Re: Downloading "old" gmail

2020-09-23 Thread Achdut18
Hello MFPA,

Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 12:08:30 PM, you wrote:

M> Hi


M> On Wednesday 23 September 2020 at 10:20:32 AM, in
M> , Achdut18 wrote:-




>> I don't see anything under "properties" that
>> restricts downloading to the past month.   What am I not
>> doing right?  

M> Check your POP settings in TB!. If your username is your gmail
M> address prefixed with "Recent:", you'll only get the last 30 days worth.


What am I specifically looking at in order to check POM settings?   Under 
account properties and "general" the account name is the gmail address.  The 
word "recent"  is not appended to the address.

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Avi

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Re: Downloading "old" gmail

2020-09-23 Thread Achdut18
Thanks, Thomas.  

Tuesday, September 22, 2020, 8:59:20 PM, you wrote:

TF> Hello Avram,

TF> On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 12:59:58 -0500 GMT (23-Sep-20, 0:59 +0700 GMT),
TF> Avram Sacks wrote:

>> How does one get The Bat to download "old" gmail from the gmail server?

>> Specifically, ...  I want The Bat to download all mail from 2005 - 2011 for 
>> a particular account.   For another account, it might be mail from 2012 - 
>> 2015.   etc.

TF> Try Account / Dispatch Mail on Server / All Messages. See if the
TF> old messages are shown and if so, download only those.

This seemed like a great idea.  However, when I tried to do that, it only 
downloaded the headers for mail from Aug 23 - Sept 23, 2020. That is no use.  
That was about 4500 messages.  But, I have 288,000+ messages on the Google 
server for this account. 

I don't see anything under "properties" that restricts downloading to the past 
month.   What am I not doing right?


-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Pro ver. 9.1.18 on Win 7 Pro



Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: Why is TB downloading all server mail and not just new messages?

2020-07-14 Thread Achdut18
Hi, Thomas, 



Sunday, July 12, 2020, 7:46:21 PM, I wrote:

TF> Hello Achdut18,

TF> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 14:16:45 -0500 GMT (13-Jul-20, 2:16 +0700 GMT),
TF> Achdut18 wrote:

>>   Today, I am
>> now experiencing a situation in which TB is now attempting to
>> download all ~4000 messages currently on the server and not just the
>> new messages, of which there are are only less than a dozen.

And you responded:

TF> Known bug, it happens rarely vbut does happen:
TF> https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1779

TF> Go to: Account / Dispatch Message on Server / All Messages
TF> Wait for the mail dispatcher to show the list of headers, it can take
TF> a few minutes. Then hit ctrl-2 to toggle the tickmark off the Received
TF> column for all messages, and then hit enter.

Thanks for these instructions.  Ultimately, I was able to figure out that I had 
to wait for all of the headers to download before doing anything.However, 
once I hit ctrl-2, I was unable to toggle off the tickmark on the "receive" 
column for all 4000 messages.  Rather, about 3200 would toggle off, and the 
remaining 800 would have the tickmark remain.   Ultimately, I downloaded those 
800 message, which was a lot better than downloading 4000 messages!(And, 
then, of course, I deleted the duplicates.) 

By the way, my wife also experienced the same problem earlier this year for 
several months.  Ultimately the problem stopped just as suddenly as it started. 
   


Unfortunately, becasue I am not a member of the beta group, your link would not 
work for me.  I had to log in to read what the link linked to and my regular 
Ritlabs log in credentials would not work.

The real question, of course, if this is a known bug that has existed for some 
time, wny does it still exist? Or, has it been known for only a very short 
while?

Once again, thank you very much for taking the time to respond and explain how 
to deal with this.   I genuinely appreciate it!!

All the best, 


-- 
Avi

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Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Why is TB downloading all server mail and not just new messages?

2020-07-12 Thread Achdut18
I have TB set up to download mail via POP and leave mail on the server for 180 
days.   (IMAP doesn't seem to play nicely with The Bat, and, in any event, for 
back-up purposes, I prefer to have my own copy of all e-mail so that it can 
then be backed up through my own back-up protocols.)The reason for leaving 
mail on the server is to enable another computer, which is used more as a 
backup and is not used as frequently, to be able to download mail from the same 
accounts.  It also ensures that the mail is available for the cell phone.  For 
nearly 15 years this has worked just fine.  Today, I am now experiencing a 
situation in which TB is now attempting to download all ~4000 messages 
currently on the server and not just the new messages, of which there are are 
only less than a dozen.  (I have stopped the process before it downloads more 
than a few dozen, each time I try.)   This just started happening today. Last 
night the download process was working properly.

What is curious is that this only happens with one of three accounts that I 
have on the same server/webmail mail host.These are NOT gmail accounts.   
However, as an aside, I do not have this problem with any of the gmail accounts 
that I also have. 

What is causing this problem and how can I fix it?  Sure, I can download all 
4000 messages and remove the duplicates, but (a) that takes time and (b) if the 
problem recurs I really need to known how to solve the problem

I notice on the toolbar, under "Account," there is a command:  "dispatch mail 
on server," and then there is a choice for either  "new messages" (ctrl + F2) 
or "all messages."   (shift+ctrl+F2).   Is it possible that this is the source 
of the problem and that I unwittingly pressed "shift+ctrl+F2" at some point?
Would merely pressing (ctrl+F2) fix this problem?

--
Avi

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Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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messages do not display toolbars and menu headings following upgrade

2020-05-17 Thread Achdut18
Title: messages do not display toolbars and menu headings following upgrade


While not happy about it, I upgraded to 9.1.18 because I could not send outgoing mail through The Bat for any of my gmail accounts due to the TLS and handshake security problems discussed here last month.   However immediately following the upgrade, I have observed that when I open up a message, none of the menu headings (Message, Specials, etc)  nor the toolbar will display unless and until I hover my mouse over the individual menu headings and toolbar buttons.  This is so even though under "view" the "standard and "quick search" toolbars are checkmarked.  

Does anyone know why this is and what I can do so that I don't have to take the time to hover my mouse over space where the menu items and buttons are located in order to see them?

--
Avi

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Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: encrypting messages

2020-03-23 Thread Achdut18
HI, 

Last summer I posted a query about how to encrypt messages.   The response left 
me more confused than when I started, so, I decided to carry on, as usual.  


M> On Tuesday 4 June 2019 at 3:08:56 AM, in
M> , Avram Sacks wrote:-


>> If I went to send an encrypted message to a client.  What are the
>> steps that would permit me to do that?

>> I apologize, in advance, if this is discussed in a help file, but I
>> could not find a coherent discussion.

MFPA responded:

M> Did you try, under Privacy and Security, The section called OpenPGP or
M> the section called S/MIME? They are not the clearest but are worth a
M> read. And maybe do a little research on the internet. Then come back
M> with more specific questions.


However, I now have a colleague who insists on using a web-based portal for 
messages that is driving me crazy and prevents me from using The Bat! as a 
repository for client correspondence with our mutual client.  So, I want to 
counter with an offer to use The Bat's features that would allow for message 
encryption.   So, I am going to try and give this another shot. 

I am not a Luddite, but The Bat's instructions were clearly written by someone 
who makes too many assumptions about the reader's understanding.

What I would like to be able to do is send password-protected messages that can 
only be opened by the receiving party who has the password.  Is that what this 
process does?  Secondly, since I am the only one who used my computer, and it's 
location is secure, I have not encrypted my message base and do not wish to do 
so, now.  

So, in order to send password-protected messages, do I select "Enable S/MIME" 
(which is already selected), and then "encrypt when completed"?  

If so, will this only impact the message being sent and no other subsequent 
message?   
  
In order to avoid having encrypted messages in my send folder, do I then need 
to open the message and decrypt it and then save the decrypted message?

I send a message that is encrypted, how will the recipient, who does not use 
The Bat, decrypt it?

The instructions for "Open PGP" states "First of all you should download, 
install and set up the preferred OpenPGP program."   WHAT(!) program?   Do I 
need to do this if all I am doing is encrypting a single message to a single 
recipient?

Finally, I am currently using ver 7.4.16, and it has worked fine for me.   Is 
there any need to upgrade in order to accomplish what I want to do vis a vis 
password protection of specific messages?

Thanks


-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Pro ver. 7.4.16 on Win 7 Pro



Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Restoring lost mail and application through data recovery

2019-12-20 Thread Achdut18
The unthinkable happened to my wife's laptop:   sudden death of her SSD. 
Unfortunately, we were blissfully ignorent of the fact that the external backup 
was not backing up at all, and hasn't been for the life of this laptop.

We have sent the SSD to a data recovery service.  That service requires us to 
identify the location of folders and files that we want recovered. 

On her laptop, The Bat likely resides where it does on my laptop: within the 
Program Files folder.  But, the mail folder tree appears elsewhere:   under 
Users\Avram\AppData\Roaming\TheBat!   

So, what files/folders do we need to recover in order restore all mail on the 
new SSDI?   What file extensions should be looked for?   I have nearly two 
dozen subfolders into which mail is sorted. 

Finally, in order to restore the application what is the file that should be 
recovered?Is it the .exe file, or the .msi file, or something different?   
I do have the product key, if needed.  The lost application was an early 
iteration of version 8 of The Bat! Pro. 

Note that anything that can be recovered will be transferred to a brand new 
SSD, with no apps on it, other than the operating system.

Thanks,, 

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Pro ver. 7.1.18 on Win 7 Pro 



Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Fwd: Access violation message

2019-07-12 Thread Achdut18
Upon rebooting, the problem did not disappear.  However, the access violation 
number is different.   The sent mail folder shows that there are messages 
there, but the screen is blank when I click on that folder. 

Any ideas on how to fix this?



This is a forwarded message
From: Achdut18 
To: tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com
Date: Friday, July 12, 2019, 5:00:54 PM
Subject: Access violation message

===8<==Original message text===
Last night I attempted to access the "send" folder of one of my primary e-mail 
account.It only holds 3,145 messages.  The in-box for this account has 
22,481 messages, and  another folder within this account has 5,700 messages.   
However, I received an error messages as follows:

Access violation at address 007D551A in module
'thebat64.exe'. Read of address 08001E09EE38

[...]

===8<==Original message text===



-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Pro ver. 7.1.18 on Win 7 Pro



Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Access violation message

2019-07-12 Thread Achdut18
Last night I attempted to access the "send" folder of one of my primary e-mail 
account.It only holds 3,145 messages.  The in-box for this account has 
22,481 messages, and  another folder within this account has 5,700 messages.   
However, I received an error messages as follows:

Access violation at address 007D551A in module
'thebat64.exe'. Read of address 08001E09EE38

This problem only manifested with this folder and no other.  The in-box of this 
account was fine, as were the sent-mail folders of the other accounts that I 
checked.  I have over a dozen different e-mail accounts.  I did not check all 
of them.   

I tried to access sent mail several times to no avail.  I then opened up the 
maintenance center and ran the maintenance tool for all accounts  About 11 GB 
of space was freed up and I was able to access the sent mail folder for this 
account.   

Today, I attempted to again access the sent mail folder for this same account, 
and received nearly the exact same error message.  This time, the "Read 
address" is slightly different. So, I ran the maintenance tool, again.   
The same error message appears.I will close all files and reboot to see if 
this fixes anything.   But, does anyone know why this is happening and how it 
can be fixed?


-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Pro ver. 7.1.18 on Win 7 Pro 



Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: spontaneous restart of The Bat when executing

2018-05-02 Thread Achdut18
Thanks for your response.  See below,

Friday, April 27, 2018, 10:44:54 PM, you wrote:


TF> On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 18:20:37 -0500 GMT (28-Apr-18, 06:20 +0700 GMT),
TF> Avram Sacks wrote:

>> The Bat has been acting strangely for the past - approximately -
>> four months.   It will, usually, but not always, automatically stop,
>> shut down, and then re-start, if I attempt to copy text into an
>> e-mail. 

* * * 

TF> I have experienced it a few times, not often. Only on my home
TF> computer, never on my laptop. My guess has always been that my
TF> computer does not habe enough RAM - old motherboard, it is maxed out
TF> at 3GB. No more slots.

But, I have 8 GB of RAM on my laptop.  I don't believe lack of RAM is the 
problem here.  This can happen with just a few windows open.  

This can happen in the same session several times in a row, and then not 
happen.   There is no consistency.

Any other ideas?


-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Pro ver. 7.1.18 on Win 7 Pro 



Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: mail messages open up as new instance of application

2016-09-14 Thread Achdut18
Hi, 

Wednesday, September 14, 2016, 5:29:06 PM, you wrote:


M> In the new window, you could try:-

M>View | Show message list | Hide


Thanks.   Don't know how I missed that.


-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Pro ver. 7.1.18 on Win 7 Pro



Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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mail messages open up as new instance of application

2016-09-14 Thread Achdut18
Hi, 

I don't know how to properly describe this, but when I open up a message, a new 
window of The Bat opens up (in addition to the existing window) with the 
message appearing within the window below the message list taps.   This just 
started this morning when I turned on the computer, after I opened up the 
application. How can I restore the configuration to what it had been such that 
the message opens up by itself?   When the application is opened up, initially, 
individual message text does not appear below the message tabs.  That is, 
message auto-view is not turned on.  However, when a message is opened, it 
appears as if message auto view is "on" in the new window; however, the 
"Workspace," "options," and "help" toolbar headings do not appear, so it is not 
as if I could just "turn off" message auto view in the new window.


-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Pro ver. 7.1.18 on Win 7 Pro



Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: Missing account names and property account information

2016-06-10 Thread Achdut18
Hi Thomas and everyone else,


I previously wrote

>>  Unfortunately, after the upgraded file loaded,
>> ALL of the account title lines were missing the names of the
>> accounts  (but the folders and e-mail within each folder were intact
>> as were the total message and unread message count for each
>> account).   Clicking on the empty title lines revealed the
>> properties pages, which shows that all of the SMTP and mail servers
>> were blank and the ports were listed as "0"!!  

Wednesday, June 8, 2016, 9:34:26 PM, you wrote:

TF> I had this before, I think it was a 6.x version.

TF> Type in the accounts names as they are the same names as the folders
TF> on the hard disk.

I  should have done this with each of the 24 accounts, but, instead, I
tried to find a more elegant solution and only made it worse:

The  Bat  help  desk  instructed  me to re-install ver 7, but to first
rename  The  Bat! folder and to rename the RIT folder in the registry.
I  did both.  However, when the new version loaded, there was merely a
shell (!!)  no message loaded.  Al the folders were empty!

The  help  desk has asked me were my .tbk folders are located, but The
Bat!  has  had trouble backing up since the last upgrade.  There is no
backup  folder  with  a  recent date.   There is one with a 2008 date,
which,  in the file name indicates that it was copied in November 2015
(not sure from where).

I  do  see  the .TBN and .TBB folders inside the various subfolders in
both   the  old  and  new  Bat!  folders.So,  why  isn't  the  new
installation recognizing anything?

