Re: [MBZ] There! I fixed it!!!

2015-06-03 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

Napmobile?  As in "nappy" or "take a nap"?


"Take a".  That LWB W126 is _comfy_ with the seat flopped back.
Sunshades in front and hang some blankets on the sides, and
yer in bidness.  I don't even put the seat back up on the
passenger side, unless I'm expecting one.  That's rare.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao

2015-06-03 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes

A 4 cyl 300D?  How dey do dat?


Maybe the "2.4" fell off the right side of the trunk?  :-)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Paint - was: 124 wagon water woe

2015-06-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes





Curly wrote:

 For the other 240D, I'd like to keep it Midnight Blue...


Is my 240D Midnight Blue? - you saw it.
mao



Lotta water over the dam since that day.  I think so.  if it is there 
should be a 904 somewhere on the data plate by the radiator.


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Re: [MBZ] Paint - was: 124 wagon water woe

2015-06-03 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Curly wrote:
> For the other 240D, I'd like to keep it Midnight Blue...

Is my 240D Midnight Blue? - you saw it.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao

2015-06-03 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
clay wrote:
> Maybe because we have no designation for it on this end of the pond, so the 
> seller uses a designation we will jump on.   He should have led off with w124 
> manual trans.
>

I spoke briefly with the guy - he is from Romania... yeah, probably
sounds like scam...
How do you put 3 liters in 4 cylinders?
Can't anyone access Euro VIN numbers?
Or is that a function for dealer access only?
Seems to be an interesting MB assemblage.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Paint - was: 124 wagon water woe

2015-06-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Good info Curt!  The white 240D, I have considered painting with 
cans.  I had never thought of putting clear coat over rattle can 
paint.  Some of it now is pretty decent paint.  I am saving your info 
in my archive of MB stuff...


We always painted tractors with implement enamel, never automotive 
paint, even when it was pretty similar.  I'd probably use implement 
paint for the tractor  And I think that would do for the white 240D, 
if I can spray with the airless sprayer.


For the other 240D, I'd like to keep it Midnight Blue, so that would 
only work with an automotive metallic.  It is such a nice color on 
123 and 107, and I think it'd look good on a 126 also, but I've only 
seem pictures of one 126 in the color, and none in person.   When 
that Round Tuit comes in...


I did the hood on my '83 240D and it was the best looking paint on 
the whole car. I never buffed that out but I suspect if I had it 
would have taken a really nice shine.
I've painted a bunch of lanterns with Rustoleum spray bombs (Philip 
has one) and been happy with the results. It took me awhile to learn 
a good technique but I can lay down a pretty good looking coat now. 
Its gonna be harder on a car because of the horizontal surfaces but 
still do-able. The last couple lanterns I've done I've done 4 color 
coats 10 minutes apart. Let it dry and harden two weeks, then cut, 
polish and clear coat for a nice shine, better than original...

Which reminds me I've got a couple projects to get to work on.
-Curt
  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Randy Bennell 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 3:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paint - was: 124 wagon water woe



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Re: [MBZ] Paint - was: 124 wagon water woe

2015-06-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes





<<< I don't even own a paint sprayer, other than for latex house paint.
(airless) Hmm.  If a house paint roller will work for painting a car -
what about a house paint airless sprayer to paint a car... snip

On that subject. I have now painted a number of large items using an
airless sprayer paint rig and automotive grade paint. It required that I
use a spray nozzle that was sized properly for the automotive viscosity
paint, and that I buy a new, not contaminated with latex paint hose from
the pump to the spray handle, and surgically clean the rest of the spray
rig to prevent clogs and problems from residual latex paint left in the rig
from previous paint jobs.

I strongly suggest you talk with your airless spray rig supplier to get
guidance on the nozzle size for your particular rig that will work with
automotive viscosity paint. Then practice for a bit on some smooth plywood
or foam board panel to get the necessary feel for speed, volume, and
coverage.

Having now mastered the skill, I doubt I will ever mess with air driven
HVLP paint guns again for large jobs.. Something smaller than a car or an
airplane.. then yes, but only because cleanup for the airless after using
automotive grade paint is more involved..


thanks for the  "how to"  That seems doable.  I'd probably try first 
on the tractor.  Not a lot of sheet metal, and it would be pretty 
easy to sand out and start over if it got bad runs or sags.  I have 
saved it my archive of MB stuff from over the years.  Maybe when my 
Round Tuit comes in...


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Re: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao

2015-06-03 Thread clay via Mercedes
Maybe because we have no designation for it on this end of the pond, so the 
seller uses a designation we will jump on.   He should have led off with w124 
manual trans.

clay

On Jun 3, 2015, at 7:20 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

> A 4 cyl 300D?  How dey do dat?
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" 
> 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Rick Knoble" 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 3:37 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao
> 
> 
>> http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/5055658078.html
>> Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10
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Re: [MBZ] There! I fixed it!!!

