[Sprinklerforum] Combustible Concealed Space Below Roof Deck

In reviewing again NFPA 13 does not mention there being wood (Plywood in this case) between the insulation and top of wood structure. I believe I have answered my question below in that I will install sprinklers in this space. Good morning, I am working on a Flat Roof, wood frame,

[Sprinklerforum] Combustible Concealed Space Below Roof Deck

Good morning, I am working on a Flat Roof, wood frame, single story building. The membrane roof is insulated above the structure. 5/8" Plywood Roof Deck attached directly to the framing. Concealed Space is 1'-10" high down to 1'-6" minimum, 11,000 SF 5/8" Gypsum board attached directly to

Re: COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE

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OP5%2BAZvlHhABSexWY%3D=0> From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design INC via Sprinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 2:05 PM To:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design INC Subject: RE: COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE My question is: Are QR u

Re: COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE

Alright.  Thank  you. You confirmed my interpretation as well.On Jan. 11, 2022 15:56, Tom Wellen via Sprinklerforum wrote:Troy, No. NFPA 13, 2019 edition in 9.3.2 is specific that sprinklers are listed for horizontal combustible concealed spaces. Specifically listed to provide

RE: COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE

prinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 2:05 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design INC Subject: RE: COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE My question is: Are QR uprights listed to be used in those areas or does it have to be a CCS sprinkler? Troy ---

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; Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design INC Subject: Re: COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE Troy, No. NFPA 13, 2019 edition in 9.3.2 is specific that sprinklers are listed for horizontal combustible concealed spaces. Specifically listed to provide protection. On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:40 PM Trillium

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Subject: RE: COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE My question is: Are QR uprights listed to be used in those areas or does it have to be a CCS sprinkler? Troy -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Tom Wellen via Sprinklerforum Sent: January 11, 2022 3:56 PM To: sprinklerforum

RE: COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE

; Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design INC Subject: Re: COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE Troy, No. NFPA 13, 2019 edition in 9.3.2 is specific that sprinklers are listed for horizontal combustible concealed spaces. Specifically listed to provide protection. On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:40 PM Trillium Fire

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Troy, No. NFPA 13, 2019 edition in 9.3.2 is specific that sprinklers are listed for horizontal combustible concealed spaces. Specifically listed to provide protection. On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:40 PM Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design INC via Sprinklerforum wrote: > Can someone confirm that

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r.org Cc: Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design INC Subject: COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE Can someone confirm that it is not mandatory to use CCS sprinklers in a space 36" or less? I know it allows for larger spacing, but code wise. I don't believe they are a must and the space can be protect

COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE

Can someone confirm that it is not mandatory to use CCS sprinklers in a space 36" or less? I know it allows for larger spacing, but code wise. I don't believe they are a must and the space can be protected with QR uprights. Regards Troy S

RE: Horizontal Combustible Concealed Space

Gamble Subject: RE: Horizontal Combustible Concealed Space So, if an attic is constructed with a pitch of less than or equal to 2:12 and the depth of that space is less than or equal to 36" from deck to ceiling, then it becomes a horizontal cc space and MUST be protected with list

RE: Horizontal Combustible Concealed Space

ry 28, 2021 7:55 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Steve Leyton ; Cary Webber Subject: RE: Horizontal Combustible Concealed Space Or to put it another way, if an attic is constructed so that its configuration meets the conditions of 9.3.2, it MUST be protected with listed CC sprin

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: Cary Webber via Sprinklerforum Date: 1/28/21 6:41 AM (GMT-08:00) To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Cary Webber Subject: RE: Horizontal Combustible Concealed Space I think it's fair to say that an attic (agreeing with Taylor S) is at the top, however, an "attic" can be c

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SC  29657 Tel: 864-843-5161 -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of JD Gamble via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 9:37 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: JD Gamble Subject: RE: Horizontal Combustible Concealed Space CAUTION: This email origi

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28, 2021 7:34 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Cary Webber Subject: RE: Horizontal Combustible Concealed Space CCS style sprinklers are generally listed to a maximum 2:12 pitch so IMO this is the best indicator of the difference between an attic space and a combustible ceiling sp

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Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 8:34 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Cary Webber Subject: RE: Horizontal Combustible Concealed Space CCS style sprinklers are generally listed to a maximum 2:12 pitch so IMO this is the best indicator of the difference between an attic space

