[Biofuel] thanks
Dear Prof Allen, Keith, et Al With your help i made my dream possible. I received my MSc in Environmental Engineering, and my diploma is titled: Process development for biodiesel production from waste edible oils and quality control of the produced alternative fuel. My achivement however which i am really proud of is that i received three awards and 2 grants in national level (Greece), and i am waiting for another one which i replied lately in France. (very intereresting meeting opportunity to exchange ideas there www.innovact.com they have also a agro-meeting section) My research interest is now on reclaiming biodiesel byproducts ang i am considering the following: organic fertiliser(compost), natural antioxidants (polyphenols, mainly from used olive oil),tocopherols, biopolymers, metabolites of glycerol (e.x. lactic acid). I think these should be mentioned on the web site and i could prepare something about these. Thank you, You are all in my heart. Stelios Stelios bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You use it just like fossil crude oil. Further refining will afford just about what ever you want, from low molecular wt gases and distillates up thru asphalt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can it be used as diesel substitute in cars? If not, what applications? Rgds WH ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Q. about Commerce in Somolia [was] US shuts down Somalia internet
Hi again Mike Thanks for the links. OK...Somalia. ...a place where no industrialized country has recognized a coherent government in 13 years and where these countries usually have no hesitation in calling it anarchy. I don't totally disagree. Perhaps even several different kinds of anarchy. What makes Somalia so interesting (IMO) is that they've managed to form a fiefdom whereby protection comes from the tribal elders and so called warlords and skirmishes between tribes happen regularly as a way of re-establishing territorial borders. Within each of those borders, there seems to be relative calm (if not destitution). Barring the technologies that give us civil services and health care, I wonder if the number of homicides are comparable to an inner city community in the US (i.e. Watts/LA, CA) -- Different culture, different societal infrastructure but, similar results (not including environmental impacts and lack of medical care). I think that, once if ever you could factor out the effects of what's happened there in the last 13 years, leaving you with what's really Somali, you might find something with little comparison with an inner city community in the US. In other words I'd guess that the bedrock of Somali society is not only still there but it's what's holding everything together. Because it is still together. Life goes on, in spite of everything, as Human Rights Watch implies in your ref below, and the Atlantic Monthly piece too, in a different sort of way, Ayn Rand notwithstanding. In the middle of all this, is a thriving telecommunications industry that apparently requires a consensus from the various tribes in order to exist. This would indicate some sort of confederation with the potential to participate in a world market without following any of the conventional wisdom of what we think is necessary for the survival of a society. Definitely. It's one of the major problems - our conventional wisdom blinds us and leads us to impose solutions, no matter how generously, that can have disastrous consequences, which we then call unforeseen side-effects. Agenda 21 has a lot to say about this. So does this: http://journeytoforever.org/community2.html Community development - The Questions I should add that arguably the major victims of this are the industrialised-nation societies themselves. The fact that all the members of these tribes seem to be as fiercely independent as they were over a decade ago, would also indicate that the meddling of outside influences is still seen as unwelcome. Definitely again. But again I'd argue that a genuine, humble approach made in the right way to the right people at the right time offering true cooperation might not go amiss. Look at what they say: They give us food and they shoot us. Maybe they're not dumb. Aidid said: We do not want to become a new colony. I'm sure they still say that. What other than a new colony might be the likes of the WTO, free trade, the IMF and the World Bank, and the predatory corporatism unleashed by neo-liberal economics that we're still fast-asleep enough to think means progress and freedom? Maybe we're dumber than they are. I can't speak for anyone else in this list but, I'm very interested in how this works and wonder if there is something important to be learned here. I'm sure there is, and it might be more starkly apparent in Somalia, more diffuse in other situations, because the Somalis are so strange. Actually I think they're quite fabulous people, despite all indications of recent events. Best wishes Keith Mike __ Sources: Human Rights Watch: Grassroots efforts, led by a broad variety of activists and elders, offer an alternative to the cycle of violence, although law and order remains an issue dominated by clan discrimination and kinship status, and the warleaders engage in reprisals against key elders to counter their efforts at negotiation. The greatest danger to the broad-based efforts at reconstruction could come from the international community-if any nation chose to interfere now by backing one or more warleader. http://www.hrw.org/reports/1995/somalia/http://www.hrw.org/reports/ 1995/somalia/ The Atlantic Monthly | May 2001 Ayn Rand Comes to Somalia In the absence of government bureaucracy and foreign aid, business is starting to boom by Peter Maass http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200105/maasshttp://www.theatlan tic.com/doc/prem/200105/maass CIA World Fact Book general assessment: the public telecommunications system was almost completely destroyed or dismantled by the civil war factions; private wireless companies offer service in most major cities and charge the lowest international rates on the continent domestic: local cellular telephone systems have been established in Mogadishu and in several other population centers international: country code - 252; international connections are available from
Re: [Biofuel] Q. about Commerce in Somolia [was] US shuts down Somalia internet
Hi Mike First of all, now that I look: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_1775000/1775865.stm BBC News | AFRICA | Tuesday, 22 January, 2002, 19:14 GMT Internet returns to Somalia There's some useful information there in a sidebar, Somalia, land in turmoil. OK...Somalia. Interesting place. I'm really keen to know whether we'll go there or not, but there's no way of knowing that until the time comes. Quite a few other such places too. ...a place where no industrialized country has recognized a coherent government in 13 years and where these countries usually have no hesitation in calling it anarchy. I don't totally disagree. What makes Somalia so interesting (IMO) is that they've managed to form a fiefdom whereby protection comes from the tribal elders and so called warlords and skirmishes between tribes happen regularly as a way of re-establishing territorial borders. It's always been that way, not much has really changed, conquest and colonialism and government were never much more than a different coat of paint. The Somalis are an extraordinary people. They're a nation of poets. They could be the only nation of poets. Poets and warriors, like the feudal Japanese were (the Japanese are still poets). Feudal is the right word. Though of course there are Somalis in all walks of life now, they seem to be talented and capable people. I'll post this article and come back to the rest in my next post. This was published in 1993, during the first crisis (which hasn't ever ended). You might recall that the Bad Guy at the time was a warlord named General Mohamed Farah Aidid. (By the way, I wrote this article three months before the mainstream press picked it up, though they all had men on the spot. I'd edited and produced this book on Somalia for Zed the year before: Divine Madness, Zed Books, 1992.) Best Keith Hong Kong Standard July 13, 1993 A tale of two monsters Somali warlord Mohamed Farah Aidid has a role model - a warrior-priest who held off the British for 21 years, writes Keith Addison General Mohamed Farah Aidid, once the commanding officer of a national army and Somaliland's ambassador to India, now has blood on his hands and a price on his head. On Saturday the United Nations offered a Somalis-only reward of US$25,000 for information leading to Aidid's capture. It would take the average Somali 147 years to earn that much. It might work - they might catch him (or kill him) tomorrow. But yesterday, the wily warlord was still at large in Mogadishu, in spite of a month of high-powered attempts by the UN peacekeeping forces to obliterate him. He says he's protected by God. The two sides are locked in a deadly game of retaliation which each thinks the other started. Bombed but unscathed, Aidid retaliated with a double ambush of UN Pakistani soldiers, killing 24 and wounding 59. They were in Somalia to guard aid workers taking food to the starving millions against the likes of Aidid (who, when the two sides were still talking, had refused to allow the Pakistanis into the country). Outraged, the UN Security Council authorised its 18,000 troops to take all necessary steps, which translated into intensive air and ground attacks and house-to-house searches, which failed either to catch Aidid or to stop him. The rising toll of innocent bystanders, especially women and children, killed by the UN (which says the gunmen use them as shields) sparked strong anti-foreigner feeling among the Somalis. Angry crowds demonstrated, and the Pakistanis opened fire on them, killing 20 and wounding 51. They give us food and they shoot us, a Somali said. Imperialist bootlickers, added Aidid's radio station. The Somalis will fight to the last man. We do not want to become a new colony. Aidid's urban guerilla attacks on UN Blue Helmets and civilian workers continued at the rate of two a day (they even attacked a US ship), the clean, surgical UN raids grew ever fiercer, and the people of Mogadishu angrier, until on Monday, two days after the UN posted its reward, following a UN attack, a Somali mob killed two Western journalists. Italy's foreign minister called for a suspension of the UN combat operation, and the UN's role in Somalia came under intense international scrutiny. Meanwhile, Aidid, unhurt and uncaptured, was said to be holding meetings with the elders of his clan. This is all a modern remake of a hundred-year-old Somali movie. General Aidid's role model is an irksome warrior-poet-priest named Mohamed Abdulle Hassan, whose dervish horsemen held off the British colonisers for 21 years, up to 1920. He too was protected by God. The British called him the Mad Mullah, and he was a pain in the neck. There is a long Somali tradition of being a pain in an infidel's neck. British explorer Richard Burton, encountering a caravan of herdsmen in East Africa 150 years ago, was warned by his guide: Somalis - no good, each man his own
Re: [Biofuel] switchable permanent magnets? was Magnetic boots
