way, and I
know that I actually believe another, then I question how accurate the rest
of what is claimed by that person. Now Perrydo *you *understand why I
don't have much confidence in your anti-Mormon claims?
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
No problem, Dave. Even though I love mormons, you
Dave,
My ultimate concern is that if you are raising your hands and chanting
words that you do not understand, you may be invoking that which you presume
you are not. That is the key to whom you owe your allegiance. If you are not
sure, or do not know exactly what that means, where it came
that I consider it
futile to due business with an anti-Mormon? As I see it, anti-Mormons are
not seeking truth, they are seeking to attack.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
Perhaps my question has not been clear...
What does Pay Lay Ale mean?
If we are going to do
are* coming to you for the truth* makes me question your
sincerity in wanting to know anything about LDS theology. Your past
actions betray your intent, IMO.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
*
I am being serious here, and am coming to you for the truth. You often
say that if i want to know
Dave, my notes are interleaved below.
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
I went back through the entire sequence of our exchanges (from the
archives) on the smoking thing and I realize that while the smoking
statement was offensive to me, the real
: That's right Perryyou just might want to remember that in the
future.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
*Dave, you just don't quit, do you.* In your statements below you appear
to apologize, while continuing to abase my character...get this...
DAVEH: I'm sorry you feel that way, Perry
John, can you provide a little more context for the statement below? Perhaps
I have not been following very closed the thread to which this is relevant.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus
John, for someone who is not interested in a specific thread, you sure spend
a lot of energy keeping score...according to your own scoring standard, of
course.
Do you not consider it significant that mormons raise their arms to the
square and chant Pay Lay Ale three times in their rituals.
JT and included some interesting quotes
from the Mormon folk.
I am thinking that pay lay Ale has something to do with apple cider .
No?
Jd
-Original Message-
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:17:04 -0700
Subject
of the Bible, there is no hope for
you.*
DAVEH: As you recently accused me of doing
*You just don't stop, do you? *
Perhaps we should consider that it could just be the pot
calling the kettle black.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
In my response below I intentionally
? *
Perhaps we should consider that it could just be the pot
calling the kettle black.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
In my response below I intentionally used hyperbole to point out the
fact that, while you appear to apologize on the surface, *your apology
is really full of further
Dave, you asked Dean what he had been smoking. That is tantamount to calling
him a drug user. You accused me of the same.
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David
in cheek sort of thing. It
is humor. I doubt that anyone now believes that DH has an inside track on
who is smoking up and who is not.
JD
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From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 05:43:37 -0700
Subject: Re
Dave, you just don't quit, do you. In your statements below you appear to
apologize, while continuing to abase my character...get this...
DAVEH: I'm sorry you feel that way, Perry. I thought it to be pretty
well understood my most clear thinking Americans that asking that (smoking)
Welcome to Robin Hood socilaism...take from the rich...give to the
poor...it isn't going to get any better.
From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: [TruthTalk] FYI Katrina Victims buy luxury items with Red Cross
debit
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: [TruthTalk] Robin Hood Socialism marches on...
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:15:06 -0400
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Welcome to Robin Hood socilaism...take from the rich...give to the
poor...it isn't going to get any better.
WDYT Perry
. There is
not biblical expansion concerning the virgin birth. And since DH has
spoken clearly of his personal views on this matter, why is the discussion
being pursued?
JD
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From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:06:37
John, do these count?
Daniel 3:25 - He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the
midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like
the Son of God.
Daniel 7:13 - I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of
man came with the clouds
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DAVEH: Soin absence of Dean answering my below question, do you know
what he is talking about, Perry? I vaguely remember somebody posting some
stuff about moon men and LDS theology several years ago, but don't recall
the details. A quick search of the net
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
I read the two BoM references you gave and agree that they support, or at
least do not contradict, the virgin birth as described in Matthew.
DAVEH: So does it still bother you that I do *not* believe in the literal
sex
Bill, what constitutes a loss of virginity, knowing a man, or having a
baby? I surmise the former.
(Since this is aone-time event, we certainly have no precedence!)
Luke 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know
not a man?
Matt 1:24-25: Then Joseph being raised
. We get caught up in the peripheral and never get to the Center.
And so the debate goes on and on and on.
Jd
-Original Message-
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:58:31 -0700
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART
if any could truly understand the significance of
Son of God and Son of Man apart from the self-revelation that is
Incarnate Christ !! True?
JD
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From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:16:58 -0700
Subject
forth
the perpetual virginity of Mary, that even after she gave birth to Jesus,
she remained a virgin; i.e., her hymen remained intact throughout her
lifetime.
- Original Message -
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday, October 22
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:30:26 -0400
Yes, I do see the point. But did he make this statement ?
History records that he
the worlds were created is something
that is completely missed without NT teaching and the Incarnation
circumstance. Why would you disagree with this? Is there a concern that
I am not seeing?
