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Hello David, A reminder of what David Calvarese on TBBETA typed on: 28 February 2005 at 01:23:50 GMT +0100 DC Actually what we had talked about was a check box to completely disable DC or enable that button, for those that want to turn the remote download DC feature completely off. Two buttons? One button would be enough. A message comes through that you want the images for, click the button. Next message you don't want to see the images, don't click the button. I see no reason to have a another button that turns a button on and off, you may as well leave it as it is and double click the html attachment, it'll be less effort. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello David, A reminder of what David Calvarese on TBBETA typed on: 28 February 2005 at 01:29:25 GMT +0100 DC You using Imad's version of PGP 6.5.8 by any chance? No, it true blue Network Associates PGP that I've had since before the big change over in ownership. Complete with PGPdisk that I never use. In fact I very rarely use PGP at all, I MIME sign and I bought Steganos 7 that I use more than PGP. DC IMAP is really great if you need to access your mail on multiple DC computers. It's like having 'webmail' features through your email DC client. Multiple folders and everything stored on the remote server. OK, OK, don't rub it in, I'm envious enough :) Not too envious to use Thunderbird though! -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello The, A reminder of what The Final Cut on TBBETA typed on: 28 February 2005 at 05:06:07 GMT +0100 TFC Pocomail, incredimail, eurora, Express plus are all email TFC clients that their programmers don't code browsers TFC they all have great html supports too! Poco is full of bugs, I bought it. Incredimail is adware/spyware, I bought it. Express plus is very, very basic, I bought it. Eudora is well, same as Incredimail, adware... Not bought that, don't like constrained windows :) No doubt about it, The Bat! even without pictures is by far the best of the bunch. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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At 09:17 [GMT+] on Monday February 28 (actual time - 5:17pm on Monday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: DC Actually what we had talked about was a check box to completely disable DC or enable that button, for those that want to turn the remote download DC feature completely off. Two buttons? One button would be enough. It VERY clearly says 'check-box, not a button. As in something you set in preferences, so it will do what you want all the time. (If it matches the whitelist, or whatever. It's not like we haven't discussed this a little...) A message comes through that you want the images for, click the button. Next message you don't want to see the images, don't click the button. I see no reason to have a another button that turns a button on and off, you may as well leave it as it is and double click the html attachment, it'll be less effort. I think you've misinterpreted this entirely. (Or I have, I guess :-) -- cheers, mic This message was cruelly tested on small, furry animals. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Mic, A reminder of what Mic Cullen on TBBETA typed on: 28 February 2005 at 12:03:49 GMT +0100 MC It VERY clearly says 'check-box, not a button. As in something you set in MC preferences, so it will do what you want all the time. (If it matches the MC whitelist, or whatever. It's not like we haven't discussed this a little...) Still a silly idea, one button is enough, pointless having a checkbox to turn a button on and off. You don't have checkboxes to turn the toolbar icons on and off. I would however like a checkbox to turn the X on or off so that it minimises instead of completely closing down. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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At 11:46 [GMT+] on Monday February 28 (actual time - 7:46pm on Monday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: MC It VERY clearly says 'check-box, not a button. As in something you set in MC preferences, so it will do what you want all the time. (If it matches the MC whitelist, or whatever. It's not like we haven't discussed this a little...) Still a silly idea, one button is enough, pointless having a checkbox to turn a button on and off. You don't have checkboxes to turn the toolbar icons on and off. I would however like a checkbox to turn the X on or off so that it minimises instead of completely closing down. Well it's exactly the same thing. A checkbox to set a preference in a semipermanent way. Or have it removable from the toolbar - I'm sure nobody cares EXACTLY how it's implemented, and the effect is identical. I'd like the 'X' checkbox as well, but, of course, that's not how windows ran HISTORICALLY, so it's a pretty dangerous option, being able to alter things like that nowadays. :-) -- cheers, mic Every little bit helps. Every little quit hurts. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Mic, A reminder of what Mic Cullen on TBBETA typed on: 28 February 2005 at 12:55:09 GMT +0100 MC I'd like the 'X' checkbox as well, but, of course, that's not how windows ran MC HISTORICALLY, so it's a pretty dangerous option, being able to alter things like MC that nowadays. So html email is historically OK is it? I think all this is quite a long way off at the moment so lets wait see what occurs eh? -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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At 12:01 [GMT+] on Monday February 28 (actual time - 8:01pm on Monday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: MC I'd like the 'X' checkbox as well, but, of course, that's not how windows ran MC HISTORICALLY, so it's a pretty dangerous option, being able to alter things like MC that nowadays. So html email is historically OK is it? When you snip the smilie it changes the context immensely, as I'm sure you are well aware. I think all this is quite a long way off at the moment so lets wait see what occurs eh? Yep. -- cheers, mic In English pubs, ale is ordered by pints and quarts. So, in old England, when customers became unruly, the bartender would yell at them to mind their own pints and quarts and settle down. It's where we get the phrase,Mind your P's and Q's. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Mic, A reminder of what Mic Cullen on TBBETA typed on: 28 February 2005 at 14:00:56 GMT +0100 MC When you snip the smilie it changes the context immensely, as I'm sure you are MC well aware. Sorry, forgot you like pretty little pictures BIG SMILE HERE -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Tony Boom On Monday, February 28, 2005, at 4:31:12 AM You wrote: TB Poco is full of bugs, I bought it. TB Incredimail is adware/spyware, I bought it. TB Express plus is very, very basic, I bought it. TB Eudora is well, same as Incredimail, adware... Not bought that, don't like TB constrained windows :) TB No doubt about it, The Bat! even without pictures is by far the best of TB the bunch. I was just mentioning that not all email clients dont have browser associated with ;) - -- The Final Cut Thebat: 3.0.2.10 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1rc2 (MingW32) iD8DBQFCIxcgmZdOAsVmU04RAlzRAJ4pfno9b9SHrQ8DkGgJ0D2yVp/9/QCgkqMH MIRaUyQsp0WaZoUKOQ6jvT0= =/qKs -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Leif, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:18:58 -0700 GMT (28/02/2005, 00:18 +0700 GMT), Leif Gregory wrote: TF I thinnk most have left, because we don't even get replies to TF http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0001762 LG It's sad too. Just in the time that I wrote my tutorial for validation LG I've gotten quite a bit of e-mail about it. This isn't something LG people just want, it's something people really need. Just like we need LG wheelchair accessible ramps to businesses, we need applications people LG with disabilities can use. True. That's why I am repeating it here. TF You are saying that it will be technically difficult to implement TF correct HTML rendering, and I don't doubt it. LG Only in the sense that it will be a huge investment of time in which LG RITLabs will have to recode the HTML rendering and eventually LG generation engines to keep up with out of control, rapidly evolving LG standards (not to mention even conflicting ones). I also believe that the standards are rapidly evolving (and conflicting) because they are not there yet. Wait and see what will come out is one strategy, trying to stay on top is another. Keeping blind users out of the loop and waiting until the standards have settled may find them comfortable with another email client. TF However, Tony says it;'s wrong from a philosophical / political TF POV to introduce correct renedering to TB. I see a difference TF here. LG There is a difference, but I also happen to agree with Tony. He'd just LG beat that horse to death, so I decided on a different tact. I see. TF That's OK, it's your choice. TB lacking this and having to open TF the browser is certainly bad for marketing, though. You mentioned TF above that Ritlabs is a for-profit organisation. LG So is Opera, and they're doing well. They adhere to much stricter LG standards when rendering HTML which means there are a lot of webpages LG out there that don't render as the author intended it. It will be a business decision over at Ritlabs then. -- Cheers, Thomas. To really annoy people, stand on a street corner, pointing a hair drier at passing traffic, and watch it slow down. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Goncalo, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:12:40 + GMT (28/02/2005, 01:12 +0700 GMT), Goncalo Farias wrote: GF Why not integrate, as an option, the IE engine into the TB? You don't GF want to use it, fine, stick with internal render engine. People who GF don't mind do as they want to. The problem is, with TB you are *forced* to use IE for rendering HTML messages correctly (by double-clicking on the attachment icon), if IE is your default browser. Problem being, they still won't render correctly if some of the images are sent with the messages and others are not. I'd rather have everything under TB's control. LG IMAP is part of e-mail. HTML isn't. Poor argument. GF It's not? Then I must hallucinating because I receive loads of HTML GF emails. Same here. HTML is part of email *today*. It may not have been 5 or 10 years ago, but please wake up, people. GF It may not be official but it SURELY is part of email current usage. It's official, according to the RFCs. Somebody prove me wrong, please. -- Cheers, Thomas. Man: Hey baby, what's your sign? Woman: Do not enter. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Mary, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 06:55:09 -0600 GMT (27/02/2005, 19:55 +0700 GMT), Mary Bull wrote: MB I am just one old-lady user. But I think perhaps there are others with MB my needs using TB!, or out there as potential users, and it would be MB so simple to respect this need of mine by having the capability OFF by MB Default. The whole discussion is about an option that will be OFF by default anyway. Some people (like my suicidal self) want to turn it ON by choice, but there is no ON because of philosophical reasons. And that's all we are talking about: Should there be a (hidden?) ON switch? That's the only question. If they (the powers that be) decide to agree, it won't be implemented anytime soon anyway, because they first have to figure out the IMAP thingy. -- Cheers, Thomas. Warum hatte Bach so viele Kinder, Kant jedoch kein einziges? - Weil Bach sich auf die Kunst der Fuge verstand, waehrend Kant nur das Ding an sich betrachtet hat. