Hi members:
I want to generate a netlist from a schematic, then the Netlist
Creation dialogue box open, there are some items that I don't understand,
please experts hlep me to indicate it.
The available opinion include:
preference:
Append sheet numbers
Abd,
You seem to be missing the point, so I will try and state it a little differently.
Just about two years ago, I bought into the DXP hype, and purchased DXP, on the
promise that it was going to be a useful productive tool that would actually be a
cut above Protel 99 SE.
Or more specifically,
At 06-03-2004 07:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi members:
I want to generate a netlist for a project, then the Netlist
Creation dialog open, I find that there are some items that I don't
understand, please experts hlep me to indicate it.
The available opinion that I don't know
Just an observation of mine,
I think Mr Lomax already suggested that the manuals would probably be
better written by users, rather than developers, and he is most likely
correct.
The precious little snippets of info that would make a new users life so
much easier are most often missing, as the
Ian,
My last post looks like a reply to you, it wasn't, it was just easier to
reply to a post than create a new message.
I just forgot to delete the original post, sorry.
Best Regards
John A. Ross
RSD Communications ltd
Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWWhttp://www.rsd.tv
-Original Message-
From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 1:49 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
On 12:16 PM 10/03/2004, DUTTON Phil said:
Bill,
My DXP is still in
the box.
..snip..
snipped
Some
Yeah, but for the most part, Microsoft neither denies the flaws in its
software nor provides substantial repair to those flaws only by charging
the user and extra 1-2 thousand dollars per repair, like, for instance,
Protel. It's a comparison of apples and caviar. Win2k or xp pro is a
mere ~$300 on
Heheh... Abd ul-Rahman, you make my case for me... you have been
'conditioned' to accept the poor quality.
And I just can't imagine someone who makes the kind of money that a PCB
designer or Engineer makes... eating the bug filled bread anyway, just
because it was cheaper for the bread
Y'all
I started this thread and want to assure all of you that 2004 works much
better than DXP. I too closed DXP away and never opened it again. I
received the 2004 package two weeks ago, have finished 3 designs. There
are some minor bugs I have found, but overall I was up and running in
In my case, we upgraded a few machines to get the latest PCB and schematic
tools because the discount was available and I didn't hear too many
complaints about the DXP software on the other forum... though the asking
for help is constant... If it was easier to use I would expect to see mostly
I am going to be as brief as possible. JaMi, your argument does not work!!
Here is why.
1. You purchase DXP (Well you purchased ATS but for those who outright
purchased DXP and are still complaining...)
2. You found that it did not work.
3. Choose an option - a. Keep it and limp along, keeping
OK guys I appreciate the hype and all sounds well and good. So when Is my
copy being shipped??? All the good is making me very anxious!!!
- Original Message -
From: Bagotronix Tech Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:54
Hello,
I'm sure this is a repeat, but is there a simple specification readily
available that gives the commonly accepted (if there is such a thing)
dimensions for 0402, 0603, ..., SIOC-14, etc., and all the other standard
footprints? I don't really want to wade through a bunch of technical
I use IPC-SM-782 (Surface Mount Design and Land Pattern Standard) from www.ipc.org. I
am not a member but can but publications from them at non-member prices. IPC-SM-782
does not have all IC footprints but has many standard parts.
Another resource (for IC footprints) is Philips Integrated
After reading the many comments concerning DXP since it has come out it
appears that the general consensus is that after a few more years of
improvements they'll have hopefully recreated Protel 99SE. I know that
many of the engineers I work with have tried DXP and given up in disgust,
or at
Hi Ray,
The spec for surface mount footprints is IPC-782A with amendments 1 and
2. Since you are in Government, you probably have a copy available in your
command library. If not, standards are for sale through www.ipc.org
At 09:36 AM 3/10/04, you wrote:
Hello,
I'm sure this is a repeat,
For those of you that dont know, we are honored to have MASTER JEDI Bill
Brooks among us. Mr. Brooks was a top qualifier in the TOP GUN contest.
Bill, wanted to ask was the training class worth it? We have 11
engineers at Cornet Technology that are still using 98. We have 11 seats of
[At the risk of sounding like a commercial...]
