[sage-devel] Re: illegal instruction warnings: masking CPUID with vmware?

2009-01-30 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 30, 2:18 pm, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: SNIP Yep, I have been playing around with this and I don't think it will be too far into the future. I did play around with the script I wrote some more and the only code using SSE3 or higher is ./libatlas.so: at least 863330 sse

[sage-devel] Re: illegal instruction warnings: masking CPUID with vmware?

2009-01-30 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 30, 5:46 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 5:44 PM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: On Jan 30, 2:18 pm, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: SNIP Yep, I have been playing around with this and I don't think it will be too far

[sage-devel] Re: illegal instruction warnings: masking CPUID with vmware?

2009-01-30 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 30, 6:01 pm, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: SNIP Seriously: The energy spend on an SSE only build is plainly not worth it considering the number of bugs I can fix in the same time where the vast majority of Sage users benefit. Once #2999-#3001 is done we can attempt to do

[sage-devel] Re: illegal instruction warnings: masking CPUID with vmware?

2009-01-31 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 31, 7:31 am, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 6:22 PM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: SNIP I just did extend my little script to also detect SSE2 instructions and only in $SAGE_LOCAL/lib there are 43 static libs and 143 dynamic libs which

[sage-devel] Re: Problems with opensuse 11.1

2009-01-31 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 31, 7:40 am, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Elizabeth Yip el...@comcast.net wrote: Thanks for the suggestion. It works !!! Then I tried to rerun some of my old worksheets and had a problem with plot3d.  I got an empty gray rectangle, no

[sage-devel] Re: not-so-n00b developing question

2009-01-31 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 30, 9:55 pm, john_perry_usm john.pe...@usm.edu wrote: Hey, it turns out that you hit it on the money. While looking through it again, I noticed that when examining the source through sage (using ??) the source file was listed in the directory        

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3.alpha3 released

2009-01-31 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 31, 1:09 pm, Georg S. Weber georgswe...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, for Sage 3.3.alpha3 I got a strange build failure with the new cddlib-094f.spkg on my Intel Core2Duo MacBook / Mac OS X 10.4.11, XCode 2.5: The make run (acually MAKE='make -j2' ) won't extract this spkg (see log

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3.alpha3 released

2009-01-31 Thread mabshoff
On Jan 31, 1:20 pm, Georg S. Weber georgswe...@googlemail.com wrote: SNIP P.S.: There is another issue revealed by this build failure reported above. I always run on the command line MAKE MAKE testlong so after some hours/overnight/etc. the end result is there without further

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.0.5 now available in Debian sid

2009-02-01 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 1, 4:23 pm, Tim Abbott tabb...@mit.edu wrote: Hello all, Hi Tim, As of today, Sage 3.0.5 is available in Debian sid, so you can now run apt-get install sagemath and get Sage installed on your Debian system[1]. Excellent. However, the sage package has bitrotted substantially

[sage-devel] Re: large integer sparse matrices

2009-02-01 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 1, 1:08 pm, John H Palmieri jhpalmier...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John, SNIP Pari seems rather inefficient when the above sparse matrix requires more than 2GB Ram to compute. The sparse matrix code needs a good cleanup anyway. I agree, and I absolutely do not volunteer to do this.  

[sage-devel] Re: sage talk

2009-02-01 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 1, 1:26 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Maple's Linear Algebra is noted for not being particularly good at large sizes. With symbolic entries, it's much worse. Thanks for these timings, it just reinforces my idea that I should switch as soon as the calculus

[sage-devel] Re: ANN: sage-mode 0.5

2009-02-01 Thread mabshoff
Well, given the fact that we will likely soon ship SageTeX with Sage itself is there any particular reason not to include Nick's code with default Sage? Given the number of Sage dev using Emcas [which for the record is canonically wrong since vim is the superior editor, but all you Emacs users

[sage-devel] Re: large integer sparse matrices

2009-02-01 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 1, 9:21 pm, John H Palmieri jhpalmier...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 1, 4:44 pm, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: SNIP Can you default it to LinBox in your case and report if LinBox causes trouble either by throwing an error or by producing wrong results? I don't think I can