The  help  desk,  unfortunately, has not been very helpful and the one
e-mail exchange per night, makes resolving this a very tedious issue.

I could use system restore to go back to the pre-ver 7.1 installation,
but would that bring back the messages?

Should  I  rename the "new" Bat folder and restore the name to the old
(pre- ver 7.1 upgrade) bat folder?

Even  though  there  are no tbk. folders that are current, there was a
system  backup  to an external hard drive from November 2015 which has
the  Bat! folder, and there is also the installation on my laptop that
is now working.   My wife and I have nearly identical setups, with all
24  accounts.   She  would  be  missing, however, her sent mail, if we
tried to install my version of The Bat on her laptop.

Suggestions, anyone?

(PS  - I will be taking a short, technology-free vacation, and will be
offline  Friday  night  through Monday evening.  I will be back online
late Monday night.)

Thanks  for  any help you might be able to provide.   By the way, I am
still awaiting a response from 1and1.com.

Thanks and have a great weekend!

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Pro ver. 7.1.18 on Win 7 Pro



Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Missing account names and property account information

2016-06-07 Thread Achdut18
One problem is no sooner solved when another presents itself.

My wife also uses The Bat on her laptop.  She experienced the same problem that 
I had been having, with not being able to send mail from the 1and1.com 
accounts.   Her e-mail setup is nearly identical to mine:  we both have the 
same 24 accounts and accessibility to each of them.Because she was having 
the same problem, I thought that upgrading her from ver 5.8.8 to  7.1 would 
help solve for her the problem I had had in not being able to send e-mail from 
the 1and1.com accounts.  Unfortunately, after the upgraded file loaded, ALL of 
the account title lines were missing the names of the accounts  (but the 
folders and e-mail within each folder were intact as were the total message and 
unread message count for each account).   Clicking on the empty title lines 
revealed the properties pages, which shows that all of the SMTP and mail 
servers were blank and the ports were listed as "0"!!   Help!   I do I restore 
this information?   I have located the message database folders, but I don't k
 now what I need to do to restore the account information.

-- 
Avi

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Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: unable to send messages - actual information

2016-06-07 Thread Achdut18
Hello Harald,

Tuesday, June 7, 2016, 1:04:57 AM, you wrote:


HF> BTW IIRC someone mentioned that he needed to re-enter the account password.

That did the trick!!! I can now use my 1and1.com accounts in The Bat!   I don't 
know why re-entering the password should make a difference, but it did!!  
Thanks for all of your help!!!  I appreciate it very much.

But, I now have an even bigger problem with my wife's computer.that I will 
present in a separate thread.


-- 
Avi

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Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: unable to send messages - actual information

2016-06-06 Thread Achdut18
A few hours ago I wrote that I would update to ver 7 and try again to send 
e-mail from my 1and1.com accounts.  

Sadly, despite having upgraded to ver 7, I am STILL unable to send e-mail from 
my 1and1.com accounts.   I will either have to abandon The Bat or find another 
e-mail host.   The present situation is not tenable.   One solution means a lot 
of downtime in altering settings and transferring files., or altering settings 
and losing web-based files.  Neither one of the solutions is optimal.  
Preferably, the Bat developers and the administrators at 1and1.com would sit 
down together to figure out how to solve this problem.  I have also opened up a 
ticket with The Bat support team on this issue.


-- 
Avi

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Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: unable to send messages - actual information

2016-06-06 Thread Achdut18
Hi, everyone. 

On Monday, June 6, 2016, 5:02:48 AM, Harald Faber wrote:

HF> Hi all,

HF> I have found the following thread in a German TheBat board:

HF> 
https://www.batboard.net/index.php/Thread/13294-TB-4-2-44-2-kann-pl%C3%B6tzlich-keine-Mails-mehr-versenden-1-1-gmx/

HF> The trouble might have to do with SPF which has been introduced for 
HF> 1und1, gmx, web.de:

HF> 
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/United-Internet-verschaerft-Spam-Bekaempfung-3225281.html
HF> (German)

If you recall, I initiated this thread last week when I was unable to send 
messages from four of 24 accounts.  (Harald changed the subject line.)   Today, 
I spoke with tech support at 1and1.com.   I also shared with them the links, 
below.   After being on hold for over a half hour this is what I learned:

1.  On Tuesday, May 31, 2016, 1and1.com initiated SPF protocol.  You can Google 
"SPF Protocol" to learn more about what SPF protocol is, but in general, it is 
"is an anti-spam approach in which the Internet domain of an e-mail sender can 
be authenticated for that sender, thereby discouraging spam mailers, who 
routinely disguise the origin of their e-mail, a practice known as e-mail 
spoofing. SPF and other anti-spoofing initiatives, such as Domain Keys, work by 
making it easier for a mail server to determine when a message came from a 
domain other than the one claimed."   See 
http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/definition/Sender-Policy-Framework .  

2.  Following numerous complaints from customers, 1and1.com, on Friday, June 3, 
2016, rolled back their system to the setting in place prior to implementation 
of SPF protocol.   

3.  Notwithstanding the rollback, the tech support representative acknowledged 
that a number of users, such as myself, are still unable to send e-mail.  She 
also acknowledged that others who attempt to send e-mail to user accounts will 
experience a bounce back, even if not all mail sent to a user account is 
bounced back.  Indeed, that has been my experience: I have received several 
reports of individuals not being able to send e-mail to my 1and1.com accounts, 
even though some mail has been getting through to these accounts.

The tech support representative said that upper level administrators were 
trying to determine how to correct this problem but did not have any answers at 
this time.  She promised to get back to me within 24 to 48 hours. 

So, it remains to be seen if there will be a fix.  In the meantime, later 
reports on this thread suggest that upgrading to the latest version of The Bat 
has solved the problem for some, so I will be trying that as well.   I have 
also experienced some instability in the current version, which I will discuss 
in a separate thread, which is another reason I intend to upgrade shortly.   


-- 
Avi

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Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: unable to send messages from four of 24 accounts

2016-06-03 Thread Achdut18
Hello Paul,

Friday, June 3, 2016, 6:57:49 AM, you wrote:

PVN> 6/3/2016  6:56 AM

PVN> Hi Achdut18,

PVN> On 6/2/2016 Achdut18 wrote:

A>> I  just  finished  speaking with tech support for 1&1.com.  He changed
A>> the  setting from "Secure to regular port (STARTTLS)" to "Regular" and
A>> he changed the port from 587 to 25.  With these changes, I am now able
A>> to  send  e-mail,  although it is now no longer encrypted. ...

PVN> I use Secure to regular port (STARTTLS) on port 26 with success.

I just tried this. These settings do not work for me.   I have to use "regular" 
and port 25.  I still don't understand why.


-- 
Avi

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Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: unable to send messages from four of 24 accounts

2016-06-02 Thread Achdut18
Hello Thomas,

Thursday, June 2, 2016, 10:52:02 PM, you wrote:

TF> I use port 465, and if you see this, it works again.

TF> Temporary problem. Happens sometimes with them, once or twice a year.

This  does  not  make  sense.   My  problem is not with the receipt of
e-mail.  It  is  with  the sending of e-mail.   Also, I use e-mail
6  days  a  week,  52  weeks a year and have been doing so for over 15
years.  I only had a similar problem some years ago -- I believe.

However, I have an update:

I  just  finished  speaking with tech support for 1&1.com.  He changed
the  setting from "Secure to regular port (STARTTLS)" to "Regular" and
he changed the port from 587 to 25.  With these changes, I am now able
to  send  e-mail,  although it is now no longer encrypted.  His second
level  support  thought  my  firewall  or  anti-virus was causing this
problem,  but  that  makes  no  sense because both I and my wife began
having the problem at the same time even though we are using different
firewalls  and  anti-virus  programs.   (And someone on this list also
reported  having  the  same  problem!!!)   He promised to look into it
further.


-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 6.0.0.28 on Win 7 Pro



Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re: unable to send messages from four of 24 accounts

2016-06-02 Thread Achdut18
Hello Marck,

You wrote:


MP> My first guess would be that the hotel wifi blocks port 25 to prevent
MP> guests spambot infested systems spewing junk from their connection.

My wife reports that the same problem is happening in our home office.

MP> It is highly
MP> possible that your personal domain email accounts are not configured
MP> to use TLS, SLL or StartTLS so get blocked from using port 25.

My SMTP connection is "Secure on regular port (STARTTLS)".   and, that
port is 587.

It   seems   that  I  need  to  explore  with  my e-mail host service,
1&1.com, the basis for this problem.


-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 6.0.0.28 on Win 7 Pro



Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


unable to send messages from four of 24 accounts

2016-06-02 Thread Achdut18
Hi,

I have about 24 different e-mail accounts.   All but five are various gmail 
accounts.  One is a Yahoo account and four use private domains that I set up 
with 1&1.com

Until Tuesday of this week, everything worked fine.   However, starting Tuesday 
evening, for no apparent reason, I cannot SEND mail from the accounts with the 
private domains IF I try to send from within The Bat e-mail client.  I CAN send 
e-mail from these accounts if I go online and use 1&1 webmail's facility to 
send the e-mail.   

These domains can RECEIVE e-mail sent from outside domains, but I cannot SEND 
mail from the domains when I try to send e-mail from within The Bat e-mail 
client.  
I can send and receive from the gmail and yahoo domains.   

I did not change any settings. 

I am at a conference and am using the hotel's guest wi-fi to connect to the 
Internet.  That connection is working fine.   Also while at the conference I 
WAS able to send e-mail from the accounts in question.  However several hours 
later I was no longer able to send e-mail from these 1&1.com private domain 
accounts.   

What  is  causing  this  problem?  A cold re-boot did not fix it.   It also  
makes  no difference if I try to send a reply to a prior message or  if  I 
compose a new message.Nor does it make a difference if I compose  the  
letter  as  an  HTML document or if I compose it as text only.

Can you help me fix this? 

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Pro ver. 6.0.0.28 on Win 7 Pro



Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


linking e-mail to Google calendar

2015-08-04 Thread Achdut18
Is it possible to link an e-mail to an appointment in Google Calendar?  Drag 
and drop does not do it.   So, I am thinking that it is not possible, but 
thought I would check with the experts.

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 6.0.0.28 on Win 7 Pro

Current version is 6.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re: sorting filters not working consistently

2015-06-02 Thread Achdut18
Hi Thomas,

Monday, June 1, 2015, 9:58:55 PM, you wrote:


TF Can you post the filter here?

TF Highlight the filter in the Sorting Office, right-click, choose Copy,
TF and paste it into your reply here.


Sure, in fact, since about a half a dozen of them are not working, I will post 
two here that don't work, and one that does:

These are not working:

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [9545C834.01D09CBA.53F438C7.1B507DEA]
Name: Amer\20Airlines
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`0`0`americanairli...@email.aa.com\0D\0A}
MoveMessage folder \5C\5chatzibur@gmail.com\5CAmer\20Airlines
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [82D5DAC2.01D083D2.200383C6.463C2EE2]
Name: Dragon\20Naturally\20Speaking
Filter: 
{\0D\0A\20`0`0`dragonpr...@nuance.com\0D\0A1`0`0`nua...@reply.digitalriver.com\0D\0A1`7`Reply-to`0`nua...@reply.digitalriver.com\0D\0A1`0`0`nuance\0D\0A}
MoveMessage folder \5C\5chatzibur@gmail.com\5CDragon\20Nat\20Spkng
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter


This filter, however, works:

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [BB696BEE.01D019BE.3180F583.423CDB93]
Name: Investment\20News
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`0`0`InvestmentNews\0D\0A}
MoveMessage folder \5C\5chatzibur@gmail.com\5CInvestment\20News
IsActive
Ignore
endFilter

I see no difference  between these filters, other than the specific 
instructions.  I have, probably, 50-60 filters spread among other accounts that 
all seem to be working just fine. Thanks for any help you can provide!

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 6.0.0.28 on Win7 Pro

Current version is 6.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re: sorting filters not working consistently

2015-06-01 Thread Achdut18
Hi Paul,

Sunday, May 31, 2015, 8:03:41 PM, you wrote:


PB Don't know but try

PB Header - includes - any of -   Hampton Hotels


Thanks.  I already tried that.  It didn't work.  Sorry, I should have mentioned 
that in my post.


-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 6.0.0.28  on Win7 Pro

Current version is 6.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re: sorting filters not working consistently

2015-06-01 Thread Achdut18
Hi,

M On Monday 1 June 2015 at 1:02:34 AM,  I wrote:

some of
 the filters no longer seem to be working, even though
 the text for which the filters searches has not
 changed.


To which you replied on Sunday, May 31, 2015, 9:00:15 PM:

M Are the filters still marked as Active?

Yes

M Does the destination folder still exist?

Yes

M Does some other filter (on that account or a common filter) catch the 
M message either before or after the one you intend? (Test by 
M right-clicking message in list, selecting test filters and then 
M whatever options are appropriate.) 

No.  The e-mails remain in the inbox.   Clicking on test filters and running 
the filter on a highlighted message yields a result box that shows that the 
message was refiltered.   But the filter requires that the message be moved to 
a  destination folder and even though the destination is still present, the 
message is not moved.  

I also tried this:  I deleted one of the non-working filters completely and 
recreated it.   The message still did not move from the inbox.


-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 6.0.0.28 on Win 7 Pro

Current version is 6.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


sorting filters not working consistently

2015-05-31 Thread Achdut18
Hi,

I rely on filters extensively in a number of different mail accounts.  Most of 
the time they work as expected.   However, in one account, which is dedicated 
to third-party vendors with whom  I do business, some of the filters no longer 
seem to be working, even though the text for which the filters searches has not 
changed.  

Here is an example:

I have done business with Hampton Hotels and now get their promotional e-mail.  
The from field for each message from this vendor is:  Hampton Hotels 
hamp...@h1.hilton.com.   

I have a filter that searches sender for hamp...@h1.hilton.com It used to 
work, but not any more.   

I tried to add a filter that searched the header field from for  Hampton 
Hotels hamp...@h1.hilton.comBut that didn't help.

I compared the RFC-822 headers from a message for which the filter worked with 
the RFC-822 headers from a message that did not get filtered and saw no 
difference between the two for the fields in question.   I have a similar 
problem with about  seven other filters.   Any idea as to why I am having this 
problem?  Other filters for this same account seem to be working fine. 

-- 
Avi
Avram Sacks 

Using The Bat ver 6.0.0.28 on Win 7 Pro

Current version is 6.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Access Violation error message

2015-04-06 Thread Achdut18
Hi, everyone, 

Shutting down The Bat, I received an error message that read as follows:


Access violation at address 01105125 in module 'TheBat.exe'. Read of 
address 0008.

The Bat did shut down.  Why did I get this error message?

