ROTFLMAO
Thanks for that Norm.
Cheers,
Dave
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Tom C wrote:
If running around the house at warp speed all day and night means
she's broken, then yes she's broken.:-)
Dave
Star Cat, it's five year mission to, to seek out new rodents
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Today my attempt to kill my captors by weaving around their feet while
they were walking almost succeeded; must try this at the top of the
stairs.
So, you have seen our cat Lucy in action then. So far she has managed
only to make me spill a
From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think the average DSLR user does shoot .jpg. Unless one is *really*
serious, the 'good enough' of .jpgs is pretty good for most people. I'd
venture to say that most DSLR users still don't want take the time to post
process their images like many here on
On May 15, 2007, at 8:20 PM, Cotty wrote:
I think of DPReview as porn. I go there to look at the pictures, then
words just get in the way.
Finally, Cotty understands the internet.
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From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/05/15 Tue PM 07:24:36 GMT
To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net
Subject: RE: Amazon buys dpreview.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of graywolf
Sent: 15 May 2007 18:30
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/05/15 Tue PM 07:47:42 GMT
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
It wouldn't be all that expensive. How many lens mounts are there in
Digital currently?
Pentax, Canon, Minolta, Nikon, 4/3
the default
settings, and never use RAW.
If you're happy with that approach, fine. For me, it's completely
useless. One might as well buy a simple ps camera.
John
On Tue, 15 May 2007 23:01:41 +0100, Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Dario Bonazza
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
You're probably right about that.
mike wilson wrote:
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/05/15 Tue PM 07:47:42 GMT
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Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
It wouldn't be all that expensive. How many lens mounts are there in
Digital
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From: mike wilson
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
I think the average DSLR user does shoot .jpg. Unless one is *really*
serious, the 'good enough' of .jpgs is pretty good for most people. I'd
venture to say that most DSLR users still don't want take
The pro guys I deal with are mostly shooting jpg. The exceptions are when
they feel the need for the extra WB control, although even then, they aren't
doing much beyond using the default conversion to jpg.
William Robb
That's odd. Even the wedding shooters I know shoot RAW in order
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
The pro guys I deal with are mostly shooting jpg. The exceptions are when
they feel the need for the extra WB control, although even then, they
aren't
doing much beyond using the default
skilles, or am I talking
nonsense? ;-)
Tim Typo
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Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
The pro guys I deal with are mostly shooting jpg
On May 15, 2007, at 8:20 PM, Cotty wrote:
I think of DPReview as porn. I go there to look at the pictures, then
words just get in the way.
Mark! if it hasn't been already.
:-)
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William Robb wrote:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
The pro guys I deal with are mostly shooting jpg. The exceptions are when
they feel the need for the extra WB control, although even then, they
aren't
doing much beyond
? ;-)
Tim Typo
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Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
The pro guys I deal with are mostly shooting jpg. The exceptions are when
On May 16, 2007, at 2:02 AM, mike wilson wrote:
Don't think there is an ADII for 4/3.
But since you can adapt almost anything else to 4/3 Mount, you could
still use an ADII lens on it.
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Not nonsense.
Overall, the DS metering calibration was setup for the JPEG defaults
(Bright color tone, etc) and underexposes RAW files by .3-.7 EV. This
takes a little more work in RAW conversion. The K10D's metering is
much more accurate for RAW capture, and I think now (with Camera Raw
On May 16, 2007, at 6:26 AM, William Robb wrote:
The pro guys I deal with are mostly shooting jpg. The exceptions
are when
they feel the need for the extra WB control, although even then,
they aren't
doing much beyond using the default conversion to jpg.
It is amazing to me how many
On 5/16/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
William Robb wrote:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
The pro guys I deal with are mostly shooting jpg. The exceptions are when
they feel the need for the extra WB control
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/05/16 Wed PM 01:26:56 GMT
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
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From: mike wilson
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
I think the average DSLR user does
- Original Message -
From: P. J. Alling
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
I've finally got one guy (an old newspaper shooter) talked into the
benefits
of RAW for his wedding portraits, but I've had to offer to show him how
to
do the conversions, and he'll still be shooting
The fact of the matter is that most folks would be far happier with a
PS. Of course, I, myself, use a point shoot in RAW mode... I feel
that for the few times I need the capabilities of a SLR I can shoot
film. My old PS can do most of the stuff I use digital for quite well,
if the manual
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From: David J Brooks
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
I joined a list??When did that happen
That was your cat, Dave.
