[MBZ] Are W210 instrument clusters interchangeable?

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

The fuel gauge in my '97 E420 hasn't worked since I got it from K'leb a
couple years ago, so, after replacing the sender awhile back, I ordered a
cluster offa eBay from a '98 E320.  While the fuel gauge works, the tach
don't, and I got a "DEFECTIVE PANEL" error in the display.

Bad cluster?  Or incompatible?

Mitch
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Re: [MBZ] Are W210 instrument clusters interchangeable?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Todd would know.  He is the W210 guru.

Dan W140 guru


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> The fuel gauge in my '97 E420 hasn't worked since I got it from K'leb a 
> couple years ago, so, after replacing the sender awhile back, I ordered a 
> cluster offa eBay from a '98 E320.  While the fuel gauge works, the tach 
> don't, and I got a "DEFECTIVE PANEL" error in the display.  
> 
> Bad cluster?  Or incompatible?  
> 
> Mitch 
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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

A woman I work with swears by some sort of peanut butter powder for adding the 
PB flavor to smoothies and the like without the fat.

I can get specific information if you want it.

Dan


> On Jul 23, 2015, at 8:56 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Andrew wrote:
>> I must say I am disappointed at the lack of MATURITY of this group.
> 
> C'mon...
> With the well known cheapskate tenor of this group, you expect value
> in request for high end BlendTec recipes?
> Actually, my son sent us a BlendTec and we use it a couple times each week.
> We buy outdated reduced price veggies and fruits and blend the garbage
> to drink as smoothie.  When blended together with mostly okay fruit,
> the inherent rot and mold blend right out to okay.  Good source of
> fruit and fiber at low cost.  The Costco PB can't be beat for price.
> Dry roast peanuts cannot be found any more.  I used to grind bulk
> purchased DeafSmith nuts for PB when we lived in CO using a hand
> grinder to produce a product not unlike the Kirkland PB.  Even the 50#
> buckets of PB don't compare pricewise with the Kirkland as far as I
> have found.  The Kirkland stuff is from Portales NM.  Tell me I'm not
> a cheapskate.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Where not to drive Limos

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Which conversion?  The original one, or the one with the locomotive that turned 
it into future Coke cans?



I heard a story on NPR a few years ago about how many locomotive engineers 
suffer from PTSD after being involved in grade crossing accidents.  Imagine 
being in the cab of a locomotive and sitting there more or less powerless to 
stop what’s happening right in front of you.

Pretty tough to stop 10,000 tons in a short distance.

Dan


> On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:29 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11758225/1-tonne-freight-train-ploughs-into-limousine-at-level-crossing.html
> 
> Limo driver must have been going pretty fast to hop up crossways of the 
> railroad track.
> What make was it before the conversion?
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Re: [MBZ] Keep those 123 chassis' rolling

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

For now 

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> On Jul 24, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah yeah, i'm here.  Don't get your tin foil hats out just yet.  Its not
> quite as simple as they make it sound.  I won't get into here on a public
> forum, but you really don't have to worry.  I hate to break it to you, but
> none of us are special enough to warrant the huge amount of effort it takes
> a hacker to make something like this happen to take over the car your
> grandma drives to church.
> 
> But note that cars have had cellular phones in them for a really long
> time... ever hear of on-star?
> 
> And as for jobs in NJ... mine is just fine... I don't work for MBUSA, I
> work for another sister company.  And in this case too, things are not as
> simple as you read online and in the papers. Lots of people still in
> Montvale working away.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:29 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> 
 It's here - hackers can now take over a new car.
>>> 
>>> The original article is at:
>>> 
>>> http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
>>> 
>>> Craig
>> 
>> I hope Jaime is reading this.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity & ethics

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Hillary! went to Wellesley in the late 60s, liberal wymyn's college 
outside Bawstun, hotbed of liberal thought and action of the academic 
hippies of the times.  So that got her all energized. Hillary! was "bis 
sister" at Wellesley to my neighbor (when we lived near Bawstun), we are 
still friends, she looves Hillary! and shares pretty much the same 
beliefs.  She grew up in Auburn, IN, (not far from where I grew up) her 
family were all conservative (and her grandfather started a motor 
vehicle company way back when and made "trucks" for hauling big loads 
and had some involvement in the Auburn/Cord/Deusenberg businesses) but 
she got corrupted at Wellesley too.  I have another good friend whom I 
met when she was at Wellesley, her dad was a POW of the Germans in WW2 
for a coupla years, definitely not a liberal, and neither was my friend 
at the time I met her but she gradually got corrupted too.  Wellesley 
has gone over the edge with wymyn's political correctness.  All the 
Seven Sisters colleges are pretty much like that.  My SIL went to Mt. 
Holyoke and also got corrupted from the political indoctrination.  Just 
part of the package(s) there.


--R


On 7/23/15 7:43 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

One, Hillary Rodham. Her parents were ultra conservative, from a well to do 
Chicago suburb.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/hillary-worked-for-goldwater/

Something happened in college.



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Re: [MBZ] Where not to drive Limos

[Hertzing via Mercedes]

Was a Chrysler 300.  The engineer never could have come to a full stop.  But 
did apply the brakes till after the collision.  As a limo owner...  Easy to 
do...  I've never high sidded on a railroad but I've seen a hearse do it at a 
cemetery entrance I refused to enter.