Try this link Ray, and see if what they are doing will help.
http://www.pcblibraries.com/
A good friend of mine, Tom Hausherr, has been working on a common industry
library with the IPC and has come out with a product that they think will
help
- Original Message -
From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 2:45 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
On 08:17 PM 10/03/2004, JaMi Smith said:
..snip..
BS!
Absolute BS!
Nick, Altium - You are not giving
At 10:07 PM 3/9/2004, Brian Guralnick wrote:
Look at what I just received in my in-box...
i need protel 99 se for desingning my projects
so if u have it full working or crack please send
me as possiable
My own response to this person would be
You can get it the latest version free from Altium,
[muffled sound of slow breathing through an underwater respirator]...
Ah... but you are not a JEDI yet!... you are not ready... you have not
completed the TRAINING! [ROTFL]
Actually the training on DXP wasn't bad... and the guy teaching the class
was very knowledgeable and patient... The hard
Untested in 2004 is the Autorouter. Since I purchased Konekt's router, I
have been using it exclusively . I still do not have pair capability but
Konekt is committed to making this feature available in the next few months.
I would be interested to hear from anyone that has tested Protel 2004
Just an additional clarification Mike,
The book from the DXP class is nice. It's about 300 pages of what should
have shipped with the product. The class was 2 days and about 1400 bucks if
I remember correctly. My instructor was Matt Berggren and he's a really
great guy. The others in the class
What, you're speechless? ;)
-Original Message-
From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 10:16 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
- Original Message -
From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA
At 10:08 PM 3/9/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you do something a lot and it used to take 5 keystrokes (or mouse
clicks) in 99SE but takes 20 in DXP, to me that is a HUGE problem. Even
if the new feature is 100 times more powerful (as in the case of the DXP's
inspector versus 99SE's global
I think Altium's protection is decent. It's not a dongle, those break at the
worst times. I used to work in a place that had a bunch of PowerPCB seats
and once or twice a year we had a system down due to a failed dongle.
It's not a timed node locked FlexLM lock which locks it down to one machine.
Since those of us slated to get free upgrades won't be receiving manuals,
can we buy the manuals? For a nominal fee? I don't think this is an
unreasonable request.
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From: Abd ulRahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday,
-Original Message-
From: Mike Reagan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 6:01 PM
To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
For those of you that dont know, we are honored to have
MASTER JEDI Bill Brooks among us. Mr. Brooks was a top
At 10:08 PM 3/9/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you do something a lot and it used to take 5 keystrokes (or mouse
clicks) in 99SE but takes 20 in DXP, to me that is a HUGE problem. Even
if the new feature is 100 times more powerful (as in the case of the
DXP's
inspector versus 99SE's
I do believe the stability of my new system is that all the peripherals,
24 bit/96KHz sound, USB, 1394, Ethernet, SATA raid controller, ATA raid
controller are all on the motherboard the video card was also made by Asus
ensuring a trouble free 8X AGP functionality. It even more stable than
I'm glad to hear someone has had good luck with ASUS. Some time ago I went
through several ASUS 400MHz CUSL2 motherboards, different CPUs, different
brands of memory, different power supplies, and everything else to try to
stop random crashes. It wasn't just with Protel either. I finally
I do believe the stability of my new system is that all the
peripherals,
24 bit/96KHz sound, USB, 1394, Ethernet, SATA raid controller, ATA raid
controller are all on the motherboard the video card was also made by
Asus
I bet that 24bit/96KHz sound that's on the mobo doesn't sound so
I'm glad to hear someone has had good luck with ASUS. Some time ago I
went
through several ASUS 400MHz CUSL2 motherboards, different CPUs, different
brands of memory, different power supplies, and everything else to try to
stop random crashes. It wasn't just with Protel either. I finally
I'm glad to hear someone has had good luck with ASUS. Some time ago I
went
through several ASUS 400MHz CUSL2 motherboards, different CPUs, different
brands of memory, different power supplies, and everything else to try to
stop random crashes. It wasn't just with Protel either. I finally
Just do what I did, soldier hugely shielded RCA cables right by the sound
chip. The sound clearly ouperforms SBLive 5.1 and earlier. DVDs will play
all 6 channels at 24bit, 96KHz.
The good sound may be due to my 450 watt power supply which has an AC
leakage current UNDER 0.1ma. Compare that to
Just tried out the autorouter, the example autorouter 'board 1' routed in 29
seconds.