[sage-devel] Re: ANN: sage-mode 0.5

2009-02-01 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 1, 9:19 pm, Nick Alexander ncalexan...@gmail.com wrote: On 1-Feb-09, at 8:33 PM, William Stein wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 6:56 PM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com   wrote: Well, given the fact that we will likely soon ship SageTeX with Sage itself is there any particular

[sage-devel] Re: ANN: sage-mode 0.5

2009-02-02 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 2, 8:30 am, Nick Alexander ncalexan...@gmail.com wrote: On 2-Feb-09, at 6:12 AM, Martin Albrecht wrote: On Monday 02 February 2009, Nick Alexander wrote: (defun malb-inferior-sage-bindings ()    Install inferior-sage-mode bindings locally.    (interactive)    

[sage-devel] Re: Building sage-3.2.2 fails

2009-02-02 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 2, 2:43 pm, dannychrastina danny.chrast...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 14, 4:04 pm, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: On Jan 13, 10:13 pm, DavidS davidshi...@gmail.com wrote: But further along the compilation, I got stuck here: ld -opolybori/libpolybori-0.5.0.so.0.0.0 -shared

[sage-devel] Re: 3.3.alpha4 fails build PPC X.4

2009-02-02 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 2, 8:23 pm, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: On PPC OSX.4.11: While building ntl-5.4.2.p5: g++ -I../include -I.  -O2 -g    -fPIC -dynamiclib -undefined dynamic_lookup -o libntl.dylib FFT.o FacVec.o GF2.o lots more vec_ulong.o vec_vec_ulong.o

[sage-devel] Re: A Mac OS X Sage Launcher

2009-02-02 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 2, 11:23 pm, Ivan Andrus g...@macmail.com wrote: On Jan 30, 2009, at 8:47 AM, kcrisman wrote: Hi Ivan, Anyway, it sounds like what mabshoff really needs is just the best tarball possible to then be able to drop a Sage build into for a fully functional .app bundle

[sage-devel] Re: Building sage-3.2.2 fails

2009-02-03 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 3, 12:34 am, dannychrastina danny.chrast...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 3, 2:13 am, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: SNIP  * What binutils release are you running (i.e. ld --version) GNU ld (GNU Binutils) 2.18. I notice David (above) had the same problem using 2.19. Also

[sage-devel] Re: Building sage-3.2.2 fails

2009-02-03 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 3, 12:36 am, Alexander Dreyer jan.alexander.dre...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Alexander, Hi, Hi, I'm having the same error with 3.2.3 (on Gentoo x86_64). It seems to me that this '-Wl,-soname,libpolybori-0.5.0.so.0' is in the form in which options are given to the compiler in

[sage-devel] Re: Building sage-3.2.2 fails

2009-02-03 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 3, 4:53 am, dannychrastina danny.chrast...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Hi, Ok, so I extracted the .spkg of polybori (having worked out that it was just a bzipped tarball), changed SConstruct (with sonameprefix as '-Wl,-soname -Wl,'), and repackaged it, and it didn't work: ld -o

[sage-devel] Re: 3.3.alpha4 fails build PPC X.4

2009-02-03 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 3, 3:54 am, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, that is a side effect of not setting -fno-common. I am curious which gcc release this is. powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.1 Well, I am much more interested in gcc -v since the above can cover 3 or so XCode releases.    export

[sage-devel] Re: 3.3.alpha4 fails build PPC X.4

2009-02-03 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 3, 8:53 am, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I am much more interested in gcc -v since the above can cover 3 or so XCode releases. Build 5370. Thanks. I ran testlong on that OSX 10.4/PPC and I am seeing one surprising doctest failure sage -t -long

[sage-devel] Re: interactive licenses for non-free stuff (like nauty)

2009-02-03 Thread mabshoff
it is only the bindings) or also requiring an iterative license. A lot of things ended up in the essential gap.spkg that these days would not even make it into Sage without a lot of mandatory cleanup. Does someone (William?, mabshoff?) want to explicitly state the proposal we are voting

[sage-devel] Re: A Mac OS X Sage Launcher

2009-02-03 Thread mabshoff
Ok, thanks to Ivan who did upload some patches to trac 3.3.alpha5 out in a couple hours will create a Sage app if you run -bdist. Check out a screenshot of it in action at http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mabshoff/SageApp.png It is based on Sage 3.3.alpha0 since I did no feel like hosing

