Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.7 released!
On 02/04/2021, Bret Busby wrote: > On 02/04/2021, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com > wrote: >> Bret Busby wrote: >>> I have not been able to download and install the en-gb dictionary - >>> whilst I have selected to download the dictionary, and it appears to >>> happen, the installation appears to not implement. It does not show as >>> an available language in the spellchecker. >>> >>> That applies to both this latest version, and, previous versions. >> >> If that's Marco Pinto's British English dictionary, you need to use >> version 2.68 from >> <https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-GB/seamonkey/addon/british-english-dictionary-2/versions/>. >> >> Newer versions are WebExtensions and, although they appear to install, >> they don't work in SeaMonkey 2.53. >> >> If you've installed a newer version, it might appear in the "Extensions" >> rather than "Dictionaries" section of Add-ons Manager, and you'll >> probably need to remove it from there before installing the older 2.68. >> >> -- >> Mark. >> > > How do I install that one? > > In trying to find an en-gb language pack, the only result found, is > the latest version. > It's alright - I found and installed it. And, it seems to work. Thank you for your help. -- Bret Busby UbuntuMATE User and Campaigner Clean Energy User and Campaigner Human Rights Campaigner UBI and Citizens Dividend Campaigner Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.7 released!
On 02/04/2021, mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: > Bret Busby wrote: >> I have not been able to download and install the en-gb dictionary - >> whilst I have selected to download the dictionary, and it appears to >> happen, the installation appears to not implement. It does not show as >> an available language in the spellchecker. >> >> That applies to both this latest version, and, previous versions. > > If that's Marco Pinto's British English dictionary, you need to use > version 2.68 from > <https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-GB/seamonkey/addon/british-english-dictionary-2/versions/>. > > Newer versions are WebExtensions and, although they appear to install, > they don't work in SeaMonkey 2.53. > > If you've installed a newer version, it might appear in the "Extensions" > rather than "Dictionaries" section of Add-ons Manager, and you'll > probably need to remove it from there before installing the older 2.68. > > -- > Mark. > How do I install that one? In trying to find an en-gb language pack, the only result found, is the latest version. -- Bret Busby UbuntuMATE User and Campaigner Clean Energy User and Campaigner Human Rights Campaigner UBI and Citizens Dividend Campaigner Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.7 released!
On 02/04/2021, Dirk Fieldhouse wrote: > On 31/03/2021 05:44, Edmund Wong wrote: > >> The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey >> 2.53.7. >>... > > Thanks, and just to note that updating the Ubuntuzilla package (through > its apt repository) without updating the corresponding language pack can > result in the Compose window losing all contents and functionality. > > Presumably one can break other builds in a similar way. > > /df > > -- > London > UK > ___ > support-seamonkey mailing list > support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey > I have not been able to download and install the en-gb dictionary - whilst I have selected to download the dictionary, and it appears to happen, the installation appears to not implement. It does not show as an available language in the spellchecker. That applies to both this latest version, and, previous versions. -- Bret Busby UbuntuMATE User and Campaigner Clean Energy User and Campaigner Human Rights Campaigner UBI and Citizens Dividend Campaigner Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.53.7 released!
On 31/03/2021, Edmund Wong wrote: > Greetings, > > The SeaMonkey Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey > 2.53.7. > > This isn't going to be a quick canned notification as there is > significance in this post. > > What's so significant? > > This could be my last "New release" post here on the newsgroups > (well, unless we release something between now and prior to > newsgroup shutdown). > > I can't seem to shake the feeling of the fond memories of > posting here about the new Releases. First it was KaiRo, > then Callek. Then me. > > A new era will be upon us when we finally find a new > place to post this (well, aside for on the blog). As posted to the list, on 30 March; I have created a new replacement list for this list, this list being due to be shut down as of 03 March 2021. The new list web page address is https://groups.io/g/seamonkey-support Please read the group description on that web page, before subscribing. I have enabled the option to allow for the group/mailing list to be sponsored, to provide for more than 100 subscribers, should it get that many. I would not be concerned with that aspect, until the number of subscribers approaches 100, if it does. Subscribers to this mailing list, are invited to visit the above web page, and subscribe to the group/mailing list. To subscribe to the replacement mailing list, go to the above web page, read the group description, and, if you accept that, click on the link where it says "Subscribe, which should generate an email message for you to send, to subscribe. You should then receive a subscription request confirmation message, for you to send a reply, to confirm your subscription. -- Bret Busby UbuntuMATE User and Campaigner Clean Energy User and Campaigner Human Rights Campaigner UBI and Citizens Dividend Campaigner Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What's New in SeaMonkey 2.53.7
On 30/03/2021, WaltS48 wrote: > On 3/30/21 11:03 AM, Bret Busby wrote: >> On 30/3/21 10:15 pm, Bob Fleischer wrote: >>> On 3/30/2021 10:12 AM, WaltS48 wrote: >>>>> *You MUST absolutely do a full backup of your profile before >>>>> upgrading from a version earlier than SeaMonkey 2.53.1. This >>>>> version of SeaMonkey makes changes to your profile that can't be >>>>> reverted in cases where you need to go back to the older version.* >>>>> >>>>> *Automatic upgrades from previous versions are currently disabled >>>>> for this release. Please download the full installer from the >>>>> downloads section and install SeaMonkey 2.53.7 manually over the >>>>> previous version.* >>>>> >>>> SeaMonkey 2.53.7 Release Notes >>>> <https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.7/> >>>> >>>> Enjoy! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> OS: Fedora 33 Workstation - Gnome Desktop >>>> https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/ >>>> >>> >>> So, what are the options for finding out about new releases after >>> this newsgroup is gone? >>> >>> Bob >> >> Depending on which operating system platform you are using, and, how >> it is done for the operating system that you use, in Ubuntu Linux, I >> have added the sourceforge ubuntuzilla repository to my sources file, >> for upgrades, so that, whenever I perform a system upgrade, that >> repository is checked for upgrades to Seamonkey, and, in performing a >> system upgrade on my other computer, at present, I have observed that >> it is performing an upgrade to Seamonkey. >> > Which means the repo has a maintainer. > > Updates to direct installs from SeaMonkey on any operating system have > been disabled for a long time. > > Might the repo maintainer be able to fix it for all of us, or does it do > a complete install over the current version? > > -- > OS: Fedora 33 Workstation - Gnome Desktop > https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/ > > > ___ > support-seamonkey mailing list > support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey > It shows (it was done as a command line upgrade, on both of my computers that I have just upgraded) as an upgrade, rather than as a new package installation (which is what is shown, for kernel upgrades). The package is seamonkey-mozilla-build amd 64 2.53.7-0ubuntu1 so what I have upgraded, is specific to Ubuntu Linux (as is ubuntuzilla, I believe), and, I expect that it would not work with Fedora Linux (which is from (some years ago) Red Hat Linux), which, I believe, uses rpm packages, rather than deb packages. What I suggest, is that, for each operating system, the Seamonkey user does a google search for seamonkey upgrade and, hopefully, the results returned, will include a howto, that steps through the instructions for installing/upgrading seamonkey, for the particular operating system. I believe that that is how I found the Sourceforge ubuntuzilla repository, and, how to apply it, for installing and upgrading seamonkry on Ubuntu Linux. -- Bret Busby UbuntuMATE User and Campaigner Clean Energy User and Campaigner Human Rights Campaigner UBI and Citizens Dividend Campaigner Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What's New in SeaMonkey 2.53.7
On 30/3/21 10:15 pm, Bob Fleischer wrote: On 3/30/2021 10:12 AM, WaltS48 wrote: *You MUST absolutely do a full backup of your profile before upgrading from a version earlier than SeaMonkey 2.53.1. This version of SeaMonkey makes changes to your profile that can't be reverted in cases where you need to go back to the older version.* *Automatic upgrades from previous versions are currently disabled for this release. Please download the full installer from the downloads section and install SeaMonkey 2.53.7 manually over the previous version.* SeaMonkey 2.53.7 Release Notes <https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.7/> Enjoy! -- OS: Fedora 33 Workstation - Gnome Desktop https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/ So, what are the options for finding out about new releases after this newsgroup is gone? Bob Depending on which operating system platform you are using, and, how it is done for the operating system that you use, in Ubuntu Linux, I have added the sourceforge ubuntuzilla repository to my sources file, for upgrades, so that, whenever I perform a system upgrade, that repository is checked for upgrades to Seamonkey, and, in performing a system upgrade on my other computer, at present, I have observed that it is performing an upgrade to Seamonkey. -- Bret Busby UbuntuMATE User and Campaigner Clean Energy User and Campaigner Human Rights Campaigner UBI and Citizens Dividend Campaigner Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Replacement for the Seamonkey support mailing list as hosted by Mozilla - was - Re: Is this list being shutdown and Seamonkey and Firefox and Thunderbird being assimilated into the Borg
On 30/03/2021, Rob Steinmetz wrote: > Any hope of getting Mozilla to open a Seamonkey forum at > https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/? > If you want to move to a forum, you might want to visit http://forums.mozillazine.org/index.php?c=3 and view the part relating to Seamonkey. ( -> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=40 ) I found the first web page above, from the web page at https://www.seamonkey-project.org/community -- Bret Busby UbuntuMATE User and Campaigner Clean Energy User and Campaigner Human Rights Campaigner UBI and Citizens Dividend Campaigner Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Replacement for the Seamonkey support mailing list as hosted by Mozilla - was - Re: Is this list being shutdown and Seamonkey and Firefox and Thunderbird being assimilated into the Borg
On 30/3/21 4:41 am, Andy Burns wrote: Bret Busby wrote: Andy Burns wrote: Bret Busby wrote: Did he reply to this list? I have not seen any reply on this list. No, in m.s.firefox What is that? mozilla.support.firefox, but if you're a mailing list user, rather than an newsgroup user, you may know it as support-fire...@lists.mozilla.org I am also subscribed to that list, as you will have seen, if you are subscribed to that list. I do not remember seeing any message posted to that list, by anyone who identified himself or herself, as the list administrator of this list. And, as no reply was posted to this list, in response to my post to this list, then, clearly, as no message has been posted to this list, by anyone identified as the list administrator of this list, and, as both the questions posted to this list, remain unanswered on this list, by the list administrator of this list, then, as I said, "I have not seen any response from the list administrator, to either of my two messages above. ". QED. -- Bret Busby UbuntuMATE User and Campaigner Clean Energy User and Campaigner Human Rights Campaigner UBI and Citizens Dividend Campaigner Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Replacement for the Seamonkey support mailing list as hosted by Mozilla - was - Re: Is this list being shutdown and Seamonkey and Firefox and Thunderbird being assimilated into the Borg
On 30/3/21 4:28 am, Andy Burns wrote: Bret Busby wrote: Andy Burns wrote: Bret Busby wrote: I have not seen any response from the list administrator, to either of my two messages above. He has replied, to emphasise that they're not official mozilla lists. Did he reply to this list? I have not seen any reply on this list. No, in m.s.firefox What is that? -- Bret Busby UbuntuMATE User and Campaigner Clean Energy User and Campaigner Human Rights Campaigner UBI and Citizens Dividend Campaigner Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Replacement for the Seamonkey support mailing list as hosted by Mozilla - was - Re: Is this list being shutdown and Seamonkey and Firefox and Thunderbird being assimilated into the Borg
On 30/3/21 4:08 am, Andy Burns wrote: Bret Busby wrote: I have not seen any response from the list administrator, to either of my two messages above. He has replied, to emphasise that they're not official mozilla lists. Did he reply to this list? I have not seen any reply on this list. -- Bret Busby UbuntuMATE User and Campaigner Clean Energy User and Campaigner Human Rights Campaigner UBI and Citizens Dividend Campaigner Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Replacement for the Seamonkey support mailing list as hosted by Mozilla - was - Re: Is this list being shutdown and Seamonkey and Firefox and Thunderbird being assimilated into the Borg
On 30/3/21 12:19 am, Bret Busby wrote: On 29/3/21 3:47 am, Bret Busby wrote: On 28/03/2021, Bret Busby wrote: Please see the message below. I note that this list is hosted on lists.mozilla.org -- Forwarded message -- From: Chris Ilias Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:11:20 -0400 Subject: **THIS FORUM WILL BE SHUT DOWN SOON** To: mozilla-support-fire...@lists.mozilla.org *WHAT IS HAPPENING* Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and mailing lists (list.mozilla.org). *WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN* lists.mozilla.org: April 3 news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3 *WHAT YOU WILL EXPERIENCE* Because all posts to this newsgroup go through the mailing list, no messages will be approved after April 3. You will still be able to access news.mozilla.org, but there will be no new posts in this newsgroup after that. If you try to post a message, it will just not appear. Sometime after that, Giganews will shut down news.mozilla.org, and you will no longer be able to access the newsgroup. *WHERE TO FIND THE ARCHIVE* The archive of this newsgroup will be kept intact at https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.firefox/ As with other newsgroups that have been shuttered in the past, the archive will be read-only. If you're using Thunderbird, you can also download all messages before the news server is shut down. 1. In your Local Folders account, create a new folder called "mozilla.support.firefox" 2. Open the newsgroup, then go to Edit-->Select-->All. 3. Go to Message-->Move_to-->Local_Folders-->mozilla.support.firefox NOTE: There are over 190,000 messages, so it will take a long time to download. You may want to select batches of messages instead of selecting all. *WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT* The primary Firefox support forum is at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/firefox?show=all Other languages can be found at https://support.mozilla.org/kb/get-community-support If you prefer newsgroups, there may be newsgroups on Usenet where you can find Firefox support. If not, try netscape.public.mozilla.browser. *WHY THIS IS HAPPENING* Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for many years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and moved to https://discourse.mozilla.org/ Even though a support web forum already exists, the support newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server. *WHERE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ANNOUNCEMENT* You can reply to this post, and I'll try to answer any questions. If you have questions after the shutdown, you can find me in the #firefox chat room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#firefox:mozilla.org or the #sumo chat room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#SUMO:mozilla.org My display name on chat.mozilla.org is cilias -- Mailing list/Newsgroup moderator ___ support-firefox mailing list support-fire...@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-firefox As this list appears to be being shut down within a week, could the list administrator please advise as to how many subscriber this list has? Thank you in anticipation. Hello. I have not seen any response from the list administrator, to either of my two messages above. This is not a criticism of the list administrator - it is merely an observation and explanation, of what follows. I have created a new replacement list for this list, this list being due to be shut down as of 03 March 2021. Correction - as stated above, this list is scheduled to be shut down on 03 April 2021. The new list web page address is https://groups.io/g/seamonkey-support Please read the group description on that web page, before subscribing. I have enabled the option to allow for the group/mailing list to be sponsored, to provide for more than 100 subscribers, should it get that many. I would not be concerned with that aspect, until the number of subscribers approaches 100, if it does. Subscribers to this mailing list, are invited to visit the above web page, and subscribe to the group/mailing list. To subscribe to the replacement mailing list, go to the above web page, read the group description, and, if you accept that, click on the link where it says "Subscribe, which should generate an email message for you to send, to subscribe. You should then receive a subscription request confirmation message, for you to send a reply, to confirm your subscription. -- Bret Busby UbuntuMATE User and Campaigner Clean Energy User and Campaigner Human Rights Campaigner UBI and Citizens Dividend Campaigner Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Replacement for the Seamonkey support mailing list as hosted by Mozilla - was - Re: Is this list being shutdown and Seamonkey and Firefox and Thunderbird being assimilated into the Borg
