Re: [TruthTalk] No hell of Fire Brimstone-DaveH

2004-01-20 Thread Charles Perry Locke
So Perry..I don't understand why YOU don't understand why I don't respond to much of this nonsense. There is simply no way I can win if I allow myself to be led to the slaughter. DaveH, many on TT believe that you have already been led to the slaughter. Perry

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons and Women

2004-01-20 Thread Charles Perry Locke
they wanted to show us, so it was no big deal to me.. From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormons and Women Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:59:08 -0800 Charles Perry Locke wrote: LDS do not let visitors roam the temple at will during

Re: [TruthTalk] No hell of Fire Brimstone-DaveH

2004-01-19 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DaveH, Why do you consdier a lot of nonsense the plethora of contradicting and indicting statements coming directly from the LDS standard works and other authoritaive momron lilterature which Kevin has cited? Does that mean you do not have to deal with them if you ignore them? Well, they are

Re: [TruthTalk] suffering ego

2004-01-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] God commanded polygamy to be started, for good reasons-- but later rescinded it for good reasons. Please quote the LDS work that indicates that God rescinded polygamy. _ Check out the

Re: [TruthTalk] Dean Ruben

2004-01-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dean Ruben Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:40:33 -0800 Charles Perry Locke wrote: BLAINE: Now Abraham was an adulterer? I am shocked! I am outraged!! Do all TT'rs agree with this? I agree that Abraham was an adulterer, ... and David

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk False Teachers-Ad. Hom attack David.

2004-01-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DavidH, I had asked you to answer few questions regarding mormon heaven(s) last Thursday, and have not seen an answer. Either I missed them, or you have not answered them. If you do not intend to answer them, that is fine, but please let us know why. Here is a synopsis of the discussion with

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk False Teachers-Ad. Hom attack David.

2004-01-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DavidH, Thanks for the response, although you really didn't answer any of the questions, but that is your choice, which I respect. The reason I asked the questions is not necessarily because I needed to know an answer, but I think in all honesty that all TT'rs should know the Mormon

Re: [TruthTalk] Dean Ruben

2004-01-17 Thread Charles Perry Locke
] Dean Ruben Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:40:33 -0800 Charles Perry Locke wrote: BLAINE: Now Abraham was an adulterer? I am shocked! I am outraged!! Do all TT'rs agree with this? I agree that Abraham was an adulterer, ... and David was both an adulterer DAVEH: Have you

[TruthTalk] The Mormon Shuffle (commonly known as the Utah side-step)

2004-01-16 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, From my point of view Kevin is basically shooting you guys with your own gun. He is only quoting what your guys say, and any logical thinking person can certainly see the inconsistent and contradictory nature of your leaders and church. I call it the Mormon Shuffle. You guys are so

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2004-01-16 Thread Charles Perry Locke
as adults who already know it all? Huh? - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave Blaine, The universe is all that exists, whether we can perceive

Re: [TruthTalk] Dean Ruben

2004-01-16 Thread Charles Perry Locke
BLAINE: Now Abraham was an adulterer? I am shocked! I am outraged!! Do all TT'rs agree with this? I agree that Abraham was an adulterer, and Jacob was an adulterer, and Moses was a murderer, and David was both an adulterer AND a murderer, and Soloman was an adulterer. JS was an adulterer

Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim Jehovah 2 sinners?

2004-01-16 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Rabbi Blaine, are you a child of Israel? From: Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim Jehovah 2 sinners? Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:05:34 -0700 Blaine: The OT tells us we should keep the 7th day as a sabbath

Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim Jehovah 2 sinners?

