Terry:
The Bible says that God is angry with the sinner every day, and that is
true.
Caroline:
The bible says God is angry with sin and sin within people mostly. Or that
He is angry with national rebellion. Rarely does it ever say God is angry
with the person. The people Jesus was most angry
DAVEH: Why is the Bible necessary, Perry? Is it not possible for one
to get a clear understanding of the evidence of God's nature from his
creations
Paul
says that God is evident in all of creation, so no man is without
excuse.
.From my LDS perspective, I don't have to rely
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
We are talking obtusely here. The little 'g' god, the god of
Mormonism is NOT the big 'G', the God of the Bible. You are confusing
the two. They are not the same. Your little 'g' god may be a warm fuzzy
parent to you, but don't confuse him with the big
Terry Clifton wrote:
Charles
Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
Read the Bible, Dave. It tells it all.
Perry
Sounds like good advice, Dave. I wouldn't dismiss it lightly.
Terry
DAVEH: OK Terry..rather than
Hi JD
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I come from
a Baptist background and individual soul freedom is one of our
distinctive.
Love,
Caroline
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Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 12:01
Iwas raiseda very proper Evangelical. 4
Spiritual Laws. Sola scriptura and sola fide. But life is a journey and change
is the only constant. Not long ago, I emailed a former pastor and said I'm fast
becoming a universalist! Please email back reasons why I shouldn't be! He had a
good laugh.
When and where did I say that? Have no idea what
you are referring to 'g'
Please explain. jt
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:36:01 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
and acc to you,
he's into dualism..what kind?
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:49:07 -0500 Judy Taylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Amen! I know a hard heart is not good - Jesus
said that this is why men put away their wives and it is why Moses gave a bill
of divorcement. However, I see an 'evil heart of unbelief' spoken of more
along with stiff necked and stubborn rebellion.Since "faith comes by
hearing and hearing by
David Miller wrote:
Did any of you get a chance to see Nightline's interview with Michael
Shiavo? I'm wondering if any of you support Michael Shiavo's desire not to
allow Terri's parents and brother to keep feeding her. Are any of you
surprised that he has turned down $10 million and $1
Caroline Wong wrote:
Terry:
The Bible says that God is angry with the sinner every day, and that
is true.
Caroline:
The bible says God is angry with sin and sin within people mostly. Or
that He is angry with national rebellion. Rarely does it ever say God
is angry with the person. The people
There may be more to this story than meets the eye. I
didn't see the Nightline interview but I did hear an interview with Terri
Shiavo's brother on the radio yesterday in which he spoke of new evidence that
is coming to light after 15yrs years. Apparently they found a full body scan
taken
Dave Hansen wrote:
Terry Clifton wrote:
Charles
Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
Read the Bible, Dave. It tells it all.
Perry
Sounds like good advice, Dave. I wouldn't dismiss it lightly.
Terry
DAVEH:
I believe I've mentioned in the past that I attend a
weekly Bible Study known as BSF or Bible Study Fellowship which is international
and non-denominational.To complete all of the lessons takes 7yrs (I
am in my 4th year); the studyis structured along the lines of a
college course and it's
Lets not forget the fact that DNA evidence positively demonstrates that the
Indians have absolutely no inheritance from Hebrew people. None. Zilch.
Nada. Check out this web page, and especially the video near the end of the
page:
http://www.godandscience.org/cults/dna.html
In this
I totally concur with the intent that underlies
this post. But, not for the reasons given. I trust that you
understand.
Love,
Lance
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 18, 2005 08:52
Subject: [TruthTalk] Unifying
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 03:49:41 -0600 "Caroline Wong" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Iwas raiseda very proper Evangelical.
4 Spiritual Laws. Sola scriptura and sola fide. But life is a journey and
change is the only constant. Not long ago, I emailed a former pastor and said
I'm fast
Hi Caroline Wong, glad to have you aboard. You bring a
new perspective to the list. Thanks for the challenge.
A few months ago I sent an article to Lance, written, I
believe, in 1949, the title being Universalism and Election. Its author
is T.F. Torrance, who is himself not a universalist.
If the length of this exchange caused some to move on without reading the full exchange, perhaps a second look will be worth the effort. Much food for thought regarding hell, torture, the singleness of the sin event contrasted with the eternity of the punishment.
My only frustration with
In a message dated 3/18/2005 12:15:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Perry writes to Dave:
You won't find the meat of the truth in the LDS works.
Actually, it is better said "You won't find the meat of the truth in ... works."
JD
I don't Lance, please explain. jt
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:24:09 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I totally concur with the intent that underlies
this post. But, not for the reasons given. I trust that you understand.
Love, Lance
From: Judy Taylor
I believe I've
David Miller wrote:
DaveH wrote:
It is one thing to spank your kid and send him to his
room for the night. It is another to toss him into a
boiling cauldron knowing that he will be screaming
in torment due to physical pain forever. If any Christian
wanted to
In a message dated 3/18/2005 7:17:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You are confusing the issue by not identifying the issue at hand. Spanking a child is a form of discipline. It is a way that children are trained. The Torah teaches us that if a child does not respond to
Bill Taylor wrote:
The point of Jesus' statement had to do with the
unwillingness of the religious establishment to repent
and accept his teaching as truth. They were steadfast
in their error, yet convinced they were right and needed
no correction. That problem is still with us today.