How do you turn off a permanent magnet electronically? Hi Tallex, permanent magnets are laid in the track and used by the signalling system on British Rail. (AWS) To turn off the permanent magnet the electro magnet which lays along side the permanent is activated and swamps the magnetic field. As you rightly say it does not turn off the field, just cancels it out. Chris. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 24/08/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program
robert luis rabello wrote: Joe Street wrote: Really? When was the last time you bought lumber in Canada? I built a house with Canadian lumber just three years ago and did not see any of the problems you report. There are still a number of new homes going up in my neighborhood, and I haven't noticed any deterioration of lumber quality. Well perhaps if you live in the west where lumber supply is most plentiful the situation is different. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the western provinces also keep the best wood and ship the crap to the east since they have the attitude towards queens park that they do. lol. I have seen a dramatic decline in the quality of product retailed in this country. All the good lumber goes south and what is left is the warped twisted boards with more knots than you have ever seen. Tell me how is that in my interest? I'm referring to the court rulings concerning NAFTA and softwood lumber. All of these have been in Canada's favor. Do you disagree? I do agree that the US has imposed illegal tariffs on Canadian lumber. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] thanks
Congratulations Stelios, I think you made a wise decision on your thesis work. It looks like you will be in demand. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Prof Allen, Keith, et Al With your help i made my dream possible. I received my MSc in Environmental Engineering, and my diploma is titled: Process development for biodiesel production from waste edible oils and quality control of the produced alternative fuel. Is there an electronic version of your thesis you could share with us? In english hopefully? My achivement however which i am really proud of is that i received three awards and 2 grants in national level (Greece), and i am waiting for another one which i replied lately in France. (very intereresting meeting opportunity to exchange ideas there www.innovact.com they have also a agro-meeting section) My research interest is now on reclaiming biodiesel byproducts ang i am considering the following: organic fertiliser(compost), natural antioxidants (polyphenols, mainly from used olive oil),tocopherols, biopolymers, metabolites of glycerol (e.x. lactic acid). I think these should be mentioned on the web site and i could prepare something about these. Although I have little time for real research, I also am looking at other ways to reclaim byproducts, essentially the glycerol. Etherification of glycerol yields 1,2,3 trimethoxy propane which could be used as an oxygenated component for gasoline. Also reesterifcation of the glycerol with propanoic or butanoic acid will produce a 12 or 15 carbon compound which could be added directly to the biodiesel, thus increasing the overall yield of fuel from lipids. Of course the big question is, is it energy/cost effective. good luck -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program
Joe Street wrote: Well perhaps if you live in the west where lumber supply is most plentiful the situation is different. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the western provinces also keep the best wood and ship the crap to the east since they have the attitude towards queens park that they do. lol. Ah, there are advantages to living on the left coast after all! The timber situation in B.C. remains in flux. As the climate warms and winters become less severe (noticeably so since I've been here, and I haven't been here that long), Mountain Pine Beetle infestation has become a progressively larger problem. By 2004, more than 7 million hectares of timber land had been infected, particularly in the central highland corridor between the Coast Range and Rocky Mountains. The Chilcoltin and Quesnel regions, some of the most productive timber country on the continent, are hardest hit. In an effort to make lemonade out of these lemons, lumber companies have begun selling recovered wood from infested trees. This lumber has a blue patina to it and is supposed to be structurally sound. Given the extent of our infestation problem over here, it would be a very good thing for the forest industry to find a market for this kind of lumber. Between pine beetles and U.S. tariffs, the timber industry in this province has really been hammered. It's hit small towns in the B.C. interior very hard, and in many of these places, despair had been widespread BEFORE these twin problems became pervasive. Now, some of the places where I've lived have virtually no jobs left. As the mills close and community investment dries up, all the service oriented jobs (including education, which is my field) disappear. Property values plummet. Alcoholism and drug abuse increase. It's hard to put a monetary value on the kind of human suffering that has occurred since the softwood lumber dispute began. What it HAS done, at least in British Columbia, is nurture a deep seeded resentment of the United States among citizens here. How long can we Americans survive if we're making enemies of our friends? I do agree that the US has imposed illegal tariffs on Canadian lumber. Then we are in agreement. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
Hi Bob I really hope you are wrong about this. He seems to be such a kind old gentleman. I agree that some of his assertions seem to be way out there, but when I look at all of the other things that we all don't seem to understand, I try to live with an open mind. Wish I could remember the name of the British Knight who first said I am too much of a skeptic to disbelieve anything I had thought/assumed that all of his degrees where awarded through his career in the US Army. Please don't tell me that was bogus as well. Wes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob allen Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 3:21 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots Howdy Wes, Wes Moore wrote: I think you have it wrong, Mr Allen. you can call me bob, but if you want to use titles, try Professor Allen. Whether or not this is viable, there is a world of difference. Dr Tom Bearden is an accredited scientist with a reputation that stands on its own. oh really? He claims he has a Science PhD, but then he also claims that his PhD was awarded the Ph.D. for life experience and for life accomplishment (from Trinity College - Ed.)... http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/011403.htm when I goggle Trinity College it turns up at least ten different Trinity Colleges, so it would be difficult to trace his credentials. Do you know which one? no wait, I found it (trinity college now defunct was a diploma mill http://web.archive.org/web/19970601203026/http://www.trinityuni.org/index.ht ml he also is an adherent to cold fusion: http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2004/05/27/TomBeardenGrievesMalloveLos s/ he also does weather weapons: http://www.gaiaguys.net/weatherwar.htm also see how tom bearden also does chemistry, http://www.altcancer.com/vidgal.htm#beardon and anti gravity: http://antigravitypower.tripod.com/exper.html and on and on, so no, I don't really think his credentials are all that good. The main thing I see from his web site are outlandish claims and calls for money (vide supra) from: http://www.cheniere.org/ THE FUTURE Could be now-if development funding were made available. Look if this or any other free energy device worked why is money needed. Just hook up your working model to the grid, sell power, make money, , build bigger devices, make more money, etc. etc, etc. In a very short time one could rule the world. From coal miners to nuclear engineers and everything in between would be your slaves. In addition I think Joe Bedini has been able to demonstrate enough to show that anyone with the attitude you have shown is simply out of the flux. out of the flux? I've been out of the loop, out of my head, out of pocket, out to lunch, but never out the flux. I think some of the info from Coral Castle probably demonstrates that it is our lack of comprehension that fosters your polarized attitude. I don't think it is my problem of comprehension, but rather his problem of reality. Sorry to be so blunt, but free energy, magnetic energy, over unity, etc, leave me cold. See quote below from a real scientist. -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What has the world come to
Is the source for this correct ? It might be good to cite the source if we are going to assasinate not only a living person but also a man's character. If you have the original source for this information then maybe we should post it here to help clear this up. Just a thought... Clif I JUST heard it on NPR! Here's the quote: http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNewsarticle=UPI-1-20050823-09170200-bc-us-robertson.xml I to sadly have heard the quote out of his own mouth. I have also heard his contrite apology. Unfortunately we all say things in the moment we later regret. Two things are true in this world.. There is a God ... And I am not Him. I cannot speak to another man's salvation. It is regretable that men who are called men of God still have some of the old nature in them. Fortunately the process of sanctification is an ongoing process much like our process here to find the perfect method creating good fuel. May Mr. Robertson consider this episode part of his refining. Clif Clif, you're still being an apologist for Robertson. First you question the source and imply that his character is being assassinated, and now, when faced with the statement straight from the horse's mouth, you dissemble and imply that it's really ok because we're all just God's imperfect creatures and it's alright because he said he was sorry. If Robertson is so sorry, why is he blantantly LYING about what he said? I thought christians of his ilk were all about taking personal responsibility? I find any contrite apology rather thin when only *yesterday* he was still claiming he was misinterpreted. Why did he go on the air yesterday and claim he never used the word assassinate when Monday's video clearly shows he did? Refining my ass. The man is a lying hypocrite and you know it. jh August 24, 2005 Robertson Apologizes but Says He Was 'Misinterpreted' By LAURIE GOODSTEIN The Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson issued a statement today apologizing for his televised remarks calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez. Is it right to call for assassination? he said in the statement. No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him. But Mr. Robertson was far from apologetic on his television show today, instead insisting that he had been been misinterpreted by The Associated Press and that he had never used the word assassination. I said our special forces should 'take him out.' 'Take him out' could be a number of things, including kidnapping, Mr. Robertson told his audience on the show The 700 Club today. The video from Monday's telecast, easily available on the internet, shows Mr. Robertson saying of the Venezuelan president: If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war, and I don't think any oil shipments will stop. Mr. Robertson went on at length about Mr. Chávez, suggesting that covert operatives could do the job and then get it over with. Political and religious leaders continued to denounce Mr. Robertson today. The World Evangelical Alliance issued a statement saying, Robertson does not speak for evangelical Christians. We believe in justice and the protection of human rights of all people, including the life of President Chavez. On Tuesday, Mr. Robertson's comments were denounced by both the State Department and by Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld. In Caracas, Mr. Robertson was criticized by the vice president of Venezuela, and in Havana by President Fidel Castro. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] help getting started - was Re: (no subject)