2004-01-16 Thread Charles Perry Locke
is of Ephraim, according to my Patriarchal Blessing. I share this lineage with many Native Americans. How about yourself? Are you of the Lord's ancient covenant people? - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:57 AM

RE: [TruthTalk] suffering ego

2004-01-16 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, I would challenge to a battle of the wits, but I never fight an unarmed man. From: Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] suffering ego Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:43:05 -0700 Perry writes: I agree that Abraham was an

Re: [TruthTalk] suffering ego

2004-01-16 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Nlaine, Since you come from an adulterous church, I can understand your being upset at my identifying the adulteries of Biblical men. If you were to admit that those men were adulterers, you would be also admiting the adulteries of JS and the many mormon men who have committed similar

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2004-01-15 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DaveH, Here we have another example of Mormons using words to mean different things than Christians. Dave, can you please answer these questions regarding the Mormon heaven: 1. Aren't there three levels of heaven (a.k.a. kingdoms)? 2. What are the conditions for entering each of the three

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2004-01-15 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine wrote: Other gods? When the plural is used by Mormons, it means God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Ghost. These are the same plurality being referred to in the Bible in Genesis 1: 26 which states: And God said, let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness . . .

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2004-01-15 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave Blaine wrote: Other gods? When the plural is used by Mormons, it means God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Ghost. These are the same

Re: [TruthTalk]LDS Elohim Jehovah 2 sinners?

2004-01-15 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine writes: Logical? conclusions, Kevin? You mean Kevin's brand of making logical conclusions, don't you? You could only derive your interpretation of the quotes you have furnished us with (so generously) if you wanted to prove your own belief that Mormons believe something they really

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2004-01-15 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is EASY, because that is where mankind lives! Kevin, that is the true, great, and ONLY right answer to the question! It reminds of the interview of a former bank robber. When asked why he robbed banks, he simply replied, Because that's where the

Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD

2004-01-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, didn't you also say at one time that Adam and the archangel Michael (or is it Gabriel) are the same being? From: Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:10:52 -0700 Kevin

Re: [TruthTalk] Adams FALL UPWARD

2004-01-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
, and was the angel who appeared to Mary, the Mother of Jesus Christ, and to Zacharias, the father of John the Baptist. This would suggest we all have pre-mortal names and identities as we lived in eternity before time was. Blaine - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2004-01-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Blaine Borrowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:15:05 -0700 snip God knew he secretly intended to usurp his throne, and assume his honor and glory as King of the Universe. snip

RE: [TruthTalk] Lost book of LEHI

2004-01-10 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Lost book of LEHI Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 22:49:37 -0800 (PST) Preface to the Book of Mormon 1830 Ed. snip —and being commanded of the Lord that I should not translate the same over again,

Re: [TruthTalk] False teachers False prophets

2004-01-06 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DavidH, that is an excuse for the GA's or Prophets of the LDS that I have heard before. It is just a way to dismiss the idiotic and uneducated statements of men with no god-given authority, but only what the LDS church allows them to have. Based on the fact that several GA's or Prophets (I am

RE: [TruthTalk] signed sealed delivered

2004-01-06 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Judy: The apostle Paul who wrote 2/3 of the NT says in his own words For what it is worth, Paul wrote more books of the NT than any other, but Luke actually wrote more words in his two books than Paul did in all of his writings. So, technically, when you account for the other writers, Paul

RE: [TruthTalk] False teachers.

2004-01-01 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DavidM, I have to agree with you that all religions contain error in their doctrine. Some more than others. And, I have not said that Momonism is any worse or better than any other cult claiming to be Christian. It just happens that for some reason I have been led to study Mormonism more than

Re: [TruthTalk] MORMON REDEFINITION ALERT

2004-01-01 Thread Charles Perry Locke
ip with Jesus Christ, sometimes it actually refers to Gentile (Japheth) nations, which are mostly of the Judeo-Christian- ethic. The Book of Mormon mostly uses it in the latter context. On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:01:55 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[E

[TruthTalk] MORMON REDEFINITION ALERT

2003-12-31 Thread Charles Perry Locke
WARNING! MORMON REDEFINITION ALERT!!!. Blaine is using a word that means something different to Mormon that to the rest of the english speaking world: To a Mormon "Gentile" does NOT mean "non-Jewish"...it means "non-Mormon." They have redefined the word, but notice Blaine did not bother to

Re: [TruthTalk] MORMON REDEFINITION ALERT

2003-12-31 Thread Charles Perry Locke
on TT Hopefully everyone is aware of this. The more you deal with mormons the more you will find this to be true. That is whay some people call them LDS-Liars Decievers Seducers. Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: WARNING! MORMON REDEFINITION ALERT!!!. Blaine is using a wor

RE: [TruthTalk] False teachers.

