Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi guys, I said this before, and I'll say it again, let's stear this back to gaming please. As for the Braille Plus as far as I know it only uses a Linux shell environment. It does not support any of the graphical desktops like gnome, KDE, etc. So it wouldn't be good for games or anything that needs a fully graphical environment. On 8/9/10, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: yeah the braillenote is a bit much hmm linux? wander if you can run gnome on there to and upgrade the system? I never thought of a linux blindness device. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi Josh, I also have a BraillePlus here, and absolutely love it! I don't understand anymore the peop[le who just adore their Crap Mate Omlettes. Come on now, on the BraillePlus we have access to an 80 GB builtin HD, builtin Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and a whole range of Braille Displays. If you are a PAC Mate user like I was, then you can happily link your PM display with the unit and off you go! We also get access to Serotek Network and can download movies, books from NLS, ETC. The machine actually retrieves its own updates online, and the interface is similar to a BrailleNote interface, but you can run lots of Linux software, and even create your own. I've got projects in the works for this machine, Uno 3.0 first. I may continue supporting Pocket PC in general, but none of the games will be PM specific. That is to say, if they run, great. Otherwise we can't help you. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hm. I'm curious... why are there so many people who don't like eloquence? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Now I think that's worse than jfw. Jfw has a 40 minute limit and the demo is free, although it is restricted... but having to pay for an unrestricted demo... that's just utterly ludicrous! -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: 08 August 2010 08:50 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific The wineyes demo is still free as far as I am aware, but those who don't like the 30 minute limit can buy the $100 60 day evaluation of WE. At 06:20 PM 8/08/2010, you wrote: So is the $100 evaluation the only way to try it now? I haven't actually had to stop upgrading yet... having converted recently. I used both for a time and am now only on WE. So is the demo that you use to be able to download for free non-existent now? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Ahhh thanks for that information but as I say. I'm stuck with jfw -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 08 August 2010 09:56 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Ben, Yes. Window-Eyes uses Dectalk by default, but the full version does come with Eloquence as well. It also has very good support for SAPI 4 and SAPI 5 voices as well. I'm not sure why everyone likes Eloquence, but yes it is supported. On 8/8/10, Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk wrote: Isn't dectalk standard voice with we? And also what can you do with the voices and is eloquence supported? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Can you do anything else with the voices apart from pitch... -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Misch Sent: 08 August 2010 18:58 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific you can change the voices and eloquence is built into we now. On Aug 8, 2010, at 3:37 AM, Ben wrote: Isn't dectalk standard voice with we? And also what can you do with the voices and is eloquence supported? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Constantine Sent: 08 August 2010 04:28 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific They seriously did that? This quite honestly does not surprise me. Window Bridge. Man, I used that with a doubletalk or decktalk synthisizer about 12 years ago. - Original Message - From: Travis Siegel tsie...@lothlorien.nfbcal.org To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Actually, if I wanted to, I could sue freedom scientific for several things. Since I now own the rights to the windows bridge code, I could sue for all kinds of things they swiped from wb (such as the capslock key as a modifier) as well as several inovations which were frist introduced by wb before they made it into jaws as a product. I'm not really interested in such nonsense, but I might write them a letter explaining my unhappiness with their current operating procedures, and see if they'd be willing to ... prevent a suit ... hmm, now there's a though. :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Keep in mind that when I did pay for this evaluation version, it was some 5 years back. Maybe they've changed their policies since then? At 04:45 PM 9/08/2010, you wrote: Now I think that's worse than jfw. Jfw has a 40 minute limit and the demo is free, although it is restricted... but having to pay for an unrestricted demo... that's just utterly ludicrous! -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: 08 August 2010 08:50 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific The wineyes demo is still free as far as I am aware, but those who don't like the 30 minute limit can buy the $100 60 day evaluation of WE. At 06:20 PM 8/08/2010, you wrote: So is the $100 evaluation the only way to try it now? I haven't actually had to stop upgrading yet... having converted recently. I used both for a time and am now only on WE. So is the demo that you use to be able to download for free non-existent now? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
probably because of the deadly word bug, in which certain combos of letters and numbers can crash eloquence, I think they've been dealt with now. At 04:59 PM 9/08/2010, you wrote: Hm. I'm curious... why are there so many people who don't like eloquence? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Not only that but the speech quality is horrible as far as I'm concerned. And from what I've heard the word bug hasn't been figured out yet even now, not that I've had problems with that. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:26 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific probably because of the deadly word bug, in which certain combos of letters and numbers can crash eloquence, I think they've been dealt with now. At 04:59 PM 9/08/2010, you wrote: Hm. I'm curious... why are there so many people who don't like eloquence? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Are you sure it's eloquence you're thinking of? I happen to prefer the voice over other synthesisers, I think it's very clear. At 07:34 PM 9/08/2010, you wrote: Not only that but the speech quality is horrible as far as I'm concerned. And from what I've heard the word bug hasn't been figured out yet even now, not that I've had problems with that. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:26 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific probably because of the deadly word bug, in which certain combos of letters and numbers can crash eloquence, I think they've been dealt with now. At 04:59 PM 9/08/2010, you wrote: Hm. I'm curious... why are there so many people who don't like eloquence? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Yes, I mean Eloquence. It's like I said before, I wouldn't use it at all but for the fact that it has the fastest response rate of any synthe I've used and couldn't stand it when I encountered it as the speaking voice in some audio games. If it weren't for the fast response rate I wouldn't bother with it at all. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 5:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Are you sure it's eloquence you're thinking of? I happen to prefer the voice over other synthesisers, I think it's very clear. At 07:34 PM 9/08/2010, you wrote: Not only that but the speech quality is horrible as far as I'm concerned. And from what I've heard the word bug hasn't been figured out yet even now, not that I've had problems with that. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:26 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific probably because of the deadly word bug, in which certain combos of letters and numbers can crash eloquence, I think they've been dealt with now. At 04:59 PM 9/08/2010, you wrote: Hm. I'm curious... why are there so many people who don't like eloquence? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
kevin, I totally agree. I switched to NVDA, period. I want to try wineyes too, though. mauricio -Mensagem original- De: weis...@googlemail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Segunda, 09 de Agosto de 2010 01:51 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi, The problem with this though is that jaws becomes much much more expencive if people continue to use it frequently. And I think jaws is much enouhg already. Kevin - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 15:06:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Kevin, I don't know about the research it thing...it is, depending on what you're looking for, much more concise then having to navigate through huge pages full of links you will never use or need. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of weis...@googlemail.com Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 10:32 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific HI, I must absolutely agree with the message below! That is like totally criminal. I never liked jaws anyways. It started to become worse and worse from the first version it was built. It seems like they don't give a damn about fixing issues. They instead add more useless, even more broken features. With useless I especially point at re-search it... I mean everyone can go to google and search for something. It is easy enough. And you will probably have more from it anyways. Also, they don't delete useless files. If, for example, some jawsAPI has been changed, the old DLL is still found somewhere hiding deep in the version. Because of this, the setup files keep growing, and growing, and becoming bigger and bigger. Also, look at sapi 5 support. It is broken. Actually, it worked just fine in version 5.0. Since then, it's broken! It crashes on almost any voice! And then instead of fixing it, they delete it totally? I mean come on! And so I converted over to NVDA, and didn't even bother to install jaws on my laptop. I also removed it from my desktop, since it messed up the graphics card so badly, I hardly could do something. And no, it's not! a bad card. Kevin. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 10:25:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Charles, You are absolutely right from a business point of view. However, there are plenty of alternatives than supporting the screen readers directly. For example, Time of Conflict and Lone Wolf allow you to select SAPI, Jaws, or Window-Eyes. As far as I am concerned using SAPI 5 support is enough and doesn't show favoritism to any screen reader or screen reader manufacturer. It is more ideal anyway as you aren't trying to support every screen reader out there directly. I've actually been asked a few times if I would add Jaws support to my games. While I understand the nature of the requests I have made a polacy not to support any screen readers directly. First of all, it requires more work supporting each and every screen readers individual API directly. Second of all, I feel supporting Freedom Scientific's products goes against my principles. For one thing they have an unfair advantage over their competition because they are largely supported through businesses, government agencies, organizations, and so on that aren't willing to support GW Micro, Dolphin, etc as well. Then, Freedom Scientific shows the world what they are really like by dragging GW Micro, FBC, and anyone else they see as a threat into court. Over the past year or so it has been one lawsuit after another. I happen to know they have a tendancy to treat their customers with little regard or respect as well. For example, a friend of mine ordered a dongle from F.S. and when he got it he found out it was deffective. Instead of exchanging it or something reasonable they told him he had to order a new one at full price. That's down right criminal in my book. Why continue supporting a business, any business, if they are going to treat their customers like that? On 8/7/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: If any game developer is going to provide screen reader support for their games, regardless of how they feel about the screen reader developing company's policies are, I feel that you have to support what your customers are using. Otherwise, you're cutting your own customer base. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
same thing for me. The other voices including sap take long to reply to my commands. give me one that does not and I will switch. -Mensagem original- De: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Domingo, 8 de Agosto de 2010 22:41 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific It's better than Eloquence as far as I'm concerned. The only reason I use Eloquence at all, and I mean the ONLY one, is that I find its response rate a bit faster than Dectalk. If it weren't for that Eloquence could kiss my arse LOL. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Thomas, Lol. I don't know how you like dectalk, the sound of that thing is...in my most humble opinion...awful! Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 3:56 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Ben, Yes. Window-Eyes uses Dectalk by default, but the full version does come with Eloquence as well. It also has very good support for SAPI 4 and SAPI 5 voices as well. I'm not sure why everyone likes Eloquence, but yes it is supported. On 8/8/10, Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk wrote: Isn't dectalk standard voice with we? And also what can you do with the voices and is eloquence supported? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi, I haven't read all the messages in this thread yet, but I agree with what's been said about people not liking FS because of their lawsuits. I've thought about switching to a different screen reader myself, even though I like using JFW, but I'm staying with it for now because of one thing: it's essential to my business. As far as I'm aware, JFW has the best support for CakeWalk's Sonar, the program I use to compose my music, using either the JSonar or CakeTalking packages. Other screen readers either don't work with Sonar, or have only rudimentary support for the basic features. Until someone comes up with a solution like, say CakeTalking, for Window-Eyes or NVDA, I'm sticking with what I've got. Now as far as games go, I like using SAPI5 in Entombed and Jim Kitchen's games. Entombed works a lot better with Sapi5, because sound effects, especially during battles, play at the propper time. When playing with JFW, the sounds always play one after the other, and you have to wait for the speech to catch up. (This is demonstrated in my review of Entombed for Innovations.) And it's fun to get two voices working with Jim Kitchen's games like Battleship or Football. Thanks. Yours Sincerely, Kelly John Sapergia For information regarding my Internet radio shows, links to my favorite sites, and more, visit my personal website at http://www.ksapergia.net/. If you need jingles, voiceovers and music for your project at an affordable price, visit KJS Productions at: http://www.kjsproductions.com/. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi Humanware's a bit rediculous also especially with the issue I'm trying to get them to agree with me on. You see I'm running a windows98 virtual machine in vmware. I like really like the keynote gold speech synthesizer. They had a version called keynote gold multimedia for win98 and keysoft 2.4a for win98 as well. Well I asked them to make it free software. I know you don't like fs but one good thing they did out of all the bad stuff was make their jaws for DOS free software. I wish humanware would make keynote gold multimedia for win98 and keysoft 2.4a gold for win95/98 as free software either that or add a keynote gold voice variant to espeak so espeak sounds and has better pronunciation. Of course maybe I'm just partial to the old keynote gold synthesizer. anyway humanware told me I cannot modify keynote gold multimedia demo or keysoft for win95. I would at least like to use keynote gold in ubuntu linux or with NVDA. But I cannot because they are being greedy with a 20 year old piece of software. in keysoft it says the text to speech is copyright 1990 berkely speech systems. berkeley speech systems I meant to write. So until they don't care about it anymore I'm stuck to running keynote gold multimedia in 15 minute demo mode inside my virtual machine. And no I'm not giving the demo out on this list because they said I can't distribute it either. Their $6000 braillenotes use eloquence now so what's wrong with letting go of keynote gold? Having a full copy of keynote gold is the only way I can use asap in win98 dos box with software speech that is actually responsive so I can play with the old DOS software again. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi you think 40 minutes is bad? Every 15 minutes I have to reboot my win98 virtual machine to use keynote gold multimedia and keysoft 2.4a demo for 15 minutes at a time. Humanware, just give me the full version of the software won't you darn it!!! Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
hi yes guys you can certainly use NVDA and also use vinux3.0. They work very good. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
hey guys Can you guys maybe help me by emailing us.i...@humanware.com and just write a short message about how you really want keynote gold multimedia and keysoft 2.4a demos released as freeware? they work great in my win98 virtual machine. I use win98 vm because win95 vm does not let me share the win7 host's internet connection and network connection. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi I would never buy a braillenote. I am very very happy with my braillePlus which runs special talking linux and my american printing house for the blind refreshabraille braille display that I can put in a pocket. They work great! oh and not mention my macbook pro with mac os win7 win xp vinux3.0 and win98 in virtual machines all happily running on the same apple laptop. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