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks
Skokie, IL
Using The Bat ver.  6.0.0.28 on Win 7 Pro

Current version is 6.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re: Changing default reply for reply button on toolbar

2015-03-18 Thread Achdut18
Hello Jernej,

Wednesday, March 18, 2015, 3:00:52 AM, you wrote:

JS On Wednesday, March 18, 2015, 7:47:38, I wrote:

Can I reset the default for that reply button
 so that it populates the to field of the outgoing message with 
 the text that appears in the from field of the message to which I
 am replying? 

To which Jernej replied:

JS I use a reply template which contains the following for mailing lists
JS that don't set the Reply-To header:

JS %SETPATTREGEXP=:\s*(([^@]+)@[^]+)%-
JS %RegExpBlindMatch=%OHEADER(List-Post)%-
JS %TO=%TO='%ofromname on %-
JS [%SUBPATT=2] %-
JS %SUBPATT=1'%-

First.  Thank you very much for the quick reply.   This list is better than any 
product help desk!

Your solution appears to be very nice, but I don't know how to set this up.   
Can you provide me with a step-by-step cookbook recipe that will accomplish 
this?  For example, if I go to Tools/Quick Templates and click on create a new 
quick template, name it reply and check the box that says use for reply 
messages and then copy and paste what you wrote into the editing box and click 
ok will that generate the template for the account that is highlighted on the 
left side of the window?   Do I need to do anything else?   What about the 
reply shortcut?  Does anything get changed in that box?   

Thanks. 

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 6.0.0.28 on  on Win 7 Pro

Current version is 6.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Changing default reply for reply button on toolbar

2015-03-18 Thread Achdut18
I subscribe to a number of different e-mail lists and will occasionally reply 
to posts on these various lists.   For some lists, for any given incoming 
message, the Reply to field is populated with the e-mail address of the 
post's author, while the to field is populated with the list address.   For 
other lists, such as TBUDL, both the to field as well as the reply to field 
have the list address.   When I hit the reply button for posts in the first 
group, the to field of the outgoing message will go directly to the author of 
the post to which I am replying.  However, for any given incoming message in 
the second group, if I hit the reply button on the toolbar, the to field of 
the outgoing post is populated with the e-mail address of the list.   However, 
a casual glance at the to field of the outgoing message doesn't always alert 
me to the fact that a message intended as private might be going to the entire 
list.  This is because the text in the To field will read some
 thing like this:

John A. Doe tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com

What is inside the carets is what the e-mail client sees and responds to, not 
what is inside the quotation marks.If I was careful, I would always look 
closely at the to field of the outgoing message and make sure that the 
message is being sent to John Doe and not to the list, if I want a message to 
be private.  However, I am sometimes distracted and fail to catch this.   As a 
result, messages that are intended for only one set of eyes might be read by 
600 people and it can be embarrassing.   The way to solve this would be to 
reset the reply button on the toolbar so that the default reply is to what 
appears in the From field of the incoming message for which I am sending a 
reply. 

Is this possible?   Can I reset the default for that reply button so that it 
populates the to field of the outgoing message with  the text that appears in 
the from field of the message to which I am replying?  If so, can you provide 
step-by-step instructions that explain how to do this?

Thanks for any advice you might be able to provide.

Avi

Avram Sacks
Skokie, IL

Current version is 6.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


date on msg saved to windows folder

2014-09-22 Thread Achdut18
Hi, All,

I occasionally copy inbox messages to client folders in Windows Explorer.   
However, the file date for the message (as shown in Windows Explorer, not 
within the message itself) then appears as the date that the message was saved 
to the folder, rather than the actual message date. Without changing the time 
and date on the computer clock, which I do not want to do, is it possible to 
copy a message into a folder such that the file name reflects the date and time 
that the message was created?  If so, how can it be done?

-- 
Avi
Avram Sacks 

Using The Bat ver 6.0.0.28 on Win 7 Pro

Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


unable to open help file from within The Bat

2014-09-22 Thread Achdut18
I cannot open the Help Topics file from within The Bat!I CAN open the file 
by clicking on the file,  The_bat.chm, in Windows Explorer.  But, why am I not 
able to do so anymore from within the The Bat?(I used to be able to do it, 
but probably haven't tried for quite some time.)

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks
using The Bat Pro ver. 6.0.0.28 on Win 7 Pro

Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


sending and receiving encrypted messages

2014-09-22 Thread Achdut18
Is it possible to selectively encrypt messages such that only certain messages 
that are sent out are encrypted?  Will any attached files also be encrypted?


I have a client concerned about privacy and would like to be able to send 
encrypted messages to the client with attachments.   How does this work?  Can I 
encrypt only messages to him without encrypting my entire data base?   If I 
send him an encrypted message, how will he unencrypt the message?   He does not 
use The Bat. 

Can he send encrypted messages to me through his own e-mail client using The 
Bat encryption technology?  These questions may seem incredibly naive, but 
I really don't know how this works.  The Help Topics facility talks in terms of 
having an encrypted database.  But, all I want to do is to encrypt certain 
messages.  Not all of them.  If they were all encrypted, then anyone I sent 
messages to would have to have a key to read them, correct?

-- 
Avi

Using The Bat! Pro ver 6.0.0.28 on Windows 7 Pro 

Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


data files on computer B but working directory on computer A?

2014-04-27 Thread Achdut18
Hi  all.   I  am hoping you can help me fix what appears to me to be a
very unusual problem.

For years Desktop “A” served as the location for the data files for
The Bat! for both my installation of The Bat! and my wife's
installation of The Bat! on Laptop “B.” I also have a new laptop we
will call Laptop “C.

In order to be able to travel with my new laptop and have full mail
accessibility, I decided to untether all use of The Bat! from Desktop
A. I installed The Bat! on to C and copied the data directory from A
to C. In addition, I copied the data directory from A to B and then
changed the properties of all the mail accounts on Laptop B to point
to the new data directory on laptop B. (With these changes I made sure
that all mail stays on the server for 90 days in order to ensure that
the same mail gets downloaded to both laptops.) I no longer download
mail to A.

All this time, Desktop A has remained functional and stays on.
However, it is no longer used for mail. The Bat! has been functioning
normally on both laptops ever since data files were transferred to
them nearly two months ago

On Friday, my wife was using The Bat! on her laptop, when she received
an error message that stated:

Failed to create working directory.
\\Desktop A\c\MAIL\

I discovered that A had been shut down. Once A is booted, The Bat! can
be opened on B. The Bat! has been functioning without any problem on
C, whether A is on or not, however, I never used C while pointing to A
for the mail directory as I did with B. The data directory for The
Bat! on B shows dates for April 25 (the last day The Bat! was used on
B before A was shut down) while the data directory on A shows the last
date for any file being March 9, 2014, the date files were copied to B
and C.

I checked all 21 mail accounts on B and they all show in the
properties that the data files are all located on B.

So, why does the “working directory” need to be on “A” in order for
The Bat! on B to work?

Is  there an elegant way to change the working directory from A to
B?

Do I need to uninstall The Bat! on B and then resinstall it in order
to ensure that use of this application is completely untethered from
A?

Is there another or better way of doing this?

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks
Using The Bat! 5.8.8. on Win 7 sp1



Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re: data files on computer B but working directory on computer A?

2014-04-27 Thread Achdut18
Hi, Miguel,

Sunday, April 27, 2014, 5:11:36 AM, you wrote:

M Hello Achdut18,

 So, why does the “working directory” need to be on “A” in order for
 The Bat! on B to work?


M I am not sure if this may be the cause but, what is your setting in 
M Options/Preferences/System/Mail directory?


That's it!  The setting in options/Preference/System/Mail directory points to 
\\Desktop A\c\MAIL\

Changing the location fixed the problem!  This, however, leaves me with a few 
questions:

1.  If the e-mail client and data files are on B, but 
Options/Preferences/System points to A, how is what is on A being 
functionally used?   

2. When in Options/Preferences/System on B and pointed to the data directory on 
B, a pop-up dialogue box listed all the data files on A, including so-called 
cache files I don't even see on A and asked if I wanted to overwrite the 
files on B and if so, to highlight the file and then tap the space bar for each 
file on A that I wanted to overwrite on B.   Since the most current files were 
on B, I didn't do this.   However, is this an easy way to copy data files from 
one computer to another?   When I moved the data files to B, I copied and 
pasted the files over our home network from A to B and then changed the 
properties for each account.   Would this have been done automatically just by 
changing the location in Options/Preferences/System?And, if so, does that 
MOVE the files from A to B or does it just COPY them from A to B?

Thanks, again, Miguel, for your help!

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 6.0.0.28 on Win 7 pro sp1

Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


spontaneous sending of outbox messages

2014-04-09 Thread Achdut18
On occasion I will draft a message that I do not send.  I place it in the 
outbox for later reference for the content, but there is no intention to mail 
the letter.   Most of these messages have the to field completed with the 
originally intended recipient.   Sometimes I will have sent an alternate note 
to the person; sometimes I will just pick up the phone and (horrors) actually 
have a live conversation with the individual.  Today, however, I have 
discovered, due to two e-mail replies and one telephone call, that at least 
three of these outbox messages were sent within the last 24 hours.  The sent 
messages do not appear in my sent folder and the recipients report that the 
date of the note is the original date, such as November 1, 2013.   

Why is my outbox sending out its messages?   Should I assume all outbox 
messages in all accounts were sent?   (I have over 24 different e-mail 
accounts.)   What is going on?

Avram Sacks

Skokie, IL

Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


The Bat process keeps running after app is closed

2014-04-08 Thread Achdut18
My  pc's  shutdown  process  generated  an End Program pop up notice
headlined,  End  Program  -  thebat that stated This program is not
responding. My choices are to either end now or cancel.

The  Bat  was  closed  so I looked at the processes running under Task
Manager and saw that thebat.exe was running.  IIRC, it was 284k.   So,
I  reopened  and  closed The Bat, and the same thing happened.  Now, I
can  just  end  the  process,  but  why  is  a  process running in the
background  when  The Bat is closed?   Perhaps this is somehow related
to  the  stream  write  error  message  problem  that  has  never been
resolved? (See my earlier post from Dec 2)

Bottom  line  question, though, is, why would a process be running for
The Bat after having closed the application?

-- 
Avi
Avram Sacks
Running The Bat ver. 5.8.1 on WinXP Pro sp3.  



Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re: Unable to restore from backup to new laptop

2014-03-03 Thread Achdut18

Sunday, March 2, 2014, 8:58:52 AM, you wrote:

M Hello MFPA,


 But you are talking about POP accounts

 Because that's how I access them. 

M I know, but I mean a POP account at_the_server. Which is a completely 
M different set up and functionality that IMAP accounts.

 and, AFAIK, I may be wrong, Gmail is an IMAP account that allows
 access by POP. In my case, I can access my account from phone or
 tablet as IMAP, and from TB as POP.


Well,  having started this thread, I would like to bring it back to my
problem:   which  is  synching  the use of The Bat on two computers so
that I can access my accounts from either computer.

After having placed a separate installation of TB on my new laptop for
several days, and with the situation that each computer has its own
message base, and with respect to both gmail and private domain
accounts, mail is allowed to remain on the server after download for
at least 90 days with respect to gmail, forever, I have been able to
determine several things:

a.  mail  on  my private domains gets downloaded to both computers, so
long  as  the download is within the time the mail is set to remain on
the server

b.   mail  that  is  sent  from  one computer is not seen by the other
computer unless I copy myself on the message

c.  once  gmail is downloaded to one computer, it will not download to
the other computer.

When  I  look  at the gmail settings for my account on the internet, I
see  that  POP is enabled for all mail after a given date in 2006; and
that IMAP is enabled.

Thus, gmail is set up for BOTH POP and IMAP.

I  like  the  idea  of  being able to download the mail to my computer
rather  than  run  the  risk  of  having it sit out on a server in the
middle of who knows where.

So,  it  seems  the  only way to ensure that mail on both computers is
synched is to use some sort of synching program.

On  a  related  thread,  Adding  The  Bat to a new computer on a home
network  Jack  La  Rosa recommended www.wuala.com to use for synching
folders on two computers.

Does everyone agree or do you have other suggestions for this purpose?

-- 
Avi

Avram  Sacks,  using  The  Bat!  ver. 5.8.2 on WinXP pro sp3  and 6.0.0 on
Win7pro



Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re: Unable to restore from backup to new laptop

2014-02-27 Thread Achdut18
Hello Chris,

Thursday, February 27, 2014, 2:19:38 AM, you wrote:


CW Hello Achdut18,

CW On Thursday, February 27, 2014,  you wrote:

 OK.   Anxious to set up TB! on my new laptop, I was unable to wait for
 a  response  to  my  most recent post, and went ahead and followed the
 advice that Thomas Fernandez gave in his post from Feb. 18, 2014.

CW snip

CW In my experience TB's internal backkup and restore is totally
CW unreliable, and has been for years. It should either be repaired or
CW removed !

CW I now use Second Copy, which you can trial with no usage restrictions
CW during the trial, or just RAR up the whole TB! directory structure and
CW transfer like that. I use RAR rather than ZIP as it seems the
CW resulting file is more compact, and its error checking is better.

Thanks, Chris,

I  followed  your  advice  and  was  able  to  just  copy the whole TB
directory.   I  didn't  use  ZIP  or  RAR;  I  just copied and pasted,
although it took a while.

Now there is a new problem: I downloaded e-mail from all my gmail
accounts and discovered that e-mail downloaded on to one computer does
not then load on to the second computer when mail is downloaded to the
second computer. In the wee hours of the morning, this is not a
problem, as there are few messages being sent, and they are most
unimportant. G-mail is left on the server forever, so it's not as if
it is being deleted upon download. Moreover, I can still see the newly
downloaded  e-mail  on my cell phone.   So, why does a download to one
computer  on  the  network preclude a download of the same mail to the
second  computer?Is  it  because  the  computers  are using the IP
address  on  the  public  side  of  the  modem?If so, is there any
solution besides using a synchronization program?

Synchronization  is  fine  while both computers are inside on the same
network.But,   if  I  go  away for a business trip for a 2-4 days,
and  I  download  mail,  then my wife won't see it until I return.   Is
there a solution?

-- 
Avi

Avram  Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 5.8.2 on WinXP sp3  and 6.0.0 on Win 7 Pro



Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re: Setting up a virtual folder on connected computers

2014-02-26 Thread Achdut18
Thanks, MFPA, for your response.

I  solved  the  problem  by  deleting  the  empty folder on the second
computer.   I  then  deleted the virtual folder on the first computer.
Then,  I  created a new virtual folder on the first computer, but this
time,  instead  of  creating  the  folder  as a plain old new virtual
folder  I  created  a  New Common Virtual Folder.And this time,
instead of it being a subfolder of the inbox, I made it a subfolder of
the  root  folder.This time it worked!   I opened TB on the second
computer  and  the  new virtual folder magically appeared, with all of
the mail it was supposed to reflect.


