Performers of Bach, Haydn, ... often dress in period costume of the late
19th century...
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Hello there!
Thanks, man!
Please, if anyone has the lyrics of the song Unto the prophet Jonas I
read,
Used to be they were poeted online, the original is well past being
copyrighted, but what the BC erforms is likely to have been edited, so
would be protected.
A recent purge of lyrics
Consider the case of 6 equal notes in a measure; how should one stress them?
12-34-56 is one way, 123-456 another. Which is correct depends on
context, perhaps the tex underlay will be a clue, perhaps the dance steps
involved (if any). Tourdions, galliards and other tripla dances are often
left
The mass has been performed before but not recorded I think.
Spem is certainly recorded, I have a copy on LP.
Prety sure the other has also, but not certain. Have done spem on
recorders at an ARS meeting, and also as a boy soprano in a NYC chorus of
episcopal choirs.
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To get
The organbuilding job ran out of contracts couple years ago, the teemp job
with census ended, and unemployment exhausted. after too long unable to
pay taxes I had to sell the house. Closing was last wed, I now have cash
in pocket and have taken refuge with family looking for a new place, one
Does anyone have any recommendations for a humidifier for lute. Would
appreciate any advice - thanks.
regulating the humidity of your home might be the best option; all your
instruments, your furniture, pets, people will all benefit.
Mildew is the enemy, and the smaller the case the
For example, it seems to have been established that some of the
instruments are
misaligned, as possible symbols of impending chaos, or aligned to the
date of
Good Friday 1533.
But cleaning of the picture has established that each one of the
instruments
to the right of the celestial globe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_Cwe_pz0Uo
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Some time ago I read a book about the Guarnerius Quartet, one of this
country's most outstanding and venerable string quartets.
it maay have changed in time, my awareness of them began with moms LP
collection in the 50's; I was always dismayed by their casual approach to
intonation, I
Movement of the musician(s) is one thing for solo music, another for
ensemble music.
Sight is instantaneous, and provides a much stronger degree of
cohesiveness when exploited well than sound does, sound lags significantly
just crossing a small stage, and cannot be depended on for cohesion. Good
Somebody needs to find you some better scotch.
Here! here!
lots of scotch vendors in the hamptons, but few of them carry any single
malt, my mothers favorite, and something I didnt inherit enough of to
develop any taste for (yet).
I picked a piece, Mille Regretz, that doesn't start on a rest,
When making a scholarly edition, let's just include a facsimile of
each and every version, digitally. Total information; no paper
wasted. Isn't that the best way? What could be better?
Anything less is relegating the alternate versions to the scrap heap
of history. And in the
I note that our james Tyler is not (et0 in wiki, tho two other musical JT
are listed in articles and a disambiguation entry. I lack sufficient data
to make the initial entry myself, and hope someone involved with the
proposed website would add this to the todo list.
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The edge of a sail is seamed with a continuous rope, the corners have
loops (bends) spliced in, and sheets, tacks, and other ropes that guide
the sail are fastened to those loops.
Sheets are traditionally fastened using a sheet bend knot.
http://www.layhands.com/Knots/Knots_Bends.htm#SheetBend
to spent too much money initially. She asked about the EMS lutes,
unfortunately I have never seen or heard one before so I can't really
offer she any advise.
I was hoping anyone familiar with these lutes could comment on their
quality / value for money, and whether these lutes are a good
Dear Collective Wisdom,
I have fixed my old G4 Mac (OS9) after 6+ years in the closet.
Do you have any ideas what it could still be used for? other than a
paperweight, of course...
I was given a 500 Mhz G4, older than yuours. It works just fine for wifi,
drawing, and programming. Memory is
Is 10 the maximum number of courses?
I would hope not, but it may be that the code was devised to support
renaissance repetoire, ornaments and scordatura get involved for later
material.
See the wiki article for links to the authors email (Christopher Dalitz
Michael Methfessel)
The source
Is 10 the maximum number of courses?
