Re: [Gimp-user] Changing the color of a PNG image
Hi Matt! Did you select an area of the image or the whole image before you applied the color map rotation function? I've selected the whole image... Does it do any difference? Anyway, the preview doesn't display any change while I'm playing with the color sectors or the grey levels... :-( Thanks for your helo, Cordialement / Best regards, Jean-Luc GARNIER ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.2 and Wacom Graphire3
Le 14.01.2005 21:40:34, Marco a écrit : Hello, firstly, I got really impressed by the way this stuff has been recognised... without editing ANYTHING the tablet could work... and I could even do some drawings... The default is to have your mouse / stylus / eraser acting like a mouse. There is the linuxwacom project that allows the correct working of the wacom tablet replacing some modules in the kernel and in the xfree tree (I suppose you are using linux). This project is hosted at sourceforge : http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/ the problem is: there is none of the 512 (i think) pressure levels active. i don't know how this can be fixed, and I don't even know either if it is actually a GIMP problem or not [please don't kill me]... I've a graphire 2 and I've the full functionnalities only after using the modules from this project as I have found nothing helpful over the net, can you suggest me some solutions? gr33ts :m8c: Regards Jean-Luc pgpw1eCBiWBWO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-user] What is really used in CMYK ?
Le 19.07.2004 19:13:19, Carol Spears a écrit : « On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 09:12:54AM +0200, cedric wrote: « « LittleCMS is very good, but is written with Qt. I guess it will « hardly « be available on Windows. « « iirc, lcms was written on Windows. At least there are Debian packages for it. -- - Jean-Luc « « carol « signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-user] language set up
Le 05.07.2004 20:06:27, will a écrit : « Hello! « I just downloaded the gimp, but I can't choose the « language...what shall I do? With linux ? Windows ? Which language do you want ? If linux, what does the locale comamnd say ? --- Regards -Jean-Luc « Thanks « « William « signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2 doesn't see my xsane scanner anymore!
Le 01.07.2004 14:27:21, Laurence Orchard a écrit : On Wed, 2004-06-30 at 22:11, Jean-Luc Coulon wrote: On Wed, Jun 30, 2004 at 09:56:44PM +0100, Laurence Orchard wrote: Hi I have installed Gimp 2 onto my FC1 system along side a 1.2 1.3. The I have a USB HP OfficeJet 6110 that has a built in scanner. This scanner is found and recognised by version 1.2, but not by version 1.3 or Gimp 2. OK ! i have downloaded, compiled installed 0.94. It will run stand alone, but not as a plugin. xsane-gimp doesn't exist anymore, not even in /usr/local/bin the ? new? default dir. If you have xsane installed in /usr prefix you shoud have a /usr/bin/ xsane executable for it (which xsane will tell you where it is located). Go to your .gimp-2.0/plug-ins directory (in your home directory) and add a symlink to the xsane binary : cd .gnome(2.0/plug-ins ln s /usr/bin/xsane This will give the following symlink: xsane - /usr/bin/xsane For a general usage on your machine you can make the symlink in /usr/lib/gimp/2.0/plug-ins --- Regards - Jean-Luc You have to use the latest version of xsane. 0.94 is the latest one. -- - Jean-Luc Question: How do I get Gimp 2 to see it? Laurence pgpBXshvNV8i2.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-user] Terrible time to get 2.01 running
Le 07.06.2004 22:49:39, Robert Krueger a écrit : Michael Schumacher wrote: Carol Spears wrote: On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 03:30:09PM -0400, Robert Krueger wrote: I have the feeling that if I just eliminate the files for glib 2.3.6 or the text that pkg-config found, that it would configure without complaint. I don't know how to find and eliminate this text or files, though. well, that is the thing about linux. you are still trying to work with the distribution. distributions break. Doesn't Suse have a tool used for package management (yast2, iirc)? Maybe removing and/or upgrading glib with this toll can help? HTH, Michael Already did that. That's why I have 2.2.3 on the system. Robert I suppose you have a -dev package related to glib, something like libglib-dev_something, do you have it installed with the same version as the glib package itself ? -- regards - Jean-Luc pgprMVVNBMcDv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-user] GLIB 2.4.1 install help. . .