Welcome to the PDML...
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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
It is amazing to me how many knowledgeable photographers do not
understand RAW capture and image processing at all. But it provides
me a business opportunity ... :-)
You've discovered that too
With ten million picture sites on the web, why would anyone join a list
to look at more pictures?
William Robb wrote:
The other list I am on is nowhere near as technically oriented as this one,
and has a very local focus. It's more a group of people sharing good
location information and
Harmless
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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
The pro guys I deal with are mostly shooting jpg. The exceptions are when
they feel the need
On 5/16/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: David J Brooks
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
I joined a list??When did that happen
That was your cat, Dave.
Welcome to the PDML...
I'm going to have to get her fixed then
Dave
William
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From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-
Herbert Keppler shoots jpegs. He has stated in Pop Photo that he doesn't
want to do image editing. I'll bet the great majority of DSLR users are
the same.
Agreed. But we were speaking
That's odd. Even the wedding shooters I know shoot RAW in order to get
that extended range. All of the magazine photogs and advertising
shooters I've met shoot RAW. The only pros I've met who don't shoot RAW
are newspaper sports guys.
Paul
-
Herbert Keppler shoots jpegs. He has stated in
As usual you miss or deliberately obfuscate the point.
Tom C.
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Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 11:37:50 +0100
DP Review's tests work
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From: David J Brooks
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
That was your cat, Dave.
Welcome to the PDML...
I'm going to have to get her fixed then
Is she broken?
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From: graywolf
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
The fact of the matter is that most folks would be far happier with a
PS.
The fact of the matter is that SLRs have been little more than glorified PS
cameras for the better part of 25 years. Why should
- Original Message -
From: graywolf
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
With ten million picture sites on the web, why would anyone join a list
to look at more pictures?
To quote you:
You are an idiot.
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William Robb wrote:
The pro guys I deal with are mostly shooting jpg. The exceptions are
when
they feel the need for the extra WB control, although even then, they
aren't
doing much beyond using the default conversion to jpg.
Is this mostly in a studio environment? JPEG makes sens there
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On May 16, 2007, at 6:26 AM, William Robb wrote:
The pro guys I deal with are mostly shooting jpg. The exceptions
are when
they feel the need for the extra WB control, although even then,
they aren't
doing much beyond using the default conversion to jpg.
It is
On the few occassions I've shot for the NY Times, they've asked only for hi-res
jpegs. I shot RAW, but they never requested the original files. However, none
of these were for what you would call hard news stories.
Paul
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From: Mark Roberts
William Robb wrote:
The fact of the matter is that SLRs have been little more than
glorified PS
cameras for the better part of 25 years. Why should they want something
different now?
http://theonlinephotographer.blogspot.com/2007/05/how-to-choose-digital-point-and-shoot.html
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No, but she will be.
William Robb wrote:
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From: David J Brooks
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
That was your cat, Dave.
Welcome to the PDML...
I'm going to have to get her fixed then
Is she broken?
William Robb
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- Original Message -
From: Mark Roberts
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
William Robb wrote:
The pro guys I deal with are mostly shooting jpg. The exceptions are
when
they feel the need for the extra WB control, although even then, they
aren't
doing much beyond using
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On the few occassions I've shot for the NY Times, they've asked only
for hi-res jpegs. I shot RAW, but they never requested the original
files. However, none of these were for what you would call hard news
stories.
And I expect they may be stricter with photogs who
Editors would never want RAW files unless they want to contract in-
house staff to do the image processing. That would be like asking
photographers to submit their unprocessed film.
They want finished photographs, not RAW exposures ... TIFF or JPEG
for digital capture submissions.
G
On May
Since any concerns would have to do with retouching, I would think they would
be stricter with freelance stringers.