hey guys the nice thing about the american printing house for the blind's braille plus notetaker is that it is the most affordable, it runs linux, it also has speakup installed on it and you can access the linux console on the notetaker and run whatever linux console apps you wish to run. And for gps I went on ebay for $20 I got a nokia 6682 then got a bluetooth gps receiver, put loadstone gps on and the maps for my area and some routes and off I go. next I want to get the kapten gps by independent living aids because it is the most affordable next to loadstone and it comes with all the maps installed for you already plus its an fm radio and mp3 player. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
hey if I could get keynote gold multimedia somehow to work with NVDA and vinux3.0 I would. I actually like that a bit better than eloquence. I really like eloquence but keynote gold speech is my alltime favorite. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi all, As Raul said earlier on list let's begin getting back on topic with gaming. I know many of us, including myself would like to express our opinions about Freedom Scientific's practices but it is time to drop it and get back to what this list was intended for. Which is talking about accessible games. Smile. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi Kevin,, Like I said that is just a theory. I don't know why Jaws locks up with games for certain other than it is trying to have eexclusive control of the keyboard were Window-Eyes, NVDA, Hal, etc doesn't do that. Window-Eyes and NVDA both have scripting too so I don't see why Jaws would have to have exclusive control of the keyboard to get their scripting engine to work properly. Whatever the case the problem is rather self-evident even if the cause isn't. Smile. On 8/8/10, weis...@googlemail.com weis...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello, Yes, I understand. Though still I am wondering why they had to make it this way. My believings are they couldn't get scripting to work without it. But why does window-eyes? Also I find it to be a little odd, having my keyboard keys first being processed through the screen reader I am using. I don't know why but it just feels a little odd. Kevin --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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hey guys sorry I'm responding late. I just now saw the email to stop this thread. I'm three or so days behind on my email. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
I knew about those.. but I always thought there were other reasons. lol. Maybe it really is that simple. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi Hayden, That's what I thought. Unfortunately, for Jaws users that is a very bad practice as Jaws yanks control of the keyboard away from the Win API and substitutes itself as the input manager. That's bad because I've seen cases where Jaws has crashed, locked up, etc and when it does so the keyboard itself was rendered totally useless until Jaws was closed. So, anyway, I guess to fix this problem with games the only way to run Jaws with those games is either to put it to sleep, shut it down, or write scripts that basically says if this or that key is pressed call the pass key through function and pass the keyboard command through to the game. That sort of bites big time. On 8/8/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Thomas, Yep, that'spretty much how it works from what I've read. It's the way JAWS monitors for scripting. It checks the first against the current application script file for matches, then against the default script file, then if it doesn't find it in either it passes it through to the application. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Yeah.. that keyboard locking thing is something I've had experience with multiple times. Unfortunately, it's hard to even close JFW... because if you bot up another screenreader like window-eyes, the keyboard remains locked, and it's dificult to reach the task manager to close Jaws. As for unloading JFW for games.. I found it better to put it in sleep mode, at least until I converted to WE completely. Reason? Because JAWS sometimes doesn't unload properly which messes up the game, and if it does, there are times it won't start up again. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Hayden, That's what I thought. Unfortunately, for Jaws users that is a very bad practice as Jaws yanks control of the keyboard away from the Win API and substitutes itself as the input manager. That's bad because I've seen cases where Jaws has crashed, locked up, etc and when it does so the keyboard itself was rendered totally useless until Jaws was closed. So, anyway, I guess to fix this problem with games the only way to run Jaws with those games is either to put it to sleep, shut it down, or write scripts that basically says if this or that key is pressed call the pass key through function and pass the keyboard command through to the game. That sort of bites big time. On 8/8/10, Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Thomas, Yep, that'spretty much how it works from what I've read. It's the way JAWS monitors for scripting. It checks the first against the current application script file for matches, then against the default script file, then if it doesn't find it in either it passes it through to the application. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
well an interesting thing happened a bit ago. I wanted to use keysoft 2.0 and mastertouch 2 on another system and I asked about the licencing on these softwares. Technically these are free. Right, but you need to get a coppy and get passed the protection and they don't supply that. the keynote gold system is used in their other programs but at the same time it may be technically free as long as you can source a coppy that is. I never had it so never asked about it. At 03:22 a.m. 10/08/2010, you wrote: Hi Humanware's a bit rediculous also especially with the issue I'm trying to get them to agree with me on. You see I'm running a windows98 virtual machine in vmware. I like really like the keynote gold speech synthesizer. They had a version called keynote gold multimedia for win98 and keysoft 2.4a for win98 as well. Well I asked them to make it free software. I know you don't like fs but one good thing they did out of all the bad stuff was make their jaws for DOS free software. I wish humanware would make keynote gold multimedia for win98 and keysoft 2.4a gold for win95/98 as free software either that or add a keynote gold voice variant to espeak so espeak sounds and has better pronunciation. Of course maybe I'm just partial to the old keynote gold synthesizer. anyway humanware told me I cannot modify keynote gold multimedia demo or keysoft for win95. I would at least like to use keynote gold in ubuntu linux or with NVDA. But I cannot because they are being greedy with a 20 year old piece of software. in keysoft it says the text to speech is copyright 1990 berkely speech systems. berkeley speech systems I meant to write. So until they don't care about it anymore I'm stuck to running keynote gold multimedia in 15 minute demo mode inside my virtual machine. And no I'm not giving the demo out on this list because they said I can't distribute it either. Their $6000 braillenotes use eloquence now so what's wrong with letting go of keynote gold? Having a full copy of keynote gold is the only way I can use asap in win98 dos box with software speech that is actually responsive so I can play with the old DOS software again. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
I would like to point out that most readers, hal and now jaws and probably win eyes has 40 minutes hal has 35 so I think its standard times. gw is one of the only companies I know of a leace to own system though so you pay a bit every month and get a code and well every month you pay and eventually own the software. At 03:27 a.m. 10/08/2010, you wrote: Hi you think 40 minutes is bad? Every 15 minutes I have to reboot my win98 virtual machine to use keynote gold multimedia and keysoft 2.4a demo for 15 minutes at a time. Humanware, just give me the full version of the software won't you darn it!!! Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
yeah the braillenote is a bit much hmm linux? wander if you can run gnome on there to and upgrade the system? I never thought of a linux blindness device. At 03:39 a.m. 10/08/2010, you wrote: hey guys the nice thing about the american printing house for the blind's braille plus notetaker is that it is the most affordable, it runs linux, it also has speakup installed on it and you can access the linux console on the notetaker and run whatever linux console apps you wish to run. And for gps I went on ebay for $20 I got a nokia 6682 then got a bluetooth gps receiver, put loadstone gps on and the maps for my area and some routes and off I go. next I want to get the kapten gps by independent living aids because it is the most affordable next to loadstone and it comes with all the maps installed for you already plus its an fm radio and mp3 player. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I have also just seen the email but I am gona answer all questions left on this topic on my mail box, oh if anyone wants to continue this descussion add me to msn at shau...@xtra.co.nz, email me at sm.ever...@gmail.com and I can give skype info to though I don't use that that much. At 04:26 a.m. 10/08/2010, you wrote: hey guys sorry I'm responding late. I just now saw the email to stop this thread. I'm three or so days behind on my email. Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hal actually has 30 days. At 09:23 AM 10/08/2010, you wrote: I would like to point out that most readers, hal and now jaws and probably win eyes has 40 minutes hal has 35 so I think its standard times. gw is one of the only companies I know of a leace to own system though so you pay a bit every month and get a code and well every month you pay and eventually own the software. At 03:27 a.m. 10/08/2010, you wrote: Hi you think 40 minutes is bad? Every 15 minutes I have to reboot my win98 virtual machine to use keynote gold multimedia and keysoft 2.4a demo for 15 minutes at a time. Humanware, just give me the full version of the software won't you darn it!!! Josh Kennedy jkenn...@gmail.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
No, it doesn't, but there is a 60 day evaluation of wineyes you can get for about $100 to try it out. and years ago, you used to be able to receive a 60 day evaluation authorisation disk but the fs thugs put a stopper to that one. At 01:26 PM 8/08/2010, you wrote: I was talking about jaws, not window eyes. Window eyes has no activations, right? - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I disagree that the no activation for 60 days is a bad thing, it gives the newby time enough to try wineyes out, it's certainly better than 40 minutes then reboot, 40 minutes and then reboot etc. At 05:24 AM 8/08/2010, you wrote: Nope i totally disagree on that one. The hole no activations for sixty days thing is a bit rediculous. I'll be switching to the mac, actually. And using NVDA and sapi 5 on windows. - Original Message - From: clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I would like to agree on everyone who's expressed contempt for Freedon Scientific... I've converted to window-eyes and to be honest, I love it a lot more and always have. It's more customizable, and suport is a lot better... I've had a lot of people tel me JFW has better tech support, and I wonder what else those people are kidding themselves abut... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
So is the $100 evaluation the only way to try it now? I haven't actually had to stop upgrading yet... having converted recently. I used both for a time and am now only on WE. So is the demo that you use to be able to download for free non-existent now? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
I would support all the stuff since I have to use jfw at school (and I had to get it at home, both hads meaning seriously that I couldn't do anything else) -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: 07 August 2010 06:32 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Again? What in the name of Bob do they think they're doing? I mean I hate Greedom Science Fiction but this is just a new low as far as I'm concerned. And it's stuff like that that has convinced me that if and when I start developing my own games (I'm making slow progress with BGT), and if I decide to add options into some of my games for screen reader support I would almost be tempted not to support JAWS. Of course I have a feeling it would be better just to use Sapi support if not go outright self-voicing. I mean if I supported one screen reader in my games I'd almost have to support the competition since there are those who are still going to be staunch users like I was until about three years ago. So I may not even bother with screen reader support in my games, especially since I really don't plan on making many games where that would really fit all that well. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Louis, Honestly I can't blame you. that's why I have not really been using or supporting Freedom Scientific products much over the past few years. One reason I will not, under any circomstances add Jaws support to my game engine, as I see no need to endorce or support a greedy and selfish company like Freedom Scientific. There are plenty of alternatives to Jaws such as Window-Eyes, NVDA, Hal, etc that there is no excuse to continue supporting or using Jaws. Far as I am concerned Freedom Scientific could go out of business tomorrow and I wouldn't shed a tear. Sorry to say, I have absolutely nothing but contempt for Freedom Scientific and its products. As you say they have gone lawsuit crazy and they have lost any respect I might have had for them in the past. Smile. On 8/6/10, Louis Bryant lo...@braillesoft.net wrote: Hi all. As many of you know FS has gone lawsuit crazy this past year. There was an unsettling case in which FS filed suit against the Foundation for blind children in Arizona, as sighted by BLindBargains.com. To see it, either Google Freedom Scientific Lawsuits or go to BlindBargains.com, look under the latest Bargains heading, and look for Lawsuit Round up. HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Isn't dectalk standard voice with we? And also what can you do with the voices and is eloquence supported? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Constantine Sent: 08 August 2010 04:28 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific They seriously did that? This quite honestly does not surprise me. Window Bridge. Man, I used that with a doubletalk or decktalk synthisizer about 12 years ago. - Original Message - From: Travis Siegel tsie...@lothlorien.nfbcal.org To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Actually, if I wanted to, I could sue freedom scientific for several things. Since I now own the rights to the windows bridge code, I could sue for all kinds of things they swiped from wb (such as the capslock key as a modifier) as well as several inovations which were frist introduced by wb before they made it into jaws as a product. I'm not really interested in such nonsense, but I might write them a letter explaining my unhappiness with their current operating procedures, and see if they'd be willing to ... prevent a suit ... hmm, now there's a though. :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
The wineyes demo is still free as far as I am aware, but those who don't like the 30 minute limit can buy the $100 60 day evaluation of WE. At 06:20 PM 8/08/2010, you wrote: So is the $100 evaluation the only way to try it now? I haven't actually had to stop upgrading yet... having converted recently. I used both for a time and am now only on WE. So is the demo that you use to be able to download for free non-existent now? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi Ben, Yes. Window-Eyes uses Dectalk by default, but the full version does come with Eloquence as well. It also has very good support for SAPI 4 and SAPI 5 voices as well. I'm not sure why everyone likes Eloquence, but yes it is supported. On 8/8/10, Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk wrote: Isn't dectalk standard voice with we? And also what can you do with the voices and is eloquence supported? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi, I believe GW Micro still offers the 30 minute free demo of Window-Eyes as well as the 60 day unlimited trial for $100. On 8/8/10, clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: So is the $100 evaluation the only way to try it now? I haven't actually had to stop upgrading yet... having converted recently. I used both for a time and am now only on WE. So is the demo that you use to be able to download for free non-existent now? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Actually, no activation is only in the us, uk, and canada. In other countries there is some internet activation, but still it's prettty much friendly and open. your activations are tied toyour serial number and you can activate on up to 5 computers, providing you own all of them. not like in jaws where you have a separate auth code and have to deal with fs for every reformat or new pc... - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific No, it doesn't, but there is a 60 day evaluation of wineyes you can get for about $100 to try it out. and years ago, you used to be able to receive a 60 day evaluation authorisation disk but the fs thugs put a stopper to that one. At 01:26 PM 8/08/2010, you wrote: I was talking about jaws, not window eyes. Window eyes has no activations, right? - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I disagree that the no activation for 60 days is a bad thing, it gives the newby time enough to try wineyes out, it's certainly better than 40 minutes then reboot, 40 minutes and then reboot etc. At 05:24 AM 8/08/2010, you wrote: Nope i totally disagree on that one. The hole no activations for sixty days thing is a bit rediculous. I'll be switching to the mac, actually. And using NVDA and sapi 5 on windows. - Original Message - From: clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I would like to agree on everyone who's expressed contempt for Freedon Scientific... I've converted to window-eyes and to be honest, I love it a lot more and always have. It's more customizable, and suport is a lot better... I've had a lot of people tel me JFW has better tech support, and I wonder what else those people are kidding themselves abut... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi, I hate to dissagree with you peter. You can have multiple licenses attached to one serial number. I currently have 3, but I don't think I will ever use them. And next year, if they haven't changed the screen reader they put on computers, I will probably have another 3. Though, I will never use them up all the way if I really don't have to. Kevin - Original Message - From: peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:46:59 +0200 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Actually, no activation is only in the us, uk, and canada. In other countries there is some internet activation, but still it's prettty much friendly and open. your activations are tied toyour serial number and you can activate on up to 5 computers, providing you own all of them. not like in jaws where you have a separate auth code and have to deal with fs for every reformat or new pc... - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific No, it doesn't, but there is a 60 day evaluation of wineyes you can get for about $100 to try it out. and years ago, you used to be able to receive a 60 day evaluation authorisation disk but the fs thugs put a stopper to that one. At 01:26 PM 8/08/2010, you wrote: I was talking about jaws, not window eyes. Window eyes has no activations, right? - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I disagree that the no activation for 60 days is a bad thing, it gives the newby time enough to try wineyes out, it's certainly better than 40 minutes then reboot, 40 minutes and then reboot etc. At 05:24 AM 8/08/2010, you wrote: Nope i totally disagree on that one. The hole no activations for sixty days thing is a bit rediculous. I'll be switching to the mac, actually. And using NVDA and sapi 5 on windows. - Original Message - From: clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I would like to agree on everyone who's expressed contempt for Freedon Scientific... I've converted to window-eyes and to be honest, I love it a lot more and always have. It's more customizable, and suport is a lot better... I've had a lot of people tel me JFW has better tech support, and I wonder what else those people are kidding themselves abut... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