Le 04.06.2004 16:21:06, Carol Spears a écrit : On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 04:10:28PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and building a working gtk2 for debian sid was better than getting it from them, at the moment. including tricking it with a local build of glib. debian sid has a perfectly working gtk+-2.4.1 which is also supposed to enter debian testing tomorrow. maybe on your big boffo computer but not here. Dunno what is the meaning of buffo, but gtk-+-2.4.1 from Debian sid is working perfectly on my K6-2 500. I've also built glib / gtk from source with the help of the garnome package which can be an alternative for those who want the sources from the source [tm]. -- Regards - Jean-Luc carol pgpTqnnJhxr4J.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.1.0 Development Release
Le 03.06.2004 14:27:08, Sven Neumann a écrit : Hi, it's about seven weeks since we branched the CVS tree and there is now a first development snapshot of GIMP 2.1 available from ftp.gimp.org and it's mirrors: http://gimp.org/downloads/#mirrors This is an unstable development release. It certainly has bugs and there are a number of unfinished hacks. We are nevertheless interested in your feedback and would like you to file bug reports for crashes and non-obvious problems. [ ... ] I've built the cvs several time, just to see if I have everything needed on my system. After the incoming of gtk-2.4 on Debian sid, everything went fine... about compilation and run. I've anyway a couple of question : 1 - localization : I've not found the way the localization is done (if done) with the new xml menu structure. 2 - gtk-2.4 file chooser : I've not found the way to enter a filename from the keyboard but only a graphical, mouse friendly menu. Is there a way to select a file in a classical way ? With the previous versions, it was easy, even the gtk+ completion was fine. -- Regards - Jean-Luc pgpFC0fBE54Cj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-user] Question about Exif browser plug-in
Le 23.05.2004 20:57:24, Tom Williams a écrit : Hi! I was installing various Gimp 2.0 plugins on Linux this morning and installed the Exif browser so I could check it out: http://registry.gimp.org/plugin?id=4153 I can't seem to find any information on how to actually invoke the plugin to see the Exif data and I was wondering if anyone knew how to do this. :) The doc that comes with the plugin discusses many things EXCEPT how to actually run the plugin. :) Load the picture then from the Image window: Filters - generic - exif browser -- Regards - Jean-Luc Thanks! Peace... Tom ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user pgpP2k74zRSzJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-user] Xsane again.
Le 07.05.2004 04:39:38, John Culleton a écrit : On Thursday 06 May 2004 06:51 am, Jean-Luc wrote: The latest version of xsane (0.93) has the gimp-2.0 support -- - jean-Luc I dwonloaded, unpacked, configured and ran make. Got this error message: /usr/lib/libgimp.so: undefined reference to `PLUG_IN_INFO' It depends how you have built gimp. Where did you built gimp-2.0? On my system, the correct library is /usr/lib/libgimp-2.0 ... Maybe you have to add a LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable to tell which lib is to be used (xsane 0.92 was built against gimp1.2 libraries). -- - Jean-Luc collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[1]: *** [xsane] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/xsane-0.93/src' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 Hints? (xsane 0.92 compiled OK) -- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-user] Xsane again.
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 12:42:05AM -0400, John Dietsch wrote: John, I don't know your precise setup but i am using my Epson scanner with Gimp 2 Xsane. I submitted my setup and method yesterday with details. Gimp 2 Epson scanners. If you missed it, I'll send it to you direct. John Dietsch On Wed, 5 May 2004, John Culleton wrote: I went to the Xsane site, attempted to apply the Gimp 2.x patch, and moved Xsane to a directory where Gimp 2.0 can find it. However Gimp still gives me a message that Xsane does not have Gimp support compiled in. Now if the rest of the world has had success with this patch I will try the cycle all over again. But my instinct is that I should wait until the Xsane guy gets around to applying the patch to the CVS files or whatever so I don't have to fool with it. Patches are not my best friend. So--- anyone having success with incorporating Xsane into Gimp 2.x as a plugin? Sven wrote one of the patches so he is probably a success story. Anyone else? The latest version of xsane (0.93) has the gimp-2.0 support -- - jean-Luc signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Gimp-user] picture orientation
On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 04:50:03PM -0500, Timothy E. Jedlicka - wrk wrote: As mentioned, the exif header info in the jpg is telling kuickshow how to rotate the image. After editing in Gimp, you can use jpegtran to change the exif info (to not rotate). jpegtran -rotate 90 file.jpg newfile.jpg There is also the jhead utilisty to manipulate the exif data. jhead -norot filename clears the rotating fild in the exif header. this is a lossless conversion, only effecting the exif header. - Timothy Jedlicka, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 1-630-713-4436, AOL-IM=bonzowork Network Entomologist, Lucent Technologies, Testers For Hire ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user -- --- __ _ Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) / __ \ ___ / /_ (_) _ 28 rue d'Evette / / / // _ \ / __ \ / // __ `// __ \ 90350 Evette-Salbert / /_/ // __// /_/ // // /_/ // / / / France/_/ \___//_.___//_/ \__,_//_/ /_/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Gimp-user] cant win, or break even and what are the rules anyway.