_
Brian Guralnick
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From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] New PC
Autoroute example board #3, 5 min, 20 seconds. (CPU set to 3 GHz, mp3
playing in the background.)
_
Brian Guralnick
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From: Brian Guralnick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 4:04 PM
Subject: [PEDA]
Just do what I did, soldier hugely shielded RCA cables right by the sound
chip. The sound clearly ouperforms SBLive 5.1 and earlier. DVDs will
play
all 6 channels at 24bit, 96KHz.
I take the SPDIF output from the SB Live and run it into the digital input
of my Yamaha receiver. So it's a
I take the SPDIF output from the SB Live and run it into the digital input
of my Yamaha receiver. So it's a digital connection. The noise I hear
must
be something added by the SB Live circuitry itself. Either the SB Live
on-board signal is converted to analog and back to digital, or the SB
- Original Message -
From: Ian Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Protel EDA Forum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 2:45 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
On 08:17 PM 10/03/2004, JaMi Smith said:
..snip..
BS!
Absolute BS!
Nick, Altium - You are not giving
- Original Message -
From: Brooks,Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
Just an additional clarification Mike,
The book from the DXP class is nice. It's about 300 pages of
Tony,
Actually no, that is what happens when you double click the Reply button in MS
Outlook Express, instead of just a single click.
My apologies.
I have actually replied now.
Sorry for the blank post.
JaMi
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From: Tony Karavidas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Protel EDA
At 10-03-04 18:36, Ray Mitchell wrote:
I'm sure this is a repeat, but is there a simple specification readily
available that gives the commonly accepted (if there is such a thing)
dimensions for 0402, 0603, ..., SIOC-14, etc., and all the other
standard footprints? I don't really want to wade
-Original Message-
From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:04 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: [PEDA] Autorouter speed, (was New PC tested with
Protel for at least 1 month now...)
Just tried out the autorouter, the example autorouter
I was using P99SE. It was a challenge. Also knowing what I know now, I would
have approached the design differently and might have placed higher in the
rankings. But be that as it may, it was a good run for the money and I was
in very good company at the time too. It was back in March of 2000 at
My tests were with Protel99SE, SP6, WinXP-Pro.
-
Autoroute Board#1, using defaults, 25 seconds.
Autoroute Board#3, using defaults, 5 min, 20 seconds.
-
It looks like Protel's autorouter
--- Brooks,Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
was... but I can guarantee I won't 'get my knickers in a knot'
worrying about it.
(I just love that one... 'Knickers in a Knot'... I heard that on TV
the other night grin)
Have you been watchin' Australian TV shows again Bill? You're starting
to
Melvin,
I am not sure if you have been monitoring the various DXP Forums, or not, so I am
not sure if you actually have the whole story.
I actually bought DXP on ATS, which was really a promise by Altium to deliver a
functional Protel 99 SE replacement.
Altuim has consistently and continually
- Original Message -
From: Brooks,Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Protel EDA Forum' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] 2004 DXP Looks Great,
I was using P99SE. It was a challenge. Also knowing what I know now, I would
have approached the design
On 08:54 AM 11/03/2004, JaMi Smith said:
The real charge against me, if you will, was that I instigated and lead the
Revolt against ATS, and embarrassed Altium by asking questions both
here in the
PEDA Forum and in the original Yahoo! DXP Forum that they couldn't answer,
with the
result being
-Original Message-
From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 12:06 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Cc: JaMi Smith
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Quit Complaining!!! ( 2004 DXP Looks Great)
snip,
As an interesting side note to this discussion of the above
two
Arrrgh!
Whats with me this double clicking the Reply button and shooting blanks today?
Anyway, Bill,
I didn't realize that your Top Gun participation was back in 2000. Based on Mikes
comments I thought it was at the current 2004 PCB West (or is it not quite time for
that yet).
Toolies . .
also long reply - generally in agreement with John.
On 12:21 AM 11/03/2004, John A. Ross [Design] said:
..snip..
Ian
If I try to be objective I still have issues with DXP, and not just
because I was in transition to DXP from 99SE, but also the changes
required in work practices. But I keep trying
Hi list , i am leaving this list because i have resigned from my former company and
will be working in a new company where i will be learning CNC mill control for MDF
board cutting where i am involve in loudspeaker box manufacturing.Thanks for any help
given.
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