Hello there Keith and how are things? Listen I was wondering if maybe you might know of anybody in Yucca Valley,Ca or Palm Springs area that is involved in making their own bio-diesel. Like I have been saying I don't have the brain power to try this on my own but if there was such a person close to me I could get some help. Please see what you can do. Thanks and God Bless, Donald God Bless, Donald Lyon From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] help getting started - was Re: (no subject)Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:54:01 +0900Hello Gary, welcome Hey Michael Would like some help also if you have the time. Any advice on the best way to get started?Start here:"Where do I start?"http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#startKeep going.If you have problems, check the list archives and/or ask.Best wishesKeith Thanks Gary From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] (no subject) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:37:21 -0400 Hi, I live in Seale, Alabama. I would be happy to work with you. I have been making biodiesel for almost 3 years now. I look forward to hearing from you. Cheers! Michael Lendzian CINS Network Support Team Columbus State University CINS/Center for Commerce Technology Room 105 706.569.3044 (help desk) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:22 pm Subject: [Biofuel] (no subject)I am looking for someone in Alabama, preferably Birmingham area that is making bio fuel that would be willing to show me the process and equipment used. I will also drive to TN, GA, MS, N-FL, if anyone is available. Thanks, Hunter___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots
Hi Joe I am from near Ottawa, 6 hours from you. The magic, I think is not in the magnet, but in the universe. I hope that you can take all that you know about magnets, and program your mind to understand there is possible that much times 400 more to be known. Wasnt it Einstein who said a genius would be someone who knows ¼ of 1 percent about any one thing. Have you read or tried to read Ed Leedskalnin s book on magnetism ? I am not going to tell you that Mr Radus lab was destroyed, and as far as I know, Westinghouse is still in business. But I hope you would not try to tell me that this sort of thing is not within the scope of corporate and government affairs. Wes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:04 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Magnetic boots Hey Wes, last time I checked the difference between randomized and synchronized electron spin involved energy. Try as I might I haven't found a way to violate the law of conservation of energy otherwise I would. But my offer still stands. I see you are posting from Canada as well so why don't you get your hands on one of these magical magnets and bring it down to the university and we'll see what's what. I've got Gauss meters here and lots of other instrumentation that will put an end to the discussion in short order. All anyone has to do is produce it. Man I sure hope you are right 'cuz I'll be the first to rip that nasty old diesel out of my golf and jam in a free energy motor. Just think too when I get home all I have to do is back that baby up to the wall and give 'er hell and since the wheels aren't turning the rotor windings will now become a generator and I can power my house and get off the grid. Hell I can sell some of that free energy to the city and turn a tidy profit. Is this the point where you are going to tell me that some evil government agents destroyed his labs and now nobody can figure out what the beleaguered genius had discovered? Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] thanks
Stelios, that's great! Congratulations! Dear Prof Allen, Keith, et Al With your help i made my dream possible.I received my MSc in Environmental Engineering, and my diploma is titled:Process development for biodiesel production from waste edible oils and qualitycontrol of the produced alternative fuel. My achivement however which i am really proud of is that i received three awardsand 2 grants in national level (Greece), and i am waiting for another one whichi replied lately in France. (very intereresting meeting opportunity to exchangeideas there www.innovact.com they have also a agro-meeting section) My research interest is now on reclaiming biodiesel byproducts ang i amconsidering the following: organic fertiliser(compost), natural antioxidants(polyphenols, mainly from used olive oil),tocopherols, biopolymers, metabolitesof glycerol (e.x. lactic acid). I think these should be mentioned on the website and i could prepare something about these. Not much of it is available at the backyard level though. Actually it's pretty much a closed system, the final few missing bits will be filled in soon. (Did you forget biogas?) I'd by happy to discuss it with you offlist, and thanks for offering. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Thank you,You are all in my heart. Stelios Stelios bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You use it just like fossil crude oil. Further refining will afford just about what ever you want, from low molecular wt gases and distillates up thru asphalt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can it be used as diesel substitute in cars? If not, what applications? Rgds WH ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] help getting started - was Re: (no subject)
Hello there Keith and how are things? Listen I was wondering if maybe you might know of anybody in Yucca Valley,Ca or Palm Springs area Me? I live in Japan. Anyway, you don't need anyone to hold your hand, most biodieselers didn't have, and very many of them had very much less information to work with than you do. Including me. that is involved in making their own bio-diesel. Like I have been saying I don't have the brain power to try this on my own Oh dear! Now there's a self-fulfilling prophecy if ever I heard one. You've said it so often you've convinced yourself. If you just know it's true you'll make it true even if it's not. And it certainly is not. Let's put it this way: if you have the capability to use your computer to find this mailing list, join it, and post a message to it, you have the capability to make biodiesel too, without killing yourself or blowing up the neighbourhood. Yes, it's that easy. Yes, there's a lot to learn, but you do it step by step, and you can be making fuel from the start. but if there was such a person close to me I could get some help. You can get help here and at the JtF website. You've already had help, but you're too frightened to jump in. And that is your only real problem, IMHO. Like I said before, Start here: Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Keep going. If you have difficulties, ask. Best wishes Keith Please see what you can do. Thanks and God Bless, Donald God Bless, Donald Lyon From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] help getting started - was Re: (no subject) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:54:01 +0900 Hello Gary, welcome Hey Michael Would like some help also if you have the time. Any advice on the best way to get started? Start here: Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Keep going. If you have problems, check the list archives and/or ask. Best wishes Keith Thanks Gary From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] (no subject) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:37:21 -0400 Hi, I live in Seale, Alabama. I would be happy to work with you. I have been making biodiesel for almost 3 years now. I look forward to hearing from you. Cheers! Michael Lendzian CINS Network Support Team Columbus State University CINS/Center for Commerce Technology Room 105 706.569.3044 (help desk) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:22 pm Subject: [Biofuel] (no subject) I am looking for someone in Alabama, preferably Birmingham area that is making bio fuel that would be willing to show me the process and equipment used. I will also drive to TN, GA, MS, N-FL, if anyone is available. Thanks, Hunter ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What has the world come to
Clif Caldwell wrote: I to sadly have heard the quote out of his own mouth. Then you should be able to tell the tree by its fruit! This is not the first time Pat Robertson has inserted his foot into his rather large mouth. I have also heard his contrite apology. Here's what he said: Is it right to call for assassination? Robertson said. No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him. But initially, he claimed this: I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should 'take him out,' Robertson said on his show. This is qualitatively different? Besides, what is a man who is supposed to be leading people to Jesus Christ doing in the political realm in the first place? Jesus himself said: My kingdom is not of this world. But people like Pat Robertson use the cloak of religion to promote a political agenda, legislate morality and gain political power. This is hardly Christlike. Two things are true in this world.. There is a God ... And I am not Him. I cannot speak to another man's salvation. So you're saying that because we cannot effectively judge another man's salvation that we should accept the antichristian sentiments of Pat Robertson as meritorious? It is regretable that men who are called men of God still have some of the old nature in them. All of us do. However, how much evidence do you need to comprehend that Pat Robertson is NOT a man of God? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What has the world come to