On 29/3/21 3:47 am, Bret Busby wrote: On 28/03/2021, Bret Busby wrote: Please see the message below. I note that this list is hosted on lists.mozilla.org -- Forwarded message -- From: Chris Ilias Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:11:20 -0400 Subject: **THIS FORUM WILL BE SHUT DOWN SOON** To: mozilla-support-fire...@lists.mozilla.org *WHAT IS HAPPENING* Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and mailing lists (list.mozilla.org). *WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN* lists.mozilla.org: April 3 news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3 *WHAT YOU WILL EXPERIENCE* Because all posts to this newsgroup go through the mailing list, no messages will be approved after April 3. You will still be able to access news.mozilla.org, but there will be no new posts in this newsgroup after that. If you try to post a message, it will just not appear. Sometime after that, Giganews will shut down news.mozilla.org, and you will no longer be able to access the newsgroup. *WHERE TO FIND THE ARCHIVE* The archive of this newsgroup will be kept intact at https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.firefox/ As with other newsgroups that have been shuttered in the past, the archive will be read-only. If you're using Thunderbird, you can also download all messages before the news server is shut down. 1. In your Local Folders account, create a new folder called "mozilla.support.firefox" 2. Open the newsgroup, then go to Edit-->Select-->All. 3. Go to Message-->Move_to-->Local_Folders-->mozilla.support.firefox NOTE: There are over 190,000 messages, so it will take a long time to download. You may want to select batches of messages instead of selecting all. *WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT* The primary Firefox support forum is at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/firefox?show=all Other languages can be found at https://support.mozilla.org/kb/get-community-support If you prefer newsgroups, there may be newsgroups on Usenet where you can find Firefox support. If not, try netscape.public.mozilla.browser. *WHY THIS IS HAPPENING* Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for many years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and moved to https://discourse.mozilla.org/ Even though a support web forum already exists, the support newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server. *WHERE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ANNOUNCEMENT* You can reply to this post, and I'll try to answer any questions. If you have questions after the shutdown, you can find me in the #firefox chat room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#firefox:mozilla.org or the #sumo chat room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#SUMO:mozilla.org My display name on chat.mozilla.org is cilias -- Mailing list/Newsgroup moderator ___ support-firefox mailing list support-fire...@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-firefox As this list appears to be being shut down within a week, could the list administrator please advise as to how many subscriber this list has? Thank you in anticipation. Hello. I have not seen any response from the list administrator, to either of my two messages above. This is not a criticism of the list administrator - it is merely an observation and explanation, of what follows. I have created a new replacement list for this list, this list being due to be shut down as of 03 March 2021. The new list web page address is https://groups.io/g/seamonkey-support Please read the group description on that web page, before subscribing. I have enabled the option to allow for the group/mailing list to be sponsored, to provide for more than 100 subscribers, should it get that many. I would not be concerned with that aspect, until the number of subscribers approaches 100, if it does. Subscribers to this mailing list, are invited to visit the above web page, and subscribe to the group/mailing list. To subscribe to the replacement mailing list, go to the above web page, read the group description, and, if you accept that, click on the link where it says "Subscribe, which should generate an email message for you to send, to subscribe. You should then receive a subscription request confirmation message, for you to send a reply, to confirm your subscription. -- Bret Busby UbuntuMATE User and Campaigner Clean Energy User and Campaigner Human Rights Campaigner UBI and Citizens Dividend Campaigner Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is this list being shutdown and Seamonkey and Firefox and Thunderbird being assimilated into the Borg
On 29/3/21 5:58 am, Ray Davison wrote: https://groups.io/g/mozilla currently lists only 20 members. I consider .io a better system. Mozilla mozi...@groups.io My names Bob Edenhofer, and I'm the owner of this list! this list is for the purpose of discussing the on going development, of mozilla products, sutch as thunderbird, firefox, and SeaMonkey, whitch is an internet and email client, all built into one! The rules are as follows! 1! there's absolutely no profanity on here, whatsoever! 2! there's absolutely no bad mouthing mozilla and their products! 3! if you know that a message is off topic? Then don't post it, because you'll clutter my list, with unnecessary traffic! 4! if someone posts a message, and you don't know the answer? Then don't post a message saying you don't know, because you'll clutter my list, with unnecessary traffic! 5! I signed up to become a developer for mozilla, and I'm also a developer for NVAccess, the company that makes the free open source screenreader, NVDA for the blind and visually impaired! 6! If anyone violates my rules and regulations, that I set forth on this list, you's are automaticly, banned! no questions asked! I'm also totally blind as well! Are you the list administrator of the list on which this message is posted, or, are you the list administrator of the groups.io list that you cited? -- Bret Busby UbuntuMATE User and Campaigner Clean Energy User and Campaigner Human Rights Campaigner UBI and Citizens Dividend Campaigner Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is this list being shutdown and Seamonkey and Firefox and Thunderbird being assimilated into the Borg
On 28/03/2021, Bret Busby wrote: > Please see the message below. > > I note that this list is hosted on lists.mozilla.org > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Chris Ilias > Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:11:20 -0400 > Subject: **THIS FORUM WILL BE SHUT DOWN SOON** > To: mozilla-support-fire...@lists.mozilla.org > > *WHAT IS HAPPENING* > Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and > mailing lists (list.mozilla.org). > > > *WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN* > lists.mozilla.org: April 3 > news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3 > > > *WHAT YOU WILL EXPERIENCE* > Because all posts to this newsgroup go through the mailing list, no > messages will be approved after April 3. You will still be able to > access news.mozilla.org, but there will be no new posts in this > newsgroup after that. If you try to post a message, it will just not > appear. > > Sometime after that, Giganews will shut down news.mozilla.org, and you > will no longer be able to access the newsgroup. > > > *WHERE TO FIND THE ARCHIVE* > The archive of this newsgroup will be kept intact at > https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.firefox/ > As with other newsgroups that have been shuttered in the past, the > archive will be read-only. > > If you're using Thunderbird, you can also download all messages before > the news server is shut down. > 1. In your Local Folders account, create a new folder called > "mozilla.support.firefox" > 2. Open the newsgroup, then go to Edit-->Select-->All. > 3. Go to Message-->Move_to-->Local_Folders-->mozilla.support.firefox > NOTE: There are over 190,000 messages, so it will take a long time to > download. You may want to select batches of messages instead of > selecting all. > > > *WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT* > The primary Firefox support forum is at > https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/firefox?show=all > Other languages can be found at > https://support.mozilla.org/kb/get-community-support > > If you prefer newsgroups, there may be newsgroups on Usenet where you > can find Firefox support. If not, try netscape.public.mozilla.browser. > > > *WHY THIS IS HAPPENING* > Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for many > years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and moved > to https://discourse.mozilla.org/ > Even though a support web forum already exists, the support > newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server. > > > *WHERE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ANNOUNCEMENT* > You can reply to this post, and I'll try to answer any questions. > If you have questions after the shutdown, you can find me in the > #firefox chat room at > https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#firefox:mozilla.org or the #sumo chat > room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#SUMO:mozilla.org > > My display name on chat.mozilla.org is cilias > > -- > Mailing list/Newsgroup moderator > ___ > support-firefox mailing list > support-fire...@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-firefox > As this list appears to be being shut down within a week, could the list administrator please advise as to how many subscriber this list has? Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby UbuntuMATE User and Campaigner Clean Energy User and Campaigner Human Rights Campaigner UBI and Citizens Dividend Campaigner Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Is this list being shutdown and Seamonkey and Firefox and Thunderbird being assimilated into the Borg
Please see the message below. I note that this list is hosted on lists.mozilla.org -- Forwarded message -- From: Chris Ilias Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:11:20 -0400 Subject: **THIS FORUM WILL BE SHUT DOWN SOON** To: mozilla-support-fire...@lists.mozilla.org *WHAT IS HAPPENING* Mozilla is shutting down the newsgroup server (news.mozilla.org) and mailing lists (list.mozilla.org). *WHEN IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN* lists.mozilla.org: April 3 news.mozilla.org: Sometime after April 3 *WHAT YOU WILL EXPERIENCE* Because all posts to this newsgroup go through the mailing list, no messages will be approved after April 3. You will still be able to access news.mozilla.org, but there will be no new posts in this newsgroup after that. If you try to post a message, it will just not appear. Sometime after that, Giganews will shut down news.mozilla.org, and you will no longer be able to access the newsgroup. *WHERE TO FIND THE ARCHIVE* The archive of this newsgroup will be kept intact at https://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.firefox/ As with other newsgroups that have been shuttered in the past, the archive will be read-only. If you're using Thunderbird, you can also download all messages before the news server is shut down. 1. In your Local Folders account, create a new folder called "mozilla.support.firefox" 2. Open the newsgroup, then go to Edit-->Select-->All. 3. Go to Message-->Move_to-->Local_Folders-->mozilla.support.firefox NOTE: There are over 190,000 messages, so it will take a long time to download. You may want to select batches of messages instead of selecting all. *WHERE TO GO FOR SUPPORT* The primary Firefox support forum is at https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/firefox?show=all Other languages can be found at https://support.mozilla.org/kb/get-community-support If you prefer newsgroups, there may be newsgroups on Usenet where you can find Firefox support. If not, try netscape.public.mozilla.browser. *WHY THIS IS HAPPENING* Mozilla has been migrating off of mailing lists and newsgroups for many years now. Many of the mailing lists have already closed down and moved to https://discourse.mozilla.org/ Even though a support web forum already exists, the support newsgroups/lists have remained open for the lifetime of the server. *WHERE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ANNOUNCEMENT* You can reply to this post, and I'll try to answer any questions. If you have questions after the shutdown, you can find me in the #firefox chat room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#firefox:mozilla.org or the #sumo chat room at https://chat.mozilla.org/#/room/#SUMO:mozilla.org My display name on chat.mozilla.org is cilias -- Mailing list/Newsgroup moderator ___ support-firefox mailing list support-fire...@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-firefox ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Fwd: Lightning/Calendar in SM 2.53.6
Forwarded to list as replies do not default to the list and OP's email address is a spoof. -- Bret Busby UbuntuMATE User and Advocate Clean Energy User and Advocate Human Rights Advocate UBI and Citizens Dividend Advocate Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. Forwarded Message Subject: Re: Lightning/Calendar in SM 2.53.6 Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 17:34:00 +0800 From: Bret Busby To: Daniel On 4/2/21 4:52 pm, Daniel wrote: Today I (finally) updated from SM 2.49.1 to SM 2.53.6 on Linux, as shown in my sig file. On my Win7 installation (updated from SM 2.49.5), after the update, I had Lightning starting at SM bootup, but not in Linux which I have updated, today, from SM 2.49.1 yes 2.49.1. Now I seem to recall that in SM 2.49.1, Lightning wasn't "inbuilt" but by 2.49.5, it was. So, when I updated my *Win7* SM from 2.49.5, Lightning worked/works, but in Linux (now 2.53.6), checking the Add-ons Manager, Lightning is there but I only have the option to "Remove" because "Lightning is incompatible with SeaMonkey 2.53.6" How can I get my Lightning up and running?? (Note: when I say I've updated SM, I mean I have installed Linux SM 2.53.6 in parallel (new location) with SM 2.49.1, but using the same profile!) Not an answer to your query, but, you might want to view https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/microsoft-365/windows/end-of-windows-7-support and https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/14/21065140/how-to-upgrade-microsoft-windows-7-10-free-os I had to abandon the latest most stable version of Linux; UbuntuMATE Linux 16.04.7, as support for that is coming to an end in two months, and, switch to UbuntuMATE 20.10 (due to be superseded by 21.04, in two months), for the sake of system security. -- Bret Busby UbuntuMATE User and Advocate Clean Energy User and Advocate Human Rights Advocate UBI and Citizens Dividend Advocate Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fwd: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking
On 30/01/2021, Bret Busby wrote: > On 30/01/2021, Bret Busby wrote: >> On 30/01/2021, NFN Smith wrote: >>> Bret Busby wrote: >>>> On 30/01/2021, NFN Smith wrote: >>>>> Bret Busby wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ublock origin is not found in searching in Add Ons, Extensions, or >>>>>> Plug Ins for Seamonkey 2.53.6 for the build I previously specified. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you check the Release Notes >>>>> (https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/), there's >>>>> a >>>>> link there that resolves to >>>>> https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases >>>>> >>>>> Smith >>>>> >>>> >>>> Both that and the previously mentioned (by other people, I believe) >>>> classic add-ons archive, both hosted at github, have only XPL (?) >>>> files and source code files. >>>> >>>> I am running Seamonkey on UbuntuMATE Linux. >>> >>> I have the same setup of Seamonkey on Ubuntu, and running a MATE >>> desktop. >>> >> >> That would be useful, but... see below... >> >>>> >>>> These applications are not shown as having .deb packages or packages >>>> otherwise installable on Ubuntu Linux, and, Seamonkey does not locate >>>> them, in searching for add-ons to install. >>>> >>>> I am not capable of building packages for installation, from source >>>> code. >>>> >>>> So, how do I get either this version of ublock, or, the classic >>>> add-ons thingy, installed into Seamonkey, to make it operable? >>> >>> This is the difference between plug-in and extension. In a >>> Debian-derived environment, a plugin-is something that you install from >>> a .deb, and where you can remove with various APT-based tools, such as >>> apt-get, aptitude or dpkg. >>> >>> As noted earlier in this discussion, an extension is exclusively inside >>> the browser. And extensions are platform-neutral, since the code is all >>> scripting (JavaScript, I believe). Thus, download the .XPI file, then >>> go to the Add-Ons Manager, click the gear icon, select "Install Add-On >>> from file...", and select the downloaded .XPI. >>> >>> I will note that for most of the extensions that I run (including >>> uBlock, NoScript, Session Manager, Cookies Exterminator, Display >>> MailUserAgent, and several more), my habit is to download the .XPI file, >>> and then save a copy to my LAN. From that single download, I can >>> install in Seamonkey on any platform (including Windows, Linux and Mac) >>> and in any profile. >>> >>> The key here is that a .XPI file is scripting that's expected to run in >>> an Mozilla application. >>> >>> Unfortunately, at that level, there isn't any differentiation between >>> XUL and the newer WebExtensions. Thus, if you try to install a >>> WebExtensions extension in Seamonkey, you'll get an error, in the the >>> same way that current versions of Firefox and Thunderbird will reject >>> installation of extensions based on XUL. Thus you have to pay attention >>> to version numbers at the distribution site. >>> >>> For uBlock Origin, the current WebExtensions version is 1.32.4, and the >>> most recent XUL version (and is still being updated ) is 1.16.4.28. For >>> Seamonkey use, you don't want version numbers that are 1.17 or later. >>> >> >> Now, here's the rub... >> >> The version of ublock origin at the classic add-ons archive (CAA) >> library package thingy that installed, showed as 1.13. >> > > Sorry - in checking, it is 1.13.10. > >> Upon downloading, to "open" it with Seamonkey, the error message is >> "uBlock Origin/webext-hybrid could not be installed because it is not >> compatible with SeaMonkey 2.53.6." >> >> :( >> >> I will try the CAA versions of Adblock Plus, AdBlocker Ultimate, and >> AdBlocker for YouTube, and find whether they will install. >> >>> One other note about uBlock -- once you have it installed, it will >>> automatically update itself, when new versions are released. I notice >>> that my last downloaded copy is 1.16.4.25, but a check of Seamonkey >>> reveals that I'm running 1.16.4.28, and I haven't done anything specific >&g
Re: Fwd: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking
On 30/01/2021, Bret Busby wrote: > On 30/01/2021, NFN Smith wrote: >> Bret Busby wrote: >>> On 30/01/2021, NFN Smith wrote: >>>> Bret Busby wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> ublock origin is not found in searching in Add Ons, Extensions, or >>>>> Plug Ins for Seamonkey 2.53.6 for the build I previously specified. >>>>> >>>> >>>> If you check the Release Notes >>>> (https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/), there's >>>> a >>>> link there that resolves to >>>> https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases >>>> >>>> Smith >>>> >>> >>> Both that and the previously mentioned (by other people, I believe) >>> classic add-ons archive, both hosted at github, have only XPL (?) >>> files and source code files. >>> >>> I am running Seamonkey on UbuntuMATE Linux. >> >> I have the same setup of Seamonkey on Ubuntu, and running a MATE desktop. >> > > That would be useful, but... see below... > >>> >>> These applications are not shown as having .deb packages or packages >>> otherwise installable on Ubuntu Linux, and, Seamonkey does not locate >>> them, in searching for add-ons to install. >>> >>> I am not capable of building packages for installation, from source >>> code. >>> >>> So, how do I get either this version of ublock, or, the classic >>> add-ons thingy, installed into Seamonkey, to make it operable? >> >> This is the difference between plug-in and extension. In a >> Debian-derived environment, a plugin-is something that you install from >> a .deb, and where you can remove with various APT-based tools, such as >> apt-get, aptitude or dpkg. >> >> As noted earlier in this discussion, an extension is exclusively inside >> the browser. And extensions are platform-neutral, since the code is all >> scripting (JavaScript, I believe). Thus, download the .XPI file, then >> go to the Add-Ons Manager, click the gear icon, select "Install Add-On >> from file...", and select the downloaded .XPI. >> >> I will note that for most of the extensions that I run (including >> uBlock, NoScript, Session Manager, Cookies Exterminator, Display >> MailUserAgent, and several more), my habit is to download the .XPI file, >> and then save a copy to my LAN. From that single download, I can >> install in Seamonkey on any platform (including Windows, Linux and Mac) >> and in any profile. >> >> The key here is that a .XPI file is scripting that's expected to run in >> an Mozilla application. >> >> Unfortunately, at that level, there isn't any differentiation between >> XUL and the newer WebExtensions. Thus, if you try to install a >> WebExtensions extension in Seamonkey, you'll get an error, in the the >> same way that current versions of Firefox and Thunderbird will reject >> installation of extensions based on XUL. Thus you have to pay attention >> to version numbers at the distribution site. >> >> For uBlock Origin, the current WebExtensions version is 1.32.4, and the >> most recent XUL version (and is still being updated ) is 1.16.4.28. For >> Seamonkey use, you don't want version numbers that are 1.17 or later. >> > > Now, here's the rub... > > The version of ublock origin at the classic add-ons archive (CAA) > library package thingy that installed, showed as 1.13. > Sorry - in checking, it is 1.13.10. > Upon downloading, to "open" it with Seamonkey, the error message is > "uBlock Origin/webext-hybrid could not be installed because it is not > compatible with SeaMonkey 2.53.6." > > :( > > I will try the CAA versions of Adblock Plus, AdBlocker Ultimate, and > AdBlocker for YouTube, and find whether they will install. > >> One other note about uBlock -- once you have it installed, it will >> automatically update itself, when new versions are released. I notice >> that my last downloaded copy is 1.16.4.25, but a check of Seamonkey >> reveals that I'm running 1.16.4.28, and I haven't done anything specific >> to update. >> >> One other note -- when you're playing in this area, one old extension >> that I find useful is Add-ons Manager - Version Number. That one will >> show you the specific version that you're running, and I find that one >> useful. Unfortunately, it's an XUL extension that got dropped in the >> Firefox move to WebExtensions, and I think the only source for this one >> now is if you have installed the Classic Add-Ons Archive. >> >> Smith >> > > > -- > Bret Busby > UbuntuMATE User and Advocate > Clean Energy User and Advocate > Human Rights Advocate > UBI and Citizens Dividend Advocate > > Armadale > West Australia > (UTC+0800) > .. > ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fwd: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking
On 30/01/2021, NFN Smith wrote: > Bret Busby wrote: >> On 30/01/2021, NFN Smith wrote: >>> Bret Busby wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> ublock origin is not found in searching in Add Ons, Extensions, or >>>> Plug Ins for Seamonkey 2.53.6 for the build I previously specified. >>>> >>> >>> If you check the Release Notes >>> (https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/), there's a >>> link there that resolves to >>> https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases >>> >>> Smith >>> >> >> Both that and the previously mentioned (by other people, I believe) >> classic add-ons archive, both hosted at github, have only XPL (?) >> files and source code files. >> >> I am running Seamonkey on UbuntuMATE Linux. > > I have the same setup of Seamonkey on Ubuntu, and running a MATE desktop. > That would be useful, but... see below... >> >> These applications are not shown as having .deb packages or packages >> otherwise installable on Ubuntu Linux, and, Seamonkey does not locate >> them, in searching for add-ons to install. >> >> I am not capable of building packages for installation, from source code. >> >> So, how do I get either this version of ublock, or, the classic >> add-ons thingy, installed into Seamonkey, to make it operable? > > This is the difference between plug-in and extension. In a > Debian-derived environment, a plugin-is something that you install from > a .deb, and where you can remove with various APT-based tools, such as > apt-get, aptitude or dpkg. > > As noted earlier in this discussion, an extension is exclusively inside > the browser. And extensions are platform-neutral, since the code is all > scripting (JavaScript, I believe). Thus, download the .XPI file, then > go to the Add-Ons Manager, click the gear icon, select "Install Add-On > from file...", and select the downloaded .XPI. > > I will note that for most of the extensions that I run (including > uBlock, NoScript, Session Manager, Cookies Exterminator, Display > MailUserAgent, and several more), my habit is to download the .XPI file, > and then save a copy to my LAN. From that single download, I can > install in Seamonkey on any platform (including Windows, Linux and Mac) > and in any profile. > > The key here is that a .XPI file is scripting that's expected to run in > an Mozilla application. > > Unfortunately, at that level, there isn't any differentiation between > XUL and the newer WebExtensions. Thus, if you try to install a > WebExtensions extension in Seamonkey, you'll get an error, in the the > same way that current versions of Firefox and Thunderbird will reject > installation of extensions based on XUL. Thus you have to pay attention > to version numbers at the distribution site. > > For uBlock Origin, the current WebExtensions version is 1.32.4, and the > most recent XUL version (and is still being updated ) is 1.16.4.28. For > Seamonkey use, you don't want version numbers that are 1.17 or later. > Now, here's the rub... The version of ublock origin at the classic add-ons archive (CAA) library package thingy that installed, showed as 1.13. Upon downloading, to "open" it with Seamonkey, the error message is "uBlock Origin/webext-hybrid could not be installed because it is not compatible with SeaMonkey 2.53.6." :( I will try the CAA versions of Adblock Plus, AdBlocker Ultimate, and AdBlocker for YouTube, and find whether they will install. > One other note about uBlock -- once you have it installed, it will > automatically update itself, when new versions are released. I notice > that my last downloaded copy is 1.16.4.25, but a check of Seamonkey > reveals that I'm running 1.16.4.28, and I haven't done anything specific > to update. > > One other note -- when you're playing in this area, one old extension > that I find useful is Add-ons Manager - Version Number. That one will > show you the specific version that you're running, and I find that one > useful. Unfortunately, it's an XUL extension that got dropped in the > Firefox move to WebExtensions, and I think the only source for this one > now is if you have installed the Classic Add-Ons Archive. > > Smith > -- Bret Busby UbuntuMATE User and Advocate Clean Energy User and Advocate Human Rights Advocate UBI and Citizens Dividend Advocate Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fwd: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking
On 30/01/2021, NFN Smith wrote: > Bret Busby wrote: > >> >> ublock origin is not found in searching in Add Ons, Extensions, or >> Plug Ins for Seamonkey 2.53.6 for the build I previously specified. >> > > If you check the Release Notes > (https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.53.6/), there's a > link there that resolves to > https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy/releases > > Smith > Both that and the previously mentioned (by other people, I believe) classic add-ons archive, both hosted at github, have only XPL (?) files and source code files. I am running Seamonkey on UbuntuMATE Linux. These applications are not shown as having .deb packages or packages otherwise installable on Ubuntu Linux, and, Seamonkey does not locate them, in searching for add-ons to install. I am not capable of building packages for installation, from source code. So, how do I get either this version of ublock, or, the classic add-ons thingy, installed into Seamonkey, to make it operable? -- Bret Busby UbuntuMATE User and Advocate Clean Energy User and Advocate Human Rights Advocate UBI and Citizens Dividend Advocate Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking
On 26/01/2021, Dirk Fieldhouse wrote: > On 25/01/2021 18:57, Bret Busby wrote: >> I am running >> >> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 >> Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.6 >> Build identifier: 20210118013008 >> >> on UbuntuMATE Linux 20.10. >> >> Seamonkey does not allow ad blocking plugins like Adblock Plus and >> Adblock Ultimate, etc, that are allowed by Firefox, and, a plugin name >> "Bluehell Firewall" that apparently does ad blocking and tracking >> blocking, is "not compatible with your version of Seamonkey. > > Bluhell Firewall 2.6.4 (FWIW an extension, not a plugin) works fine, > certainly on 2.53.5.1 and earlier, but see below. > Now, here is an interesting observation. Two computers, both running Seamonkey 2.53.6 (and, the same build number) on UbuntuMATE Linux 20.10, one (running an i7 CPU) installed the Bluhell firewall add-on, without any problem, and, the other (running an i5 CPU), returns the error "This add-on is not compatible with your version of Seamonkey". Hmm. -- Bret Busby UbuntuMATE User and Advocate Clean Energy User and Advocate Human Rights Advocate UBI and Citizens Dividend Advocate Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Fwd: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking
Forwarded to list, as reply did not default to list. -- Forwarded message -- From: Bret Busby Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 00:00:20 +0800 Subject: Re: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking To: Rubens On 29/01/2021, Rubens via support-seamonkey wrote: > >>> >> It is not plugins, but extensions that do the ad and tracking blocking. >> uBlock Origin still works well with SeaMonkey. >> > > Same here. ublock origin is not found in searching in Add Ons, Extensions, or Plug Ins for Seamonkey 2.53.6 for the build I previously specified. -- Bret Busby UbuntuMATE User and Advocate Clean Energy User and Advocate Human Rights Advocate UBI and Citizens Dividend Advocate Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. -- Bret Busby UbuntuMATE User and Advocate Clean Energy User and Advocate Human Rights Advocate UBI and Citizens Dividend Advocate Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking
On 26/1/21 10:08 pm, Dirk Fieldhouse wrote: On 25/01/2021 18:57, Bret Busby wrote: I am running User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.6 Build identifier: 20210118013008 on UbuntuMATE Linux 20.10. Seamonkey does not allow ad blocking plugins like Adblock Plus and Adblock Ultimate, etc, that are allowed by Firefox, and, a plugin name "Bluehell Firewall" that apparently does ad blocking and tracking blocking, is "not compatible with your version of Seamonkey. Bluhell Firewall 2.6.4 (FWIW an extension, not a plugin) works fine, certainly on 2.53.5.1 and earlier, but see below. A strip had been appearing across the top of the window, for a particular web site, and, it had displayed "Parts of the page that track your online activity were blocked Blocking>" ... The strip across the top of the window, no longer appears for that web site, and, in going into the web browser preferences, I can not find a way to restore the ad blocking and tracking blocking, for that web site. Why is Seamonkey blocking the ad blocking and he tracking blocking? Keep Blocking uses the settings from Preferences>Privacy & Security. Unblock grants permissions that you can revoke or otherwise modify through Tools>Data Manager, select site, Permissions tab. That may be what you're looking for. SM doesn't have ad-blocking built in. Thank you for that. In using that process, and, changing the settings for the three variables, to default (global for Seamonkey), the settings are restored, and, the tracking warning strip is again displayed. Regarding the ad blocking, without the tracking blocking being operative, ads would be displayed on the web page; with the tracking blocking being again operative, the ads are again stopped from being displayed. It may be that the displaying of the ads, is dependent on the tracking; that, for that web site, at least (if not others, where I also see the tracking blocking warning strip displayed), the ads rely on context, without which, they are not displayed? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Attention: Seamonkey Support mailing list List administrator - Email abuse incident
Hello. Please view the text of the full header version of the message below. The message was sent direct to me, within minutes of my having posted a message to the mailing list. I believe that a malicious entity has implemented an automated email spoofing activity, to sabotage the mailing list, as part of the campaign of Trump and his minions, to sabotage the USA, and attack the Democrat Party member of the USA Congress, as he caused one of his minions to make a death threat against the member of the USA Congress, apart from Trump's act of high treason against the USA. Please investigate the email message below, and, if possible, remove from the mailing list, the entity responsible for sending the malicious email messages as below, to posters to this mailing list. Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. -- Forwarded message -- Return-Path: Delivered-To: b...@busby.net Received: from cp-41.webhostbox.net by cp-41.webhostbox.net with LMTP id +IEqAdsUD2DcAQkAzadgaQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 18:58:35 + Return-path: Envelope-to: b...@busby.net Delivery-date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 18:58:35 + Received: from mail-pl1-f177.google.com ([209.85.214.177]:34442) by cp-41.webhostbox.net with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1l474M-002WGK-FV for b...@busby.net; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 18:58:35 + Received: by mail-pl1-f177.google.com with SMTP id t6so8255035plq.1 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 10:58:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ocasiocortez.com; s=google; h=from:auto-submitted:to:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:subject :message-id:date:mime-version; bh=Q2DY+2uODdpKutWwzrlO810gRB5bX6k9tWrPe40dMBM=; b=jzBS65fVq/OeCzmr/sTWkugpI+UsW/OlFlAdk7JYlDSQvkABxK7Z6J2Y+0qNEFycfx aiu3kYjcy2/JMAJhZgedy+FFXYAqCJ0o+axn8c1pP+5tvcVVndzvIANQUtWIhviJzt24 F3ZRlDw2uQlMZ1g4Z7gchWvhCePN7u1WSb8UtruyQYr6vLoDKxZOaPlxED8tb1pTpk3C 9+srE6igMYvhmW3XWwvUXbhSQ+wk6bpucdm8YSrAbKjjRG1tER2uoC2jEAsuVM2ENQqi vj3mB+xTH9yDPliA77gFdzN8a+RBV0lrO0VSmnnyDZwheCdCPpNGUr0swtwJidDOlRZS W9LQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:auto-submitted:to:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:subject:message-id:date:mime-version; bh=Q2DY+2uODdpKutWwzrlO810gRB5bX6k9tWrPe40dMBM=; b=brmnd4rwUPkpIJufdUm5MLZf7c3N8ge6Geg8Wto+C2IzQWHXF/tcKC9TcfiKKlFOd2 D1mV/gIZH+Js8eoJmO2Vn75yMd1pp1fSqHh73DiCxMoxmupU74e7+3pbxavH1Y+2Kku1 PSi/FsKHCuQvYZdn4Fmv/jyr+AfaN+F6mK9Hc1iBrsYE3Q4YwjXME6QCHYkJul6RAgN3 wOLrf8cILybgTCP+BOP2FkI8mUnUikrEh7h2GU0GbvvgiRUtT5NuQNwZnanRJxpyN9v5 ZBegqNmdTG+/8SERtiLqg3inb0I8WtxewO2exTJBJn3/LOFiI57f180tI6Zj+vTdbAPQ MMAQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533MuIx+4Ua/ecaJ+u7uLELzcMfgt0DuRr7fL5bMzkWdKU22sgGv MMGb3/rwgD+07Ayp1no74DI0B61epLctkw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzd5u3IOE549tJhZEPVOxwFbGVpv2hb1mvrg7Oe1QLPECTuKmVoWQt6z761oDwamVULndD8 jQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:820a:b029:da:f380:8629 with SMTP id x10-20020a170902820ab02900daf3808629mr1904192pln.54.1611601102928; Mon, 25 Jan 2021 10:58:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from out.frontapp.com (out-3.frontapp.com. [54.193.248.171]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 124sm17361922pfc.196.2021.01.25.10.58.21 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 25 Jan 2021 10:58:22 -0800 (PST) From: pr...@ocasiocortez.com X-Google-Original-From: pr...@ocasio2018.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="sinikael-?=_1-16116011010950.26926777620564635" X-Front-ID: 9b5305c384b2f5ab2ecde7fa41323...@frontapp.com X-Front-Transactional: yes X-Front-Autoreply: yes Auto-Submitted: auto-replied To: Bret Busby Reply-To: pr...@ocasio2018.com In-Reply-To: References: <9b5305c384b2f5ab2ecde7fa41323...@frontapp.com> Subject: Re: Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking Message-ID: <9b5305c384b2f5ab2ecde7fa41323...@frontapp.com> X-Mailer: nodemailer (2.6.4; +https://nodemailer.com/; SMTP/2.7.2[client:2.12.0]) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 18:58:21 + MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 X-Spam-Score: -11 X-Spam-Bar: - X-Spam-Flag: NO --sinikael-?=_1-16116011010950.26926777620564635 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, Thanks very much for your message, and for reaching out to the = campaign office of Representative Ocasio-Cortez!=20 For press inquiries, please reach out to our Press Secretary, Ivet = Contreras, at i...@ocasiocortez.com. We also recommend following Alexandria= on Twitter for direct quotes and real-time updates. Sign up for our press = advisory list here.
Seamonkey 2.53.6 - why does it block ad blocking and tracking blocking
Hello. I am running " User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.6 Build identifier: 20210118013008 " on UbuntuMATE Linux 20.10. Seamonkey does not allow ad blocking plugins like Adblock Plus and Adblock Ultimate, etc, that are allowed by Firefox, and, a plugin name "Bluehell Firewall" that apparently does ad blocking and tracking blocking, is "not compatible with your version of Seamonkey. A strip had been appearing across the top of the window, for a particular web site, and, it had displayed "Parts of the page that track your online activity were blocked Blocking>" In using a wireless mouse, that goes to sleep, when not in use, and, which requires to be clicked, to awaken it, in one instance, after logging in to the computer again, and, clicking the mouse, to awaken it, it apparently clicked on the "Unblock" option, which was then, implemented without confirmation being requested, and, I cannot restore the tracking blocking for that web site, and, so, now, I have even more problems with that web site, more than usual. It is one of those web site that can be useful when it behaves itself, but, is otherwise, problematic (and, apparently, as is revealed, a bit malicious). The strip across the top of the window, no longer appears for that web site, and, in going into the web browser preferences, I can not find a way to restore the ad blocking and tracking blocking, for that web site. Why is Seamonkey blocking the ad blocking and he tracking blocking? Why does Seamonkey not allow the plugins that have mentioned, to work with this version of Seamonkey? In that strip that no longer is displayed for that web site, on another web page, where the strip is displayed (sinister state government parliamentary web site), clicking on the Preferences button in the strip, to find whether I can remove the unblocking for the offending URL, has no effect; the "Preferences" button only takes me to the Preferences -> Privacy & Security menu. And, in the Preferences -> Privacy & Security menu, are the two options; "()Prevent tracking activities by known sites () Warn me when known tracking activities were detected" with the second option being able to be implemented, only when the first option is implemented. But, unchecking both of those, and, then, checking them again, does not restore the ad blocking and tracking blocking, where it was inadvertently unblocked. And, no option is apparent, for listing/editing blocked or unblocked web sites or URL's. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Examining complete mail headers - was [Re: SPAM from "... campaign office of Representative Ocasio-Cortez! ..."]
On 9/1/21 8:21 pm, Richard Owlett wrote:
On 01/08/2021 02:15 PM, Bret Busby wrote:
[snip]
Whilst I personally believe that the post above, is not appropriate
for a software support mailing list, have you tried examining the full
headers of the malicious email messages?