I just downloaded it and am reading the documentatino.
No limit is specified, but the examples show 10, and the rest of the doc
implies renaissance lutes, so I suspect the code is limited to 10 courses.
I have not delved deeply enough to know if it is
Our library is having a crisis because the online resources cost the
library a lot lot
more than the old fashioned paper journals!
Ayup. Shelf space is expensive too, reverse of that coin.
I used to be an active modeler of railroad stuff. The NYC 42nd st
research library (science and
Things are increasingly turning to online resources, but this raises
real issues of ephemerality. What is the probability that someone a
hundred years from now will be able to access the exact online
information that people the people in 2010 accessed?
information published on
why are some public (public) libraries slowly making all their MS
available as a digital download - and I'm thinking about the the
Bayerisch Staatsbibliothek here in Munich, between others -, while
there are other PUBLIC libraries (hello, British Library ...) - that
still do
My music is (mostly) packed up and in storage, I find my memory faulty for
one particular piece, and am having trouble finding the tab for it online,
I hope someone can either send me ascii tab or a link to tab online.
Original was italian tab,I can work from either french or italian.
The
A question to all ye carbon experts:
What is the difference between LINE and LEADER, for our lutenistic
purposes?
RT
The difference is most easily understood in the idiom of the marketplace
for which they are originally intended - fishing.
Line is constant diameter thruout the spool.
Always interested in words and their origins, I read David's post with
pleasure, as usual. I was puzzled, though, about the word viola, which
in
classical Latin refers to a flower (the violet).
_The Early History of the Viol_ By Ian Woodfield (ISBN 0521242924,
0521357438) probably hsa
Coming Saturday I am to play for two hours during a dinner. The
request was for early-Baroque dance music, but I think that can be
interpreted as anything between 1500 and 1700 of a lively nature.
agreed, playford and broadside music should give you lots of variety.
There are some items
I think that can be
interpreted as anything between 1500 and 1700 of a lively nature. Most
of the dancers I have played live music for seem to prefer a tempo that
brings them to exhaustion. Some dances benefit with a more stately
performance tho.
Pucell sets 'Hole in the wall' nicely in his
Dear All,
I play my lute regularly at a local restaurant, music from before 1650
exclusively. The owners have been contacted by BMI and were told that
they need a license.
Not a lawyer, but reading the FAQ on the BMI website I note that they
admit there are other licensing agencies, each of
Salary: $1,200/ week.
not too shabby; cost of living shouldnt be too horendous. West coast of
FL (Clearwater) looked ok couple of years ago when I was there on
business.
Not for me at this time of my life, especially since they insist on CT (I
am more baritone/2nd T); unclear to me if there
A student should learn italian tab
as soon as possible, too late they say, oh, I do prefer french tab...)
I found it difficult to read both, and began with 'french-like' forms
(French with numerals as well as french with letters).
Each of the publishers had arguments for their form, all of
Here's an amateur attempt at Anton Höger's lute duo setting of the
Passereau chanson. My playing is not subtle and it gets a bit messy
towards the end (but it's the best take I could do!).
this is such an enjoyable piece when sung, if a bit challenging to
enunciate - especially for the
In using hide glue, is it possible to over-clamp,
so that insufficient glue is left in the joint?
not really, hhg is not gap filling, it penetrates the wood fibers and
polymerizes; squeeze-out indicates an excess of glue was applied.
One can starve a joint by using too little glue.
Often
I recall a lute Society of America seminar in 1979. It was in
Barrington, Rhode island.
The temperatures were in the high 90's F., but the humidity has also
in the 90's.
More important than the recorded temperature, temperatures inside cars
would have been far higher.
My home here on long
Dear Herbert,
There is an extraordinary photo of Chris Wilson on the back of the booklet
As I recall that was a Naxos CD, I have it somewhere.
My understanding is that is was a standard photographers flood light
backlighting the whole scene. Cant hurt to try it, provided you minimize
the
On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:01 PM, David van Ooijen wrote:
Better use the tape used by painters for the the bits they
don't want to paint. His advice.