John Hayes wrote: Is the source for this correct ? It might be good to cite the source if we are going to assasinate not only a living person but also a man's character. If you have the original source for this information then maybe we should post it here to help clear this up. Just a thought... Clif I JUST heard it on NPR! Here's the quote: http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNewsarticle=UPI-1-20050823-09170200-bc-us-robertson.xml I to sadly have heard the quote out of his own mouth. I have also heard his contrite apology. Unfortunately we all say things in the moment we later regret. Two things are true in this world.. There is a God ... And I am not Him. I cannot speak to another man's salvation. It is regretable that men who are called men of God still have some of the old nature in them. Fortunately the process of sanctification is an ongoing process much like our process here to find the perfect method creating good fuel. May Mr. Robertson consider this episode part of his refining. Clif Clif, you're still being an apologist for Robertson. First you question the source and imply that his character is being assassinated, and now, when faced with the statement straight from the horse's mouth, you dissemble and imply that it's really ok because we're all just God's imperfect creatures and it's alright because he said he was sorry. If Robertson is so sorry, why is he blantantly LYING about what he said? I thought christians of his ilk were all about taking personal responsibility? I find any contrite apology rather thin when only *yesterday* he was still claiming he was misinterpreted. Why did he go on the air yesterday and claim he never used the word assassinate when Monday's video clearly shows he did? Refining my ass. The man is a lying hypocrite and you know it. jh August 24, 2005 Robertson Apologizes but Says He Was 'Misinterpreted' By LAURIE GOODSTEIN The Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson issued a statement today apologizing for his televised remarks calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez. Is it right to call for assassination? he said in the statement. No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him. But Mr. Robertson was far from apologetic on his television show today, instead insisting that he had been been misinterpreted by The Associated Press and that he had never used the word assassination. I said our special forces should 'take him out.' 'Take him out' could be a number of things, including kidnapping, Mr. Robertson told his audience on the show The 700 Club today. The video from Monday's telecast, easily available on the internet, shows Mr. Robertson saying of the Venezuelan president: If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war, and I don't think any oil shipments will stop. Mr. Robertson went on at length about Mr. Chávez, suggesting that covert operatives could do the job and then get it over with. Political and religious leaders continued to denounce Mr. Robertson today. The World Evangelical Alliance issued a statement saying, Robertson does not speak for evangelical Christians. We believe in justice and the protection of human rights of all people, including the life of President Chavez. On Tuesday, Mr. Robertson's comments were denounced by both the State Department and by Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld. In Caracas, Mr. Robertson was criticized by the vice president of Venezuela, and in Havana by President Fidel Castro. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ I cannot provide any defense for his statements nor can I dispute the validity of your (jh) statements and assessment. Perhaps I have made so many mistakes personally that I am just slightly slower to pick up rocks than I used to be. Anyway I am not an apologist for anyone, especially a grown man with an audience the size of Pat Robertson. If I sound like that then I apologize :). As far as questioning the source that is just something I have learned over the years when reading something for the first time on the internet. I've found this attitude keeps me from making too many errors in judgment. I do recall something from a book I recently read: Be hard on the mistake and easy on the person. Maybe I should reexamine that statement in light of all of this. Just so you know jh I'll continue to strive to be slow to pick up a rock What a good list. And to think I was trying to
[Biofuel] temperate oilseed tree?
Hello all, Does anyone know of a temperate (USDA zone 6b) oilseed tree? Might as well get some planted now. Thanks, Erik ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What has the world come to
robert luis rabello wrote: Clif Caldwell wrote: I to sadly have heard the quote out of his own mouth. Then you should be able to tell the tree by its fruit! This is not the first time Pat Robertson has inserted his foot into his rather large mouth. I have also heard his contrite apology. Here's what he said: Is it right to call for assassination? Robertson said. No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him. But initially, he claimed this: I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should 'take him out,' Robertson said on his show. This is qualitatively different? Besides, what is a man who is supposed to be leading people to Jesus Christ doing in the political realm in the first place? Jesus himself said: My kingdom is not of this world. But people like Pat Robertson use the cloak of religion to promote a political agenda, legislate morality and gain political power. This is hardly Christlike. Two things are true in this world.. There is a God ... And I am not Him. I cannot speak to another man's salvation. So you're saying that because we cannot effectively judge another man's salvation that we should accept the antichristian sentiments of Pat Robertson as meritorious? It is regretable that men who are called men of God still have some of the old nature in them. All of us do. However, how much evidence do you need to comprehend that Pat Robertson is NOT a man of God? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Point taken Whether or not I trust Pat Robertson has nothing to do with my reticence to question his relationship with his creator. Unfortunately I failed Deity 101 in school and therefore am unlikely to ever assume that role. Thanks for the input. With humbled and no hard feelings regards, Clif ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Removing water from WVO
Greetings. Has anyone tried using an absorptive polymer to remove water from WVO? It is a cheap product that is used in sandy soils to increase water retention for plants. It is also used in products that remove water from the bottom of fuel tanks at gas stations. I think one brand is called water sock. The WVO could be pumped through a vessel containing the crystals as it was being filtered. The crystals expand with water and turn to jello then they can be dried out in the sun and reused. There is a similar product used in diapers but that is starch based and wouldnt work as well. If it works, we might save time and energy removing water. Am I making sense to anyone? Regards, Emil ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO collector and restaurant threatened by rendering company
Hi, the information I mentioned about Michigan was drawn for communications in this list serve from months ago. The list archives (should) have several Michigan residents discussing the situation with grease collection in the state of Michigan. There was one gentlemen who resided near Lansing, MI that I'm specifically thinking about now. I just can't remember his name. Michael Lendzian CINS Network Support Team Columbus State University CINS/Center for Commerce Technology Room 105 706.569.3044 (help desk) - Original Message - From: John I [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:19 pm Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO collector and restaurant threatened by rendering company Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:49:17 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO collector and restaurant threatened by rendering company To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Frieda, There are lawyers out there that HAVE worked with the little guy/girl against the big renderers. You may talk to one. I learned that the restuarant should give you a receipt for the grease you collect. In some states, it is illegal for anyone who is not a (state) registered renderer to collect WVO. ie Michigan. Hello, I've been searching through the State (of Michigan) License Search d'base and I can't find any such license requirements. Could you please shed some light on the specifics for me as that's my state. The closest I could come up with was for a Rendering Plant: Required State License(s): Any establishment that reduces dead animals to tallow and meat scraps, cracklings, or other items unfit for human consumption by cooking or processing must be licensed as a rendering plant by the Department of Agriculture, Animal Industry Division; (517) 373-1077. Revised: 12/2002 This specifies animal products (allbeit I dont know what a crackling is besides what's seen on certain Detroit corners) so I dont see this as pertaining to WVO collection/processing. I see another regarding liquid industrial waste, quite broadly stated as: Liquid Industrial Waste Hauler Required State License(s): When transporting liquid industrial waste from the premises of another contact the Department of Environmental Quality for further information (800) 662-9278. A Motor Carrier license is required with the Public Service Commission, Department of Labor Economic Growth at (517) 241-6030. However, hazardous waste transporters who have appropriate authorization may transport liquid industrial waste without obtaining a license. Revised: 5/2005 Since this is exempted by a hazmat license and seems to cover general transportation rather then rendering issues it doesn't seem to be applicable either. Past that the only other license I can see that would be even remotely conected to BioD production is: Diesel Fuel Dealer Required State License(s): When involved in the business of selling and delivering diesel motor fuel to the supply tanks of motor vehicles in Michigan should be registered with the Department of Treasury, Motor Fuel, Cigarette Miscellaneous Taxes Division; (517) 636-4630. Diesel tanks also should be registered with the Department of State Police, Fire Marshall; (517) 322-1924. Revised: 4/2005 It's 2nd paragraph that's of more particular intrest since they want the registration of tanks. I assume this whole lincensure is specific to petrolium based diesel but since it is broadly stated I dont know that as fact. Any legal insight to this or other BioD/WVO related issues (even if not specific to Michigan) would be of great intrest. Thanks, John Perhaps you could become a blue ribbon licensed WVO renderer on the state books? Check into what it would take. The renderers should have a contract with the restaurant maybe? Otherwise they are way out of line. The restuarant owner should tell the renderer to take his grease bin and stick it where the sun won't shine. For the renderer to claim that the restuarant is helping you cheat fuel taxes, is bizarre, but it's even more bizarre that in the same statement that the renderer would claim that the restuarant is responsible for your fuel road tax is the stupidest thing that I have heard of well, since this Pat Robertson thing just popped up... Just my two cents... Good Luck Frieda and keep us posted on how this works out. Surely we will be seeing more run in's with renderer in the near future. Best Regards, Michael Lendzian CINS Network Support Team Columbus State University CINS/Center for Commerce Technology Room 105 706.569.3044 (help desk) -- next part -- Hello all, The rendering company (company that collects used
Re: [Biofuel] temperate oilseed tree?