[sage-devel] Re: interactive licenses for non-free stuff (like nauty)

2009-02-03 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 3, 2:15 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: SNIP Does someone (William?, mabshoff?) want to explicitly state the proposal we are voting on? PROPOSAL 1: When installing official Sage spkg's

[sage-devel] Re: interactive licenses for non-free stuff (like nauty)

2009-02-03 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 3, 2:09 pm, Tom Boothby tomas.boot...@gmail.com wrote: I definitely think that a passive approach is better.  Debian, for example, has their repositories split into free and non-free.  I believe that this would be the best solution to this problem. Click-through interactive

[sage-devel] Re: 3.3.alpha4 fails build PPC X.4

2009-02-03 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 3, 9:33 am, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: On Feb 3, 8:53 am, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I am much more interested in gcc -v since the above can cover 3 or so XCode releases. Build 5370. Thanks. I ran testlong on that OSX 10.4/PPC and I am seeing one

[sage-devel] Re: tinymce tickets for 3.3

2009-02-03 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 3, 5:36 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 12:19 AM,  jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: William, Could you (or Mike) review #5141 and #5143?  #5141 is a one-line fix to make sure that tinymce is disabled on published worksheets, while #5143

[sage-devel] Re: A Mac OS X Sage Launcher

2009-02-03 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 3, 7:07 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP It was the only icon I could find in the (admittedly short) time I looked.  Where could I get the icon (as large as possible)?  Also, if you can tell me what to do with dropped files I could easily add that.  i.e. how does

[sage-devel] Re: A Mac OS X Sage Launcher

2009-02-03 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 3, 7:16 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 7:12 PM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: would start a notebook server if it isn't already running, and once it is, would call basically (1) above for the default sage notebook server running from

[sage-devel] Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-04 Thread mabshoff
Hi, the sage websites have been getting a couple hundred hits today as referrals from the above story. It all boils down to (as discussed in IRC) that MMA now offers a personal edition of MMA for about $300 for download in the US and Canada. But you can't do research with it according to the

[sage-devel] Re: sage -b and directory structure

2009-02-04 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 4, 6:06 am, daveloeffler dave.loeff...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David, I've been doing some tinkering with the congruence subgroups code (because I'm lecturing a course on modular forms, and I think it's a nice idea that Sage should be able to do all the questions on my problem sheets).

[sage-devel] Re: Building sage-3.2.2 fails

2009-02-04 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 4, 7:46 am, dannychrastina danny.chrast...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Hi, Hi Danny, Athttp://www.triv.org.uk/~danny/sage/you should find the env dump and the compressed install log. 3 seconds looking at the env dump did confirm my suspicion. You do have the Intel C/C++ compiler in

[sage-devel] Sage 3.3.alpha5 released

2009-02-04 Thread mabshoff
, app bundle for OSX on bdist, TinyMCE polishing/fixes) and a also fixed a couple doctests, so alpha5 is relatively small, but we need to get it tested. Source tarball, a sage.math binary a the upgrade package can all be found in the usual place at http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mabshoff

[sage-devel] Re: pari vs. linbox for elementary_divisors

2009-02-04 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 3, 10:52 pm, John H Palmieri jhpalmier...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John, Almost two years ago, Linbox's implementation of Smith normal form was taken out of Sage because it was too buggy. After some work, I managed to reinstate it, hoping that the bugs might have been fixed.  Here's a

[sage-devel] Re: Building sage-3.2.2 fails

2009-02-04 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 4, 12:07 pm, dannychrastina danny.chrast...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 4, 8:13 pm, Alexander Dreyer Hi Danny, jan.alexander.dre...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Danny, although the Intel-Compiler environment is not advised, I would also be interested in a dump of the scons environment,

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3.alpha5 released

2009-02-04 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 4, 10:24 am, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Jaap Spies j.sp...@hccnet.nl wrote: SNIP On Fedora 9, 32 bits I had those known issues plus 11 mysterious memory errors. If we can't fix this fedora bug before the release, we *have* to put a

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3.alpha5 released

2009-02-04 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 4, 12:41 pm, Jaap Spies j.sp...@hccnet.nl wrote: mabshoff wrote: SNIP Hi Michael, Hi Jaap, So far the issue seems to be only at startup, i.e once Sage is up and running I have not observed a libSingular related memory failure. And the fix so far is only a hunch, I have