They don't? odd. I thought freedom science fiction took them off dealership status and put Phronteer computing in their place? - Original Message - From: clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Lucky you... wish I could get aroga n vancouver to see WE instead of JFW. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Now that is something quite decent. It would give someone the time to save up for even the first down payment if they used the pyament plan. - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific No, it doesn't, but there is a 60 day evaluation of wineyes you can get for about $100 to try it out. and years ago, you used to be able to receive a 60 day evaluation authorisation disk but the fs thugs put a stopper to that one. At 01:26 PM 8/08/2010, you wrote: I was talking about jaws, not window eyes. Window eyes has no activations, right? - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I disagree that the no activation for 60 days is a bad thing, it gives the newby time enough to try wineyes out, it's certainly better than 40 minutes then reboot, 40 minutes and then reboot etc. At 05:24 AM 8/08/2010, you wrote: Nope i totally disagree on that one. The hole no activations for sixty days thing is a bit rediculous. I'll be switching to the mac, actually. And using NVDA and sapi 5 on windows. - Original Message - From: clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I would like to agree on everyone who's expressed contempt for Freedon Scientific... I've converted to window-eyes and to be honest, I love it a lot more and always have. It's more customizable, and suport is a lot better... I've had a lot of people tel me JFW has better tech support, and I wonder what else those people are kidding themselves abut... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
speaking of window bridge, will that still be developed and to keep on topic, has anyone gotten it t work with games? On Aug 7, 2010, at 11:27 PM, Constantine wrote: They seriously did that? This quite honestly does not surprise me. Window Bridge. Man, I used that with a doubletalk or decktalk synthisizer about 12 years ago. - Original Message - From: Travis Siegel tsie...@lothlorien.nfbcal.org To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Actually, if I wanted to, I could sue freedom scientific for several things. Since I now own the rights to the windows bridge code, I could sue for all kinds of things they swiped from wb (such as the capslock key as a modifier) as well as several inovations which were frist introduced by wb before they made it into jaws as a product. I'm not really interested in such nonsense, but I might write them a letter explaining my unhappiness with their current operating procedures, and see if they'd be willing to ... prevent a suit ... hmm, now there's a though. :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
you can change the voices and eloquence is built into we now. On Aug 8, 2010, at 3:37 AM, Ben wrote: Isn't dectalk standard voice with we? And also what can you do with the voices and is eloquence supported? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Constantine Sent: 08 August 2010 04:28 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific They seriously did that? This quite honestly does not surprise me. Window Bridge. Man, I used that with a doubletalk or decktalk synthisizer about 12 years ago. - Original Message - From: Travis Siegel tsie...@lothlorien.nfbcal.org To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Actually, if I wanted to, I could sue freedom scientific for several things. Since I now own the rights to the windows bridge code, I could sue for all kinds of things they swiped from wb (such as the capslock key as a modifier) as well as several inovations which were frist introduced by wb before they made it into jaws as a product. I'm not really interested in such nonsense, but I might write them a letter explaining my unhappiness with their current operating procedures, and see if they'd be willing to ... prevent a suit ... hmm, now there's a though. :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
well I got it working with an external synth a bit ago playing old dos games on a win 98 and then an xp system. however it would be nice if it could run sapi or had something crappy but responsive like espeak loaded in or something. speaking of window bridge, will that still be developed and to keep on topic, has anyone gotten it t work with games? On Aug 7, 2010, at 11:27 PM, Constantine wrote: They seriously did that? This quite honestly does not surprise me. Window Bridge. Man, I used that with a doubletalk or decktalk synthisizer about 12 years ago. - Original Message - From: Travis Siegel tsie...@lothlorien.nfbcal.org To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Actually, if I wanted to, I could sue freedom scientific for several things. Since I now own the rights to the windows bridge code, I could sue for all kinds of things they swiped from wb (such as the capslock key as a modifier) as well as several inovations which were frist introduced by wb before they made it into jaws as a product. I'm not really interested in such nonsense, but I might write them a letter explaining my unhappiness with their current operating procedures, and see if they'd be willing to ... prevent a suit ... hmm, now there's a though. :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi Thomas, Lol. I don't know how you like dectalk, the sound of that thing is...in my most humble opinion...awful! Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 3:56 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Ben, Yes. Window-Eyes uses Dectalk by default, but the full version does come with Eloquence as well. It also has very good support for SAPI 4 and SAPI 5 voices as well. I'm not sure why everyone likes Eloquence, but yes it is supported. On 8/8/10, Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk wrote: Isn't dectalk standard voice with we? And also what can you do with the voices and is eloquence supported? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi Shaun, Yep, the BrailleNote's probably pretty big down ther, considering Humanware headquarters are in New Zealand. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:51 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific well I don't like the fs tactics. but here in new zealand its mostly fs. the braille note is the other thing and if i had not got so far into windows I think it would be a braille note if I started again and a mac. At 09:30 p.m. 7/08/2010, you wrote: First, I so agree. I converted to window-eyes my self. I actually been a we user since 4.5 in 2004 to about 7, but then I got a vista pc and, I sort of, ok, I'l say it outright, I was using a cracked version of jaws, as nvda wasn't as stable as it is now back then. Later I could finally afford to get a new version of window-eyes and drop the shark, which is what I did. Sadly I had some preasure on me and I was kind of forced to get a pm instead of a braille sense. in a way, I like it, because it's open, and I dislike it, because it has jaws and can be unstable, but what can you do. either that or back to braille writers. Louis, does this mean you're not going to release any new pm stuff? damn, I was looking forward to uno3.0... BTW, I don't support fs either - Original Message - From: Louis Bryant lo...@braillesoft.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 2:48 AM Subject: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi all. As many of you know FS has gone lawsuit crazy this past year. There was an unsettling case in which FS filed suit against the Foundation for blind children in Arizona, as sighted by BLindBargains.com. To see it, either Google Freedom Scientific Lawsuits or go to BlindBargains.com, look under the latest Bargains heading, and look for Lawsuit Round up. HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi all. I have had a huge problem with Freedom Scientific's operating procedures ever since I figured out exactly how much it used to cost them to actually make a Braille N Speak, as opposed to how much they were charging for them. I do, however, use JAWS, except on my Windows Seven desktop where I use NVDA. I'd probably use NVDA firrly exclusively, except it still doesn't have the kind of functionality and stability I need. I'd use another screen reader, except that, being in college, I can get JAWS for cheap or free, and free beats paid, even if you don't like where the free comes from. Also, I had that problem, where when the script is broken the whole keyboard input goes down the tube. There is a work around for this that depends on people having a hot key to start JAWS. , whh is actually a pretty good idea anyway. If you try to start the screen reader when it's already running, you'll be given the momenbar, especially if it's running from the system tray. When that menu pops up, press x, and you'll be good to go. The dialogue box will opop up,and you can just press enter to press ok, and that'll close out JAWS. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 8/8/10, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well I got it working with an external synth a bit ago playing old dos games on a win 98 and then an xp system. however it would be nice if it could run sapi or had something crappy but responsive like espeak loaded in or something. speaking of window bridge, will that still be developed and to keep on topic, has anyone gotten it t work with games? On Aug 7, 2010, at 11:27 PM, Constantine wrote: They seriously did that? This quite honestly does not surprise me. Window Bridge. Man, I used that with a doubletalk or decktalk synthisizer about 12 years ago. - Original Message - From: Travis Siegel tsie...@lothlorien.nfbcal.org To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Actually, if I wanted to, I could sue freedom scientific for several things. Since I now own the rights to the windows bridge code, I could sue for all kinds of things they swiped from wb (such as the capslock key as a modifier) as well as several inovations which were frist introduced by wb before they made it into jaws as a product. I'm not really interested in such nonsense, but I might write them a letter explaining my unhappiness with their current operating procedures, and see if they'd be willing to ... prevent a suit ... hmm, now there's a though. :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi Thomas, Yep, that'spretty much how it works from what I've read. It's the way JAWS monitors for scripting. It checks the first against the current application script file for matches, then against the default script file, then if it doesn't find it in either it passes it through to the application. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:05 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Kevin, Well, I don't know for certain what the developers did, but I have enough background knowledge of the problem to make an educated guess as to why Jaws locks up whenever you play a game that uses DirectX. I remember several years ago when I was writing Jaws scripts all of the keyboard commands, even those not directly associated with Jaws, seamed to be wrapped by Jaws. In other words I think what they did is write some sort of keyboard and mouse intercept that captures any input events and routes them through Jaws before sending them on to Windows or the currently active application. In this way Jaws would have exclusive control over the keyboard not allowing anything through until it is processed by the screen reader. Now, you start up your favorite game and it happens to use DirectInput. The way DirectInput works is it tries to gain direct access to the keyboard, mouse, and any joysticks on the system. The result is pretty predictable. Jaws wants complete control of the keyboard and DirectX wants control of the keyboard. This will end up in a deadlock because neither one is able to gain direct control of the keyboard. A screen reader like NVDA doesn't have this problem because it simply monitors standard Windows event messages and acts upon them accordingly while not trying to have exclusive control of the keyboard, mouse, or anything else. Make sense? Cheers! On 8/7/10, weis...@googlemail.com weis...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, OH, and something else to mention. Why on earth does jaws lock the arrow keys! I mean no! And I do say no, other screen reader does that, as far as I know. They always are passed through to the application. Maybe not how they are supposed to be, but they are anyway, so they still work. Maybe not as fast, but they work. Jaws locks them completely. And, if one script is broken, almost nothing works. Includinng the keyboard, so you cannot even close it. Your only option is someone sighted, or the reset / power button on your computer. But before I even continue rambling on about jaws, I better stop here. Otherwise I just tell stuff that people already know. Heh Kevin --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi Kevin, I don't know about the research it thing...it is, depending on what you're looking for, much more concise then having to navigate through huge pages full of links you will never use or need. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of weis...@googlemail.com Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 10:32 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific HI, I must absolutely agree with the message below! That is like totally criminal. I never liked jaws anyways. It started to become worse and worse from the first version it was built. It seems like they don't give a damn about fixing issues. They instead add more useless, even more broken features. With useless I especially point at re-search it... I mean everyone can go to google and search for something. It is easy enough. And you will probably have more from it anyways. Also, they don't delete useless files. If, for example, some jawsAPI has been changed, the old DLL is still found somewhere hiding deep in the version. Because of this, the setup files keep growing, and growing, and becoming bigger and bigger. Also, look at sapi 5 support. It is broken. Actually, it worked just fine in version 5.0. Since then, it's broken! It crashes on almost any voice! And then instead of fixing it, they delete it totally? I mean come on! And so I converted over to NVDA, and didn't even bother to install jaws on my laptop. I also removed it from my desktop, since it messed up the graphics card so badly, I hardly could do something. And no, it's not! a bad card. Kevin. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 10:25:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Charles, You are absolutely right from a business point of view. However, there are plenty of alternatives than supporting the screen readers directly. For example, Time of Conflict and Lone Wolf allow you to select SAPI, Jaws, or Window-Eyes. As far as I am concerned using SAPI 5 support is enough and doesn't show favoritism to any screen reader or screen reader manufacturer. It is more ideal anyway as you aren't trying to support every screen reader out there directly. I've actually been asked a few times if I would add Jaws support to my games. While I understand the nature of the requests I have made a polacy not to support any screen readers directly. First of all, it requires more work supporting each and every screen readers individual API directly. Second of all, I feel supporting Freedom Scientific's products goes against my principles. For one thing they have an unfair advantage over their competition because they are largely supported through businesses, government agencies, organizations, and so on that aren't willing to support GW Micro, Dolphin, etc as well. Then, Freedom Scientific shows the world what they are really like by dragging GW Micro, FBC, and anyone else they see as a threat into court. Over the past year or so it has been one lawsuit after another. I happen to know they have a tendancy to treat their customers with little regard or respect as well. For example, a friend of mine ordered a dongle from F.S. and when he got it he found out it was deffective. Instead of exchanging it or something reasonable they told him he had to order a new one at full price. That's down right criminal in my book. Why continue supporting a business, any business, if they are going to treat their customers like that? On 8/7/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: If any game developer is going to provide screen reader support for their games, regardless of how they feel about the screen reader developing company's policies are, I feel that you have to support what your customers are using. Otherwise, you're cutting your own customer base. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