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, 2021 9:22 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: JD Gamble Subject: Horizontal Combustible Concealed Space CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the content is safe. NFPA

Horizontal Combustible Concealed Space

NFPA Glossary of Terms 2019 ed. Attic: The space located between the ceiling of a story and the roof directly above that habitable story. Question: When does an attic become a Horizontal CC Space? And vice versa? Question: Do the rules of NFPA 13, 9.3.2 (2019 ed) specifically prohibit the

Re: Non combustible concealed space with gas furnace above ceiling

wrote: > -- Forwarded message - > From: kevin mick > Date: Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:51 AM > Subject: Re: Non combustible concealed space with gas furnace above ceiling > To: Steve Leyton > > > Hi > > the building is sprinklered . a design change is being m

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-- Forwarded message - From: kevin mick Date: Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Non combustible concealed space with gas furnace above ceiling To: Steve Leyton Hi the building is sprinklered . a design change is being made it install a gas furnace above the hung

RE: Non combustible concealed space with gas furnace above ceiling

) To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: kevin mick Subject: Non combustible concealed space with gas furnace above ceiling i have a non sprinklered building with hung ceiling in kitchen area If a gas furnace is installed above the ceiling is localized protection ok section 8.15.1.4 (nfpa13 2016

Non combustible concealed space with gas furnace above ceiling

i have a non sprinklered building with hung ceiling in kitchen area If a gas furnace is installed above the ceiling is localized protection ok section 8.15.1.4 (nfpa13 2016) covers heat producing devices with composite wd joist ___ Sprinklerforum mailing

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PM > To: 'sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org' < > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > Cc: Pete Schwab ; travis.m...@mfpdesign.com > Subject: RE: Non-Combustible Concealed Space > > Better clarification should be in the 2022 edition…… Subject to ballot, > nitmams, etc. > &

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-Combustible Concealed Space Better clarification should be in the 2022 edition…… Subject to ballot, nitmams, etc. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 2:25 PM To: sprinklerforum

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Thank you Kevin, I'll send it to the AHJ From: Sprinklerforum on behalf of Kevin Hall via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 3:17 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Kevin Hall Subject: Re: Non-Combustible Concealed Space

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resprinkler.org/ondemand to learn more. On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 1:59 PM Mike Hairfield via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > Here is my situation: Hotel Rooms that have a 3'-6" x 2'-6" > Non-Combustible Concealed space that has a heat pump &

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: Sprinklerforum on behalf of Tom Noble via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 2:30 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Tom Noble Subject: Re: Non-Combustible Concealed Space Is it really a closet, or just an enclosure with an access panel? > On Sep 10, 2020, at 1

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forum > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 1:59 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > Cc: Mike Hairfield mailto:fsl...@msn.com>> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Non-Combustible Concealed Space > > Here is my

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M To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Mike Hairfield Subject: [EXTERNAL] Non-Combustible Concealed Space Here is my situation: Hotel Rooms that have a 3'-6" x 2'-6" Non-Combustible Concealed space that has a heat pump unit inside this space. There is not a door into this space only a disch

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Cc: travis.m...@mfpdesign.com Subject: RE: Non-Combustible Concealed Space Mike: Check into the AFSA informal interp archives regarding VTACs. I had one from them in a hotel project recently. The spaces did not contain fuel fired equipment so did not require protection. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP

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10:59 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Mike Hairfield Subject: Non-Combustible Concealed Space Here is my situation: Hotel Rooms that have a 3'-6" x 2'-6" Non-Combustible Concealed space that has a heat pump unit inside this space. There is not a door into this

Non-Combustible Concealed Space

Here is my situation: Hotel Rooms that have a 3'-6" x 2'-6" Non-Combustible Concealed space that has a heat pump unit inside this space. There is not a door into this space only a discharge grill that can be removed by the maintenance staff to get access to service these units. The

Re: Uprights in non combustible concealed space

t:* Wednesday, July 15, 2020 10:38 AM > *To:* Steve Leyton ; > sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org; 'Cary Webber' < > cweb...@reliablesprinkler.com> > *Subject:* RE: Uprights in non combustible concealed space > > > > Steve, > > In the PNW it has been an issue

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hts in non combustible concealed space Steve, In the PNW it has been an issue ever since the 2006 edition came out. Some building departments and or the fire prevention department has made comments on our plans review stating that based on this section in the code unless some type of detention is