[sage-devel] Re: Building sage-3.2.2 fails

2009-02-04 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 4, 1:15 pm, dannychrastina danny.chrast...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, SNIP and like the likely culprit IMHO. Strange to me that it's only polybori which wouldn't build, and that I only ever saw gcc an g++ being called, and sage comes with its own fortran compiler so why would i go

[sage-devel] Re: Building sage-3.2.2 fails

2009-02-04 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 4, 1:16 pm, Alexander Dreyer jan.alexander.dre...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi!   'LINK': '$SMARTLINK',   'LINKCOM': '$LINK -o $TARGET $LINKFLAGS $SOURCES $_LIBDIRFLAGS $_LIBFLAGS', and like the likely culprit IMHO. yeah, and it seems, that the scons people are not aware of this

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3.alpha5 released

2009-02-04 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 4, 1:16 pm, John H Palmieri jhpalmier...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 4, 6:26 am, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello folks, 3.3.alpha5 is out and unlike 3.3.alpha4 it is being announced on sage- devel. [snip] If you want to get a patch in before the ReST transition

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-04 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 4, 2:36 pm, Rob Beezer goo...@beezer.cotse.net wrote: Hi Rob, I still get a lot of education-related email from Mathematica, and it has struck me the past few months that they seemed much more engaged or concerned about the welfare of their users.   So I'd been having some of the

[sage-devel] Re: Sage reddit: Mathematica No Longer World's Most Expensive Calculator?

2009-02-04 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 4, 10:18 pm, Minh Nguyen nguyenmi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:59 PM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Hi Minh, AFAIK Matlab can also interface to the Maple kernel in order to make use of Maple's symbolic computation features. The following book has made

[sage-devel] Sage mirrors out of date - http://sagemath.org/mirrors.html

2009-02-05 Thread mabshoff
If you check out http://sagemath.org/mirrors.html you see that many mirrors are out of date, mostly the ones that mirror off sage.math instead of sagemath.org. One reason is likely that the place on sage.math where to mirror from has changes, but the old place is linked to the new place.

[sage-devel] Re: illegal instruction warnings: masking CPUID with vmware?

2009-02-05 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 5, 10:29 am, Ronan Paixão ronanpai...@yahoo.com.br wrote: Hmm, do you mean SSE only, i.e. no SSE2 or higher or no SSE at all. No SSE2 or high might be doable once I revamp the build system via #2999- #3001 by tightly controlling CFLAGS and friends. But honestly while doing

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3.alpha5 released

2009-02-05 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 5, 12:28 pm, Jaap Spies j.sp...@hccnet.nl wrote: mabshoff wrote: something deeper inside libSingular. I have posted some speculation why some runs fail and other runs do not, so I am not going to repeat it here and bore 99.5% of Sage devs to death again :) I'm one of the other

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3.alpha5 released

2009-02-05 Thread mabshoff
SNIP Oops, I missed some. opteron Ubuntu 6.10 (sagemath.org):  1 failure         sage -t -long devel/sage/sage/calculus/calculus.py Total time for all tests: 5690.1 seconds NOISE: sage -t -long devel/sage/sage/calculus/calculus.py

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3.alpha5 released

2009-02-05 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 5, 1:09 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Jaap Spies j.sp...@hccnet.nl wrote: SNIP OS X PowerPC 10.5:         sage -t -long devel/sage/sage/rings/polynomial/toy_d_basis.py Got a fix that will be merged in a minute.         sage -t -long

[sage-devel] the neverending png odyssey

2009-02-05 Thread mabshoff
While poking around some matplotlib related blowup around libpng and frameworks I noticed the following: We have two sets of dynamic libpngs: On Linux: -rw-r--r-- 1 mabshoff mabshoff 689468 2009-02-03 19:30 local/lib/ libpng12.a -rwxr-xr-x 1 mabshoff mabshoff839 2009-02-03 19:30 local/lib

[sage-devel] Re: Multivariate GCD

2009-02-06 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 6, 2:28 am, parisse bernard.pari...@ujf-grenoble.fr wrote: SNIP So, you are using Cocoa or cocoalib? cocoalib Being an expert for the groebner bases functionality, I can say, that Singular's biggest strength in this area, is supporting many, many implementations of

