Goes without saying, Terry, although it doesn't
mean we don't ask for something more specific, and that the two may not
coincide.(Gethsemane?) In fact, the below is right in line with what I
have said. It is the same as saying, or having the attitude:God, it just
may be that what I am
I think the point of the illustration of asking
for bread and receiving bread instead of a stone is that if parents
being evil do not give something bad to their children when the child
asks for something good, then we should think at least as good about
God. Indeed, God does not give us
sh to rely on him to
do this?
Debbie
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From:
Debbie Sawczak
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 7:33
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of
Jesus
I think the point of the illustration of
asking
Even if we ask for stones, he gives
bread.
Debbie
- Original Message -
From:
Bill Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 11:30
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of
Jesus
John wrote The "miracles of the dark
Well! it's clearthat the Society For People
Whose Reflexes Are Not Functioning doesn't need many tax dollars, at
least.
Debbie
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 2:27
PM
Subject: RE:
Same here, on both counts. (Maybe I should think
about it more often?)
Debbie
- Original Message -
From:
Terry Clifton
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 8:56
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and
the rest of us
Can't
by evil spirits.
All of us are attacked by evil spirits. Even Jesus was. Just
because we recognize demonic activity does not mean that we are
thinking bad about the person. Please reconsider your last
sentence. :-) Peace be with you. David
Miller. - Original Message - From: Debbie
I am thinkingthat aone-to-one
association between demonic activity and conditions affecting certain parts
ofthe brain is a mistake.
Where these conditions can be adequately explained
by observable physical imbalances, malfunctions, damage,or whatever, why
would one ascribe them, as a
My latefather-in-law, a very intelligent
man,was bipolar from about his mid-50s and got worse during the time that
I knew him. During bad depressive episodes hewas extremely insulting
towards everyone, oftenaccusing my husband Jan of being a pimp who
secretly hired our children out as
torment. judyt
From: "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My latefather-in-law, a very intelligent
man,was bipolar from about his mid-50s and got worse during the time
that I knew him. During bad depressive episodes hewas extremely
insulting towards everyone, ofte
A but has this aught to do with our lives being
hid with Christ in God? Not much. Just everything!
If it doesn't, the gospel is
hollow.
Debbie
Just for the hell of it: this is what I'm going to
read this Thursday at my writing group. The person addressed is my son.
Debbie
At
the Royal Ontario Museum
We went to the ROM on the
third rainy day
of the May long
weekend,
rose from the subways dark
corners sharp with urine
to
Thank you. A rubbie is a homeless
alcoholic who will (in view of his pennilessness) take alcohol in any form,
including rubbing alcohol. Maybe it's a Canadian
term?
Debbie
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday,
ocess that culminates in that
momentI come to therevelatorylight that is Jesus
Christ. John 1:18 makes it clear that Christ is the explanation of God
the Father.
-Original Message-From: Debbie Sawczak debbie@kest.comTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent:
Sat, 20 Aug 2005 01:0
Self-revelation is always a huge risk.
Debbie
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From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:13
PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Poetry, Literature,
Imagination - Love of Language
As for me, I'm with
The friend who speaks thus is not describing his
own view, but Judy's and David's.If anythingis laugh-out-loudable
(in an affectionate way, of course!), itis that this was not
recognized!
Debbie
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From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
OK, David. Thanks. I think we agree that the means
of lightingis not the source, that the ultimate source is God,
and that we need revelation. That's far enough. The thinking
continues!
Debbie
Yes, I understand that he once was not there
as he now was, but in what way did you finally
Judy, since you have addressed me: I sincerely and
readily admit my ignorance as well asmy helplessness without the Holy
Spirit (and the communion of saints). Also, I don't know of anybody whom Lance
regards with scorn.
Debbie
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
with it an implication that we may be called upon either to fix the
situation or to make full amends for it. But we cannot and are not--God has
taken it upon himself to do both.
Debbie
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From: Debbie Sawczak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Thursday
by the
HS.
As for having the HS: He has always existed and interacted with human
beings. He can act on the understanding without indwelling the person as
those in Christ are indwelt.