RE: Uprights in non combustible concealed space

,=1> From: Steve Leyton Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 10:30 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org; 'Cary Webber' Cc: Anthony Subject: RE: Uprights in non combustible concealed space Anthony: The code has never been enforced this way - sprinklers are required to be install

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rforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Anthony via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 6:57 AM To: 'Cary Webber' ; sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Anthony Subject: RE: Uprights in non combustible concealed space All, in the IBC it says in section 903.3.1

RE: Uprights in non combustible concealed space

er.org Subject: RE: Uprights in non combustible concealed space On the downside, if all areas above the ceilings are not protected, it may give a false sense of security. On the upside, more sprinklers are better, and even if not required they can act as detectors in the space. Botto

Re: Uprights in non combustible concealed space

inklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ed > Vining via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 11:35 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Cc: Ed Vining > Subject: Re: Uprights in

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Cc: Tony Silva ; Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G ; Ed Vining Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Uprights in non combustible concealed space Yes, it is specified in NFPA 13. NFPA 13, does not tell you which buildings are required to be sprinklered, which task is up to the building code or local

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ceiling.Good luck.Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S8. Original message From: John Irwin via Sprinklerforum Date: 6/18/20 2:21 PM (GMT-05:00) To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: John Irwin Subject: Uprights in non combustible concealed space We installed temporary

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ct: Re: Uprights in non combustible concealed space Not really. The codes and standards determine the decision. This may be my last post. At the age of 95 I am starting to lose interest. Ed Vining 2770 Pleasant Hill Rd Apt 228 Pleasant Hill CA 95423 925-448-2159 fpe...@gmail.com<mailto:fpe...@

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orum On Behalf Of Ed Vining via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 11:35 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Ed Vining Subject: Re: Uprights in non combustible concealed space Not really. The codes and standards determine the decision. This may be my last post.

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> <http://www.reliablesprinkler.com/> > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum *On > Behalf Of *John Irwin via Sprinklerforum > *Sent:* Thursday, June 18, 2020 2:21 PM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Cc:* John Irwin > *Subject:* Uprights in non combustible

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forum Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:33 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Richard Carr Subject: RE: Uprights in non combustible concealed space The AHJ should enforce the code not make it up, code does not prohibit the sprinklers to remain above the ceiling. Richard M. Carr, SET Proje

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in via Sprinklerforum Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 2:21 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: John Irwin Subject: Uprights in non combustible concealed space CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the

Uprights in non combustible concealed space

We installed temporary upright Protection in a partially occupied building during a major renovation. We then came back and dropped pendent heads in the new ceiling. We left the uprights above the new ceiling. Fire inspector says we need to remove the uprights now. Is there a basis for removing

Re: Combustible Concealed Space

t; To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > Subject: Combustible Concealed Space > > I’m looking at a building with steel bar joists with a wood nailer and > plywood deck. The building will have a drop ceiling, and of cours

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tston...@comcast.net <mailto:tston...@comcast.net> From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Kyle.Montgomery Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 11:55 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Combustible Concealed Space I still need to verify, but it look

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Combustible Concealed Space

To: Sprinklerforum Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Combustible Concealed Space How do they intend to secure the insulation? Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-535-2080 (ofc) 860-553-3553 (fax) 860-608-4559 (cell) On Oct 23, 2018 at 10:48 AM, mailto:kmontgom...@aerofire.com

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> > > > > If there is insulation at the deck that covers the deck and wood nailers, do > I need upright sprinklers protecting the area above the ceiling? It seems > like I would not, but I’ve gone through the section with the combustible > concealed space exem

RE: Combustible Concealed Space

, October 23, 2018 10:49 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Combustible Concealed Space I'm looking at a building with steel bar joists with a wood nailer and plywood deck. The building will have a drop ceiling, and of course have pendent sprinklers protecting the area below

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We have ALWAYS sprinklered these spaces. Steve L. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Kyle.Montgomery Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 7:49 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Combustible Concealed Space I'm looking

Combustible Concealed Space

sprinklers protecting the area above the ceiling? It seems like I would not, but I've gone through the section with the combustible concealed space exemptions and I haven't found one that exactly matches my scenario. -Kyle M ___ Sprinklerforum

Re: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013)

; > *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] *On Behalf Of *Jay Stough > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 09, 2018 8:25 AM > *To:* Sprinkler Forum > *Subject:* Re: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013) > > > > It is accessible thru the s

Re: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013)

just wouldn’t be the same!! ;-) Mark at Aero 602 820-7894 From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 2:16 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Non-Combustible Con

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Of Steve Leyton Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 2:16 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013) Absolutely. What could be a better gig than GETTING PAID to fight with fire officials?? Steve PS: No guarantee of result.