2015-06-03 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 3 Jun 2015 17:33:06 -0500 Curly McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Way cool!  I really would like a "how to" write up to go with the 
> picture so i can do it WHEN needed (not if)...  or send it to some 
> one else if one of #1 daughter's cars need it since i am too far away 
> and since she is mechanically/electrically inept.

There isn't much to a "how to". I thought the first picture showing how
the terminals harvested from the old electronic flasher were hooked with
short lengths of 14 gauge wire to the new, mechanical flasher's terminals
(which conveniently have holes in them) was pretty self explanatory.

The only difficulty might be knowing where to connect the wired-up
terminals on the flasher socket. That's shown in the schematic attached
(a screen capture from the PDF Fred sent, cropped in the Gimp, and saved
as a GIF): The terminals connect to socket contacts 49 and 49a; polarity
doesn't matter. The old relay is labeled with which contacts are which.
They ended up being the two closest to each other; if you hold the bottom
of the relay so the plastic locating pin is up, the two contacts are on
the left.

Is that sufficient?


Craig

P.S. Soldering connections and using electrical tape would be advised; I
 did not because our household goods are packed up in a furniture van
 and I don't have access to them at the moment.
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Re: [MBZ] Paint - was: 124 wagon water woe

2015-06-03 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
<<< I don't even own a paint sprayer, other than for latex house paint.
(airless) Hmm.  If a house paint roller will work for painting a car -
what about a house paint airless sprayer to paint a car... snip

On that subject. I have now painted a number of large items using an
airless sprayer paint rig and automotive grade paint. It required that I
use a spray nozzle that was sized properly for the automotive viscosity
paint, and that I buy a new, not contaminated with latex paint hose from
the pump to the spray handle, and surgically clean the rest of the spray
rig to prevent clogs and problems from residual latex paint left in the rig
from previous paint jobs.

I strongly suggest you talk with your airless spray rig supplier to get
guidance on the nozzle size for your particular rig that will work with
automotive viscosity paint. Then practice for a bit on some smooth plywood
or foam board panel to get the necessary feel for speed, volume, and
coverage.

Having now mastered the skill, I doubt I will ever mess with air driven
HVLP paint guns again for large jobs.. Something smaller than a car or an
airplane.. then yes, but only because cleanup for the airless after using
automotive grade paint is more involved..
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Re: [MBZ] Paint - was: 124 wagon water woe

2015-06-03 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I did the hood on my '83 240D and it was the best looking paint on the whole 
car. I never buffed that out but I suspect if I had it would have taken a 
really nice shine.
I've painted a bunch of lanterns with Rustoleum spray bombs (Philip has one) 
and been happy with the results. It took me awhile to learn a good technique 
but I can lay down a pretty good looking coat now. Its gonna be harder on a car 
because of the horizontal surfaces but still do-able. The last couple lanterns 
I've done I've done 4 color coats 10 minutes apart. Let it dry and harden two 
weeks, then cut, polish and clear coat for a nice shine, better than original...
Which reminds me I've got a couple projects to get to work on.
-Curt
  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Randy Bennell  
 Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 3:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Paint - was: 124 wagon water woe
   
On 03/06/2015 1:39 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
>> Curly wrote:
>>
>> It is not a pretty car.
>> The paint is dead, so I have 2 candidates for
>> Curt to apply a roller paint job, if I could only get him
>> here to do it.
>>
>> I don't even own a paint sprayer, other than for latex
>> house paint.  (airless)
> Hmm.  If a house paint roller will work for painting a car -
> what about a house paint airless sprayer to paint a car...
>
> Just sayin'...
>
> ___
>

The rollers are usually the small foam rollers.
I have not painted a car with them but have had reasonable luck on 
things like a big tank on an air compressor and the upper half of an 
aluminum boat.
I did not thin the paint quite enough on the air tank and it has an 
appearance of orange peel like a course spray job but it is much better 
than it would likely be if I had done it with a brush.
Rustoleum type paint called Tremclad in Canada.

RB



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Re: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao

2015-06-03 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/5055658078.html


If the fan shroud fit, I'd assume it was an ordinary 200D.
Very low chassis number, sure it isn't a 1986 that was imported in 1987?


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Re: [MBZ] Tires - was: 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

fmiser via Mercedes wrote:


However, the General Tirepaw tires on my Suburban were so bad
I replaced them before they wore out.  So - are General tires
good or junk?  From my experience - BOTH!!  I think it's
pretty pointless to try to promote or deride an entire brand
of tires because of one model.  Sure, there may be brand
tendencies - but between the difference in tire models and
the manufacturing variables over time, I doubt any one of us
could have enough experience with any brand or model tire for
there to be any statistically significant data.