Debbie
- Original Message -
From: Debbie Sawczak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
on the understanding without indwelling the person asthose in
Christ are indwelt.Debbie-
Original Message - From: "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent:
Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:41 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam -
sin - and the rest
The HS's action I am referring to is pre-believer, and I clarify the
content in the sentences that come after. But if it helps, just leave off
that second who clause, as I believe the word convict may have been a
bad choice and is distracting.
I have not denied the existence of the
Did you read my subsequent post on this one? I think I answered as much as I
can there.
Debbie
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
as an
argument for why I am right. Rather, I am merely presenting how it is
that I came to my conclusion -------- thus
far.
JD
-Original Message-From: Debbie Sawczak
debbie@kest.comTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10
Izzy, you misunderstand entirely. In that sentence
Iwasn't referring to the problem with the human race. I meant the problem,
if any, that Davidhad with my statement about the difference between
unfallen humanity and restored humanity.
Debbie
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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:56 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
Jonathan said:
grasping for autonomy
I think this is the nub. We could add that instead of seeking
what do you rely, if
not
the conscience. What part of you knows the difference between right and
wrong? iz
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sawczak
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:40 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re
I see; thanks for spelling that out. I have some uncertainty, especially
given our different understandings of flesh, and the fact that I've never
encountered (3) before in an articulation of the fall. I think our views
would overlap. I'll continue thinking about this. Meanwhile you can put me
I thought it was a pretty clear and faithful
summary (apart from the tongues, which I personally hadn't noticed you making an
issue of).
Debbie
- Original Message -
From:
David Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:15
PM
Perhaps it is time I stuck my neck out and said
something.
I think Judy is closer to the truth on this one
than either David or JD, at least in terms of the severity of the human
condition. We are all born with the "disease" and therefore manifestits
symptoms, and it infects all aspects
nal Message-From: Debbie Sawczak debbie@kest.comTo:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:31:16
-0400Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
Perhaps it is time I stuck my neck out and said
something.
I think Judy is closer to the truth
Our conscience can by no means be relied upon
toreveal good and evil. If it could, we would all have identical
consciences, but conscience varies from person to person and from society to
society in space and time. It is a social construct. By it we know only that we
do or do not measure up
Jonathan said:
grasping for autonomy
I think this is the nub. We could add that instead of seeking autonomy we
might also willingly give ourselves over to some other god or power rather
than the Father.
Trying to identify and box in sinful acts misses the point about sin. I
think it also
I don't want to make this all-important, David, but
I do want to respond and make sure Ihaven't misunderstood you.
You say that we are not born oriented towards God,
andthatwhen you were a child your spirit had no inclination towards
God until you were prodded by the Holy Spirit. Do you
I'm not surewhere the problem lies. Yes, what
Christ accomplished deals with all the negatives, butgoes beyond that, and
I thought you said as much yourself in an earlier post (which I can't take the
time to find right now; you used our future judging of angels as an
example--remember?).
Ditto.
Debbie
- Original Message -
From:
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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 9:38
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and
the rest of us
Someone like TF
Torrancewritingabout'The Mediation of Christ'
Well, as a Canajan I particularly liked that you
got the beavers and loonsin there!
Debbie
- Original Message -
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:28
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Humanity of
Jesus
Debbie
David wrote:
The heart is not the flesh, but
rather it is the spirit, the center of man. Jesus was a pure man, the Son
of God, in the form of sinful flesh, in mortal form, that he might conquer
sin and the lust of the flesh, the pride of life, and all that has caused
men to depart from the
Judy, your claim is completely untrue. You have
always insisted on the text of the Bible only, and what's more, the text of the
KJV only, as an authoritative source, but now whenyou are
scramblingin an argument, you resort to the same kinds of sources the rest
of ususe. It is ludicrous to
The first paragraph belowrings like
chaptersin the book of Job. (That's a good thing! --and probably your
intent.)