Even masking tape can be a problem. One solution is to stick the tape on
your clothes a few time so it picks up lint and is easier to remove.
I acquired a lute with some damage to the
soundboard. Â There is a buzzing loose brace
and an open soundboard-bowl seam.
slack the string tension and put it back in its case. play something else
until your luthier returns.
This Loose brace may be just the beginning, could have defective
I found that wearing heavy, preferably leather gloves tend to help prevent
booth finger stiffness and skin roughness. It prevents getting dirt under
the nails as well.
It is interesting to look at rural cultures where the farmers also also
musicians - fiddle players, etc. Their playing
Wow! Are my fingers ever out of shape! Thanks for sharing this link--why
don't they teach us this stuff the minute we pick up an instrument??
some do, some dont, depends on the teacher.
I was blessed in moms choice of a guitar teacher, at age eight; it wasnt
volunteered to me, but when I
Hi,
not only De Tous bien Plaine, but generally.
It is thought that
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Hi,
not only De Tous bien Plaine, but generally.
It is thought that Hayne was a lutenist, many of his works sit well on the
lute in one or more parts. However, anything that is well disposed to the
lute will similarly fit the viol da gamba, and these works are generally
better suited for
I suspect this is not the same Brown, since the Brown I think TS is
referring to has/had his website under the name Lawrence K Brown.
LAWRENCE K BROWN is a luthier living and working in the asheville NC area,
now doing 'more profitable work', perhaps custom violins and guitars. I
found a home
I recall one, maybe two recordings in the 70's, one in particular by The
Early Music Consort of London directed by David Munrow, cant quite recall
the orchestration, high voice and keyboard or viols perhaps. Not certain
which recordings, might have been a soundtracks he was commissioned to do
Hello.
In addition to learning the lute, I have started formal vocal training.
In choosing to sing Caccini I have hit the how do you play and sing at
the same time? problem.
some can, others cant. I can do strumming when i sing (as for modern folk
music or renaissance music I
Anne Boleyn has been seen playing the lute and singing while
rollerblading round the Tower of London.
how do you play a lute withyour head tooked underneath ...
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Hullo chaps!
Am changing strings and noticed the fingerboard on my lute is a bit
dry looking and the finish(?) looking a bit worn in those spots
between courses. I note that guitarists seem to swear by lemon oil as
a fingerboard maintenence and care method. Do you chaps recommend it?
Are
Thank you for the clarification.
Sean
On Feb 24, 2010, at 4:13 PM, John Griffiths wrote:
Dear list members,
the evidence about Palestrina and the lute suggests not that he
composed on the lute, but that he intabulated his new compositions
and
tested them on the lute before
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:02 PM, dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:
No way european music was going to be encountered in settlements in the
bights of benin or baifra, maybe some few on the island of Djakarta, but
during the time of slavery those places were mostly habited by slavers
and
In
Well, to me the huge time span and the huge area of French influence
was
news to me
the main french interest was fur trapping, the mississippi and missouri
headwaters are a vast source of the fur (and blackflies).
Isn't it strange/interesting/cute/important that African
We have modern examples of ensembles on similar instruments in the Venere
Quartet, the Kings Singers, and Piffaro, when they are on recorder. For
mixed ensembles we can look to Piffaro, Baltimore Consort, and many
others.
Frankly, I find hour-long programs on similar ensembles deadly boreing,
I think it must be caramel coated pop-corn, or perhaps Cracker-Jacks.
nope, gotta be crunch n munch
One detail that jumps out at me is the fruit bowl. It's a Chinese
bowl, with calligraphy on the side.
possibly purchased or a gift from traders with the 15c fleet bearing a
chinese ambassador
Yes, I'm using Mail on a Mac and I have Organize by Threads
not sure mail has 'thread's, thats a term I recall from usenet news.
that software dual purpose? 'subject line' compares to 'thread' for
purpose, but is the term for email.