Paul
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From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On the few occassions I've shot for the NY Times,
I think what Mark's earlier post suggested was that editors want RAW backup to
verify that the jpegs are unretouched.
Paul
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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Editors would never want RAW files unless they want to contract in-
house
On 5/16/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: David J Brooks
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
That was your cat, Dave.
Welcome to the PDML...
I'm going to have to get her fixed then
Is she broken?
If running around the house at warp
If running around the house at warp speed all day and night means
she's broken, then yes she's broken.:-)
Dave
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boxes, to boldly go where no feline has gone before.
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That may be a new thing happening. I haven't heard of it from my
friends in the local editorial photography organization as yet.
I can understand having RAW files for credentialing purposes, but not
for editorial submissions. Unless they always process them to JPEGs
on the RAW converters'
Tom C wrote:
If running around the house at warp speed all day and night means
she's broken, then yes she's broken.:-)
Dave
Star Cat, it's five year mission to, to seek out new rodents and new litter
boxes, to boldly go where no feline has gone before.
Excerpts From The Dog's
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From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On the few occassions I've shot for the NY Times, they've asked only
for hi-res jpegs. I shot RAW, but they never requested the original
files. However, none of these were for what you would call hard
Finally, advice from Mike Johnson that I can whole heartedly agree with.
Mark Roberts wrote:
William Robb wrote:
The fact of the matter is that SLRs have been little more than
glorified PS
cameras for the better part of 25 years. Why should they want something
different
The New York Times considers itself above reproach. I would think they
would no more stoop to covering their arse than admitting they were
wrong in the first place. The fact that they've been caught with their
pants down around their ankles a number of cases not withstanding...
[EMAIL
True for the most part. And working with their photo desk, I get the
impression that it's highly disorganized.
Paul
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The New York Times considers itself above reproach. I would think they
would no
(which is about $25) that it is ridiculous.
-graywolf
William Robb wrote:
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From: graywolf
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
The fact of the matter is that most folks would be far happier with a
PS.
The fact of the matter is that SLRs have been little
On 16/5/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
On May 15, 2007, at 8:20 PM, Cotty wrote:
I think of DPReview as porn. I go there to look at the pictures, then
words just get in the way.
Mark! if it hasn't been already.
I am honoured. Actually there is a typo in there. It should
Actually that is a good way to pick a highly sophisticated DSLR too, buy
a brand you feel comfortable with, that you like the look and feel of.
Actually most cameras in a given price range perform very similarly.
And if you have no interest in learning photography the PS is usually
more than
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From: graywolf
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
My point was that a DSLR is more camera, more complication, more money,
and more weight than one needs for most snapshot situations.
It doesn't matter what the camera is, or can do. The fact of the matter
It doesn't matter what the camera is, or can do. The fact of the matter is
that the vast majority of SLRs are in the hands of people who want the
cachet value that the SLR will give them, but are still using it like a
point and shoot camera.
That the camera gives them better quality pictures than
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 04:49:10PM -0400, graywolf wrote:
Actually that is a good way to pick a highly sophisticated DSLR too, buy
a brand you feel comfortable with, that you like the look and feel of.
Actually most cameras in a given price range perform very similarly.
And if you have no
I'd say, rather, that it's the flip side of the oft-heard remark
Wow! Great photographs! You must have a really good camera!.
If people think I take good photographs because I have a good
camera, then perhaps they think that buying one for themselves
will automatically let them produce equally
Hilarious !
Were you a dog then a cat in your former lives ?
Kenneth Waller
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Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com [Meow]
Tom C wrote:
If running around the house at warp speed all day and night means
she's broken, then yes
On 17/05/07, Norm Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Excerpts From The Cat's Daily Diary
Day 283 Of My Captivity.
My captors continue to taunt me with bizarre little dangling objects.
They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while I am forced to eat dry cereal.
The only thing that keeps me
On 16/05/07, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DP Review's tests work fine for people who buy the camera body with the
tested lens, and who never buy another lens. In other words, people who
don't take advantage of the single most important characteristic of an SLR
camera.