2003-12-31 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DavidM, How far can one's theology stray from the truth before they are not saved, and in danger of eternal damnation? It seems to me that there is a continuum that extends from orthodoxy (those who are truely 100% of and for God, and whose understanding of God is perfect, if any such exist),

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave/Blaine

2003-12-30 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, I did not say I read the Da Vinci Code...I only referred to the comment about it that appeared in Time magazine about the book. You seem to made an incorrect assumption here. Youcharacterized me (through allusion) as a "narrow-minded biblethumping enthusiast who believes the Bible is the

RE: [TruthTalk] False teachers.

2003-12-29 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DavidM, Mormons probably would turn to the Bible, but as I have said before, they redefine the words to fit the Book of Mormon and the DC. They literally read the JS position into the Bible. For instance, Baptism for the dead. You know that there is one measly verse in which Paul mentions

RE: [TruthTalk] possible spam

2003-12-29 Thread Charles Perry Locke
I add that the bloodline of Jesus was through Judah, the son of Jacob and Leah, his first and lawful wife. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] possible spam Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:14:14 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Judy wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave/Blaine

2003-12-29 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, You mentioned in an earlier post, which appears below, " Are you aware the Catholic Church destroyed approximately 80religiousworks/ gospels when compiling the Bible.? ". Where did you get this figure? I do notbelieve it is factual. If you are basing this statement on the December 22

Re: [TruthTalk] Let the games BEGIN

2003-12-28 Thread Charles Perry Locke
David, I happen to be about 30 minutes from D-Land. Wanna meet for coffee... er, herbal tea? From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Let the games BEGIN Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:27:45 -0800 irebukeu wrote: Perry

Re: [TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it

2003-12-27 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, it matters not to me whether Kevin already knows the answers to the questions he poses to you and DavidH. They are quite interesting and I am quite interested in the answers, and I suspect others on TT are as well. I also suspect Kevin's questions are to a great extent rhetorical, their

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Differences

2003-12-23 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, then this means you can never be sure of your salvation, because you never know if you have done all you can. Maybe YOU think you have done all you can, but maybe Jesus thinks you should have given the spare change in your pocket to that begger you spurned back in '97. Bam. No salvation!

RE: [TruthTalk] Happy Holidays!!

2003-12-23 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Gary, very nice Christmas card. Thanks. Perry Locke, Corona, CA From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Happy Holidays!! Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:30:45 -0700 (note :: no danger present! :: no Christmas tree pic/s enclosed:)

Re: [TruthTalk] HAPPY YULE DAY!!

2003-12-23 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Yes. It tells me you are avoiding the question. From: Blaine R Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] HAPPY YULE DAY!! Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:35:42 -0700 I only had four o's in my s-- you had10.:)Does this tell me

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy -You are right.

2003-12-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DaveH said: It kinda saddens me to think that even though my primary purpose to be on TT is to find out about the beliefs of Protestants, many TTers now do not want to discuss such with me, and those who do merely want to bury me with anti-Mormon arguments.I do appreciate you (DavidM, Judy and

Re: [TruthTalk] In the Style of DumptyH

2003-12-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DAVEH:I gave my simplified definition for 'damnation' so it would be easy for TTers to understand how I perceive it.(I do not necessarily expect you to accept my definition though.)Let me ask you two (Kevin and Perry, or anybody else who wishes to comment) what Jesus meant in Mt

Re: [TruthTalk] **Possible_Spam** Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 Dead part of gospel?