[sage-devel] Re: Multivariate GCD

2009-02-06 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 6, 3:30 am, Martin Albrecht m...@informatik.uni-bremen.de wrote:  * libSingular is significant more effort to build and the interface isn't exactly clean That can and is being addressed. Sure, things are getting better and having other external uses, i.e. GFan as you mention below

[sage-devel] Re: the neverending png odyssey

2009-02-06 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 6, 1:47 am, mhampton hampto...@gmail.com wrote: Three cheers! Hooray! Hooray! Hooray! I think I've had things related to this crop up several times, and I am glad you have resolved it (crossing my fingers!). -Marshall Well, we are not quite there yet, but if you don't want to do

[sage-devel] Re: Multivariate GCD

2009-02-06 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 6, 4:11 am, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: SNIP My apologies for the double post. Yes, I took Singular 3-0-3 using slimgb and computed the DegRevLex as well as Lex basis of homogenized Karatsuba 7 for some F_p (p=31007 maybe?) and the rationals.  * For DegRevLex and F_p

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3.alpha5 released

2009-02-06 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 6, 6:38 am, David Joyner wdjoy...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for the late reply: on ubuntu amd64 hardy heron, only 1 failure, very similar to one already reported by William: Hi David, can you see if the patch at #5172 fixes it for you? It has already been merged in alpha6, but in case

[sage-devel] Re: Massively collaborative mathematics + Sage-ready blogs and forums

2009-02-06 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 6, 7:03 am, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: Ronan Paixão wrote: Of course, concerns about security and usability may well restrict the privileges to a specific subset of Sage's commands and fraction of server resources.  Still, it would be great if Wikipedia

[sage-devel] Re: Massively collaborative mathematics + Sage-ready blogs and forums

2009-02-06 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 6, 7:35 am, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: mabshoff wrote: SNIP Yes, but Jython does not support the Python C-API, so you cannot run Sage that way. One day far, far into the future this might be doable via IronPython where a project exists to bring the Python C

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Days 12 Final Report Summary

2009-02-06 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 6, 9:53 am, Ronan Paixão ronanpai...@yahoo.com.br wrote: Em Ter, 2009-01-27 às 06:13 -0800, mabshoff escreveu: SNIP Hi Ronan, I'm against all that SUA stuff. I completely agree it's a great help to get sage running on Windows, but that only happens for a very small user base

[sage-devel] Last call review requests for 3.3: blockers and useful tickets

2009-02-06 Thread mabshoff
Hello folks, alpha6 is nearly there, but Carl Witty found a whopping show stopper bug, i.e. #5198 that needs review. While waiting on that one and a couple other tickets to get reviewed I also checked the status of various other patches in the review pipeline. Blockers: #4752 ([with patch;

[sage-devel] Re: Sage Days 12 Final Report Summary

2009-02-07 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 7, 9:16 am, Ronan Paixão ronanpai...@yahoo.com.br wrote: SNIP I respect your opinions and actually I just wanted to post mine. Surely I don't have the skills even to start such a great venture as porting a zillion apps to work on Windows. Actually, I don't really intend it to use

[sage-devel] Re: The empty matrix is invertible ?

2009-02-07 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 7, 3:37 pm, Florent Hivert florent.hiv...@univ-rouen.fr wrote:       Dear William Hi Florent, SNIP Yes... This was perfectly clear to me. And that's why I volunteered to makes things coherent.   Thanks. It is very important to make all the various classes of Sage more consistent.

[sage-devel] Re: Matrix kernels, plus timing differences

2009-02-08 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 8, 1:18 am, Rob Beezer goo...@beezer.cotse.net wrote: William, Thanks for all the helpful advice - that'll get me started. So you're saying that when somebody changed from  Sage just having kernel (the way I implemented it) to having left_kernel and right_kernel methods, they

[sage-devel] Sage 3.3.alpha6 released

2009-02-08 Thread mabshoff
in http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/mabshoff/release-cycles-3.3/ Merging for rc0 has already started and one bug made it into alpha6 that can cause cloning to fail has been resolved. So please pull in the fix below #5205: Michael Abshoff: Set # -*- coding: utf-8 -*- encoding for sage/server