Hello all, Does anyone know of a temperate (USDA zone 6b) oilseed tree? Might as well get some planted now. Thanks, Erik Hello Erik Try these databases: NewCrop SearchEngine at the Center for New Crops Plant Products at Purdue University -- Search for oil. Results: The following pages containing 'oil' were found -- hits 1-20 of 200. Results are hyperlinked to detailed factsheets. http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/SearchEngine.html Plants For A Future -- Database Search -- See Search by Use - Select any of the following uses. Or select none and use the plant criteria below. Select Other Use - oil. Results: Other Use: Oil (460). Results are hyperlinked to detailed factsheets. http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/D_search.html I know someone was growing moringa in Canada, which is supposed to be out of its range, I'm not sure how well it did. You can get seeds from ECHO. Try jojoba too. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Europe Adopts Biodiesel - Jatropha
http://www.ecoworld.org/Home/Articles2.cfm?TID=356http://www.ecowor ld.org/Home/Articles2.cfm?TID=356 Europe Adopts Biodiesel CAN AN AFRICAN BEAN CRACK EUROPE'S BIODIESEL BLOCKAGE? By Candida Jones A row of Jatropha trees - plants with potential to alleviate fuel shortages Editor's Note: Jatropha is an example of a plant that could be grown even if it didn't yield biofuel. It is useful for restoring soil, combatting desertification, and providing fertilizer. It requires minimal inputs of water and grows in extremely poor soil. Any plant that is a cash crop anyway and costs almost nothing to grow can't be a bad candidate for an economically viable biofuel. Distilleries for biofuel exist throughout the world; biofuel is a form of solar energy harvested from the land, and wherever land and water are abundant, biofuel is cheap and the flow never wanes. In Africa, India, Asia and the Americas, Jatropha is one of the most promising feedstocks in what is becoming a worldwide biofuel bonanza. Europeans are planting and investing in Jatropha fields in all these places and elsewhere. One company in the U.K., D1 Oils based in London, has built a portable Jatropha biodiesel refinery. Such an innovation is an example of how the potential of biofuel is just beginning to be tapped. - Ed Redwood Ring The potential to run engines on biofuel goes all the way back to Rudolph Diesel's successful trials using peanut oil a century ago. Yet it is only now, with the transport sector likely to be the fastest growing contributor to greenhouse gas emissions this century, and diesel prices climbing steadily as oil appears scarcer and less secure, that the advantages of biodiesel are being appreciated by governments around the world. However, there is as yet no source of biodiesel that is cheap and plentiful enough to meet the potential demand. Running trucks on used cooking fat from fast food outlets is not going to be a large scale option. Tamil Nadu Agricultural University is researching Jatropha on a large scale. However, across the developing world there's growing excitement about the possibility that an up-to-now obscure tree, Jatropha Curcus, might offer a sustainable, large scale source of biodiesel. This non-edible shrub is planted as a hedge in both Africa and India, and its beans are used as a laxative in traditional medicine. When crushed the beans produce oil that can be refined into biodiesel. According to the http://www.iea.org/International Energy Association, the use of oil, including diesel, for road transport will double in the next 25 years and greenhouses gases will increase commensurably. In the EU, legislation is already in place to mitigate this by increasing the proportion of biodiesel in Europe's transport energy mix. The EU biofuels directive requires a minimum level of biofuels as a proportion of fuels sold in the EU of 2% by 2005, 5.75% by 2010 and 20% by 2020. The main green fuels will be ethanol and biodiesel, and demand for biodiesel is expected to be up to 10.5 billion litres by 2010. http://www.energy.gov/ If that demand can be met, it will be good news for the environment and for our general health. While combustion of any fuel releases CO2 into the atmosphere, biodiesel produces lower emissions than mineral diesel. Furthermore, because it comes from crops that absorb CO2 as they grow, biodiesel's overall contribution to greenhouse gas emissions is extremely low. A 1998 biodiesel lifecycle study, jointly sponsored by the http://www.energy.gov/US Department of Energy (USDE) and the http://www.usda.gov/US Department of Agriculture, concluded that pure B100 biodiesel reduces net CO2 emissions by 100 percent compared to petroleum diesel. With a B20 mix (a 20% bio-diesel solution), the net CO2 emissions are reduced by 20%. Compared with mineral diesel, biodiesel reduces particle emissions (PM) by 30%, carbon monoxide (CO), which affects air quality and human health, by 50%, and sodium monoxide (SOx) by 50%. Unlike mineral diesel, bio-diesel is non-toxic and is biodegradable. http://europa.eu.int/ The EU biofuels policy currently relies on an assumption that the heavily-subsidised cultivation of rapeseed will meet its biodiesel targets. However, this is a very large assumption. Already some 3 million hectares of agricultural land across the EU, an area roughly the size of Belgium, grows 10 millon tonnes of rapeseed. But since just 20% of this is ultimately used for biodiesel as opposed to food oil, another whole Belgium would have to be covered in the yellow rapeseed blanket to meet the targets. Rapeseed tires the land, and requires expensive crop rotation and fossil-based fertilisers. Growing rapeseed also has an opportunity cost of preventing farmers from growing more environmentally-friendly, less intensive, and often more profitable produce such as cereals or organic root vegetables. Under these circumstances, the supply of
Re: [Biofuel] What has the world come to
Clif Caldwell wrote: Point taken Whether or not I trust Pat Robertson has nothing to do with my reticence to question his relationship with his creator. Unfortunately I failed Deity 101 in school and therefore am unlikely to ever assume that role. They offer that class somewhere? : - ) Thanks for the input. You're welcome. I've been around here for a LONG time now, so if I seem strident it's only because we've dealt with the wolf in sheep's clothing type of warmongering Christian perspective many times in the past. It is fundamentally no different than the Muslim variety of extremism, and fundamentally non-Christian. With humbled and no hard feelings regards, Perhaps you are more comfortable in extending grace to others than I. Somehow, I hope you will find a kind of home here. The biofuels list represents a very diverse cross section of people, and I have a tendency to draw conclusions about another person's intent faster than I should. I sense in this case that I have misjudged you. I regret this and ask your forgiveness. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Venezuela Oil Shipments to China Up Markedly, State Oil Firm Says
Gee, I wonder why it is that there's a feeling of complicity between other nations that might give cause to minor or major interuptions of oil flow to the US? Perhaps Castro et al have finally seized upon the one weapon that can bring the US Goliath at least down to its knees expeditiously. Probably has much to do with American administrations not ever having learned how to play well with others. Todd Swearingen http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGB1WGH9QCE.html Venezuela Oil Shipments to China Up Markedly, State Oil Firm Says The Associated Press Published: Aug 23, 2005 CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - Venezuelan oil shipments to China increased fivefold this year, surpassing 68,000 barrels a day on average, the state oil company Petroleos de Venezuela S.A. said Tuesday. The figure was released as officials announced Monday that the Venezuelan firm known as PDVSA had opened an office in China, the company's first in Asia. Last year, an average of 12,300 barrels of oil a day were shipped to China, meaning that exports surged more than fivefold on average in 2005, PDVSA said in a statement. Officials say Venezuela, the world's fifth largest oil exporter, plans to ship as much as 300,000 barrels of crude a day to China and other Asian countries in the coming years. This level of sales would require PDVSA to send out at least four large oil tankers with a capacity of roughly 2 million barrels every month, PDVSA said. Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has promoted a closer relationship with China, India and other Asian countries in an effort to secure new markets for oil. Currently, Venezuela's top buyer is the United States. Chavez has clashed repeatedly with U.S. officials, saying U.S. imperialism is a threat to the world and that new ways need to be found to move toward socialism and help the poor. PDVSA also recently opened an office in Cuba, a close Venezuelan ally. Officials have said the Havana office will coordinate PDVSA's oil business in the Caribbean region. The South American country, meanwhile, also plans to expand its fleet of oil tankers so it can sell more crude to Asia and other faraway markets. AP-ES-08-23-05 1037EDT ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO collector and restaurant threatened by rendering company