 On Friday 21 February 2014 at 12:44:11 AM, in
mid:1098159166.20140220184...@gmail.com, I wrote:


 the  second computer treats the virtual
 folder as a regular folder  and  NOT  as  a  virtual
 folder.   And, the new folder, on the second  computer
 is empty, even though, on the primary computer it has
 over 12,000 messages.Why is that?

To which MFPA replied:

M I don't know. But TB!'s focus is a Common Folder in the Account Tree 
M and you click CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+L, in addition to anything you might 
M expect, the addressbook and spellcheck and suchlike turn up as common 
M folders within TB!. I guess any folder it finds there is dragged 
M through into TB!.

*  *  *

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 5.3.6.0 on WinXP sp3



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Re: Adding The Bat to a new computer on a home network

2014-02-26 Thread Achdut18
Friday, February 7, 2014, 9:01:25 AM, you wrote:

JSL On Friday, February 07, 2014 you wrote:

A how I can set up The Bat on our little home network so
A that  any  folder  or  rule created on one laptop, will be seen on the
A other  laptop?

A This  scheme  is  designed  to mimic IMAP without using IMAP.

A If  it  makes  any  difference,  both laptops run Windows 7 Pro, while the
A desktop runs Win XP Pro.

*  *  *

JSL My suggestion then is to download WUALA, install it on both (all) of
JSL your computers and do what I did only have it sync the entire TB!
JSL folder on both (all) of your machines.  Admittedly I have not done
JSL this with TB!

However,  after  poking  around  the Help directory, I discovered that
there  is  a  synchronization  tool  right there, under tools in the
toolbar.

As  a  result,  it seems that I now have three options for synchronizing
the use of TB on two separate computers:

Option (1)
a.  create backup of TB! as it exists on computer #1
b.  copy backup file to computer #2
c.  use .msi file to instal TB! on computer  #2
d.   during  installation of TB! on computer #2, instead of creating a
new account, restore from backup.
e.  ensure  that all mail remains on server for as long as it takes in
order to ensure that mail gets separately downloaded to both computers
(I keep mail on both gmail and non-gmail servers for 90 days).
f.pray  that  downloads  of  mail  to TB! on computer #1 will not
preclude downloading that same mail on to computer #2

With this scenario, it is not clear to me that mail *sent* from one
computer will be seen on the other unless one makes sure to always
send a copy to one's self with every sent message.

Option (2)

a. install TB! on computer #2 and follow the directions in
the  help  file  for  creating  a  data  file  on  computer  #2  to be
synchronized.
b.generate a synchronization archive on computer #1
c. go to computer #2, choose tools/synchronize and synch with the data
file created on computer #1.

 Option(3)

 a. install WUALA on both laptops
 b. create a backup folder of TB! on laptop #1
 b. install TB! on the second laptop using the .msi file
 c. restore from the backup folder on laptop #2
 d. use WUALA to keep both laptops in synch.

 Do  you  all  agree  that  these  are  the options?   So, what is the
difference between using WUALA and TB!'s own synch function?
-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 5.8.2 on WinXP sp3



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Unable to restore from backup to new laptop

2014-02-26 Thread Achdut18
OK.   Anxious to set up TB! on my new laptop, I was unable to wait for
a  response  to  my  most recent post, and went ahead and followed the
advice that Thomas Fernandez gave in his post from Feb. 18, 2014.

a.  I downloaded the .msi file for thebat_pro_6-0-0.msi to my laptop, as
copied from my older computer and ran it.

b.  I also plugged into the laptop an external hard drive, which had a
backup folder with the file, autobackup.tbk.

c.  When I opened the newly installed TB! on my laptop, I was prompted
to  designate  a  location for the data file and specified the default
location (The Bat! in Application Data).

d.  I  then  was  prompted to either set up an account or restore from
backup.   I  restored  from  the  .tbk file on my external hard drive.
Initially,  I  was  asked which of my accounts I wanted to restore and
specified all of them.

e.  Next,  the  Maintenance  Center  appeared  saying  Restore  is in
progress.  Please  wait  -  it  can  be a long process...  But almost
immediately an access violation pop up appeared. I clicked ok and it
disappeared,  but  the  Maintenance  Center  was  left  hanging.No
progress  showed  in  the  window, and I couldn't cancel or delete it.
After about a half hour, I used Task Manager to shut down TB!.

f.  I  uninstalled  the TB!   I also tried to use System Restore to go
back to a point in time prior to installation of the TB!.   The laptop
refused  to  complete  that  process  and  suggested my anti-virus was
preventing  that  from taking place. However, disabling the anti-virus
did  not  resolve  this  problem,  so,  I gave up trying to use system
restore.

g.   Since  TB! had successfully uninstalled, I tried to reinstall TB!
TB!  reinstalled,  but  this  time,  I  was  not  prompted about which
accounts   to   set   up   or  download from system restore, nor was I
prompted  to  choose  a location for the data files.  Also, this time,
when TB! opened, the folder tree showed all my accounts, but they were
all empty!

10.  I went to tools/restore in TB! and attempted to restore from the
file on the external harddrive. The same thing happened as before: an
access violation pop up appeared. This time it reads:

Access  violation  at address 00DE7C52 in module TheBat.exe. Read of
address .

I  clicked  OK  and  exited  out  of  this;  however I did leave the
maintenance  center open even though no progress is appearing in the
window.  I  will  leave  this  where  it is at all night, but I expect
nothing to come of it.

So,  why  am  I  getting  an  access  violation message?  Does it have
anything to do with the fact that the backup was created by ver. 5.8.2
of  TB!,  but  I  used  the  6.0.0 msi file to set up TB on my laptop?
And  while  this  is not, strictly a TB issue, does anyone know why my
computer  won't  go  to  a restore point that immediately precedes the
installation of the software?

-- 
Avi

Using The Bat ver. 5.8.2 on Win XP Pro sp3 BUT
trying to set up The Bat ver. 6.0.0 on Win 7 Pro, on a Lenovo T430s.




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Setting up a virtual folder on connected computers

2014-02-20 Thread Achdut18
Going  along  with  my  theme  of  interconnectivity  of  TB on a home
network,  I  have  found  that  where one computer looks to the second
computer  for  the  message  base, I am also able to create subfolders
within an account on the primary computer and it will be seen by the
second  computer.However,  I  also discovered that while a virtual
folder  created  on  the  primary  computer is also seen by the second
computer,  the  second computer treats the virtual folder as a regular
folder  and  NOT  as  a  virtual folder.   And, the new folder, on the
second  computer is empty, even though, on the primary computer it has
over 12,000 messages.Why is that?

How  do I get this folder to operate as a virtual folder on the second
computer?   Should  I  just delete it, and manually create the virtual
folder?

If  I  delete  the virtual folder on the second computer, will it also
delete it on the primary computer?


-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver 5.8.2. on XP Pro, sp3



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Re: Adding The Bat to a new computer on a home network

2014-02-10 Thread Achdut18
Hello MFPA,

Monday, February 10, 2014, 7:15:50 AM, you wrote:

[snip]

 While
 the  desktop  MAIL folder also has a few additional
 accounts  that  I created on the desktop after I set up
 The Bat! on the laptop,  and  those  accounts  all have
 folders inside the MAIL folder that  I  can  even see
 while on the laptop,  The Bat! e-mail client on the
 laptop does not have those folders.   Is there some
 lower level folder on the laptop that also needs to
 point to the MAIL folder in  order  to automatically
 set up a folder on the laptop any time one is created
 on the desktop?

M Additional folders within an account should appear if you press
M CTRL+ALT+SHIFT+L after selecting the appropriate account in the folder
M tree. Additional accounts would need to be created as a new account on
M the laptop and pointed to the same location as the equivalent account
M on the desktop.

I   have   19   accounts at the root of the folder tree.   All but one
are  active.   So,  it sounds like the only way I can get new accounts
created  at  the  root  of  the folder tree on one device to appear on
another device is by manually creating the account.


M You could presumably make them appear automatically if you employed a
M method of synchronising the TB! installations.

That is exactly what I am trying to do, and some suggestions have been
posted.  When  I have time, I will take a close look at them.   


-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 5.8.2 on WinXP sp3



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Re: Adding The Bat to a new computer on a home network

2014-02-10 Thread Achdut18
Hello Paul,

Monday, February 10, 2014, 5:32:14 AM, you wrote:

[snp]


PVN My computer is the administrator for all email accounts including my
PVN wife's. I have POP3 set up on my computer for all accounts. My wife
PVN has her account set up as POP3 on her computer.

If your wife creates an account, using her laptop, would you see it on
your laptop?

PVN Both of us have our accounts set as IMAP on our phones and any sent
PVN messages are automatically BCC'd to our accounts to insure that there
PVN is a copy of all sent messages available for archiving in the POP3
PVN account on the computers.

PVN The phones sync every 10 minutes and the computers download every 10
PVN minutes. This is very easy to manage with minimal effort. No
PVN networking is needed. When we travel it is only necessary to take my
PVN computer because my wife's messages are also stored on it.

I am very interested in your set-up.   However, what if you travel and
your  wife  stays at home.  How would she read e-mail?   How would she
get access to her messages?



PVN If further remote management is needed we do it with TeamViewer. The
PVN client used on the phones is My Secure Mail for Android.

I  may have more Qs about this after looking into it.  Thanks for your
suggestions.

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 5.8.2 on WinXP sp3



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Re: Adding The Bat to a new computer on a home network

2014-02-09 Thread Achdut18
Hello Jack,

Friday, February 7, 2014, 9:01:25 AM, you wrote:

JSL Hello Achdut18,

JSL On Friday, February 07, 2014 you wrote:


* * *

A   Before  setting  up  The  Bat  on the second  laptop, can someone
A explain  to  me how I can set up The Bat on our little home network so
A that  any  folder  or  rule created on one laptop, will be seen on the
A other  laptop? And, I need to use the desktop as the server, so that
A when either laptop is offsite, the other laptop will still have access
A to the mail.

A This  scheme  is  designed  to mimic IMAP without using IMAP.

* * *

JSL I present this (possible) solution merely as a member of this august
JSL group trying to help a fellow member.  I have no idea if it would
JSL actually work.

* * *

JSL I found a FREE program
JSL called WUALA (as in voila) found at: http://www.wuala.com/.  I have it
JSL set to start anytime either machine is re-booted so that it is always
JSL running on both machines.  So far it has worked beautifully.  Any
JSL changes made to the password database on either machine appear within
JSL a minute on the other machine.

* * *

JSL My suggestion then is to download WUALA, install it on both (all) of
JSL your computers and do what I did only have it sync the entire TB!
JSL folder on both (all) of your machines.  Admittedly I have not done
JSL this with TB!  as my wife and I have separate email accounts so it was
JSL never necessary.  My only concern is that I have a sneaking suspicion
JSL that TB!  stores things in locations other than the TheBat folder in
JSL PROGRAM FILES (x86).  Those locations of course could also be synced
JSL by WUALA in addition to the TB!  folder in PROGRAM FILES (x86).


Jack,  thank  you  very much!   I don't know if this will work, but is
certainly  worth  a  try.   Does  this  only work if both machines are
running  on  the  same  network,  or,  do they just need to be able to
access the Internet?


-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 5.8.2 on WinXP sp3



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Re: Adding The Bat to a new computer on a home network

2014-02-08 Thread Achdut18
Hello MFPA,

Please see my comments, below.

Friday, February 7, 2014, 1:55:38 PM, you wrote:

 I have added a new laptop, and now want to
 use the desktop for no other purpose than as a
 dedicated mail server so that regardless of which
 laptop is on site, the  other  laptop  will  be  able
 to  download and see mail.   (When offsite, either
 laptop can use webmail to see the mail.) 

M I would think about pointing the Laptop copies of The Bat! to the
M account settings and mail folder on the desktop PC rather than each
M having it own copy. But only if all run the same The Bat! version and
M preferably only one will be used at a time to run The Bat!


Thanks for your suggestion. However, both my wife and I have separate
home offices and we frequently are using mail at the same time.


*   *   *

M If only one of the three machines will run The Bat! at a time, and if
M all three are the same version, I would designate the mail folder on
M the desktop PC where TB! stores all the messages and settings as a
M shared resource (or map its location as a network drive) and point all
M three The Bat! installations to the same files.

Well,  as  mentioned above, it's just not possible to have only one of
the  laptops  use The Bat! exclusively at any given time.   Moreover, we each 
frequently
leave  The Bat! open on both machines so both machines are running The
Bat! simultaneously a lot.

 This  scheme  is  designed  to mimic IMAP without using
 IMAP.   I have tried,  unsuccessfully  to set up IMAP.
 Other than this one, annoying glitch, my current scheme
 seems to work ok.   (Well, there is a second glitch
 in   that   if any mail is downloaded on one laptop, it
 will not  appear  on  the second laptop (if the laptop
 is turned on), until downloaded  on  the second laptop.

M What about if it is downloaded on the desktop PC? This could be
M scheduled (in Windows scheduler) to periodically open TB!, check mail,
M and (if wanted) exit TB!.

Perhaps.  Could I schedule  a  download  every five minutes?   And do no
downloading on the laptops at all?

 However, the mail will then appear in  duplicate  in
 all  of  my  non-gmail  accounts.   

M Are you already pointing The Bat! on the first laptop to the
M messagebase on the desktop? If so, shouldn't the message appear when
M the folder is refreshed? And if you are not sharing a messagebase, I
M can't work out the messages would duplicate

The  properties  for  each of the accounts appearing on the laptop all
point  to  the  desktop MAIL folder (which is at the root of c: on the
desktop).   While  the  desktop  MAIL folder also has a few additional
accounts  that  I created on the desktop after I set up The Bat! on the
laptop,  and  those  accounts  all have folders inside the MAIL folder
that  I  can  even see while on the laptop,  The Bat! e-mail client on
the laptop does not have those folders.   Is there some lower
level folder on the laptop that also needs to point to the MAIL folder
in  order  to automatically set up a folder on the laptop any time one
is created on the desktop?


M I suspect gmail ignores any settings to the contrary and deletes the
M message after first download. (Based on my setting to keep emails on
M server for several days after download, which is honoured by all
M except gmail.)



 Running delete
 duplicates every once in a while gets rid of the
 duplicates without a whole lot of effort on my part!)

M This could also be automated in Windows Scheduler so that it takes no
M effort at all. See The Bat! help file, under advanced use.

Thanks.   That's a good idea.

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 5.8.2 on WinXP sp3



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Adding The Bat to a new computer on a home network

2014-02-06 Thread Achdut18
Hello Tbudl,

I  have  recently expanded my home network to include three computers.
Previously,  it  had  one  desktop and one laptop.  I have added a new
laptop, and now want to use the desktop for no other purpose than as a
dedicated mail server so that regardless of which laptop is on site,
the  other  laptop  will  be  able  to  download and see mail.   (When
offsite, either laptop can use webmail to see the mail.) However, as I
explain below, I see some problems.