I put TigerPaws on my Citation back in the 1980s. Very good tires for the day.
I then put BFG Competition T/A HR A/S and then, 70kmi later, HR4 on my Horizon, 
those were totally awesome.


But when I bought a used Taurus, with fairly expensive Continental touring tires 
on it, all four of them slipped belts eventually.


So, when the time came to put new tires on the e320 4matic, I was leaning 
towards Continental DWS, but there were too many stories of delaminated belts in 
the Tire Rack reviews. So I went for another Continental/General product without 
the self destruct reviews, the General G-MAX AS03, which turned out to be far 
more of a high performance tire than it is an all-season tire. Perhaps I should 
have gone with the heavily snow oriented DWS for $14 per tire more?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] There! I fixed it!!!

2015-06-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

On Tue, 2 Jun 2015 21:21:01 -0500 Curly McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:


 Well then you've earned a Cathey with Oak leaf clusters, as well as
 an Attaboy from Wilton!

 Way to go!


Oh, wow!



 Is the original  flasher switch still used to turn on the 4 ways?  I
 didn't see it in your pictures.


One cannot tell it is not stock without removing the console cover and
seeing the flasher. One of the original pictures I sent should have shown
the emergency flasher switch.


Craig


Way cool!  I really would like a "how to" write up to go with the 
picture so i can do it WHEN needed (not if)...  or send it to some 
one else if one of #1 daughter's cars need it since i am too far away 
and since she is mechanically/electrically inept.


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Re: [MBZ] There! I fixed it!!!

2015-06-03 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 2 Jun 2015 21:21:01 -0500 Curly McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Well then you've earned a Cathey with Oak leaf clusters, as well as 
> an Attaboy from Wilton!
> 
> Way to go!

Oh, wow!


> Is the original  flasher switch still used to turn on the 4 ways?  I 
> didn't see it in your pictures.

One cannot tell it is not stock without removing the console cover and
seeing the flasher. One of the original pictures I sent should have shown
the emergency flasher switch.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Tires - was: 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

...

One occurrence and you consider that to be a characteristic
of the entire brand?  Really??

I like the General Altimax RT.  It's about the last extra load
rated passenger car tire on the market.  I tend to travel
heavy, especially in the S123, so the higher weight rating is
useful.

However, the General Tirepaw tires on my Suburban were so bad
I replaced them before they wore out.  So - are General tires
good or junk?  From my experience - BOTH!!  I think it's
pretty pointless to try to promote or deride an entire brand
of tires because of one model.  Sure, there may be brand
tendencies - but between the difference in tire models and
the manufacturing variables over time, I doubt any one of us
could have enough experience with any brand or model tire for
there to be any statistically significant data.

Kinda like the fellow who says "Dodge is junk.  That Valiant
I owned in 1972 worthless.  I never had a whole month that it
didn't break down.  There's no way I'd want to own another
Dodge".


It mostly all boils down to who is the tirebuilder.  That is a high 
skill job, combines art and science,  and any screwup, the tire 
fails.  In Yurp, people tend to hold jobs a long time or life.  In 
this country, anymore, in a physical work condition, like a 
tirebuilder, 3 years is a long tenure.  This is why I believe i have 
experienced a much lower failure rate with yurpeen tars.  It is also 
why club tars fail frequently, because the best tirebuilders are put 
on OE tars, and the newbies are put on the club tars, and other 
aftermarket  only tires.   The OE tars that don't make spec are sold 
to the aftermarket as quality tires, even though they are not.


Yes, is is unfair to brand Yokohama as all crap because of ONE VERY 
EXPENSIVE and VERY DANGEROUS experience, that could have very easily 
resulted in loss of life, but that is my privilege as a VERY 
UNSATISFIED customer.  YMMV, of course.


If a crappy tire caused your wife and/or kids to come very near to 
fatal experience, along with $4000 damage to the suburban would you 
go back for more after the dealer and the company told you "too bad 
it didn't kill you?"Would YOU really go back and buy MORE?


As for me and my family, NO YOKOHAMAS!  Never EVER!  There are many 
other choices, and even if michelin was the only other choice, and 
they were twice as much, i'd not be buying Yokohamas.


If a doctor causes you to die, will you recommend that doctor to your 
friends?  We humans are Illogical, just ask Spock!


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Re: [MBZ] OT: MS Outlook Lesson

2015-06-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Maybe I'm a fool to still use Outlook (or any Office product) but I thought
I'd share a recent experience....

Also, I made a text document on my NAS with all the settings needed to build
a profile from scratch.  You can copy and paste from that document into the
profile-builder form but you need to use Ctrl-V to paste because right-click
won't produce a drop-down menu in those forms.

Scott


I love the old Apple II keyboard shortcuts!