2003-12-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, when you quote scripture or extra-biblical works, please give the reference. From: Blaine R Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 Dead part of

RE: [TruthTalk] I didn't do that freaking email

2003-12-21 Thread Charles Perry Locke
AP, TPW, why do you not reveal your real name as most of the TT'rs have. Is there something you're afraid of, or are you hiding from someone or something? From: "Arsene Lupin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] I didn't do that freaking

RE: [TruthTalk] Dean Ruben

2003-12-21 Thread Charles Perry Locke
David, I have done all that you mentioned, including visiting the ancestral library. I was attending a trade show and conference at the Salt Palace and invited my LDS mother-in-law to share the room with me. While I "conferenced", she "genealogied". In fact, I thought it was quite unholy, an

RE: [TruthTalk] I didn't do that freaking email

2003-12-21 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: "Arsene Lupin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CPL: AP, TPW, why do you not reveal your real name as most of the TT'rs have. Is there something you're afraid of, or are you hiding from someone or something? TPW: Not fearful, I am in a line of work that requires me to. It's nothing personal and

RE: [TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it

2003-12-20 Thread Charles Perry Locke
et Blaine doesn't have more than one wife! Iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] I found it Blaine...but you lost it On

RE: [TruthTalk] Will we be gods?

2003-12-20 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DavidM, as I have pointed out in the Humpty Dumpty analogy, and as Kevin also pointed out in a previous post, the words Mormons use have been redefined, and when they use them it sounds as though they are agreeing with Christians, but they are using their own meanings for the words. For example,

[TruthTalk] A reference to the Mormon Temple Ceremony

2003-12-20 Thread Charles Perry Locke
"Few Mormons realize that the LDS temple ceremony is not of ancient origin, nor of modern revelation. Instead, the ceremony originated around 1790 when the Masons first conceived it for use in their secret society. Until 1990 the Mormon Temple Ceremony closely resembled the Masonic Initiators

Re: [TruthTalk] Will we be gods?

2003-12-19 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Mormon myth: "As god is man shall become." Sounds like the Mormons expect to be equal to their god at the very least. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Will we be gods? Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:12:21 -0700 BlaineRB:I THINK

[TruthTalk] Try this one, Blaine.

2003-12-19 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine wrote: Perry, your messages go to an attachment whenever I try to reply tothem. Yours are the only ones that do that. Any idea why? Blaine, I have not had anyone else report this particular problem, and I have no idea why they are doing that. Rather than hit "reply" on your last post I

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
3 00:03:07 -0800 Charles Perry Locke wrote: DaveH, I recall that we have touched on this topic in the distant past, DAVEH:I don't recall such..but frankly, I've been inundated by so many posts, I've had to shelve hundreds of them due to

[TruthTalk] In the Style of DumptyH

2003-12-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DavidH wrote: "First..to me, 'damnation' is the impedance of eternal progression." DaveH, your comment above reminds of the following line from Lewis Carrol's "through the Looking Glass": "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornfultone, "it means just what I choose it to

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-16 Thread Charles Perry Locke
AIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:12:39 -0800 Charles Perry Locke wrote: DaveM, I do not think the official doctrine of the LDS church is against polygamy...in the DC the Mormon go

Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-16 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, do you feel the same way about Paul when he was giving his credentials? From: Blaine R Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:33:42 -0700 Hi again Reuben, Now that I

RE: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-15 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DaveM, I do not think the official doctrine of the LDS church is against polygamy...in the DC the Mormon god says that any man who does not practice polygamy is damned...and the mormon god never revoked that command. They do not practice polygamy (at least mopst don't) today simply because it is

RE: [TruthTalk] just the BIBLE Dave

2003-12-15 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DavidH and Blaine, How can you continue in a system in which the founder consistently uttered false prophecy? It is so plain to see to those who are not in the LDS system andwho are seeking the truth and see LDS doctrine for what it is. How long can you continue to llie to yourselves about the

Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?