Jd
-Original Message-
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk
Izzy. Something must be wrong with that driver license thing. I typed in
John's name, but it came up with your picture!
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: [TruthTalk] nice picture
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005
this
sexual act*
..are simply is a lie, as I have explained above. Now
Perrywill you admit the above is a lie, or will you continue to repeat
it?
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
The issue here, John, is that much evidence has been given to Dave in the
past in the form of articles from
Dave, Dean,
The idea of people on the moon was not JS's original idea or thought.
Like many of his day, prominent scientists included, he most likely was
sucked into a hoax that was published in the New York Sun in 1835 by one
Richard Adams Locke. Related? I have no idea, but if so...that
Dave,
Do you have any references from the DC about the nature of the
conception of Jesus? I read the two BoM references you gave and agree that
they support, or at least do not contradict, the virgin birth as described
in Matthew.
I also called my mother-in-law to see what her take (as
John, the 7' Quaker idea comes from Joseph Smith's having stated that there
were people living on the moon,which he went on to describe. Pretty
interesting statement coming from a prophet. I posted an article earlier
about where he most likely got this idea. Did you read it?
Additionally,
do that, then will you admit that the above claim is a
lie, Perry?
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave, if you believe Dean has spoken untruthfully, please present some
documentation that refutes his statements. Just blathering on about how he
is being untruthful without any you showing anyevidence
Terry, thank you for sharing this wonderful encounter with us.
Perry
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [TruthTalk] walking
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:03:23 -0500
Dave, the short answer is that I guess you espouse mormon heresy, it upsets
many of us Christians to hear it. If we espoused heresy I guess you might be
upset, too! It is natural, when a Christian hears things that contradict the
Bible and present a false jesus and false god, to revile and to
Dave, if you believe Dean has spoken untruthfully, please present some
documentation that refutes his statements. Just blathering on about how he
is being untruthful without any you showing anyevidence does not make your
point at all.
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To:
Comon, Dave. Kevin has posted reference upon reference of your own prophets
and leaders stating that the sex between God and Mary was physical. When
presented to you you say something evasive like, it's a mormon thang...you
would not understand. Wake up and smell the postum. Who is in denial?
a strange environment
this place labeled TruthTalk..Makes one wonder if there is any
Christianity in Christians.or, Truth in TruthTalk.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
When Dean recently began posting,* I saw a bit of awe and fear in DaveH's
responses to Dean that revealed to me
and fear DaH?
Tell me DaH-You who claim to be a Christian what did Jesus mean in Matt
10:34-35 Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not
come to bring peace but a sword...etc( ASV)? Have you ever read the whole
Bible ?
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
When Dean recently began
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
First, I would never ever expect you to admit it if a mere protestant
said anything that ever shook your faith. Never. You hold too tightly to
your heresy to ever do that. Your responses to Deans posts brought to mind
the demon
that the above
claim is a lie, Perry?
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
*Dave, if you believe Dean has spoken untruthfully, please present some
documentation that refutes his statements*. Just blathering on about how
he is being untruthful without any you showing anyevidence does not make
your point at all
. If he or you cannot do that, then will you admit that the above
claim is a lie, Perry?
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
*Dave, if you believe Dean has spoken untruthfully, please present some
documentation that refutes his statements*. Just blathering on about how
he is being untruthful without any you
Then the only ones left on the forum would be you, John, and Dave!
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Get the Real Poop Here
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 05:39:25 -0400
Ya! This guy ought to moderate.
Lance, the issue is not a fear that anyone will abandon the faith,
although that is possible, it is that heretical tenets will be introduced
that work to convince those to whom the faith was and is delivered that the
occultic and heretical mormon system is a form of Christianity. Some on this
, 18 Oct 2005 11:07:02 -0400
I know that your life is full, Charles. Have you ever seen anything in what
I've said, concerning DaveH and his ilk (sorry Dave 'ilk' is almost as bad
as 'poop') that would be interpreted as 'accepting'?
- Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke
John,
You certainly do make sense, in that I understand what you are saying,
but I differ in that I KNOW the jesus and god of the mormons is a different
Jesus and God than I worship. Joseph Smith may have started with the Jesus
and God of the Bible, or maybe not, but whether he did or not,
According to the DC, JS said that god said that any man who does not
practice polygamy is damned. Dave, are you practicing polygamy, or are you
damned?
Perry
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: [TruthTalk]
Lance, as I understand it, one's deeds are not what makes one a Christian.
Am I wrong on this? I am not saying that MT was not a believer. I do not
know. I am saying that Dave apparently judges her to be so by her works.
Perry
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To:
as to what I believe? Orwas it an honest mistake?
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Remember, the book of mormon is *The Testament of Another Jesus
Christ*. It even says so on the cover...sort of.