What tool can I use to examine full mail headers of a specific message?
I'm using {User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.4} on Debian Stretch.
TIA
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I am running SeaMonkey version 2.53.5.1 on UbuntuMATE 20.10 .
In this version, and, I expect that this functionality would also apply
to your version, in the menu bar at the top of the window, select View
then Headers, and then, the default selected option is "Normal" -
instead, select "All".
For most of my email, I download the email using alpine (previously
known as pine), and it is very good for functionality such as viewing
headers, and, filtering.
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UBI and Citizens Dividend Advocate
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Re: SPAM from "... campaign office of Representative Ocasio-Cortez! ..."
On 9/1/21 4:15 am, Bret Busby wrote: On 9/1/21 12:01 am, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Hi, it seems that I get a SPAM mail with contents as you see in Subject. Anybody else? DU Rainer ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey Whilst I personally believe that the post above, is not appropriate for a software support mailing list, have you tried examining the full headers of the malicious email messages? I doubt that the messages are being sent from the woman's campaign office (I am not one of her constituents - I am in another country), and, I think that her name is probably spelled wrong. The malicious email probably comes from one of Trump's co-conspirators, trying to create ill-will against the legally elected USA members of the federal parliament. But, if you have not already, examine the full header of the messages. It just occurred to me - if the subject field of the message, included the exclamation mark as shown, the message was probably sent by Trump himself (the inappropriate exclamation mark, is Trump's callsign), if not his co-conspirators (the ones that re left at the outhouse, after most of them have jumped off the sinking ship). But, examine the full message headers of the messages. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SPAM from "... campaign office of Representative Ocasio-Cortez! ..."
On 9/1/21 12:01 am, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: Hi, it seems that I get a SPAM mail with contents as you see in Subject. Anybody else? DU Rainer ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey Whilst I personally believe that the post above, is not appropriate for a software support mailing list, have you tried examining the full headers of the malicious email messages? I doubt that the messages are being sent from the woman's campaign office (I am not one of her constituents - I am in another country), and, I think that her name is probably spelled wrong. The malicious email probably comes from one of Trump's co-conspirators, trying to create ill-will against the legally elected USA members of the federal parliament. But, if you have not already, examine the full header of the messages. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.48 available
On 05/02/2017, Ray Davison <ray...@charter.net> wrote: > Bret Busby wrote: >> what is the command to show the version number >> that is installed, without having to load the application? > > Can you run SM? > Does "Help" appear at the top of the SM window? > If you click it does that produce a drop down that includes "About SM"? > If you click that does it yield the SM version? > > That is standard for maybe all apps. > > Ray > Yes - I can do all of that. As is in my signature, it was the particular wording of the question. I do not remember whether Seamonkey (my installed version appears to be 2.29.1, from memory - it is in a previous message that I posted), can preserve sessions in the same way that Firefox, with the appropriate plugin(s) installed, can, but, from memory, my last Seamonkey session had many windows with many tabs, and would take an hour or so, to load, and would probably run the system out of resources, with the current session of Firefox, and so, to load all of that, simply to find the installed version number, is a bit like using a D-10 bulldozer, to chip a thistle plant. As I have previously mentioned, with the system as described in the full text of the question that I had posted, I had subsequently found that running "seamonkey -v" at the command line, apparently achieved what I sought. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: new 2.48 available
On 31/01/2017, Daniel <dan...@albury.net.spam.au> wrote: > On 30/01/2017 6:06 PM, Bret Busby wrote: >> On 30/01/2017, WaltS48 <thalion...@removeaim.com> wrote: >>> On 01/29/2017 06:31 PM, Pat Connors wrote: >>>> I have been using 2.47 without any problems, and I see this (2.48) is >>>> not on the SeaMonkey website, so is it not authorized as is the 2.47 I >>>> am using? Is there a good reason why I should switch when I have no >>>> problems with my 2.47? >>> >>> There is no official SeaMonkey 2.47 either. The current official >>> SeaMonkey release is 2.46, released Dec. 22, 2016. >>> >>> You are probably using an unofficial build from Adrian. If he has an >>> update available it's probably okay to use. >>> >>> The fragmentation of builds makes support a bit harder IMHO. >>> >>> -- >>> Visit Pittsburgh <http://www.visitpittsburgh.com/> >>> Coexist <https://www.coexist.org/> >>> National Popular Vote <http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/> >>> Ubuntu 16.04LTS >> >> Because your signature shows you to be using Ubuntu 16.04, as am I (I >> use UbuntuMATE 16.04), what is the command to show the version number >> that is installed, without having to load the application? >> >> Thank you in anticipation. >> > Brett, in about:config search for "useragent" (without the quotes) and > set the pref "mailnews.headers.showUserAgent" to true, then, in the > Header pane of e-mails and newsgroup posts, you should see the User > Agent string e.g. for me, yours shows as "" ... hmm, you don't show > a User Agent in your headers. I was going to ask is you were posting via > Google-groups, but as I see a "X-Usenet-Provider: > http://www.giganews.com;, I'm guessing No!! > > -- > Daniel > > User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 > SeaMonkey/2.46 Build identifier: 20161213183751 > or > User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 > SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501 > ___ > support-seamonkey mailing list > support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey > Hello. Firstly, regarding the header, etc, I am running Firefox to access gmail, for this access, for which, the gmail full header (in gmail, selecting Show Original) shows " Original message Message ID
Re: new 2.48 available
On 30/01/2017, WaltS48 <thalion...@removeaim.com> wrote: > On 01/29/2017 06:31 PM, Pat Connors wrote: >> I have been using 2.47 without any problems, and I see this (2.48) is >> not on the SeaMonkey website, so is it not authorized as is the 2.47 I >> am using? Is there a good reason why I should switch when I have no >> problems with my 2.47? >> > > > There is no official SeaMonkey 2.47 either. The current official > SeaMonkey release is 2.46, released Dec. 22, 2016. > > You are probably using an unofficial build from Adrian. If he has an > update available it's probably okay to use. > > The fragmentation of builds makes support a bit harder IMHO. > > -- > Visit Pittsburgh <http://www.visitpittsburgh.com/> > Coexist <https://www.coexist.org/> > National Popular Vote <http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/> > Ubuntu 16.04LTS Because your signature shows you to be using Ubuntu 16.04, as am I (I use UbuntuMATE 16.04), what is the command to show the version number that is installed, without having to load the application? Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
On Wed, 25 Jan 2017, Ed Mullen wrote:
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 11:26:18
This nonesense, anti-deluvial crap about plain-text is crap and nowhere near
real-world. Who are you people and what world do you inhabit?
You sound like one of those USA people who decided to defecate in their
own lounge room and to defecate on the rest of the world, by imposing
the President Dump on the world. Especially, with your repeated
reference to the President Dump.
("What is the stink emanating from the White House? Oh, that is the
President Dump - the USA's bad practical joke on the world.")
Your contempt for the use of plain text formatting, simply proves an
earlier point of mine.
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Armadale
West Australia
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you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
"The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
A Trilogy In Four Parts",
written by Douglas Adams,
published by Pan Books, 1992
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Re: Plain-text formatting
On Thu, 26 Jan 2017, Bret Busby wrote: Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 01:42:29 From: Bret Busby <b...@busby.net> To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting On Wed, 25 Jan 2017, Wolf wrote: Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:57:04 From: Wolf <nomail@nomail.invalid> To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting Frank-Rainer Grahl schrieb: Well I prefer plain text not because of bandwidth limitation but it has other advantages: Security: No stupid picture links trying to divert you to an attack site. You see the links in plain text and can decide if they are legit. No hidden tags etc... Readability: Most web fonts just s*ck and if the sender decides to really play with colors and stuff it get urgkkk very fast :) When I send and read mail its usually because of the information and the blink blink just distracts from it. And its so convenient just to copy and past the unformatted text into your favorite editor or word processor. FRG +1 Regards Wolf It is really quite a simple matter. If a person sending an email message, intends to show respect for the people expected to read the message, the message will be sent in plain text format. If the person sending an email message, intends to show contempt for the people expected to read the email message, it will be sent in other than plain text format (unless, it is explicitly requested to be sent in other than plain text format, by all the people who are expected to read it). If a person gets a meal from a restaurant, the person does not expect to find within the meal, contents from the restaurant cat's toilet box. Similarly, for the most part, people reading an email message, do not expect it to contain extraneous (figurative) faecal matter that is usually designed to defeat email filters. After posting the above message, I remembered the recent (in the last few years, I believe) Australian federal government "Post your poop to a pollie" campaign, where the federal government requested that the public defecate each in an envelope, and put it in the postal mail (I don't envy the postal workers who would have had to clear jams in sorting machines). It is pretty much the same as sending email messages that are not in plain text format. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
On Wed, 25 Jan 2017, Wolf wrote: Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:57:04 From: Wolf <nomail@nomail.invalid> To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting Frank-Rainer Grahl schrieb: Well I prefer plain text not because of bandwidth limitation but it has other advantages: Security: No stupid picture links trying to divert you to an attack site. You see the links in plain text and can decide if they are legit. No hidden tags etc... Readability: Most web fonts just s*ck and if the sender decides to really play with colors and stuff it get urgkkk very fast :) When I send and read mail its usually because of the information and the blink blink just distracts from it. And its so convenient just to copy and past the unformatted text into your favorite editor or word processor. FRG +1 Regards Wolf It is really quite a simple matter. If a person sending an email message, intends to show respect for the people expected to read the message, the message will be sent in plain text format. If the person sending an email message, intends to show contempt for the people expected to read the email message, it will be sent in other than plain text format (unless, it is explicitly requested to be sent in other than plain text format, by all the people who are expected to read it). If a person gets a meal from a restaurant, the person does not expect to find within the meal, contents from the restaurant cat's toilet box. Similarly, for the most part, people reading an email message, do not expect it to contain extraneous (figurative) faecal matter that is usually designed to defeat email filters. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fwd: Plain-text formatting
On 24/01/2017, Daniel <dan...@albury.net.spam.au> wrote: > On 24/01/2017 1:49 AM, Bret Busby wrote: >> Forwarding what should have been an off-list message, to the list, as >> the address to which the reply was addressed, is bogus. >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: Bret Busby <bret.bu...@gmail.com> >> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:46:45 +0800 >> Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting >> To: Daniel <dan...@albury.net.spam.au> >> >> On 23/01/2017, Daniel <dan...@albury.net.spam.au> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> One day, if I'm lucky, I'll get an ADSL standard connection. But not >>> soon!! >>> >>> -- >>> Daniel >>> >> >> Ah - I think you will be out of luck, there. >> >> The whole landline telephone network is being progressively shut down, >> in Australia, and, replaced with the forced NBN thing, which means, >> amongst other things, that the emergency services will be >> incommunicado, in an electricity failure. We are told that we will >> have to keep our cellphones fully charged, all of the time, to provide >> for the NBN and therefore, communications with the emergency services, >> going down. But, for people like us, who have intermittent cellphone >> access, "we just gotta die" After all, Western Australia IS a remote >> community... I don't know what your cellphone access in Albury, is >> like, but, if it is as bad as ours, you will need a very reliable >> prayer book. >> >> > No, Bret, my mobile 'phone access is reasonably reliable, even here at > Broadford, Vic, but, because of my previous poor landline 'phone service > at my previous residence (Killara on the outskirts of Wodonga), I've > been using a 3G USB Dongle for my Internet access for many years. > > And my ISP is not one of the big, powerful, NBN providers, so I may not > be getting an improved service from the NBN! > NBN does not necessarily mean that customers get the speeds that they want or expect. Our ADSL2 service gives us maximum normal download speed of around 8-9Mb/s, or, 1 MB/s, and, in watching my system monitor, I have seen it peak at 2MB/s. However, in Australia (where the Internet is officially not regarded as telecommunications, by the office of the TIO), many people are not able to get ADSL speeds that others can get, with the whizzbang NBN dump. Of course, then, there are the issues such as hosting server capacities, and, incompetent (or malicious) web design, so that, for example, I can get Ubuntu Linux system updates, downloading at anything up to 2 MB/s, and, weather bureau (government websites are apparently, the worst written websites on the Internet) local observations web pages, timing out And, in terms of demand for services, being a factor, I generally get the best download speeds, from youtube. So, whilst the NBN is touted as the wonderful, whizzbang, high speed breakthrough for Australia, what Australia is getting, is like the electricity supply - "sometimes it works, and, sometimes, it doesn't, so, if you do not expect it to work, you will not be disappointed". -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
On 23/01/2017, Bret Busby <bret.bu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Forwarding what should have been an off-list message, to the list, as > the address to which the reply was addressed, is bogus. > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Bret Busby <bret.bu...@gmail.com> > Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:46:45 +0800 > Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting > To: Daniel <dan...@albury.net.spam.au> > > On 23/01/2017, Daniel <dan...@albury.net.spam.au> wrote: > > >> >> One day, if I'm lucky, I'll get an ADSL standard connection. But not >> soon!! >> >> -- >> Daniel >> > > Ah - I think you will be out of luck, there. > > The whole landline telephone network is being progressively shut down, > in Australia, and, replaced with the forced NBN thing, which means, > amongst other things, that the emergency services will be > incommunicado, in an electricity failure. We are told that we will > have to keep our cellphones fully charged, all of the time, to provide > for the NBN and therefore, communications with the emergency services, > going down. But, for people like us, who have intermittent cellphone > access, "we just gotta die" After all, Western Australia IS a remote > community... I don't know what your cellphone access in Albury, is > like, but, if it is as bad as ours, you will need a very reliable > prayer book. > Oh, and, because this is a country where households get punished for having and using domestic rooftop photovoltaic systems (Australia has yet to progress out of the coal-fired steam age), we are prohibited from having and using battery storage systems, that could otherwise help protect us from the all-too frequent electricity blackouts due to malevolent and incompetent electricity companies. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Fwd: Plain-text formatting
Forwarding what should have been an off-list message, to the list, as the address to which the reply was addressed, is bogus. -- Forwarded message -- From: Bret Busby <bret.bu...@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:46:45 +0800 Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting To: Daniel <dan...@albury.net.spam.au> On 23/01/2017, Daniel <dan...@albury.net.spam.au> wrote: > > One day, if I'm lucky, I'll get an ADSL standard connection. But not soon!! > > -- > Daniel > Ah - I think you will be out of luck, there. The whole landline telephone network is being progressively shut down, in Australia, and, replaced with the forced NBN thing, which means, amongst other things, that the emergency services will be incommunicado, in an electricity failure. We are told that we will have to keep our cellphones fully charged, all of the time, to provide for the NBN and therefore, communications with the emergency services, going down. But, for people like us, who have intermittent cellphone access, "we just gotta die" After all, Western Australia IS a remote community... I don't know what your cellphone access in Albury, is like, but, if it is as bad as ours, you will need a very reliable prayer book. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 .... -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Browser: unwanted https instead of http
On 12/10/2016, Rainer Bielefeld <mobil_i...@bielefeldundbuss.de> wrote: > Hi, > > on some (few) web pages I can not reach the linked contents because my > unofficial en-US SeaMonkey 2.49a1 (NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) > Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0 Build 20160930004545 (Default Classic > Theme) on German WIN7 64bit with my normal User Profile automatically > replaces "http" in URL by "https". > > Example: > 1. In Browser visit <http://www.draytek.de/> > 2. In page contents heading line >ˋclick downloads - Firmwareˊ >Expected: <http://myvigoreu.draytek.com/download_de/> opens >Actual: <https://myvigoreu.draytek.com/download_de/> will > not open because it does not exist. So Error 404. > > I see that after a short moment in URL bar "http" becomes replaced by > "https" > > This also happens in Safe Mode without add-ons > No problem in a newly created User Profile. > So this problem seems to be caused by my preferences, but I can't find > the responsible one. > > Any ideas? > > Best Regards > > Rainer > ___ > support-seamonkey mailing list > support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey > Hello. It is my understanding, and, I accept correction, if I am wrong, that many web sites have been changed to https, for the sake of web site security; to try to prevent their web sites from being breached and malicious material being inserted on their web sites. From what I understand, the changing to https, has nothing to do with the web browser being used (although, I have found that some of the web browsers that I use, have problems with https, or, with some https web sites), but, is instead, solely the intent of the web site developers and maintainers. As I stated, I stand to be corrected, if I am wrong. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey in Debian Jessie (stable)
On 12/03/2016, NFN Smith <worldoff9...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Beyond that, I believe that I've seen in news fairly recently that > Debian and Mozilla are in the process of settling their differences > (Mozilla logos, and Debian adjustments to Mozilla code), and that before > long, we may see Firefox (by name) in Debian repositories. If that's > true, I think it likely that further into the future, we may see the > same with Thunderbird and Seamonkey. > > Smith I hope that that would mean that seamonkey would be upgraded to the functionality of iceape, whereby, upon installation, in the applications menu, separate options are displayed, for loading and running the browser component, and, the email component, instead of users being required to additionally install thunderbird, solely to get a separate menu option to load and run a mozilla based email application. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey in Debian Jessie (stable)
On 09/03/2016, Matthias Mueller <mmueller.de1...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > i am relatively new to linux and trying to get Seamonkey to work. There is > no package in the Debian Repositories. > Have you tried https://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/files/mozilla/apt/pool/main/s/seamonkey-mozilla-build/ ? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Is JAVA safe ?