well I always have a hotkey even to start nveda. this is only on my main system and not on the others I use since I don't use it every day on those however. I think hotkeys in general as long as they don't crash are good. At 07:57 a.m. 9/08/2010, you wrote: Hi all. I have had a huge problem with Freedom Scientific's operating procedures ever since I figured out exactly how much it used to cost them to actually make a Braille N Speak, as opposed to how much they were charging for them. I do, however, use JAWS, except on my Windows Seven desktop where I use NVDA. I'd probably use NVDA firrly exclusively, except it still doesn't have the kind of functionality and stability I need. I'd use another screen reader, except that, being in college, I can get JAWS for cheap or free, and free beats paid, even if you don't like where the free comes from. Also, I had that problem, where when the script is broken the whole keyboard input goes down the tube. There is a work around for this that depends on people having a hot key to start JAWS. , whh is actually a pretty good idea anyway. If you try to start the screen reader when it's already running, you'll be given the momenbar, especially if it's running from the system tray. When that menu pops up, press x, and you'll be good to go. The dialogue box will opop up,and you can just press enter to press ok, and that'll close out JAWS. Signed: Dakotah Rickard On 8/8/10, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well I got it working with an external synth a bit ago playing old dos games on a win 98 and then an xp system. however it would be nice if it could run sapi or had something crappy but responsive like espeak loaded in or something. speaking of window bridge, will that still be developed and to keep on topic, has anyone gotten it t work with games? On Aug 7, 2010, at 11:27 PM, Constantine wrote: They seriously did that? This quite honestly does not surprise me. Window Bridge. Man, I used that with a doubletalk or decktalk synthisizer about 12 years ago. - Original Message - From: Travis Siegel tsie...@lothlorien.nfbcal.org To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Actually, if I wanted to, I could sue freedom scientific for several things. Since I now own the rights to the windows bridge code, I could sue for all kinds of things they swiped from wb (such as the capslock key as a modifier) as well as several inovations which were frist introduced by wb before they made it into jaws as a product. I'm not really interested in such nonsense, but I might write them a letter explaining my unhappiness with their current operating procedures, and see if they'd be willing to ... prevent a suit ... hmm, now there's a though. :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
well, with window-eye lto coppies, you have to activate license numbers every month through the internet. On Aug 8, 2010, at 5:46 AM, peter Mahach wrote: Actually, no activation is only in the us, uk, and canada. In other countries there is some internet activation, but still it's prettty much friendly and open. your activations are tied toyour serial number and you can activate on up to 5 computers, providing you own all of them. not like in jaws where you have a separate auth code and have to deal with fs for every reformat or new pc... - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific No, it doesn't, but there is a 60 day evaluation of wineyes you can get for about $100 to try it out. and years ago, you used to be able to receive a 60 day evaluation authorisation disk but the fs thugs put a stopper to that one. At 01:26 PM 8/08/2010, you wrote: I was talking about jaws, not window eyes. Window eyes has no activations, right? - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I disagree that the no activation for 60 days is a bad thing, it gives the newby time enough to try wineyes out, it's certainly better than 40 minutes then reboot, 40 minutes and then reboot etc. At 05:24 AM 8/08/2010, you wrote: Nope i totally disagree on that one. The hole no activations for sixty days thing is a bit rediculous. I'll be switching to the mac, actually. And using NVDA and sapi 5 on windows. - Original Message - From: clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I would like to agree on everyone who's expressed contempt for Freedon Scientific... I've converted to window-eyes and to be honest, I love it a lot more and always have. It's more customizable, and suport is a lot better... I've had a lot of people tel me JFW has better tech support, and I wonder what else those people are kidding themselves abut... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi, The problem with this though is that jaws becomes much much more expencive if people continue to use it frequently. And I think jaws is much enouhg already. Kevin - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 15:06:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Kevin, I don't know about the research it thing...it is, depending on what you're looking for, much more concise then having to navigate through huge pages full of links you will never use or need. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of weis...@googlemail.com Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 10:32 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific HI, I must absolutely agree with the message below! That is like totally criminal. I never liked jaws anyways. It started to become worse and worse from the first version it was built. It seems like they don't give a damn about fixing issues. They instead add more useless, even more broken features. With useless I especially point at re-search it... I mean everyone can go to google and search for something. It is easy enough. And you will probably have more from it anyways. Also, they don't delete useless files. If, for example, some jawsAPI has been changed, the old DLL is still found somewhere hiding deep in the version. Because of this, the setup files keep growing, and growing, and becoming bigger and bigger. Also, look at sapi 5 support. It is broken. Actually, it worked just fine in version 5.0. Since then, it's broken! It crashes on almost any voice! And then instead of fixing it, they delete it totally? I mean come on! And so I converted over to NVDA, and didn't even bother to install jaws on my laptop. I also removed it from my desktop, since it messed up the graphics card so badly, I hardly could do something. And no, it's not! a bad card. Kevin. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 10:25:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Charles, You are absolutely right from a business point of view. However, there are plenty of alternatives than supporting the screen readers directly. For example, Time of Conflict and Lone Wolf allow you to select SAPI, Jaws, or Window-Eyes. As far as I am concerned using SAPI 5 support is enough and doesn't show favoritism to any screen reader or screen reader manufacturer. It is more ideal anyway as you aren't trying to support every screen reader out there directly. I've actually been asked a few times if I would add Jaws support to my games. While I understand the nature of the requests I have made a polacy not to support any screen readers directly. First of all, it requires more work supporting each and every screen readers individual API directly. Second of all, I feel supporting Freedom Scientific's products goes against my principles. For one thing they have an unfair advantage over their competition because they are largely supported through businesses, government agencies, organizations, and so on that aren't willing to support GW Micro, Dolphin, etc as well. Then, Freedom Scientific shows the world what they are really like by dragging GW Micro, FBC, and anyone else they see as a threat into court. Over the past year or so it has been one lawsuit after another. I happen to know they have a tendancy to treat their customers with little regard or respect as well. For example, a friend of mine ordered a dongle from F.S. and when he got it he found out it was deffective. Instead of exchanging it or something reasonable they told him he had to order a new one at full price. That's down right criminal in my book. Why continue supporting a business, any business, if they are going to treat their customers like that? On 8/7/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: If any game developer is going to provide screen reader support for their games, regardless of how they feel about the screen reader developing company's policies are, I feel that you have to support what your customers are using. Otherwise, you're cutting your own customer base. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hello, Yes, I understand. Though still I am wondering why they had to make it this way. My believings are they couldn't get scripting to work without it. But why does window-eyes? Also I find it to be a little odd, having my keyboard keys first being processed through the screen reader I am using. I don't know why but it just feels a little odd. Kevin -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:05 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Kevin, Well, I don't know for certain what the developers did, but I have enough background knowledge of the problem to make an educated guess as to why Jaws locks up whenever you play a game that uses DirectX. I remember several years ago when I was writing Jaws scripts all of the keyboard commands, even those not directly associated with Jaws, seamed to be wrapped by Jaws. In other words I think what they did is write some sort of keyboard and mouse intercept that captures any input events and routes them through Jaws before sending them on to Windows or the currently active application. In this way Jaws would have exclusive control over the keyboard not allowing anything through until it is processed by the screen reader. Now, you start up your favorite game and it happens to use DirectInput. The way DirectInput works is it tries to gain direct access to the keyboard, mouse, and any joysticks on the system. The result is pretty predictable. Jaws wants complete control of the keyboard and DirectX wants control of the keyboard. This will end up in a deadlock because neither one is able to gain direct control of the keyboard. A screen reader like NVDA doesn't have this problem because it simply monitors standard Windows event messages and acts upon them accordingly while not trying to have exclusive control of the keyboard, mouse, or anything else. Make sense? Cheers! On 8/7/10, weis...@googlemail.com weis...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, OH, and something else to mention. Why on earth does jaws lock the arrow keys! I mean no! And I do say no, other screen reader does that, as far as I know. They always are passed through to the application. Maybe not how they are supposed to be, but they are anyway, so they still work. Maybe not as fast, but they work. Jaws locks them completely. And, if one script is broken, almost nothing works. Includinng the keyboard, so you cannot even close it. Your only option is someone sighted, or the reset / power button on your computer. But before I even continue rambling on about jaws, I better stop here. Otherwise I just tell stuff that people already know. Heh Kevin --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
in the US, It hink JAWS is $1095 or so, but I don't know the amount in canadian dollars - Original Message - From: weis...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi, The problem with this though is that jaws becomes much much more expencive if people continue to use it frequently. And I think jaws is much enouhg already. Kevin - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 15:06:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Kevin, I don't know about the research it thing...it is, depending on what you're looking for, much more concise then having to navigate through huge pages full of links you will never use or need. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of weis...@googlemail.com Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 10:32 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific HI, I must absolutely agree with the message below! That is like totally criminal. I never liked jaws anyways. It started to become worse and worse from the first version it was built. It seems like they don't give a damn about fixing issues. They instead add more useless, even more broken features. With useless I especially point at re-search it... I mean everyone can go to google and search for something. It is easy enough. And you will probably have more from it anyways. Also, they don't delete useless files. If, for example, some jawsAPI has been changed, the old DLL is still found somewhere hiding deep in the version. Because of this, the setup files keep growing, and growing, and becoming bigger and bigger. Also, look at sapi 5 support. It is broken. Actually, it worked just fine in version 5.0. Since then, it's broken! It crashes on almost any voice! And then instead of fixing it, they delete it totally? I mean come on! And so I converted over to NVDA, and didn't even bother to install jaws on my laptop. I also removed it from my desktop, since it messed up the graphics card so badly, I hardly could do something. And no, it's not! a bad card. Kevin. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 10:25:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Charles, You are absolutely right from a business point of view. However, there are plenty of alternatives than supporting the screen readers directly. For example, Time of Conflict and Lone Wolf allow you to select SAPI, Jaws, or Window-Eyes. As far as I am concerned using SAPI 5 support is enough and doesn't show favoritism to any screen reader or screen reader manufacturer. It is more ideal anyway as you aren't trying to support every screen reader out there directly. I've actually been asked a few times if I would add Jaws support to my games. While I understand the nature of the requests I have made a polacy not to support any screen readers directly. First of all, it requires more work supporting each and every screen readers individual API directly. Second of all, I feel supporting Freedom Scientific's products goes against my principles. For one thing they have an unfair advantage over their competition because they are largely supported through businesses, government agencies, organizations, and so on that aren't willing to support GW Micro, Dolphin, etc as well. Then, Freedom Scientific shows the world what they are really like by dragging GW Micro, FBC, and anyone else they see as a threat into court. Over the past year or so it has been one lawsuit after another. I happen to know they have a tendancy to treat their customers with little regard or respect as well. For example, a friend of mine ordered a dongle from F.S. and when he got it he found out it was deffective. Instead of exchanging it or something reasonable they told him he had to order a new one at full price. That's down right criminal in my book. Why continue supporting a business, any business, if they are going to treat their customers like that? On 8/7/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: If any game developer is going to provide screen reader support for their games, regardless of how they feel about the screen reader developing company's policies are, I feel that you have to support what your customers are using. Otherwise, you're cutting your own customer base. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
It's better than Eloquence as far as I'm concerned. The only reason I use Eloquence at all, and I mean the ONLY one, is that I find its response rate a bit faster than Dectalk. If it weren't for that Eloquence could kiss my arse LOL. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Thomas, Lol. I don't know how you like dectalk, the sound of that thing is...in my most humble opinion...awful! Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 3:56 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Ben, Yes. Window-Eyes uses Dectalk by default, but the full version does come with Eloquence as well. It also has very good support for SAPI 4 and SAPI 5 voices as well. I'm not sure why everyone likes Eloquence, but yes it is supported. On 8/8/10, Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk wrote: Isn't dectalk standard voice with we? And also what can you do with the voices and is eloquence supported? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Well not entirely. If for whatever reason you don't have access to the internet it is apparently still possible to activate a license number by calling GW Tech Support who, as far as I'm concerned, are miles better than Greedom Science Fiction. I haven't had to use GW support much but the few times I have they were nothing but great, which is more than I can say for Greedom. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Brandon Misch bmisch2...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific well, with window-eye lto coppies, you have to activate license numbers every month through the internet. On Aug 8, 2010, at 5:46 AM, peter Mahach wrote: Actually, no activation is only in the us, uk, and canada. In other countries there is some internet activation, but still it's prettty much friendly and open. your activations are tied toyour serial number and you can activate on up to 5 computers, providing you own all of them. not like in jaws where you have a separate auth code and have to deal with fs for every reformat or new pc... - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific No, it doesn't, but there is a 60 day evaluation of wineyes you can get for about $100 to try it out. and years ago, you used to be able to receive a 60 day evaluation authorisation disk but the fs thugs put a stopper to that one. At 01:26 PM 8/08/2010, you wrote: I was talking about jaws, not window eyes. Window eyes has no activations, right? - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I disagree that the no activation for 60 days is a bad thing, it gives the newby time enough to try wineyes out, it's certainly better than 40 minutes then reboot, 40 minutes and then reboot etc. At 05:24 AM 8/08/2010, you wrote: Nope i totally disagree on that one. The hole no activations for sixty days thing is a bit rediculous. I'll be switching to the mac, actually. And using NVDA and sapi 5 on windows. - Original Message - From: clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I would like to agree on everyone who's expressed contempt for Freedon Scientific... I've converted to window-eyes and to be honest, I love it a lot more and always have. It's more customizable, and suport is a lot better... I've had a lot of people tel me JFW has better tech support, and I wonder what else those people are kidding themselves abut... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