Re: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013)

No restrictions due to the presence of gas fired heater except for 8.15.1.4 - composite wood joists channels and then its ALL heart-producing equipment. There is that goofy requirement in 13D for requiring a single sprinkler over gas-fired furnaces in attics. Think of it this way. THere’s

RE: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013)

...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 2:16 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013) Absolutely. What could be a better gig than GETTING PAID to fight with fire officials?? Steve PS

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, May 09, 2018 1:13 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013) Steve can I hire you to fight with AHJ’s when I have issues? Rocci Cetani III, CET Senior Designer Water-Based Fire Protections Systems Layout, Nicet Level III Northern

RE: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013)

To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013) N Let’s stop using the word “accessible” in conjunction with T-Bar ceilings. As described in the standard for purposes of determining whether a non-combustible space might

RE: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013)

exhausting … SML From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Jay Stough Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 8:25 AM To: Sprinkler Forum Subject: Re: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013) It is accessible thru the suspended ceiling with ladders. Jay

Re: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013)

gt; > > > > > > *From: *Jay Stough <jaycs7...@gmail.com> > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 9, 2018 8:00 AM > *To: *Sprinkler Forum <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > *Subject: *Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013) > > > > We are bidding a sch

RE: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013)

Jay, Are the non combustible concealed spaces readily accessible or no? From: Jay Stough Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 8:00 AM To: Sprinkler Forum Subject: Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013) We are bidding a school gym/locker rooms project that has non-combustible concealed

Non-Combustible Concealed Space (NFPA 13 2013)

We are bidding a school gym/locker rooms project that has non-combustible concealed spaces above the ceilings. Most of the HVAC equipment is on the roof, but there is one gas fired unit in that concealed space in one area. I cannot find where I have to install sprinklers in that area due to the

RE: Combustible concealed space under stair

rtinez <dmarti...@total-mechanical.com> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Date: 02/08/2017 03:04 PM Subject: RE: Combustible concealed space under stair Sent by:"Sprinklerforum" <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> It’s just a dead

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:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: RE: Combustible concealed space under stair Is this an enclosure. Access door like a closet.? Electrical equipment? Art Tiroly ATCO Fire Protection/Tiroly 24400 Highland Rd CLE 44143 216-621-8899 216-570-7030 cell From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:s

RE: Combustible concealed space under stair

:* Sprinklerforum [mailto: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] *On Behalf Of *Art Tiroly *Sent:* Wednesday, February 08, 2017 12:49 PM *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org *Subject:* RE: Combustible concealed space under stair Is this an enclosure. Access door like a closet

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Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2017 10:08 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Combustible concealed space under stair NFPA 13 (07ed) section 8.15.1.2.9 Could this section be applied to a small combustible concealed space under stairs that is under 55 SF? Thanks, Dewayne

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rforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Combustible concealed space under stair NFPA 13 (07ed) section 8.15.1.2.9 Could this section be applied to a small combustible concealed space under stairs that is under 55 SF? Thanks, Dewayne ___ Sprinkle

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Subject: Combustible concealed space under stair NFPA 13 (07ed) section 8.15.1.2.9   Could this section be applied to a small combustible concealed space under stairs that is under 55 SF? Thanks, Dewayne   ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum

Combustible concealed space under stair

NFPA 13 (07ed) section 8.15.1.2.9 Could this section be applied to a small combustible concealed space under stairs that is under 55 SF? Thanks, Dewayne ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http

Re: Combustible Concealed Space-Area Reduction

o:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org > <mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>] On Behalf Of Roland > Huggins > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:15 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> &g

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um-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org > <mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>] On Behalf Of John > Corcoran > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 8:56 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > S

RE: Combustible Concealed Space-Area Reduction

14, 2016 8:56 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Combustible Concealed Space-Area Reduction Some input from our tech team: While NFPA 13 "requires" that specially tested and listed sprinklers be used in combustible concealed spaces 36" and less, the