Frieda, Haulers have only three legitimate complaints with greasel owners and biodiesel brewers that approach a level of legality, at least relative to their involvement. 1) If a restauranteur has signed a contract with a hauler or renderer that stipulates that all fats and oils coming from that establishment during the contractual period belong to them, whether in the dumpster or not, they have a legitimate complaint and could approach the restaurant owner for breech of contract. Some contracts only state that the grease belongs to the hauler once it's in the dumpster/drum. 2) If a greasel owner or biodiesel brewer removes feedstock from a container that belongs to the hauler, the hauler has grounds to pursue a complaint of theft. If the amount of grease/oil removed can be proven, whether it be a single instance or over a series of events, and the value of the grease/oil meets or exceeds the dollar threshold for felony theft, the person who has removed the grease could be held liable in a criminal court. 3) A few states require that the hauler be licensed. If not, fines could be levied. As a general rule, haulers literally make bank on the expected volumes of grease/oil from each of its clients. If the expected/historical volume differs from the actual volume, they tend to get extremely pissy and play the part of the 800 pound gorilla, making threats of all manner, sometimes legitimate and sometimes not, in order to resecure their feedstock. It's best that every greasel owner, biodieseler and restauranteur know of the potential legal snags if they expect to keep their headache levels at zero. The easiest solution is for the homebrewer or greaseler to pre-arrange supplying the same type of container(s) at no charge to the restaurant when any existing contract is about to expire and service them regularly. The problem usually found with such a scenario is that while the intentions of the homebrewer may be good, their interest often wains, leaving the restaurant in a lurch. As well, many restaurants expect their haulers to take everything that gets dumped in the barrels, not just the cream off the top. Many places throw their Boil Out (lye and water run through the fryers to clean them) in with their grease. And many throw their end of day meats into the same drums/dumpsters. If a person is going to be looking for grease supplies, they need to be prepared to take the bad with the good and be capable of processing the bad along with the good. Otherwise they have the potential to become an environmental hazard that outstrips whatever environmental benefit they provide. There is, after all, an equal protection [prosecution] under the law clause to the US constitution. Todd Swearingen Frieda Feen wrote: Hello all, The rendering company (company that collects used restaurant fryer oil), issued angry verbal threats to the Mom and Pop burger joint that gives me their used fryer oil. The restaurant puts their used fryer oil into my buckets, and I schlep it away. The renderers told the restaurant that it was illegal for them to give me their used fryer oil. They demanded that the restaurant give them my name and phone number. The renderers said that it was illegal for people to use fryer oil, or any other non-petroleum product, for fuel without paying a fuel tax to the state and feds, and that the restaurant was responsible to see that that tax is paid since it is their oil that is being used as a fuel. They also said there is legislation about to go through the California senate that supports their allegations. Thoughts? Thanks, Frieda ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cindy Sheehan: Still Not Worth It
No, Casey's sacrifice was not worth it and George needs to do more than wave his flag and manipulate our sense of patriotism. He needs to march his girls to a recruitment center and send them to Iraq to fight the terrorists that his moronic and callous foreign policies have recruited or he needs to wake up and smell the apple pie and bring our other sons and daughters home, now! Ditto. Still Not Worth It by Cindy Sheehan http://www.lewrockwell.com/sheehan/sheehan10.html Last January, I was bumped from the Larry King Live show for an appearance by the soon to be proven innocent Michael Jackson. I was going to be on the program to answer the question: Did I feel my son's murder in Iraq was worth it after the free elections in the war torn country on January 30th. I wrote an article then called: Not Worth It. I never thought I would be invited back on as a guest after I pretty much burned the Larry King bridge with my article. However, to my astonishment, I was invited to be a guest on June 28th. I was asked to be on the broadcast in order to give my impressions and rebuttal to George's speech on Iraq that he delivered in front of the less than enthusiastic (what the White House spin doctors call: respectful) troops at Ft. Bragg, NC. I felt like I was in Bizarro World as I heard George speak about 9/11 five times and mention terrorism 31 times, even though these rationales for war have been disproved repeatedly. I think George thinks that since we believed him once about terrorism vis-à-vis Iraq, that we must therefore be gullible enough to believe him this time. I don't know, and I am not a professional pundit, but my theory is he might have mentioned 9/11 to manipulate our emotions and maybe even frighten us a little again? The thing that struck me when I was watching that vacuous man giving his hollow speech was the fact that he could have always replaced the word terrorists with the phrase: my moronic and callous foreign policies For example, when he said that terrorists spread death and destruction on the streets of Baghdad and kill innocent people, he could have just as easily said: My moronic and callous foreign policies spread death and destruction on the streets of Baghdad and kill innocent people. When he said that we need to stop terrorists from toppling governments in the region, he could have just as easily said: We need to stop my moronic and callous foreign policies from toppling governments in the region. People have characterized the speech-lite in many ways, but if I had to pick a few words to describe it, I would say: Hypocritical, manipulative, condescending, meaningless drivel. I sat through an entire hour in the CNN studio in DC hearing not one person say that the invasion was a mistake and if it was a mistake, then our troops should be brought home immediately. Even the Democratic Senators (Kerry and Bayh) on the program just gave their recipes for success in Iraq, which did not include any exit strategies. The guest host for that hour was Bob Costas and he asked one guest, Sen. John McCain, an intriguing question: If you could push Button One and have an eventual wonderful outcome in Iraq, or if you could push Button Two and never have had it happen, which one would you pick? Of course, Sen. McCain chose Button One. He hasn't had a loved one killed in this enormous tragedy of a war, nor does he have a loved one in harm's way. It has not affected him personally one bit. What skin is it off McCain's nose if our troops remain for a highly unlikely rosy outcome at the cost of thousands of more lives? I would push the button that would bring back my son, Casey, and the tens of thousands of other victims who have been killed for nothing but outright lies and bald-faced betrayals. I would push the button that would give Iraq back its power, water, and infrastructure. My absolute favorite guest of the evening was Sen. John Warner, powerful chair of the Senate Armed Disservices Committee. Of course, he fell in lockstep behind his Führer and praised the speech and how, although we have all paid a terrible price for this invasion and occupation, bringing freedom and democracy to the Iraqi people is worth all the sacrifices that the world is making. I sat in the Green Room with Sen. Warner's entourage. I wondered (even out loud) what price they have paid for our administration's misdeeds in Iraq. They all looked like happy, well-fed, well-dressed, well-educated, and well-hydrated Americans. They looked to me like they had plenty of electricity to blow-dry their hair and charge their cell phones and laptops. They looked like they had quite a nice supply of clean drinking water and fresh food. I sincerely doubt if any of them had a loved one ripped from their lives by a car bomb, IED, or bullet in an ambush. I wondered who the we was that John Warner spoke of. I spoke with John
Re: [Biofuel] Cindy Sheehan: Still Not Worth It
Appal Energy wrote: No, Casey's sacrifice was not worth it and George needs to do more than wave his flag and manipulate our sense of patriotism. He needs to march his girls to a recruitment center and send them to Iraq to fight the terrorists that his moronic and callous foreign policies have recruited or he needs to wake up and smell the apple pie and bring our other sons and daughters home, now! Ditto. I was getting my haircut in New Haven on Tuesday and walked past a Yalie watering hole Barbara is known to frequent. On a telephone pole out front, there were 2 photos of injured Iraq War vets. With the photos was a sign that read something to the effect of Is it in poor taste to ask why Barbara and Jenna haven't enlisted yet? jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO collector and restaurant threatened by rendering company
--- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The easiest solution is for the homebrewer or greaseler to pre-arrange supplying the same type of container(s) at no charge to the restaurant when any existing contract is about to expire and service them regularly. The problem usually found with such a scenario is that while the intentions of the homebrewer may be good, their interest often wains, leaving the restaurant in a lurch. The other problem being, of course, that you aren't already friends with the inspector who might get you in trouble, cuz you didn't take him out to dinner like the other one did. So they get the law passed and you don't :-) -K __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] too little..too late - increased fuel efficiency crumbs better than nothing?
too little, too late.. fuel efficiency crumbs better than nothing? Bush administration makes a meek attempt to address vehicle fuel efficiency, exempting Hummers! Bush Administration Sets New Fuel Standards http://www.alternate-energy.net/bush_new_efficiency05.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Removing water from WVO
Hi Emil Not me, but I do have 3 500ml samples of waste canola oil from a chip wagon. They have been sitting for about a week at room temperature with about 1 to 3 teaspoons of alum dropped in and stirred (not shaken or pumped) . The results look good but I have nothing to report. If anyone has tried this I would be interested in feedback. I have also been toying with the idea of using DE (diatomaceous earth) it is used for swimming pools and apparently as a vacuum filter it can filter down to .5 microns that is ½ micron. Wes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Manzo, Emil Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:45 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Removing water from WVO Greetings. Has anyone tried using an absorptive polymer to remove water from WVO? It is a cheap product that is used in sandy soils to increase water retention for plants. It is also used in products that remove water from the bottom of fuel tanks at gas stations. I think one brand is called water sock. The WVO could be pumped through a vessel containing the crystals as it was being filtered. The crystals expand with water and turn to jello then they can be dried out in the sun and reused. There is a similar product used in diapers but that is starch based and wouldnt work as well. If it works, we might save time and energy removing water. Am I making sense to anyone? Regards, Emil ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] South Carolina biodieselers ?