and just today I had to replace some faulty hardware, it was a cd rom drive, and you guessed it, I needed to write in for a reset code because my jaws license was rendered inoperable!! wineyes, hal and NVDA are good screen readers but jaws is the only one that does what I need. At 02:46 PM 9/08/2010, you wrote: Well not entirely. If for whatever reason you don't have access to the internet it is apparently still possible to activate a license number by calling GW Tech Support who, as far as I'm concerned, are miles better than Greedom Science Fiction. I haven't had to use GW support much but the few times I have they were nothing but great, which is more than I can say for Greedom. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Brandon Misch bmisch2...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific well, with window-eye lto coppies, you have to activate license numbers every month through the internet. On Aug 8, 2010, at 5:46 AM, peter Mahach wrote: Actually, no activation is only in the us, uk, and canada. In other countries there is some internet activation, but still it's prettty much friendly and open. your activations are tied toyour serial number and you can activate on up to 5 computers, providing you own all of them. not like in jaws where you have a separate auth code and have to deal with fs for every reformat or new pc... - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific No, it doesn't, but there is a 60 day evaluation of wineyes you can get for about $100 to try it out. and years ago, you used to be able to receive a 60 day evaluation authorisation disk but the fs thugs put a stopper to that one. At 01:26 PM 8/08/2010, you wrote: I was talking about jaws, not window eyes. Window eyes has no activations, right? - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I disagree that the no activation for 60 days is a bad thing, it gives the newby time enough to try wineyes out, it's certainly better than 40 minutes then reboot, 40 minutes and then reboot etc. At 05:24 AM 8/08/2010, you wrote: Nope i totally disagree on that one. The hole no activations for sixty days thing is a bit rediculous. I'll be switching to the mac, actually. And using NVDA and sapi 5 on windows. - Original Message - From: clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I would like to agree on everyone who's expressed contempt for Freedon Scientific... I've converted to window-eyes and to be honest, I love it a lot more and always have. It's more customizable, and suport is a lot better... I've had a lot of people tel me JFW has better tech support, and I wonder what else those people are kidding themselves abut... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
oh btw, I like eloquence, though it does have it's issues, like the words and letter combos that crashes it. At 03:04 PM 9/08/2010, you wrote: and just today I had to replace some faulty hardware, it was a cd rom drive, and you guessed it, I needed to write in for a reset code because my jaws license was rendered inoperable!! wineyes, hal and NVDA are good screen readers but jaws is the only one that does what I need. At 02:46 PM 9/08/2010, you wrote: Well not entirely. If for whatever reason you don't have access to the internet it is apparently still possible to activate a license number by calling GW Tech Support who, as far as I'm concerned, are miles better than Greedom Science Fiction. I haven't had to use GW support much but the few times I have they were nothing but great, which is more than I can say for Greedom. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Brandon Misch bmisch2...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific well, with window-eye lto coppies, you have to activate license numbers every month through the internet. On Aug 8, 2010, at 5:46 AM, peter Mahach wrote: Actually, no activation is only in the us, uk, and canada. In other countries there is some internet activation, but still it's prettty much friendly and open. your activations are tied toyour serial number and you can activate on up to 5 computers, providing you own all of them. not like in jaws where you have a separate auth code and have to deal with fs for every reformat or new pc... - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific No, it doesn't, but there is a 60 day evaluation of wineyes you can get for about $100 to try it out. and years ago, you used to be able to receive a 60 day evaluation authorisation disk but the fs thugs put a stopper to that one. At 01:26 PM 8/08/2010, you wrote: I was talking about jaws, not window eyes. Window eyes has no activations, right? - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I disagree that the no activation for 60 days is a bad thing, it gives the newby time enough to try wineyes out, it's certainly better than 40 minutes then reboot, 40 minutes and then reboot etc. At 05:24 AM 8/08/2010, you wrote: Nope i totally disagree on that one. The hole no activations for sixty days thing is a bit rediculous. I'll be switching to the mac, actually. And using NVDA and sapi 5 on windows. - Original Message - From: clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I would like to agree on everyone who's expressed contempt for Freedon Scientific... I've converted to window-eyes and to be honest, I love it a lot more and always have. It's more customizable, and suport is a lot better... I've had a lot of people tel me JFW has better tech support, and I wonder what else those people are kidding themselves abut... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
well same here same with espeak. its responce rate and the fact nvda uses it as an internal synth is really a good thing. At 04:41 p.m. 9/08/2010, you wrote: It's better than Eloquence as far as I'm concerned. The only reason I use Eloquence at all, and I mean the ONLY one, is that I find its response rate a bit faster than Dectalk. If it weren't for that Eloquence could kiss my arse LOL. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Thomas, Lol. I don't know how you like dectalk, the sound of that thing is...in my most humble opinion...awful! Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 3:56 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Ben, Yes. Window-Eyes uses Dectalk by default, but the full version does come with Eloquence as well. It also has very good support for SAPI 4 and SAPI 5 voices as well. I'm not sure why everyone likes Eloquence, but yes it is supported. On 8/8/10, Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk wrote: Isn't dectalk standard voice with we? And also what can you do with the voices and is eloquence supported? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
I know. That's why I'm probably not going to go that route in my games. I don't have it in me to support JFW anymore. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific If any game developer is going to provide screen reader support for their games, regardless of how they feel about the screen reader developing company's policies are, I feel that you have to support what your customers are using. Otherwise, you're cutting your own customer base. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Again? What in the name of Bob do they think they're doing? I mean I hate Greedom Science Fiction but this is just a new low as far as I'm concerned. And it's stuff like that that has convinced me that if and when I start developing my own games (I'm making slow progress with BGT), and if I decide to add options into some of my games for screen reader support I would almost be tempted not to support JAWS. Of course I have a feeling it would be better just to use Sapi support if not go outright self-voicing. I mean if I supported one screen reader in my games I'd almost have to support the competition since there are those who are still going to be staunch users like I was until about three years ago. So I may not even bother with screen reader support in my games, especially since I really don't plan on making many games where that would really fit all that well. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Louis, Honestly I can't blame you. that's why I have not really been using or supporting Freedom Scientific products much over the past few years. One reason I will not, under any circomstances add Jaws support to my game engine, as I see no need to endorce or support a greedy and selfish company like Freedom Scientific. There are plenty of alternatives to Jaws such as Window-Eyes, NVDA, Hal, etc that there is no excuse to continue supporting or using Jaws. Far as I am concerned Freedom Scientific could go out of business tomorrow and I wouldn't shed a tear. Sorry to say, I have absolutely nothing but contempt for Freedom Scientific and its products. As you say they have gone lawsuit crazy and they have lost any respect I might have had for them in the past. Smile. On 8/6/10, Louis Bryant lo...@braillesoft.net wrote: Hi all. As many of you know FS has gone lawsuit crazy this past year. There was an unsettling case in which FS filed suit against the Foundation for blind children in Arizona, as sighted by BLindBargains.com. To see it, either Google Freedom Scientific Lawsuits or go to BlindBargains.com, look under the latest Bargains heading, and look for Lawsuit Round up. HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
well unfortunately there are those that are stuck with it. being that most organisations for jobs and stuff here seem to only recognise jaws I actually use it. though I actually like sapi support. if you can support nvda then thats also good since nvda has its own library. I have not seen many games with hal support or even no speech support and message boxes and such where the text is on screen for any reader. At 05:32 p.m. 7/08/2010, you wrote: Again? What in the name of Bob do they think they're doing? I mean I hate Greedom Science Fiction but this is just a new low as far as I'm concerned. And it's stuff like that that has convinced me that if and when I start developing my own games (I'm making slow progress with BGT), and if I decide to add options into some of my games for screen reader support I would almost be tempted not to support JAWS. Of course I have a feeling it would be better just to use Sapi support if not go outright self-voicing. I mean if I supported one screen reader in my games I'd almost have to support the competition since there are those who are still going to be staunch users like I was until about three years ago. So I may not even bother with screen reader support in my games, especially since I really don't plan on making many games where that would really fit all that well. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Louis, Honestly I can't blame you. that's why I have not really been using or supporting Freedom Scientific products much over the past few years. One reason I will not, under any circomstances add Jaws support to my game engine, as I see no need to endorce or support a greedy and selfish company like Freedom Scientific. There are plenty of alternatives to Jaws such as Window-Eyes, NVDA, Hal, etc that there is no excuse to continue supporting or using Jaws. Far as I am concerned Freedom Scientific could go out of business tomorrow and I wouldn't shed a tear. Sorry to say, I have absolutely nothing but contempt for Freedom Scientific and its products. As you say they have gone lawsuit crazy and they have lost any respect I might have had for them in the past. Smile. On 8/6/10, Louis Bryant lo...@braillesoft.net wrote: Hi all. As many of you know FS has gone lawsuit crazy this past year. There was an unsettling case in which FS filed suit against the Foundation for blind children in Arizona, as sighted by BLindBargains.com. To see it, either Google Freedom Scientific Lawsuits or go to BlindBargains.com, look under the latest Bargains heading, and look for Lawsuit Round up. HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Games rarely support hal anyway in a self voicing sense, though it is good with programs like smugglers with unusual interfaces. To be honest though, when games are on windows, i really don't see what wrong with sapi, especially sinse for any serious gamer getting a good sapi voice is a bit like getting a joystick. That's why I'm very happy to use sSapi in Gma's titles, jim's games, the spoonbill stuff, and now, 7-128 software (where It will be a real improvement). Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Again? What in the name of Bob do they think they're doing? I mean I hate Greedom Science Fiction but this is just a new low as far as I'm concerned. And it's stuff like that that has convinced me that if and when I start developing my own games (I'm making slow progress with BGT), and if I decide to add options into some of my games for screen reader support I would almost be tempted not to support JAWS. Of course I have a feeling it would be better just to use Sapi support if not go outright self-voicing. I mean if I supported one screen reader in my games I'd almost have to support the competition since there are those who are still going to be staunch users like I was until about three years ago. So I may not even bother with screen reader support in my games, especially since I really don't plan on making many games where that would really fit all that well. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Louis, Honestly I can't blame you. that's why I have not really been using or supporting Freedom Scientific products much over the past few years. One reason I will not, under any circomstances add Jaws support to my game engine, as I see no need to endorce or support a greedy and selfish company like Freedom Scientific. There are plenty of alternatives to Jaws such as Window-Eyes, NVDA, Hal, etc that there is no excuse to continue supporting or using Jaws. Far as I am concerned Freedom Scientific could go out of business tomorrow and I wouldn't shed a tear. Sorry to say, I have absolutely nothing but contempt for Freedom Scientific and its products. As you say they have gone lawsuit crazy and they have lost any respect I might have had for them in the past. Smile. On 8/6/10, Louis Bryant lo...@braillesoft.net wrote: Hi all. As many of you know FS has gone lawsuit crazy this past year. There was an unsettling case in which FS filed suit against the Foundation for blind children in Arizona, as sighted by BLindBargains.com. To see it, either Google Freedom Scientific Lawsuits or go to BlindBargains.com, look under the latest Bargains heading, and look for Lawsuit Round up. HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
I would like to agree on everyone who's expressed contempt for Freedon Scientific... I've converted to window-eyes and to be honest, I love it a lot more and always have. It's more customizable, and suport is a lot better... I've had a lot of people tel me JFW has better tech support, and I wonder what else those people are kidding themselves abut... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
First, I so agree. I converted to window-eyes my self. I actually been a we user since 4.5 in 2004 to about 7, but then I got a vista pc and, I sort of, ok, I'l say it outright, I was using a cracked version of jaws, as nvda wasn't as stable as it is now back then. Later I could finally afford to get a new version of window-eyes and drop the shark, which is what I did. Sadly I had some preasure on me and I was kind of forced to get a pm instead of a braille sense. in a way, I like it, because it's open, and I dislike it, because it has jaws and can be unstable, but what can you do. either that or back to braille writers. Louis, does this mean you're not going to release any new pm stuff? damn, I was looking forward to uno3.0... BTW, I don't support fs either - Original Message - From: Louis Bryant lo...@braillesoft.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 2:48 AM Subject: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi all. As many of you know FS has gone lawsuit crazy this past year. There was an unsettling case in which FS filed suit against the Foundation for blind children in Arizona, as sighted by BLindBargains.com. To see it, either Google Freedom Scientific Lawsuits or go to BlindBargains.com, look under the latest Bargains heading, and look for Lawsuit Round up. HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi Dark, Right. In fact, in the latest build of the Genisis Engine I have added SAPI 5.x support. I haven't yet converted MOTA over to SAPI but like you I believe buying high quality voices such as the ATT Natural Voices, Cepstral Voices, etc is a bit like buying a joystick. It is a game accessory and the advantages of using SAPI directly is really the best way to go for Windows games. I've found when testing the C++ version of the Genesis Engine with SAPI support that its more responsive than using wav files, you can adjust the voice to your preference, interrupt speech, etc so the advantages out way the disadvantages here. Since SAPI is really the best choice directly supporting something like Jaws is unnecessary to begin with. Smile. On 8/7/10, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Games rarely support hal anyway in a self voicing sense, though it is good with programs like smugglers with unusual interfaces. To be honest though, when games are on windows, i really don't see what wrong with sapi, especially sinse for any serious gamer getting a good sapi voice is a bit like getting a joystick. That's why I'm very happy to use sSapi in Gma's titles, jim's games, the spoonbill stuff, and now, 7-128 software (where It will be a real improvement). Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi, That's unfortunately true. Here in the U.S. most organizations and government agencies only recognize Freedom Scientific's products in any official copacity. However, with free and open source solutions like NVDA out there one can choose to pass on Jaws and choose to use NVDA instead. If they want a good professional screen reader GW Micro has a payment plan for Window-Eyes that is quite affordable on a fixed income. I think all and all the days of Jaws are numbered. Sooner or later their customers will see Freedom Scientific for the crooks they are and walk away. There is no need to continue putting money in Freedom Scientific's pockets if they continue with their lawsuit crazy mentality. It just goes to prove what kind of people we are dealing with. Smile. On 8/7/10, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well unfortunately there are those that are stuck with it. being that most organisations for jobs and stuff here seem to only recognise jaws I actually use it. though I actually like sapi support. if you can support nvda then thats also good since nvda has its own library. I have not seen many games with hal support or even no speech support and message boxes and such where the text is on screen for any reader. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