RE: Combustible Concealed Space-Area Reduction

liable KFR CCS is listed to be used in areas that are 36 inches in height or less. John Corcoran From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Cliff Whitfield Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 6:12 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: R

Re: Combustible Concealed Space-Area Reduction

Behalf Of *Travis Mack, SET > *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 5:51 PM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Subject:* Re: Combustible Concealed Space-Area Reduction > > > > I think he is saying that his concealed space is >36" in depth. If so, >

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o 60" deep with 16 x 16 spacing on the market now. Cliff Whitfield From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 5:51 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Combustible Conce

Re: Combustible Concealed Space-Area Reduction

macher *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 4:55 PM *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org *Subject:* Combustible Concealed Space-Area Reduction Good afternoon forum, I’m looking to apply the remote area reduction per 11.2.3.2.3.1 in NFPA 13 2010 to a floor truss space over 36” using quick respon

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Schumacher Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 4:55 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Combustible Concealed Space-Area Reduction Good afternoon forum, I'm looking to apply the remote area reduction per 11.2.3.2.3.1 in NFPA 13 2010 to a floor truss space over 36" using

Combustible Concealed Space-Area Reduction

Good afternoon forum, I'm looking to apply the remote area reduction per 11.2.3.2.3.1 in NFPA 13 2010 to a floor truss space over 36" using quick response, standard spray sprinklers. Could anyone tell me if my assumptions are right? TAYLOR SCHUMACHER, CET Security Fire Sprinkler P

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] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hairfield *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2016 9:30 AM *To:* Sprinkler Forum *Subject:* Combustible Concealed Space I have a AHJ telling me that even though the space is completely filled with noncombustible insulation that sprinkler protection is still going to be required

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ler.org> on > behalf of Morey, Mike <mo...@bmwc.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 10:35 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: Combustible Concealed Space > > This is the part where I ask "Can you please help me understand what code >

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I did, waiting on his reply From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> on behalf of Morey, Mike <mo...@bmwc.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 10:35 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Combustible Con

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Trying a picture a sprinkler surrounded by insulation - quite absurd. On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Travis Mack, SET wrote: > You have an AHJ that is missing a line of NFPA 13. > > 2013 edition: 8.15.1.2.7 Concealed spaces filled with noncombustible > insulation shall not

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uesday, August 9, 2016 10:34:07 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Combustible Concealed Space That was my point to him exactly. Mike From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> on behalf of Travis Mack, SET <tm...@m

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Subject: Re: Combustible Concealed Space You have an AHJ that is missing a line of NFPA 13. 2013 edition: 8.15.1.2.7 Concealed spaces filled with noncombustible insulation shall not require sprinkler protection Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC 2508 E Lodgepole Drive Gilbert, AZ 85298 480-505-9271

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You have an AHJ that is missing a line of NFPA 13. 2013 edition: 8.15.1.2.7 Concealed spaces filled with noncombustible insulation shall not require sprinkler protection Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC 2508 E Lodgepole Drive Gilbert, AZ 85298 480-505-9271 fax: 866-430-6107

Combustible Concealed Space

I have a AHJ telling me that even though the space is completely filled with noncombustible insulation that sprinkler protection is still going to be required. I'm I missing something here? Mike ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list

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- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ed Kramer Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 8:22 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Combustible concealed space sprinklers I'll be contacting the manufacturer later today to verify, but I

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-Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Tony Eggster Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 5:48 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Combustible concealed space sprinklers In my opinion you're going to have

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w depth. > So if I were King, or better yet an AHJ, I would accept room design. > > Brad > On Mar 14, 2016 5:25 PM, "Ed Kramer" <e...@bamfordfire.com> wrote: > > > Working on a project where listed combustible concealed space sprinklers > > (such as V

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re.com> wrote: > Working on a project where listed combustible concealed space sprinklers > (such as Viking COIN) are required. Data sheets call for a design area of > 1,000 sf. However, the combustible concealed spaces on several floors of > this motel are compartmented into areas of ap

Combustible concealed space sprinklers

Working on a project where listed combustible concealed space sprinklers (such as Viking COIN) are required. Data sheets call for a design area of 1,000 sf. However, the combustible concealed spaces on several floors of this motel are compartmented into areas of approx 345 sf via 1-hour rated

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