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> On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:07 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Which conversion?  The original one, or the one with the locomotive that 
> turned it into future Coke cans?
> 
> 
> 
> I heard a story on NPR a few years ago about how many locomotive engineers 
> suffer from PTSD after being involved in grade crossing accidents.  Imagine 
> being in the cab of a locomotive and sitting there more or less powerless to 
> stop what’s happening right in front of you.
> 
> Pretty tough to stop 10,000 tons in a short distance.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:29 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11758225/1-tonne-freight-train-ploughs-into-limousine-at-level-crossing.html
>> 
>> Limo driver must have been going pretty fast to hop up crossways of the 
>> railroad track.
>> What make was it before the conversion?
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[MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No interest myself, just thought I would pass it along.  Seems like the seller 
has put a lo of money into it.

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2408353-1987-300-td-wagon-7000-obo.html#post12501049

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

He’s down to $5600, too, in case you done go to the end of the thread.

Dan


> On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> No interest myself, just thought I would pass it along.  Seems like the 
> seller has put a lo of money into it.
> 
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2408353-1987-300-td-wagon-7000-obo.html#post12501049
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The seller has smoked too much crack, it's way overpriced 

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> On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:03 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> No interest myself, just thought I would pass it along.  Seems like the 
> seller has put a lo of money into it.
> 
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2408353-1987-300-td-wagon-7000-obo.html#post12501049
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Some have suggested that.  I don’t know what diesel wagons are going for these 
days.  I know that vergasser W124 wagons are cheap as wine, regardless of the 
condition.

Dan




> On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:10 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The seller has smoked too much crack, it's way overpriced 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

His is about a $3500 car

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> On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:15 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Some have suggested that.  I don’t know what diesel wagons are going for 
> these days.  I know that vergasser W124 wagons are cheap as wine, regardless 
> of the condition.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:10 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The seller has smoked too much crack, it's way overpriced 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity & ethics

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 23/07/2015 4:34 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

WILTON wrote:

I'm volunteering my definition of it learned on Momma and
Daddy's laps and at their knees nearly 80 years ago - put
simply, integrity is the ability to do what is right when
nobody else is watching.

I would amend that just a bit because the "integrity" does
not strictly include anything about what is "right".  And
since each of us will have a slightly (or not so slight?)
difference of opinion about what is "right".

I think the term is better described as:
When no one is watching, to behave and act the same as when
the boss is watching.

The "boss" could be Mom, the guy who signs your paycheck, the
Commanding Officer, the TV news reporters, the voters, etc.

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I think I will stick with Wilton's definition.
Unfortunately, the "boss" could be some low life who expects you to cheat.

Most everyone knows the basic difference between right and wrong and we 
stick with what we believe to be right and not with what we think we 
might get away with, then the world will be a better place.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Why does this keep happening

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Unless you think you might enjoy doing it again, I would order a 
complete new set and change them all.


RB

On 23/07/2015 7:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Well the thing is this is the side that was not blown. The first side that was 
blown torqued down fine. I will just order 3 more and replace them.

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On Jul 23, 2015, at 7:22 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

Kaeleb,

Since the original issue was a blown head gasket, it seem most likely that
all the studs were way over torqued to failure on last assembly.

I make the suggestion that you replace the full set and start with "first
stretch".



On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


So if you recall I broke a head stud on the head gasket job in this
Koehler lawn mower engine. Got the new stud in and the 2 guide pins that
sit around the stud in the block. I think last time the head was on
cockeyed on the pins because they were both bent. Anyway I double and
tripled checked to make sore head was on them straight and flush with the
block. First torque setting is something like 16nm, then next stage is 35.5
or 300something inch pounds. First one in the 2nd stage snapped. Wtf? Now I
got to spend more money getting another one. I triple checked the torque
wrench. I don't get it. I knew I should have ordered more than 1 head stud.
What a pain in the rear.

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Re: [MBZ] Why does this keep happening

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Supposedly with this engine you replace the nuts but not the studs. In as case 
I think I know what happened this time. I forgot to put the but thick washers 
on that go between the head and the nut. Maybe that threw off the torque 
settings. I did order a complete set anyway 

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> On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:45 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Unless you think you might enjoy doing it again, I would order a complete new 
> set and change them all.
> 
> RB
> 
>> On 23/07/2015 7:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Well the thing is this is the side that was not blown. The first side that 
>> was blown torqued down fine. I will just order 3 more and replace them.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 7:22 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kaeleb,
>>> 
>>> Since the original issue was a blown head gasket, it seem most likely that
>>> all the studs were way over torqued to failure on last assembly.
>>> 
>>> I make the suggestion that you replace the full set and start with "first
>>> stretch".
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 So if you recall I broke a head stud on the head gasket job in this
 Koehler lawn mower engine. Got the new stud in and the 2 guide pins that
 sit around the stud in the block. I think last time the head was on
 cockeyed on the pins because they were both bent. Anyway I double and
 tripled checked to make sore head was on them straight and flush with the
 block. First torque setting is something like 16nm, then next stage is 35.5
 or 300something inch pounds. First one in the 2nd stage snapped. Wtf? Now I
 got to spend more money getting another one. I triple checked the torque
 wrench. I don't get it. I knew I should have ordered more than 1 head stud.
 What a pain in the rear.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity & ethics

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

+1

+1

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.


 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 14:07:16 -0400
 Subject: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity & ethics
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: wilt...@nc.rr.com

 Re. the unsavory crap (sham, "paper," classes) going on for nearly 
20 years at UNC-CH to accommodate athletes, an article in today's 
Raleigh "News and Observer," discusses two "working groups" 
(committee's) "looking at UNC integrity and policies."  Co-chair 
said that they "first want to define integrity."  To save 'em 
possibly several weeks of haggling, I'm volunteering my definition 
of it learned on Momma and Daddy's laps and at their knees nearly 
80 years ago - put simply, integrity is the ability to do what is 
right when nobody else is watching.



 > Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity & ethics

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Re. the unsavory crap (sham, "paper," classes) going on for nearly 
20 years at UNC-CH to accommodate athletes, an article in today's 
Raleigh "News and Observer," discusses two "working groups" 
(committee's) "looking at UNC integrity and policies."  Co-chair 
said that they "first want to define integrity."  To save 'em 
possibly several weeks of haggling, I'm volunteering my definition 
of it learned on Momma and Daddy's laps and at their knees nearly 80 
years ago - put simply, integrity is the ability to do what is right 
when nobody else is watching.


Wilton


Hear Here!  (stomping a a cane on the floor)

Attaboy!

I nominate Wilton for pres, chancellor or whatever they call the head 
honkey at UNC, and/or chair of the board of regents or whatever body 
is supposed to oversee the universities for the State!


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Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity & ethics

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I am so so glad I went to a small state college. I read about 
schools indoctrinating students and refusing to listen to other 
points of view and I'm horrified, that was not my experience at all. 
We were encouraged to disagree with our teachers, if you could back 
up your point they'd listen.Part of it, I suspect, is the program of 
study, in film and video if it looks good it is good. Broke a rule 
but got away with it? Awesome, good for you. Break a rule and the 
finished product sucks? Back to the drawing board. The other nice 
thing was that failure is just a learning experience that makes your 
next project better, nobody is perfect the first time and because of 
that we were encouraged to experiment which then made you better.
The kids in more "conventional" fields of study hated us. I had one 
design class where for a month we worked with crayons. Yeah crayons. 
You go out and try to make a crayon drawing that doesn't look like a 
crayon drawing and tell me how easy it is...

-Curt



Tain't so anymore.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity & ethics

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I would have an interesting story to tell about the wages of sin at 
UNC-CH, outside the whole football program, but it would violate my 
integrity to do so, so I won't.


But in universities, independent simple solutions are not 
acceptable, the school has to form committees to beat the issue to 
death and then come up with something that doesn't address the issue 
because actually doing so might offend someone.  Goes double for 
"integrity" because that is not valued much any more unless it fits 
some other agenda.


--R


You nailed that!

The other alternative is to make illegal threats to student,staff, 
faculty who know anything about the illegal/unethical activity,and 
sweep it under the rug.  I'm thinking it is about time to find my box 
of evidence and start making noise about 20 year old illegal actions. 
This approach is generally applied by the Univ to illegal activities 
they DON'T want discussed, because in the official doublespeek, "it 
never happened"


BTDT.  It ain't pretty!

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Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity & ethics

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Having worked at a big 10 school and an SEC school I totally agree and i
would abolish the NCAA.


We had "George Jefferson."  He looked and sounded like George 
Jefferson on the "Movin on up" TV show.  He real name was George. 
His last name was different but similar.


George's job was to pressure profs and TAs to make sure athaelites 
passed classes by any means (all condoned) and to make sure those of 
certain "equal" pigmentation passed classes and gragitated, using any 
means possible  (also condoned)


Before I could gragitate with an advanced degree (debris?) i was 
forced to go in and get a signature from George Jefferson.  It turned 
my stomach.  It turned my stomach to have to go in there and look at 
this little being  (not a man) and grovel for a signature.  It was 
very difficult to not speak the truth and just grovel for the 
signature.


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Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Location of this car?  Mobile website surfing stinks.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] Why does this keep happening

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Glad you figured that out, did you leave the washers off the other head too?
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Re: [MBZ] Where not to drive Limos

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 23/07/2015 4:29 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11758225/1-tonne-freight-train-ploughs-into-limousine-at-level-crossing.html

Limo driver must have been going pretty fast to hop up crossways of the 
railroad track.
What make was it before the conversion?

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So, is it the fault of the town or the railway for having the hump in 
the road,  or the fault of the limo service or limo builder for using or 
building a vehicle that is unable to negotiate the local roads?

Thankfully, all got out of the car before the train came.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I believe it was in Daytona Beach, FL.

Dan


> On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
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> 
> Location of this car?  Mobile website surfing stinks.
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Re: [MBZ] Where not to drive Limos

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Fault of the driver, unless the entity that designed or built that crossing can 
be proven to have not followed code or law or good engineering practice.
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'95 E300

On July 24, 2015 12:44:57 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>On 23/07/2015 4:29 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11758225/1-tonne-freight-train-ploughs-into-limousine-at-level-crossing.html
>>
>> Limo driver must have been going pretty fast to hop up crossways of
>the railroad track.
>> What make was it before the conversion?
>>
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>>
>Poor driver got hung up on the railway crossing.
>So, is it the fault of the town or the railway for having the hump in 
>the road,  or the fault of the limo service or limo builder for using
>or 
>building a vehicle that is unable to negotiate the local roads?
>Thankfully, all got out of the car before the train came.
>
>RB
>
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks Dan, pix look like FL.
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'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 24, 2015 12:48:17 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I believe it was in Daytona Beach, FL.
>
>Dan
>
>
>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> Location of this car?  Mobile website surfing stinks.
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[MBZ] Now THIS Guy is on Crack

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/2416689-1972-mercedes-280se-4-5-liter.html#post12568137

Really nice car, but $18,000??

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity & ethics

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Why does Penn State come to mind right now?