2003-12-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, can I get a scripture reference from you on your statement "blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is to shed innocent blood after having received a perfect knowledge via the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Christ, that God lives, and etc". I always thought it was to attribute the work of the Holy

Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: [TruthTalk] TEST

2003-12-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, 95% of the world's people are poor...why is it such a big deal that Joseph Smith was also poor? I would hardly call that a parallel. Now, if all (in fact, ANY)of his prophecies were correct, or he raised himself from the dead, I would call that an interesting parallel. Perry (a.k.a.

Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?

2003-12-11 Thread Charles Perry Locke
se who have proven their worthiness through secret oaths, grips, tokens, and penalties. Perry From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin? Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:12:23 -0800 Charles Perry Locke wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin?

2003-12-10 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DaveH: In order for one to feel "comfortable", as you put it, one does not have to know the truth. One onlyhas to believe that one knows the truth. cpl From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Value of Sin? Date: Wed, 10 Dec

Re: [TruthTalk] TEST

2003-12-09 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, can I get a scripture reference for your parenthetical comment on the answer to question 9? Thanks, Perry From: Blaine R Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TEST Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:14:53 -0700 On Sat, 6

RE: [TruthTalk] Baptism

2003-12-07 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Then why did Jesus tell many "your faith has saved you", but he never baptised anyone? From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Baptism Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 23:00:43 -0500 Terry wrote: How can I make you see

Re: [TruthTalk] Questions

2003-11-10 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Attending synagog is not what "keeps" the sabbath. Doing no work is what "keeps" the sabbath. From: "Judith H. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Questions Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:17:41 -0500 Hi everyone, I have questions

Re: [TruthTalk] Salvation of the Spirit v. Salvation of the Soul

2003-11-09 Thread Charles Perry Locke
..one can be saved from physical death, yet not be saved from spiritual death. Charles Perry Locke wrote: Does anyone on TT have insight into the diffference between salvation of the spirit v. salvation of the soul that they would like to share? Are they the same? Are they diff

RE: [TruthTalk] Salvation of the Spirit v. Salvation of the Soul

2003-11-09 Thread Charles Perry Locke
David, Thanks for responding to my post. Sorry it took me so long to get back to answering you guys, but I have been very busy. The reason I asked the question is because of some research I have been doing into salvation of the soul. I first heard about this concept, as separate from salvation

[TruthTalk] Salvation of the Spirit v. Salvation of the Soul

2003-11-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Does anyone on TThave insight into the diffference between salvation of the spirit v. salvation of the soul that they would like to share? Are they the same? Are they different? If so, what is the difference? Thanks, Perry Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus

Reason for Re: [TruthTalk] PROBABLE SPAM in subject

2003-09-23 Thread Charles Perry Locke
If you trace back to the message without "Re:" before the "PROBABLE SPAM" message, that individual's email handler detected something in the message that made it label it as probable spam. That would be Slade. Then, when he "Replied" to the message, the "Re:" was added to the beginning, and all

Re: Reason for Re: [TruthTalk] PROBABLE SPAM in subject

2003-09-23 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Actually, it most likely did not orginate with Slade's emailer, but his response was the first one in the thread to be labeled as probable spam. From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Reason for "Re: [Tru

Re: [TruthTalk] A Good Read/Taxes

2003-09-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Judith, the key is whether you are a citizen of the state in which you were born, or a citizen of the USA, Inc. If you have a SSN, then you are a citizen of USA, Inc and have "volunteered", by getting an SSN, to pay taxes. Now, once you have "volunteered" by getting an SSN, you are "required" to

RE: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House Churches

2003-07-31 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Izzy, you say home churches are hard to find...but I'll bet there'sone in your living room just waiting for you and your friends to attend! From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Practical Issues relative to House

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus is Jehovah]

2003-07-07 Thread Charles Perry Locke
ject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus is Jehovah Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 06:54:27 -0700 Charles Perry Locke wrote: DavidH, You haved begged the question David. You have created a logical inconsistency, then when confronted on it, swept it under the rug! Thi