Le 02.05.2004 13:05:15, david a écrit : Hi all [ ... ] checking for libgtkhtml-2.0 = 2.0.0... Package libgtkhtml-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libgtkhtml-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'libgtkhtml-2.0' found configure: WARNING: *** Help browser plug-in will not be built (GtkHtml2 not found) *** checking for librsvg-2.0 = 2.2.0... Package librsvg-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `librsvg-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'librsvg-2.0' found [ ... ] There is a problem though. The packages are present. I have added / usr/lib to the ld.so.conf file and ldconfiged. Still no luck. The packages are present .. Bau di you have the *developement* packages installed too? (probably something like name-dev depending of your distribution). -- - Jean-Luc Why is this happening? Cheers and kind regards in advance. David ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-user] Upgrading to v2 with apt or yum...
Le 02.05.2004 14:07:49, Brad a écrit : I would like to upgrade to gimp v2 from v1.25. Does anyone know of an apt or yum repository that has all the files to complete the upgrade? If you have a dian system (as you are asking for apt). The unstable version of Debian (sid) has gimp 2.0.1-1 -- Regards - Jean-Luc Regards, Brad pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[Gimp-user] Thumbnails creation and progress bar windows
Hi, In the File - open menu, if I select many files to build the thumbnails, it takes some (...) time. So, I switch to an other desktop (I use gnome/metacity), leaving the process to complete in the (my) background. But there is one popup, which displays the progress bar, for each thumbnail created. This popup is created in the current desktop and not in the one The Gimp was launched. Is there a mean to disable the progress status window or to keep it on the original desktop ? -- Regards - Jean-Luc pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[Gimp-user] Is there a mean to display exif data from within the Gimp
Hi, I would like to dispaly exif data from pictures I've got with a digital camera. I've not found if there is this feature implemented in The Gimp (if no, it would be nice). Sorry if the question has already been posted, I've tried to search the archives but got an error message. ht://Dig error htsearch detected an error. Please report this to the webmaster of this site. The error message is: Unable to read configuration file (I've reported this error) -- Regards - Jean-Luc pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-user] Future GIMP plans
Le 05.04.2004 16:00, Patrick Shanahan a écrit : * peter kupec [EMAIL PROTECTED] [04-05-04 07:24]: Am Sonntag, 28. März 2004 18:57 schrieb Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh): If you speak of raw data from digital camera. There is dcraw. There is a plugin for it called rawphoto. As The Gimp can only manage 8 bits per channel, you willnot get more. But as dcraw is able of more (48 bits with the -4 option) it is bits ready ! I am interested in the 2 plug-ins mentioned above, but in the plug- in registry I could not find any; where should I look for? It, rawphoto, must be installed and dcraw is not a plug-in. It is a stand-alone executable. In fact, the plug-in is rawphoto but it needs dcraw in your path. rawphoto presents you a dialog to choose various parameters (white balance, gamma, ...) to dcraw then call dcraw. -- - Jean-Luc google.com/linux is your friend look at www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-user] rotate a pic
Le 05.04.2004 22:02, Gracia M. Littauer a écrit : I want to rotate a pic about 20 degrees. I can easily do this in PhotoShop...but of course I end up with a larger pic the white triangles that square off the pic. How do I rotate pic in gimp end up without the pic cut off. Resize the cancas before rotating the picture. -- Regards - Jean-Luc -- Gracia...living in Cooleemee, NC ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re : [Gimp-user] Wacom intuos2
Le 04.04.2004 17:35, Khiraly a écrit : Hi! I have buyed a Wacom intuos2 tablet. Where can I found any documentation for using with gimp? Im interesting on pressure sensitive(0-1024), and the tilt. Thanks in advance! I've a Graphire2, basically, it is the same behaviour, even if I've not the tilt ;-) Go to File - Preferences - Input Devices Click Configure Extended input Devices You have a list with Stylus / Eraser / Pointer and you can choose for each of them Disabled, Screen or Window (I suggest Screen) Then you can choose the Axes... The default values should be fine. With my Graphire, I've the pressure working. -- Regards - Jean-Luc (At presence it work just like a mouse pointer.) Cheers, Khiraly pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re : [Gimp-user] Re: Re: Re: Monitor for Gimp
Le 31.03.2004 22:29, John Culleton a écrit : On Wednesday 31 March 2004 01:34 pm, GSR - FR wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2004-03-31 at 2011.13 +0200): [.. destructive compression ..] I am busy window shopping on Ebay etc. If the monitor has an adjustment for color temperature is that the equivalent of adjustable gamma? Or are they different parameters? No, it is an other thing. There are 4 important parameters: - white point and black point, both are adjusted with brightness and contrast settings - colour temperature: a tungstene light has a colour temperature of about 3200K, a flash lamp gives you a colour temperature of about 5500K, sunny daylight is about 6500K. With high colour temperatures, the colour cast is blueish, with low colout temperature, it is redish. Normal office work dispaly uses color temperature as high as 9300K. For photography, 6500K is better. - gamma : this is the non linear function transfer of the brightness given by the display as a function of the pixel value. -- - Jean-Luc -- John Culleton pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re : [Gimp-user] Re: Monitor for Gimp