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3.alpha6 released

2009-02-08 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 8, 9:17 am, John H Palmieri jhpalmier...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John, Build failed on Mac OS X, Intel iMac while compiling gmp-mpir: PASS: t-assign PASS: t-binary PASS: t-cast PASS: t-constr PASS: t-headers PASS: t-istream istream mpf_t operator wrong   point ,   str   1,  

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3.alpha6 released

2009-02-08 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 8, 4:44 am, John Cremona john.crem...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/2/8 Alex Ghitza aghi...@gmail.com: SNIP Hi John, Alex, Unless calling Singular, or whatever is handling rational functions in 4 variables over QQ, is slower! John QQ[] is implemented via libSingular and orders of

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3.alpha6 released

2009-02-08 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 8, 11:38 am, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 10:39 AM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: SNIP Micheal, The above build failure happens on *all* OS X boxes I tested on -- bsd.math.washington. edu, my laptop, etc.  It'll surely even happen on your

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3.alpha6 released

2009-02-08 Thread mabshoff
Ok, I just check again to be 100% sure an on varro, i.e. OSX 10.4/PPC using varro:~/sage-3.3.alpha6-32 mabshoff$ gcc -v Using built-in specs. Target: powerpc-apple-darwin8 Configured with: /var/tmp/gcc/gcc-5370~2/src/configure --disable- checking -enable-werror --prefix=/usr --mandir=/share/man

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3.alpha6 released

2009-02-08 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 8, 12:19 pm, Jaap Spies j.sp...@hccnet.nl wrote: mabshoff wrote: Hello folks, here goes alpha6. It should fix all problems reported up to and including alpha5. It is a colorful mix of mostly patches fixing various issues including a couple more notebook issues from

[sage-devel] Re: Matrix kernels, plus timing differences

2009-02-08 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 8, 11:36 am, Rob Beezer goo...@beezer.cotse.net wrote: There's a developer manual?  ;-) Yes, I am just as surprised as you are. Ironically I have never even read the Developer's manual in some concentrated effort from cover to cover, but I have rewritten bits here and there when I

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3.alpha6 released

2009-02-08 Thread mabshoff
noise on menas, OpenSUSE 10.3/Core2 - I will add this to #5209 ** File /home/mabshoff/build-3.3.alpha6/sage-3.3.alpha6-menas/devel/sage/ sage/plot/plot.py, line 2582: sage: generate_plot_points(sin(x), (-pi, pi), randomize=False

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3.alpha6 released

2009-02-08 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 8, 12:34 pm, Jaap Spies j.sp...@hccnet.nl wrote: mabshoff wrote: SNIP Thanks Jaap. Can you rerun those ten tests to see if anything pops up? Since the allocation failure is probabilistic (1 in 4 to 1 in 50) sooner or later you should get all tests to pass :) I will run them

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3.alpha6 released

2009-02-08 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 8, 1:23 pm, Minh Nguyen nguyenmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 8:46 PM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello folks, here goes alpha6. It should fix all problems reported up to and including alpha5. It is a colorful mix of mostly patches fixing

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3.alpha6 released

2009-02-08 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 8, 1:34 pm, Minh Nguyen nguyenmi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Michael, SNIP Hi Minh, In general if you want to run any alpha/rc/final without building it check the default place for my releases and you will find a sage.math- only binary. Unpack that on sage.math, start a notebook

[sage-devel] Re: scipy.signal.filter_design.butter fails

2009-02-08 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 8, 2:17 pm, dk dan.kel...@dal.ca wrote: Hi, First, an apology: I am not sure I'm doing this entirely correctly. Nah, this sounds about right, in case it is above average. For some reason it seems that the moderation system the groups have is racy since this email showed up twice :)

[sage-devel] Re: scipy.signal.filter_design.butter fails

2009-02-08 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 8, 2:38 pm, dk dan.kel...@dal.ca wrote: Hi Dan, Thanks, this   sage: from scipy.signal.filter_design import *   sage: butter(2r,0.5r) works beautifully.  I really appreciate the help provided (within moments!) on this list. PS. the reason I'm doing this in sage and not in