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Plague

2003-07-06 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Marlin, they are easy to spot if they come into your area. They wear white shirts and ties, ride bicycles, and travels in pairs. From: "Marlin Halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Interesting. I hope these katydids don't come here! Mormon Plague Millions of ravenous Mormon Crickets, moving

Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus is Jehovah

2003-07-03 Thread Charles Perry Locke
is marching out of step but my son!) Perry From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus is Jehovah Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 06:54:27 -0700   Charles Perry Locke wrote: DavidH,    You haved begged the question David. You have created

Re: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise

2003-06-09 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Gary, I can understand someone tattooing their name on their ankle, but what is the significance of tattooing the date their, too? And why a pink tattoo? Are you trying to tell us something?! cpl From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise

2003-06-09 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Gary, I knew what it was all along...just yanking your chain. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 08:34:25 -0600 CP, No--it's just a _Paint Shop Pro_ overlay--as a date ref for DavidM ..if it

RE: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise

2003-06-09 Thread Charles Perry Locke
David, You can take it from this link, if you like: http://www.qsl.net/ae6gq/mask.jpg Perry From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Gluttony Exercise Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:08:04 -0400 Hey you all! Take it easy on

Re: [TruthTalk] Slithering

2003-06-08 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DaveH and other TTrs, I have figured DaveH out! With all of my questioning and analysis, here it is: 1) He has stated that he is not on TT to find the truth. He believes Protestants to not know the truth, and LDS to know the truth. To him, this places him in a superior position to

Re: [TruthTalk] Slithering

2003-06-07 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH:  So far Perry, I'm only hearing it from three vocal people..you, Izzy and g.    (At least I did not perceive that DavidM was complaining too.)  I'm not sure how many TTers are subscribed, but I suspect three does not represent a majority. Would other

Re: [TruthTalk] Roots

2003-06-07 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perry, Welcome back into the fold! This rejoices my heart! However, it saddens me that you were so disillusioned as to leave in the first place. Are you finding any greater satisfaction now? Please explain, either way, if you don't mind. I hope you and your

Re: [TruthTalk] Slithering

2003-06-06 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DaveH, This post reminds me of the old joke that goes something like this: A woman was watching the High School Marching Band at halftime, of which her son was a member. Once she located him in the formation, she was so excited that she cried out, Look! Everyone is out of step except my

Re: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-04 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH:  Note..I changed the subject line to more accurately reflect the nature of this discussion. Charles Perry Locke wrote: From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH:  I have repeatedly explained why I am on TT, Perry.  Do you not remember?  I am here to learn

Re: [TruthTalk] Natural birth or baptism?

2003-06-03 Thread Charles Perry Locke
  Charles Perry Locke wrote: Actually, Izzy, I figured this out in my first response to DavidH last December when I first joined TT. I have been watching for the last 6 months to see if my initial impressions were correct...and they have been proven out several times since then. Last December

Re: [TruthTalk] 2Iz: MMC/PP?/

2003-05-31 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Gary, I really want to read what you have to say, because I think you say some important things, but I cannot decode your cryptic style. I just don't have the time to try to figure it out. Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Natural birth or baptism?

2003-05-29 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DAVEH:  Simply put, to me a covenant is a two way promise.  God makes promises to his people, and his people make promises back.  For instance, the Lord has promised salvation to those who 'believe in Jesus'.  And, those who have faith and 'believe in Jesus' covenant with him to take upon

RE: [TruthTalk] Absent From The Body

2003-05-29 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Izzy, This is where the story of my Ouija board friend and the guy I heard on the radio 8 years later gets interesting. My friend told me that when they were using the Ouija board they would contact spirits. Some they had contacted before, and some were new to them. The various spirits

Re: [TruthTalk] Natural birth or baptism?