I worked at a major university for a couple of years while I attended school 
there.  While there can be some pretty sordid things that go on in the 
corporate world, I was stunned at some of the things I heard and saw while I 
was working there.  Convinced me it was not a long term thing for me….

Dan


> On Jul 24, 2015, at 2:00 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> I would have an interesting story to tell about the wages of sin at UNC-CH, 
>> outside the whole football program, but it would violate my integrity to do 
>> so, so I won't.
>> 
>> But in universities, independent simple solutions are not acceptable, the 
>> school has to form committees to beat the issue to death and then come up 
>> with something that doesn't address the issue because actually doing so 
>> might offend someone.  Goes double for "integrity" because that is not 
>> valued much any more unless it fits some other agenda.
>> 
>> --R
> 
> You nailed that!
> 
> The other alternative is to make illegal threats to student,staff, faculty 
> who know anything about the illegal/unethical activity,and sweep it under the 
> rug.  I'm thinking it is about time to find my box of evidence and start 
> making noise about 20 year old illegal actions. This approach is generally 
> applied by the Univ to illegal activities they DON'T want discussed, because 
> in the official doublespeek, "it never happened"
> 
> BTDT.  It ain't pretty!
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Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity & ethics

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> On July 24, 2015 at 12:55 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Why does Penn State come to mind right now?

You mean the place where a former assistant coach kept raping little boys in the
locker room long after he retired?

Where the so-called whistleblower, upon finding a felony in progress (retiree
sodomizing a boy who appeared to be ten years old), ran home to phone his daddy
for advise on what to do about it, before waiting until the next day to inform
school officials (not campus police) what he saw?

The worst part of it is, if the testicle deficient young man who witnessed the
rape had done the right thing (tackle the rapist and call the police to come get
feces/blood samples off the guy's penis for DNA testing) he probably would never
get another job in a university setting again.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon

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> On July 24, 2015 at 10:16 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> His is about a $3500 car

Spending a ton of money bringing a car up to snuff does not raise its market
value a corresponding amount, 
but it does make the car a much better deal at $3500 than a $2500 car that still
needs all that stuff done 
to it. 

Mitch. 

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Re: [MBZ] Why does this keep happening

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 24, 2015 at 12:02 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Supposedly with this engine you replace the nuts but not the studs. In as case
> I think I know what happened this time. I forgot to put the but thick washers
> on that go between the head and the nut. Maybe that threw off the torque
> settings. I did order a complete set anyway 

Any chance the nuts bottomed out without the washers and you twisted the studs
off when you ran out of threads?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

A common line of thinking on Craigslist.  “I just put an exorbitant amount of 
money into this car so now it’s worth that and more.”

Never seems to work out, either.

Dan


> On Jul 24, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Spending a ton of money bringing a car up to snuff does not raise its market
> value a corresponding amount, 
> but it does make the car a much better deal at $3500 than a $2500 car that 
> still
> needs all that stuff done 
> to it. 
> 
> Mitch. 
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Exactly. Otherwise it would be a 2-2.5k car like you say. Maybe even less. 124 
diesels are almost free these days around here. There was a decent 87 300d on 
cl a couple months ago that would not start after a filter change. Somebody 
bought it as I saw it in the last couple of weeks, runs and drives now. Price 
was $1900. Several weeks later it is now $900 and the ad is still up so I 
assume he has not sold it. I have a rough 87TD with a #17 head I but on cl for 
$1500 to see if there would be any action and I have got no bites.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On July 24, 2015 at 10:16 AM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> His is about a $3500 car
> 
> Spending a ton of money bringing a car up to snuff does not raise its market
> value a corresponding amount, 
> but it does make the car a much better deal at $3500 than a $2500 car that 
> still
> needs all that stuff done 
> to it. 
> 
> Mitch. 
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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I searched PB recipes for the Blendtec but you have to add oil and honey.
:(  Or, use a spatula every 20 seconds to scrape it down.

Made a Blendtec drink this AM using fresh frozen blueberries, whole organic
strawberries (from Costco - with their tops), a few large whie seedless
grapes, half a cara cara orange (from Costco), and 3/4 cup of ice.  More
like a slushie but quite delish!

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A woman I work with swears by some sort of peanut butter powder for adding
> the PB flavor to smoothies and the like without the fat.
>
> I can get specific information if you want it.
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Jul 23, 2015, at 8:56 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Andrew wrote:
> >> I must say I am disappointed at the lack of MATURITY of this group.
> >
> > C'mon...
> > With the well known cheapskate tenor of this group, you expect value
> > in request for high end BlendTec recipes?
> > Actually, my son sent us a BlendTec and we use it a couple times each
> week.
> > We buy outdated reduced price veggies and fruits and blend the garbage
> > to drink as smoothie.  When blended together with mostly okay fruit,
> > the inherent rot and mold blend right out to okay.  Good source of
> > fruit and fiber at low cost.  The Costco PB can't be beat for price.
> > Dry roast peanuts cannot be found any more.  I used to grind bulk
> > purchased DeafSmith nuts for PB when we lived in CO using a hand
> > grinder to produce a product not unlike the Kirkland PB.  Even the 50#
> > buckets of PB don't compare pricewise with the Kirkland as far as I
> > have found.  The Kirkland stuff is from Portales NM.  Tell me I'm not
> > a cheapskate.
> > mao
> >
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Why does this keep happening

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

 > On July 24, 2015 at 12:02 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"

  wrote:


 Supposedly with this engine you replace the nuts but not the 
studs. In as case
 I think I know what happened this time. I forgot to put the but 
thick washers

 on that go between the head and the nut. Maybe that threw off the torque
 settings. I did order a complete set anyway


Any chance the nuts bottomed out without the washers and you twisted the studs
off when you ran out of threads?