Open apple (control)(command) s, p, z, x, c, v, q, w, o, (in word: k, h)

too bad micro$haft never figured out w and q.  It would save a lot of 
time if they did.  But since word and excel were originally released 
for MacIntosh, many of the apple commands work in those products.


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[MBZ] OT: MS Outlook Lesson

2015-06-03 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Maybe I'm a fool to still use Outlook (or any Office product) but I thought
I'd share a recent experience.  

 

The Outlook version on my notebook PC was experiencing frequent, long delays
(Outlook not responding).  The fix was to generate a new profile from
scratch via the Control Panel.  The main lesson-learned is to make a backup
copy of that new profile (via the Control Panel) while it is still clean and
uncorrupted.  Next time the working copy gets corrupted, just delete it and
copy from that clean backup (vs building it from scratch).  

 

Also, I made a text document on my NAS with all the settings needed to build
a profile from scratch.  You can copy and paste from that document into the
profile-builder form but you need to use Ctrl-V to paste because right-click
won't produce a drop-down menu in those forms.

 

Scott

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Re: [MBZ] Paint - was: 124 wagon water woe

2015-06-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

 > Curly wrote:


 It is not a pretty car. 



 The paint is dead, so I have 2 candidates for
 Curt to apply a roller paint job, if I could only get him
 here to do it.

 I don't even own a paint sprayer, other than for latex
 house paint.  (airless)


Hmm.  If a house paint roller will work for painting a car -
what about a house paint airless sprayer to paint a car...

Just sayin'...


I think it could be used but there is a lot of viscosity difference, 
and I am not sure if you could get all the paint out with a solvent, 
then there are concerns about solvent damage to the hose and pump. 
The thin paint could probably be handled with a different nozzle, but 
I still have concerns about spatter, etc.


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Re: [MBZ] Paint - was: 124 wagon water woe

2015-06-03 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 03/06/2015 1:39 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

Curly wrote:

It is not a pretty car.
The paint is dead, so I have 2 candidates for
Curt to apply a roller paint job, if I could only get him
here to do it.

I don't even own a paint sprayer, other than for latex
house paint.  (airless)

Hmm.  If a house paint roller will work for painting a car -
what about a house paint airless sprayer to paint a car...

Just sayin'...

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The rollers are usually the small foam rollers.
I have not painted a car with them but have had reasonable luck on 
things like a big tank on an air compressor and the upper half of an 
aluminum boat.
I did not thin the paint quite enough on the air tank and it has an 
appearance of orange peel like a course spray job but it is much better 
than it would likely be if I had done it with a brush.

Rustoleum type paint called Tremclad in Canada.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Paint - was: 124 wagon water woe

2015-06-03 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Curly wrote:
>
> It is not a pretty car.  

> The paint is dead, so I have 2 candidates for
> Curt to apply a roller paint job, if I could only get him
> here to do it.
> 
> I don't even own a paint sprayer, other than for latex
> house paint.  (airless)

Hmm.  If a house paint roller will work for painting a car -
what about a house paint airless sprayer to paint a car...

Just sayin'...

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Re: [MBZ] Tires - was: 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> > Kleb sez: I have gotten to where I just about only buy
> > Michelin

> Curly wrote:
> 
> Almost every michelin I've had slipped belts.

> Same with badyear, except the Quantum came with a set of
> high end goodyears that were very good tires.

> Generals have been ok summer tires, but terrible (scary) on
> snow.

> I know other have had bad experience with German
> Continentals, but I'd had very good experiences with German
> made tires, and also with the french Kleber.
> 
> I had one set of Pirellis (made in usa) on the burgundy SDL
> when I bought it.  All 4 slipped belts within 50  miles on
> a MBCA event.
 
> Jokohamas came apart  on I-80 (not hot) and caused $2500
> damage to the TE.

I haven't noticed a correlation between brand name and cord
separation.  Some tire do, some don't.  I have some slight
circumstantial evidence that heavy hits it pot holes and the
like may aggravate or cause cord separation.  A puncture may
also trigger a separation.

I have had very good service from Yokohama.  A few sets of
load range C light truck tires, a few sets on a few W/S123.
I also had a some on a big truck.  Those rode and wore very
well - but there isn't much similarity between a big truck
tire and a car/light truck tire...

> in my experience Merkun and Japanee radial tars seldom wear
> out, they slip belts or in the case of jokohamas, fly apart
> and cause a lot of damage.

One occurrence and you consider that to be a characteristic
of the entire brand?  Really??

I like the General Altimax RT.  It's about the last extra load
rated passenger car tire on the market.  I tend to travel
heavy, especially in the S123, so the higher weight rating is
useful.