Perry
--
~~~
Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.langlitz.com
not think many (if any at all)
TTers will comprehend my answer. So, when I state that /I am damned/, that
is a state in which one's eternal progression is limited.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
According to the DC, JS said that god said that any man who does not
practice polygamy is damned. Dave
marks, the sort of tends to be overlooked. Furthermore, the
question remainsfor a guy who is as versed in LDS theology as you
purport to be, was it an honest mistakeor was it /sort of
/intentionally meant to deceive?
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave: That's the problem with using simple
DaveH, I find it interesting that you judge Mother Teresa to be a Christian
without ever mentioning her having a relationship with Christ. Atheists can
do good works, even works on the order of MT's. Why, even mormons can do
that!
Perry
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To give you
John, do you truly believe that when DaveH uses the name jesus christ that
he is referring to the same Jesus Christ to which you are referring? If not,
then he can appear to make the SAME confession of faith as you, but be
testifying of another jesus christ...not the one we know. Remember,
An observation.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God is a relational God: Father, Son, Spirit
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 08:13:15 -0600
what do you think, boys(?)--(her) judgment or discernment:
On Wed, 5 Oct
an opinion
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God is a relational God: Father, Son, Spirit
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 08:11:42 -0600
what do you think, boys(?)--(her) judgment or discernment:
On Wed, 5 Oct 2005
their spouses to AIDS. They need to
get
out of ministry for sure! izzy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 10:10 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk
John, the part of your presentation with which I cannot agree is that IF we
assume that their homosexual tendency is genetic, that no one can argue
that they are forced to act upon this attraction. That is not true for we
humans. We are sentient, thinking, beings. We make choices every day. We
Hypothetical arguments may be useful in logic and science, but when it comes
to religion I prefer reality to hypotheticals. That is why it is a pure
waste pf time.
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re:
..If you feel it a waste of time to conjecture about this, don't
feel compelled to respond.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
What is the purpose of this conjecture? Adam and Eve fell, so it is a pure
waste of time to conjecture otherwise.
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk
Was William Shakespear a translator for KJ? Some say that he was and,
furthermore, that he signed his work. Examine the 46th word from the
beginning and the 46th word from the end of Psalm 46.
Perry
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To:
I happen to agree with you, John, but absence of an example in the Bible
does not prove it. In your statement, the question might be can a Christian
not have his mind set on the Spirit and still be a Christian.
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What is the purpose of this conjecture? Adam and Eve fell, so it is a pure
waste of time to conjecture otherwise.
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of Jesus
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 08:31:18
Pics: http://www.bibleplaces.com/poolofsiloam.htm
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: Biblical Pool of Siloam Is Uncovered in
Jerusalem]
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005
Blaine has, on more than one occasion, brought up what he said was a fast
growth rate and implyied that this was indicative of the mormon church being
the one true church. I also seem to rememeber it was he that started this
original thread (different subject line) by mentioning the growth rate
JS also said there were men living on the Moon.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:54:02 EDT
Hey Iz, To my knowledge, Joseph Smith never said what color the sky was.
Blaine, if you have no reasonable answers to these questions, just say so.
Perry
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:15:56 -0700
Since size matters to some in determining the trueness of a church, we
must consider that according to these numbers (in the US):
1. The Catholic Church - 67,259,768
2. Southern Baptist Convention - 16,439,603
the Catholic church is 400% truer than the Southern Baptist Convention, and
the
I hear you loud and clear, Terry.
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:37:13 -0500
Just found this note from you, Perry. I don't know where it has been
Bill,
When I ask what difference does it make if I understand this or not? I
am asking relative to salvation. Does my knowing what spiritual death is
or is not affect the thou shalt be saved part?
The answer is no. There are many who have and will live and die without
ever hearing the
Actually, when John said, ...I would make you jealous, I thought he was
using a metaphor to say I have many blessings, or you would be surprised
at how much I have been blessed. I didn't think he was really assuming any
other believer would be jealous. We use similar phrases all the time. I
non-believers spiritually dead -- infants and unborn babies included? What
about the mentally retarded: are they spiritually dead, or do they have the
Spirit of God indwelling them?
Just curious,
Bill
- Original Message -
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk
Terry, can you take comment on these points one by one and let me know why
you think each is pitiful. Thanks.
Perry
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005
hundreds if not thousands of external consitencies.
3. What external consistencies does the bom show?
Perry
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A 'prooftexter' vs a 'contexter'
Date: Sun, 24 Jul
, the mind and perhaps the
spirit or the soul (if there is a difference).
??
JD
-Original Message-
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:34:12 -0700
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death
The greater message here is that those who choose not to follow Jesus are
spiritually dead. That is, they do not have the Spirit of the Lord
dwelling in them. The man he chose as an example wanted to tarry from
following Jesus until his father passed away, thus putting his family above
Jesus.