Le 29.03.2004 16:27, Sven Neumann a écrit : Hi, do you consider global gamma adjustment useful at all? It means that everything on your screen, inlcuding the GUI and also the content displayed in your web-browser, image viewer, PDF viewer ... is gamma-corrected. IMO this is questionable since most software assumes an uncorrected display. Shouldn't gamma correction take place at the application level instead so that it is only applied to images that specify a gamma correction? The best solution would be to have the whole desktop managed. But, as most of the applications are not aware of the gamma you setup in Xfree, I my opinion, the best is to do the correction at the application level (as does scribus for instance). Please excuse my ignorance, I am trying to understand what's really needed for professional image manipulation and so far I understood that global gamma correction is not desirable. In the case of professional use, most of the image processing stations will have a dual-head system. One display, calibrated (profiled) to display the picture you are working on (mostly a CRT or a dedicated plasma type, only few -- expensive -- TFT are able of a right contrast/ gamma/colour handling) and a second one for the palettes, tools and so (and other applications like web browser). This one is mostly a relatively cheap TFT. -- - Jean-Luc Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re : Re : [Gimp-user] Re: Monitor for Gimp
Le 30.03.2004 16:26, Sven Neumann a écrit : Hi, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The best solution would be to have the whole desktop managed. But, as most of the applications are not aware of the gamma you setup in Xfree, I my opinion, the best is to do the correction at the application level (as does scribus for instance). Huh? If you set your gamma correction on the X server than everything on your screen is gamma corrected, completely transparent to the application. What do you mean by an application being aware of the gamma you setup in Xfree ? If you setup a gamma of say 2.2 in Xfree, you will get most of the appllications wrongly displayed as they are not designed to support this setting. -- - Jean-Luc Sven pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re : [Gimp-user] Monitor for Gimp
Le 29.03.2004 01:46, John Culleton a écrit : On Sunday 28 March 2004 04:15 pm, Jean-Luc wrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 02:38:12PM -0500, John Culleton wrote: The best is to adjust the gamma within the Xfree software. There is an application called kgamma and a plugin for gkrellm to do such an adjustement. KGamma for some reason was not included on my LInux Slackware 9.1 system so I downloaded the Kgraphics 3.2 package and am compiling it as I write this. I had no luck with LProf and sent an inquiry to the authors. Whenever I tried to load a file it just quit suddenly with no error message. Is Gamma adjustable on monitors less than $1,000 US? In fact, you don't adjust the gamma of the monitor, you tune the window manager, the whole xfree or the application to match the gamma of your monitor. The gamma of the monitor is the transfer function of the electron beams of your monitor. It describes the non-linear relation between the pixel values and the monitor luminance. Luminance = (pixelvalue/255)^^gamma As an example, you will find attached what is such a transfer function for several value of gamma. General, the commonly admited value of gamma for PC is 2.2, the value for a MAC is 1.8 and a liear transfer function will gives 1. There is also an other setting you have to take care of: it is the colour temperature of your display. There is for most the display the choice of different colour temperature. The default value is 9500K which gives very cold colours (too much blue). This is perfect for office work. For digital photo processing a colour temperature of 6500K if available is more suitable. -- John Culleton -- Regards - Jean-Lucattachment: gamma.png pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re : Re?: [Gimp-user] [jean-luc.coulon@wanadoo.fr: Re?: Gimp and prepress functions [long]]
Le 28.03.2004 18:07, Carol Spears a écrit : On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 02:39:03PM +0200, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) wrote: Hi Carol, Le 27.03.2004 18:59, Carol Spears a ?crit?: hi, thanks for the detailed description. the developers might be leaving this out so that computer jobs could be had by people local to the print savvy people who need this stuff. i had a vision where people quit sending money to one or two places in the world and sent it locally. I'm a bit confused: how is the money involved in this topic? if you were to open a print shop or a photo print shop -- you would send all of your money to probably Windows and Adobe. with TheGIMP, you could actually hire a local programmer and keep all that cash local. Huh? This seems to be a bit esoteric Once again what money has to do with colour management ? Do you mean it is *needed* to get Microsoft and Adobe softwares (and to pay or them) to get an colour managed system? who knows what the people who live and work in Redmond do with their money -- the locals maybe would spend some of this same money where ever they live. which would be where the print facility is and probably where you (the owner) lives. silly simple flow concepts -- probably things are more complicated than this, but probably not by much. What people who live and work in Redmond (BTW what is Redmond?) has to do with the imp and colur management? Silly is the word. carol pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re : [Gimp-user] Future GIMP plans