However, the General Tirepaw tires on my Suburban were so bad
I replaced them before they wore out.  So - are General tires
good or junk?  From my experience - BOTH!!  I think it's
pretty pointless to try to promote or deride an entire brand
of tires because of one model.  Sure, there may be brand
tendencies - but between the difference in tire models and
the manufacturing variables over time, I doubt any one of us
could have enough experience with any brand or model tire for
there to be any statistically significant data.

Kinda like the fellow who says "Dodge is junk.  That Valiant
I owned in 1972 worthless.  I never had a whole month that it
didn't break down.  There's no way I'd want to own another
Dodge".

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Re: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao

2015-06-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Maybe the rooskie websites have info on that VIN.



W124.120 200D European delivery.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.



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Re: [MBZ] 124 wagon water woe

2015-06-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes



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Where did you get the replacement gasket for the 123 windshield?

RB


Cheep chinee crap  URO from fleabay.  When I looked at the cost of 
the MB gasket and high probability it is made by URO anyway, I 
decided to get one more directly from the source, rather than paying 
3-4 times as much for one with an MB part number sticker on it.


It is not a pretty car.  It is rusty, and I patched extensively on it 
3 yrs ago.  Mostly underneath the floor mats and under the car.  Then 
applied the POR 15 and undercoat.  The paint is dead, so I have 2 
candidates for Curt to apply a roller paint job, if I could only get 
him here to do it.


If I could get someone to fire me so I have some time, I'd like to 
try the roller paint job.  Things go in cycles.  around 1999 - 2002 
it was roofs.  I put on 4 garage roofs and 2 house roofs.  Now it is 
painting.  2 cars (or 3 or 4 if time and money permitted) and a 
tractor all need paint.  I always have to do the paint prep but my 
dad painted the tractors and equipment.  I don't even own a paint 
sprayer, other than for latex house paint.  (airless)


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Re: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao

2015-06-03 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
W124.120 200D European delivery.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 11:08:38 -0400
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> CC: dillonm...@gmail.com
> 
> That car looks totally mickey mouse.  I see that the cooling fan sits about
> 6 inches back from the shroud on the radiator, so something really odd is
> going on there.  Also, the serp. belt has been replaced with a shorter
> version to omit the AC compressor, so AC doesn't work.  Engine wiring and
> coolant hoses also look strange.  No ABS?
> 
> Maybe the engine is not original, someone replaced the original six
> cylinder with a four?  Or maybe they swapped the badge on the trunk?
> 
> Online EPC says the datacard is not available for that VIN.
> 
> On the positive side: Manual transmission, manual HVAC controls, manual
> seats, maybe no sunroof?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:20 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> > A 4 cyl 300D?  How dey do dat?
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Cc: "Rick Knoble" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 3:37 AM
> > Subject: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao
> >
> >
> >  http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/5055658078.html
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 wagon water woe

2015-06-03 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

On 03/06/2015 10:34 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

It's a good thing I didn't put the carpet back in yet, after a hard rain
last night there is water on the passenger floor again.  Less water than
before, so progress has been made.

Read on peach parts that on some 124 cars, the front drain tubes shrink
with age and the bottom end pulls back into the A pillar.

I also researched the wagon roof luggage rack, and each of the side 
rails
have long rubber seals under them.  If that is the source of the 
leak, I'm

not looking forward to removing the headline to pull those rails and
replace the rubber seals.
-
Max
Charleston SC


For years, the 81 240D leaked on your foot if driving in the rain, but 
there was no problem to be found.  I kept it under roof to prevent 
rusting, and we had it out of service for 10 years or so. Eventually 
the windshield gasket disintegrated, and had to be replaced.  
Fortunately there was no serious rust in the windshield frame.  After 
the new glass and gasket, no leaks!  I'm driving it daily now and 
enjoying it.


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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I've had good experiences with Goodyear in the past, which was why I had them 
on the car recently. The only mistake was buying them from Dead Sam's.  I have 
to assume they were Dead Sam spec tires as opposed to their main line brand.

When we returned to Florida in 2010 and I was making barely $11/hour just to 
get back in the school system, the youngest boy's 2005 Ford Focus needed tires 
badly. I put a set of Tires Plus' house brand (Primewell) on the car for a 
little over $200. We got nearly 40k miles out of them.

