jochen Maes ICT

RE: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG

2002-03-18 Thread Matthias Fischer
, 2002 3:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation- (was: merging two libraries) From: Matthias Fischer My company, for instance, would have to stop using FOP; we would not even take the time to go into studying legal aspects, because, as a medium

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG

2002-03-18 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
From: Matthias Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] In other terms: IMO, the legal dispositions of an open source software shouldn't be more complex than those of their commercial competitors. You're right. In fact, the ASF is less complex. The ASF distributes software that can be 100% sure to be

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-14 Thread Keiron Liddle
On 2002.03.14 09:00 Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: What I would like to see, is that FOP stops discussing about the logging, resolving, pipelineing and stuff and starts to focus on the core functionality. IMHO, the best way to get this thing going *quick* is to use Cocoon as a pipeline. Cocoon

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation- (was: merging two libraries)

2002-03-14 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Given the licences, nobody is prohibited to cross-collaborate. iText developers can send patches to FOP and viceversa, and be [VOTE]d as usual when the time is right. FOP can distribute iText jar as it's MPL, and both projects would

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 14 March 2002 09:00, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: . . . 1. FopParser parses and validates the input XSL-FO document Not needed if using Cocoon as a pipeline. . . . Right, but it's so easy that we might as well keep it for easier testing. . . . What I would like to see, is that FOP

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-14 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
From: Keiron Liddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 2002.03.14 09:00 Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: What I would like to see, is that FOP stops discussing about the logging, resolving, pipelineing and stuff and starts to focus on the core functionality. IMHO, the best way to get this thing going

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 14 March 2002 09:19, Keiron Liddle wrote: . . . Firstly the Area Tree is unavoidable. We must have a place to do the layout and to store the page information. . . . Unavoidable for Layout rendering, isn't it? I thought structure-based rendering wouldn't need the area tree. . . .

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 14 March 2002 09:27, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: . . . Hmmm... AFAIK FO is about layout, not semantical structure. Bold is just Bold, and not emphasis or strong. Maybe I don't get the point. Could you elaborate more please? . . . The term structure renderer (as you could find by

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thursday 14 March 2002 09:27, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: . . . I think that a SAXrenderer could be the solution. SAX is based on calling a method when a tag begin-content-end is reached. It can be used to communicate the Area Tree to the renderer in a clean way, whith a standard interface.

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation- (was: merging twolibraries)

2002-03-14 Thread arnd . beissner
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: IF the integration FOP-iText is done in a way where PDF output via iText is not just an option but a replacement for the existing PDF output - or even for the other renderers, too, then I'd say this step contradicts the intention though not the letters of the

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation- (was: merging two libraries)

2002-03-14 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technically, it's very tempting to do what you propose. In fact, technically, I'm all for it. Let's just be aware that the license problem is not only a philosophical issue. Of course. I think we agree. And as for this: This would reduce the usefulness of FOP

RE: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation- (was: merging two libraries)

2002-03-14 Thread Matthias Fischer
If n persons are using FOP now and some of these can no longer use FOP because a part of FOP they need has a license they can't use, then I'd say this reduces FOPs usefulness for these "some" persons, despite being more useful to others. Arnd Beissner --Arnd Beißner

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation- (was: merging two libraries)

2002-03-14 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
From: Matthias Fischer My company, for instance, would have to stop using FOP; we would not even take the time to go into studying legal aspects, because, as a medium-sized company, we don't have the time and money and personnel to do this... I think you are exaggerating a bit. Are you

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-14 Thread Peter B. West
Keiron Liddle wrote: On 2002.03.14 09:00 Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: What I would like to see, is that FOP stops discussing about the logging, resolving, pipelineing and stuff and starts to focus on the core functionality. IMHO, the best way to get this thing going *quick* is to use Cocoon

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-14 Thread Peter B. West
Bertrand, Aside from my low opinion of SAX for process coupling, there should be no need for communication back from the renderer. The Area Tree should just give orders to the renderer. All of the layout decisions have been made by the time the Area Tree is constructed. The feedback is

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Peter, Aside from my low opinion of SAX for process coupling, there should be no need for communication back from the renderer. . . . cool - I thought the Area Tree code needed to know about font metrics and the like, but if this communication is one-way all the better. Regarding SAX

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation- (was: merging two libraries)

2002-03-13 Thread Ralph LaChance
I'm wondering if marying FOP +iText would sacrifice the -awt -print -ps options. (Same question for -text, but i'm personally not interested in that.) At 10:58 AM 3/13/02, you wrote: Given what has been said on the mailing lists of FOP and iText, and given the current scope of the two

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation- (was: merging twolibraries)

2002-03-13 Thread arnd . beissner
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Given the licences, nobody is prohibited to cross-collaborate. iText developers can send patches to FOP and viceversa, and be [VOTE]d as usual when the time is right. FOP can distribute iText jar as it's MPL, and both projects would cross-link in a clear way.

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation- (was: mergingtwo libraries)

2002-03-13 Thread Peter B. West
Nicola, I think there are a few issues to be considered here. Essentially, what is FOP? There may be a number of requirements of an XSL-FO processor. The basic one is, Show me this on a page or screen. Any kind of renderer, using any approach whatsoever, will achieve this, more or less.