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I wasn’t suggesting making peanut butter, I was pointing out that there is a 
product out there that provides the flavor of peanut butter without the fat and 
oils.  It’s called "PB2”.

Dan

> On Jul 24, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I searched PB recipes for the Blendtec but you have to add oil and honey.  :( 
>  Or, use a spatula every 20 seconds to scrape it down.
>  
> Made a Blendtec drink this AM using fresh frozen blueberries, whole organic 
> strawberries (from Costco - with their tops), a few large whie seedless 
> grapes, half a cara cara orange (from Costco), and 3/4 cup of ice.  More like 
> a slushie but quite delish!
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I know.  Stream of consciousness at work here.

Revised recipe:  In addition to grapes, frozen blueberries, strawberries,
and half an orange I also added a few pieces of frozen banana.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I wasn’t suggesting making peanut butter, I was pointing out that there is
> a product out there that provides the flavor of peanut butter without the
> fat and oils.  It’s called "PB2”.
>
> Dan
>
> > On Jul 24, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > I searched PB recipes for the Blendtec but you have to add oil and
> honey.  :(  Or, use a spatula every 20 seconds to scrape it down.
> >
> > Made a Blendtec drink this AM using fresh frozen blueberries, whole
> organic strawberries (from Costco - with their tops), a few large whie
> seedless grapes, half a cara cara orange (from Costco), and 3/4 cup of
> ice.  More like a slushie but quite delish!
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Gotcha.

Friend of mine did the super-duper power blender that destroys everything in 
its path diet for a month.  Definitely lost weight, but said he felt like he 
was a baby or invalid since he never ate solid food.

Dan

> On Jul 24, 2015, at 4:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I know.  Stream of consciousness at work here.
>  
> Revised recipe:  In addition to grapes, frozen blueberries, strawberries, and 
> half an orange I also added a few pieces of frozen banana.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

the peanut fats and oils are actually the good fats and oils, though a 
lot of calories come with them


I make smoovies like that occasionally but use unsweetened vanilla 
almond milk so it isn't as slushy


--R



On 7/24/15 4:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I wasn’t suggesting making peanut butter, I was pointing out that there is a product 
out there that provides the flavor of peanut butter without the fat and oils.  It’s 
called "PB2”.

Dan


On Jul 24, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:

I searched PB recipes for the Blendtec but you have to add oil and honey.  :(  
Or, use a spatula every 20 seconds to scrape it down.
  
Made a Blendtec drink this AM using fresh frozen blueberries, whole organic strawberries (from Costco - with their tops), a few large whie seedless grapes, half a cara cara orange (from Costco), and 3/4 cup of ice.  More like a slushie but quite delish!




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Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity & ethics

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

T'is where I went to school. I know the head of the department, he was just 
starting out when I was about halfway through school. We talk about the old 
days and very little has changed there base curriculum wise. The tools are 
different now but the theory is the same. We also get a number of interns from 
there where I work now. They come out as good as ever, of course you get the 
occasional knuckle head but the internship program is kind of a last quality 
control check...
-Curt
  From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 2:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - UNC-CH integrity & ethics
   


>I am so so glad I went to a small state college. I read about 
>schools indoctrinating students and refusing to listen to other 
>points of view and I'm horrified, that was not my experience at all. 
>We were encouraged to disagree with our teachers, if you could back 
>up your point they'd listen.Part of it, I suspect, is the program of 
>study, in film and video if it looks good it is good. Broke a rule 
>but got away with it? Awesome, good for you. Break a rule and the 
>finished product sucks? Back to the drawing board. The other nice 
>thing was that failure is just a learning experience that makes your 
>next project better, nobody is perfect the first time and because of 
>that we were encouraged to experiment which then made you better.
>The kids in more "conventional" fields of study hated us. I had one 
>design class where for a month we worked with crayons. Yeah crayons. 
>You go out and try to make a crayon drawing that doesn't look like a 
>crayon drawing and tell me how easy it is...
>-Curt
>

Tain't so anymore.


   
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD Wagon

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I think you guys are confirmed bottom-feeders, struggling to justify why the 
old adage about a cheap Mercedes is wrong.

Assuming the seller is not lying, a low mile and rust free diesel wagon that is 
not "rough" should easily be worth twice "what they go for all the time".  
Local market will drive the price.

If I were shopping for another wagon, I'd be all over that.
-- 
Max Dillon (who paid too much for his wagon)
Charleston SC
'87 300TD 
'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Angie got a bottle of it, awful stuff...
The fats are what makes peanut butter good and the fats are probably good for 
you. Science is finally starting to finally get its collective head around how 
bad for us a low fat diet is...
-Curt
  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 To: Okie Benz  
Cc: Dan Penoff  
 Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 4:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?
   
I wasn’t suggesting making peanut butter, I was pointing out that there is a 
product out there that provides the flavor of peanut butter without the fat and 
oils.  It’s called "PB2”.