Dan

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On Jun 3, 2015, at 11:09 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> Kleb sez: I have gotten to where I just about only buy Michelin
>> 
>> Sent from my OkiePhone
> 
> Almost every michelin I've had slipped belts.  In my experience they are 
> worth nowhere near the money.
> Same with badyear, except the Quantum came with a set of high end goodyears 
> that were very good tires.We wore em out.  Generals have been ok summer 
> tires, but terrible (scary) on snow.
> 
> I know other have had bad experience with German Continentals, but I'd had 
> very good experiences with German made tires, and also with the french Kleber.
> 
> I had one set of Pirellis (made in usa) on the burgundy SDL when I bought it. 
>  All 4 slipped belts within 50  miles on a MBCA event. THAT was a fun ride 
> home!  It was like being on some carnival car with elliptical wheels mounted 
> at an angle.   up and down and sideways, all over the place, all out of 
> phase, and hoping not more than one popped before we got home, 'cause there 
> is only one spare! It was a long slow trip home
> 
> Jokohamas came apart  on I-80 (not hot) and caused $2500 damage to the TE.
> 
> My daughter put cheep chinee tars on the SL because 14" tars were hard to 
> find.  They all slipped belts /bubbled.
> 
> in my experience Merkun and Japanee radial tars seldom wear out, they slip 
> belts or in the case of jokohamas, fly apart and cause a lot of damage.
> 
> Blizzaks have been good.  No problems with any of them.  I've worn out a few 
> sets.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 wagon water woe

2015-06-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

It's a good thing I didn't put the carpet back in yet, after a hard rain
last night there is water on the passenger floor again.  Less water than
before, so progress has been made.

Read on peach parts that on some 124 cars, the front drain tubes shrink
with age and the bottom end pulls back into the A pillar.

I also researched the wagon roof luggage rack, and each of the side rails
have long rubber seals under them.  If that is the source of the leak, I'm
not looking forward to removing the headline to pull those rails and
replace the rubber seals.
-
Max
Charleston SC


For years, the 81 240D leaked on your foot if driving in the rain, 
but there was no problem to be found.  I kept it under roof to 
prevent rusting, and we had it out of service for 10 years or so. 
Eventually the windshield gasket disintegrated, and had to be 
replaced.  Fortunately there was no serious rust in the windshield 
frame.  After the new glass and gasket, no leaks!  I'm driving it 
daily now and enjoying it.


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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

What's the best oil to use with Michelin tires?

-
Max
Charleston SC


Snake oil, of course

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Re: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao

2015-06-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I was thinking if someone had an OM60x turbo to stick in it, it could 
be a nice car.  I still don't see the "body stile."   (steps over the 
body)


The engine air intake looks wrong too.  just hanging out in space



That car looks totally mickey mouse.  I see that the cooling fan sits about
6 inches back from the shroud on the radiator, so something really odd is
going on there.  Also, the serp. belt has been replaced with a shorter
version to omit the AC compressor, so AC doesn't work.  Engine wiring and
coolant hoses also look strange.  No ABS?

Maybe the engine is not original, someone replaced the original six
cylinder with a four?  Or maybe they swapped the badge on the trunk?

Online EPC says the datacard is not available for that VIN.

On the positive side: Manual transmission, manual HVAC controls, manual
seats, maybe no sunroof?

-
Max
Charleston SC



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[MBZ] 124 wagon water woe

2015-06-03 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
It's a good thing I didn't put the carpet back in yet, after a hard rain
last night there is water on the passenger floor again.  Less water than
before, so progress has been made.

Read on peach parts that on some 124 cars, the front drain tubes shrink
with age and the bottom end pulls back into the A pillar.

I also researched the wagon roof luggage rack, and each of the side rails
have long rubber seals under them.  If that is the source of the leak, I'm
not looking forward to removing the headline to pull those rails and
replace the rubber seals.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
What's the best oil to use with Michelin tires?

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Kleb sez: I have gotten to where I just about only buy Michelin

Sent from my OkiePhone


Almost every michelin I've had slipped belts.  In my experience they 
are worth nowhere near the money.
Same with badyear, except the Quantum came with a set of high end 
goodyears that were very good tires.We wore em out.  Generals 
have been ok summer tires, but terrible (scary) on snow.


I know other have had bad experience with German Continentals, but 
I'd had very good experiences with German made tires, and also with 
the french Kleber.


I had one set of Pirellis (made in usa) on the burgundy SDL when I 
bought it.  All 4 slipped belts within 50  miles on a MBCA event. 
THAT was a fun ride home!  It was like being on some carnival car 
with elliptical wheels mounted at an angle.   up and down and 
sideways, all over the place, all out of phase, and hoping not more 
than one popped before we got home, 'cause there is only one spare! 
It was a long slow trip home


Jokohamas came apart  on I-80 (not hot) and caused $2500 damage to the TE.

My daughter put cheep chinee tars on the SL because 14" tars were 
hard to find.  They all slipped belts /bubbled.


in my experience Merkun and Japanee radial tars seldom wear out, they 
slip belts or in the case of jokohamas, fly apart and cause a lot of 
damage.


Blizzaks have been good.  No problems with any of them.  I've worn 
out a few sets.