In addition to
I think of DPReview as porn. I go there to look at the pictures, then
words just get in the way.
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2007/5/15, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I think of DPReview as porn. I go there to look at the pictures, then
words just get in the way.
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Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think of DPReview as porn. I go there to look at the
pictures, then
words just get in the way.
ROTFL!!!
Brilliant Cotty!
That's probably the greatest laugh I had in the past two or
three months of list lurking...
Ciao,
Gianco
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Bruce Dayton wrote:
Monday, May 14, 2007, 4:13:28 PM, you wrote:
Now where will we go for our misinformation?
TC I find dpreview less biased than this mailing list.
hmmma site that caters to all different makes of cameras is less
biased than a list that caters to a specific single
I find DPreview forum participants, have softer images than we do here
at the PDML.
Nikons not included.
L;OL
Dave
On 5/14/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The major issue I have with Phil is his insistence on testing primarily
in JPEG mode. His tests are designed for, and quite good
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
DPReview.com's review data is pretty good on specifications and
features but his tests and judgments are of questionable credibility.
Many people take what's said in the tests as being hard fact, which
is misinformed.
Thus it is a source of misinformation.
I always
On 15/5/07, Gianfranco Irlanda, discombobulated, unleashed:
That's probably the greatest laugh I had in the past two or
three months of list lurking...
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Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:58:26 -0400
The major issue I have with Phil is his insistence on testing primarily
in JPEG mode. His tests are designed for, and quite good for, PS
cameras. They do not adequately
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 17:28:43 -0700
DPReview.com's review data is pretty good on specifications and
features but his tests and judgments
I always thought the fact that they compare digital SLR's but do so
without using the same lens on the cameras under test made their image
quality assessments worse than useless. It's not as if there aren't
some well-regarded third-party lenses available in all the major lens
mounts to make this
interpretation of the
data
which I think the site does a pretty good job of.
Tom C.
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 17:28:43
On May 14, 2007, at 7:13 PM, Tom C wrote:
I find dpreview less biased than this mailing list.
I find almost anything less biased than this list
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On May 15, 2007, at 10:51, Tom C wrote:
I think the average DSLR user does shoot .jpg. Unless one is *really*
serious, the 'good enough' of .jpgs is pretty good for most
people. I'd
venture to say that most DSLR users still don't want take the time
to post
process their images like
Tom C wrote:
Furthermore, their emphasis on JPEG over Raw in their image quality
assessments is completely outdated now. It might have made sense years
ago, when Raw shooters were a small niche in the digital market, but
they're not any more. In fact, amongst the people who really *care*
image
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Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 08:49:08 -0700
I don't care one whit about most people. That's the equivalent of
the Fox InfoTainment Service Some People Say... bullshit: that is,
it says we know best, won't quote sources or tell you how we know,
but will tell
Charles Robinson wrote:
It may be heresy to say it, but I'm one of those people.
I use RAW only for the once in a lifetime, I'm not going to get this
chance again photos where I'm unsure what the outcome of the photo
is going to be. For day-to-day shooting, I stick with JPG and it is,
for
Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:16:50 -0400 (EDT)
Tom C wrote:
Furthermore, their emphasis on JPEG over Raw in their image quality
assessments is completely outdated now. It might have made sense years
ago, when Raw shooters were a small niche in the digital market
into a retail
store.
Tom C.
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 08:49:08 -0700
I don't care one whit about most people. That's
Mark Roberts wrote:
I always thought the fact that they compare digital SLR's but do so
without using the same lens on the cameras under test made their image
quality assessments worse than useless. It's not as if there aren't
some well-regarded third-party lenses available in all the major
Well, I can remember a time when the people writing the articles were
expected to know more about the subject than the people reading them.
That does not seem to be the modern way of things.
Tom C wrote:
Then point me to where there is anything better. The same can be said for
virtually any
Tom C wrote:
I understand the point you're making Mark. I just don't understand how
you've acquired the data to support the conclusion you're reaching with
regard to who make up the majority of the dpreview audience.