I'm just beginning to put together my processor and was wondering if anyone in South Carolina might be doing this. I would love to see an actual processor in action. It would also be nice to have some regional help on how and who to approach for their WVO. Thanks, Clif ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] DSE web site
Is DSE a believable site - has anyone had experience with them? My first thought is that anything seeming too good to be true usually is. http://www.dieselsecret/com/products.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cindy Sheehan: Still Not Worth It
John Hayes wrote: Appal Energy wrote: No, Casey's sacrifice was not worth it and George needs to do more than wave his flag and manipulate our sense of patriotism. He needs to march his girls to a recruitment center and send them to Iraq to fight the terrorists that his moronic and callous foreign policies have recruited or he needs to wake up and smell the apple pie and bring our other sons and daughters home, now! Ditto. I was getting my haircut in New Haven on Tuesday and walked past a Yalie watering hole Barbara is known to frequent. On a telephone pole out front, there were 2 photos of injured Iraq War vets. With the photos was a sign that read something to the effect of Is it in poor taste to ask why Barbara and Jenna haven't enlisted yet? jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ As a former Air Force officer I am want to weigh in on this ... but I'd rather ask where I can find a source for a cheap centrifugal pump and reasonable carboy containers ... A slightly cowed, Clif ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Avocado oil?
I see that avocado trees are one of the most productive per ha... but which part is used to calculate the oil yield? The pit/stone or the part you eat? Or both? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html -- -Sir Woody Hackswell ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Removing water from WVO
Emil I was thinking about something like that a few months ago but stayed away from it because I felt that this forum would have covered it already if it was worth doing. The minds here are great and that product is not new. I guess I will join you in venturing into that area. Thanks for getting my mental juices going again in that area.' Good Luck Roy"Manzo, Emil" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings. Has anyone tried using an absorptive polymer to remove water from WVO? It is a cheap product that is used in sandy soils to increase water retention for plants. It is also used in products that remove water from the bottom of fuel tanks at gas stations. I think one brand is called water sock. The WVO could be pumped through a vessel containing the crystals as it was being filtered. The crystals expand with water and turn to jello then they can be dried out in the sun and reused. There is a similar product used in diapers but that is starch based and wouldnt work as well. If it works, we might save time and energy removing water. Am I making sense to anyone? Regards, Emil Roy Washbish Certified Health Coach A HOME BUSINESS PRODUCTS THAT WORKPRODUCTS BUSINESSTRIVITA.COM/11393920 GREAT RETURN ON YOUR MONEY. SEE AD PROGRAM Visit mytrim.com/Roy Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] (no subject)
I'm pretty new here. Hello all: Question: 1. Is there a requirement to use a red gas can for biofuel (yellow for diesel)? 2. How does an apartment dweller create fuel in his or her small space? Scott - Original Message - From: Gary Shenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] (no subject) Hey Michael Would like some help also if you have the time. Any advice on the best way to get started? Thanks Gary From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] (no subject) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:37:21 -0400 Hi, I live in Seale, Alabama. I would be happy to work with you. I have been making biodiesel for almost 3 years now. I look forward to hearing from you. Cheers! Michael Lendzian CINS Network Support Team Columbus State University CINS/Center for Commerce Technology Room 105 706.569.3044 (help desk) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:22 pm Subject: [Biofuel] (no subject) I am looking for someone in Alabama, preferably Birmingham area that is making bio fuel that would be willing to show me the process and equipment used. I will also drive to TN, GA, MS, N-FL, if anyone is available. Thanks, Hunter ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Looking for someone in Phoenix AZ. (USA) area making Biodiesel
List, I wish to set-up a processor at my home for personal use making ~ 36 gals. a week. I am looking for someone in the Phoenix Arizona (USA) area who has been successfully making Biodiesel (preferably WVO) and is willing to let me see their set-up to talk about the construction / process dos and donts. I have read quite a bit in the Jtf archives and am learning more each day. (Thanks Keith!!!) I would like to see a system in person now to exchange ideas so I can start building mine with fewer construction and process errors. Thanks all, Ed Edward R. Hurley (Ed) TRES Engineering Team Intel Corporation CH5-165 5000 W. Chandler Blvd. Chandler, AZ. 85226-3699 (480)554-9980 wk / (602)591-7219 pgr. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Removing water from WVO
I ran some WVO into which I added a measured amout of water through a slow filter filled with silica beads and it worked pretty well removing the water. I haven't yet tried heating it to see if it pops but visually it looks like it worked. -Mike Manzo, Emil wrote: Greetings. Has anyone tried using an absorptive polymer to remove water from WVO? It is a cheap product that is used in sandy soils to increase water retention for plants. It is also used in products that remove water from the bottom of fuel tanks at gas stations. I think one brand is called “water sock”. The WVO could be pumped through a vessel containing the crystals as it was being filtered. The crystals expand with water and turn to “jello” then they can be dried out in the sun and reused. There is a similar product used in diapers but that is starch based and wouldn’t work as well. If it works, we might save time and energy removing water. Am I making sense to anyone? Regards, Emil ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What has the world come to
http://www.counterpunch.com/jacobs08252005.html August 24, 2005 Who Would Jesus Assassinate? Hugo Chavez and the Men Who Claim to Speak for Jesus By RON JACOBS You know, when I was growing up as a Catholic, I was given many differing views of Jesus Christ. Virtually all of them were speculative, of course, and as I grew older, I became aware that most of them were based on the teacher's particular political and cultural persuasion. The Pallotinian nuns that taught me in the first and second grades were always telling us horror stories about the communists in the Soviet Union and China and had us pray for the souls of their children every morning. The Jesuits I knew in high school provided me and my fellow catechism students with a different view of Jesus. Indeed, for most of these men Jesus was a revolutionary. How much of his revolution was spiritual and how much was social depended on their level of social and political involvement. Being a very political person, I saw Jesus as a revolutionary communist with a small c. Of course, there were a number of men with Roman collars at the time who were taking this perception and turning it into the basis for a social movement in many parts of the world, especially in Latin America. Many of them were Jesuits. It is this tradition that Hugo Chavez of Venezuela recalls in his speeches and social programs. It is also this tradition, known today as liberation theology that the late pope John Paul II attacked within months of his appointment in 1978. John Paul II's opposition to this perception of Jesus and his works were also part of the reason for the demotion of the Jesuit order as the pope's protectors and the ascension of the right wing Catholic organization Opus Dei into that role. The new pope is even less sympathetic to this train of thought. The underlying reason for this vehement opposition to liberation theology among the Catholic hierarchy stems from its alliances with nonreligious leftists and its attacks on the Church's role as part of the oppressive structure in the world of the peasantry. Nowhere is this role greater than it is in Latin America. Ever since Chavez began his popular upheaval in Venezuela he has been under attack by the Catholic hierarchy in that country. In fact, members of Opus Dei were involved in the failed coup of 2000 and have been instrumental in the CIA-funded opposition movement since the coup, just as they were intimately involved in the murderous CIA-sponsored coup in September 1973 in Chile. Last month, Bishop Baltazar Porras, president of the Venezuelan bishops' conference, said proponents of radical liberation theology are using it to weaken and divide the Church. This is part of a plan to debilitate the Church, Porras told The Associated Press in an interview last week. He cited a recent forum in which the Church was accused of turning her back on the poor, where Chavez garners most of his political support. This is a new program led by a group of theologians like the ones in the times of the Sandinista rule in Nicaragua with the same arguments, said Porras. The argument is fundamentally anti-Catholic, anti-hierarchy. (Catholic World New, 8/15/2005) It is quite interesting to note Porras equating being anti-hierarchy with being anti-Catholic. I wonder how the Jesus who threw the moneychangers out of the temple and challenged the Scribes and the Pharisees would feel about that equation. Now, in addition to having the Catholic hierarchy opposed to him, Mr. Chavez has incurred the wrath of some in the evangelical community. Given the generally political conservatism of much of this community, this is not surprising. What is surprising, however, is the vehemence of this wrath. Pat Robertson, former US presidential candidate and head of the multimillion-dollar Christian Broadcast Network, called for Chavez's assassination in a broadcast Monday night. Calling assassination a whole lot cheaper than starting a war Robertson went on to say that if Chavez were killed by US covert operatives he didn't think any oil shipments will stop. Of course, for those who keep their religion close to their heart or use it only when necessary to cynically convince the public of the rightness of their actions, the comments regarding oil must strike a chord. After all, that's the underlying reason for Washington's (and the old guard in Venezuela) opposition to Chavez in the first place. Not only does he using Venezuelan oil revenues to help the perennially poor in Venezuela, he is also selling it to Cuba at cut rates and making deals with China, much to the chagrin of Washington. Chavez and his supporters understand this. In addition, they also understand the Jesus who inspired Father Gutierrez and his liberation theology. That was the Jesus who said: It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Re: [Biofuel] DSE web site