I
More enlightenment from JD: (I think
Ill go take a bath now.) Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 9:31
AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal
Judgment
Actually, Romans 14:4
David wrote:
Lastly, all those who believe the Bible consider the
Indians of the Western Hemisphere to have migrated
here from the Middle East after Noah's flood, so
there must be more of a connection established to
the imaginary Nephites than simply art depicting beards.
BLAINE:
Describing
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From: Barb Annunziello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 18, 2005 09:38
Subject: A little unexpected theology
Hey there. Thought you would like a little section I came across in a
novel
Carry Me Home, that I was reading. One more reason to
John S. wrote:
What so many do not understand or refuse
to understand, is that the Gospel has nothing
to do with the right church, the right creed,
the right doctrine but everything to do with
loving God, loving self and loving those around
us ( the neighbor).
I agree wholeheartedly with
"For by the Son all things were created that are in heaven and
that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or
principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for
Him.And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist" -- Col
1.16-17.
May
Thanks for the post, David. I'll try to get back to it after the weekend, as
I am of to Denver.
Bill
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not loving?
Bill
Martin Buber, in a conversation with TFTorrance some time ago, said 'I've
not listened to anyone over five years of age for thirty years. (He is the
author if 'I and Thou')
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 18, 2005
Novels are not the best thing upon which to base our theology. Izzy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:15 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: A little unexpected theology
Five year olds are not the best things upon which to base one's theology.
Izzy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 10:49 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:46:04 -0700 "Bill Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"For by the Son all things were created that are in
heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or
dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and
for Him.And
Even Jesus Himself had to wait until he was 30yrs old
before being anointed and released to ministry. How is it that
God's ways appear to mean absolutely nothing to some in
this generation? jt
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:59:26 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:Five year olds are
What kind of theology is this Lance? All it does
is "make God into our image" We are the fallen ones
and lying, cheating, cussing, etc. is the nature of the
devil. Jesus died so that we could be free from
this - I have not had the desire to lie, cheat, cuss,
or steal since I came to Him
Lance wrote:
But even with all his messing, cussing and cheating the
government, I know one thing. My Dad would never
lock me and my brother out of our house forever
and ever cause we did something bad.
This exactly makes my point that it is the wicked who do not comprehend and
minister
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/18/2005 7:17:25 AM
Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You are confusing the issue by not identifying the issue at hand.
Spanking a child is a form of discipline. It is a way that children
are trained. The Torah teaches us
In a message dated 3/18/2005 10:52:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You are confusing the issue by not identifying the issue at hand. Spanking a child is a form of discipline. It is a way that children are trained. The Torah teaches us that if a child does not respond to
Bill Taylor wrote:
"For by the Son all things were created that are in
heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or
dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through
Him and for Him.And He is before all things, and in Him all
In a message dated 3/18/2005 8:49:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks for the post, David. I'll try to get back to it after the weekend, as
I am of to Denver.
Again, good luck this weekend, Andy. Bill's youngest stud (there are two others) is off to a wrestling
In a message dated 3/18/2005 8:16:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
More enlightenment from JD: (I think Ill go take a bath now.) Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 9:31 AM
To:
In a message dated 3/18/2005 8:32:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John S. wrote:
What so many do not understand or refuse
to understand, is that the Gospel has nothing
to do with the right church, the right creed,
the right doctrine but everything to do with
loving God,
He may be a 'uni' but, without the 'versalist'
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From: Barb Annunziello [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 18, 2005 15:25
Subject: RE: Fw: [TruthTalk] Fw: A little unexpected theology
Should I ask who David Miller is?? And what's his slant? I
I love your view of a discussion group. You cheer those with whom
you agree and casually dismiss those who are in disagreement
along with the biblical arguments that support their
position. Romans 14:4 says what it says
... as does I Co 8:1-3 and Jere 31:31-34. While passing
through
"Rarely does it ever say God is angry with the person. "
Your god is not the God of the BIBLE.
God does not just hate sin he Hates the "workers" (read people) of iniquity
PS 5:5 thou hatest all workers of iniquity
PS 7:11 God is angry with the wicked every dayThe Bible does not say God is angry
Redefinition 101:
25 reasons why Eternal is not eternal, Damnation is not damnation and Hell is a real nice place.Caroline Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Iwas raiseda very proper Evangelical. 4 Spiritual Laws. Sola scriptura and sola fide. But life is a journey and change is the only constant.
I used to think they should just pull the
plug on Terri because I believe that once a person is unable to eat on their
own thats the bodys way of saying its time to goespecially
with the elderly. Ive seen the elderly kept living for years at
the end of a feeding tube, curled up in a bed,
Only God can break thru to those hard hearts. Those with this malady do not even know their plight.