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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The Final Cut wrote: Hello On Sunday, February 27, 2005, at 5:03:35 PM You wrote: The reason other players have good HTML support is that these other player also write browsers. They implement their browser into their e-mail product. Do I have anything against TB writing their own browser... Nope. Would I rather they spend the time making TB a better and more solid product for *e-mail*. Definitely. Pocomail, incredimail, eurora, Express plus are all email clients that their programmers don't code browsers they all have great html supports too! Incredimail at least DOES call the IE engine.. I don't believe Poco does though. Not really sure about the other two. Anyway, we were asked to drop the topic, so I think we should, or at least move to TBot. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Leif, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:52:18 -0700 GMT (27/02/2005, 23:52 +0700 GMT), Leif Gregory wrote: LG You've never heard of governors? They're on nearly every US military LG vehicle. And many high performance vehicles have them in case you loan LG your car to your kid. You put a key in, and enable the governor. *I am not a kid*. I want to be able to take out that governor. LG So let's look at it for people who are incapable of being a safe LG driver. They lose their license, they are put in jail, they are LG required to have interlock devices installed in their vehicles (drunk LG driving). Sure. What does that have to do with me? LG If people like us don't show objective reasoning as to why something LG isn't a good idea, then it's all going to become garbage. Good effort to keep TB in the nineties. GF Make an easy mode for 'rookie' users and a Power mode for power GF users. LG Yeah right. The first time a user has to turn on advanced mode just LG so they can see images in HTML messages, they'll have it enabled and LG then god knows what else they'll turn on. Thanks, dear nanny, from protecting me from myself. GF You don't really convince me that you hate that. In fact, you seem GF to like it alot. LG What because I don't want HTML in my e-mail. If that's all you're LG basing it off of, then you're right. I don't hate that TB doesn't LG support HTML fully. I don't hate TB either. But HTML email (wioth embedded tables or jpg's, for example) is a fact of life, and makes communication easier. LG For tech savvy users this is fine. I worked for AOL for a while in DSL LG tech support. I'm not going to say all AOL users are boneheads, but as LG a techy, AOL people scare the living daylights out of me! AOL is your benchmark? -- Cheers, Thomas. If work is so terrific, how come they have to pay you to do it? Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Tony Boom wrote: Hello David, A reminder of what David Calvarese on TBBETA typed on: 28 February 2005 at 01:23:50 GMT +0100 DC Actually what we had talked about was a check box to completely disable DC or enable that button, for those that want to turn the remote download DC feature completely off. Two buttons? One button would be enough. A message comes through that you want the images for, click the button. Next message you don't want to see the images, don't click the button. I see no reason to have a another button that turns a button on and off, you may as well leave it as it is and double click the html attachment, it'll be less effort. No, not a second button. A check box in your global prefs (or maybe even one on the account level) that totally disables the feature. For when kids are using TB! and may not show proper judgement in viewing remote images. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Tony Boom wrote: DC IMAP is really great if you need to access your mail on multiple DC computers. It's like having 'webmail' features through your email DC client. Multiple folders and everything stored on the remote server. OK, OK, don't rub it in, I'm envious enough :) Not too envious to use Thunderbird though! I use Fastmail for IMAP... They do IMAP Webmail. Best of both worlds. (They also do POP at the higher account levels). -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Thomas! On Monday, February 28, 2005, 8:08 AM, you wrote: MB I am just one old-lady user. But I think perhaps there are others with MB my needs using TB!, or out there as potential users, and it would be MB so simple to respect this need of mine by having the capability OFF by MB Default. The whole discussion is about an option that will be OFF by default anyway. ... Some people don't want it OFF by Default (as in, the capability is not there, by Default unless the User chooses to Configure the capability through either a check-box in Preferences or a choice at Installation.) Tony, for example--unless I have misread him--wants it ON (the capability) with no choice to disable, and a button appearing in the Headers with which to choose at each message whether to Display or not. I can just see myself accidentally clicking on such a button and here comes my sister Sue's latest worm--I am dead serious here, Thomas, and not speaking ironically. Mic came to my defense and tried to explain it to Tony, but Tony rejected the idea even after Mic explained it. So, please, don't you misunderstand, also, Thomas. I am not quite as disabled as a blind person, but I am truly afflicted with a left-right orientation disability, part of the perceptual-motor configuration of my brain--sometimes referred to by the misnomer dyslexia. I don't want any functioning HTML buttons on my toolbar or in the headers. I want you, Thomas, and all those who have a need like yours, to have the HTML capability for use in business and otherwise, as soon as possible after IMAP has been made fully functional. Tony wants that too. But he wants to leave me at risk, with a button I could accidentally click on. Some people (like my suicidal self) want to turn it ON by choice, but there is no ON because of philosophical reasons. And that's all we are talking about: Should there be a (hidden?) ON switch? That's the only question. I want you to be able to turn it ON (as in, Configure the Capability) in Preferences (a one-time choice and not with every message as Tony seems to envision) or else as a Configuration choice at Installation (the situation now with TB! Pro's on-the-fly-encryption.) If they (the powers that be) decide to agree, it won't be implemented anytime soon anyway, because they first have to figure out the IMAP thingy. My fervent prayer is that this--Fix Bugs in Deep Alpha/Make IMAP fully functional/Make HTML suit the needs of those asking for it--will be the order of business!! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Mary, On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:43:52 -0600 GMT (28/02/2005, 21:43 +0700 GMT), Mary Bull wrote: The whole discussion is about an option that will be OFF by default anyway. ... MB Some people don't want it OFF by Default Well, I do. I just want the option to turn it on for manually whitelisted sender addresses. MB Tony, for example--unless I have misread him--wants it ON (the MB capability) with no choice to disable, I understood him differently, but he will speak for himself. MB I can just see myself accidentally clicking on such a button and here MB comes my sister Sue's latest worm--I am dead serious here, Thomas, and MB not speaking ironically. I see you, and the option would be somewhere under Options/Preferences/SomethingObscure, and I promise you will have trouble even finding and enabling it. ;-) Hint: It will be called Allow Sue's latest worm. But if you do enable it, I won't let you off the hook! MB I don't want any functioning HTML buttons on my toolbar or in the MB headers. No toolbar buttons, if I have any say in it. MB I want you, Thomas, and all those who have a need like yours, to have MB the HTML capability for use in business and otherwise, as soon as MB possible after IMAP has been made fully functional. Thanks. MB Tony wants that too. But he wants to leave me at risk, with a button I MB could accidentally click on. I don't think so, but Tony is old enough to speak for himself. MB I want you to be able to turn it ON (as in, Configure the Capability) MB in Preferences (a one-time choice Yep. But per sender-address, not generally. That's the meaning of whitelisting, as in the subject line. -- Cheers, Thomas. My goal is to be a meterologist. But since I possess no training in meteorology, I suppose I should try stock brokerage. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Thomas! On Monday, February 28, 2005, 9:05 AM, you wrote: The whole discussion is about an option that will be OFF by default anyway. ... MB Some people don't want it OFF by Default Well, I do. I just want the option to turn it on for manually whitelisted sender addresses. I know. I was just explaining why OFF by Default still needed discussing. MB Tony, for example--unless I have misread him--wants it ON (the MB capability) with no choice to disable, I understood him differently, but he will speak for himself. mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] === MC It VERY clearly says 'check-box, not a button. As in something you set in MC preferences, so it will do what you want all the time. (If it matches the MC whitelist, or whatever. It's not like we haven't discussed this a little...) Tony: Still a silly idea, one button is enough, pointless having a checkbox to turn a button on and off. You don't have checkboxes to turn the toolbar icons on and off. === And before that: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] === DC Actually what we had talked about was a check box to completely disable DC or enable that button, for those that want to turn the remote download DC feature completely off. Two buttons? One button would be enough. A message comes through that you want the images for, click the button. Next message you don't want to see the images, don't click the button. I see no reason to have a another button that turns a button on and off, you may as well leave it as it is and double click the html attachment, it'll be less effort. = And before that: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] === How about a button on the header pane that works on a per message basis. It only appears if the message is html and requires images to be downloaded. You click it, the pretty pictures appear and then it defaults to off for the next message? === MB I can just see myself accidentally clicking on such a button and here MB comes my sister Sue's latest worm--I am dead serious here, Thomas, and MB not speaking ironically. I see you, and the option would be somewhere under Options/Preferences/SomethingObscure, and I promise you will have trouble even finding and enabling it. ;-) Thank you. I appreciate the strong support. ;) Hint: It will be called Allow Sue's latest worm. But if you do enable it, I won't let you off the hook! LOL MB I don't want any functioning HTML buttons on my toolbar or in the MB headers. No toolbar buttons, if I have any say in it. Or buttons in the Message Header Pane? (Aside from the PGP/Mime button?) MB I want you, Thomas, and all those who have a need like yours, to have MB the HTML capability for use in business and otherwise, as soon as MB possible after IMAP has been made fully functional. Thanks. MB Tony wants that too. ... mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] == DC I don't think any of us said it had to be 'right now' And as I've said DC before, I agree that bug fixes should come first. I know, and you are right, html should be available for those that want it. === MB But he wants to leave me at risk, with a button I MB could accidentally click on. mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] === How about a button on the header pane that works on a per message basis. It only appears if the message is html and requires images to be downloaded. You click it, the pretty pictures appear and then it defaults to off for the next message? === I don't think so, but Tony is old enough to speak for himself. Well, he proposed the button on the header pane as an alternative to an On/Off check-box in preferences. Then he said he saw no need for the On/Off check-box in preferences if his proposed On/Off per message appeared in the View Folder-Message Header Pane. And called the idea of the Configuration On/Off choice silly. I realize he isn't saying leave Mary [per se] at risk but it comes to the same thing. MB I want you to be able to turn it ON (as in, Configure the Capability) MB in Preferences (a one-time choice Yep. But per sender-address, not generally. That's the meaning of whitelisting, as in the subject line. I know. That's the point at which your proposal and Tony's proposed substitute diverge. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600