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Re: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao

2015-06-03 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
That car looks totally mickey mouse.  I see that the cooling fan sits about
6 inches back from the shroud on the radiator, so something really odd is
going on there.  Also, the serp. belt has been replaced with a shorter
version to omit the AC compressor, so AC doesn't work.  Engine wiring and
coolant hoses also look strange.  No ABS?

Maybe the engine is not original, someone replaced the original six
cylinder with a four?  Or maybe they swapped the badge on the trunk?

Online EPC says the datacard is not available for that VIN.

On the positive side: Manual transmission, manual HVAC controls, manual
seats, maybe no sunroof?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:20 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> A 4 cyl 300D?  How dey do dat?
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Rick Knoble via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Rick Knoble" 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 3:37 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao
>
>
>  http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/5055658078.html
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The S430 has Michelins on it and they're very nice. 17" beasts, an optional 
tire size for this model.

I checked prices on them and they currently sell for around $175/tire. Ouch.

Dan

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> On Jun 3, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have gotten to where I just about only buy Michelin
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I have gotten to where I just about only buy Michelin

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> On Jun 3, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I would have to go back and look, but I think one was Goodyear and the other 
> was Bridgestone.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What brand?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have experienced two instances of failed belt in different sets of tires 
>>> recently. Both sets of tires were name brand tires purchased at different 
>>> big box stores.
>>> 
>>> Never again. I now only purchase name brand tires from a trusted tire 
>>> dealer.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Don't know.  How do you test for that?
 
 I was able to diagnose a slipped belt once by removing the tire and 
 rolling it on a flat surface, and it nearly fell over due to the "out of 
 round" condition caused by the slipped belt.  However, in that case the 
 symptom was steering wheel / front end shake at low speed.
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '87 300TD
 '95 E300
 
> On June 3, 2015 12:02:48 AM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:entry. Both sets were 
> Are your tires have a slipped belt?
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
The sayams clup tars are built to fail, so you keep coming back. 
Most I got there were replaced in about 20k miles.  I was getting 
tars 2-3 times per year, driving 50k /year in the SDL.


Walmert is likely the same, but we only bought one set of tars there, 
the 13" for #1 Son's 200D 2.4  They were miserable tars. unsafe at 
any speed, as it turned out.  almost no cord in them, so they burst 
easily, terrible rubber, so they wear fast.   Much worse than 
anything I got at Sayams.  I think within a year they were all gone. 
I bought new tars for the junker 300D in Indiana before I drove it 
home, so we put the 14" tars and wheels and hubcaps on the 200D.  It 
was hard to get 13" tars at the time.


I can't remember the brand, but the LAST pair of tars I got from 
Sayams Clup were a directional tar, and we actually wore them out on 
the 124 300D.  I don't think they were high mileage, but at least 
they lasted 6-7 years and didn't come apart or slip belts.


Best tars I've had have been contis made in germany from eurotar in 
NJ, before Continental bought General Tar in the USA.  Actually, all 
the Yurpeen tars I got from Eurotar were good.  I never had a failure 
from any of those tires.  Then eurotire changed hands or something, 
and the prices went wayup and they changed their focus to 
racing/rubber band tires so I quit buying there.  (and it got 
expensive to pay separate mounting/balancing)



I have experienced two instances of failed belt in different sets of 
tires recently. Both sets of tires were name brand tires purchased 
at different big box stores.


Never again. I now only purchase name brand tires from a trusted tire dealer.

Dan



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Re: [MBZ] There! I fixed it!!!

2015-06-03 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Sounds a bit like a former neighbor of mine.
> He had a diesel Jetta that was trying to overheat while he and his family
> were on holidays in the USA.
> He determined that the electric fan was not coming on but that the fan
> motor worked.
> If I recall, there was a problem with a relay.
> They were in Yellowstone Park if I recall and there was not much available
> locally but he found a length of household electrical wire and a household
> light switch and rigged it up so that he could turn on the fan from inside
> the car, manually. It got him home so that he could fix it properly.
>

I  did sommat similar with my 1980 Subaru BRAT, but did it proper with a
Radio Shack toggle switch and light under the dash.  When things got warm,
I hit the switch and the light reminded me to turn it off so as not to run
down the battery...

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao

2015-06-03 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

A 4 cyl 300D?  How dey do dat?

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao



http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/5055658078.html

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

My thoughts, too.

Wilton

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Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes



Are your tires have a slipped belt?

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On Jun 2, 2015, at 9:41 PM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Max,

Your symptoms seem a lot like what I have been experiencing with my 95 
E300D with 419,000 miles. Lower ball joints have been done as well a new 
shocks and damper. I had also changed the drives side tie rod. I probably 
need to change the other side as well as the idler arm rubber bush. Is 
there anything else I would need to replace?