Le 28.03.2004 18:34, Alexander Rabtchevich a écrit : I've read the discussion in GIMP-developers list on the plans for GIMP future versions and their timeframe. So I can just add the impression from reading the discussion on the new 2.0 version in Russian Linux forum. The main problem of The GIMP 2.0 from the users POW is, it is more powerful than regular users need and still don't have features the professional needs. These features are: more than 8 bits per channel and color management. So as for me I'd like to see RAW support (I mean without downsampling) and 16 bits per channel first of all :) . If you speak of raw data from digital camera. There is dcraw. There is a plugin for it called rawphoto. As The Gimp can only manage 8 bits per channel, you willnot get more. But as dcraw is able of more (48 bits with the -4 option) it is bits ready ! -- - Jean-Luc pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-user] Monitor for Gimp
On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 02:38:12PM -0500, John Culleton wrote: I find that my current monitor (Orion 17 inch OC-17DB0725) has adjustments for brightness and contrast but none for gamma. The venerable Gimp User Manual (GUM) offers instructions for making at least a crude Gamma adjustment. But my monitor has no such adjustment. and when I load the file recommended by the GUM I find that my monitor is at the high end of the scale for gamma. The best is to adjust the gamma within the Xfree software. There is an application called kgamma and a plugin for gkrellm to do such an adjustement. You can alsao use lprof to create a profile for your monitor. lprof allows you to have a separate gamma for each of the RGB channels. Then you can use this profile with the 'color proof' filter within the Gimp. Is there a monitor at a reasonable cost, a few hundreds of dollars, that allows for adjustment of gamma? Bearing in mind the limitations of Gimp in the color management area, what is suggested? I just want to get things close enough that what I send to the printer will bear some relationship to what I see on the screen in Gimp, allowing for (of course) the conversion to CMYK at some point. -- John Culleton Able Typesetters and Indexers http://wexfordpress.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user -- Regards - Jean-Luc ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] [jean-luc.coulon@wanadoo.fr: Re: Gimp and prepress functions [long]]
- Forwarded message from Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Hi, I forward this message to the user list as the thread begun there. I have done a replied to the message I got from Carol addressed to me a cc to the web list. Please Carol, don't do cross-threading [tm], we become a bit confused following threads with such pratices. --- Regards - Jean-Luc From: Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: GIMPWeb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re : Gimp and prepress functions [long] Le 23.03.2004 22:57, Carol Spears a écrit : On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 10:29:41PM +0100, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) wrote: [...] i wonder how one compensates for the external lighting on the monitor? The monitor has to be calibrated in the lighting conditions you will use it. It is the same for checking the prints. I calibrate the monitor for 6500K Colour Temperature and when I need to be very precise in some checking I use an external liggting which color temperature is known (it does not *need* to match perfectly the one of the display, I use blue incandescent bulbs which colour temperature is about 5000K). i had a chat with a manager of a print shop; he told me that he went to an all day conference where he learned that the best way to convert from one set of colors to another was to let the machine doing the printing make the conversion. If you left the machine to do the job, you are never sure of wht you will get. Everything is averaged. i.e. if you have a photo with lot of green (forest, grasses), you will get a colour shift to magenta of otherwise neutral parts. i had a friend who went ahead and bought the full Photoshop (7) for the print conversion goodness found within, only to have the printer scold her for not using their software. she paid for their proper conversion. i will read this article, but even i can see that during the day, my images look vastly different than they do at night on my computer display. If you work in the dark, then you have to calibrate your monitor in such conditions. perhaps it is in your best interests to purchase a devise that will change the monitor coloring moment by moment. even a change of the angle of the monitor (physically move your monitor right now and see what i mean) will make the colors look very different -- without changing the file whatsoever. LCD (TFT) monitors have their gamma which change drasticly when you change the angle of view. (but some very few expensive ones). CRT are still better on this point of view. Anyway, a display doesnt have steady characteristics and has to be calibrated time to time. Only few display has a feeback control for thee electron beam (some Barco made). But they are *really* expensive... But sometimes *needed* depending the work you have to do. Fine arts professional *do* need a calibrated process. if it is an issue of not using some rgb values then i think that the color dialog will do this. There are several things: what the data are and how they are displayed and/or printed. An uncalibrated monitor will display a wrong colour while the RVB data are correct due to its own rendering transfer function. Applying the icc profile (hte one from the manufacturer or created by yourself with a spetrocolorimeter or at least with a tool like lprof under linux which allows you to setu the gamma) will allow the display to render the right colour. The data in the file are not changed. If you need an other colour space. Then the data has to be changed