Dan



> On Jul 24, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I searched PB recipes for the Blendtec but you have to add oil and honey.  :( 
>  Or, use a spatula every 20 seconds to scrape it down.
>  
> Made a Blendtec drink this AM using fresh frozen blueberries, whole organic 
> strawberries (from Costco - with their tops), a few large whie seedless 
> grapes, half a cara cara orange (from Costco), and 3/4 cup of ice.  More like 
> a slushie but quite delish!
> 


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[MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Oh what have I gotten myself into this time?
Fred, Buster and I went down to CT today and picked up a 2005 Golf TDI. It 
looks pretty good although both front fenders have what looks like parking lot 
damage. The interior is good, no real rust underneath, engine starts good and 
sounds good. The weird thing is after I'd backed it up about 5 feet the 
transmission seemed to lock right up. Strangely with it out of gear it rolls 
fine... We farted around with it a few minutes. I even had Tom drive it, he 
couldn't seem to believe it, the look on his face was priceless. He'd moved the 
car around recently and it was fine.So we rolled it up onto the trailer 
(dragged it up the hill with my old '84 190D that I then donated to Tom's 
program for kids) and interestingly when we unloaded it it drove okay. It 
protested and made sounds like a locked up CV joint but it went.
It did act kind of like a locked up CV joint but since the differential didn't 
make the other wheel spin maybe its 2 locked up CVs? That seems unlikely.
Anyway we dragged it to my VW Guru who will have a look at it next week. I got 
it for about triple the standard Kaleb price at which point I think even if the 
car is junk I'll still come out okay...
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

--R wrote:
> the peanut fats and oils are actually the good fats and oils, though a lot
> of calories come with them
>
> I make smoovies like that occasionally but use unsweetened vanilla almond
> milk so it isn't as slushy

+1
+1

Both are wonderful comments - thanks.
I abhor the rape of food, removing fat, adding fake sweet, etc.
I want fuel for my brain and fat does that.
Too much fear and loathing of the food supply.  Good food is becoming rare.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

-Curt wrote:
> The fats are what makes peanut butter good...

Isn't fat the primary flavor element in food? i.e. marbled steak, not
fatfree steak.

I'm not sure about "...Science is finally starting to finally get its
collective head around how bad for us a low fat diet is..."  I see
more zero fat, and lowfat, in the yogurt offerings.  I want full fat
Stonyfield/BrownCow/others.  I theorize that obese comes from fatfree
and lowfat.  Body is not sated and eats more.

What we don't want is the usual offerings of PB that adds hydrogenated
oils and hfcs or sweetener.  PB is great - we eat Portales, NM
Kirkland PB daily.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> I'm not sure about "...Science is finally starting to finally get its
> collective head around how bad for us a low fat diet is..."  I see
> more zero fat, and lowfat, in the yogurt offerings.
>

There is little to no relationship between science and what's on the
shelves. Marketing drives what you find on the shelves - demand by
advertising.

Yes, you need fat for your nerves to work . . .



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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Maple syrup, a couple big scoops of vanilla ice cream and a splash of heavy 
cream make a nice smoothy...
Best if you could get the ice cream from the amish guy I met in Michigan last 
year. Used an ice cream maker belted to a 100 year old John Deere hit and miss 
engine. So good you wanted to eat the cup.
-Curt
  From: Mountain Man via Mercedes 
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Cc: Mountain Man  
 Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 6:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?
   
--R wrote:
> the peanut fats and oils are actually the good fats and oils, though a lot
> of calories come with them
>
> I make smoovies like that occasionally but use unsweetened vanilla almond
> milk so it isn't as slushy

+1
+1

Both are wonderful comments - thanks.
I abhor the rape of food, removing fat, adding fake sweet, etc.
I want fuel for my brain and fat does that.
Too much fear and loathing of the food supply.  Good food is becoming rare.
mao



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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Curt wrote:
> > The fats are what makes peanut butter good...

> Mountain wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure about "...Science is finally starting to
> finally get its collective head around how bad for us a low
> fat diet is..."  I see more zero fat, and lowfat, in the
> yogurt offerings.

There can be a long, long distance between science and marketing.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Sounds like a money pit.  Mileage?
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'95 E300

On July 24, 2015 6:11:45 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Oh what have I gotten myself into this time?
>Fred, Buster and I went down to CT today and picked up a 2005 Golf TDI.
>It looks pretty good although both front fenders have what looks like
>parking lot damage. The interior is good, no real rust underneath,
>engine starts good and sounds good. The weird thing is after I'd backed
>it up about 5 feet the transmission seemed to lock right up. Strangely
>with it out of gear it rolls fine... We farted around with it a few
>minutes. I even had Tom drive it, he couldn't seem to believe it, the
>look on his face was priceless. He'd moved the car around recently and
>it was fine.So we rolled it up onto the trailer (dragged it up the hill
>with my old '84 190D that I then donated to Tom's program for kids) and
>interestingly when we unloaded it it drove okay. It protested and made
>sounds like a locked up CV joint but it went.
>It did act kind of like a locked up CV joint but since the differential
>didn't make the other wheel spin maybe its 2 locked up CVs? That seems
>unlikely.
>Anyway we dragged it to my VW Guru who will have a look at it next
>week. I got it for about triple the standard Kaleb price at which point
>I think even if the car is junk I'll still come out okay...
>-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

But can it do this:

http://jalopnik.com/watch-a-volkswagen-diesel-totally-dominate-a-ferrari-at-1719359271