Scott Peterson just went to death row. The execution has not been carried out as of yet, but he is a "condemned" man.
So also is he that Believeth not he is CONDEMNED ALREADY, just waiting for the
I just don't see why any Christian would think the Lord would physically and punitively literally toss them into a burning lake to torture them forever. Why is such brutality needed by God? I don't see why it makes sense to anyone who believes God is a loving parent.rather it makes God seem
In a message dated 3/18/2005 1:43:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"Rarely does it ever say God is angry with the person. "
Your god is not the God of the BIBLE.
God does not just hate sin he Hates the "workers" (read people) of iniquity
PS 5:5 thou hatest all workers
Early this afternoon it was wonderfully warm
and sunny outside and I wanted to walk my Sheltie, Lacey, to Forest Park about a mile from here as I do
most nice days, for her Bark in the Park. However I wavered
and decided that, since they were forecasting rain this afternoon, I should
hurry
Take a look at the picture on this page does Terri look like a vegatable?
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/17/schiavo.brain-damaged/index.html
Have you seen the video of her eyes following a balloon moved over her head
There are something like 12 doctors willing to testify that she is not in a
In a message dated 3/18/2005 1:48:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Redefinition 101:
25 reasons why Eternal is not eternal, Damnation is not damnation and Hell is a real nice place.
Have no fear, sweet Caroline. The men on your right, that would Deegan's left, can
-- Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Your mind has been polluted by the heretical LDS
works. If you relied on his Word you would clearly see that your impressions
of God are all wrong.
BLAINE: I keep noticing that you do a lot of labeling, usually in reference to
LDS stuff,
-- Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DaveH, if you were to stop reading that heretical Momron literature and
forming your own personal opinions of how you would like for God to be, and
to begin to study the Bible in light of itself, not extrabiblical LDS
references, you would come
-- David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David wrote:
Lastly, all those who believe the Bible consider the
Indians of the Western Hemisphere to have migrated
here from the Middle East after Noah's flood, so
there must be more of a connection established to
the imaginary Nephites than
***BLAINE: Again, as I have mentioned before, I think you assume too much. To
say DNA evidence POSITIVELY demonstrates that the Indians have ABSOLUTELY no
inheritance from Hebrew people is going a bit far, don't you think? This
assumes we know all there is to know about DNA of Hebrew
Caroline wrote:
Someone asked about Jeffrey Dahmer - or at least that's who I think the poster
was referring to when he said homo cannibal.
If Jeffrey Dahmer accepted Jesus and if he called upon the name of Jesus and
pled the blood of Christ, God would have to love him and say to him,
Why is it your church wants to be yoked with Christianity? I noticed this
during the Olympics when we were out in the streets preaching, that they
made an effort to let the world know they are one. Your prophet today
wishes to be in bed with standing together and wishes that we all be one
BLAINE: Let us reason together as one man reasoneth with another--the
following is good meat for reasoning.
Q. Why hasn't a single Book of Mormon site been identified? [top]
A. This claim is incorrect. I must emphasize the significance of the apparent
discovery and confirmation of two
BLAINE: Ruben, long time no see!! Thought you must be off doin' your usual
thing of street preachin'.
I do not fully understand where you are coming from on your question, Ruben.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has always professed being
Christian. Joseph Smith was told not
BLAINE: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has always professed
being Christian. Joseph Smith was told not to join any of the existing
Christian churches of his day, but that has nothing to do with the church
professing to be Christian...
Ruben:
Well rather then getting into a he
In a message dated 3/18/2005 5:37:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
David Miller wrote:
Lastly, all those who believe the Bible consider the
I am sure we know that David is using his imagination to the max when he pretends to know what "all
In a message dated 3/18/2005 8:31:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Its main theme has always been that the true church and the true gospel as it was in Jesus' time was restored through a prophet.
Beginning with Pentecost, when did the "true church" and the true gospel stray
Blaine,
I have repeatedly posted my justification for the things I beleive to be
true regarding the Mormons. I have also repeatedly described in detail why
the Mormon jesus and mormon god cannot be the same Jesus and God that are in
the Bible. I have demonstrated the cultic nature of the
In a message dated 3/13/2005 3:56:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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From: "Jonathan Hughes" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: March 12, 2005 11:46
Subject: [Fwd: Jasc Paint Shop Photo Album 5 images]
DAVEH: OK Kevin.For once we have a bit of agreement between
usat least on the surface. I also believe death is the punishment
for transgression. However, you seem to want to extrapolate that a
bit further than me. And, I may have a different definition of death
than you..
To me,
In a message dated 3/13/2005 8:35:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Does that mean John, Bill Jonathan will be coming back with a vengeance?
We are back -- but it will take a little time to put things in order. I will say that it was one of the most significant journeys of
DAVEH: And if the kid sneers as the paddle is applied to his
buttocks.blood may result. And I don't think that is good news
for anybody. :'(
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In a message dated 3/18/2005 10:52:56
AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You are
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