[sage-devel] Re: scipy.signal.filter_design.butter fails

2009-02-08 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 8, 2:46 pm, Mike Hansen mhan...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 2:43 PM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: If you want just python + scipy + numpy you can run  ./sage -python and then you won't have to deal with the pesky preparser in Sage :) Actually, sage

[sage-devel] Re: Matrix kernels, plus timing differences

2009-02-08 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 8, 2:56 pm, Rob Beezer goo...@beezer.cotse.net wrote: Michael, Hi Rob, The material in the developers guide on doctests is informative, and does mention about the random number generator being reset for each test. Ok. I've posted a patch - just holler if it is not in a usable

[sage-devel] Re: Massively collaborative mathematics + Sage-ready blogs and forums

2009-02-08 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 8, 9:29 pm, Rob Beezer goo...@beezer.cotse.net wrote: When you follow the link to the demos, you get a graphic on the right, where if you move the mouse over the plot, text below continuously updates the coordinates.  The vertical scale appears logarithmic and the coordinates are

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3.alpha6 released

2009-02-08 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 8, 10:53 pm, Georg S. Weber georgswe...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, I just started the the build of 3.3.alpha6 on my Intel Core2Duo MacBook with OS X 10.4.11 / Xcode 2.5. The build of mpir-0.9.rc3 went fine on this box, too; gcc -v gives there: gcc -v Using built-in specs.

[sage-devel] Sage 3.3.rc0 status: open issues patches in need of review

2009-02-09 Thread mabshoff
Hello folks, 3.3.rc0 will drop tonight and this is my status list: Unresolved blocker: #4942: find_root() is broken when interval borders cannot be evaluated (Mike looked at it, it seems like a scipy issue) #5100: worksheets: can't empty the trash (safari only?) (no lead) #5210:

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.0.5 now available in Debian sid

2009-02-09 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 9, 12:40 pm, Ondrej Certik ond...@certik.cz wrote: On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Tim Abbott tabb...@mit.edu wrote: Hi Tim, Ondrej, I mentioned that I'd send mail here again once the segfault problems are fixed. I want to congratulate you once again for all the work you did. I

[sage-devel] Re: Build fails on RHEL4 - gnutls

2009-02-09 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 9, 9:09 am, gedaliah gwol...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This looks like the relevant portion of the log -- if /bin/sh /local/ftp/linux/sage/sage-3.2.3/spkg/build/gnutls-2.2.1.p1/ src/build-aux/missing --run makeinfo -I ../doc  -I . \  -o gnutls.info gnutls.texi; \ then \   rc=0; \   cd

[sage-devel] Re: Massively collaborative mathematics + Sage-ready blogs and forums

2009-02-09 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 9, 12:41 pm, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: Rob Beezer wrote: When you follow the link to the demos, you get a graphic on the right, where if you move the mouse over the plot, text below continuously updates the coordinates.  The vertical scale appears logarithmic

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.0.5 now available in Debian sid

2009-02-09 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 9, 1:43 pm, Ondrej Certik ond...@certik.cz wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:17 PM, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: SNIP  * fix the trivial issues Tim reported a while back, i.e. #3686- #3690  * fix the non-owner ought to be able to doctest issues, i.e. #5155 so

[sage-devel] Re: tab completion and function aliases cluttering the namespace

2009-02-09 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 9, 10:39 am, mhampton hampto...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is a great idea.  It might not solve the problem of clutter immediately, because if something like eigenvectors_right is removed it would break a lot of existing code.  But perhaps we could remove such things in 4.0 after

[sage-devel] Re: Massively collaborative mathematics + Sage-ready blogs and forums

2009-02-09 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 9, 2:08 pm, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: mabshoff wrote: SNIP Well, svg on IE requires a plugin while the canvas element seems to be support by all major rendering engines. So why make things complicated? Anything requiring a plugin leads to usability problems

[sage-devel] Re: Sage mirrors out of date - http://sagemath.org/mirrors.html

2009-02-09 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 5, 12:33 am, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: If you check outhttp://sagemath.org/mirrors.htmlyou see that many mirrors are out of date, mostly the ones that mirror off sage.math instead of sagemath.org. One reason is likely that the place on sage.math where to mirror from has