Dan rollin’ coal


> On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:33 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Sounds like a money pit.  Mileage?
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On July 24, 2015 6:11:45 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Oh what have I gotten myself into this time?
>> Fred, Buster and I went down to CT today and picked up a 2005 Golf TDI.
>> It looks pretty good although both front fenders have what looks like
>> parking lot damage. The interior is good, no real rust underneath,
>> engine starts good and sounds good. The weird thing is after I'd backed
>> it up about 5 feet the transmission seemed to lock right up. Strangely
>> with it out of gear it rolls fine... We farted around with it a few
>> minutes. I even had Tom drive it, he couldn't seem to believe it, the
>> look on his face was priceless. He'd moved the car around recently and
>> it was fine.So we rolled it up onto the trailer (dragged it up the hill
>> with my old '84 190D that I then donated to Tom's program for kids) and
>> interestingly when we unloaded it it drove okay. It protested and made
>> sounds like a locked up CV joint but it went.
>> It did act kind of like a locked up CV joint but since the differential
>> didn't make the other wheel spin maybe its 2 locked up CVs? That seems
>> unlikely.
>> Anyway we dragged it to my VW Guru who will have a look at it next
>> week. I got it for about triple the standard Kaleb price at which point
>> I think even if the car is junk I'll still come out okay...
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Manual or auto?  If an auto, check the fancy flywheel.

Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I don't think so, 150,000 miles give or take a bit.
-Curt

  From: Max Dillon 
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 Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
   
Sounds like a money pit. Mileage?
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300



On July 24, 2015 6:11:45 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
Oh what have I gotten myself into this time?
Fred, Buster and I went down to CT today and picked up a 2005 Golf TDI. It 
looks pretty good although both front fenders have what looks like parking lot 
damage. The interior is good, no real rust underneath, engine starts good and 
sounds good. The weird thing is after I'd backed it up about 5 feet the 
transmission seemed to lock right up. Strangely with it out of gear it rolls 
fine... We farted around with it a few minutes. I even had Tom drive it, he 
couldn't seem to believe it, the look on his face was priceless. He'd moved the 
car around recently and it was fine.So we rolled it up onto the trailer 
(dragged it up the hill with my old '84 190D that I then donated to Tom's 
program for kids) and interestingly when we unloaded it it drove okay. It 
protested and made sounds like a locked up CV joint but it went.
It did act kind of like a locked up CV joint but since the differential didn't 
make the other wheel
spin maybe its 2 locked up CVs? That seems unlikely.
Anyway we dragged it to my VW Guru who will have a look at it next week. I got 
it for about triple the standard Kaleb price at which point I think even if the 
car is junk I'll still come out okay...
-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Manual, its still got the fancy flywheel.
VW Guru and I discussed the possibility of the DMF (dual mass flywheel) being 
the problem but can't see how it would lock up the transmission. The clutch 
still works, it just won't turn the wheels.
-Curt

  From: Bob Rentfro 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List ; Curt Raymond 
 
 Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
   
Manual or auto?  If an auto, check the fancy flywheel.Bob R

  
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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

It is the adulterated fats that kill.  Natural fats, as nature 
intended are necessary for life, but not available in prepared foods. 
Raw, not GMO foods have fats that are unadulterated.  almonds, 
Macadamia nuts, black walnuts, hickory nuts are all good sources, as 
are organically grown animals who are not fed GMO grain.  old 
varieties of peanuts grown organically should be good also.  I'm 
guessing Monsanto/dupont etc. manufactures most peanuts grown as a 
crop, so they won't be good.


All we need to exist is Omega 6 fatty acids and Omega 3 fatty acids. 
The body manufactures every thing else from these two basics.





Angie got a bottle of it, awful stuff...
The fats are what makes peanut butter good and the fats are probably 
good for you. Science is finally starting to finally get its 
collective head around how bad for us a low fat diet is...

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Maple syrup, a couple big scoops of vanilla ice cream and a splash 
of heavy cream make a nice smoothy...
Best if you could get the ice cream from the amish guy I met in 
Michigan last year. Used an ice cream maker belted to a 100 year old 
John Deere hit and miss engine. So good you wanted to eat the cup.

-Curt


Real milk is so much better for you and for ice cream.  It is hard to 
find real milk.  In this state it is illegal.
Same for Maple surp  THAT is real food.  Monsanto does not have GMO 
maple trees.


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[MBZ] Fats and EFAs Wuz: Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

-Curt wrote:

 The fats are what makes peanut butter good...


Isn't fat the primary flavor element in food? i.e. marbled steak, not
fatfree steak.


Yes



I'm not sure about "...Science is finally starting to finally get its
collective head around how bad for us a low fat diet is..."  I see
more zero fat, and lowfat, in the yogurt offerings.  I want full fat
Stonyfield/BrownCow/others.  I theorize that obese comes from fatfree
and lowfat.  Body is not sated and eats more.


There are a few doctors who are figuring out the profession has been 
manipulated to benefit the drug pushers.




What we don't want is the usual offerings of PB that adds hydrogenated
oils and hfcs or sweetener.  PB is great - we eat Portales, NM
Kirkland PB daily.
mao


Mao, you have JB Sanfillippo in your front yard.  Jasper's PB from 
Sanfillippo (used to have The Home Economist retail stores) is a 
natural PB.


For all:

Read this article 2-3 times.  It is hard to absorb all the 
terminology and the research in one pass.


http://www.brianpeskin.com/BP.com/about/PeskinPrimer.pdf

My cardiologist is absolutely clueless, a complete slave to the 
(legal) drug pushers.  Most doctors are slaves to the drug pushers.


The first couple ebooks on this list are worth reading also.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=lee+hieb

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Should last at least a few more years?
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'95 E300

On July 24, 2015 9:11:50 PM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I don't think so, 150,000 miles give or take a bit.
>-Curt
>
>  From: Max Dillon 
>To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List
> 
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Golf TDI
>   
>Sounds like a money pit. Mileage?