The primary installation of The Bat is on the desktop. In July 2010,
when the first laptop was acquired, I asked how to set up The Bat so
that both computers could see the same files. It was suggested I
create a backup of The Bat on the desktop. Then use the .msi file from
the desktop to setup The Bat on the laptop, but then, instead of
creating an account, restore, using the backup.

I did that.  However, I notice that new mail folders and sorting rules
subsequently created on the desktop are not seen on the laptop. Why is
that?Before  setting  up  The  Bat  on the second  laptop, can someone
explain  to  me how I can set up The Bat on our little home network so
that  any  folder  or  rule created on one laptop, will be seen on the
other  laptop? And, I need to use the desktop as the server, so that
when either laptop is offsite, the other laptop will still have access
to the mail.

This  scheme  is  designed  to mimic IMAP without using IMAP.   I have
tried,  unsuccessfully  to set up IMAP.  Other than this one, annoying
glitch, my current scheme seems to work ok.   (Well, there is a second
glitchin   that   if any mail is downloaded on one laptop, it will
not  appear  on  the second laptop (if the laptop is turned on), until
downloaded  on  the second laptop.  However, the mail will then appear
in  duplicate  in  all  of  my  non-gmail  accounts.   Running delete
duplicates every once in a while gets rid of the duplicates without a
whole lot of effort on my part!)

If  it  makes  any  difference,  both laptops run Windows 7 Pro, while the
desktop runs Win XP Pro.

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 5.8.2 on WinXP sp3



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Re: Attaching an e-mail to another e-mail

2014-01-26 Thread Achdut18
Thanks, Thomas, and to everyone who responded to my query about how to
forward  messages  as  attachments.Once  explained,  it  is really
simple, but it was a mystery until it was explained.

Since  forwarding  as  an  attachment  is  not  how  I usually forward
messages, I won't be changing the default behavior in the settings, as
several suggested; but it is nice to know that is an option.

Thanks, again!

--
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 5.8.2 on WinXP sp3

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Attaching an e-mail to another e-mail

2014-01-24 Thread Achdut18
I want to send an e-mail that has a separate e-mail attached to it. I
do not wish to embed the e-mail that I wish to attach into the body of
the text of the e-mail that I am sending.How do I accomplish this?

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 5.8.2 on WinXP sp3



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The Bat process continues to run after app is closed, sometimes

2013-12-31 Thread Achdut18
My  pc's  shutdown  process  generated  an End Program pop up notice
headlined,  End  Program  -  thebat that stated This program is not
responding. My choices are to either end now or cancel.

The  Bat  was  closed  so I looked at the processes running under Task
Manager and saw that thebat.exe was running.  IIRC, it was 284k.   So,
I  reopened  and  closed The Bat, and the same thing happened.  Now, I
can  just  end  the  process,  but  why  is  a  process running in the
background  when  The Bat is closed?   Perhaps this is somehow related
to  the  stream  write  error  message  problem  that  has  never been
resolved? (See my earlier post from Dec 2)

Bottom  line  question, though, is, why would a process be running for
The  Bat  after  having  closed the application?   Note, this does not
always happen.  

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 5.8.2 on WinXP sp3



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Re: Stream write error

2013-12-02 Thread Achdut18
Hello Jernej,


To recap for others reading this,

On October 21, I reported the following problem:

I  am  getting  annoying error messages in pop-up boxes that read as follows:

Stream write error C:\MAIL\Events.CFG The process cannot access the
file because another process has locked a portion of the file.

Clicking OK or the X will remove the box, but it will pop up again
in a few minutes. If I go away from the computer for a long period of
time, upon return I will find dozens and dozens of boxes sitting on
top of the open window of The Bat.

The error messages are sporadic in that they don't always appear in
every session of The Bat. If the messages appear on my computer, they
will also appear on my wife's computer, which has The Bat, installed,
but points to the mail files on my computer. What causes this error
message and how do I get rid of this permanently? ...The  only  way  to
temporarily  solve  the  problem is to fully shutdown the computer and
then reboot.  Sometimes this will work, sometimes it won't.   However,
even  when this works, the problem eventually reappears after a number
of days or weeks.

How can I fix this?

Monday, October 21, 2013, 11:45:44 AM, you wrote:

JS On Monday, October 21, 2013, 11:45:44, you replied:


JS Try adding the file to the exceptions list in your antivirus.

Well, this worked for a while, but the boxes are back.  The exclusions
are  still  listed in my exceptions list, so it must be something else
causing the problem.  Any ideas?

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 5.3.6.0 on WinXP sp3



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Re: setting e-mail sharing preferences in Adobe Elements 9 organizer to specify The Bat!

2013-11-29 Thread Achdut18
Hi,

Friday, November 29, 2013, 3:50:51 AM, you wrote:

(In response to my earlier query:)

 Is  it possible to set file sharing preferences in
 Adobe Elements 9 so as to specify The Bat as the e-mail
 client?



M What if I use a web-based e-mail service? If you use a web-based
M e-mail service such as Gmail™ or Yahoo® Mail, you can export your
M photos and attach them to e-mail messages. Click the Share tab, and
M select E-mail Attachments. The E-mail Attachments wizard leads you
M through the steps for creating versions of your photos that are
M suitable for e-mail.

M Maybe that is of some use?

It may be, I will give it a try and report back.

M This is just a thought; I have never used adobe Elements. After you
M have added photos in their compose message window, does it let you
M drag/drop or copy/paste those images to your desktop or into an email 
M you have open in The Bat!?

I  don't know.  I think I unsuccessfully tried that, but I will double
check to confirm.

Thanks, for your help!!
-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 5.3.6.0 on WinXP sp3



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setting e-mail sharing preferences in Adobe Elements 9 organizer to specify The Bat!

2013-11-26 Thread Achdut18
Fellow Bat users, I am stumped.

Is  it possible to set file sharing preferences in Adobe Elements 9 so
as to specify The Bat as the e-mail client?

Background:

We use Adobe Photoshop Elements and it supposedly makes it easy to
share pictures via e-mail. All one has to do is click on e-mail
attachments, drag phots to a sharing tray, write the message, select
recipients from an address book, click next, and you are done. One
small problem: Adobe assumes the entire world uses Microsoft Outlook,
and, if you don't you can go to preferences and change the e-mail
client. Unfortunately, Adobe locks in three options: Microsoft
Outlook, Windows Live Mail, or Adobe E-mail Service. I find Adobe's
forums totally useless, so I am hoping that someone on this list knows
a work-around that will allow me to set The Bat as my e-mail
preference for sharing photos. Otherwise, the only way to attach
photos in The Bat is by going to Utilities and attach a file. But,
this is tedious when you have to navigate a file tree and find one,
two, five or ten pictures amongst 10,000 pictures, all of which are in
multiple levels of folders. It would be a lot easier to be able to use
Adobe  Elements,  but  that  application  seemingly permits its e-mail
sharing  facility  to only be used by users of one of the three e-mail
clients mentioned above.  Any suggestions?

-- 
Avi,

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver. 5.8.8 on WinXP pro, sp3



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Re: Stream write error

2013-11-01 Thread Achdut18
Hello Jernej,

Monday, October 21, 2013, 11:45:44 AM, Jernej Simončič  wrote:

JS On Monday, October 21, 2013, 3:16:17, Achdut18 wrote:

I  am  getting  annoying error messages that read as follows:

Stream write error C:\MAIL\Events.CFG The process cannot access the
file because another process has locked a portion of the file.

 How can I fix this?

JS Try adding the file to the exceptions list in your antivirus.


I  just  want  to  publicly  thank Jernei for his assistance with this
problem. I  don't  know why adding the file to the exceptions list
solves  the  problem,  but it has.   Moreover, another computer in the
house  that  points to The Bat files on the primary computer continued
to  produce  the stream write error messages, even after I fixed the
problem  on  the  primary computer.  However, after adding the file to
the  exceptions  list  on  the  second computer, the problem vanished.
(At least, so far, so good...)

While I don't understand why this works, thanks, again!

-- 
Avi
Avram Sacks, using The Bat! ver 5.8.2 on WinXP Pro sp3



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Stream write error

2013-10-21 Thread Achdut18
I  am  getting  annoying error messages that read as follows:

Stream write error C:\MAIL\Events.CFG The process cannot access the
file because another process has locked a portion of the file.

The error message appears in a pop up box in The Bat. Clicking OK or
the  X  will  remove  the  box,  but  it  will pop up again in a few
minutes.If  I go away from the computer for a long period of time,
upon  return I will find dozens and dozens of boxes just like, sitting
on top of the open window of The Bat.

The error messages are sporadic in that they don't always appear in
every session of The Bat. If the messages appear on my computer, they
will also appear on my wife's computer, which has The Bat, installed,
but points to the mail files on my computer. What causes this error
message and how do I get rid of this permanently? The error had
appeared  on an older computer that I still use (but not for The Bat).
After  transferring  The Bat to a newer computer (but still used), the
messages  didn't  appear for many months.  However, following a series
of  Windws  upgrades,  the  messages  are  back.The  only  way  to
temporarily  solve  the  problem is to fully shutdown the computer and
then reboot.  Sometimes this will work, sometimes it won't.   However,
even  when this works, the problem eventually reappears after a number
of days or weeks.

How can I fix this?

-- 
Avi
Using The Bat! Pro ver. 5.8.2 on Win XP sv3

Avram Sacks
Skokie, IL



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hanging indents

2013-05-21 Thread Achdut18
Hi, all.

Is it possible to create a message in TB that has hanging indents? I
have searched both the archives and the Help facility and have found
nothing. It would appear to be possible because one can have a
bulleted or numbered list in HTML, but I don't want the bullets or the
numbers as listed. I want my own hanging indents. Can it be done?

 --
 Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Pro ver. 5.3.8.0 on WinXP sp3



Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: secure use of The Bat

2013-05-10 Thread Achdut18
Hi Roelof,



Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 3:13:41 PM, you wrote:

A c.  Does  this  mean outgoing messages will be encrypted such that the
A recipient will need a key to open the messages or, am I confusing what
A is called PGP with message base encryption?
RO
RO The messages will be sent unencrypted unless you're using somnething
RO like PGP.

 How  does  PGP  work?   Can  I  use  it  with  my pro version or is
 something else required?

 Functionally,  if  I  choose  to use this with each client, does each
 client   receive   a  separate key?  How does the client get the key?
 Is  it  sent  via  regular  e-mail?   If  so, were THAT piece of mail
 hacked, that would compromise security, wouldn't it?

  What will the e-mail look like to
 someone who does not have the key?

 The  point here is to figure out to what degree I can use e-mail with
 clients and maintain client confidentiality.


RO As for starting OTFE.
RO Create a backup with TB.
RO Unistall TB
RO Delete the existing message base
RO Delete the registry settings for TB
RO Install TB again
RO On TB's first run tell it to  use OTFE
RO Restore the backup

Thanks,  so  much,  for  your  help.   Again,  these may be elementary
questions, but I want to make sure this is done right.

When  I  delete  the existing message base, how do I do this?  Through
Windows Explorer?  What files will I be looking for?

How  does  one  delete  registry setting for TB?   Again, it is likely
obvious   to   experts,   but   for   the rest of us mortals... not so
easy.

Once OTFE is started, will backups also be encrypted?

Thanks.

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat!  Professional Ed. ver. 5.3.6.0 on WinXP sp3



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Re: secure use of The Bat

2013-05-10 Thread Achdut18
Hello Roelof,

Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 3:13:41 PM, you wrote:


A c.  Does  this  mean outgoing messages will be encrypted such that the
A recipient will need a key to open the messages or, am I confusing what
A is called PGP with message base encryption?

RO The messages will be sent unencrypted unless you're using somnething
RO like PGP.

I  forgot  to ask:  if I want to use PGP with a client, does that mean
that they also need to use The Bat as their e-mail client?

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat!  Professional Ed. ver. 5.3.6.0 on WinXP sp3



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Re: secure use of The Bat

2013-05-07 Thread Achdut18
Hello Roelof,

Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 10:53:03 AM, you wrote:

A 1. requiring use of a password to open The Bat

RO Yes, switch to an encrypted message base,

Need hand-holding here.

a. What does this functionally mean? If the message base is encrypted,
does this protect messages, even if someone someone hacks the computer
and is somehow able to access the folders where messages are stored
without opening The Bat?

b. How does one encrypt an existing message base? Will this encrypt
all accounts?  Or must each account be individually encrypted?

c.  Does  this  mean outgoing messages will be encrypted such that the
recipient will need a key to open the messages or, am I confusing what
is called PGP with message base encryption?

d. I have over a dozen e-mail accounts. Possibly, I might only be
interested in securing one of them. To do that, I would just secure
the  account  as opposed to the entire message base?   Is this done by
going to account and set access password?

A 2.   setting   up   client folders within a mail account such that the
A folders  can only be opened with a password

RO When using a plain message base, you can set passwords on accounts,
RO but not on folders. Thios option is unavailable with OTFE

What is OTFE?

A 3.  requiring  the use of a password to open up mail from a designated
A e-mail address.

RO Not possible.

Now,  I am really confused.  You wrote that I can set a password on an
account,  but  then  you said it isn't possible to open up mail from a
designated e-mail address.  When I asked the question, I was intending
to   ask   if   it  is  possible  to  require the use of a password to
open  mail  that  comes  into a designated account that I own, i.e., a
particular  e-mail address.

A using The Bat Professional Edition ver 5.3.8 on Windows XP Pro, sp3.

RO If I were you I'd go for OTFE, you've got the license for it and it is
RO the most secure option.

Again. Please explain what this is; how it works, and how to initiate
it. Whatever option I use, I don't think I want to involve clients in
having to use a key to open e-mail that is sent. It would be too
complicated.

RO BTW Your signature delimiter doesn't work as intended...my guess
RO is that you didn't include the trailing space.

Yes.  I forgot the space!  And, thanks for your help!

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using The Bat! Prof. ed. ver. 5.3.8.0 on WinXP Pro sp3



























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secure use of The Bat

2013-05-06 Thread Achdut18
In anticipation of using e-mail for client mail, I am wondering if any
of the following is possible:

1. requiring use of a password to open The Bat
2.   setting   up   client folders within a mail account such that the
folders  can only be opened with a password
3.  requiring  the use of a password to open up mail from a designated
e-mail address.

--
Avi
Avram Sacks
using The Bat Professional Edition ver 5.3.8 on Windows XP Pro, sp3.



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associating The Bat with Google Chrome

2013-01-29 Thread Achdut18
When ever there is a web link embedded in an e-mail and I click on
that link, Internet Explorer is used to open the web page. How do I go
about changing this so that the default browser is Google Chrome
(which loads wy faster!). I cannot find anything in the
preferences window that would allow me to change this.

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks, using TB ver 5.3.6.0 on Win XP Pro sp3.

Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re: associating The Bat with Google Chrome

2013-01-29 Thread Achdut18
Hello Jack,

Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 7:42:40 AM, Jack LaRosa  wrote:

A  How do I go
A about changing this so that the default browser is Google Chrome

***

PB Something like this: In Internet Explorer - Tools at top right - Internet
PB options - Programs - Internet programs - Set program - Set your default
PB program

JSL Wait a minute.  I thought TB!  always used whatever the operating system's
JSL default browser was.  If so, while running Chrome click on the far right 
icon
JSL (looks like three horizontal lines) to get the drop-down menu which 
contains the
JSL SETTINGS sub-menu.  That first screen in that sub-menu has an option to 
make
JSL Chrome the system's default browser.

***

Yes, Jack, your instructions worked.  Thanks, for your help!

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks using The Bat! ver. 5.3.6.0 on Win XP Pro sp3

Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re: occasional filter failures + missing data

2012-11-05 Thread Achdut18
Hello Roelof,

Wednesday, October 24, 2012, 3:46:43 AM, you wrote:

RO Hallo Avram,

RO On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 03:29:41 -0500GMT (23-10-2012, 10:29 , where I
RO live), you wrote:

RO It's using the same message base, is that by using the same mail
RO directory or is it using a local mail directory with some extra
RO pointing to specific account folders?
RO You can check that by searching for the mail directory.
RO The place where you configure where your mail directory is located is:
RO  Options - Preferences - System - Mail Directory

To review: I asked why messages for two of 14 e-mail accounts do not get 
properly filtered into subfolders in those accounts and noted that on a laptop 
attached to the network, those subfolders show zero messages.  I was able to 
determine that the laptop's mail comes in from the hard drive of the desktop.  
Although it would appear that the laptop is not using a local mail directory, 
and instead, points directly to the desktop's hard drive,  when mail is 
downloaded on to the laptop, that has previously been downloaded on to the main 
pc, that mail appears in duplicate.  Not sure why. 

-- 
Avi
Avram Sacks
Using The Bat ver. 4.2.44.2 on Win XP pro sp3

Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re: mass mailing using group name

2012-11-04 Thread Achdut18
I had asked:

 Now, I wish
 to send a mass mailing in which only the group name
 appears in the to field.   How is that done?
 
To which MFPA replied:

M Put it in the BCC field instead. And generate an appropriate address
M to use in the To field, if you do not want it left blank.

Unfortunately, this merely hides the list of recipients.  It does not get the 
group name in the header to be seen by the recipients.  

Any other suggestions?

-- 
Avi
Avram Sacks
Using TB ver 4.2.44.2 on Win XP Pro Sp3

Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


curious error message

2012-10-29 Thread Achdut18
Hi,

When I open up The Bat, I get the following error message:

PostMessage to NULL handle, Msg = 3021, wParam = 0, lParam = o

The Bat seems to operate fine, otherwise (except for filtering issue reported 
earlier, that I haven't yet dealt with).

Any ideas as to what is causing this?  Need I be concerned?

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks
Using TB 4.2.44.2 on Win XP PRO, sp3

Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re: occasional filter failures + missing data

2012-10-23 Thread Achdut18
Hello Roelof,

Thanks for your response.  See my comments below

Tuesday, October 23, 2012, 1:56:28 AM, you wrote:


A However, within the past 5-6 months, I have observed that a small
A number of messages for those accounts do not get filtered with each
A mail download and remain in an account's inbox until I use the
A re-filter tool to properly distribute those messages. 

RO Are those pop3 or imap accounts?

These are pop3 accounts

RO You're using v4.2.44. Have you considered upgrading to v5.0.36 that's
RO the last version that should work with a v4 license.
RO (http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/archive_versions/)

Thanks.  I hadn't considered it, but I will now. :-)

RO Is the laptop that accesses the same message base using the same
RO version?

Yes

RO It's using the same message base, is that by using the same mail
RO directory or is it using a local mail directory with some extra
RO pointing to specific account folders?

I am not sure. I thought it was using the same message base.  But, concurrent 
with this problem, I have observed that one subfolder in each of two separate 
mail accounts show zero messages on the laptop, while the thousands of 
messages in these subfolders are all in place on the desktop computer.   Could 
that be a sign that a local mail directory is used, with extra pointers to 
specific folders?   If so, how do I fix this?


-- 
Avi
Avram Sacks
Using The Bat 4.2.44.2 on WinXP sp3

Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re: Embedding jpeg image into mass mailing template

2012-08-20 Thread Achdut18
This is a much belated public thank you to Rick and Marck for their helping me 
to learn how to embed a jpeg image into an outgoing mass mailing template.   
Ultimately, I learned that my older version of The Bat did not allow me to do 
what I wanted to do and I needed to upgrade, which I did, from 4.0.18 to 
4.2.44.2.  This made a huge difference.   

Being able to set up a template that allows for me to send a personalized 
e-mail via a mass mailing, using my contact list, highlights the beauty of The 
Bat.  I am not sure I would have been able to do this with another e-mail 
client that is so readily accessible.

Once again, thanks!

-- 
Avi
Avram Sacks
Using The Bat ver. 4.2.44.2, on WinXP Pro sp3.

Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


sending messages to a group; templates

2012-07-08 Thread Achdut18
Hi, everyone,

I want to send an invitation to a group. I created a group of contacts
(Invitation to Friends and Relatives). However, I want each
recipient to see only their own name and e-mail address in the to
field. If I put the group name in the to field, such as Invitation
to Friends and Relatives list the every display name and e-mail
address appears in the to field of a recipient's e-mail. On the
other hand, if I place either individual e-mail addresses OR the group
name in the BCC field, NO address appears in the header. That is, the
to field is blank.

(1) Is there a way to send an e-mail to a group such that ONLY the
recipient's e-mail address appears in the to field?

Related to this question is how the recipient's address actually
appears.  Let's say John Doe is married to Jane and has an e-mail
address, john...@gmail.com.  When I send an invitation to John and
Jane, I just don't want the to field to show the e-mail address, or
even John's first name. Rather, I would want the to field to show
something like:

John and Jane Doe john...@gmail.com

 I thought I could set up each contact's nickname to reflect how I
would want the names to appear in the to field, but it appears that
only the display name is grabbed for this purpose.  Can I change it
so that the nickname is grabbed?  Right now, in order to get the
names to appear the way I want them is to place in the first name
field for the contact, the following: John and Jane   Is this correct, is this
what I have to do in order to yield an address that appears:

John and Jane Doe john...@gmail.com

(3) Finally, I want to personalize each e-mail by placing into the the
e-mail's salutation whatever I have placed in a contact's Nickname.
Sometimes it will be Dear John and Jane but other times the
salutation will be Dear, John, Jane, and Charlie where Charlie is
John and Jane's minor child, who lives with them. So, I
created a quick template with the following content (following
the guidelines of the Mass Mailing Tutorial),

Dear %ABtoNICKNAME

However, when I send an e-mail to a test group using this salutation,
only Dear appears in the recipient's e-mail salutation and not,
Dear John, Jane, and Charlie  What am I
doing wrong?



//Avi



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Re[2]: sending messages to a group; templates

2012-07-08 Thread Achdut18
Hello Marck,

Sunday, July 8, 2012, 4:50:17 PM, you wrote:


A (1) Is there a way to send an e-mail to a group such that ONLY the
A recipient's e-mail address appears in the to field?

MP This is the exact purpose for which the Mass Mailing feature was
MP designed. It will mean generating individual emails for each
MP recipient, but that seems to be the requirement anyway.

MP You can use
MP %TO='%ABtoHANDLE %TOADDR'
MP to set the addressing of the email as you wish.

I am still confused.  This may be elementary, but I need some step by
step hand-holding.

If I create a mail message that I want to go to all 100 contacts in a
group, what do I do to easily accomplish that? The only way I know to
get a mail message to automatically go to everyone in the group is to
open up the address book, highlight the group and then click on new
message. The group handle will appear in the to field followed by
list

If I send the e-mail that way, every address will appear in the to
field in the recipient's e-mail.  If I cut and paste that information
into the BCC field, then the recipient won't see anything in the to
field.

I tried to place   %ABtoHANDLE %TOADDR  in the to field, but that
yielded an error message:

Message has not been sent. Server reply - 5.1.2 or other punctuation
after the recipient's email address. qo3sm17010535igc.8

MP ... snip

A (3) Finally, I want to personalize each e-mail by placing into the
A e-mail's salutation whatever I have placed in a contact's
A Nickname.Dear John, Jane, and Charlie What am I doing wrong?

MP This specific field is accessed as %ABtoHANDLE.

This didn't work either.  I wrote in the body of the e-mail (without
the quotation marks) the following:

Dear %ABtoHANDLE,

However, my test e-mails were received with the above text, as if
%ABto HANDLE was a name like any other rather than a signal to
insert the text of what actually was in the handle for each contact,
such as John, Jane and Charlie

What am I doing wrong?

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks
Using The Bat ver. 4.0.18 on WinXP Pro sp3 and Win7 Home



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adding account to two computers

2012-07-06 Thread Achdut18
Hi,

We use two computers for The Bat in our home office. Each pc has an
identical account list. Each downloads mail independently from the
same servers.  I recently added a new mail account to the list of
accounts on one computer. I attempted to add this same account to the
other pc by copying and pasting the account folder from one pc to the
other using windows explorer.  However, when I opened up The Bat on
the second pc, the new account does not show up.

What did I do wrong and how can I fix this? Do I have to create from
scratch the new account on the second PC as well?

FWIW, both computers have the same version of The Bat:  4.0.18; the
first pc uses Windows XP Pro SP3, while the second pc uses Windows 7
Home.

-- 
Avi
Avram Sacks

Using The Bat ver. 4.0.18, on Windows XP Pro sp3 and Win 7 Home sp1

Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re[2]: confirmation receipts

2012-07-02 Thread Achdut18
Hi, Paul,

Thanks for your response!  I tested it and it worked perfectly.

Thanks, again.
-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks



Sunday, July 1, 2012, 11:40:06 PM, you wrote:

PB Hello TBUDL@thebat.,

PB Monday, July 2, 2012, 2:13:18 PM, you wrote:

A Hi, all,

A Does The Bat have a functionality that allows a sender of a message
A to receive automatic confirmation that the recipient has opened the
A message?

A I will occasionally receive in Outlook e-mail from colleagues, that,
A when opened, also opens up a pop-up dialogue box that asks me if I
A want to send confirmation of the receipt of the message to the
A sender.  Does this functionality exist in The Bat or, is it even
A possible to know if the message was opened without providing the
A recipient the option of confirming or not confirming receipt of the
A message.

A I will soon be sending hold the date e-mails to a large group and
A it would be nice to know which people in the group at the least, opened up 
the
A e-mail.

A Thanks for any help you can provide.



PB Account - Properties - Templates - New message

PB At foot of window you can tick:

PB Receipt Request

PB Reading Confirmation

PB Note also that as an individual user you can set it to ignore such
PB requests from senders:

PB Account - Properties - Templates - Reading Confirmation - Ignore





-- 
Best regards,
 Achdut18mailto:achdu...@gmail.com



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Re[2]: confirmation receipts

2012-07-02 Thread Achdut18
Thanks to both Paul and Jack for their responses.  I tested it and it
worked perfectly.   I am sure there is a lot of functionality that
The Bat has that users like me are not aware of.

BTW, apologies to the list for having just sent a thank-you note that
did not follow list protocol because it reflected top posting. That
message was not intended for the list. Unfortunately, because I belong
to a number of list servs, many of which send replies directly to the
sender rather than to the list, when I hit reply and saw the sender's
name come up in the to field, I failed to look further and note
that the actual address was to the list.

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks

Using The Bat 4.0.18 on Win XP pro sp3

Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


confirmation receipts

2012-07-01 Thread Achdut18
Hi, all,

Does The Bat have a functionality that allows a sender of a message
to receive automatic confirmation that the recipient has opened the
message?

I will occasionally receive in Outlook e-mail from colleagues, that,
when opened, also opens up a pop-up dialogue box that asks me if I
want to send confirmation of the receipt of the message to the
sender.  Does this functionality exist in The Bat or, is it even
possible to know if the message was opened without providing the
recipient the option of confirming or not confirming receipt of the
message.

I will soon be sending hold the date e-mails to a large group and
it would be nice to know which people in the group at the least, opened up the
e-mail.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

-- 
Avi
Avram Sacks

Using The Bat ver. 4.0.18 on Win XP, sp3.

Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re[2]: formatting

2011-12-22 Thread Achdut18
Hello Jack,
Hi, Jack.

On Friday, December 16, 2011, 3:14:03 PM, in response to my question:

A Is it possible to have left and right margins with hanging indents,
A etc. when sending an e-mail that is not plain text?   One can
A format an e-mail in Outlook, just as if they were writing in Word.
A However, I can't figure out how to do that when sending an HTML post
A via The Bat.  Indeed, when I copied text from a Word Document into an
A e-mail, I lost inset margins.

You wrote:

JSL Keeping in mind that I have no idea of what I speak, is it
JSL possible that any formatting codes imbedded in a Word
JSL document might not be understood by TB!? Or have I just
JSL totally misunderstood what you're asking?

I was not totally clear. I understand that TB might not be able to
understand embedded codes in Word. What I wanted to know is this: Is
it possible to create in The Bat, inset margins, true hanging indents
and right-hand margins?  This is a functionality present in Outlook.
I wanted to know if it was possible to have this functionality in The
Bat?

-- 
Avi
Avram Sacks
using TB ver. 4.0.18   on Win XP Pro sp3



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formatting

2011-12-15 Thread Achdut18
Hi, all,

Is it possible to have left and right margins with hanging indents,
etc. when sending an e-mail that is not plain text?   One can
format an e-mail in Outlook, just as if they were writing in Word.
However, I can't figure out how to do that when sending an HTML post
via The Bat.  Indeed, when I copied text from a Word Document into an
e-mail, I lost inset margins.

Thanks.

--
Avi
Avram Sacks
using TB ver. 4.0.18 on Win XP Pro SP3



Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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disappearng content

2011-12-15 Thread Achdut18
Hi, again,

Does anyone know why, when I open The Bat, the application will open,
but with NO messages in the message list?  The menu on the left will
open, but no messages appear on the right.  I have to close and
reopen anywhere from 3-6 times before the message list appears.
FWIW, I DO have an aging machine--in six days it will be 10 years
old.  And, it's hard drive is 96% filled.  Could this have something
to do with it?

I also have a LOT of e-mail.  My Bat Mail subdirectory is 8.32GB.

-- 
Avi
Avram Sacks
Using The Bat ver4.0.18 on Windows XP Pro SP3



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Re[2]: disappearng content

2011-12-15 Thread Achdut18
Hello Roelof,

Thursday, December 15, 2011, 4:40:46 PM, you wrote:


A Does anyone know why, when I open The Bat, the application will open,
A but with NO messages in the message list? 