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I thought my use of 'working girl' in inverted commas indicated (in a
slightly tongue-in-cheek manner) that I meant prostitutes?
Exactly as I took it. My point is that there were other low-status
occupations for females as well, and many of them involved mixed duties,
barmaids, servants
Christopher Stetson 1/9/2010 10:26 AM
Hi, Naomi,
I see. I'm not sure why Munrow lists her as dying in 1586, probably
just a mistake.
lots of Sydneys, Mary is a very common christian name. Title of Lady is
not always recorded in the death records. Most likely some other MS
There were women in the audience at public theatres. While the theatre
was an excellent business opportunity for 'working girls' it wasn't
devoid of respectable women of all classes.
Not entirely sure it is fair to make a strong distinction between
'respectable' and 'working', some
I also offered the opinion that posing with her theorbo(?) implied in
England at the time (I translate), I'm hip, I'm serious, and I can
play with the boys,
The inigo Jones productinos were largely at court for the court, and
should not be taken as typical of the London Playhouse
I vote for two staves. It is more accurate and scholarly, IMHO.
scholarly, ok; accurate?!? accuracy depends on the proofreader, between
two forms of staff notation I would think the single-staff would be more
likely to be accurate done by a human, but would expect no significant
difference
Giuliani, maybe, but not Sor.
more modern editions of Sor's music disagree, including F Noad. It is a
challenge to show three-part polyphony on one staff, but far from
impossible.
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Could anybody give his/her opinion about this issue:
At the moment I am analysing the Kapsperger 1611 lute book for my Doc.
dissertation. All the musical examples will be written with Django tab
writer adding (automatically) its transcription. My question is: should
the
In a message dated 1/2/10 7:47:39 AM, dem...@suffolk.lib.ny.us writes:
Historical tablature used headless notes, but this made it difficult
when
music required notes of longer duration than semibreve.
I have always loved the delicious irony that the note with the
in white mensural
notation the longest note is a Maxima, followed by a Longa, Brevis,
Semibrevis, Minima, Semiminima, Fusa and Semifusa.
true. And, the Mx rest is seen more often than the note; as the rest is
commonly displayed at the beginning of a piece to explain the composers
intentions
But the movement I started working on
tonight is in 3/2. The others staves say 3/2
Historical tablature used headless notes, but this made it difficult when
music required notes of longer duration than semibreve. Some printers had
symbols for breve, a circle on the stem or a left-going
The note B relative to A being 440 hertz did not occur in history until
Edwardian times in the early 20th century so to call a note B earlier
than this seems pointless.
?!?
dont see what 440 has to do with anything, this is a discussion of nominal
pitch, not actual.
are you trying
We are of the opinion that the earliest picture of an undeniably wire
strung harp referred to in writing associated with the picture as an
Irish (or Scots) harp, much later to be known as clarsach, is from
Michael Praetorious, early 1600's.
I dont have access to Roslyn Renches
I'm not sure I understand the question :)
The problem is MusicXML, which records only fret and midi-pitch for modern
tabulature.
Modern tabulature is basically french form using numerals. Guitar, banjo,
and mandolin (possibly bouzuki and modern cittern too) are published in
modern tabulature;
The Scots/Irish clarsach (medieval wire-string harp) of yore had the
two central strings tuned to b, and were referred to as the 'two
sisters'. I have a couple of theories as to why this should be. 1) one
of them was b flat
Thanks for the mention, this is the first I have heard
Staff notation differes from tablature notation in many ways, but a
fundamental point of difference is that ordinary staff notation specifys
only the pitch of each note, and not where on the instrument it is
produced, for instruments with alternatives this leaves it up to the
player, and must be
To All:
After spending insane hours dedicated to house-building in a mad
attempt to beat the snow and frozen ground, and the usual spate of
December gigs, we took the time to make a new video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT4PLrF0utc
This is a performance of Mignonne allons
I don't know, but I really don't think your speculation of active,
deliberate fraud is accurate Vance.