and the colour space data has to be embedded in the picture file. sRGB colour space has the minimum_average_commun gammut of most the devices. It has been created (mostly by Microsoft) to avoid embedding colourspace. sRGB is standard in Windows (so-called) operating systems. if it is an issue of how the file appears i dont know that you can accomplish this. and i use a desktop -- what about people using laptops? they were made for mobility and portability (i think). how many color profiles would it take to make up for the ambient lighting moment by moment if you can use your computer just about anywhere in this whole big world of ours. You cannot use a laptop for *photography* processing. You can do graphic creation. You can do special effects. You can do web creation. But for photography, you *need* a calibrated monitor or you will be blind working. i really hope that there is more to this need than this explanation. can you all tilt your monitors right now to see what i am saying? carol -- Best regards - Jean-Luc - End forwarded message - -- --- __ _ Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) / __ \ ___ / /_ (_) _ 28 rue d'Evette
Re : [Gimp-user] How to install help system for 2.0
Le 27.03.2004 18:09, Elaine Normandy a écrit : Without difficulty, I downloaded the Fedora rpm and am now happily playing with Gimp 2.0. Nice work, everyone! However, when I attempted to download the tarball and do the ./ configure, I get the following message: checking for gimp-2.0... Package gimp-2.0 was not found in the pkg- config search path. Don't you have some -dev package ? Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gimp-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'gimp-2.0' found I couldn't find the gimp-2.0.pc file anywhere using locate. Suggestions? -- - Jean-Luc pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re : Re : [Gimp-user] Gimp and prepress functions
Le 24.03.2004 14:28, Sven Neumann a écrit : Hi, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GIMP 2.0 comes with a color proof display filter that uses ICC color profiles to simulate a proof on your monitor. Support for such filters is new in 2.0 and for the future it is planned to integrate display filter modules better into the workflow. I've used the colour proof display filter with profiles I built with an eye one spectrophotometer from GretagMacbeth. This allows be at least to have the right colours on the screen while the photos I get from my digital slr camera. This is one step in the right direction. But only the display is affected: the output is left unmodified. There's also things going into that direction. There are two enhanced TIFF plug-ins that work with color profiles and we will look to get this functionality included in the GIMP distribution. For the more long-term future, support for other colorspaces than RGB and for more color-depth than 8bit/channel is planned and is actually already being worked on. Sven That is good news. - As my camera support 12bits depth there will be more dynamic range to do the post-processing (together with dcraw from Dave Coffin). - When I ask for prints to colormailer pro service they ask to have the colour space embedded in the file otherwise the pictures are interpreted by the lab and there is some colour shift. -- Regards - Jean-Luc pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re : [Gimp-user] menu font
Le 23.03.2004 18:52, peter kupec a écrit : Hi, I use gimp2.0pre3 with debian/sid; the menu-font is too small but I cannot find any knob to enlarge it. Can I get any hint? Thanks Peter Peter, Maybe you have choosen the small theme in Preferences - Interface ? -- Regards - Jean-Luc pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re : [Gimp-user] Re: Gimp and prepress functions
Hi, Colormanagement is something needed if you want to process digital photography. You need along the whole process to know in which colour space you are working and to work with calibrated devices. Without a proper colormanagement, your photos on the screen will never have the same colours you see when you get them, and the prints you will get (with your inkjet printer, a minilab or any process) will never have the same colours you have seen (and adjusted) with the picture processing tool. You can read some basics about colormanagement in the following paper: http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/c9fe.htm -- Regards - Jean-Luc Le 23.03.2004 20:26, Carol Spears a écrit : On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 01:36:49PM -0500, John Culleton wrote: I recognize that Gimp is web-centric, and that enhanced prepress capabilities are somewhere in the future. However some of us do use Gimp for images ending up on the printed page. And critics of Gimp and Open Source software in general jump on prepress issues as a point of criticism. In addition to CMYK the issue of ICC color profiles has been raised. Photoshop offers several profiles for e.g., coated paper, uncoated paper and so on. It is clumsy to develop in Gimp, and then transfer to Photoshop just for profiling. What are the prospects of doing something in this area? Is any of it on the agenda? i am not certain what all color profiling needs. i have been following lcms mail list and still do not understand it. i have been able to use gimp and templates to make web pages and i have planned to make LaTeX pages, however my time seems to be almost up. carol.gimp.org is down right now -- for whatever reason, but i put a screenshot of a color dialog that has appeared in the new gimp. i am not certain if it meets your needs, but i would be curious to know how it fails to. http://www.gimp.org/~carol/files/colorselector.png the way to get this dialog in your gimp would be via the dialogs menu; it is called Colors. as you can see from my screenshot, it is dockable. truthfully, if you can print an html template you can easily print a LaTeX document. if you would be interested in seeing my scripts (python) send me a note and i will provide them for you. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re : [Gimp-user] Gimp and prepress functions