On 21/02/2016, DoctorBill <ab...@example.com> wrote: > I have been converting and watching YouTube vids > converted to flv files via Keepvid. > (FLV-Media-Player). > > I now want to save the files as mp3's, but it > requires the latest JAVA plugin. The mp3's can be > saved to DVD and played on my digital SAYO TV. > > Is the new JAVA safe ? Why is JAVA required for > mp3 ? I barely know enough of this stuff to use > the Keepvid program. > > I hope this isn't muddled up by my ignorance > > DoctorBill Whilst you have not specified the operating system that you are using, the full header of your message above, shows it it be a version of MS Windows (it shows as Mozilla 5, running on Windows NT 5.1, or, the Mozilla version for NT 5.1). I am using a version of Linux; UbuntuMATE 15.10, and it is relatively easy to use, and has a Windows 95 like interface, as I have it configured. And, it has much free software, and a much lower risk of security breaches, than MS Windows. One of the (many) free applications available, is a media player named VLC, that happily plays .flv files, as well as .wmv, .avi, and, mp4 (of the MPEG family) files. One thing that you might want to try, with your videos and your digital television, (assuming that your television has a socket for it, and, your computer is either sufficiently close, or, a sufficiently portable computer, and, also has a socket for it, is connecting your computer to your television, with an HDMI cable, and, playing the videos on your computer, with them being displayed on the television. I have done this, and have experienced quite good results. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey newsgroup Compose From: field
On 28/12/2015, Me <no...@noplace.com> wrote: > Sillyness. Nowhere near as silly as using the email name of "Me". -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Request for restoration of feature - separate components menu items
On 18/12/2015, WaltS48 <thalion...@removeaim.com> wrote: > On 12/18/2015 03:52 AM, Daniel wrote: >> On 18/12/2015 4:36 PM, Bret Busby wrote: >>> Hello. >>> >>> I am using Seamonkey on UbuntuMATE 15.10 . >>> >>> The only menu option that appears for SeaMonkey in this installation >>> (on both of two separate computers), is "Mozilla build of Seamonkey". >>> >>> In previously used SeaMonkey (2.2x) on Debian 6, three separate menu >>> options were displayed in the menu (Applications -> Internet); >>> something like "Seamonkey Compose New Message", Seamonkey Mail and >>> NewsGroups", and, Seamonkey web browser", which allowed a user to >>> access the new message composer, or, the Mail and News Groups >>> component (to examine previously sent messages, and, for other uses), >>> or, the web browser component, without having to load the web browser >>> component (thence restoring the last previous saved session, if the >>> web browser component is configured to restart with the last session). >>> >>> I do not know whether the developers read the messages on this list, >>> but I am wondering whether it would be possible to restore the >>> functionality, of having those three separate menu options, so that a >>> user like me, can chose to simply open the Compose New Message >>> component, without having to reload the last session of the web >>> browser. >>> >>> Thank you in anticipation. >>> >> Bret, I'm using my Win7 SeaMonkey tonight, and have never seen "the menu >> (Applications -> Internet)", so can only assume that is a UbuntuMate >> modification. >> >> However, in my installation, under "Window", I see that I can open and >> change to any of five windows (Browser, Mail & News, Composer, >> Addressbook and IRC). Do you not see this, or is this not what you are >> referring to?? Maybe Ubuntu has modified SeaMonkey! >> > > I think the question is could the SeaMonkey developers fix SeaMonkey so > his operating systems Application launcher shows the three items under > the Internet heading like it did in Debian. > > AIUI Ubuntu doesn't even offer SeaMonkey anymore. > > Users that want it for Ubuntu have to add a 3rd party repository called > Ubuntuzilla. > > UbuntuUpdates - PPA: Ubuntuzilla - > <http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppa/ubuntuzilla> > > Or install from The SeaMonkey® Project - > <http://www.seamonkey-project.org/> which AFAIK doesn't add the > functionality. I don't see the items in my Application > Internet Menu. > > I thought I had SM installed through my software manager, but it appears > I don't. IIRC when I did have it installed from a repo there were menu > items for launching the browser or mail, but not just the compose window. > I am thinking now, that I may have been mistaken - I think that the three separate menu entries to which I refer, were for the iceape suite, which was a Debian version of Seamonkey, which was similar to, but not exactly the same as, Seamonkey. The next time that I do a system update (as the currently outstanding update, involves a kernel update, which requires a system reboot, and the reboot, with restoring browser sessions, takes a couple or a few hours, so, gets deferred until it is less inconvenient), I need to remember to examine the installations of Debian 6 and the previous (10.04 and 12.04) installations of Ubuntu, to find whether I am correct, in believing now, that it was in fact iceape, and, not Seamonkey, that had the separate menu entries for the separate components. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Request for restoration of feature - separate components menu items
Hello. I am using Seamonkey on UbuntuMATE 15.10 . The only menu option that appears for SeaMonkey in this installation (on both of two separate computers), is "Mozilla build of Seamonkey". In previously used SeaMonkey (2.2x) on Debian 6, three separate menu options were displayed in the menu (Applications -> Internet); something like "Seamonkey Compose New Message", Seamonkey Mail and NewsGroups", and, Seamonkey web browser", which allowed a user to access the new message composer, or, the Mail and News Groups component (to examine previously sent messages, and, for other uses), or, the web browser component, without having to load the web browser component (thence restoring the last previous saved session, if the web browser component is configured to restart with the last session). I do not know whether the developers read the messages on this list, but I am wondering whether it would be possible to restore the functionality, of having those three separate menu options, so that a user like me, can chose to simply open the Compose New Message component, without having to reload the last session of the web browser. Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Warning of Registry Error - Call 800 - Blah Blah Blah !
On 18/11/2015, Ray_Net <tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be> wrote: > Bret Busby wrote on 18/11/2015 10:07: >> On 18/11/2015, Ray_Net <tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be> wrote: >>> Bret Busby wrote on 17/11/2015 17:55: >>>> , so I would not expect to find any current anti-malware software, >>>> available for MS Windows XP or any earlier versions of MS Windows. >>> Why did you say that ? >>> On page: https://www.malwarebytes.org/antimalware/ >>> We can read: >>> *Software Requirements:* >>> Windows XP (Service Pack 2 or later, 32-bit only) >>> >> Hmmm. >> >> I have never heard of that one. >> >> So, is the original poster's system, 32-bit? >> >> In the lack of specifications provided by the original poster, that is >> consequently one omission, so, that particular previously unknown (to >> me) anti-malware software, may not be applicable to the original >> poster's system, anyway. >> >> > NO NOT ANYWAY !!! > His User Agent is: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 > Firefox/36.0 SeaMonkey/2.33.1 > Looks like a 32 bits ... so your assumption is false. What is the need for the shouting? So, since you are citing his message full header, he appears to be using MS Windows NT, not MS Windows XP? > And STOP forcing his to migrate to another OS, this is the same as > re-installing his Windows-XP. And so, prithee, explain, by how, am I so forcing him? > The OP want just to eradicate this virus/malware. Isn't that a bit like trying to get the monster out of the house, after having let the monster take over the house, by leaving the doors and windows open for the monster to enter the house and make itself at home? > After that he can use his pc as it is thinking after that for a > change of his pc (software and may be also hardware) > Let him decide by himself ... > The decision is always for the person to make - I was merely offering a suggestion/recommendation/advice. Of course, it is a bit like riding a motorbike, naked, or, having unprotected sex with a stranger - a person can do it, if the person so wants, but, the person can expect extra harm, when things go wrong, if the person does not use adequate protection. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Warning of Registry Error - Call 800 - Blah Blah Blah !
On 18/11/2015, Jonathan N. Little <lws4...@gmail.com> wrote: > rjkrjk wrote: >> AVG will workthere' a free version www.avg.com > > System Requirements > > PC: Windows 10, 8, 7, Vista, XP SP3, > ^^^ > Looks like not for him. His options will likely continue to dwindle. > That was my point. AVG appears to be relatively good, as anti-malware protection, but, in using MS Windows XP, the operating system is so out of date, now, that no-one should be using it while connected to the Internet, or, while using any access to external data sources such as USB drives or optical (or, floppy) disks. That is a bit like sharing needles in mainlining. To be now using MS Windows XP, is not wise. It is that simple. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Warning of Registry Error - Call 800 - Blah Blah Blah !
On 18/11/2015, Ray_Net <tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be> wrote: > Bret Busby wrote on 17/11/2015 17:55: >> , so I would not expect to find any current anti-malware software, >> available for MS Windows XP or any earlier versions of MS Windows. > Why did you say that ? > On page: https://www.malwarebytes.org/antimalware/ > We can read: > *Software Requirements:* > Windows XP (Service Pack 2 or later, 32-bit only) > Hmmm. I have never heard of that one. So, is the original poster's system, 32-bit? In the lack of specifications provided by the original poster, that is consequently one omission, so, that particular previously unknown (to me) anti-malware software, may not be applicable to the original poster's system, anyway. However, that does not alter the fact that no-one should now be using MS Windows XP - to so do, is like leaving all of the doors and windows of a house, open and unlocked, when leaving the house (especially, if the computer is connected to the Internet, or otherwise is accessible to external data, such as optical disks or USB drives). I reiterate, as has already been proposed, that the original poster sgould be considering switching to something like UbuntuMATE Linux, which is more stable, efficient, and, more supported, than MS Windows; and, UbuntuMATE Linux is free. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Fwd: Warning of Registry Error - Call 800 - Blah Blah Blah !
Forwarding the message direct to the list, as the poster of the message to which I was replying, appears to be using an invalid email address - reply bounced due to invalid email address of poster below. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- Forwarded message ------ From: Bret Busby <bret.bu...@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 17:07:14 +0800 Subject: Re: Warning of Registry Error - Call 800 - Blah Blah Blah ! To: Ray_Net <tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be> Cc: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org On 18/11/2015, Ray_Net <tbrraymond.schmit...@tbrscarlet.be> wrote: > Bret Busby wrote on 17/11/2015 17:55: >> , so I would not expect to find any current anti-malware software, >> available for MS Windows XP or any earlier versions of MS Windows. > Why did you say that ? > On page: https://www.malwarebytes.org/antimalware/ > We can read: > *Software Requirements:* > Windows XP (Service Pack 2 or later, 32-bit only) > Hmmm. I have never heard of that one. So, is the original poster's system, 32-bit? In the lack of specifications provided by the original poster, that is consequently one omission, so, that particular previously unknown (to me) anti-malware software, may not be applicable to the original poster's system, anyway. However, that does not alter the fact that no-one should now be using MS Windows XP - to so do, is like leaving all of the doors and windows of a house, open and unlocked, when leaving the house (especially, if the computer is connected to the Internet, or otherwise is accessible to external data, such as optical disks or USB drives). I reiterate, as has already been proposed, that the original poster sgould be considering switching to something like UbuntuMATE Linux, which is more stable, efficient, and, more supported, than MS Windows; and, UbuntuMATE Linux is free. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Warning of Registry Error - Call 800 - Blah Blah Blah !
On 16/11/2015, WaltS48 <thalion...@removeaim.com> wrote: > > You could also (clears throat) switch to Linux. > See http://ubuntu-mate.org/ I use the "TraditionalOK" Appearance Theme, and it looks sufficiently like Windows XP, and, is, to me, the best looking theme, anyway. Linux is more secure, efficient, stable, and, supported, than MS Windows, with the support including mailing lists, where help can be available at any hour of the day or night, seven days of every week. Whilst the original poster did not give the specifications of his computer, if it is not adequate to run UbuntuMATE, a new computer that is adequate to run UbuntuMATE, is relatively inexpensive, and, would probably have been regarded as a supercomputer, when MS Windows XP came out. MS Windows XP has not been supported for quite a while, now, and, is about as secure (in terms of malware), now, as using MS Windows 3, so I would not expect to find any current anti-malware software, available for MS Windows XP or any earlier versions of MS Windows. I note also, that the original poster did not state which version of SeaMonkey, was being used, and so I am wondering whether the original poster is using a sufficiently recent version of SeaMonkey, and, whether a sufficiently recent version of SeaMonkey, can run on MS Windows XP. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash plug-in
On 17/07/2015, EE nu...@bees.wax wrote: Has anyone ever called Flash venerable? I doubt that it is worthy of that much respect. I thought that it was only a bead that was venerable; the venerable bead. I thought that flash and its problems, were more venereal. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash plug-in
On 17/07/2015, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Bret Busby wrote: On 17/07/2015, EE nu...@bees.wax wrote: Has anyone ever called Flash venerable? I doubt that it is worthy of that much respect. I thought that it was only a bead that was venerable; the venerable bead. If you are referring to the Anglo-Saxon Monk, Priest, and Scholar it is actually Bede. Keith I was being facetious. From what I understand, that Bede was a creative historian, with recording as having existed, King Arthur and the Knights Of the Round Table, possibly dragons, and other fantasy things. Whether he also recorded Asterix and Obelix, as having saved Londinium from the Romans, I am not sure. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Problem in trying to install Seamonkey 2.33 on Ubuntu 12.04
On 16/06/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. I have just downloaded and tried to install Seamonkey 2.33 on Ubuntu Linux 12.04. In following the instructions, I got the following response. :/usr/local/seamonkey2/seamonkey# ./seamonkey ./seamonkey: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Please advise. Thank you in anticipation. Hello. I have since remembered, that, some time ago, I had been referred to, and, had downloaded and installed, on another system, a Seamonkey 2.29 .deb package, created for Ubuntu, so, I found and installed that, and it seems to work. Thank you, anyway. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Problem in trying to install Seamonkey 2.33 on Ubuntu 12.04
Hello. I have just downloaded and tried to install Seamonkey 2.33 on Ubuntu Linux 12.04. In following the instructions, I got the following response. :/usr/local/seamonkey2/seamonkey# ./seamonkey ./seamonkey: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Please advise. Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey as .deb package
On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, NoOp wrote: snip Note: your sig delimiter isn't working, try hyphen-hyphen-space -- \n I do not understand what difference it would make. I am not aware of the characters of the signature, having previously caused a problem. However, does the modified (as requested) signature achieve whatever it is that you want? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey as .deb package
On Sat, 4 Oct 2014, Daniel wrote: And what's wrong with using the Australian Dictionary, if you are an Australian?? I prefer the english language to the australian language, when communicating, and I believe that this is not an appropriate forum in which to discuss/debate the poor quality of the australian language and the general inability within australia, to communicate using reasonably correct english grammar and spelling, and, vocabulary. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
RE: Seamonkey as .deb package