John, an ad hominem argument is still ad hominem regardless of whether it is
true or false.
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Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 08:58:11 -0400
Not ad hom if a true
, John.
Perry the Moderator
JD
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From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 07:06:02 -0700
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
John, an ad hominem argument is still ad hominem regardless of whether
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It [the bom] sincerely is what it says it is.
How do you know this?
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you
ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
If you do not want to receive
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In a message dated 7/24/2005 10:31:24 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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It [the bom] sincerely is what it says it is.
How do you know this?
I read it, I now read it, I will read it, I will have read it . . . too
Normally, I try to read every TT post, but when TT'rs post as furiously as
you have been for the last day or so, my real job (the one for which I get
paid) and other obligations like parenting, husbanding, get in the way of my
moderating. So, to help me out, if you recognize an ad-hominem (even
Boy, my children are 24, 22, and 16 and I sure am glad they are finally
mature enough that they don't argue like this any more!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005
Lance,
I feel you really are mixing apples and oranges here. Some of the
characteristics of the jesus and god that the mormons worship mimic the
Jesus and God of the Bible...enough that they can convince the undiscerning
that they are the same. It is when one begins to examine the
John, could Freud (or Kevin) have been right? You wrote:
it is not in my bile of choice (NASV) ... :-)
JD
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you
ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org
If you do not
John,
I do not think we can separate the ad hominem from logic, John. All
discussion contains some form of logic, some form of argumentation,
especially when our goal is to present and support a point of view. In it's
simplist form the ad hominem argument is merely an appeal to emotion
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
... I was neither meaningless nor repetitive in my posted comments.
John,
Your statement above is a good start at resolving this issue. I think
your best defense would be to argue the point that your comment was not a
meaningless tautology, bringing in evidence to
the words of an opponent
from the character of the opponent without being guilty of ad hom.I do
not.
JD
-Original Message-
From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 06:15:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ad-hominem discussion
John
Blainer: LOL I have not been following Lance's comments that closely,
but
I have read a few, so I think I see what you are saying. The quote does
seem
to get at a very important point, however. It suggests that one can
choose
to disbelieve something, even in the face of strong evidence
Bill, from reading Judy's comments I do not see that she is slandering you,
in that she is not asserting anything about you personally. It appears to me
as though she may herself believe what she has asked, but is uncertain, and
is asking for confirmation. A simple no in answer to her question
Lance, I do understand Bill's position, but as moderator my job is not to
take sides (although, as my non-moderator self I may). My job is to step in
when things start to get ugly, and I don't think they have. These two
disagree and I think they are slowly (and yes, painfully) working it out.
Kevin, your response brought a question to mind...have you ever in your life
thought that you knew the truth about something Biblical, only to discover
later that you were a bit off and had to adjust your concept of the truth?
Or, on the other hand, have you always known the truth, and always
One of the best discussions I have read on ad-hominem is on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_Hominem.
Perry
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:56:11 -0400
/interpreting the
Scriptures for li
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:57:01 -0500
Certainly.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 7:45 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing
of a doubt or assume the best of
them, Christian or not, unless I have reason not to. So are you implying
that BT doesn't think Terry is a Christian? iz
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) as well. Any problem
with that? izzy
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 9:29 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] On playing chess On reading/interpreting the
Scriptures
Izzy, how do you know who is a believer to decide if you should take him at
his word? Some on this group say they are believers but you do not believe
that they are. If they are believers, regardless of whether you think they
are believers or not, aren't you breaking 1 Cor 13 if you do not take
? Do you believe the
mormons, for instance, when they claim to be true followers of Jesus
Christ?
I don't because I know they can't follow JSmith and Jesus at the same time.
izzy
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Question to the co-moderators: Argumentum ad Hominem is one of the
fallacies in the study of logic. Perhaps it has no place on TT.
That is like saying a shovel has no place in digging a hole. The hole is
the object...the shovel only enhances our ability
Kevin, I understand your point of view, but there are a few things I want to
mention.
1. Most posters on TT ( along with the rest of the world) are very sly at
couching thier ad-homs in iffy borderline statements.
2. If I made a practice of trying to call every sly iffy borderline ad-hom,
I
TT members,
At times I have psoted negative ad-hominem comments just like others on
the list have from time to time. Speaking for myself on this, anytime I have
posted such negative comments, whether slyly, or blatantly, I have ALWAYS
known exactly in what spirit I have posted these
John,
Snakes need to be loved, too. No ad herpiem references, please :-)
Perry
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sinless Perfection.htm
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:57:03 -0500
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David Miller wrote:
This discussion forum is to talk about Truth, not to talk about list
members. Do you think this is a gossip forum? MODERATOR? A little help
here please.
I apologize for being behind on the posts this week. There have been
many, and I am on vacation visiting family in
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