RO My guess is that you're too impatient. Considering the age of your PC,
RO the  size  of your message base and presuming that you open TB as soon
RO as  your  system is starting, I think that your pc is still busy doing
RO its  startup stuff and that it doesn't have the processing power to do
RO everything at the same time.

Maybe, but I just emptied a bunch of trash bins, got rid of a number
of large size messages and ran the maintenance center on everything
to get rid of duplicated messages and compressed everything.  I
closed The Bat and then tried to reopen.  The first time, it hung for
a bunch of minutes.  I then closed the application and reopened
immediately. This time it promptly opened up without any hanging.



RO What  might  help  is  making your folders smaller, that means more of
RO them,  but TB needs time to read the folder and a larger folderr takes
RO more time to open than a small folder.


Well, I just ran a compression on all of my mailboxes, but every time
I close The Bat, I see a pop up that says it's compressing

-- 
Avi
Avram Sacks
Using The BAT 4.0.18 on Win XP pro sp 3



Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


scanning to TB e-mail

2011-11-15 Thread Achdut18
Hi, everyone.

How does one configure a setup to enable a printer to scan a document
and attach it to an e-mail, automatically?

I have a Brother MFC8840D. It allows me to scan to e-mail. I
configured the printer's software control box to designate The Bat
as my e-mail client.

When I click on the scan to e-mail button, the printer will scan and
The Bat will open up a dialogue box asking me to indicate which of my
accounts I want to send the e-mail from and for a password.

When I indicate the account and password, a blank e-mail will open
up, but there is no attachment.

What am I doing wrong?

-- 
Avi
Avram Sacks
Using The Bat ver. 4.0.18, on Win XP Pro

Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


missing all mail in several folders

2011-05-18 Thread Achdut18
Hi,

Mail appears to be missing in a number of mail folders, even though the
mail can be seen on the mother computer.  Can you help me fix this?

Background: We use The Bat on two computers, a desktop (DT) and a
laptop (LT) which are networked. The original installation was on the
DT. All mail folders on the LT''s installation of The Bat points to
the folders on the DT as the source folders for the messages. Mail is
obtained from both gmail as well as several other domains and flows
into over a dozen different e-mail addresses. For most addresses, mail
is further sorted into subfolders, depending upon the sender's name.
However, at least three mailbox folders on the LT now display no
messages, even though the size column displays a correct volume
size, as shown on the DT. Most of the folders that are not displaying
messages on the LT are inbox folders. However, these folders on the
DT display all messages. Running the repair tool in the maintenance
center yields messages that these folders cannot be repaired. Creating
a folder on the LT named inbox new and pointing to the inbox folder
on the DT yields nothing. I have run virus scans and everything comes
up clean. The log file for at least one of the inboxes that displays
no messages says for several messages 5/18/2011, 07:09:04: FETCH -
could not store message (file name -
C:\Users\Annette\AppData\Local\Temp\batC42.tmp)  with Annette
being the account name and the .tmp file name varies for each
unstored message.

Short of uninstalling The Bat on the LT and reinstalling it, is there
anything else I can do to recover the messages on the laptop?  By the
say, for those folders for which no messages are displayed, when I
click on properties and additional, the word browse is greyed
out, thus preventing me from repointing the folder to the source data
folder on the DT.

Any help you can provide would be appreciated.

--
Avram Sacks
Using The Bat ver. 4.0.18 on Windows 7  Home



Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re[2]: How to get CC line to appear in printout

2011-03-15 Thread Achdut18
Hi, Robin,

You wrote, on Mon. Mar 14, 2011, in response to my query about
getting the CC line to automatically appear or disappear, when an
e-mail is printed, depending upon whether or not there are any
entries in the CC field:


RA Yes, put this in instead of the CC: line you currently have

RA %If:%OCCList:CC:  %OCCList
RA :%-

Thanks.  Just to be clear,

My current CC line says:

CC: %CClist

Are you saying that I should remove

CC: %CC

and replace it with the following:

CC: %If:%OCCList:
CC: %OCCList:%-

If so, this did not work.  What this yielded were two CC lines: one
that had the list of CC'd names and addresses and one that had just
CC: followed by blank space.

-- 
Avi
Avram Sacks

Using TheBat! ver. 4.0.18 on Win XP Pro.







Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re[2]: How to get CC line to appear in printout

2011-03-14 Thread Achdut18
Hi Thomas and Miguel,

Monday, March 14, 2011, 10:46:11 AM, Miguel  wrote in response to my
query about how to get a CC line to appear and include all
individuals in the list when printing an e-mail message and how to
get it to automatically not appear when there are no CC'd individuals::

[from Thomas]
Yes. Alas, I don't have it as I don't use it. check out the library at
http://cgi.silverstones.com/library.php hosted by Marck, or the
TheBat! Wiki hosted by Leif http://www.pcwize.com/ (but I cannot find
the direct URL right now).

M And look for Titles 'Recipient list' and 'Recipient list - indented', 
M both by Januk Aggarwal. Look for the V2 versions of each. They both 
M include an 'example print QT' using the %IF macro to not include a field
M (like CC) if it is empty.  


First, thanks to you both for taking the time to respond. I am not
sure that there is any difference between %CC and %CClist, since they
both will list all of the names on the list.

Alas, my law school training did not include a course on writing
macros or templates [:-)] and the degree of detail is a bit beyond my
comprehension without a lot of study. I found the titles by Januk
Aggarwal, but didn't see anything about getting a CC or BCC line to
automatically disappear when those fields are empty. TheBat! Wiki
(which I didn't know existed) looks interesting and, in the long run
will help me to learn how to utilize the power of The Bat. However,
after spending time perusing macros and templates and a few other
areas, I didn't find anything that would automatically include a CC or
BCC line depending upon whether or not a field is empty.

If someone can spell out for me exactly what I should put in the
template to accomplish this, it would be very much appreciated.
Thanks.

-- 
Avi
Avram Sacka
Using The BAT! ver. 4.0.18 on Win XP Pro





Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


How to get CC line to appear in printout

2011-03-13 Thread Achdut18
When printing messages that I have either sent or received, I want
the CC line to appear.  However, I am unable to get the names of
the recipients and their e-mail addresses to appear.  Currently,
print setup is as follows:

%CC=%BCC=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
From: %FromName %FromAddr
  To: %ToName %ToAddr
  CC: %CCName %CCAddr
Date: %ODateEn %OTimeLongEn
 Subject: %Subj
  Folder: %FolderName/%AccountName
-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
%Text

-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

I guessed what should go in the CC line, since that was not part of
the default template. I obviously guessed wrong since what prints in
the CC line is the following:

CC: 

In other words, only the right and left arrows appear, and not the
actual addresses.  What do I put in the CC line of the print setup to
insure that the names of all individuals that are CC'd and their
addresses appear?  I want this to be the default for all printed
messages.

Thanks.

--
Avi
Avram Sacks
Using TB ver. 4.0.18 on WinXP Pro.




Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


How to get CC line to appear in printout

2011-03-13 Thread Achdut18
After a lot of trial and error, I finally figured it out...but only
partially. The instructions under help are not a model of clarity
by any stretch of the imagination.  However, I determined that by
deleting  the text: %CC=  from the top and adding %CC to the CC
field, I can get the recipients in the CC field to show when the mail
message is printed:

%BCC=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
From: %FromName %FromAddr
  To: %ToName %ToAddr
  CC: %CC
Date: %ODateEn %OTimeLongEn
 Subject: %Subj
-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
%Text

-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

However, when I print a mail message with no CC'd individuals, the CC
line appears and is blank.  Can I have my cake and eat it too?  I
want the CC line to automatically appear in a print out when there are CC'd
individuals and I want the CC line to automatically not appear at all
when there are no CC'd individuals.  I don't want to have to change
the template each time. Is there a single template that will do what
I want?

--
Avi
Avram Sacks
Using TB ver. 4.0.18 on WinXP Pro.




Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


The Bat, Windows 7, transfer to new laptop on home network

2011-01-09 Thread Achdut18
Hi, all,

I have used The Bat for 8 yrs 5 mos.  I am replacing a computer on
our home network with a laptop that uses Windows 7.

a. any issues I need to be aware of in using the The Bat with Windows
7 before installing The Bat on the new computer?  I currently use
ver. 4.0.18.  Is it necessary to download the latest version of the
The Bat in order to make sure that The Bat will be compatible with
Windows 7.





Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


junk plugins not installed?

2010-08-05 Thread Achdut18
Hi, everyone!

After being spam free for as long as we have had a private domain, we
are now occasionally receiving junk mail in the inbox of one of our
private domain e-mail accounts (not the one used for this list).

When deleting the e-mail, I clicked on specials/junk e-mail and
received the following error message before the e-mail was shifted to
the junk folder:

  No plug-ins with learning facilities installed.

  What plugins?   What do I need to install to have this work?  Why
  wouldn't it be a part of The Bat software?



--
All the best,

Avi

using The Bat ver 4.0.1.8 on Windows XP Pro sp3 AND
on Windows 7 Premium Home



Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re[2]: Transferring The Bat to new computer on 2 computer network

2010-07-14 Thread Achdut18
Hello Hajdú,

Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 1:04:03 AM, you wrote in response to my
question, What is the best way to set up The Bat on a new computer
when that computer is attached to a home network that has 2 computers
running The Bat? the following:

HZ Backup on the old laptop with all the account settings, install a copy
HZ of TB! on the new one and instead of creating an account, restore.


Thank you very much.  I do have a few more questions that probably
seem very elementary:

I am able to create a backup file.  I presume that is the .tbk file.
However, I need more specific guidance about installing a copy of TB
on the new laptop  and the restore. Do I download a copy of TB  from the
Ritlabs website?  If not, what file am I copying from the old laptop
to the new laptop for the installation?  Do you recommend using the
most recent version, or will I avoid headaches by using the version
that I have without upgrading?

Then, will I be prompted to restore during the install process, or do I
wait until after that process is complete to then restore?

If I wait until after the install is complete, do I then just go to
Tools/Restore, check all the boxes and then highlight the .tbk file
after clicking on add?

-- 
Avi
Avram Sacks
Using The Bat 4.0.18 on Windows XP Pro SP3; soon on Windows 7







Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Transferring The Bat to new computer on 2 computer network

2010-07-13 Thread Achdut18
Hi, everyone,

What is the best way to set up The Bat on a new computer when that
computer is attached to a home network that has 2 computers running
The Bat?  It has been awhile since I added The Bat to a second
computer, so, I don't recall exactly what I did.

Currently, we have The Bat installed on two computers, a desktop and
a laptop.  The laptop is being replaced.

The mail directory only resides on the desktop pc. The second computer,
a laptop, has, under Account/Properties/Files and Directories the home
directory pointing to the Mail folder of the desktop pc. Mail is only
downloaded and stored on the desktop. However, the download operation
can be initiated from either the desktop, or the laptop when it is
connected to the network. Mail downloaded by one computer into the
desktop Mail directory can be seen, read, replied to, etc., by either
computer on the network.  This setup allows two users on the home
network to have access to the same mail, regardless of which computer
is being used.

What is the best way to install The Bat on the new laptop in order to
retain account settings and allow both users to have the same access
to downloaded mail?

Should I download from the Ritlabs website a new installation of
The Bat and then point the mail directory to the shared Mail folder
on the desktop?

If so, how do I make sure that all of the current settings, including
the address book and 22 filters currently running, work on the new
laptop? I suspect that there are registry entries that would need to
be copied to the new laptop. Is this true?

If so, how do I do that?

The new laptop is running Windows 7 while the other computers are
running Windows XP Pro SP3. Do I need to have the same version of The
Bat running on all of the computers in order to insure that there
won't be any file or registry entry conflicts?

Finally, I am currently using ver. 4.0.18.  Is the newest version
ready for prime time?  Am I better off staying with ver. 4.0.18?

Thanks for your help.

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks
Chicago
Using The Bat ver. 4.0.18 on Windows XP Pro SP3, and soon on Windows 7





Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


embedding pdf file in e-mail

2010-01-28 Thread Achdut18
I want to embed into an e-mail a pdf file.  (Actually, it is an MS
Pub 2003 file converted to a .pdf file).  However, when I try to
insert the image, I get an error message that says error file image
loading.

I have the format setting for the e-mail on HTML/Plain text.

If I convert the Pub file to jpeg, there is loss of definition when I
try to reduce the size of the image in the email.  Is it not possible
to embed pdf files into an e-mail?

Any suggestions?

-- 
Avi

Avram Sacks
using The Bat 4.0.18 on Win XP Pro SP3



Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


new mail account missing from networked computer

2009-09-03 Thread Achdut18
Hi, everyone,

I recently set up a new mail account in The Bat on one of two
computers connected to a router-based network.  The desktop pc that I
used to create the new account also functions in a server-like
capacity so as to enable a network-connected laptop to download,
read mail, and create new messages.  It has been a while, so I don't
recall exactly how I set this up, but I do remember that I separately
installed The Bat on to the laptop, but then set options so as to
point the application to access the mail folder on the desktop.  I
may have also done something with registry files, but I honestly
don't recall.  Mail downloaded on the desktop can be read on the
laptop without a separate download, and any mail that is read on the
desktop will show on the laptop as being read, and vice versa. So,
clearly the laptop is looking at the same data folder as the desktop.
 However, the laptop does not seem to be able to see the new mail
 account.  I even copied into the laptop's program directory file for
 The Bat the subfolder for the new account.  What am I doing wrong?

 --

 Avi

 Avram Sacks
 Chicago
  
 Using The Bat! ver. 4.0.18 on Windows XP sp3 (still haven't moved to
 a Mac)



Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re[2]: The Bat and Mac computing

2009-08-17 Thread Achdut18
Hello Regina,

 Monday, August 17, 2009, 12:53:28 AM, you wrote:

RK Yes, I switched over to a Mac about a month ago with VMWare Fusion.
RK Everything works great with thebat! and all your other windows-based
RK programs.

 This sounds very encouraging. There is an additional component that I
 neglected to write about in my first post:

 I use The Bat in two locally networked computers.  One is a pc desktop, that 
has the
 initial installation of The Bat.  The second is a laptop on which I
 have loaded The Bat, but when The Bat is accessed, it reads mail off
 of the desktop.  Mail can be downloaded and sent from either
 machine, and viewed simultaneously; however the mail actually resides on the 
desktop, with
 the laptop's registry files merely indicating that the actual mail
 files are  residing on the desktop.  Do you know if this type of
 network setup will work when running XP inside of VMware's Fusion?
 I expect the desktop will be switched to a Mac at some point, but
 not right away.


-- 

Avi

Avram Sacks

Using The Bat 4.0.18 on Windows XP Pro sp3



Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


The Bat and Mac computing

2009-08-16 Thread Achdut18
I am contemplating switching from a Windows machine to a Mac.
However, I will need to run some windows-based software, so I would
get something like VMware's Fusion that would allow me to do this.