Is DSE a believable site - has anyone had experience with them? My first thought is that anything seeming too good to be true usually is. http://www.dieselsecret/com/products.htm Bob, do you TYPE urls??? Oh well, no harm that it's broken. PLEASE DON'T FIX IT! We recently had this comment from someone joining the list: The ad for Diesel Secret Energy which came up through your web site I think should be shut down, it has all the earmarks of a scam. Diesel Secret Energy at Journey to Forever? No way! Not now, not ever! Which he then admitted, and apologised. Anyway, it does indeed have all the earmarks of a scam, not the first, certainly not the last. It's come up here before but it's so obviously a scam that very few people took any notice, we've seen so many! Hey, buddy, want a cheap quick fix? It's called biodiesel. Cheap enough, quick enough, you don't need it any cheaper and quicker than that. What do they often say about biodiesel? It sounds too good to be true... But it IS true. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Looking for someone in Phoenix AZ. (USA) area making Biodiesel
Hello Ed List, I wish to set-up a processor at my home for personal use making ~ 36 gals. a week. I am looking for someone in the Phoenix Arizona (USA) area who has been successfully making Biodiesel (preferably WVO) and is willing to let me see their set-up to talk about the construction / process do's and don'ts. I have read quite a bit in the Jtf archives and am learning more each day. (Thanks Keith!!!) You're welcome. But I think you're starting in the wrong place - better get to know the process first before bothering with the processor. Start here: Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start I would like to see a system in person now to exchange ideas so I can start building mine with fewer construction and process errors. You should find all you need to know here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html Biodiesel processors You don't really need someone to hold your hand. Best wishes Keith Thanks all, Ed Edward R. Hurley (Ed) TRES Engineering Team Intel Corporation CH5-165 5000 W. Chandler Blvd. Chandler, AZ. 85226-3699 (480)554-9980 wk / (602)591-7219 pgr. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Removing water from WVO
Have a look at what Dale says about it here: Removing the water http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#water Best wishes Keith Emil I was thinking about something like that a few months ago but stayed away from it because I felt that this forum would have covered it already if it was worth doing. The minds here are great and that product is not new. I guess I will join you in venturing into that area. Thanks for getting my mental juices going again in that area.' Good Luck Roy Manzo, Emil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings. Has anyone tried using an absorptive polymer to remove water from WVO? It is a cheap product that is used in sandy soils to increase water retention for plants. It is also used in products that remove water from the bottom of fuel tanks at gas stations. I think one brand is called water sock. The WVO could be pumped through a vessel containing the crystals as it was being filtered. The crystals expand with water and turn to jello then they can be dried out in the sun and reused. There is a similar product used in diapers but that is starch based and wouldnt work as well. If it works, we might save time and energy removing water. Am I making sense to anyone? Regards, Emil Roy Washbish ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Robertson / Chavez story on CNN
Hakan, not to bust your chops, but don't you think your remark was a little offensive? I mean apes are pretty smart and generally live in a fairly harmonious family unit. I think perhaps you were thinking weasel or ferret ;-) There's no call to go insulting apes like that... -Mike Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, Most of the really good Spanish Dr.s, get their education and especially practices in US. Some very popular specialities are mental and beauty treatments. Sweden is well known for replacement surgery, but they have not yet tried to replace human brains with the ones from apes, as far as I know. Maybe Robertson is an experiment, who knows? We would probably only heard about it, if it was regarded as successful. How can a representative of a religious fraction recommend assassination as a solution? Robertson is unbelievable stupid and I wonder who his God is and who are his followers? It is really amazing. Hakan At 01:53 24/08/2005, you wrote: I thought for sure I had seen Robertson being interviewed recently on FOX. If my memory serves me correctly, he had only been out of a facility for the mental challenged for 48 hours. In Madrid, yes that's where it was, Spain!!! But then, most of the Dr.'s in this particular hospital were from Denmark, or Sweden, or Norway, or...oh, who cares. Strange combination, and as we can all clearly see, not at all effective! Or.maybe he's just a nutcase. BTWnone of the above should, in any way, be taken literally. It is all a friendly jab at Hakan : ) To say it more clearly, everything written above is El Crapo. Man I hope that's not really spanish for something. : ( On 8/23/05, Hakan Falk mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What mental hospital let this Robertson out too early? Does US not have the money to treat their basket cases in proper facilities? Hakan At 13:26 23/08/2005, you wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/23/robertson.chavez/ ___ Biofuel mailing list mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Mike K AntiFossil MN, USA Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this invisible government, to befoul the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmen of today. President Theodore Roosevelt - 1906 Give me the money that has been spent in war and I will clothe every man, woman, and child in an attire of which kings and queens will be proud. I will build a schoolhouse in every valley over the whole earth. I will crown every hillside with a place of worship consecrated to peace: Charles Sumner Quotes from Information Clearing House ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Looking for feedback on Biodiesel system
There is a group - email me I'll fill you in. -Mike Cohen Andrew J Capt 11 WG/HC wrote: Continuing along that theme, I, too, am looking for people in the DC area to form a Bio Diesel manufacturing coop for sharing expenses and responsibilities. Any takers? Drew Cohen *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Hurley, Edward R *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:16 PM *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Subject:* [Biofuel] Looking for feedback on Biodiesel system List, I was exposed to Biodiesel just a few days ago and have been searching the internet since trying to learn what I could. I have found several homemade systems and a few commercially available systems. I was looking for open honest feedback on the systems available at this web site: http://www.biodieselsolutions.com/home/home.asp . The price is very high compared to the homemade systems, but the point asked is “would it work or is it a bad system.” We have 4 people in my neighborhood who all use diesel trucks to tow campers or horse trailers and we are very interested the systems available. I was voted the one to find out what I could about how to make it and the systems available. Thanks, Ed ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] How to make ehtanol, second try.......
Hello there! This is the second time I post this question, since nobody responded to the first time, please advice! I own a fairly big piece of land, in which I grow oranges, and a lot of themfall from the trees and rot on the ground.I have been told that making ethanol from those rotting oranges can be quitesimple.I can also have access to an almost unlimited supply of wood chips andsawdust from a nearby lumber yard, from which I read Methanol can beobtained, orthose can be turned on fireto run the furnaces to make the Ethanol, right? The main use I will have for either the Ethanolor the Methanol is to fuela small fleet of cars that I use for traveling back and forth to where theoranges are.The 4 cars combined consume about 50~60 gallons of fuel permonth, each. I have found in various places on the Web that Brazil has manyvehicles that come from the factory ready to use alcohol as the fuel, butnobody seems to have many details of the systems. I'm looking forwardfor any suggestions to learn how to produce my own fuel at reduced costs, in order to make my operation as self-sustainable as possible. Thank you in advance! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