speaking of screen reader support, will system access support be included in your game engine and any future titles? On Aug 7, 2010, at 12:59 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Louis, Honestly I can't blame you. that's why I have not really been using or supporting Freedom Scientific products much over the past few years. One reason I will not, under any circomstances add Jaws support to my game engine, as I see no need to endorce or support a greedy and selfish company like Freedom Scientific. There are plenty of alternatives to Jaws such as Window-Eyes, NVDA, Hal, etc that there is no excuse to continue supporting or using Jaws. Far as I am concerned Freedom Scientific could go out of business tomorrow and I wouldn't shed a tear. Sorry to say, I have absolutely nothing but contempt for Freedom Scientific and its products. As you say they have gone lawsuit crazy and they have lost any respect I might have had for them in the past. Smile. On 8/6/10, Louis Bryant lo...@braillesoft.net wrote: Hi all. As many of you know FS has gone lawsuit crazy this past year. There was an unsettling case in which FS filed suit against the Foundation for blind children in Arizona, as sighted by BLindBargains.com. To see it, either Google Freedom Scientific Lawsuits or go to BlindBargains.com, look under the latest Bargains heading, and look for Lawsuit Round up. HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi Charles, You are absolutely right from a business point of view. However, there are plenty of alternatives than supporting the screen readers directly. For example, Time of Conflict and Lone Wolf allow you to select SAPI, Jaws, or Window-Eyes. As far as I am concerned using SAPI 5 support is enough and doesn't show favoritism to any screen reader or screen reader manufacturer. It is more ideal anyway as you aren't trying to support every screen reader out there directly. I've actually been asked a few times if I would add Jaws support to my games. While I understand the nature of the requests I have made a polacy not to support any screen readers directly. First of all, it requires more work supporting each and every screen readers individual API directly. Second of all, I feel supporting Freedom Scientific's products goes against my principles. For one thing they have an unfair advantage over their competition because they are largely supported through businesses, government agencies, organizations, and so on that aren't willing to support GW Micro, Dolphin, etc as well. Then, Freedom Scientific shows the world what they are really like by dragging GW Micro, FBC, and anyone else they see as a threat into court. Over the past year or so it has been one lawsuit after another. I happen to know they have a tendancy to treat their customers with little regard or respect as well. For example, a friend of mine ordered a dongle from F.S. and when he got it he found out it was deffective. Instead of exchanging it or something reasonable they told him he had to order a new one at full price. That's down right criminal in my book. Why continue supporting a business, any business, if they are going to treat their customers like that? On 8/7/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: If any game developer is going to provide screen reader support for their games, regardless of how they feel about the screen reader developing company's policies are, I feel that you have to support what your customers are using. Otherwise, you're cutting your own customer base. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi Brandon, Smile. As I said in a previous post I have a general polacy not to support any screen reader directly. For one thing it is extra work trying to directly support Jaws, System Access, NVDA, Window-Eyes, etc when there are easier solutions like SAPI 5 that would work just as well. Plus by using SAPI or self-voicing the game through wav files the game can be used by someone who either doesn't have a screen reader or doesn't have a compatible screen reader than those supported. Finally, if I started supporting screen readers sooner or later I'm sure I'd get requests to support this or that screen reader which I may not have or wish to support. So not supporting any directly saves me from showing favoritism to any screen reader or company regardless of how I feel about them personally. Cheers! On 8/7/10, Brandon Misch bmisch2...@gmail.com wrote: speaking of screen reader support, will system access support be included in your game engine and any future titles? On Aug 7, 2010, at 12:59 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Louis, Honestly I can't blame you. that's why I have not really been using or supporting Freedom Scientific products much over the past few years. One reason I will not, under any circomstances add Jaws support to my game engine, as I see no need to endorce or support a greedy and selfish company like Freedom Scientific. There are plenty of alternatives to Jaws such as Window-Eyes, NVDA, Hal, etc that there is no excuse to continue supporting or using Jaws. Far as I am concerned Freedom Scientific could go out of business tomorrow and I wouldn't shed a tear. Sorry to say, I have absolutely nothing but contempt for Freedom Scientific and its products. As you say they have gone lawsuit crazy and they have lost any respect I might have had for them in the past. Smile. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
o that makes sense. On Aug 7, 2010, at 10:36 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Brandon, Smile. As I said in a previous post I have a general polacy not to support any screen reader directly. For one thing it is extra work trying to directly support Jaws, System Access, NVDA, Window-Eyes, etc when there are easier solutions like SAPI 5 that would work just as well. Plus by using SAPI or self-voicing the game through wav files the game can be used by someone who either doesn't have a screen reader or doesn't have a compatible screen reader than those supported. Finally, if I started supporting screen readers sooner or later I'm sure I'd get requests to support this or that screen reader which I may not have or wish to support. So not supporting any directly saves me from showing favoritism to any screen reader or company regardless of how I feel about them personally. Cheers! On 8/7/10, Brandon Misch bmisch2...@gmail.com wrote: speaking of screen reader support, will system access support be included in your game engine and any future titles? On Aug 7, 2010, at 12:59 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Louis, Honestly I can't blame you. that's why I have not really been using or supporting Freedom Scientific products much over the past few years. One reason I will not, under any circomstances add Jaws support to my game engine, as I see no need to endorce or support a greedy and selfish company like Freedom Scientific. There are plenty of alternatives to Jaws such as Window-Eyes, NVDA, Hal, etc that there is no excuse to continue supporting or using Jaws. Far as I am concerned Freedom Scientific could go out of business tomorrow and I wouldn't shed a tear. Sorry to say, I have absolutely nothing but contempt for Freedom Scientific and its products. As you say they have gone lawsuit crazy and they have lost any respect I might have had for them in the past. Smile. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
HI, I must absolutely agree with the message below! That is like totally criminal. I never liked jaws anyways. It started to become worse and worse from the first version it was built. It seems like they don't give a damn about fixing issues. They instead add more useless, even more broken features. With useless I especially point at re-search it... I mean everyone can go to google and search for something. It is easy enough. And you will probably have more from it anyways. Also, they don't delete useless files. If, for example, some jawsAPI has been changed, the old DLL is still found somewhere hiding deep in the version. Because of this, the setup files keep growing, and growing, and becoming bigger and bigger. Also, look at sapi 5 support. It is broken. Actually, it worked just fine in version 5.0. Since then, it's broken! It crashes on almost any voice! And then instead of fixing it, they delete it totally? I mean come on! And so I converted over to NVDA, and didn't even bother to install jaws on my laptop. I also removed it from my desktop, since it messed up the graphics card so badly, I hardly could do something. And no, it's not! a bad card. Kevin. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 10:25:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Charles, You are absolutely right from a business point of view. However, there are plenty of alternatives than supporting the screen readers directly. For example, Time of Conflict and Lone Wolf allow you to select SAPI, Jaws, or Window-Eyes. As far as I am concerned using SAPI 5 support is enough and doesn't show favoritism to any screen reader or screen reader manufacturer. It is more ideal anyway as you aren't trying to support every screen reader out there directly. I've actually been asked a few times if I would add Jaws support to my games. While I understand the nature of the requests I have made a polacy not to support any screen readers directly. First of all, it requires more work supporting each and every screen readers individual API directly. Second of all, I feel supporting Freedom Scientific's products goes against my principles. For one thing they have an unfair advantage over their competition because they are largely supported through businesses, government agencies, organizations, and so on that aren't willing to support GW Micro, Dolphin, etc as well. Then, Freedom Scientific shows the world what they are really like by dragging GW Micro, FBC, and anyone else they see as a threat into court. Over the past year or so it has been one lawsuit after another. I happen to know they have a tendancy to treat their customers with little regard or respect as well. For example, a friend of mine ordered a dongle from F.S. and when he got it he found out it was deffective. Instead of exchanging it or something reasonable they told him he had to order a new one at full price. That's down right criminal in my book. Why continue supporting a business, any business, if they are going to treat their customers like that? On 8/7/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: If any game developer is going to provide screen reader support for their games, regardless of how they feel about the screen reader developing company's policies are, I feel that you have to support what your customers are using. Otherwise, you're cutting your own customer base. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi, OH, and something else to mention. Why on earth does jaws lock the arrow keys! I mean no! And I do say no, other screen reader does that, as far as I know. They always are passed through to the application. Maybe not how they are supposed to be, but they are anyway, so they still work. Maybe not as fast, but they work. Jaws locks them completely. And, if one script is broken, almost nothing works. Includinng the keyboard, so you cannot even close it. Your only option is someone sighted, or the reset / power button on your computer. But before I even continue rambling on about jaws, I better stop here. Otherwise I just tell stuff that people already know. Heh Kevin - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 10:25:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Charles, You are absolutely right from a business point of view. However, there are plenty of alternatives than supporting the screen readers directly. For example, Time of Conflict and Lone Wolf allow you to select SAPI, Jaws, or Window-Eyes. As far as I am concerned using SAPI 5 support is enough and doesn't show favoritism to any screen reader or screen reader manufacturer. It is more ideal anyway as you aren't trying to support every screen reader out there directly. I've actually been asked a few times if I would add Jaws support to my games. While I understand the nature of the requests I have made a polacy not to support any screen readers directly. First of all, it requires more work supporting each and every screen readers individual API directly. Second of all, I feel supporting Freedom Scientific's products goes against my principles. For one thing they have an unfair advantage over their competition because they are largely supported through businesses, government agencies, organizations, and so on that aren't willing to support GW Micro, Dolphin, etc as well. Then, Freedom Scientific shows the world what they are really like by dragging GW Micro, FBC, and anyone else they see as a threat into court. Over the past year or so it has been one lawsuit after another. I happen to know they have a tendancy to treat their customers with little regard or respect as well. For example, a friend of mine ordered a dongle from F.S. and when he got it he found out it was deffective. Instead of exchanging it or something reasonable they told him he had to order a new one at full price. That's down right criminal in my book. Why continue supporting a business, any business, if they are going to treat their customers like that? On 8/7/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: If any game developer is going to provide screen reader support for their games, regardless of how they feel about the screen reader developing company's policies are, I feel that you have to support what your customers are using. Otherwise, you're cutting your own customer base. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi Kevin, Well, I don't know for certain what the developers did, but I have enough background knowledge of the problem to make an educated guess as to why Jaws locks up whenever you play a game that uses DirectX. I remember several years ago when I was writing Jaws scripts all of the keyboard commands, even those not directly associated with Jaws, seamed to be wrapped by Jaws. In other words I think what they did is write some sort of keyboard and mouse intercept that captures any input events and routes them through Jaws before sending them on to Windows or the currently active application. In this way Jaws would have exclusive control over the keyboard not allowing anything through until it is processed by the screen reader. Now, you start up your favorite game and it happens to use DirectInput. The way DirectInput works is it tries to gain direct access to the keyboard, mouse, and any joysticks on the system. The result is pretty predictable. Jaws wants complete control of the keyboard and DirectX wants control of the keyboard. This will end up in a deadlock because neither one is able to gain direct control of the keyboard. A screen reader like NVDA doesn't have this problem because it simply monitors standard Windows event messages and acts upon them accordingly while not trying to have exclusive control of the keyboard, mouse, or anything else. Make sense? Cheers! On 8/7/10, weis...@googlemail.com weis...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, OH, and something else to mention. Why on earth does jaws lock the arrow keys! I mean no! And I do say no, other screen reader does that, as far as I know. They always are passed through to the application. Maybe not how they are supposed to be, but they are anyway, so they still work. Maybe not as fast, but they work. Jaws locks them completely. And, if one script is broken, almost nothing works. Includinng the keyboard, so you cannot even close it. Your only option is someone sighted, or the reset / power button on your computer. But before I even continue rambling on about jaws, I better stop here. Otherwise I just tell stuff that people already know. Heh Kevin --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