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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

What's wrong with GMO food?  Don't make me lump you in with the Global Warming 
religion nut cases worshipping Gaia...
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Charleston SC
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'95 E300

On July 25, 2015 12:27:11 AM EDT, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>It is the adulterated fats that kill.  Natural fats, as nature 
>intended are necessary for life, but not available in prepared foods. 
>Raw, not GMO foods have fats that are unadulterated.  almonds, 
>Macadamia nuts, black walnuts, hickory nuts are all good sources, as 
>are organically grown animals who are not fed GMO grain.  old 
>varieties of peanuts grown organically should be good also.  I'm 
>guessing Monsanto/dupont etc. manufactures most peanuts grown as a 
>crop, so they won't be good.
>
>All we need to exist is Omega 6 fatty acids and Omega 3 fatty acids. 
>The body manufactures every thing else from these two basics.
>
>
>
>>Angie got a bottle of it, awful stuff...
>>The fats are what makes peanut butter good and the fats are probably 
>>good for you. Science is finally starting to finally get its 
>>collective head around how bad for us a low fat diet is...
>>-Curt
>>
>
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[MBZ] Cool off this summer.

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Not so Hawaiian Shave ice

http://en.rocketnews24.com/2015/07/22/chill-out-with-a-tasty-shaved-ice-treat-from-mercede-benzs-ice-monster-tie-in-shop/

Maybe Andrew can make this with his new sumbeam blender


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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The debate now is focussed on Congressional legislation to prohibit States
from requiring food producers to divulge the presence of GMOs on labels.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What's wrong with GMO food?  Don't make me lump you in with the Global
> Warming religion nut cases worshipping Gaia...
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On July 25, 2015 12:27:11 AM EDT, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >It is the adulterated fats that kill.  Natural fats, as nature
> >intended are necessary for life, but not available in prepared foods.
> >Raw, not GMO foods have fats that are unadulterated.  almonds,
> >Macadamia nuts, black walnuts, hickory nuts are all good sources, as
> >are organically grown animals who are not fed GMO grain.  old
> >varieties of peanuts grown organically should be good also.  I'm
> >guessing Monsanto/dupont etc. manufactures most peanuts grown as a
> >crop, so they won't be good.
> >
> >All we need to exist is Omega 6 fatty acids and Omega 3 fatty acids.
> >The body manufactures every thing else from these two basics.
> >
> >
> >
> >>Angie got a bottle of it, awful stuff...
> >>The fats are what makes peanut butter good and the fats are probably
> >>good for you. Science is finally starting to finally get its
> >>collective head around how bad for us a low fat diet is...
> >>-Curt
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Local "farm" has a small grocery store with mostly local products, including 
raw milk.   Priced at about 2x homogenized milk, they couldn't keep it in 
stock, kept increasing the price until they found the market price, which is 
like $8 a half gallon.

I grew up on raw milk, straight from the nearest neighbors dairy farm.  Store 
milk is like water to me, nothing in it.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 25, 2015 12:47:35 AM EDT, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>
>Real milk is so much better for you and for ice cream.  It is hard to 
>find real milk.  In this state it is illegal.
>Same for Maple surp  THAT is real food.  Monsanto does not have GMO 
>maple trees.
>


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Re: [MBZ] Way OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Local "farm" has a small grocery store with mostly local products, 
including raw milk.   Priced at about 2x homogenized milk, they 
couldn't keep it in stock, kept increasing the price until they 
found the market price, which is like $8 a half gallon.


I grew up on raw milk, straight from the nearest neighbors dairy 
farm.  Store milk is like water to me, nothing in it.

--
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300


It has a clinton connection:  whitewater

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[MBZ] GMO Wuz: OT: Blendtec recipes, anyone?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

What's wrong with GMO food?  Don't make me lump you in with the 
Global Warming religion nut cases worshipping Gaia...

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300


As long as you don't group me with wacko the insane!   Its all good.

I don't understand what is wrong with GMO food myself.  What I can 
tell you is that products made from GMO corn turn my insides out. 
This leads me to be skeptical of beef and pork and chicken and turkey 
fed GMO grain, and even venison here where most of their diet is gmo 
corn.


Is it the Bt?  could be, it is a poison bred into the plant.  Is it 
something else?  Could be.  I started having trouble with corn 
products 30 years, which just about coincides with when the first Bt 
corn came out.  I have no science.  Just results of trial and error 
food elimination.


What I have been able to figure out is that when I was a kid, all our 
food came from the farm, except sometimes bread.  Then we started 
buying milk in  place of milking a Hereford.  and so it went until 
here we are now.  Almost nothing is homegrown or farm fresh, or eaten 
in season.


BTW, had the first helping of homegrown green beans tonight, along 
with a heritage black cherry tomato.  Great real food!  Had a nice 
crop of sugar pea pods this summer so far.Way better than cat 
poop jelly!


So I am seeking out things to do with exotic grains that Monsanto has 
not heard of, and new types of those exotic seeds (grains)


IMHO, it is a conservative approach.  Conserve.  Conservation.  It is 
what we all do with our old MBs. Not a trendy term.  The state 
conservation commissions set up to conserve natural resources, have 
become DNRs with  the mission of dictating who gets to use natural 
resources.  The socialist approach, not a conservation or 
conservative approach.


Even andrew is a conservative at heart, as are all liberals.  He does 
an excellent job conserving old MBs.


When GMO is only accelerating the plant selection that has been done 
for eons, I don't have a problem with it.  When GMO is grafting in 
bits of other organisms, we may run into trouble.  Such may be the 
case with Bt grains.


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