2003-05-29 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH:  I have repeatedly explained why I am on TT, Perry.  Do you not remember?  I am here to learn what Protestants believe and why they believe that way.  Do you have a problem with that? Well, yes I do. And the problem I have is that the first time I

RE: [TruthTalk] Natural birth or baptism?

2003-05-29 Thread Charles Perry Locke
most! Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Natural birth or baptism? From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: I have repeatedly

RE: [TruthTalk] Absent From The Body

2003-05-29 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Izzy, I really have no proof that they are not humans, but consider that we KNOW that demons are at work in the world, and that they are deceptive, liars, and imitators. Also consider that Satan does not have to make you evil or win you over to claim victory...he only has to keep you from

RE: [TruthTalk] Absent From The Body

2003-05-27 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Well, the first heaven is the one in which birds fly, the second is the heaven that holds all of the stars, and the third is where God lives! I am sure DavidH will take advantage of this moment to insert the LDS twist since they have a totally different, and unbiblical, view of it. From:

Re: PROBABLE SPAM Re: [TruthTalk] Absent From The Body

2003-05-27 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Some mail servers try to determine if an incoming message is SPAM. One of the ways they do this is if there are over a certain number of addressees on the To:, CC:, or BCC: lines. If the magic number is exceeded, the server treats it as SPAM. Some will delete the message entirely, some just

Re: [Fwd: [TruthTalk] The walking dead]

2003-05-27 Thread Charles Perry Locke
I think so, too. It is the sick that are in need of a physician, not the well! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Fwd: [TruthTalk] The walking dead] Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 22:34:05 EDT In a message dated 5/27/2003 9:27:40 PM Central Daylight

Re: [TruthTalk] Absent From The Body

2003-05-27 Thread Charles Perry Locke
] - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 27 May, 2003 08:56 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Absent From The Body So what you are saying, Slade, is that unless Paul attributes the words to Jesus, he could be just blowing

Re: [TruthTalk] It is written in Scripture, by works a man is justified

2003-04-12 Thread Charles Perry Locke
David, Their actions only demonstrated their faith. It was their faith that justified them. Take a look at Genesis 15:6. Perry From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] It is written in Scripture, by works a man is justified

RE: [TruthTalk] Judaizer

2003-04-12 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Miller wrote: Have you ever said to someone in normal conversation, man is not justified by faith only, but rather a man is justified before God by works. Perry wrote: I have never said this to anyone, because taken out of context like that it would

[TruthTalk] Sabbath Observance

2003-04-12 Thread Charles Perry Locke
What are all of these Sabbath observers doing turning on their computers and typing on their keyboards on the Sabbath? Isn't that doing work on the Sabbath? I thought they were supposed to rest instead. Strange folk, those Sabbath observers. Perry

Re: [TruthTalk] Protestant Support of Hitler II -- Churches in the Third Reich

2003-04-06 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Gary, I gots ta know. Why do you make your G's red, and why only some of them, but not all of them? If you ever described this, it must have been before I joined TT. Perry _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months

Re: [TruthTalk] The Masonic Washington Bible

2003-04-06 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DAVEH: So, are you troubled that it was used as a historical marker, Perry? Compared to many other Masonic symbols used by the LDS, the obelisk does not seem to be one of the major ones and, as far as I know, does not adorn LDS temples like many other Masonic symbols. The obelisk does have

Re: [TruthTalk] The Masonic Washington Bible

2003-04-06 Thread Charles Perry Locke
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Masonic Washington Bible Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 19:29:53 -0700 Charles Perry Locke wrote: Slade, et al, Interesting you should mention the Washington Monument. George Washington was a Mason, and at the dedication of the obelisk, a symbol of Masonry

[TruthTalk] Taught by the HS?

2003-04-06 Thread Charles Perry Locke
All TT'rs. I have noticed over the last few days of TT postings (and, since I subscribed in December of last year) that there are many different interpretations and uses of the exact same verses from the Bible, and many different views on salvation, the law, including Sabbath observance and

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