The same goes for canadian groups and businesses... I'm part of the Vancouver school district in Canada, and the only screenreadeer that the special educational institute leds students like myself is JFW, though I've tried time and time again to convince window-eyes is the way to go. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi, That's unfortunately true. Here in the U.S. most organizations and government agencies only recognize Freedom Scientific's products in any official copacity. However, with free and open source solutions like NVDA out there one can choose to pass on Jaws and choose to use NVDA instead. If they want a good professional screen reader GW Micro has a payment plan for Window-Eyes that is quite affordable on a fixed income. I think all and all the days of Jaws are numbered. Sooner or later their customers will see Freedom Scientific for the crooks they are and walk away. There is no need to continue putting money in Freedom Scientific's pockets if they continue with their lawsuit crazy mentality. It just goes to prove what kind of people we are dealing with. Smile. On 8/7/10, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well unfortunately there are those that are stuck with it. being that most organisations for jobs and stuff here seem to only recognise jaws I actually use it. though I actually like sapi support. if you can support nvda then thats also good since nvda has its own library. I have not seen many games with hal support or even no speech support and message boxes and such where the text is on screen for any reader. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi, This also applies to the pac mates - which are horribly out of date and need huge revamps. And also cost ten times more than the compitition. Well that's an exageration, but you get my drift. The fact they sued a non prophit organization because of a small thing like this is just horrible. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi, That's unfortunately true. Here in the U.S. most organizations and government agencies only recognize Freedom Scientific's products in any official copacity. However, with free and open source solutions like NVDA out there one can choose to pass on Jaws and choose to use NVDA instead. If they want a good professional screen reader GW Micro has a payment plan for Window-Eyes that is quite affordable on a fixed income. I think all and all the days of Jaws are numbered. Sooner or later their customers will see Freedom Scientific for the crooks they are and walk away. There is no need to continue putting money in Freedom Scientific's pockets if they continue with their lawsuit crazy mentality. It just goes to prove what kind of people we are dealing with. Smile. On 8/7/10, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well unfortunately there are those that are stuck with it. being that most organisations for jobs and stuff here seem to only recognise jaws I actually use it. though I actually like sapi support. if you can support nvda then thats also good since nvda has its own library. I have not seen many games with hal support or even no speech support and message boxes and such where the text is on screen for any reader. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
It's the same here. Although the department I work for is getting sick of freedom scientific - do you know that they won't let aroga sell their products any more? - And they're going to be buying a few copies of window eyes for students. Here in manitoba that is. - Original Message - From: clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific The same goes for canadian groups and businesses... I'm part of the Vancouver school district in Canada, and the only screenreadeer that the special educational institute leds students like myself is JFW, though I've tried time and time again to convince window-eyes is the way to go. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi, That's unfortunately true. Here in the U.S. most organizations and government agencies only recognize Freedom Scientific's products in any official copacity. However, with free and open source solutions like NVDA out there one can choose to pass on Jaws and choose to use NVDA instead. If they want a good professional screen reader GW Micro has a payment plan for Window-Eyes that is quite affordable on a fixed income. I think all and all the days of Jaws are numbered. Sooner or later their customers will see Freedom Scientific for the crooks they are and walk away. There is no need to continue putting money in Freedom Scientific's pockets if they continue with their lawsuit crazy mentality. It just goes to prove what kind of people we are dealing with. Smile. On 8/7/10, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well unfortunately there are those that are stuck with it. being that most organisations for jobs and stuff here seem to only recognise jaws I actually use it. though I actually like sapi support. if you can support nvda then thats also good since nvda has its own library. I have not seen many games with hal support or even no speech support and message boxes and such where the text is on screen for any reader. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Nope i totally disagree on that one. The hole no activations for sixty days thing is a bit rediculous. I'll be switching to the mac, actually. And using NVDA and sapi 5 on windows. - Original Message - From: clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I would like to agree on everyone who's expressed contempt for Freedon Scientific... I've converted to window-eyes and to be honest, I love it a lot more and always have. It's more customizable, and suport is a lot better... I've had a lot of people tel me JFW has better tech support, and I wonder what else those people are kidding themselves abut... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
That's probably the main reason why my games most likely won't have direct screen reader support. I don't think I have it in me to be impartial about each company, Greedom Science Fiction least of all. Not only that but as Thomas said it's a lot more extra work than just coding it to work off SAPI. Granted I'm not a huge fan of SAPI even in games unless absolutely necessary for changing stats and things like that but I'll use it if I have to. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Constantine tcwoo...@shaw.ca To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific It's the same here. Although the department I work for is getting sick of freedom scientific - do you know that they won't let aroga sell their products any more? - And they're going to be buying a few copies of window eyes for students. Here in manitoba that is. - Original Message - From: clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific The same goes for canadian groups and businesses... I'm part of the Vancouver school district in Canada, and the only screenreadeer that the special educational institute leds students like myself is JFW, though I've tried time and time again to convince window-eyes is the way to go. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi, That's unfortunately true. Here in the U.S. most organizations and government agencies only recognize Freedom Scientific's products in any official copacity. However, with free and open source solutions like NVDA out there one can choose to pass on Jaws and choose to use NVDA instead. If they want a good professional screen reader GW Micro has a payment plan for Window-Eyes that is quite affordable on a fixed income. I think all and all the days of Jaws are numbered. Sooner or later their customers will see Freedom Scientific for the crooks they are and walk away. There is no need to continue putting money in Freedom Scientific's pockets if they continue with their lawsuit crazy mentality. It just goes to prove what kind of people we are dealing with. Smile. On 8/7/10, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well unfortunately there are those that are stuck with it. being that most organisations for jobs and stuff here seem to only recognise jaws I actually use it. though I actually like sapi support. if you can support nvda then thats also good since nvda has its own library. I have not seen many games with hal support or even no speech support and message boxes and such where the text is on screen for any reader. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Lucky you... wish I could get aroga n vancouver to see WE instead of JFW. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Actually, if I wanted to, I could sue freedom scientific for several things. Since I now own the rights to the windows bridge code, I could sue for all kinds of things they swiped from wb (such as the capslock key as a modifier) as well as several inovations which were frist introduced by wb before they made it into jaws as a product. I'm not really interested in such nonsense, but I might write them a letter explaining my unhappiness with their current operating procedures, and see if they'd be willing to ... prevent a suit ... hmm, now there's a though. :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi. Recently I've switched to SAToGo and absolutely love it! Regarding Uno 3.0, I am not sure if I will even develop anymore for Pocket PC since there is only PAC Mate Omni that is fully supported. If there are any blind people out there who use a different Pocket PC then 3.0 may be considered, otherwise it will only be supported by Level Star products and Windows Mobile Phones. I am still supporting the Windows Mobile Smartphone though. HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
I disagree that the no activation for 60 days is a bad thing, it gives the newby time enough to try wineyes out, it's certainly better than 40 minutes then reboot, 40 minutes and then reboot etc. At 05:24 AM 8/08/2010, you wrote: Nope i totally disagree on that one. The hole no activations for sixty days thing is a bit rediculous. I'll be switching to the mac, actually. And using NVDA and sapi 5 on windows. - Original Message - From: clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I would like to agree on everyone who's expressed contempt for Freedon Scientific... I've converted to window-eyes and to be honest, I love it a lot more and always have. It's more customizable, and suport is a lot better... I've had a lot of people tel me JFW has better tech support, and I wonder what else those people are kidding themselves abut... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Do it travis! do it now! At 11:17 PM 7/08/2010, you wrote: Actually, if I wanted to, I could sue freedom scientific for several things. Since I now own the rights to the windows bridge code, I could sue for all kinds of things they swiped from wb (such as the capslock key as a modifier) as well as several inovations which were frist introduced by wb before they made it into jaws as a product. I'm not really interested in such nonsense, but I might write them a letter explaining my unhappiness with their current operating procedures, and see if they'd be willing to ... prevent a suit ... hmm, now there's a though. :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
One more for the freedom scifi dirt file I'm building. At 01:31 AM 8/08/2010, you wrote: HI, I must absolutely agree with the message below! That is like totally criminal. I never liked jaws anyways. It started to become worse and worse from the first version it was built. It seems like they don't give a damn about fixing issues. They instead add more useless, even more broken features. With useless I especially point at re-search it... I mean everyone can go to google and search for something. It is easy enough. And you will probably have more from it anyways. Also, they don't delete useless files. If, for example, some jawsAPI has been changed, the old DLL is still found somewhere hiding deep in the version. Because of this, the setup files keep growing, and growing, and becoming bigger and bigger. Also, look at sapi 5 support. It is broken. Actually, it worked just fine in version 5.0. Since then, it's broken! It crashes on almost any voice! And then instead of fixing it, they delete it totally? I mean come on! And so I converted over to NVDA, and didn't even bother to install jaws on my laptop. I also removed it from my desktop, since it messed up the graphics card so badly, I hardly could do something. And no, it's not! a bad card. Kevin. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 10:25:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Charles, You are absolutely right from a business point of view. However, there are plenty of alternatives than supporting the screen readers directly. For example, Time of Conflict and Lone Wolf allow you to select SAPI, Jaws, or Window-Eyes. As far as I am concerned using SAPI 5 support is enough and doesn't show favoritism to any screen reader or screen reader manufacturer. It is more ideal anyway as you aren't trying to support every screen reader out there directly. I've actually been asked a few times if I would add Jaws support to my games. While I understand the nature of the requests I have made a polacy not to support any screen readers directly. First of all, it requires more work supporting each and every screen readers individual API directly. Second of all, I feel supporting Freedom Scientific's products goes against my principles. For one thing they have an unfair advantage over their competition because they are largely supported through businesses, government agencies, organizations, and so on that aren't willing to support GW Micro, Dolphin, etc as well. Then, Freedom Scientific shows the world what they are really like by dragging GW Micro, FBC, and anyone else they see as a threat into court. Over the past year or so it has been one lawsuit after another. I happen to know they have a tendancy to treat their customers with little regard or respect as well. For example, a friend of mine ordered a dongle from F.S. and when he got it he found out it was deffective. Instead of exchanging it or something reasonable they told him he had to order a new one at full price. That's down right criminal in my book. Why continue supporting a business, any business, if they are going to treat their customers like that? On 8/7/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: If any game developer is going to provide screen reader support for their games, regardless of how they feel about the screen reader developing company's policies are, I feel that you have to support what your customers are using. Otherwise, you're cutting your own customer base. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
hi thomas, Thank you for allowing us to comment. Freedom scientific has put several of our friends in brazil on courte, because, guess what? we decided to try and have alteernatives to jaws, which, is over 4,500 reais (our currency). We do not believe, as a nation, that we have to stick to jaws just because it is the largest one around. I am working on translating dosvox, (its for windows, don't panic!) into english, to include you all into what brazilians have done. with this and NVDA, we do not need jaws. Freedom scientific did a great think in the beginning, but allowed power over come their will toh elp people. We do not need, and shall not, allow them to continue. mauricio Thank you for letting me know of all they are doing at the united states as well. mauricio -Mensagem original- De: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Sabado, 7 de Agosto de 2010 10:25 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Charles, You are absolutely right from a business point of view. However, there are plenty of alternatives than supporting the screen readers directly. For example, Time of Conflict and Lone Wolf allow you to select SAPI, Jaws, or Window-Eyes. As far as I am concerned using SAPI 5 support is enough and doesn't show favoritism to any screen reader or screen reader manufacturer. It is more ideal anyway as you aren't trying to support every screen reader out there directly. I've actually been asked a few times if I would add Jaws support to my games. While I understand the nature of the requests I have made a polacy not to support any screen readers directly. First of all, it requires more work supporting each and every screen readers individual API directly. Second of all, I feel supporting Freedom Scientific's products goes against my principles. For one thing they have an unfair advantage over their competition because they are largely supported through businesses, government agencies, organizations, and so on that aren't willing to support GW Micro, Dolphin, etc as well. Then, Freedom Scientific shows the world what they are really like by dragging GW Micro, FBC, and anyone else they see as a threat into court. Over the past year or so it has been one lawsuit after another. I happen to know they have a tendancy to treat their customers with little regard or respect as well. For example, a friend of mine ordered a dongle from F.S. and when he got it he found out it was deffective. Instead of exchanging it or something reasonable they told him he had to order a new one at full price. That's down right criminal in my book. Why continue supporting a business, any business, if they are going to treat their customers like that? On 8/7/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: If any game developer is going to provide screen reader support for their games, regardless of how they feel about the screen reader developing company's policies are, I feel that you have to support what your customers are using. Otherwise, you're cutting your own customer base. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
I was going to point that out, but thanks. lol. I hated having to reboot after 40 minutes... especially when I was in the middling of doing something or having something download. - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I disagree that the no activation for 60 days is a bad thing, it gives the newby time enough to try wineyes out, it's certainly better than 40 minutes then reboot, 40 minutes and then reboot etc. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
I was talking about jaws, not window eyes. Window eyes has no activations, right? - Original Message - From: Stephen whocr...@internode.on.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I disagree that the no activation for 60 days is a bad thing, it gives the newby time enough to try wineyes out, it's certainly better than 40 minutes then reboot, 40 minutes and then reboot etc. At 05:24 AM 8/08/2010, you wrote: Nope i totally disagree on that one. The hole no activations for sixty days thing is a bit rediculous. I'll be switching to the mac, actually. And using NVDA and sapi 5 on windows. - Original Message - From: clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I would like to agree on everyone who's expressed contempt for Freedon Scientific... I've converted to window-eyes and to be honest, I love it a lot more and always have. It's more customizable, and suport is a lot better... I've had a lot of people tel me JFW has better tech support, and I wonder what else those people are kidding themselves abut... --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