[sage-devel] Re: tab completion and function aliases cluttering the namespace

2009-02-10 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 10, 2:02 am, Martin Albrecht m...@informatik.uni-bremen.de wrote: Hi, We should never intentionally break people's code like that if there is no pressing issue. Adding deprecation warnings is ok to point people in the right direction, but from discussions about this at SD12 and

[sage-devel] Re: tab completion and function aliases cluttering the namespace

2009-02-10 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 10, 4:08 am, Martin Albrecht m...@informatik.uni-bremen.de wrote: Hi Martin, It seems to me: Sage isn't done yet and pretending it was does more harm than good by making it more difficult to contribute. Why? Can you make a concrete example at what you are driving at? Methods

[sage-devel] Re: tab completion and function aliases cluttering the namespace

2009-02-10 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 10, 4:45 am, Martin Albrecht m...@informatik.uni-bremen.de wrote: Hi Martin, Think about e.g. the planed break up of gen.pyx into elements that make sense. Sure, but that will happen transparently without any impact to the user's code. I am pretty sure it will have an

[sage-devel] Re: tab completion and function aliases cluttering the namespace

2009-02-10 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 10, 5:18 am, mhampton hampto...@gmail.com wrote: I think its hard to get a one-size-fits-all policy here.  I am thinking specifically of the polytope code in polyhedra.py - I am very happy with the progress so far, but its still young code that has bugs and some architectural issues.

[sage-devel] Re: tab completion and function aliases cluttering the namespace

2009-02-10 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 10, 6:12 am, Stan Schymanski schym...@gmail.com wrote: William Stein wrote: Hi Stan, . Maybe it would be good to somehow keep unanswered emails at the top of list. Not sure if this is possible in Google Groups. I am not aware of any mechanism that would let you do that in Google

[sage-devel] Re: tab completion and function aliases cluttering the namespace

2009-02-10 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 10, 7:16 am, Jason Grout jason-s...@creativetrax.com wrote: mabshoff wrote: SNIP Well, there are enough people around that if you remove right_kernel() or whatever will end up with broken code. Having it deprecated for a year or two seems to have zero cost to me. While

[sage-devel] Re: Build fails on RHEL4 - gnutls

2009-02-10 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 10, 10:39 am, gedaliah gwol...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 9, 4:41 pm, mabshoff mabsh...@googlemail.com wrote: SNIP Hi, Anyway, so more info on your system: How current a RHEL 4 system is it? I have a RHEL 4.6 or 4.7 vmaware image, but I have never broken it out to test the build

[sage-devel] Re: Generic tests and categories (was doctesting __hash__ ?)

2009-02-10 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 10, 2:45 am, Nicolas M. Thiery nicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr wrote:         Hi Robert, It's quite tied up into the category framework, so I don't see a way to merge it into Sage without the category framework. As for the category framework itself: it has been experimented with

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 3.3.alpha6 released

2009-02-10 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 10, 9:27 pm, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zzn...@gmail.com wrote: mabshoff wrote: SNIP I'm just starting to test this on my x86_64 openSUSE 11.1 Linux system. Just out of curiosity, how come R is all the way back at 2.6.1? The R project is now at 2.8.1, and I think 2.9 is coming in April

[sage-devel] Re: yet another talk about sage

2009-02-10 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 10, 10:46 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sage-Devel, On Thursday I will give a talk to the Virtual Sun User's Group, which is basically some online web talk to about 80 people.  The notes are here (mainly look at the pdf):    http://wstein.org/talks/20090212-sun/

[sage-devel] Re: yet another talk about sage

2009-02-10 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 10, 11:31 pm, Craig Citro craigci...@gmail.com wrote: You might want to remove the two sentences The above issues boil down to a handful of problems. All but one or two are identical to problems with sparc/mark. from the Solaris porting slide and instead add a link to the main

[sage-devel] Re: Topology software for Sage

2009-02-11 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 11, 9:45 am, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:52 AM, Simon King k...@mathematik.uni-jena.de wrote: Hi, Dear sage developers, some people, including myself, believe that Sage should contain more tools for topology. E.g., there was a thread

[sage-devel] Re: instructions how to host sage notebook

2009-02-11 Thread mabshoff
On Feb 11, 9:22 am, Ondrej Certik ond...@certik.cz wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:15 AM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP That is not how the notebook works.    By default the notebook listens *only* on localhost, which means nobody else.  This is a very important security

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