I took another look at the website, it lists two forms of contact,
telephone, and email. there is no information about terms or any means to
detail an order. Yes, prices are listed, being
Why do museums with such fine collections not show
their wares?
speculating, could be economics. Costs to keep display cases at a
conservative environment. Museum security and insurance is another issue.
Instrument makers might be better served by publications of plans and
photos, which
This is an incredibly sad news.
One wonders if Her Majesty could be induced to take an interest?
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Interesting...but that's a guitar, Dana.
my bad, I saw more than 8 pegs, forgot some g have 5c.
But everyone seems to be ignoring my main point.
LF has a day job selling rosewood guitar sets wholesale. He ist trying to
work FT as a luthier anymore, no surprise he is slow to deliver.
I
Mr Faria may well be both a skilled luthier and a person of conscience,
over-commited and overwhelmed, trying hard to catch up while also
supporting family. He has done good and timely work in the past.
Unfortunately, good reputations are easily lost when one cant or wont
communicate with the
As a luthier myself, I have empathy for any difficulties being experienced
by Luciano. That's as it should be, but when it comes to actually doing
business, all rises to another level.
agreed.
Were these times akin to hstorical times there would be a guild or a mayor
and town council one
Personally, in spite of being the source of that last e-mail, I am also a
great fan of much of Yepes' work.
As am I, his recording of many of the Sor etudes was my tutor as I worked
thru them in my classical guitar study period. There were many more LP's
of Segovia than Yepes in the house,
Another take on the matter: In the eyes of Catholicism
ah, but how does that play in england in elizabethan times? You have
closeted catholics, confused church of england, protesting calvinists,
black-clad puritans, refugee hugenots, and a Queen heading them all who
quietly tolerates it all as
Yes, I don't expect it to be up to much, but he did at least give it a
go when no-one else would. Deserves recognition, I think.
Yes, but in context. Pretty sure Segovia precedes him, my LPS are at home
(I write this at the library); I have some Yepes and some Segovia LP's
acquired in
having an appropriate jig to be able to carry this out as
fast as possible (forget about go-bars; I do not think they are a good
idea at all, unless one could tension several at the same time!)
try it before you give up, I think you will find it a popular solution
with many luthiers.
A side note esp. regarding Dowland's settings- frequently the
underlay is problematic after the first verse
Irregular scansion is hardly unique to Dowland - a problem familiar to all
singers of any experience, commonly affecting every song of any length,
from church hymns to sea chanties. The
Dana,
I've had a devil of a time using go-bars with lute bracing. Lute braces
are narrow and it's difficult to position the go bar so it doesn't flip a
brace over. If the pressure is even a little bit off-axis, there goes
your brace.
rather like balancing a caber on top of a board set on
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:02 PM, David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net
wrot=
e:
Dowland =A0was reluctant to publish his most important works.
Of course, anything is possible. But some facts before theories.
Coprario published his set of song in 1606 on the death of Baron
Mountjoy. The
Hi All,
Thanks for weighing in on this topic. I've been using 315, and I think I'm
ready to order some lower strength. It's been good to use especially when
you want the fast tack and I've adapted my technique to suit. I would
never
be able to use Tim's method of glueing the braces all in
The Purpose of gluing on all the braces on the soundboard at once is that
it is easier then to control some very important factors.
I can see all that, but I wonder at setting up all those bars
simultaneously, I would have thought it more practical to work from the
center bars towards each
I'm wondering what gram strength glue other builders out there are
using.
there are other traditional glues beyond hide glue, fish glue and rabbit
glue are sometimes mentioned. fish glue is similar, but not identical;
rabbit glue is a particular quality of hide glue.
Now, if only we had electricity...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leyden_jar
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I believe that the Bbb you are seeing
Not seeing it at all, and never claimed to have done. Wondering if there
is any excuse for it. Please read what I wrote people!