Has anyone used The Bat on a Mac, either directly, or using windows
emulation software, such Fusion?  If so, what has been your
experience?

Avi

-- 
Avram Sacks

Using The Bat! 4Ver. 4.0.18 with Windows XP Pro.



Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


sending mail to groups

2009-08-10 Thread Achdut18
Hi, Everyone,

Is it possible to send mail to a group, using the group name in the
To field, without The Bat expanding all addresses into the field
when sending?  The Help file suggests that this is not possible.  I am
not interested in personalizing the messages (at least, not at the
moment). Rather, I want to know that if I send a mailing, say, to the
Ways and Means committee, can it be sent in such a way that the
recipients will see in the to field Ways and Means Committee
rather than the individual e-mail addresses of each member?

--
Avram Sacks
using The Bat ver. 4.0.20 on Windows XP Pro, sp2




Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


cannot open messge base file from networked computer

2009-01-14 Thread Achdut18
Hi, everyone,

Can you help me figure out why a networked computer is unable to open my 
primary account's inbox?

Here is my setup:

Two computers, both running XP Pro, are on a local wireless network (802.11b).  
The desktop is connected to the router by an ethernet cable while the laptop is 
connected wirelessly.  The Bat's mail files reside on the desktop and enabled 
for full file sharing on Windows Explorer. The files are accessed by users of 
both the desktop and the laptop.  Thus it is possible for the laptop user to 
download, read, write, and delete any e-mail. I have twelve e-mail accounts, 
coming from three different mail servers: gmail, a private domain, and my ISP's 
server. Because of the 60 ft, two-floor, distance between the laptop and  the 
router (which cannot be moved), the laptop's connection to the network is slow, 
but it does work.  This setup has worked fine for about five months. FWIW, the 
entire desktop is backed up on an external hard drive, nightly. Three full 
backups are on the external hard drive (full file backups, not imaged). 

However, increasingly, in recent weeks, the laptop occasionally fails to open 
up the inbox of my primary account which comes through the private domain, even 
though it can open up the sent and outbox folders as well as all other 
mailboxes, including those coming from the same server as the inbox of my 
primary account. On the desktop, this inbox is fully accessible, although, 
occasionally it will also appear blank-but I have always been able to repair it 
using the maintenance center.

To try and repair the missing e-mail from my primary account's inbox when 
accessing mail from the laptop I have done the following: On the desktop, I 
opened up the maintenance center and ran a full repair of the entire Mail 
directory (checkmarking check integrity, remove duplicates, and 
compress). I have tried to do the same on the laptop.  However, the 
maintanance center states for the problematic inbox, cannot open message 
base.  I have checked the properties for the inbox while using the laptop to 
confirm that it is the same folder as that accessed by the e-mail client when 
using the desktop.  Can you help me to troubleshoot this further?  

I don't know if file size has anything to do with this, but the inbox .tbb file 
is about 397 MB and the entire inbox is about 2.76GB.  The entire primary 
account is 3.02 GB  (file size is determined by right clicking on the folder in 
Windows Explorer and going to properties.  The file size listings from within 
The Bat do not appear to be reliable.

Any ideas as to what I can do to fix this?

-- 
Avi
Avram Sacks

running The Bat ver. 4.0.20
on XP Pro SP2



Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re[2]: cannot open messge base file from networked computer

2009-01-14 Thread Achdut18
Hello tracer,

Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 8:51:57 PM, you wrote in response to my
problem about not being able to open up the message base file from a
networked laptop::


t Sorry to ask but have you run a disk check?

One is running on the laptop at this moment, and one will run on the
desktop after sending this message. However, I did run a disk check
using the XP utility and repaired some bad clusters just a few nights
ago.  Problem presented (again) AFTER the check.


t Second question is if you have a spare Laptop hard disk (or usb disk)
t so that you can see if with another disk drive the problem
t disappears...

No spare.

t Third one is: Is it possible to test laptop out without
t that 60m cable in between... Maybe your network is a bit flaky.

 When I have time I will bring laptop down to desktop and connect via
ethernet cable to router to eliminate network connection issues.

 I don't know if file size has anything to do with this, but the
 inbox .tbb file is about 397 MB and the entire inbox is about
 2.76GB.  The entire primary account is 3.02 GB  (file size is
 determined by right clicking on the folder in Windows Explorer and
 going to properties.  The file size listings from within The Bat
 do not appear to be reliable.

t Do you really need all that data permanently accessible???

Well, the message file (the .TBB file?) itself is only 394 MB.
However, there are a bunch of other files, each with 393 to 486 MB. I
don't know what they are, but they are listed as:

bat275c.tmp  393MB
messages.bck   446 MB
messages.bk0   486 MB
messages bk1   392 MB
messages bk2   392 MB
messages bk3   393 MB
messages ib0 17kb
messages ib1 18 kb
messages ib2 17kb
messages ib3 17kb
messages ibk 17kb
messages.tbb 394 MB
messages.tbi1 MB
part0001.bin  1 MB
part0002.bin  5 MB
part0003.bin  500 kb

I am assuming all of the bk files are backup files.  They all have
different dates.I could delete all but the most recent one, but I am
not sure that would solve my problem.

-- 
Avi
Avram Sacks

Running The Bat ver. 4.0.18 on XP Pro sp2



Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


How to recover missing inbox mail on 2nd computer

2008-12-18 Thread Achdut18
Hi, everyone.

This is a great list and I am hoping that someone can help me recover missing 
inbox mail on one of two computers. I use The Bat on two computers, a desktop 
and a laptop. The two computers are connected on  a network through a wireless 
router. The Bat was originally installed on the desktop. This summer, I 
installed The Bat on the laptop but set up account preferences such that all 
mail data remains on the desktop. In other words, both the laptop and the 
desktop read, download and edit mail from files that reside on the desktop. 
Essentially, the desktop functions as a mail server for both the desktop and 
the laptop.

I have 13 mail accounts and all appear on both machines.  My primary account, 
the one that I use for personal correspondence to family and friends, has about 
2100 messages in it and occupies about 450,000MB of space.  Yesterday, 
something happened during an operation (either download, or exit) that resulted 
in all mail disappearing from the inbox of my primary e-mail account on both 
machines, except that one message did remain on the desktop.  When I tried to 
open the message, the maintenance center opened up and prompted me for repair 
of the mail accounts. I selected the inbox for the account with missing mail, 
and after the process ran, the missing mail--apparently all of it--returned.  

I was not so fortunate with the laptop.  I tried to use the maintenance center 
to restore the lost mail, but the process finished without recovering any mail. 
 When I look in Account/properties, the pop up dialogue box automatically 
points to the same data file that is used by the desktop; however, there is 
something going on that is keeping me from seeing the e-mail, even though that 
same file does allow me to view the e-mail on the desktop.  

Can anyone give me a step-by-step procedure that will restore the missing mail 
on to my desktop?

Thanks, in advance, for your help.

-- 
Avram Sacks

Using The Bat ver. 4.0.20 on XP Professional SP2 on both laptop and desktop



Current version is 4.0.38.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Fwd: How to recover missing inbox mail on 2nd computer - problem solved!

2008-12-18 Thread Achdut18
Moments after sending the e-mail, copied, in part, below, I returned to the 
errant inbox, only to see it populate with the missing messages right before my 
eyes.  This is curious since it did not so populate after running the 
maintenance center process.  However, after going to a different account and 
then clicking back, something was triggered that allowed the list to populate. 
(By the way, in the last line of my first note, I referred, in err, to the 
desktop; I had meant to write Can anyone give me a step-by-step procedure that 
will restore the missing mail on to my laptop?

Hopefully, that advice will no longer be needed.

-- 
Avram Sacks

Using The Bat ver. 4.0.20 on XP Professional SP2 on both laptop and desktop


This is a forwarded message
From: Achdut18 achdu...@gmail.com
To: tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com
Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 3:17:19 AM
Subject: How to recover missing inbox mail on 2nd computer

===8==Original message text===
Hi, everyone.

This is a great list and I am hoping that someone can help me recover missing 
inbox mail on one of two computers. ***

[snip]

Can anyone give me a step-by-step procedure that will restore the missing mail 
on to my desktop?

Thanks, in advance, for your help.



===8===End of original message text===



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Seeing double: Home networks and The Bat!

2008-09-19 Thread Achdut18
Roelof Otten's advice on Sept 16 about how to enable multiple users on a pc to 
use the same mail directory made me think that the same advice would work for 
multiple computers on a home network.  So, following that advice I was able to 
get The Bat! on our wireless laptop to see, store, and download the same e-mail 
seen, stored, and downloaded by the desktop (on whose hard drive the mail 
directory resides.)  Unfortunately, if mail is downloaded on computer A, while 
TB is open on computer B, or vice versa, a subsequent download by the second 
machine will result in TWO copies of each newly downloaded e-mail appearing on 
the second machine.  However, if TB is first closed and then opened, the newly 
downloaded mail will magically without duplicates.

Can anyone help me fix this?

-- 
Avi
Avram Sacks
Using TB ver. 4.18 on Windows XP Pro SP2

Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re[2]: Seeing double: Home networks and The Bat!

2008-09-19 Thread Achdut18
Hello Roelof,

Friday, September 19, 2008, 4:17:54 PM, you wrote in response to my query about 
duplicate messages being downloaded to a laptop on a homework that has just 
been set up as the second networked computer to have TB! running:

RO You wouldn't have configured that TB leaves the mail on the server for
RO some time, would you? Otherwise messages that are downloaded will be
RO deleted by the server.

Yes!  That must be it.  I had been leaving it on the server for 14 days after 
download.  I just changed the setting and I would imagine that what you 
suggested is correct.  No time to test at the moment, but I bet that that is it!

As always, 

Thanks.

-- 

Avi

Avram Sacks
using The Bat! 4.0.18 on Windows XP Pro sp2

Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


moving mail account from one user acct to another user acct

2008-09-16 Thread Achdut18
Hi, everyone, 

How does one move a mail account from one user to another?  Here are the 
details:

Let's say there are two users, A and B, on a computer, each with their own 
Windows account.  Each has administrator privileges and can access the other 
account.  User B has always had The Bat! running and has, say, five different 
mail accounts within The Bat!  User A had always used The Bat! by logging in to 
user B.  However, one week ago, a sixth, separate mail account was created for 
user A within User A's Windows account in a copy of The Bat! that was 
created within A Windows account.  Only that one mail account appears within 
that running of The Bat!  All other mail accounts, but not the newly created 
account for User A appear within the instance of The Bat! that runs within B's 
Windows account. After one week, user A decided that she would prefer to have 
her separate mail account as part of the list found on The Bat! running within 
B's Window account and no longer wishes to have that separate mail account 
running in The Bat! within her own Window's account.

What is the best way to move that account?  Can I move it from within Windows 
Explorer from one copy of The Bat! to another?  Is there a more elegant way?  
If trying to do this would create more problems, such as conflict errors, etc., 
I can just delete the account from The Bat! running in A's Window account and 
re-create it in The Bat! running within B's user account since there is only 
one mail message that would be lost, and the message is not critical. However, 
I would like to know if there is a more elegant method for future reference, as 
well.  Also, it would keep me from having to reset all of the account 
properties if I could do it more elegantly.

Thanks.

-- 
Avram Sacks

The Bat Home Edition ver. 4.0.18 on Windows XP Pro, SP2.

Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Synchronization revisited (or two user synchronization)

2008-04-11 Thread Achdut18
Hi, everyone,

First, I would like to thank everyone who responded to my queries about 
synchronization of two separate installations of The Bat. The help and 
information provided by the moderators and other list members on this, and 
other questions, is invaluable.

After posting my original query about how to synchronize The Bat on two 
separate computers, I went back through my personal archive of Bat mail and 
read every post on synchronization since January 2002.  (As an aside: as a 
testament to The Bat's speed and functionality, I was able to quickly sort and 
pull up every message that had the letter grouping sync anywhere in the 
message.  Since the search was on my hard drive, this search took not more than 
a minute or two, at most. From past experience, I know that it would have taken 
me 15-20 minutes to perform the same search at my office, where all mail is in 
Outlook on a heavily used server located across the country.) It seems to me 
that in most situations involving synchronization that were discussed on the 
list, there is a single user. Thus, synchronizing two computers to the most 
recent file is not an issue.  However, where, as in my case, there are TWO 
users on two separate computers, true synchronization is more difficult since 
the more recent file may not necessarily include actions performed on the other 
computer. A clear example is where user A downloads e-mail on to computer A and 
then deletes some of it.  User B subsequently downloads e-mail on to computer B 
and deletes none, but is likely to delete what A deleted, only at a later time. 
 If synchronization occurs prior to when B deletes the same mail that A 
deleted, I think most synchronization programs would restore to A the mail that 
had already been deleted on A if synchronization goes from B to A.  On the 
other hand, if it goes from computer A to B, then the same problem can also 
occur, depending upon who downloaded and deleted first.  Unless a 
synchronization program is able to identify which e-mails have already been 
read and deleted, there is great potential for the mail box on A, in my 
example, to become clogged with mail copied from computer B that user A had 
already deleted on computer A.  In order for both computers to be up to date, I 
would want to synchronize, automatically, overnight.  (Which can be done with 
3rd party software, I don't know if it can also be done with The Bat's own 
synchronization program.) 

The best solution would be IMAP.  But, my mail file is already at 2.6 GB.  
Although gmail would accommodate this, not all of my mail is through my g-mail 
account. Personal and business mail is through a private domain on another 
server, and for security purposes, I am uncomfortable with leaving personal and 
business correspondence on an outside server. (The provider has a 1 GB limit 
for their most expensive option--too small for my purposes, anyway.) That leads 
me back to POP3.  Since I don't know how a synchronization program could keep 
track of which mail has already been deleted on a computer and keep from 
copying back to that computer such mail from the other computer, it seems to me 
that the next best solution would be to do what a few here have suggested, 
which is to download e-mail separately on to both computers, but BCC any mail 
sent in order to make sure that each computer has on it all sent mail from both 
computers.  This means that read/unread identifiers for a given message will 
not be identical on both machines, and, it also means that some mail deleted on 
one, may not be deleted on the other.  This is not perfect, but it isn't 
critical.

If I BCC to myself every sent e-mail from each of my accounts, that leads to 
two questions:

1. Is it possible to program The Bat to automatically BCC to myself every 
e-mail sent?

2. Since BCC'ing to myself every e-mail sent will create duplicates of that 
e-mail on the originating computer, what rule or filter can I create that will 
automatically delete the BCC'd item from the originating computer.  There 
appears to be no BCC field in the filter's parameters.

Moderators:  Are these questions more appropriate for TBTECH?  If so, I'll join 
and post there.

-- 
Avram Sacks

Using The Bat ver. 4.0.18 on XP Professional SP2

Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


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