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wednesday 13 March 2002 16:58, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: . . . - FOP uses iText as a PDF generation library - . . . Maybe the following scenario could help making FOP

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation- (was: merging two libraries)

2002-03-13 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
From: Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nicola, I think there are a few issues to be considered here. Essentially, what is FOP? Good point. There may be a number of requirements of an XSL-FO processor. The basic one is, Show me this on a page or screen. Any kind of renderer, using any

Re: [PROPOSAL] FOP+iText = FOP-NG -next generation-

2002-03-13 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
From: Bertrand Delacretaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wednesday 13 March 2002 16:58, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: . . . - FOP uses iText as a PDF generation library - . . .

RE: [PROPOSAL] linebreak

2002-02-27 Thread ewitness - Ben Fowler
At 2:58 pm + 26/2/02, ewitness - Ben Fowler wrote: [ snip ] In FO, you could write fo:block space-before=3pt fo:block space-before=0some line/fo:block fo:block space-before=0next line/fo:block /fo:block OK I have tried the FO in the attached file, giving the expected PDF result.

RE: [PROPOSAL] linebreak

2002-02-26 Thread ewitness - Ben Fowler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (ewitness - Ben Fowler) wrote: [snip] I don't mind admitting that as an outsider to the XML standard, this looks like a bad, even a really bad, idea. My reading of your commentary is Whitespace is sometimes respected, and only a langauge lawyer can tell you when. Well, in

RE: [PROPOSAL] linebreak

2002-02-26 Thread Joerg Pietschmann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (ewitness - Ben Fowler) wrote: [snip] Well, this is drifting off topic for this list... but see the very end of this message. And some remarks anyway: In the example The correct way to express procedure foo(); begin ... would be something like: fo:block

RE: [PROPOSAL] linebreak

2002-02-26 Thread ewitness - Ben Fowler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (ewitness - Ben Fowler) wrote: [snip] [snip ] I meant correct way to express the presentational aspects with XSLFO. There was no intention to feed this to a Pascal compiler. The use case was I have some Foo source code and want to include it in my printed manual O.K. I was a

RE: [PROPOSAL] linebreak

2002-02-25 Thread ewitness - Ben Fowler
I guess the reason nobody thought fo:br/ or fo:newline/ would be required is because a U+000A will do the trick. [ snip ] In any case, a linefeed (LF) must be honoured, and result in a linebreak. _If_ the conditions are right. What that means is, the initial value for linefeed-treatment is

RE: [PROPOSAL] linebreak

2002-02-25 Thread Arved Sandstrom
Comments below. -Original Message- From: ewitness - Ben Fowler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: February 25, 2002 9:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] linebreak I guess the reason nobody thought fo:br/ or fo:newline/ would be required is because a U+000A will do

RE: [PROPOSAL] linebreak

2002-02-25 Thread Joerg Pietschmann
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (ewitness - Ben Fowler) wrote: [snip] I don't mind admitting that as an outsider to the XML standard, this looks like a bad, even a really bad, idea. My reading of your commentary is Whitespace is sometimes respected, and only a langauge lawyer can tell you when. Well, in

RE: [PROPOSAL] linebreak was Re: REDESIGN: where I have been hiding

2002-02-19 Thread Arved Sandstrom
-Original Message- From: ewitness - Ben Fowler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: February 18, 2002 9:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [PROPOSAL] linebreak was Re: REDESIGN: where I have been hiding This would be useful in writing addresses exempli gratia: ?xml version=1.0

RE: [PROPOSAL] linebreak was Re: REDESIGN: where I have beenhiding

2002-02-18 Thread ewitness - Ben Fowler
This would be useful in writing addresses exempli gratia: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? fo:root text-align=justified font-size=12pt font-family=serif fo:block Bilbo Baggins,fo: newline / Bag End,fo: newline / Underhill,fo: newline /

Re: [PROPOSAL] FormattingResults

2002-01-03 Thread Keiron Liddle
Hi Jeremias, The code looks fine. Putting the new classes under apps might not be the best place, it's already confusing enough. There is a problem that it doesn't actually compile due to a missing method on PageSequence. I also think it should be put in the main branch, possibly in a

Re: [PROPOSAL] FormattingResults

2002-01-03 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Hi Keiron On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:44:50 +0100 Keiron Liddle wrote: Hi Jeremias, The code looks fine. Putting the new classes under apps might not be the best place, it's already confusing enough. I guessed that could be a problem. I wasn't that happy with it, either. But since it has to do

Re: [PROPOSAL] FormattingResults

2002-01-03 Thread Keiron Liddle
On 2002.01.03 10:01 Jeremias Maerki wrote: There is a problem that it doesn't actually compile due to a missing method on PageSequence. Oops. Which method? int getPageCount() - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PROPOSAL] FormattingResults

2002-01-03 Thread Jeremias Maerki
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:06:47 +0100 Keiron Liddle wrote: On 2002.01.03 10:01 Jeremias Maerki wrote: There is a problem that it doesn't actually compile due to a missing method on PageSequence. Oops. Which method? int getPageCount() Oh, now I understand. I forgot to include the