They seriously did that? This quite honestly does not surprise me. Window Bridge. Man, I used that with a doubletalk or decktalk synthisizer about 12 years ago. - Original Message - From: Travis Siegel tsie...@lothlorien.nfbcal.org To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Actually, if I wanted to, I could sue freedom scientific for several things. Since I now own the rights to the windows bridge code, I could sue for all kinds of things they swiped from wb (such as the capslock key as a modifier) as well as several inovations which were frist introduced by wb before they made it into jaws as a product. I'm not really interested in such nonsense, but I might write them a letter explaining my unhappiness with their current operating procedures, and see if they'd be willing to ... prevent a suit ... hmm, now there's a though. :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
I wouldn't mind seeing FS get put in there place... I say do it! - Original Message - From: Constantine tcwoo...@shaw.ca To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific They seriously did that? This quite honestly does not surprise me. Window Bridge. Man, I used that with a doubletalk or decktalk synthisizer about 12 years ago. - Original Message - From: Travis Siegel tsie...@lothlorien.nfbcal.org To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Actually, if I wanted to, I could sue freedom scientific for several things. Since I now own the rights to the windows bridge code, I could sue for all kinds of things they swiped from wb (such as the capslock key as a modifier) as well as several inovations which were frist introduced by wb before they made it into jaws as a product. I'm not really interested in such nonsense, but I might write them a letter explaining my unhappiness with their current operating procedures, and see if they'd be willing to ... prevent a suit ... hmm, now there's a though. :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
as a revolutionary citizen from brasil, I am already supporting your cause by advertizing this in accessible blogs of our nation. I have completely stopped supporting FS in anyway, and am looking forward to working with projects such as NVDA. My cousin is a student at MIT, and we will look forward with sharing the cause with open source deffensors in colleges as well. Go freedom! (of users, not scientific!) mauricio -Mensagem original- De: clement chou chou.clem...@gmail.com Para: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Data: Sabado, 7 de Agosto de 2010 20:53 Assunto: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific I wouldn't mind seeing FS get put in there place... I say do it! - Original Message - From: Constantine tcwoo...@shaw.ca To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific They seriously did that? This quite honestly does not surprise me. Window Bridge. Man, I used that with a doubletalk or decktalk synthisizer about 12 years ago. - Original Message - From: Travis Siegel tsie...@lothlorien.nfbcal.org To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Actually, if I wanted to, I could sue freedom scientific for several things. Since I now own the rights to the windows bridge code, I could sue for all kinds of things they swiped from wb (such as the capslock key as a modifier) as well as several inovations which were frist introduced by wb before they made it into jaws as a product. I'm not really interested in such nonsense, but I might write them a letter explaining my unhappiness with their current operating procedures, and see if they'd be willing to ... prevent a suit ... hmm, now there's a though. :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
well I don't like the fs tactics. but here in new zealand its mostly fs. the braille note is the other thing and if i had not got so far into windows I think it would be a braille note if I started again and a mac. At 09:30 p.m. 7/08/2010, you wrote: First, I so agree. I converted to window-eyes my self. I actually been a we user since 4.5 in 2004 to about 7, but then I got a vista pc and, I sort of, ok, I'l say it outright, I was using a cracked version of jaws, as nvda wasn't as stable as it is now back then. Later I could finally afford to get a new version of window-eyes and drop the shark, which is what I did. Sadly I had some preasure on me and I was kind of forced to get a pm instead of a braille sense. in a way, I like it, because it's open, and I dislike it, because it has jaws and can be unstable, but what can you do. either that or back to braille writers. Louis, does this mean you're not going to release any new pm stuff? damn, I was looking forward to uno3.0... BTW, I don't support fs either - Original Message - From: Louis Bryant lo...@braillesoft.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 2:48 AM Subject: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi all. As many of you know FS has gone lawsuit crazy this past year. There was an unsettling case in which FS filed suit against the Foundation for blind children in Arizona, as sighted by BLindBargains.com. To see it, either Google Freedom Scientific Lawsuits or go to BlindBargains.com, look under the latest Bargains heading, and look for Lawsuit Round up. HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5266 (20100709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
I aggree with all of this including their stupid polocies, ie profesional to run pro systems and extra packages to use remote services etc. However I doubt I will be changing to anything, I havn't upgraded in ages, and probably won't for a bit. but since I am stuck with the software unless I spend a large load of cash to get and learn a fully new reader which is not going to happen right now thats not gona be the case. I use hal and nvda, happily nvda is recognised, probably because the libraries use it and they need to. Since we are sort of going off topic though I will bring it back in a sort of round about manner by saying that the braillenote by humanware is being recomended now to young people, it costs about 20 grand but is a pocket pc. My issue with this is that again we are limited by sertain tasks. we can use calc, write, and do email and basic net stuff. But if we need more ie we are not or rather some of us that are not stupid ignorant people which I hope most are not. at least I hope so if they are intrested on games, well. I know frotz games are playable on there but nothing else not tads or hugo or even other games. the os is a windows ce system but its locked to the keynote apps. I concider this forcing people into having to use sertain software. Also this time its all braille and no screen so if something really goes wrong the sighted can't even do anything, not sure if you can put an external screen on there but still. Then there is the fact all the interfaces are blind friendly which is good but also bad as technical support can only go through blind things, no good if you have an issue with your isp and it turns out to be a part of your oh so nice blind equipment. THen the expence. I guess I grew up with freedom for the most part. I have jaws 6.20, hal 5.21 , nvda 2010.1, several games, and most software I want on the system. in addition any system i choose can have speech and all have nvda and hal on them. I would never have the freedom on the keynote. you can't install standard windows updates or anything. So I still think having a system thats standalone would be good. I think though if every blind person stopped using their windows reader and started using a superior mac then h. At 01:52 a.m. 8/08/2010, you wrote: Hi, That's unfortunately true. Here in the U.S. most organizations and government agencies only recognize Freedom Scientific's products in any official copacity. However, with free and open source solutions like NVDA out there one can choose to pass on Jaws and choose to use NVDA instead. If they want a good professional screen reader GW Micro has a payment plan for Window-Eyes that is quite affordable on a fixed income. I think all and all the days of Jaws are numbered. Sooner or later their customers will see Freedom Scientific for the crooks they are and walk away. There is no need to continue putting money in Freedom Scientific's pockets if they continue with their lawsuit crazy mentality. It just goes to prove what kind of people we are dealing with. Smile. On 8/7/10, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: well unfortunately there are those that are stuck with it. being that most organisations for jobs and stuff here seem to only recognise jaws I actually use it. though I actually like sapi support. if you can support nvda then thats also good since nvda has its own library. I have not seen many games with hal support or even no speech support and message boxes and such where the text is on screen for any reader. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
I think we also need to remember that nvda has an command line dll of espeak. I am not saying use espeak as some don't like it but if you had a synth which is internal then fgine I use espeak because its internal and nothing else. At 02:25 a.m. 8/08/2010, you wrote: Hi Charles, You are absolutely right from a business point of view. However, there are plenty of alternatives than supporting the screen readers directly. For example, Time of Conflict and Lone Wolf allow you to select SAPI, Jaws, or Window-Eyes. As far as I am concerned using SAPI 5 support is enough and doesn't show favoritism to any screen reader or screen reader manufacturer. It is more ideal anyway as you aren't trying to support every screen reader out there directly. I've actually been asked a few times if I would add Jaws support to my games. While I understand the nature of the requests I have made a polacy not to support any screen readers directly. First of all, it requires more work supporting each and every screen readers individual API directly. Second of all, I feel supporting Freedom Scientific's products goes against my principles. For one thing they have an unfair advantage over their competition because they are largely supported through businesses, government agencies, organizations, and so on that aren't willing to support GW Micro, Dolphin, etc as well. Then, Freedom Scientific shows the world what they are really like by dragging GW Micro, FBC, and anyone else they see as a threat into court. Over the past year or so it has been one lawsuit after another. I happen to know they have a tendancy to treat their customers with little regard or respect as well. For example, a friend of mine ordered a dongle from F.S. and when he got it he found out it was deffective. Instead of exchanging it or something reasonable they told him he had to order a new one at full price. That's down right criminal in my book. Why continue supporting a business, any business, if they are going to treat their customers like that? On 8/7/10, Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net wrote: If any game developer is going to provide screen reader support for their games, regardless of how they feel about the screen reader developing company's policies are, I feel that you have to support what your customers are using. Otherwise, you're cutting your own customer base. --- Shepherds are the best beasts! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hello, Aroga seens to sell products across Canada? We recently delbt with Aroga because I bought talkx for my nokia e71 phone. you could get. Like Clement, I have converted to Window-Eyes, and I find it a lot more custonaiseable. - Original Message - From: Constantine tcwoo...@shaw.ca To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific They seriously did that? This quite honestly does not surprise me. Window Bridge. Man, I used that with a doubletalk or decktalk synthisizer about 12 years ago. - Original Message - From: Travis Siegel tsie...@lothlorien.nfbcal.org To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Actually, if I wanted to, I could sue freedom scientific for several things. Since I now own the rights to the windows bridge code, I could sue for all kinds of things they swiped from wb (such as the capslock key as a modifier) as well as several inovations which were frist introduced by wb before they made it into jaws as a product. I'm not really interested in such nonsense, but I might write them a letter explaining my unhappiness with their current operating procedures, and see if they'd be willing to ... prevent a suit ... hmm, now there's a though. :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3056 - Release Date: 08/07/10 01:28:00 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi all. As many of you know FS has gone lawsuit crazy this past year. There was an unsettling case in which FS filed suit against the Foundation for blind children in Arizona, as sighted by BLindBargains.com. To see it, either Google Freedom Scientific Lawsuits or go to BlindBargains.com, look under the latest Bargains heading, and look for Lawsuit Round up. HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Hi Louis, Honestly I can't blame you. that's why I have not really been using or supporting Freedom Scientific products much over the past few years. One reason I will not, under any circomstances add Jaws support to my game engine, as I see no need to endorce or support a greedy and selfish company like Freedom Scientific. There are plenty of alternatives to Jaws such as Window-Eyes, NVDA, Hal, etc that there is no excuse to continue supporting or using Jaws. Far as I am concerned Freedom Scientific could go out of business tomorrow and I wouldn't shed a tear. Sorry to say, I have absolutely nothing but contempt for Freedom Scientific and its products. As you say they have gone lawsuit crazy and they have lost any respect I might have had for them in the past. Smile. On 8/6/10, Louis Bryant lo...@braillesoft.net wrote: Hi all. As many of you know FS has gone lawsuit crazy this past year. There was an unsettling case in which FS filed suit against the Foundation for blind children in Arizona, as sighted by BLindBargains.com. To see it, either Google Freedom Scientific Lawsuits or go to BlindBargains.com, look under the latest Bargains heading, and look for Lawsuit Round up. HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Again? What in the name of Bob do they think they're doing? I mean I hate Greedom Science Fiction but this is just a new low as far as I'm concerned. And it's stuff like that that has convinced me that if and when I start developing my own games (I'm making slow progress with BGT), and if I decide to add options into some of my games for screen reader support I would almost be tempted not to support JAWS. Of course I have a feeling it would be better just to use Sapi support if not go outright self-voicing. I mean if I supported one screen reader in my games I'd almost have to support the competition since there are those who are still going to be staunch users like I was until about three years ago. So I may not even bother with screen reader support in my games, especially since I really don't plan on making many games where that would really fit all that well. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Louis, Honestly I can't blame you. that's why I have not really been using or supporting Freedom Scientific products much over the past few years. One reason I will not, under any circomstances add Jaws support to my game engine, as I see no need to endorce or support a greedy and selfish company like Freedom Scientific. There are plenty of alternatives to Jaws such as Window-Eyes, NVDA, Hal, etc that there is no excuse to continue supporting or using Jaws. Far as I am concerned Freedom Scientific could go out of business tomorrow and I wouldn't shed a tear. Sorry to say, I have absolutely nothing but contempt for Freedom Scientific and its products. As you say they have gone lawsuit crazy and they have lost any respect I might have had for them in the past. Smile. On 8/6/10, Louis Bryant lo...@braillesoft.net wrote: Hi all. As many of you know FS has gone lawsuit crazy this past year. There was an unsettling case in which FS filed suit against the Foundation for blind children in Arizona, as sighted by BLindBargains.com. To see it, either Google Freedom Scientific Lawsuits or go to BlindBargains.com, look under the latest Bargains heading, and look for Lawsuit Round up. HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific
Most new products are supporting NVDA nowadays. Anyway this is getting out of topic I think, so I'll stop. On 8/7/10, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Again? What in the name of Bob do they think they're doing? I mean I hate Greedom Science Fiction but this is just a new low as far as I'm concerned. And it's stuff like that that has convinced me that if and when I start developing my own games (I'm making slow progress with BGT), and if I decide to add options into some of my games for screen reader support I would almost be tempted not to support JAWS. Of course I have a feeling it would be better just to use Sapi support if not go outright self-voicing. I mean if I supported one screen reader in my games I'd almost have to support the competition since there are those who are still going to be staunch users like I was until about three years ago. So I may not even bother with screen reader support in my games, especially since I really don't plan on making many games where that would really fit all that well. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BrailleSoft No Longer Supports Freedom Scientific Hi Louis, Honestly I can't blame you. that's why I have not really been using or supporting Freedom Scientific products much over the past few years. One reason I will not, under any circomstances add Jaws support to my game engine, as I see no need to endorce or support a greedy and selfish company like Freedom Scientific. There are plenty of alternatives to Jaws such as Window-Eyes, NVDA, Hal, etc that there is no excuse to continue supporting or using Jaws. Far as I am concerned Freedom Scientific could go out of business tomorrow and I wouldn't shed a tear. Sorry to say, I have absolutely nothing but contempt for Freedom Scientific and its products. As you say they have gone lawsuit crazy and they have lost any respect I might have had for them in the past. Smile. On 8/6/10, Louis Bryant lo...@braillesoft.net wrote: Hi all. As many of you know FS has gone lawsuit crazy this past year. There was an unsettling case in which FS filed suit against the Foundation for blind children in Arizona, as sighted by BLindBargains.com. To see it, either Google Freedom Scientific Lawsuits or go to BlindBargains.com, look under the latest Bargains heading, and look for Lawsuit Round up. HTH. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