Am writing software that depends on descriptions of instruments for
playback from tablature, a nominal pitch + an interval
If we're discussing equal temperament and modern concepts of key
signatures,
I can't envision why you'd want to double flat a B in favor of just saying
A.
Unfortunately, we have heard from one brass player who has a crook labeled
Bbb, reflecting the actual pitch of nominal Bb in A=415.
I
Hi Wolfgang,
The nut on each of my lutes looks like ivory or bone - pure white.
there are superdense plastics witht he same look. You can distinquish by
smell, disengage the nut and make a scratch on the underside where i wont
show or disturb the fit.
I don't know their gauges.
Hi ned!
If I may introduce another problem having to do with the nut into this
thread, is binding of the wound strings inevitable?
Not if the nut material is hard enough. Shape of the notch matters too;
and should suit the size of string. A nick with a file is the usual start
for the
Got a question for the collective wisdom.
When describing an instrument, one of the common points of distinction is
nominal pitch, one speaks of an alto recorder in G, a clarinet in C, or a
Lute in G for example.
I can see reason for a nominal pitch to involve one sharp or one flat
(clarinet and
Hi all,
I was just wondering if anybody knows how to measure the opening
surface of a lute rosette ?
Easy using software like photoshop, same proceedure is used to measure
leaf surface area and estimate damage to brain coral as seen in
tomographic slices.
take a digital photo which
Is there an easy and simple method to measure or calculate this
surface? (I'm not talking about some hard computer program or complex
mathematical formula ...we're lute makers after all ...)
you might try placing the soundboard on a sheet of graph paper, photograph
it and count the
For a laugh (or to be appalled, as is your nature) take a look at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_in_Elizabethan_Era
well, yes, it needs a bit of redaction.
Wiki articles are written by committees of anonymous contributers working
independently.
Eventually things get sorted out. Join the
I think they should all just suit up in armor and duke it out. The
bagpipes will win, but they win anyway.
maybe not all, yes, the highland pipes and the zampogna have a decided
advantage, but there are pipes fit for indoor ocasions.
Even better--lutes, harps and viols should
Again agree, but why there are no lute recitals, presentations,
masterclasses at Greenwich? We know there were some in past, so why not
this year?
well, who is to give the master class(s)? who will play the recital?
Somene with skill and a recognizable name; perhaos none were available on
Unfortunatly, there are some harsh economic realities involved in renting
a table at events like the BEMF. You have to man the table, staff doing
so need accommodation and food, and are not producing work in your shop.
If your shop is selling smaller instruments such as recorders and bagpipes
In a musical instrument shop in Paris I saw this:
http://www.lute-academy.be/docstore/parislute.jpg
What do you think?
looks worth a trip back. The music stand behind it is also of interest,
if only an era could be put t it; nice to have a view of the feet and the
rack.
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Hello!
I'm , once again before you begging for tab or a link to tab.,
why not make your own?
Grimstock is a dance tune oroginally published in the 1651 Playford, and
still popular in english country dance today. you will find it in several
archives online in abc format.
free software
I thought you might also be interested in the original vocal version,
Stainer Bell have reprinted the 35 pieces attributed to Henry Roi from
their v18 Musica Britanica, see the following link -
http://www.stainer.co.uk/henry.html
See antiquarian or library sources for this other anthology where
Dear Peter and all,
Being one of the members of the French list who expressed his disapproval
of Mr Y.'s approach , I would simply like to underline that I never said
a word against the idea of using a subscription to help to realize a
project, whatever this project may be : selling cds in
And no manuscript annotations to show how the player adapted the part
for his instrument. Maybe the musicians simply weren't allowed to
write on the music.
the pencil as we know it today was protean then, artists certainly had
charcoal sticks for skethes, but these may not have been
So there are two bridges, but no under-and-over stuff (as on
later dulcimers).
if one bridge each side, then each set of strings are likely to be sloped
relative to the other, so they look like an X viewed from the side; this
allows the player a choice, play left, or play right. Some players
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