Le 24.03.2004 01:59, Sven Neumann a écrit : Hi, John Culleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In addition to CMYK the issue of ICC color profiles has been raised. Photoshop offers several profiles for e.g., coated paper, uncoated paper and so on. It is clumsy to develop in Gimp, and then transfer to Photoshop just for profiling. What are the prospects of doing something in this area? Is any of it on the agenda? GIMP 2.0 comes with a color proof display filter that uses ICC color profiles to simulate a proof on your monitor. Support for such filters is new in 2.0 and for the future it is planned to integrate display filter modules better into the workflow. I've used the colour proof display filter with profiles I built with an eye one spectrophotometer from GretagMacbeth. This allows be at least to have the right colours on the screen while the photos I get from my digital slr camera. This is one step in the right direction. But only the display is affected: the output is left unmodified. There is also the need (with digital photography in mind and this is a growing usage of tools like The Gimp) to work in a given colour space (i.e. sRGB or Adobe RBG 1998) and the used colour space should be included in the final picture ready to prints: most of the labs need this information so that you get the picture unmodified. Without the colour space information, most of the time, the colours are shifted and your work is ruined. Sven pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[Gimp-user] Menus *over* the picture
Hi, I build almost everyday the cvs for gimp-2.0. Sometimes ago, I've remarked that the menus were always on top. Moving the picture I was working on was moving it *under* the opened menus. Sometimes later, I remarked (I was happy of that) that the focus raised the picture. I've just compiled the 20040322 version on the cvs and I remarked that this feature is here again. So I have several questions: - Is it a feature or is it a bug (generally the question is the opposite, I think) ;-) ? - If it is a feature (some exchanges I have had in the past seems that it *was* a feature, I hopped this feature was dropped...) is there a mean to disable it ? I've been fooling in the preferences menu and I've not found where it is hidden. -- Regards - Jean-Luc pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re : [Gimp-user] Menus *over* the picture
Le 22.03.2004 22:48, Sven Neumann a écrit : Hi, Bryce Benton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wonder if this person is voicing a issue that I also have. When I am working on an image and I want to modify the hue/saturation, the first thing I always do is move the dialog box so that it is not covering the image. Perhaps it would be an improvement if there were a way for the GIMP to remember the location of the last dialog box and then open subsequent dialog boxes there. That way, I'd only have to move the dialog box the first time. It does that already. Unfortunately a lot of window managers decided to completely ignore this setting and center the dialog instead. We have since removed the transient relationship from the tool dialog to the image window and this problem is gone. Sven It is not what I complain against. When I say menu, I mean the main dialog window and all the other dialog boxes/windows opened. It is right for the popup. But if I've i.e. a layer window opened and I move the picture I'm working on, it is not moving *over* this dialog but *under* it. It was not the behaviour 2 dyas ago. -- Regards - Jean-Luc pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re : Re : [Gimp-user] Menus *over* the picture
Le 22.03.2004 23:12, Simon Budig a écrit : Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: When I say menu, I mean the main dialog window and all the other dialog boxes/windows opened. It is right for the popup. But if I've i.e. a layer window opened and I move the picture I'm working on, it is not moving *over* this dialog but *under* it. It was not the behaviour 2 dyas ago. Please test the setting of Window Type Hints under the Window Management page in the preferences. Depending on the window manager you use it might be more useful to choose the Normal Window hint for the Toolbox and the Docks. Hope this helps, Simon Simon, Fine! Many thanks! It should be set to normal windows instead of utility window. At least with my system: gnome/metacity. Thanks again -- - Jean-Luc pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[Gimp-user] Re :[Gimp-developer] Get ready for 2.0.0
Le 22.03.2004 19:00, Henrik Brix Andersen a écrit : Hi, On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 18:30, Sven Neumann wrote: If you cannot join one of these parties, why don't you organize your own and Bring out The GIMP with some friends? Please add your party to the list at http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/ReleaseParty. It would be nice if more people would add the adresses of the computer/photo magazines of their respective countries to http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/MagazineAddresses as well. These lists will be used when we send out the press release for GIMP 2.0. Sincerely, Brix -- You can add some French Photo magazines, each of them has papers on digital photography: Chasseur d'Images: -- web: http://www.photim.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chasseur d'Images La Petite Motte 86100 - Senilé PhotoFan (same company as Chasseur d'Images): --- email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Editions Jibena BP 100 86101 - Châtellerault Cedex Réponses Photo: --- Réponses Photo 41-43 rue du Colonel Pierre Avia 75754 Paris Cedex 15 Le Photographe (same company as Réponses Photos): --- email: bernard.perrine0emapfrance.com Le Photographe 43 rue du Colonel Pierre Avia 75745 Paris Cedex 15 --- Regards - Jean-Luc pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Fwd : Re : [Gimp-user[jean-luc.coulon@wanadoo.fr]