From the participants in their discussion groups and from personal
contact
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Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:57:36 -0700
No one forces me to read DPReview. Or Imaging-Resource, or Steve's
Digicams, or Photo-I, or PhotoZone, or any of the other dozen or two
product review
Funny, I steer people *away* from those sites!
That takes us full circle back to the bias issue again I guess?
Truthfully, for those people we're talking about, it almost doesn't matter
which camera/lens combo they buy as long as it's in their price range and
they're happy with the
Tom C wrote:
I understand the point you're making Mark. I just don't understand how
you've acquired the data to support the conclusion you're reaching with
regard to who make up the majority of the dpreview audience.
Mark wrote:
From the participants in their discussion groups and from
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Well, I can remember a time when the people writing the articles were
expected to know more about the subject than
On May 15, 2007, at 10:35 AM, Tom C wrote:
Well I just don't expect perfection from any review site or reviewer I
guess. Sure there are flaws in testing methodologies. Yes there are
opinions given. It's still far better than walking in to Ritz, Wolf,
substitute store name here, Camera and
From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes and no. Even using a given third-party lens, you (or someone else)
could
argue that lens vary sample to sample, so the resulting quality assessment
is debatable at best.
Then, provided that DPReview is using comparable lenses (which they do), I
don't
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Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:57:36 -0700
No one forces me to read DPReview. Or Imaging-Resource, or Steve's
Digicams, or Photo-I, or PhotoZone, or any of the other dozen or two
product review sites I frequent.
That's
Dario said:
.. Furthermore, I think that many prospect users are not so
interested in a
sensor test. They are interested in camera performance. For those
wanting
to shoot RAW exclusively - and provided that DPReview or someone
else would
ony test RAW performance - you could look at
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Subject: Re: Amazon buys dpreview.com
Well, I can remember a time when the people writing the articles
were
expected to know more
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Not true. Each manufacturer adds their own twist to the sensor
configuration and supporting electronics. Like the K10D's weak
antialiasing filter and 22bit ADC. The results, while roughly
comparable, aren't identical even in RAW capture.
I can just hear
It wouldn't be all that expensive. How many lens mounts are there in
Digital currently?
Pentax, Canon, Minolta, Nikon, 4/3, and now Leica.
They could probably dispense with Leica.
In fact get an Adaptal II Macro, (focal length is even relatively
unimportant), for the sensor resolution
Welcome to the wired (or Wired :-) world.
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 01:29:45PM -0400, graywolf wrote:
Well, I can remember a time when the people writing the articles were
expected to know more about the subject than the people reading them.
That does not seem to be the modern way of things.
Reputable testers, (such as Modern Photography), did just that. Of
course they seldom tested cameras beyond meter sensitivity and exposure
accuracy). But lens comparisons were with identical emulsions and hand
held meters, as well as bench testing using special testing tools.
Tom C wrote:
On May 15, 2007, at 12:23 PM, Tom C wrote:
... How do we know the printed photo on the magazine page is an
accurate representation of the original? ...
Actually, we can count on the fact that it is not. ;-)
Don't test the camera on its default settings and then judge its
performance
Actually, thinking about it, I'd do body image-quality testing with a
high quality T-mount lens. You can get mount adapters for T-mount to
any other camera lens mount made, including Leica M-bayonet, Leica
thread mount, and C cine camera mount.
G
On May 15, 2007, at 12:47 PM, P. J. Alling
Don't forget Sigma. :-)
G
On May 15, 2007, at 12:47 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
It wouldn't be all that expensive. How many lens mounts are there in
Digital currently?
Pentax, Canon, Minolta, Nikon, 4/3, and now Leica.
They could probably dispense with Leica.
In fact get an Adaptal II
If you accept that the target market of a camera will never get past
the default settings and expects that to produce the best photos for
average conditions and 4x6 prints, that's fine. State that, test and
evaluate on that basis: produce a set of 4x6 prints after taking
pictures with your test
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
Dario said:
.. Furthermore, I think that many prospect users are not so
interested in a
sensor test. They are interested in camera performance. For those
wanting
to shoot RAW exclusively - and provided that DPReview or someone
else would
ony test RAW performance -
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