Bob Massmann
Oregonia, Ohio
1995 E300D

-Original Message- From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:30 PM
To: Mercedes
Cc: Meade Dillon
Subject: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

'87 300TD, 124.193, 343k miles.  Help me with some diagnosis ideas 
please.
At highway speed, sometimes the steering wheel will shake, most of the 
time

it will not.  Today it would shake during a turn at highway speed, and
turning left or right would make it shake.  Occasionally, on the first
acceleration to highway speed, once I get above 50 mph or so, it will 
shake
while going straight, and then stop after 5 - 10 seconds.  After a 
shaking

episode, the car is fine for the rest of the day.

A few weeks ago I had the car aligned.  I've just installed a set of used
tires on the front axle; these were the best two taken off my '95 sedan a
couple weeks ago.

Paid extra for "Road Force" balancing:

http://www.gsp9700.com/search/findgsp9700.cfm

Most of the front-end components are fairly new and either OE from MB or
"Rusty" parts.  Struts, lower control arm inner bushings, ball joints,
idler arm bushings.  I'm not sure about the steering damper.  The wheel
bearings were checked and packed with fresh grease about 7 years / 40k
miles ago.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I would have to go back and look, but I think one was Goodyear and the other 
was Bridgestone.

Dan

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> On Jun 3, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> What brand?
> 
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>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have experienced two instances of failed belt in different sets of tires 
>> recently. Both sets of tires were name brand tires purchased at different 
>> big box stores.
>> 
>> Never again. I now only purchase name brand tires from a trusted tire dealer.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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>>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don't know.  How do you test for that?
>>> 
>>> I was able to diagnose a slipped belt once by removing the tire and rolling 
>>> it on a flat surface, and it nearly fell over due to the "out of round" 
>>> condition caused by the slipped belt.  However, in that case the symptom 
>>> was steering wheel / front end shake at low speed.
>>> -- 
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> '87 300TD
>>> '95 E300
>>> 
 On June 3, 2015 12:02:48 AM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
  wrote:entry. Both sets were 
 Are your tires have a slipped belt?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
easy:  Jack it up and spin the tire.  if it wobbles more than 3/16" 
the tire is bad





max sez: Don't know.  How do you test for that?

I was able to diagnose a slipped belt once by removing the tire and 
rolling it on a flat surface, and it nearly fell over due to the 
"out of round" condition caused by the slipped belt.  However, in 
that case the symptom was steering wheel / front end shake at low 
speed.

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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 3, 2015 12:02:48 AM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:

 >Are your tires have a slipped belt?


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Re: [MBZ] Another Car for Mao

2015-06-03 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/5055658078.html

Rick
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I looked at the pictures, but I didn't see a body stile.
Neither did I see the 2,3 litters on the engine.

At least it is NOT black!

15" bundts?  if so, they may be worth the price of the car.

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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
What brand?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I have experienced two instances of failed belt in different sets of tires 
> recently. Both sets of tires were name brand tires purchased at different big 
> box stores.
> 
> Never again. I now only purchase name brand tires from a trusted tire dealer.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Don't know.  How do you test for that?
>> 
>> I was able to diagnose a slipped belt once by removing the tire and rolling 
>> it on a flat surface, and it nearly fell over due to the "out of round" 
>> condition caused by the slipped belt.  However, in that case the symptom was 
>> steering wheel / front end shake at low speed.
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>>> On June 3, 2015 12:02:48 AM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>>  wrote:entry. Both sets were 
>>> Are your tires have a slipped belt?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I have experienced two instances of failed belt in different sets of tires 
recently. Both sets of tires were name brand tires purchased at different big 
box stores.

Never again. I now only purchase name brand tires from a trusted tire dealer.

Dan

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> On Jun 3, 2015, at 8:30 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Don't know.  How do you test for that?
> 
> I was able to diagnose a slipped belt once by removing the tire and rolling 
> it on a flat surface, and it nearly fell over due to the "out of round" 
> condition caused by the slipped belt.  However, in that case the symptom was 
> steering wheel / front end shake at low speed.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
>> On June 3, 2015 12:02:48 AM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:entry. Both sets were 
>> Are your tires have a slipped belt?
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Re: [MBZ] There! I fixed it!!!

2015-06-03 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Napmobile?  As in "nappy" or "take a nap"?
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On June 3, 2015 12:40:08 AM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>
>I recently resoldered the lamp-out warning unit in the Napmobile.


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Re: [MBZ] 124 Steering Wheel Shakes

2015-06-03 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Don't know.  How do you test for that?

I was able to diagnose a slipped belt once by removing the tire and rolling it 
on a flat surface, and it nearly fell over due to the "out of round" condition 
caused by the slipped belt.  However, in that case the symptom was steering 
wheel / front end shake at low speed.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On June 3, 2015 12:02:48 AM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>Are your tires have a slipped belt?
>


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[MBZ] Another Car for Mao

2015-06-03 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/cto/5055658078.html

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