On Thu, 2 Oct 2014, Bret Busby wrote: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 16:29:00 From: Bret Busby b...@busby.net To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: RE: Seamonkey as .deb package On Wed, 1 Oct 2014, Bret Busby wrote: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 23:41:17 From: Bret Busby b...@busby.net To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: RE: Seamonkey as .deb package On Tue, 30 Sep 2014, James Mc wrote: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 04:32:22 From: James Mc spaceknig...@hotmail.com To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: RE: Seamonkey as .deb package If you are still looking for a deb package... http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/files/mozilla/apt/pool/main/s/seamonkey-mozilla-build/ “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” Edmund Burke James Indiana Hello. Thank you for the link. I will try it when I next boot up the Debian 7 system (which, at present, happens about once a month, for a couple of hours, due to what is involved). Regarding the proverb that you have included above, I believe that the originator is wrong; if people do nothing, and allow evil, then they are not good; they are complicit in the evil. My simplified (and, I believe, more accurate) version of that proverb, is Evil flourishes where apathy prevails . Unfortunately, the version 2.29 of Seamonkey at the above link, appears to be not a working version. I downloaded and installed it, then found that a british english dictionary is not available (spellchecking for outgoing email, is useful, but, does not prevent the sending of badly spelled messages in the absence of a spellchecking dictionary) for the version 2.29, but, also found that the mail component would not either create a Sent messages folder, or, copy sent messages to that folder (which it would not create). I have separate outgoing (IMAP) and incoming (SMTP) servers, but, in trying different combinations of settings, including the settings that I have been successfully using in iceape on Debian 6, I could not get Seamonkey 2.29 mail, working on Debian 7 amd64 LXDE. So, after having spent about an hour, trying unsuccessfully to get the mail facility set up in Seamonkey 2.29, I have had to give up, and write it off as unusable. I have now apparently solved the problem of the Sent folder. The settings defaulted to creating the folder (and, a Drafts folder, and, I think, maybe another one) within the mail account set up in setting up the mail facility within Seamonkey. However, also present, and, available as an option, is to replace the mail account directory hierarchy option, with the Local Folders option. I selected that option, for each of the folders to be set up (apart from the Inbox), and that appears to have worked, with the Sent folder being created within the Local Folders hierarchy, and, a copy of a sent test message, apparently being written to that Sent folder. I use multiple email applications for composing and sending outgoing email, which goes through the SMTP server that is separate to the incoming (IMAP) mail server that is with a different Internet service provider (ISP) (the SMTP server is with the ISP that provides me with acces to the Internet, and, the IMAP server is with the ISP that hosts my domain names and thence, incoming email). I use the email application formerly known as PINE for my incoming email, and so the email applications that I use to send outgoing email, do not (insofar as I am aware) access the IMAP server. That has not previously (as far as I remember) affected the setting of the mail folders for copies of composing and sent messages, within the email accoint file hierarchy, but, this appears to be different in Seamonkey 2.29, which apparently, requires the particular folders to be stored within the Local Folders file hierarchy. So, the problem of not being able to save a copy of sent messages, in a Sent folder, appears to now be overcome. Now, if only a british english dictionary for spellchecking (and grammar?) for Seamonkey 2.29, would be avail;able, it would be good... -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey as .deb package
On Thu, 2 Oct 2014, NoOp wrote: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 23:26:51 From: NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: Re: Seamonkey as .deb package On 10/02/2014 01:29 AM, Bret Busby wrote: On Wed, 1 Oct 2014, Bret Busby wrote: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 23:41:17 From: Bret Busby b...@busby.net To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: RE: Seamonkey as .deb package On Tue, 30 Sep 2014, James Mc wrote: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 04:32:22 From: James Mc spaceknig...@hotmail.com To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: RE: Seamonkey as .deb package If you are still looking for a deb package... http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/files/mozilla/apt/pool/main/s/seamonkey-mozilla-build/ “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” Edmund Burke James Indiana Hello. Thank you for the link. I will try it when I next boot up the Debian 7 system (which, at present, happens about once a month, for a couple of hours, due to what is involved). Regarding the proverb that you have included above, I believe that the originator is wrong; if people do nothing, and allow evil, then they are not good; they are complicit in the evil. My simplified (and, I believe, more accurate) version of that proverb, is Evil flourishes where apathy prevails . Unfortunately, the version 2.29 of Seamonkey at the above link, appears to be not a working version. I downloaded and installed it, then found that a british english dictionary is not available (spellchecking for outgoing email, is useful, but, does not prevent the sending of badly spelled messages in the absence of a spellchecking dictionary) for the version 2.29, but, also found that the mail component would not either create a Sent messages folder, or, copy sent messages to that folder (which it would not create). https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/language-tools/ (there is even one for English (Australian)...) I had tried to download and install the listed british english dictionary, but got an error message, statiung that it was not compatible with the version (seamonkey-mozilla-build_2.29.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb2014-09-27) of Seamonkey that I installed. I had clicked on the link for the dictionary immediately below the one on the same line as the text British English English (British) English (British) Install Dictionary (235.3 kB) Install Dictionary (257.0 kB) - the 235.3kb one produced the incompatibility error and the second one had appeared to be USA english. I will try again with the 257kb one, the next time I boot up the particular computer. Australian English is like Danny de Vito referred to Military Intelligence in a movie in which he starred (I do not remember the name of the movie - it may have been Military Intelligence - I do not know); an oxymoron. Whatever I may think of the british, I regard British English (as in the Oxford English Dictionary English), as the true English language (and spelling), and so I prefer to use a british english dictionary for spellchecking, where I can perform automated spellchecking (I haven't yet managed to get it set up in PINE or ALPINE). -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
RE: Seamonkey as .deb package
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014, Bret Busby wrote: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 23:41:17 From: Bret Busby b...@busby.net To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: RE: Seamonkey as .deb package On Tue, 30 Sep 2014, James Mc wrote: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 04:32:22 From: James Mc spaceknig...@hotmail.com To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: RE: Seamonkey as .deb package If you are still looking for a deb package... http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/files/mozilla/apt/pool/main/s/seamonkey-mozilla-build/ “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” Edmund Burke James Indiana Hello. Thank you for the link. I will try it when I next boot up the Debian 7 system (which, at present, happens about once a month, for a couple of hours, due to what is involved). Regarding the proverb that you have included above, I believe that the originator is wrong; if people do nothing, and allow evil, then they are not good; they are complicit in the evil. My simplified (and, I believe, more accurate) version of that proverb, is Evil flourishes where apathy prevails . Unfortunately, the version 2.29 of Seamonkey at the above link, appears to be not a working version. I downloaded and installed it, then found that a british english dictionary is not available (spellchecking for outgoing email, is useful, but, does not prevent the sending of badly spelled messages in the absence of a spellchecking dictionary) for the version 2.29, but, also found that the mail component would not either create a Sent messages folder, or, copy sent messages to that folder (which it would not create). I have separate outgoing (IMAP) and incoming (SMTP) servers, but, in trying different combinations of settings, including the settings that I have been successfully using in iceape on Debian 6, I could not get Seamonkey 2.29 mail, working on Debian 7 amd64 LXDE. So, after having spent about an hour, trying unsuccessfully to get the mail facility set up in Seamonkey 2.29, I have had to give up, and write it off as unusable. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
RE: Seamonkey as .deb package
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014, James Mc wrote: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 04:32:22 From: James Mc spaceknig...@hotmail.com To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: RE: Seamonkey as .deb package If you are still looking for a deb package... http://sourceforge.net/projects/ubuntuzilla/files/mozilla/apt/pool/main/s/seamonkey-mozilla-build/ “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” Edmund Burke James Indiana Hello. Thank you for the link. I will try it when I next boot up the Debian 7 system (which, at present, happens about once a month, for a couple of hours, due to what is involved). Regarding the proverb that you have included above, I believe that the originator is wrong; if people do nothing, and allow evil, then they are not good; they are complicit in the evil. My simplified (and, I believe, more accurate) version of that proverb, is Evil flourishes where apathy prevails . -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey as .deb package
On Mon, 18 Aug 2014, Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 15:05:21 From: Barry Edwin Gilmour barrygilm...@bigpond.com To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: Re: Seamonkey as .deb package Bret Busby wrote on 08/18/2014 01:48 PM: Hello. I am hoping that I have not previously posted this query to this list. As the Debian Project has omitted iceape, its derivative of Seamonkey, from Debian 7, I am wondering what is the prospect of Seamonkey being released as a .deb package for installation on Debian 7. I had tried installing the Seamonkey tarball, according to the published instructions, and could not then get Seamonkey to work. As a .deb package, software is usually installed, with all dependencies taken care of, and the launch link, added to the appropriate desktop menu, so it makes it all, relatively simple. The system upon which I was unable to get Seamonkey to work (and I am not sure that it properly installed), is Debian 7 amd64 LXDE. I note that, on the web page at http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ the download for MS Windows, is a .exe installer, so I suppose that what I am seeking, is the equivalent, as a .deb package for Debian 7 amd64 . Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia ... So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 . http://main.mepis-deb.org/mepiscr/testrepo/pool/test/s/seamonkey/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey Hello. Thank you for the link. However, of all of the packages listed on that web page, which is/are the one(s) that I need to download and install, to get the full Seamonkey suite installed on the particular system? Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey as .deb package
Hello. I am hoping that I have not previously posted this query to this list. As the Debian Project has omitted iceape, its derivative of Seamonkey, from Debian 7, I am wondering what is the prospect of Seamonkey being released as a .deb package for installation on Debian 7. I had tried installing the Seamonkey tarball, according to the published instructions, and could not then get Seamonkey to work. As a .deb package, software is usually installed, with all dependencies taken care of, and the launch link, added to the appropriate desktop menu, so it makes it all, relatively simple. The system upon which I was unable to get Seamonkey to work (and I am not sure that it properly installed), is Debian 7 amd64 LXDE. I note that, on the web page at http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ the download for MS Windows, is a .exe installer, so I suppose that what I am seeking, is the equivalent, as a .deb package for Debian 7 amd64 . Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
How to install Seamonkey
Hello. I am a Debian user, and I have been using iceape for a number of years, which has been provided within the Debian repositories, as a .deb package, for installation and updating, using the Debian package managers. I have a computer, upon which, I have installed Debian 7.5 Linux, with the LXDE desktop, and I want to run Seamonkey or iceape, on that conputer. The Debian project ceased provision of iceape, with Debian 7, and now, to get the suite, a user has to revert to installing and using Seamonkey. In my trying to find how to install Seamonkey, I found the web page at http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/install-and-uninstall and I followed the instructions for Linux. However, in trying to run Seamonkey, using ./seamonkey, as directed, I get No such file or directory. How do I get Seamonkey to work, and, how do I get Seamonkey into the LXDE applications menu, so that it can be rubn from the applications menu? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Seamonkey2 - themes issues
My unbuntu 8.04 on my old(ish) laptop computer has just upgraded the Seamonkey to version 2. It has changed the appearance of Seamonkey, to some silly looking theme, that is listed as the default theme. It appears that software developers design software for their own pleasure, and not for the users. The Classic theme will not install. The Littlemonkey theme has some silly looking phallic symbols to the left of the toolbars. Is is possible to get a traditional looking theme for Seamonkey 2.x, so that we can have a decent appearance for Seamonkey, like the themes from Seamonkey 1 or Netscape? Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey and IPv6?
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011, Paul Bergsagel wrote: Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 19:22:16 -0500 From: Paul Bergsagel pbergsa...@shaw.ca To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: SeaMonkey and IPv6? Does anyone know if SeaMonkey 2.1 is ready to use IPv6. I am suspecting SeaMonkey can use IPv6, but am not sure. Unfortunately my ISP Shaw has not updated to IPv6. Rumour is that Shaw will only update to IPv6 when IPv6 addresses have run out. I wonder how many internet sites have the same plan to wait until IPv4 addresses have run out before upgrading to IPv6? Just out of interest, it has been reported in Australia, that the IPv4 addresses ran out in February of this year. See http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/06/08/3239116.htm For iceape 1.0.9 running on Debian 5, The web site at http://test-ipv6.com/ returns Test your IPv6 connectivity. JavaScript Required This site requires JavaScript, as well as the ability to pull in cross-site scripts, in order to perform the testing. If this message does not go away, it means that JavaScript has been disabled, either by a plugin or extension in your browser, or by explicit browser setting. Nasty web page. The simple test web page at http://server2.test-ipv6.com/simple_test.html returns Simple IPv4/IPv6 Test This image based test is provided for those with browsers or browser plugins incompatible with the main test. This page provides only a subset of features, but should be enough for a simple pass/fail. The following table will try and load 3 images. Pass? Method More Info ? IPv4IPv4. Basic traditional Internet. ? IPv4 or IPv6 If green, you will have no problem on World IPv6 day. If this fails, seek help from your IT department, helpdesk, or ISP tech support. If this fails, consider using the full test, with IE, Firefox, Safari, or Chrome, to get more detailed information about possible failure reasons. ? IPv6 If red or blank, do not stress! Few people already have IPv6 at this time; and it is not critical for 2011 but will be for the coming years. With the first two (IPv4 and IPv4 or IPv6) returning tick in green circle, showing okay (?), and the third (IPv6) showing just a question mark, so I am not sure what that means. I hope that all of this does not mean that we have to have javascript enabled to use IPv6. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey and IPv6?
Results below are with iceape 1.0.9 running on Debian 5. On Wed, 8 Jun 2011, NoOp wrote: Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 15:15:38 -0700 From: NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: Re: SeaMonkey and IPv6? On 06/08/2011 02:37 PM, NoOp wrote: On 06/07/2011 05:48 PM, NoOp wrote: ... Google has an issue with there IPv6 browser site: http://ipv6.google.com/ ... Looks like I need to add some IPv6 DNS servers. Nope - guess not. These work just fine: http://ipv6.cnn.com/ For this, I get Failed to Connect The connection was refused when attempting to contact ipv6.cnn.com. http://ipv6.uvrealtime.com/ For this, I get Failed to Connect The connection was refused when attempting to contact ipv6.uvrealtime.com. http://ipv6.6connect.net/ For this, I get Guess what? IPv6 can still see you... So, I am not sure whether that means that iceape 1.0.9 works with IPv6, or, whether that last one is simply an advertising gimmick. etc. So it's an issue with http://ipv6.google.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Are you sure you want to navigate away from this page?
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011, David E. Ross wrote: Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 14:30:20 -0800 From: David E. Ross nobody@nowhere.invalid To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: Re: Are you sure you want to navigate away from this page? On 1/25/11 9:23 AM, Bret Busby wrote: I use Iceape 1.0.9, which is a Debian version of Seamonkey. It is the latest available version that can be installed using the system pacjakge management. I have javascript turned off. I have the option Block unrequested popip windows checked. Doesn't work. The application is simply insecure. It can be useful, but it has insufficient security. When I get those dialogue boxes, the only solution is to crash the application (use the kill delinquent application utility), and lose everything open within the browser. It is the way that it is. Insecure. Have you tried disabling JavaScript as suggested more than once in this thread? With the PrefBar extension, disabling and enabling JavaScript merely involves checking or clearing a checkbox. Also, RFC 3676 states that you should have a blank after the two hyphens before your signature block. It should be dash-dash-space. You have dash-dash without the space. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ I wonder whether any RFC suggests reading a message before you reply to it? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Are you sure you want to navigate away from this page?