Le 20.03.2004 17:04, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) a écrit : Le 19.03.2004 21:36, Sven Neumann a écrit : Hi, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I display the histogram with gimp-2.0-pre, I got about nothing for many pictures when in linear mode. For these pictures, you will want to use logarithmic mode. Linear works very well for photographic images but can be pretty much useless for other images. But then, the histogram tool is mainly used with photographic images, so it makes sense to have linear scale as the default. These are pictures from a digital SLR camera. I'm using the histogram together with the levels and curves colour-tools. Ok, I will use the log scale. I have just notice it looks far different from the one in 1.2. -- - Jean-Luc Sven pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re : [Gimp-user] xsane Gimp 2.0pre1
Le 20.02.2004 15:04, John Culleton a écrit : On Friday 16 January 2004 02:34 pm, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, Kristian Niemi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Xsane doesn't appear to work with the devel. release of Gimp? I got it to work after about putting about ten minutes into it. The XSane maintainer promised to update the package for gimp-2.0. Sven 1. What release of Xsane did you use? 2. Can you describe briefly the ten minutes of work? -- John Culleton I asked Oliver, the developper of Xsane, to know if there is some plan to port the xsane plugin to gimp-2.0. He replied me that threre is a patch created by other people. He said he has not tested it but nevertheless he sent it to me. This patch applied to xsane-0.92. So it seems that there is nothing official yet. I don't know who write the patch, here is the first line of this patch : --- /home/julien/debian/pkg-build/SANE/xsane/GIMP/xsane-0.92/acinclude. m4 -- Regards - Jean-Luc pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re : [Gimp-user] color and grey-scale.
Le 15.02.2004 17:52, Adam Gautier a écrit : I have a newbie question; so please be forgiving with my terminology. I want to take a color image and make it one color. Basically, any color red, yellow, ... would be made say, blue. Any transparent or white pixels are transparent. I tried converting to grey-scale as a first step. Now, I don't know how to get the blue color into the image. I tried selecting sections by color and replacing but that looked horible. Is it possible to not just end up with a matte, all blue image, when I am done. It would be great if when converting to one color the different colors were preserved (red converts to blue and yellow gets converted to a lighter blue). I hope this makes sense. I am looking for a script ore something that could automate this process. Any suggedtions would be great. Again, I am a newbie so please make any responses easy to follow. Thank-you in advance. Maybe you can have a try to : right clic - Tools - Color TOols - Colorize And there you can choose the hue / saturation / brightness -- Regards - Jean-Luc pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re : [Gimp-user] Digital cameras RAW images
Le 19.01.2004 14:32, Dave Neary a écrit : Hi, Alexander Rabtchevich wrote: Can GIMP handle raw images from digital camera (without downsizing to 8 bits per channel) as Photoshop can? No. For the moment, the GIMP is limited to 8 bits per channel. Dave. Hi, Does « for the moment » means there are some plan to change this in rhe (near) future ? ;-) -- Regards - Jean-Luc pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[Gimp-user] How to export only one channel in grey levels ?
Hi, I've shooted some infra-red pictures with my digital camera. I would like to isolate the red channel and transform it to a black and white picture, discarding the green and blue channels. How to do that ? If I select only the red and change the mode to grey levels, I get only a transparent picture. -- Regards - Jean-Luc pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re : [Gimp-user] How to export only one channel in grey levels ?
Le 11.01.2004 19:16, David Neary a écrit : Hi, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) wrote: I've shooted some infra-red pictures with my digital camera. I would like to isolate the red channel and transform it to a black and white picture, discarding the green and blue channels. How to do that ? You should decompose the image. This is not the only way to do it, but it's certainly the easiest. The Decompose filter was moved in the 1.3 tree to Image/Filters/Colors/Decompose. Select RGB from the choices offered, and you will get 3 greyscale images, one for each channel. Cheers, Dave. Worked fine, thanks. -- - Jean-luc pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re : [Gimp-user] Reducing file size
If you use save as and set the extension to jpg, it will ask you for the quality level of the saved jpeg file. You can click the preview check-box to see what you are doing. Just near this box you can see the size of the generated file. Change the quality with the ruler until the size is near what you want. (the size update is not really real time but this is not a problem). -- Regards - Jean-Luc Le 17.12.2003 15:05, cbnrm.biz a écrit : |I have a jpg file, a photo, that I need to reduce from 152 K to max. |30 K before I can upload it to a web site. I was advised to do this |with GIMP. However, as a complete novice I can't figure out how to do |it. Can somebody pls give me some pointers? | |regards, Lars | pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