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Hello Goncalo, On Sunday, February 27, 2005 you wrote: Why not integrate, as an option, the IE engine into the TB? You don't want to use it, fine, stick with internal render engine. People who don't mind do as they want to. No. This would be a security flaw, and would influence not only the ones that turn the option on, but also the others. Besides IE's engine is quite old and relatively poor. Ritlabs used to use an external HTML viewing engine and dropped it. I'm not sure if they would be in favour of using another 3rd party software for that. If they did, however, I'm quite sure this should rather be Gecko -- since Presto is not embedable (I made this word up, sorry ;D). -- / Krzysztof Trybowski pgp 0xE0F7733B /--/ To get my pgp key, put / / www.trybik.jest.okey.pl GG 1458144 /--/ send_key in subject. /_ :Krzysztof_Trybowski: Using The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Leif, A reminder of what Leif Gregory on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 02:10:08 GMT +0100 LG Happy Tony? Now you drug me into this! I've bowed out of it as gracefully as I could now. No one came up with any new convincing reasons for html so it got boring. Anyway, I didn't have to drug you to get you to make a comment, your own conscience done that for me :) -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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At 11:03 [GMT-0500] on Friday February 25 (actual time - 12:03am on Saturday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: A 1600x1200 picture reduced to 320x240 for viewing in a newsletter will look worse than the same picture taken at 640x480. Why waste the resources for an inferior product? If you have even a vague clue as to what you are doing, that statement is utterly false. -- cheers, mic There are painters who transform the sun to a yellow spot, but there are others who with the help of their art and their intelligence, transform a yellow spot into the sun. Pablo Picasso Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Greg, If development would not have ceased I would still be using VA today. :-) Because of the VA situation I moved on to TB for email, and use Agent for newsgroups. Why don't you use TB for newsgroups also? Works beautifully with MyGate. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi Paul, On 27/2/2005 6:21 AM, you wrote: Very well said! Yeah. A good technical argument rather than all the other philosophical and hyped ones that I had seen until then. OTOH, one wonders, why implement anything at all then if we look at it in that depressingly unsurmountable all-or-none fashion. The original request was about retrieving images on a per message basis with the ability to configure such behaviour. Now it has gone into TB! being able to render and display everything a browser can, now, and for the future. I certainly consider both different. I don't care much for image retrieval personally. I'd sure wish IMAP to work first before such things are implemented. If it is, and is configurable, I'd be indifferent. I doubt it will be though. At least not for the foreseeable future. Most clients with very good HTML mail displaying capabilities either use the IE rendering engine or are part of an established browser, i.e., Operamail or Mozilla/ThunderBird. -- _ _ _ __ __ __ _| | (_)___ | \/ | / _` | | | / -_) | |\/| | \__,_|_|_|_\___|_|_| |_| |___| -=-=- Some nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello NetVicious! On Sunday, February 27, 2005, 2:55 AM, you wrote: That would be fine with me. Even just a checkbox in the prefs to enable/disable the button's fuctionality and include/remove it from the toolbar would be fine with me. In fact, it's a very good idea to make it inactive completely unless someone wants to make it active. What about a messagebox with a confirmation as TB does now when trying to open an attachment? The quoted text to which you are replying was in reply to my comment that I wished (felt I needed) to be able to have the functionality completely disabled. If a warning box is all that I get, the situation would be an unwieldy one for me. And for those who have been most clear (at least two or three people posting to this thread) that the current work-around to graphic image display is too slow for them, the warning box would function as an extra slow-down. If, and when, this capability is implemented by the developers, I hope it will be disabled by Default and the User will first have to enable it before the capability (button or menu or shortcut or whatever) becomes active. This is so that I can protect myself from inadvertently putting a graphics image into a message-text bodyin the View Folder window. I am just one old-lady user. But I think perhaps there are others with my needs using TB!, or out there as potential users, and it would be so simple to respect this need of mine by having the capability OFF by Default. I have, in the past, actually been distracted and clicked Send, on the warning box that comes before a message is Sent, without intending to. At a computer screen, even the best of us make mistakes, I think. I'd like for the individual user to be able to choose, in regard to this particular functionality, the amount of risk for mistakes that the user is comfortable with. Note, however, that I do not object to others accepting more risk than I do. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Paul! On Sunday, February 27, 2005, 7:26 AM, you wrote: MB Note, however, that I do not object to others accepting more risk than MB I do. :) Agreed. Gee-whiz functionality at the expense of privacy and security is too high of a price for me to pay. I do object to others taking risks if doing so has an impact on others. Irresponsibility begins as soon we allow our actions to negatively affect someone else. Thank you for expanding my thought. I agree completely with your last sentence. This all comes down to looking out for our neighbors as well as ourselves. Here, as in so many parts of our lives, it's a judgment call on the priorities. Sometimes compromises are necessary, when not negatively affecting one neighbor will result in negatively affecting another. I like the words of the old Hypocratic oath: First, do no harm. One can at least strive for that. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi Allie, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 07:07:44 [GMT -0500] (which was 5:07 AM where I live) you wrote: A Yeah. A good technical argument rather than all the other A philosophical and hyped ones that I had seen until then. Well, philosophically, I don't want it either! grin A OTOH, one wonders, why implement anything at all then if we look at A it in that depressingly unsurmountable all-or-none fashion. If it's an e-mail function, then go for it. I'd just much rather have RITLabs sink 200 hours into IMAP rather than HTML functionality. IMAP belongs to e-mail, HTML doesn't. A The original request was about retrieving images on a per message A basis with the ability to configure such behaviour. Now it has gone A into TB! being able to render and display everything a browser can, A now, and for the future. It would have gone there anyway. First getting images displayed, and then getting HTML e-mail to display the way the author intended it (we've already seen those requests), and then we can't just have half the equation, people will want the ability to generate HTML e-mail (they already can to a certain degree), and if we do that, not only does TB have to be able to display HTML according to standards, but it's got to be able to write it too. Look at all the WYSIWYG editors that already exist that are solely for the purpose of HTML editing. If they can't get it right, how is RITLabs going to get it right without dedicating ungodly hours to it. Hours which could be spent on IMAP, plugin API etc. I remember saying ages ago, that I would like to see the plugin API really fleshed out, and then people could write an HTML plugin if they wanted. A Most clients with very good HTML mail displaying capabilities A either use the IE rendering engine or are part of an established A browser, i.e., Operamail or Mozilla/ThunderBird. Exactly Tie in to the crippled and immensely vulnerable IE which to RITLabs everlasting credit, did *not* do. Or write their own. They wrote their own, and that means if they are going to do it right in TB, then there will be a BatWeb browser product on the market soon enough. I don't need another browser. There's a whole boatload of them to choose from. What I want is a really good e-mail program that isn't interested in trying to be the alpha and the omega! -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: Latest survey shows that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the world's population. Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Tony, On Saturday, February 26, 2005 you wrote: 3 months time, The Bat has the best html engine of any email client available... Still no working flawless IMAP ability but great comic book features. Hands up all those who are going to be jumping for joy and hands up all those are *still* going to be using Thunderbird? You know this is not gonna happen. Why don't you just try to look at the case in a sensible way, and not exaggerate it in all possible directions? Nobody wrote they wanted RIT to drop everything (especially IMAP, but you could place anything instead) and focus on a browser engine better than Gecko (would take more than 3 months anyway). This topic is not about HTML support, but about external images downloading. Except it is linked with HTML it has nothing to it. It's more about http. External images downloading is NOT about comic book. With as much right I could say, that your IMAP support is just for you to play after work, and as such doesn't require much attention nor priority. Technical tools are just that -- tools. You can use them in different ways. The same applies to external images downloading -- it can be useful in everyday _*WORK*_. And Ritlabs said many times, that different people work on different areas. I wouldn't be afraid that everything else would get dumped. Of course *some* resources would have to be spent on the feature discussed, but I believe that only to a sensible extent, and it would benefit many users. After all there *is* a reason why this discussion comes back again and again. Regards, -- / Krzysztof Trybowski pgp 0xE0F7733B /--/ To get my pgp key, put / / www.trybik.jest.okey.pl GG 1458144 /--/ send_key in subject. /_ :Krzysztof_Trybowski: Using The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 build 2600. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi Greg, On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, at 22:09:57 [GMT -0600] (which was 9:09 PM where I live) you wrote: GS This thread is really about opinions. Everyone has one. :-) Hey, you forgot to type out the rest of that saying! grin GS This is a very important point which should not be lost in the GS debate about opinions. I don't think anyone has. RITLabs thrust was and still is (see how they market it on their page) a secure product, immune to viruses, protected, a safe alternative etc. If RITLabs decided to abandon that marketing platform, then they need to get rid of those types of bullets and throw out ones like, a secure product, well, only if you know what you're doing and you don't enable any features that we send to your disabled etc.. XHTML, WCAG, CSS, Section 508 are moving targets. GS Isn't most of the software / IT market a moving target? :-) To a certain extent. How long has RFC-822/2822 been around. How much has it changed? The answer... *forever* (in computer years), and almost none. XHTML just published 1.0 a cpl years back, then XHTML 1.1 really recently, and now 2.0 is nearly done. I've been in IT for a long time, and that's one of the first standards I've seen evolve that quickly. WCAG and Section 508 are heavily driven by XHTML and they also have a heavy influence in where XHTML is going. Those in turn are going to be driving how the HTML standard, currently v4, will evolve. It's a huge nasty bowl of spaghetti. RITLabs, IMHO, needs to stick with the meaty bowl of Ravioli. GS Don't you really want your email client to be just text based? GS What about the users who want HTML in their email? Absolutely! I'm not trying to be difficult or facetious. If I want to view an HTML message, I double click it to view it in a browser. There's no ambiguity about a link pretending to be from my bank but actually going to Mr. Hackers neighborhood. GS Being a user of technology both professionally and personally for GS many years the ONLY one sure guarantee in the technology market is GS CHANGE. Businesses in this market need to CHANGE with the market. Not all change is good. Is TB to have a September that never ends? -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: A .GIF is worth a thousand .TXT's. Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi MAU, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 12:14:17 [GMT +0100] (which was 4:14 AM where I live) you wrote: M Why don't you use TB for newsgroups also? Works beautifully with M MyGate. And see! That's a plugin. I'd completely bow out of the HTML resistance movement if HTML support was done completely by plugin. -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: A 1200 baud brain attached to a 28800 baud mouth. Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi Goncalo, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 14:07:07 [GMT +] (which was 7:07 AM where I live) you wrote: GF If it's something you can switch on or off then you're in no more GF danger than being alive. GF I'm sure you manage to get a better justification! Let's expound a bit on this though Goncalo. Why exactly is it that IE is so vulnerable in so many ways? It's because IE, like many other Microsoft products, tries to do it all. Well, that's only part of the reason, they try to integrate so much cross application functionality is a better answer. They did this because users wanted this and users wanted that. They did it because Microsoft wanted a bigger market share. They wanted to dominate. They wanted to be able to do it all. But they screwed up. Users began to realize that functionality at the cost of security wasn't acceptable. Microsoft won the browser war, but it was a short lived win. What good are the spoils of war if they really are spoiled and tainted. Now granted. IE made their primary mistake because everything was on by default. But my point is that Microsoft gave the users what they wanted without ever trying to tell them why it was risky. The internet used to be a wonderful place, now you have to check, double-check and triple check just about everything you do. Popups were a great idea at first. A nice way to display information without disrupting the flow of the visitors browsing of their main site. Now we have a whole box of bandaids to prevent popups. What I'm getting at is that the populace in general needs people like Tony and Paul and myself to try and keep the sanity. Most people on this list are more tech savvy than the rest of the population, and for every user we have here on the list, we have 20 that aren't. People who won't know why enabling the download of images can be a Bad Thing (tm), or why clicking the Go to our website to validate your bank account links almost never take you to your bank, or why Nigerian scams are just that, scams. People are *still* getting sucked into those scams. How long have those been around? Forever. But they still get people. People talk about applications nannying them. I agree, for us, the people in the know, hate it. I hate it. But you tell me a viable way to protect those not in the know and I'll go along with it. A whitelist? It isn't going to work... How do I know this? I can't tell you how many software firewalls I've installed for people. Literally, close to a hundred would be my guess. I do it for every friend/family member/co-worker that I can. I even try to explain when you should and shouldn't allow something. It doesn't work. They eventually just start clicking yes to anything and everything, and they're no more protected than they were before I installed the firewall. Take PCWSmileys and Rogues. We (9val and I) worked out a system to have trusted servers with which TB could automatically download images from. The same thing we're talking about doing for HTML images. Yet, we decided to drop it because there was no way to make it foolproof. Even if we were able to convince users to only include the PCWize server, you all had to rely on my security knowledge and expertise to ensure my server wasn't compromised. That's a lot of faith to put in me. I'm good at it, but I'm not perfect. Somebody, someday will crack my server. It hasn't happened in the three years it's been on-line, but it will one day. I don't hope for it, but I expect it. People in general do need to be protected from themselves. It makes it rough on those of us in the know, but if it means my mom and dad are protected I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of so-called functionality to do that. -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: When you go into court you are putting yourself in the hands of 12 people that weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty. Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi Goncalo, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 15:51:37 [GMT +] (which was 8:51 AM where I live) you wrote: GF I disagree. It's vulnerable because MS was unable to anticipate GF the misuse of the technology they were providing. Now they made it GF more secure (not perfectly secure) without cutting down the GF functionality that people had. Sure they did. MS hosts a page listing hundreds of applications they broke by trying to fix their mistakes. GF Power comes at a cost. It's not acceptable to have limits because GF some people just don't know any better. The car makers don't put GF speed limits in their cars because they might be bought by some GF lame driver that may kill himself. You've never heard of governors? They're on nearly every US military vehicle. And many high performance vehicles have them in case you loan your car to your kid. You put a key in, and enable the governor. So let's look at it for people who are incapable of being a safe driver. They lose their license, they are put in jail, they are required to have interlock devices installed in their vehicles (drunk driving). ISPs already shut down spammer accounts or accounts of people doing things illegally. Are you ready to have your ISP shut down your account because you enabled some functionality without fully understanding the ramifications? There's already legislation in the works to make users financially responsible for damages caused by their lack of security awareness. There are even companies that have successfully sued other companies that caused damages to their networks due to poor security. If you don't mind shelling out the big buck for something that could have simply been mitigated by not opening the door in the first place, then go for Outlook. Friends love friends who send them viruses and spam. GF MS didn't realize how their technology could be misused... And RITLabs is going to be able to foresee the future any better than they? MS has boatloads of money, resources and analysts. Is RITLabs going to be able to afford that and do a better job? LG What I'm getting at is that the populace in general needs people LG like Tony and Paul and myself to try and keep the sanity. Most GF Plase... Please yourself. Join some groups on XHTML right now. You'll see many, many people like Tony, Paul, and myself trying to get W3C to stop the madness. Unfortunately in this day and age, silence implies consent. If people like us don't show objective reasoning as to why something isn't a good idea, then it's all going to become garbage. GF Make an easy mode for 'rookie' users and a Power mode for power GF users. Yeah right. The first time a user has to turn on advanced mode just so they can see images in HTML messages, they'll have it enabled and then god knows what else they'll turn on. GF You don't really convince me that you hate that. In fact, you seem GF to like it alot. What because I don't want HTML in my e-mail. If that's all you're basing it off of, then you're right. I don't hate that TB doesn't support HTML fully. GF I like to be able to do everything and then choose what I don't GF want to do just because I want to not because I can't. For tech savvy users this is fine. I worked for AOL for a while in DSL tech support. I'm not going to say all AOL users are boneheads, but as a techy, AOL people scare the living daylights out of me! GF I disagree. That sort of speak is good for the big brother GF watching you. Yeah, preventing images in HTML mail means RITLabs is watching you. Makes a lot of sense. You win.. and I quote.. Plase... -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: A bottle in front of me's better than a frontal lobotomy Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Leif, And see! That's a plugin. I'd completely bow out of the HTML resistance movement if HTML support was done completely by plugin. MyGate is not even a plugin, it's just a gateway. And as for HTML, I will not enter into the discussion. If I receive an HTML e-mail and I want to see it, I can see it with a double click just like for any attachment. So, no big problem for me. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi Goncalo, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 14:15:19 [GMT +] (which was 7:15 AM where I live) you wrote: GF It's part of the new era. RITLabs surely won't straighten up the GF usage of email, they must go along with the major players and the GF major players do have GOOD HTML support. So if your friend jumps off a bridge, you're going to do it too? Remember Opera? They refused to improperly render HTML pages due to sloppy markup. They caught flack over it for sure, but they stuck to their guns. They're still very popular. The reason other players have good HTML support is that these other player also write browsers. They implement their browser into their e-mail product. Do I have anything against TB writing their own browser... Nope. Would I rather they spend the time making TB a better and more solid product for *e-mail*. Definitely. GF If I had the same attitude that a few other showed up I would say GF something like I don't use IMAP, I don't care if it has bugs or GF not I rather have HTML rendered correctly but I find both things GF important. IMAP is part of e-mail. HTML isn't. Poor argument. -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: A BIG ROCKmeA HARD PLACE Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi Goncalo, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 17:01:39 [GMT +] (which was 10:01 AM where I live) you wrote: GF I really don't care about other users, I care about my needs and GF if I can accomplish them with the software I'm using. Exactly the poor attitude Tony, Paul and I are trying to curtail. The completely selfish, me first attitude. Let the rest of the world suffer as long as I get what I want. Cookidence... -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: deja moo, the feeling that you've heard this bull before. Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello MAU, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:14:17 +0100 GMT(2/27/2005, 5:14 AM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MAU wrote: Because of the VA situation I moved on to TB for email, and use Agent for newsgroups. Why don't you use TB for newsgroups also? Works beautifully with MyGate. Probably not a good reason, but I owned Agent before I knew of MyGate and I got used to it. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Leif, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 10:03:03 -0700 GMT(2/27/2005, 11:03 AM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Leif Gregory wrote: Cookidence... -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: deja moo, the feeling that you've heard this bull before. ROFLMAO!!! -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi Thomas, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 10:52:59 [GMT +0700] (which was 8:52 PM where I live) you wrote: TF I thinnk most have left, because we don't even get replies to TF http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0001762 It's sad too. Just in the time that I wrote my tutorial for validation I've gotten quite a bit of e-mail about it. This isn't something people just want, it's something people really need. Just like we need wheelchair accessible ramps to businesses, we need applications people with disabilities can use. TF You are saying that it will be technically difficult to implement TF correct HTML rendering, and I don't doubt it. Only in the sense that it will be a huge investment of time in which RITLabs will have to recode the HTML rendering and eventually generation engines to keep up with out of control, rapidly evolving standards (not to mention even conflicting ones). TF However, Tony says it;'s wrong from a philosophical / political TF POV to introduce correct renedering to TB. I see a difference TF here. There is a difference, but I also happen to agree with Tony. He'd just beat that horse to death, so I decided on a different tact. TF That's OK, it's your choice. TB lacking this and having to open TF the browser is certainly bad for marketing, though. You mentioned TF above that Ritlabs is a for-profit organisation. So is Opera, and they're doing well. They adhere to much stricter standards when rendering HTML which means there are a lot of webpages out there that don't render as the author intended it. -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: He's not stupid; he's possessed by a retarded ghost. Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Leif, A reminder of what Leif Gregory on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 18:13:24 GMT +0100 LG Exactly the poor attitude Tony, Paul and I are trying to curtail Also the reason I bowed out of the discussion. I want a bug free Bat before they make any new additions, they want html right now and Sod everyone else. The way I see it there will be this version I'm using now without it and a new version with it. If I choose I want to continue using this version without it will RITLABS continue to support this version and fix all the existing bugs? I don't think so! All the current bugs will be carried over to the new version and those that don't want total html support will be left with a half finished, bug ridden non supported old version. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Goncalo Farias wrote: It's really easy then. They could provide us users a way to choose between the HTML internal engine or the IE engine. That way, everyone would be happy! :) Err, Wouldn't using the IE Engine be a big security hole? Gecko (From Firefox/Mozilla) would be a better idea. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Tony Boom On Sunday, February 27, 2005, at 1:04:51 PM You wrote: TB Also the reason I bowed out of the discussion. I want a bug free Bat TB before they make any new additions, they want html right now and Sod TB everyone else. Didnt you say earlier in the threat that this feature has been requested for around 4 years? - -- The Final Cut Thebat: 3.0.2.10 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1rc2 (MingW32) iD8DBQFCIhBfmZdOAsVmU04RAgmMAJ9y8PUQnn3feBsr4F0rNxnfp9vyYwCdG+qG St3dbdW1t2+uNOiWZQ8VTO0= =n0u/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi Goncalo, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 18:16:42 [GMT +] (which was 11:16 AM where I live) you wrote: GF Isn't it exactly the same attitude you're exhibiting? Did anyone GF mandate you to define what is allowable or not in email usage? GF What feature can or cannot be included? What alternatives to GF current features can be implemented or not? You're confusing someone who actually cares about TB being a truly good product, and someone who wants TB to be another lemming application who follows bad practices just because everyone else is doing it. Do me a favor. If you aren't going to be part of the solution, at least don't be part of the problem. -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: A .GIF is worth a thousand .TXT's. Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi David, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 13:15:41 [GMT -0500] (which was 11:15 AM where I live) you wrote: DC Err, Wouldn't using the IE Engine be a big security hole? Gecko DC (From Firefox/Mozilla) would be a better idea. Immensely accurate observation. -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: A BIG ROCKmeA HARD PLACE Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi Goncalo, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 18:12:40 [GMT +] (which was 11:12 AM where I live) you wrote: GF No comments. It doesn't apply. Lemming analogy. If others do it, it must be ok. Perfectly applicable. GF Yeah, right. With less then 2% of market share the last time I saw GF some statistics their must be very popular. Yeah, Mozilla based browsers are sucking up some serious market share. GF Why not integrate, as an option, the IE engine into the TB? You GF don't want to use it, fine, stick with internal render engine. GF People who don't mind do as they want to. That is positively the absolute worst idea you've yet proposed. You want to tie TB in with IEs browser? RITLabs would be better suited just putting a bullet into their own head. Tie in a nice secure e-mail program to the world's most notable security sieve! GF Who are you anyway to impose your view and your way to others? Why GF can't the product have alternatives just because you don't like GF them? I don't like IMAP. Did you saw me requesting to cut it off GF TB? Just like you. I get to express my opinion and hope RITLabs agrees. If you feel at all any way imposed upon and believe my opinion holds any more weight than yours, then you're sadly mistaken. GF It's not? Then I must hallucinating because I receive loads of GF HTML emails. More lemmings? GF It may not be official but it SURELY is part of email current usage. Yes, and a fat lot of good it's done us. More spam, more expolits, more non-techy users having their e-mail blow up in their face and dragging all their friends down with them by kindly sharing their special HTML e-mails just because they're in their addressbooks. -- Leif -:- TB Lists Moderator -:- PGP Key ID 0x7CD4926F Tagline of the day: Ok, I pulled the pin. Now what? Where are you going? Roguemoticons - http://www.PCWize.com/thebat PCWSmileys- http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Goncalo, A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 19:48:59 GMT +0100 GF So, do me a favor, be part of the solution or else... Oh dear, oh dear oh dear. Don't ya just love it when they get violent because they're losing an argument :) -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Greg, MyGate is not even a plugin, it's just a gateway. And as for HTML, I will not enter into the discussion. Ok now you have me thinking. IIRC didn't you publish a quite lengthy installation for the MyGate plugin or was it MailTraq? If you used both which is better? That was for MailTraq, much before MyGate was even developed. MyGate is much more simple to install and configure and it just runs beautifully. I switched from MailTraq to MyGate as soon as I discovered it. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Goncalo, A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 20:05:59 GMT +0100 GF I said exactly what he said. If he wants to be part of the solution GF fine, if not, please step aside... You don't know who he is do you? -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Goncalo, A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 20:18:06 GMT +0100 GF Sure I do. He is the moderator. Did I said anything offensive? I GF didn't call lemming to anyone, did I? It's not the moderator part that you need to worry about. Why do you think NO ONE else is arguing with him least of all me? -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Goncalo, A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 20:29:19 GMT +0100 GF I'll bet you're going to tell me... You bet wrong. I'm not risking that, that's for sure. Now I think it best we change the subject. Winters nearly over, Australian Grand Prix this Sunday. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello MAU, On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:03:05 +0100 GMT(2/27/2005, 1:03 PM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] MAU wrote: That was for MailTraq, much before MyGate was even developed. MyGate is much more simple to install and configure and it just runs beautifully. I switched from MailTraq to MyGate as soon as I discovered it. Since I like TB's editor so MUCH more than Agent and the fact that Agent still hasn't provided multiple server capability, I will probably take the time in the future to install MyGate. URL? http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mygate/ Correct? Thanks! -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Goncalo, A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 20:40:38 GMT +0100 GF I don't know and it really doesn't matter much, after all we're just GF expressing our points of view. Just so long as it doesn't differ from his too much you should be OK now drop it will you *please*! -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Goncalo, A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 20:53:00 GMT +0100 GF ahahahahaha... You laugh all you want but I have a wife and family whom I love very much and I'm certainly not going to put them at risk for the sake of a html argument, I'd rather go back to using Outlook Express. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Tony Boom wrote: Hello Leif, Also the reason I bowed out of the discussion. I want a bug free Bat before they make any new additions, they want html right now and Sod everyone else. I don't think any of us said it had to be 'right now' And as I've said before, I agree that bug fixes should come first. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Leif Gregory wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2005, at 13:15:41 [GMT -0500] (which was 11:15 AM where I live) you wrote: DC Err, Wouldn't using the IE Engine be a big security hole? Gecko DC (From Firefox/Mozilla) would be a better idea. Immensely accurate observation. None of us that want better HTML support and Remote Image support want it to be just slapped in. We expect RIT to do it in such a way that it isn't a security hole. Whether by limiting what tags are allowed, blocking Java/Javascript/ActiveX, or some other means. Or possibly, and preferably, all of the above. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello David, A reminder of what David Calvarese on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 21:02:53 GMT +0100 DC I don't think any of us said it had to be 'right now' And as I've said DC before, I agree that bug fixes should come first. I know, and you are right, html should be available for those that want it. But can you see my point? Those of us that don't want it will be left with an unsupported version full of bugs. Fix all the bugs first, then implement html and at least the people who don't want the update will have at least a fully working client, including IMAP of course. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Tony Boom wrote: Hello David, A reminder of what David Calvarese on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 21:02:53 GMT +0100 DC I don't think any of us said it had to be 'right now' And as I've said DC before, I agree that bug fixes should come first. I know, and you are right, html should be available for those that want it. But can you see my point? Those of us that don't want it will be left with an unsupported version full of bugs. Fix all the bugs first, then implement html and at least the people who don't want the update will have at least a fully working client, including IMAP of course. Oh, I agree 100%. I certainly want better IMAP support and for some fixes to be made to the GnuPG (not PGP) support. Those have to happen before I can switch back, regardless of HTML support... If they do HTML first, I'll still be using Tbird till they get the IMAP/GnuPG stuff done. :) -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Goncalo, A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 21:18:50 GMT +0100 GF Old soldiers never die, They just go on and on and on about the war :) -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Goncalo, A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 21:21:08 GMT +0100 GF I can't understand why. Isn't the check box to enable/disable enough? In an ideal world yes, but you tick the box for one message and forget to untick it, what happens then? Achilles and all his mates come charging in. How about a button on the header pane that works on a per message basis. It only appears if the message is html and requires images to be downloaded. You click it, the pretty pictures appear and then it defaults to off for the next message? -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Tony Boom On Sunday, February 27, 2005, at 3:01:31 PM You wrote: TB You laugh all you want but I have a wife and family whom I love very much TB and I'm certainly not going to put them at risk for the sake of a html TB argument, I'd rather go back to using Outlook Express. hahahaha I hope you are not serious! - -- The Final Cut Thebat: 3.0.2.10 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1rc2 (MingW32) iD8DBQFCIjEFmZdOAsVmU04RAkOUAJ9Q4YcvwAx3FQfO3QplD1/EyF6R2ACbBEaj o6cqMs+EFAe4wN5g5xbP5uY= =2RJj -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello David, A reminder of what David Calvarese on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 21:20:46 GMT +0100 DC Oh, I agree 100%. I certainly want better IMAP support and for some DC fixes to be made to the GnuPG (not PGP) support Not too long ago my host implemented IMAP. I've never used it before but would like to see what all the fuss is about. Trouble is if I try it with a half working IMAP client I'm afraid it'll put me off of it for life. Well you know me and PGP, we have never got along. I'm using version 6.5.8 that Marck gave me years ago, it's working and I'm not changing it, even though I don't use it much. I do use GnuPG but that's under it's native environment, Linux and it seems to work OK there. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello The! On Sunday, February 27, 2005, 2:43 PM, you wrote: hahahaha I hope you are not serious! Oh, but he is! You just haven't been around long enough to know Leif the way Tony does!! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello The, A reminder of what The Final Cut on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 21:44:40 GMT +0100 TFC hahahaha I hope you are not serious! Do you see me laughing? Can you see his rouge image? That little boy he's just about to throw off the cliff? I'm not risking that for the sake of html! -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Mary, A reminder of what Mary Bull on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 21:51:08 GMT +0100 MB Oh, but he is! You just haven't been around long enough to know Leif MB the way Tony does!! Best stay out of it Mary, you don't want to put yourself at risk. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Mary, A reminder of what Mary Bull on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 21:51:08 GMT +0100 MB Oh, but he is! You just haven't been around long enough to know Leif MB the way Tony does!! Tell you what Mary, Lief has been awfully quiet this past hour, hope he's not arranging anything. Now I really do think we should stop, there seems to be an overwhelming smell of trout in the air :) -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Goncalo, A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 22:06:20 GMT +0100 GF ui ui ui estou a tremer cheio de medo! Sorry, don't speak Klingon. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Tony! On Sunday, February 27, 2005, 3:05 PM, you wrote: Tell you what Mary, Lief has been awfully quiet this past hour, hope he's not arranging anything. Tony, The Name! shivering Quick, fix it! Before he notices that you misspelled The Name!! Now I really do think we should stop, there seems to be an overwhelming smell of trout in the air :) The self-detonating kind, yes! and the sickening odor of Dead Horse--an evil companion rides with him! rushes to :toilet: -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Mary, A reminder of what Mary Bull on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 22:15:59 GMT +0100 MB and the sickening odor of Dead Horse I know, and all that hassle of having to put clean bed linen on. -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Mary, A reminder of what Mary Bull on TBBETA typed on: 27 February 2005 at 22:15:59 GMT +0100 MB rushes to :toilet: Can't stop :rofl2: -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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At 19:07 [GMT+0100] on Sunday February 27 (actual time - 2:07am on Monday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: Probably not a good reason, but I owned Agent before I knew of MyGate and I got used to it. If it is _your_ reason, it is a good reason. Not a comment on this post specifically (ie Greg), more on the thread in general: Sorry, but that's rubbish. It's *nice*, but it's rubbish. Plenty of people have reasons for doing (or opposing) things that are completely wrong and/or dumb, no matter how much they believe in them. -- cheers, mic Homeless people may have no homes, or no food, but they always seem to have cigarettes. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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At 09:59 [GMT-0700] on Sunday February 27 (actual time - 12:59am on Monday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: GF It's part of the new era. RITLabs surely won't straighten up the GF usage of email, they must go along with the major players and the GF major players do have GOOD HTML support. So if your friend jumps off a bridge, you're going to do it too? Leif, if you think HTML email is at the same level of seriousness as killing yourself, something's gone wrong somewhere. GF If I had the same attitude that a few other showed up I would say GF something like I don't use IMAP, I don't care if it has bugs or GF not I rather have HTML rendered correctly but I find both things GF important. IMAP is part of e-mail. HTML isn't. Poor argument. Sorry, but it is. It might not be what people want, but that's life. It's not possible for me to say to my boss Sorry, but I'd really like us to change our system for dealing with email because I disapprove of our use of HTML email. It's not my fault he learned to do things with Outlook, but placing my head firmly in the sand won't change the way he does things, and I have to deal with it. Remember, it's being suggested as a normally off, user-choose option. I'd be happy with the ability to use HTML templates (for the one or two a week I *must* use)... -- cheers, mic Dealing with network executives is like being nibbled to death by ducks. Eric Sevareid Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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At 10:03 [GMT-0700] on Sunday February 27 (actual time - 1:03am on Monday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: GF I really don't care about other users, I care about my needs and GF if I can accomplish them with the software I'm using. Exactly the poor attitude Tony, Paul and I are trying to curtail. The Enough of the white horse stuff, eh? I'm pretty sick of the doing it for your own good argument. completely selfish, me first attitude. Let the rest of the world suffer as long as I get what I want. Frankly, both sides of the argument see that attitude in the other. (And with good reason, at times.) Funny, eh? -- cheers, mic Teamwork is essential - it allows you to blame someone else. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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At 06:30 [GMT-0500] on Sunday February 27 (actual time - 7:30pm on Sunday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: MC If you have even a vague clue as to what you are doing, that statement is MC utterly false. My monitor only shows 96 dpi, what is yours? The same, but my statement stands: if you have any idea as to what you're doing, the downsized output from a higher quality quality camera is going to be better than from a cheaper one. I don't think this is much of a stretch for people who've done both and who know what they're doing. Of course, as ever, the clueless can't be protected from themselves. Isn't that the basis of this whole thread - the socialists v the free marketers who realise that we have to deal with the world as it is, not as we'd like it to be? -- cheers, mic People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use. Kierkegaard Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hi Leif Gregory, On 27/2/2005 11:59 AM, you wrote: Remember Opera? They refused to improperly render HTML pages due to sloppy markup. They caught flack over it for sure, but they stuck to their guns. They're still very popular. The only reason Opera has remained popular is that it works. There is no way any philosophical arguments of purity can replace a working browser. Opera is miles ahead of what it used to be in terms of compatibility with the web pages out there. I've been an Opera user since the v3.0 days and there's no doubt about its increased usability, not by sticking to its guns, but very likely making the concessions where necessary to maintain usability; and here I say 'very likely' since I'm not sure with the only other explanation being that the quality of web pages have improved in terms of compliance to standards. I really doubt it's the latter. The end user wants something that works and OperaSoft seems to be well aware of that. TB! works in many other ways and darned good at that. That's what keeps it going. The reason other players have good HTML support is that these other player also write browsers. They implement their browser into their e-mail product. Do I have anything against TB writing their own browser... Nope. Would I rather they spend the time making TB a better and more solid product for *e-mail*. Definitely. Right. I agree. -- _ _ _ __ __ __ _| | (_)___ | \/ | / _` | | | / -_) | |\/| | \__,_|_|_|_\___|_|_| |_| |___| -=-=- Oxymoron: Unachievable Accomplishments. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Mic, Probably not a good reason, but I owned Agent before I knew of MyGate and I got used to it. If it is _your_ reason, it is a good reason. Not a comment on this post specifically (ie Greg), more on the thread in general: Sorry, but that's rubbish. It's *nice*, but it's rubbish. Plenty of people have reasons for doing (or opposing) things that are completely wrong and/or dumb, no matter how much they believe in them. If it is _your_ rubbish, it is good rubbish. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Greg, URL? http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mygate/ Correct? Yes, correct. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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At 00:26 [GMT+0100] on Monday February 28 (actual time - 7:26am on Monday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: If it is _your_ reason, it is a good reason. Not a comment on this post specifically (ie Greg), more on the thread in general: Sorry, but that's rubbish. It's *nice*, but it's rubbish. Plenty of people have reasons for doing (or opposing) things that are completely wrong and/or dumb, no matter how much they believe in them. If it is _your_ rubbish, it is good rubbish. I'm not entirely certain how to take that :-) -- cheers, mic Failure is an opinion. It is either an educational tool for starting over or an excuse breeding tool for saying it's over. Doug Firebaugh Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Tony Boom wrote: How about a button on the header pane that works on a per message basis. It only appears if the message is html and requires images to be downloaded. You click it, the pretty pictures appear and then it defaults to off for the next message? Actually what we had talked about was a check box to completely disable or enable that button, for those that want to turn the remote download feature completely off. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Tony Boom wrote: Not too long ago my host implemented IMAP. I've never used it before but would like to see what all the fuss is about. Trouble is if I try it with a half working IMAP client I'm afraid it'll put me off of it for life. IMAP is really great if you need to access your mail on multiple computers. It's like having 'webmail' features through your email client. Multiple folders and everything stored on the remote server. Well you know me and PGP, we have never got along. I'm using version 6.5.8 that Marck gave me years ago, it's working and I'm not changing it, even though I don't use it much. You using Imad's version of PGP 6.5.8 by any chance? -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello On Sunday, February 27, 2005, at 5:03:35 PM You wrote: The reason other players have good HTML support is that these other player also write browsers. They implement their browser into their e-mail product. Do I have anything against TB writing their own browser... Nope. Would I rather they spend the time making TB a better and more solid product for *e-mail*. Definitely. Pocomail, incredimail, eurora, Express plus are all email clients that their programmers don't code browsers they all have great html supports too! - -- The Final Cut Thebat: 3.0.2.10 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1rc2 (MingW32) iD8DBQFCIph1mZdOAsVmU04RAuJhAJ9iGBpRX/0ssbEC+MqxN8yN662HsQCfW6Ov 1Oi6aSoxdAhuYPqo++m33rM= =5Jyv -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Mic, Sunday, February 27, 2005, 10:41:00 PM, you wrote: GF If I had the same attitude that a few other showed up I would say GF something like I don't use IMAP, I don't care if it has bugs or GF not I rather have HTML rendered correctly but I find both things GF important. IMAP is part of e-mail. HTML isn't. Poor argument. Sorry, but it is. It might not be what people want, but that's life. It's not possible for me to say to my boss Sorry, but I'd really like us to change our system for dealing with email because I disapprove of our use of HTML email. It's not my fault he learned to do things with Outlook, but placing my head firmly in the sand won't change the way he does things, and I have to deal with it. exactly! I really can't believe the ignorance a lot of people from the HTML-hate-faction show towards what's *really* going on with emails these days. Remember, it's being suggested as a normally off, user-choose option. I'd be happy with the ability to use HTML templates (for the one or two a week I *must* use)... I must use them every day. -- regards, :eu-flag3: :de-bw: :safaribears: Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.4 Rush, Opera v8.00.7401 on WinXP Home v2600 SP2 * PGP key available on request: send mail with subject 'PGP key request' pgpjjnwKpZBrI.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Allie, A reminder of what Allie on TBBETA typed on: 26 February 2005 at 01:49:59 GMT +0100 A Of course, if someone were to tell you that templates are for the A lazy, you'd say they didn't know what they were talking about, A wouldn't you? OK, I concede defeat, go ahead, Incredibat here we come :) -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Tim, A reminder of what Tim Casten on TBBETA typed on: 26 February 2005 at 12:16:42 GMT +0100 TC Don't give rit any ideas..Please! Why not, pretty pictures one minute, realistic mooing, meowing and cock-a-doodle-do sounds the next, what more could one want? :) -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Goncalo, A reminder of what Goncalo Farias on TBBETA typed on: 26 February 2005 at 12:27:19 GMT +0100 GF For his wife... Read it again... TFC for my wife and I -- Tony. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :gentoo: www.gentoo.org smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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At 14:10 [GMT+] on Friday February 25 (actual time - 10:10pm on Friday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: TFC You must be kidding to think ppl would have to switch to another TFC email client if thebat download images from web Must I? Why not ask them! Your new to this list so you don't know the past 4 years history of this subject. Ah, the I've been here longer, I know better argument. Doesn't cut much ice with people who've been here a fair while, even if it isn't the magic four years. (BTW, email has changed a whole lot in that four years, and we now have to deal with a whole new email paradigm, like it or not.) TFC Well that will make me keep Thunderbird and forget to buy a license of TFC thebat for my wife and I So your using a non registered version then? Strange as it identifies here as being registered. By your own admission you must be using an illegal cracked copy. If you can't play the ball, play the man. Much easier. I'm all for the feature requested - the protecting people from themselves argument wears a bit thin when it's used to keep legitimate features away from users who are smart enough to use them wisely. -- cheers, mic A bore is someone who deprives you of solitude without providing you with company. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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At 10:48 [GMT-0500] on Friday February 25 (actual time - 11:48pm on Friday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: I'm curious. What do you say to the people who have a dead 2 year-old who strangled himself by pressing the up button on the window with his knee because his dad forgot to set the window lock? Truly bizarre. You cannot protect people from themselves all the time, no matter how much you deprive normal society of supposedly dangerous items. (Like power windows. Far out. I think cars themselves might kill a few more people than the power windows in them, and I'm not sure that The Bat has a history of causing too many fatalities. Please correct me if I'm wrong.) But as an analogy, that's one of the most ridiculous I've seen. Ever. -- cheers, mic It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read books of quotations. Sir Winston Churchill, My Early Life, 1930 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Tony Boom wrote: Hello Allie, A Of course, if someone were to tell you that templates are for the A lazy, you'd say they didn't know what they were talking about, A wouldn't you? OK, I concede defeat, go ahead, Incredibat here we come :) None of us want anything like that Tony. Really. Incredimail is really 2 lies in one. It's neither Inredible or Email (at least not as Email should be). All we want is the option to be able to view it correctly withough having to use a web browser, thus letting us reply to it if we need/want to. -- Dave Calvarese PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Paul, On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:21:34 -0500 GMT (26/02/2005, 09:21 +0700 GMT), Paul Van Noord wrote: PVN Also, some of those I work with have a 300 baud shortwave radio PVN connection for email or a 7500 cell phone connection costing 4.5 PVN cents/min. They surely do not want HTML nor do they need it. Nobody ever forces them to. The default would be to not download the images. I do not understand all these objections to a whitelist, which nobody needs to use if they don't want to. PVN They can selectively download attachments when circumstances PVN warrant it on a case by case basis. If the configuration files PVN are made inaccessible to the user so they are protected from PVN themselves, Please do not protect *me* from myself. I do not take well to nannying. If I cause a problem to my system by downloading images, it will be my own fault and I will have to deal with it. TB is an email client for grown-ups. -- Cheers, Thomas. If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons? Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Marcus, On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 22:33:46 +0100 GMT (26/02/2005, 04:33 +0700 GMT), Marcus Ohlström wrote: MO When I first started using TB!, HTML was merely not a question. Now it MO is. Same here. I joined this list in 1999, and I couldn't care less about HTML at the time. Times have changed. [snip] MO I do however appreciate the focus on security and privacy and thus MO suggested an *optional* *whitelist*, not a general downloading of all MO images. But that has been covered in this thread several times already. I agree with all you say. -- Cheers, Thomas. I wonder how much deeper would the ocean be without sponges. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Tony, On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:47:44 + GMT (26/02/2005, 02:47 +0700 GMT), Tony Boom wrote: TB And the reason TB is lacking it is because it's taken us years of TB campaigning to keep it that way. I don't want TB to be known as the email client of the nineties. I was against downloading images at the time, but times and needs have changed. TB Incredimail does html pretty well, it's crap at everything else TB but it'll do what your asking. We are not talking about this. We are talking about the *option* of whitelisting newsletters individually for download of images. The option will be turned off by default, and who wants to whitelist any address does it on his own risk. I sincerely do not understand your objections. -- Cheers, Thomas. Die Sztahlfabriken von Birmingham verbrauchen so viel Stahl, das aller Stahl, welcher fabricirt wird, dazu nicht ausreichen wuerde. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Paul Van Noord wrote: I have never been challenged to reply to an HTML message. What is the problem? Unfortunately, I have at work. We have one vender that forces us to use HTML Email forms. Pain in the ass in my opinion, and it means we have to use a client that's capable of handling them without launching a web browser. -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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NetVicious wrote: The perfect option will be a button or something to load the images of the current mail. And this should be made manually every time. That's what I suggested originally... And that works fine for me. (It's also the default way of operating in Thunderbird). -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello Paul, On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 11:08:01 -0500 GMT (26/02/2005, 23:08 +0700 GMT), Paul Van Noord wrote: TF Please do not protect *me* from myself. I do not take well to TF nannying. If I cause a problem to my system by downloading images, it TF will be my own fault and I will have to deal with it. TB is an email TF client for grown-ups. PVN Sorry that you saw the need to remove this from your reply; PVN ...themselves, and, none of this stuff is turned on by PVN default, I might be able to accept the built-in ability as long as PVN usability and performance are not affected. Usability and performance are not effected (to my knowledge), that's why I left it out. PVN This invalidates the legitimacy of your response. I don't really see that. PVN TB is a client for all people, even those who choose to modify PVN the facts. I hope this is not representative of all the PVN grown-ups. I don't know. I just don't like to be told that a non-default option may cause problems, that's why *I* am not allowed to have it. Reason being that I need to be protected from myself. Come on. -- Cheers, Thomas. Do not be redundant; do not use more words than necessary; it's highly superfluous. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello NetVicious, Saturday, February 26, 2005, 5:07:09 PM, you wrote: We are not talking about this. We are talking about the *option* of whitelisting newsletters individually for download of images. The option will be turned off by default, and who wants to whitelist any address does it on his own risk. I sincerely do not understand your objections. The problem here it's this: Spammer A sends a spam-mail to you with the from email as [EMAIL PROTECTED] In your TB! you have this address in the whitelist of downloading images. The mail has a transparent image from a php file with a serial number linked in a database with your mail. Now the spammer knows you email account it's readed, and you hace read the spam mail. The perfect option will be a button or something to load the images of the current mail. And this should be made manually every time. and THIS should be up to the USER. Just as Thomas says (and I agree wholeheartedly with him on the whole HTML subject) I hate it when the program nannies me. -- regards, :eu-flag3: :de-bw: :safaribears: Ich kann nicht tanzen, ich bin Deutscher Using The Bat! v3.0.2.4 Rush, Opera v8.00.7401 on WinXP Home v2600 SP2 * PGP key available on request: send mail with subject 'PGP key request' pgpGCzQ1W4lIV.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Hello David! On Saturday, February 26, 2005, 10:33 AM, you wrote: The perfect option will be a button or something to load the images of the current mail. And this should be made manually every time. That's what I suggested originally... And that works fine for me. (It's also the default way of operating in Thunderbird). I would have no problem with that, provided it was not the default in TB! That way I could ignore the option, since I don't need it. And those who do need it could configure the button to be active. Are we getting close to consensus here? If so, please meet me on TBOT for some more savory pecan recipes. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Mary Bull wrote: The perfect option will be a button or something to load the images of the current mail. And this should be made manually every time. That's what I suggested originally... And that works fine for me. (It's also the default way of operating in Thunderbird). I would have no problem with that, provided it was not the default in TB! That way I could ignore the option, since I don't need it. Exactly! If you don't need the button, don't use it. :) And those who do need it could configure the button to be active. Umm, no. I'd prefer if the button stay off with no option to force it on. That way, if you want to view the HTML/remote Images you have to click the button for each and every message. Especially since each message is different and you probably don't want it set to ON. :) Are we getting close to consensus here? If so, please meet me on TBOT for some more savory pecan recipes. :) I really need to get some pecans and try that. :) -- Dave Calvarese Member of E-mailaholics International PGP Key Available at http://home.comcast.net/~dhcalva/DavidCalvarese-DH.asc signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Hello NetVicious, On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 17:07:09 +0100 GMT (26/02/2005, 23:07 +0700 GMT), NetVicious wrote: N The problem here it's this: Yes, I see that. It's a risk I want to be able to take. N Now the spammer knows you email account it's readed, and you hace N read the spam mail. I'll be doomed. Except that I already receive a lot of spam mails on this email address and the spam filter works well. Please do not protect me. I'll do it myself, if the need arises. I'm no child, I'm in no need of a nanny. Unless I choose the nanny (anti-spam software) myself. N The perfect option will be a button or something to load the images of N the current mail. And this should be made manually every time. That's a suggestion. But no better than double-clicking on the attachment icon. I want to actually *whitelist* certain email addresses, so no manual action is needed when the newsletter arrives. -- Cheers, Thomas. - ILLITERATE? WRITE TODAY FOR FREE HELP. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.10 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com On Saturday, February 26, 2005, at 11:33:51 AM You wrote: DC NetVicious wrote: The perfect option will be a button or something to load the images of the current mail. And this should be made manually every time. DC That's what I suggested originally... And that works fine for me. (It's DC also the default way of operating in Thunderbird). indeed, check the original post the threat is gone so far away eh - -- The Final Cut Thebat: 3.0.2.10 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1rc2 (MingW32) iD8DBQFCIK5VmZdOAsVmU04RAoTwAKChR89gSZMjdLpGb4VqbmVyzuf4xQCbBvDD 3yzbXYRP//jYJ4UkZ09RLYM= =pqp4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
NetVicious wrote: The perfect option will be a button or something to load the images of the current mail. And this should be made manually every time. ... and this is ThunderBird's current offering and one that I agree with. Of course, if one feels that a particular address is unlikely to be spoofed and wishes to whitelist it at their own risk, they have that option as well. -- .__ .__ .__ _ _ | | | | |__| / \ \__ \ | | | | | |/ __ \ / \ / \ / __ \| |_| |_| \ ___/ /Y\ ( ///__|\___ \|__ / \/ \/_/ \/ -=-=- ... A proverb is the wisdom of many and the wit of one. Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: html whitelist wish
Hello David! On Saturday, February 26, 2005, 10:57 AM, you wrote: The perfect option will be a button or something to load the images of the current mail. And this should be made manually every time. That's what I suggested originally... And that works fine for me. (It's also the default way of operating in Thunderbird). I would have no problem with that, provided it was not the default in TB! That way I could ignore the option, since I don't need it. Exactly! If you don't need the button, don't use it. :) David, I want (just for my own sake, no one else's) the option to make the button Inactive. Here's why: I can't count the times that I inadvertently closed TB! while intending only to minimize it. I have a left-right orientation disability. So now, I use the right-click (context) mouse button to get a menu from the status bar and close it from there. For awhile I was exiting from the File menu, but that wasn't as handy as closing from the task bar. I am afraid if that HTML button is active, I will inadvertently click on it, and there will be something harmful in a message from my OE/HTML sister, who is forever letting worms etc. onto her machine. So I want the button to be unuseable, by default, unless the User configures it to be useable. And those who do need it could configure the button to be active. Umm, no. I'd prefer if the button stay off with no option to force it on. That way, if you want to view the HTML/remote Images you have to click the button for each and every message. Especially since each message is different and you probably don't want it set to ON. :) Yes. This is what I want, also. Except, on the first download of a TB! version, I want the button to be in an Inactive mode, responding neither to OFF nor to ON. I would like, at the time of Install, to be asked whether I want that button to work or not. Would you have an objection to that? Are we getting close to consensus here? If so, please meet me on TBOT for some more savory pecan recipes. :) I really need to get some pecans and try that. :) Bless you! Have you had time to do the sweet ones yet? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