I use Iceape 1.0.9, which is a Debian version of Seamonkey. It is the latest available version that can be installed using the system pacjakge management. I have javascript turned off. I have the option Block unrequested popip windows checked. Doesn't work. The application is simply insecure. It can be useful, but it has insufficient security. When I get those dialogue boxes, the only solution is to crash the application (use the kill delinquent application utility), and lose everything open within the browser. It is the way that it is. Insecure. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010, Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 16 décembre 2010, Bret Busby a écrit : In the past, snip verbiage kafkaesque nightmare of using furballs for software. Let me repeat: I'm not suggesting that you try and make it work if it doesn't out of the box. I'm suggesting that you try and see if it does. (And drop it if it doesn't.) And, as I had made it quite clear, the problem is in the getting it out of the box. If the getting it out of the box was to be so that people could easily get it out of the box, and make it work out of the box' then it would be installable and upgradeable, using package installation. If it is to be designed to discourage use, by making it difficult to get working, then , so be it. This thread is going nowhere. I asked for the software to be provided as a packge, that could be installed and upgraded using system package management, for ease of installation and upgrading, and I have been told to get stuffed . That is it - end of story. There is no point in this thread continuing in the to-ing and fro-ing. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 15 décembre 2010, Bret Busby a écrit : No, I do not try dealing with .tar and .tar.zip or whatever files anymore, for installing software. I have previously stated that my experience of what has been involved, is horrenous - it is like something out of a kafkaesque nightmare. Archives are only containers. That experience you have depends on the contents: sources or binaries. The cited webpage explicitly mentions Lenny as having the required dependencies. In the past, with trying to keep up to date with a Mozilla or Netscape web browser suite, by unsing the horrible .tar.zip method of instalation, I had to create a new directory in a particular path, and put the furball into that, then decompress it, and it installed it in a lower level directory, and, due to the way that it all operated, I was having to go down seven levels of directories and beyond, to do the horrible decompress process, and it just became too nasty. And, in all of that, I then had to find where the executable file was located, and work out how to get the software to run by creating bodgy menu entries or the seven plus level paths for the command line statement required to run the software. It kind of leads to an understanding as to why some people prefer to slit their wrists. This is one of the advantages of using package management - it takes care of dependencies, and, it replaces, as needed, software or software components, as they need updating, and, it generally takes care of maintaining menu entries, AND updating software, as updates become available. Using package management for installing and updating software, is much preferable to the kafkaesque nightmare of using furballs for software. It is one reason why software for creating packages, is available for software developers, and it makes Microsoft Access 2 and/or Microsoft Access97, far superior to the current Firefox and Seamonkey development - Microsoft Access 2 and/or 97, had an SDK available, which allowed a developer to create an installable, standalone database, that meant that the software could be installed, by more or less clicking install, and away it went, unlike this nightmarish system of using furballs, instead of installable packages. Unfortunately, it appears that Mozilla, in the Firefox and Seamonkey projects, has not yet advanced to the level of Microsoft Access 2 and 97, or Opera, or, other software that can run on Linux, that uses package management for software installation and maintenance. As I have previously said - it is a question of whether software is written for the benefit of users, or, for the benefit of the software developers. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 11 décembre 2010, Bret Busby a écrit : It is apparently included in a testing or unstable version of Debian Linux, yet to be released as stable. Can't you install some packages from the testing repository? The problem with doing that, is that it generally has issues with dependencies, thus leading to a system haveing to be made a hybrid; eg, goinf from stable to becoming a stable/testing hybrid, or, as happened when my wife otiginally was looking at mono, a testing/unstable hybrid. Mixing versions, to create a hybrid system, to meet dependency requirements, caused by usinga package from a less stable version, creates its own problems. It is a question of for whom software is written - whether it is written for It is above all a question of workforce. I understand there are few people in the SM team. There may be no-one using Debian among them. Is there no person who uses Debian, in the Seamonkey Project? Or, at Mozilla.org, in the development project areas? the users (in which case, amongst other things, it is provided in the different packages, for the different distributions), or, whether it is written for the developers of the software (in which case, the design (including the interface) is designed to suit the developers, and the software might be released only as binaries, to make it difficult for users to install, restricting who may use the software). I'm not sure what you call binaries... Packages precisely ship binaries. So does the tarball offered by seamonkey-project.org. The .tar.zip or the .tar or whatever files Simply download these files then decompress them, using the required procedure... So, the question is, are developers of an operating system, expected to adapt software packages that may run on their syetem, to be easily installed on their system, or, are the software developers expected to develop their software to be able to be installed with a minimum of fuss (and, thus, as packages that can be easily installed using the operating system package management), on the operating systems on which the software is said to be able to run? Neither and both... SM like many other apps is built in a standard way that allows ditribution maintainers to easily package it. OpenSUSE for example does that (packaging it). Or you could install by hand from the archive. It's not so hard, but you may lack dependencies if you really are on Debian etch: (http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements) The following distributions should provide everything needed: * Debian Lenny (5.0.x) (or later) I am using Debian lenny, which is the current Debian stable version. etch is now oldstable and obsolete. So did you even try to install the package offered on seamonkey-project.org? I just cited their page telling Lenny fulfills the requirements! No, I do not try dealing with .tar and .tar.zip or whatever files anymore, for installing software. I have previously stated that my experience of what has been involved, is horrenous - it is like something out of a kafkaesque nightmare. It is as pleasant as repeatedly bashing your head against a brick wall, until the skull fractures, which, I understand, some people do, but, it is not for me. Installing the binary, or whatever the tar/zip or whatever files is, is, from my experience, messy and difficult, and I had done that in the past, with a netscape or mozilla browser suite, and ended up having to instal, seven dfirectories down. You seem to mix binaries and sources. The tarball on seamonkey-project.org has ready-to-use software. No compiling required. Whatever is the nature of the file that is to be downloaded, it is one of those .tar.zip things, which, to me, is to be avoided at all costs. It has been my experience, that, for the most part, Debian has been a more stable system than some others, and, that package installation and maintenance, when using the Debian package management, has been superior. Debian stability is at the cost of old software versions. I'd recommend, as Robert did, openSUSE, which is actively maintained, and has a reactive community (very helpful forums), recent software, and an easy-to-use and well documented administration tool. I have similarly tried Ubuntu, that has been similarly portrayed, and the experience was not good. -- LL -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
On Sat, 11 Dec 2010, WLS wrote: Pure FUD! ? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
On Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 10 décembre 2010, Bret Busby a écrit : Ah, but it is not available as a .deb package. Neither as rpm, etc. It's up to the distro maintainers to do that, so you should ask to a Debian forum. Been there, done that. It is apparently included in a testing or unstable version of Debian Linux, yet to be released as stable. Not available at present, and no Debian person appears inclined to do it, for Debian 5. Some software is available as .deb packages, set up by the software developers of the particular software. Opera is one (and, only one) example, of many applications that are released in the different packages, for installation using the system package management, for the different Linux distributions. It is a question of for whom software is written - whether it is written for the users (in which case, amongst other things, it is provided in the different packages, for the different distributions), or, whether it is written for the developers of the software (in which case, the design (including the interface) is designed to suit the developers, and the software might be released only as binaries, to make it difficult for users to install, restricting who may use the software). So, the question is, are developers of an operating system, expected to adapt software packages that may run on their syetem, to be easily installed on their system, or, are the software developers expected to develop their software to be able to be installed with a minimum of fuss (and, thus, as packages that can be easily installed using the operating system package management), on the operating systems on which the software is said to be able to run? I expect that software developers who want to increase the usage of their particular software, would act to make their software as easy to instal and run, on the particular operating systems for which they profess the software to be usable and compatible, so as to encourage more propsective users, to instal and use the software. It is a bit like some software houses, that provide software that only runs on MS Windows, such as Legacy genealogy software, Quicken accounting software, etc - they have previously advised that they have no intention of porting their software to Linux, and, by so doing, disenfranchise Linux users (unless the particular Linux users are willing and capable, to mess around with MS Windows emulation, if the particular software applications are compatible with Linux based MS Windows emulators). Thus, it includes the issue of the degree to which the software development projects want to increase usage of their product. If they want to increase usage of the product, then they act to make it as easy to instal and use, on as many operating systems, as possible. If not, they simply develop the policy we have developed this product for our benefit - take it or leave it, as it is - we are not interested in making it more usable, or more user-friendly - we are not that bothered, as long as it suits us, which is the apparent known history of Microsoft. And, it is not limited to Microsoft - many web sites exist, that are designed to work only with Internet Explorer, and, many computer peripheral devices, whether they be webcms, printers, or whatever, are designed to work fully with MS Windows, and, not at all, or, with limited funtionality, with Linux. Some companies do well with their hardware devices, Like Samsung, with its printers and multifunction devices, that run well with Linux, using the Samsung Unified Linux Driver, and, others simply treat Linux users with contempt. Or you could install by hand from the archive. It's not so hard, but you may lack dependencies if you really are on Debian etch: (http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements) The following distributions should provide everything needed: * Debian Lenny (5.0.x) (or later) I am using Debian lenny, which is the current Debian stable version. etch is now oldstable and obsolete. I use the version of Iceape for etch which is, I believe, Debian 4, as that is the latest version of Iceape or a Seamonkey version, that is available to run on mys system, and, as previously mentioned, that version of Iceape is about 4 years old. Installing the binary, or whatever the tar/zip or whatever files is, is, from my experience, messy and difficult, and I had done that in the past, with a netscape or mozilla browser suite, and ended up having to instal, seven dfirectories down. The process is best described as a Kafkaesque nightmare, and, it is probably easier to make friends with a cthulu, or the creature that Gandalf was fighting, when he fell off the bridge. (BTW, why choose Debian if you want a cutting edge and easy to manage distribution?) It has been my experience, that, for the most part, Debian has been a more stable system than some others
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
On Fri, 10 Dec 2010, Robert Kaiser wrote: Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:13:19 +0100 From: Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update Bret Busby schrieb: Ah, but it is not available as a .deb package. Ask Debian/ubuntu or whoever you are using it from for help, or use our official .tar.bz2 packages, or use a decent distro that does packages for our software (like openSUSE). We are not doing any distro-specific packaging, that's the job or distros after all. Robert Kaiser I understood that SUSE is now owned by Microsoft, and is thence, likely to follow Microsoft policies and procedures. As for the rest of the message, I have already addressed those issues, in a previous posting just sent by me to the list. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update
On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Robert Kaiser wrote: Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:30:29 +0100 From: Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey, mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.planning, netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.l10n Followup-To: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Security Update As part of Mozilla's ongoing stability and security update process, SeaMonkey 2.0.11 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download from www.seamonkey-project.org. We strongly recommend that all SeaMonkey and old suite users upgrade to this latest release. If you already have SeaMonkey 2.0, you will receive an automated update notification within 24 to 48 hours. This update can also be applied manually by selecting Check for Updates... from the Help menu. For a list of changes and more information, please review the SeaMonkey 2.0.11 Release Notes. Note: All users of the outdated SeaMonkey 1.x, Mozilla or Netscape suites are encouraged to upgrade to SeaMonkey 2.0 by downloading it from www.seamonkey-project.org. Full news article: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2010-12-09 Downloads for all available platforms and languages: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ Release notes: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.11 System Requirements: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements Robert Kaiser SeaMonkey project coordinator ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey Ah, but it is not available as a .deb package. (because of which, I am stuck with Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.14eol) Gecko/20070505 Iceape/1.0.9 (Debian-1.0.13~pre080614i-0etch1) ) which is about 43 months old. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Query about request for new features
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010, Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 24 novembre 2010, Bret Busby a écrit : ceape 1.0.9 * Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.14eol) Gecko/20070505 Iceape/1.0.9 (Debian-1.0.13~pre080614i-0etch1) I'm no expert, but eol leads me to think it's based on SM 1. Plus Gecko looks very old (20070505 means 2007-may-5 I guess). My SM 2.0.10 shows: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; fr; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101026 Are you using Debian stable? Yes. My original post in the thread, included that I am runing Debian 5, which is Debian stable, or, Debian lenny. In the circumstances, what is the possibility of Seamonkey being offered as a .deb package? I think SM-project ships no package (neither rpm nor deb). You should ask in a Debian forum, if no one can answer here. Debian eliminated Seamonkey and Iceape from Debian 5, so I have to run the version of Iceape that is for Debian 4, or, Debian oldstable, or, Debian etch, as Seamonkey is not available as a .deb package. That the version of Iceape that is being run, is from Debian 4, is shown in the package description above, where it shows that it is for etch. If Seamonkey is available as a .deb package, then I would install and run that, but it is not, so I can not. From what I understand, Debian has a policy of not making Seamonkey available as a Debian package, preventing or obstructing Debian users from running it. I prefer to use the version number of the operating system, rather than the pretentious names. stable is not necessarily. It is like referring to a member of parliament, as the honourable. Here, the terms member of parliament, and honourable, contradict each other. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Query about request for new features
On Tue, 23 Nov 2010, Lucas Levrel wrote: Le 23 novembre 2010, Bret Busby a écrit : I use iceape on this computer, as I generally run Debian 5, and I have installed Iceape and Iceweasel on this computer. Which versions? ceape 1.0.9 * Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.14eol) Gecko/20070505 Iceape/1.0.9 (Debian-1.0.13~pre080614i-0etch1) iceweasel version is 3.0.6-3 These are the latest versions available for Debian 5. When Iceape crashes, which it does frequently, the session at the time of the crash is lost. SM 2.0 doesn't frequently crash (here, on linux), and the session isn't lost either. I have observed that Galeon, in running the next time from a crash, provides three options: 1. Restore last session (session which crashed) 2. Open new session and save last session as bookmarks (creates new bookmarks folder, wit bookmarks for all tabs and windows that were open when session crashed) 3. Open new session, deleting previous session My request is this; could Firefox and Seamonkey (thence to hopefully filter through to Iceweasel and Iceape, to be implemented therein), have the same provisions implemented? SM 2.0 offers 1 and 3. Also, would it be possible for Firefox and Seamonkey (thence to hopefully filter through to Iceweasel and Iceape, to be implemented therein), to include in the File menu (and thence to be fully implemented), an option, as Opera has; Save current session, so that the current session can be saved and closed in an orderly manner, as needed? Not really the same, but: - SM 2.0 offers to save session when you try and quit, if you have several windows/tabs opened. - You can set prefs so that your start page is the last page visited. HTH. -- LL In the circumstances, what is the possibility of Seamonkey being offered as a .deb package? I have had massive trouble, in the past, trying to install anything that is not in the form of a .deb package, and so only install software that is in that form. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Query about request for new features
Hello. I do not know whether this is the appropriate place to make a request for new features, but here goes. I use iceape on this computer, as I generally run Debian 5, and I have installed Iceape and Iceweasel on this computer. When Iceape crashes, which it does frequently, the session at the time of the crash is lost. From what I understand, Iceweasel (a Debian derivative of Firefox), preserves the session status, so that one opportunity (at the next occasion of running the software) is provided, for the session at the time of the crash, to be restored. I have observed that Galeon, in running the next time from a crash, provides three options: 1. Restore last session (session which crashed) 2. Open new session and save last session as bookmarks (creates new bookmarks folder, wit bookmarks for all tabs and windows that were open when session crashed) 3. Open new session, deleting previous session (or, something like that. My request is this; could Firefox and Seamonkey (thence to hopefully filter through to Iceweasel and Iceape, to be implemented therein), have the same provisions implemented? Also, would it be possible for Firefox and Seamonkey (thence to hopefully filter through to Iceweasel and Iceape, to be implemented therein), to include in the File menu (and thence to be fully implemented), an option, as Opera has; Save current session, so that the current session can be saved and closed in an orderly manner, as needed? Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010, Robert Kaiser wrote: Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 00:17:16 +0200 From: Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey, mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.planning, netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.l10n Followup-To: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Available The Mozilla community discovered a crash some of our users have been seeing at startup after updates to our previous releases. To fix that issue, SeaMonkey 2.0.8 is now available for Windows, Mac, and Linux as a free download from www.seamonkey-project.org. We strongly recommend that all SeaMonkey and old suite users upgrade to this latest release. If you already have SeaMonkey 2.0, you will receive an automated update notification within 24 to 48 hours. This update can also be applied manually by selecting Check for Updates... from the Help menu. For a list of changes and more information, please review the SeaMonkey 2.0.8 Release Notes. Note: All users of the outdated SeaMonkey 1.x, Mozilla or Netscape suites are encouraged to upgrade to SeaMonkey 2.0 by downloading it from www.seamonkey-project.org. Full news article: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/news#2010-09-15 Downloads for all available platforms and languages: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ Release notes: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.0.8 System Requirements: http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/system-requirements Robert Kaiser SeaMonkey project coordinator Is there any prospect of it being released as a .deb file (especially in the EN-GB version)? I am currently using iceape (Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.14eol) Gecko/20070505 Iceape/1.0.9 (Debian-1.0.13~pre080614i-0etch1)) as the latest version available for Debian 5. I have previously found the .tar.gz files, simply too difficult to deal with, and am able to use only the package management (eg, dpkg - i package name ) for installing and updating files. Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Rich Gray wrote: Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:06:15 -0400 From: Rich Gray rbg_smth...@graysmail.com To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey, mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.planning, mozilla.support.mozilla-suite, netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.l10n Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here! Why are these people crossposting to both the mailing lists and all of the newsgroups that are apparently redirected to the mailing list, causing the receipt of multiple copies of messages, that some of us don't want? This is the same in principle, as the development of bloatware - as computer power and speed increased, software development got increasingly sloppy, so that software became ridiculously inefficient, so that now, much of the available software is rubbish. It is probably the reason of many of the crashes due to software being so poorly designed, that it increasingly swallows resources, without releasing the resources when the software is closed, amking computing increasingly unstable. Why can't people on mailing lists, treat other subscribers with respect, instead of trying to drown us in multiple copies of messages? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: TVguide - third time
Regarding previous posts in the thread, I am wondering whether anyone has tried (and, so, how they go with it) the facility at http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/TV/static/PerthMorning.html? as an entry point to that facility. Starting at the above URL, a person can go to different localities/regions, and different times. And, it is easy enough to open tabs, one for each time period specified. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - 64 bit versions - was release announcement
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, NoOp wrote: Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:37:53 -0700 From: NoOp gl...@sbcglobal.net.invalid To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here! On 10/27/2009 03:27 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote: The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users. Well done! Any idea when a 64bit linux version will be available? And, 64 bit versions for MS Windows? My missus, who has just upgraded from Vista to Win 7 (32-bit to 64 bit, also) on her 64 bit laptop, cannot find a 64 bit version of Firefly or Firefox or whatever. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here!
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009, Bret Busby wrote: Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:50:39 +0800 (WST) From: Bret Busby b...@busby.net To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here! On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Robert Kaiser wrote: Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:27:47 +0100 From: Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey, mozilla.support.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.planning, mozilla.support.mozilla-suite, netscape.public.mozilla.seamonkey, mozilla.dev.l10n Subject: SeaMonkey 2.0 - The Modern Internet Suite is Here! The SeaMonkey project at Mozilla is excited to release its completely refurbished next generation of the all-in one Internet suite today: SeaMonkey 2.0, now available for free download from the seamonkey-project.org website, melds the ideas behind Netscape Communicator with the modern platform of Firefox 3.5 to create one of the most compelling open source products for advanced Internet users. snip Due to the reported problems, it seems a bit too problematic to update from 1.1.18 to 2.0, now. Maybe people like me, who need to be consident that our systems are (relatively) stable, need to wait until 2.1 is released. Ah, the word consident, should have been confident. Too much haste. And I have not yet been able to get spell checking in PINE, to work. One thing that concerns me, is the use of the .tar.bz2 (files like that used to be .tar.gz - the .bz2 entended extension, seems a bit different) file, rather than a package file (like .deb), for Linux. I run Ubuntu Linux 8.04LTS, Debian 5 Linux, and Windows XP with service packs (I believe that I have SP3, in addition to SP2, which I do know was installed, but I am not definite about SP3), although the Win XP should probably now be replaced with Win 7, so I think it is probably best, for stability, to wait until if and when Seamonkey 2 (or, even better, from the reporting of the problems, version 2.1, with all the bugs of version 2, fixed) makes it into the package repositories for the Linux distributions. Also, it would need to be explicitly stated, that Seamonkey v2.x would definitely be able to be installed in parallel with an existing installation of 1.1.x, and, be able to import settings/profiles/history from v1.1.x, on each of the different operating systems, so that the two could be run in parallel (parallel implementation is alsways safest, in software development), to ensure that we do not lose data, as has been reported as having happened with other people who have upgraded from 1.1.18 to 2, or who have replaced 1.1.18 with 2. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 1.1.17 instability
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Martin Freitag wrote: Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:36:50 +0200 From: Martin Freitag prof_nosp...@quantentunnel.de To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 1.1.17 instability Bret Busby schrieb: From what I understand, auto-refreshing is an HTML or javascript functionality, which is interpreted by the browser, rather than being funtionality of the browser. Thus, it is the code on the particular web pages, rather than something from within SeaMonkey, that causes the auto-refreshing. In reading the weather observations web page agin, after posting the message above, I found that the observations are updated every ten minutes, and the web page reloads every five minutes. Nothing significantly different to what I said above, I think, but it needed correcting. Apart from using the Classic theme, and Adobe Reader, which does not apply to the particular web pages, I believe that I have no extensions of plugins installed on this installation of SeaMonkey. Is there a simple way of finding what, if any, extensions and/or plugins are insstalled and linke to a SeaMonkey installation? type about:plugins in the address-bar. 'Installed plug-ins Find more information about browser plug-ins at mozilla.org. Help for installing plug-ins is available from plugindoc.mozdev.org. Adobe Reader 9.1 File name: nppdf.so The Adobe Reader plugin is used to enable viewing of PDF and FDF files from within the browser. MIME Type Description SuffixesEnabled application/pdf Portable Document Formatpdf Yes application/vnd.fdf Acrobat Forms Data Format fdf Yes application/vnd.adobe.xfdf XML Version of Acrobat Forms Data Format xfdf Yes application/vnd.adobe.xdp+xml Acrobat XML Data Package xdp Yes application/vnd.adobe.xfd+xml Adobe FormFlow99 Data File xfd Yes' The news web page that refreshes when it wants to, is written in javascript, so I can't find the auto-refresh command. Aaaah, thought you had the tabbrowser extensions or similar and refrshing the tab(s). Feel free to use the NoScript extension or the prefbar and uncheck the Javscript checkbox of it. Used Edit - Preferences - Advanced - Scripts Plug-ins and unchecked Allow scripts to Change images and Disable or repace context menus which were the only items checked to allow scripts to do things. I then unchecked Enable Javascript for Navigator then Quit, then reloaded. I found that the previous step was superfluous, as, whenI diabled javascript for navigator, the options are grayed out. The weather observation web page that refreshes every five minutes, has the auto-refresh command included in the header HTML code; meta http-equiv=Refresh content=300 ; nice and simple, and easy to find. If SeaMonkey had a way of overruling auto-refreshing, by using a switch, the same way that some web browsers manage to overrule and stop pop-ups, it would be quite convenient, and, reduce bandwidth wastage None that I know of, maybe someone else has another hint for that one. I never had any problems with meta refresh, I still wonder why SM should crash from it, SM1 without exension is usually rock-stable. regards Martin -- I did not mean to suggest that the auto-refreshing caused the frequent crashing. But, the web pages that have the auto-refreshing, are left open, when the crashes occur. I will see what happens now. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 1.1.17 instability
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009, Daniel wrote: (P.S. The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In *Five* Parts) That was dealt with by me, in a message posted to the list, in response to a similar claim, I believe by you, in mid-July. My citation was correct. See the message below. Please desist in incorrect corrections, that are not on-topic. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Bret Busby wrote: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:11:41 +0800 (WST) From: Bret Busby b...@busby.net To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Really OT - HHGTTG - was Re: OT : was Re: Adding search engines to seamonkey On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Daniel wrote: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:55:24 +1000 From: Daniel d...@albury.nospam.net.au To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: OT : was Re: Adding search engines to seamonkey Bret Busby wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009, Philip Chee wrote: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:10:52 +0800 From: Philip Chee philip.c...@gmail.com snip -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 Two things Bret:- 1. Your sig de-limiter is broke (should be dash dash space), otherwise I could not have quoted it here, and, 2. Hitchhiker's guide is actually a trilogy in five parts. The citation is correct. The edition was published in 1992 by Pan Books an imprint of Pan MacMillan Ltd Pan MacMillan, 20 New Wharf Road, London N1 9RR Basingstoke and Oxford ... ISBN 0 330 31611 7. The front cover is a picture of a bathroom wall, with a Philishave (?) (three-headed) electric shaver on a glass shelf, on the left, on the right hand end of the glass shelf, is a digital watch, above that, is a glass hanging on the wall, containg three toothbrushes, and between the electricity supply socket ito which the electric shaver is plugged, and the glass hanging on the wall, is a mirror, containing an image of the Vogon bulldozer, oriented in the direction of travel from the top right corner of the mirror, to the bottom left corner of the mirror. The wall tiles are coloured darkish blue. See http://www.sfbok.se/asp/artikel.asp?VolumeID=24535 , for an illustration of the cover of the book. And, the cited quote is from the topmost paragraph on page 129 of the cited book. It is the second sentence of the paragraph. The first sentence of that paragraph, is 'Exactly!' said Deep Thought. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey [ Note: This message contains email list management information ] ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 1.1.17 instability
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Martin Freitag wrote: Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:32:16 +0200 From: Martin Freitag prof_nosp...@quantentunnel.de To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 1.1.17 instability Bret Busby schrieb: I don't have Flash installed (I won't have anything to do with it), and I do not have Java enabled for SeaMonkey. I try also to avoid having anything to do with Java. When I leave SeaMonkey running and it crashes, as far as I am aware, it is not using any plugins. Two of the web sites that I access, in one of my browser windows (a particular bookmark set includes the two web sites), auto refresh, one about every ten minutes, the other, I am not sure of the frequency. I have not been able to find how to stop the auto-refreshing and thus how to instead use only manual refreshing. One web site is an online news web site, and the other is a weather observation web site. The weather one is the one that auto-refreshes at ten minute intervals. But, that auto-refreshing, should surely not cause the application to crash Auto-Refresh is no feature of SM afaik. Have you tried using these websites with a new SM-profile? (whithout installing any extension for the first start) regards Martin From what I understand, auto-refreshing is an HTML or javascript functionality, which is interpreted by the browser, rather than being funtionality of the browser. Thus, it is the code on the particular web pages, rather than something from within SeaMonkey, that causes the auto-refreshing. In reading the weather observations web page agin, after posting the message above, I found that the observations are updated every ten minutes, and the web page reloads every five minutes. Nothing significantly different to what I said above, I think, but it needed correcting. Apart from using the Classic theme, and Adobe Reader, which does not apply to the particular web pages, I believe that I have no extensions of plugins installed on this installation of SeaMonkey. Is there a simple way of finding what, if any, extensions and/or plugins are insstalled and linke to a SeaMonkey installation? Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 1.1.17 instability
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Bret Busby wrote: Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:16:58 +0800 (WST) From: Bret Busby b...@busby.net To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 1.1.17 instability On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Martin Freitag wrote: Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:32:16 +0200 From: Martin Freitag prof_nosp...@quantentunnel.de To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: Re: SeaMonkey 1.1.17 instability Bret Busby schrieb: I don't have Flash installed (I won't have anything to do with it), and I do not have Java enabled for SeaMonkey. I try also to avoid having anything to do with Java. When I leave SeaMonkey running and it crashes, as far as I am aware, it is not using any plugins. Two of the web sites that I access, in one of my browser windows (a particular bookmark set includes the two web sites), auto refresh, one about every ten minutes, the other, I am not sure of the frequency. I have not been able to find how to stop the auto-refreshing and thus how to instead use only manual refreshing. One web site is an online news web site, and the other is a weather observation web site. The weather one is the one that auto-refreshes at ten minute intervals. But, that auto-refreshing, should surely not cause the application to crash Auto-Refresh is no feature of SM afaik. Have you tried using these websites with a new SM-profile? (whithout installing any extension for the first start) regards Martin From what I understand, auto-refreshing is an HTML or javascript functionality, which is interpreted by the browser, rather than being funtionality of the browser. Thus, it is the code on the particular web pages, rather than something from within SeaMonkey, that causes the auto-refreshing. In reading the weather observations web page agin, after posting the message above, I found that the observations are updated every ten minutes, and the web page reloads every five minutes. Nothing significantly different to what I said above, I think, but it needed correcting. Apart from using the Classic theme, and Adobe Reader, which does not apply to the particular web pages, I believe that I have no extensions of plugins installed on this installation of SeaMonkey. Is there a simple way of finding what, if any, extensions and/or plugins are insstalled and linke to a SeaMonkey installation? Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. The news web page that refreshes when it wants to, is written in javascript, so I can't find the auto-refresh command. The weather observation web page that refreshes every five minutes, has the auto-refresh command included in the header HTML code; meta http-equiv=Refresh content=300 ; nice and simple, and easy to find. If SeaMonkey had a way of overruling auto-refreshing, by using a switch, the same way that some web browsers manage to overrule and stop pop-ups, it would be quite convenient, and, reduce bandwidth wastage. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey 1.1.17 instability
Hello. I am running Ubuntu 8.04, which is the latest LTS version of Ubuntu. The latest version of SeaMonkey, that is available for this version of Ubuntu, from the Ubuntu repository, is SeaMonkey 1.1.17 My experience of this version of SeaMonkey, is that it consistently crashes. If I leave one or more browser windows open, and lock the computer screen, and walk away, and come back later, SeaMonkey can be relied on to have crashed. From what I understand, with MS Windows 95, that operating system would run for 29 days (I think it was), and then it was supposed to crash. SeaMonkey cannot run for anywhere near that length of time. Sometimes, maybe a few hours, sometimes, maybe a day or two, sometimes, if lucky, a few days. But, not much longer than that, very often. With gxine, I found two web sites (one being the 2009 World Masters Games web site), that would cause a system crash, every time the web site was visited. The other web site is a loony political party web site, that I found. SeaMonkey would open many pop-ups, that I cannot prevent, and then the system would crash. One of the pop-ups that was opened, that I saw, just before bthe syetm crashed, was gxine. I removed gxine from the system, and that got rid of the system crash problem, from those two web sites. But, SeaMonkey is still completely unstable, on this computer running Ubuntu 8.04. Does anyone else have this problem? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 1.1.17 instability
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Bret Busby b...@busby.net wrote: Hello. I am running Ubuntu 8.04, which is the latest LTS version of Ubuntu. The latest version of SeaMonkey, that is available for this version of Ubuntu, from the Ubuntu repository, is SeaMonkey 1.1.17 My experience of this version of SeaMonkey, is that it consistently crashes. If I leave one or more browser windows open, and lock the computer screen, and walk away, and come back later, SeaMonkey can be relied on to have crashed. From what I understand, with MS Windows 95, that operating system would run for 29 days (I think it was), and then it was supposed to crash. SeaMonkey cannot run for anywhere near that length of time. Sometimes, maybe a few hours, sometimes, maybe a day or two, sometimes, if lucky, a few days. But, not much longer than that, very often. With gxine, I found two web sites (one being the 2009 World Masters Games web site), that would cause a system crash, every time the web site was visited. The other web site is a loony political party web site, that I found. SeaMonkey would open many pop-ups, that I cannot prevent, and then the system would crash. One of the pop-ups that was opened, that I saw, just before bthe syetm crashed, was gxine. I removed gxine from the system, and that got rid of the system crash problem, from those two web sites. But, SeaMonkey is still completely unstable, on this computer running Ubuntu 8.04. Does anyone else have this problem? I don't use Ubuntu but I do use Seamonkey on Linux for hours a day and the crashes I've experienced are almost always caused by plug-ins. In my case, I use 64-bit seamonkey and the crashes were almost always caused by the 32-bit Adobe Flash plug-in, which I was using via nspluginwrapper. Once the native 64-bit Flash plugin came out that basically eliminated the crashes. (I've also have Java-related crashes). If you have gxine opening then it sounds like perhaps embedded media or plug-in related. I use the gecko-mediaplayer plugin (as opposed to mplayerplug-in or calling external helper apps) and it seems to work alright; at least it doesn't crash for me. (I don't use nspluginwrapper at all now, it's not even installed) Other causes for crashes I've experienced have been some versions of KDE4 (where all gtk+ apps crased randomly, perhaps related to my installed gtk-engines/themes or something) In general, though, normal everyday use for me is fine and it does not crash. Are you using 32-bit or 64-bit? Have you tried uninstalling plugins etc? I am using 32-bit. I don't have Flash installed (I won't have anything to do with it), and I do not have Java enabled for SeaMonkey. I try also to avoid having anything to do with Java. When I leave SeaMonkey running and it crashes, as far as I am aware, it is not using any plugins. Two of the web sites that I access, in one of my browser windows (a particular bookmark set includes the two web sites), auto refresh, one about every ten minutes, the other, I am not sure of the frequency. I have not been able to find how to stop the auto-refreshing and thus how to instead use only manual refreshing. One web site is an online news web site, and the other is a weather observation web site. The weather one is the one that auto-refreshes at ten minute intervals. But, that auto-refreshing, should surely not cause the application to crash I use GNOME rather than KDE, although I have KDE applications installed (I think that it is a KDE version of solitaire, or patience, that is the only one that I can handle; a nice, simple, single card dealing game). I use the Classic theme for SeaMonkey. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Really OT - HHGTTG - was Re: OT : was Re: Adding search engines to seamonkey
On Wed, 15 Jul 2009, Daniel wrote: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:55:24 +1000 From: Daniel d...@albury.nospam.net.au To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: OT : was Re: Adding search engines to seamonkey Bret Busby wrote: On Tue, 14 Jul 2009, Philip Chee wrote: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:10:52 +0800 From: Philip Chee philip.c...@gmail.com snip -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 Two things Bret:- 1. Your sig de-limiter is broke (should be dash dash space), otherwise I could not have quoted it here, and, 2. Hitchhiker's guide is actually a trilogy in five parts. The citation is correct. The edition was published in 1992 by Pan Books an imprint of Pan MacMillan Ltd Pan MacMillan, 20 New Wharf Road, London N1 9RR Basingstoke and Oxford ... ISBN 0 330 31611 7. The front cover is a picture of a bathroom wall, with a Philishave (?) (three-headed) electric shaver on a glass shelf, on the left, on the right hand end of the glass shelf, is a digital watch, above that, is a glass hanging on the wall, containg three toothbrushes, and between the electricity supply socket ito which the electric shaver is plugged, and the glass hanging on the wall, is a mirror, containing an image of the Vogon bulldozer, oriented in the direction of travel from the top right corner of the mirror, to the bottom left corner of the mirror. The wall tiles are coloured darkish blue. See http://www.sfbok.se/asp/artikel.asp?VolumeID=24535 , for an illustration of the cover of the book. And, the cited quote is from the topmost paragraph on page 129 of the cited book. It is the second sentence of the paragraph. The first sentence of that paragraph, is 'Exactly!' said Deep Thought. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Adding search engines to seamonkey
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009, Philip Chee wrote: Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:10:52 +0800 From: Philip Chee philip.c...@gmail.com To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: Re: Adding search engines to seamonkey On Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:32:16 +0800 (WST), Bret Busby wrote: Previously, when the Mozilla suite existed, or, when it was Netscape, a user was able to add search engines, and, change the default search engine. Due to misconduct by google, I want to replace google as the default search engine, with yahoo, in seamonkey, but I cannot find how to add a search engine that is not included by seamonkey. Well in this respect SeaMonkey should work the same way as Mozilla Suite. So just use the same method you used in the old suite. Phil From memory (it was a long time ago, now), it used to be quite simple; it used to be able to be done, simply, using one of two methods; clicking on the Search button to the right of the URL text box, with the non-dominant mouse button, which would list the search engines available to use with that button, the list, at the bottom, including an option Add new search engine, which would lead to a dialogue box, into which the user would enter the URL for the search engine (eg, www.yahoo.com, or, www.altavista.com), or, using the menu route; Edit - Preferences - Navigator - Internet Search, which then had the option Add new search engine, which then went through the procedure describd above, from that point, and then, after whichever procedure was used, the extra search engine(s) would be added to the options for the search engines to be used by the browser, and, thence, one of those search engines could be made the new deault search engine. That, from memory, is how it used to be able to be done, with both ways of doing it, being available to the user, but, over the years, with changes to the software, and, the renaming (Netscape - Mozilla - Seamonkey/Firefox), that facility appears to have got lost in the process, and, the software less easy to use, so that, now, it appears, for a user to do what used to be simple, like adding extra search engines, and, changing the deafult search engine, the user has to do coding to achieve what the software used to do for the user. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Adding search engines to seamonkey
Hello. Previously, when the Mozilla suite existed, or, when it was Netscape, a user was able to add search engines, and, change the default search engine. Due to misconduct by google, I want to replace google as the default search engine, with yahoo, in seamonkey, but I cannot find how to add a search engine that is not included by seamonkey. Opera already includes yahoo as a search engine that can be used for searching. I am not sure whether Firefox allows for earch engines to be added to its included search engines. Please advise how a search engine that is not included in the search engines available through the search facility in seamonkey, can be added, so that the default search engine can be changed from google to yahoo. Thank you in anticipation. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