Debbie
- Original Message -
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 10:20
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
I argue that his uniqueness stems from his
spirit, his identity as the Son of God. The word "likeness" in
Romans 8:3 is used, not to convey that Jesus had an imitation body or a
counterfeit human flesh, but rather to point to the similarity or likeness
of his body to sinful flesh. It
David, if that's what you meant by shrinking back
to your cave, I echo Izzy. But if you meant just taking a breather from that
specific thread--no problem.
Debbie
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday, August 06,
I have to admit that I have
spent way too much time responding to this. It won't hurt my feelings if
we stop here. Or, perhaps we could just discuss the primary, most
important points one at a time. I have many unread messages and it does
not look like I will get caught up on reading
If you will forgive me for sounding the same note
every time: these are not and cannot be two separate things. It is only by an
encounter with Christ, in which he "takes us in hand" and reveals to us who he
is byhis Spirit,that we can even recognize and know him as Saviour.
Just this
Please, David, stop patronizing me in this
ridiculous fashion. Your condescension only serves as a temptation to contempt.
The problem has nothing to do with the amount of detail I can hold in my mind;
if anything, it is the reverse.But the realissue for me has never
been mere quantity of
My inclination is to be skeptical of the innocence
of your intentions. (When you say things like"everybody has a threshold
for the amount of details they can abstractly hold in their mind" and "some
people can think in 3 or 4 dimensions while others are taxing their brains to
think in 2
A caveat, David: in order to really test a
viewpoint I have to get inside it. That sounds the same as a full endorsement.
If I sound cocky at times while doing this, it's not because I am not aware that
I am "reaching". But unlessI "reach" for something I never can really
grasp it, and will
Well, he did some (Emmaus road comes to mind, among
other passages), but if he didn't, it certainly wasn't becausemost people
understood him easily without it. However, sometimes no amount of explanation is
worthwhile, because what is blockingour understanding is
unwillingness.
Debbie
By "not big", do you mean their names were not much
mentioned, and they weren't much quoted? That has little to do with it. The
biggest influences are quite often not known by name and not consciously
recognized.
Debbie
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To:
by an
unconscious or subconscious mind or something like
that to whichAugustine, Calvin and the
enlightenment have heavy input? What proof do you have for this?
jt
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:11:55 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
By "not big", do you m
David: here is a response--and maybe a bulkier one than
you would've liked, sorry!--to your three questions to me about spirit. For
anyone not into the topic: feel free to ignore.
1) Yes, I agree without hesitation that there is
such a thing as spirit. There are beings who are not material.
Yes, unfamiliar things require more
explanation.
Debbie
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:59
PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Spirit
Nice thoughtful
reply, Debbie. I look forward to
Well, it depends which way you're facing,
eh.
Debbie
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:30
PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Theology from a
Heretic
Matt
25:31When the Son
of man
Like good song lyrics or a poem. You can't be
lazy.
Debbie
- Original Message -
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 2:55
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John
16:13,14
Are we all mad because
I can't say I've thought about it with any thoroughness before (which is why
I didn't want to commit myself to an endorsement of that content of your
post). I will do some thinking about it now, though, and may return to it as
per your request. My answer to your first question will obviously
Debbie wrote: Like good song
lyrics or a poem. You can't be lazy.DM wrote: What
about a bad song or poem, where you take the time to try and
understand, but then you are upset with the meaning you
uncovered.
Abad song or poem is onewhose meaning
upsets you??
But in any case, as I
Yes; after all, that IS a sure sign of the end of
the world!! (Or at least Judy's world.)
Debbie
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 7:02
PM
Subject: Re:
However, speaking of T-shirts not saying what you
expect them to say: last summer I saw someone in a parking lot whose T-shirt
read, in large black caps, PERPETUAL CONJECTURE. I thought that was a pretty
intriguing thing to put on a T-shirt and I also liked the sound of the words (as
in,
Izzy responds: So you really don'tobject, on the
grounds of being a nonbiblical term, if we use the term "spiritual death"
Bill?
I
think you are a bit confused, Izzy.It is not the term (since it
haslong ago been shown here that objection to a "nonbiblical term" is
inherently absurd) but
Izzy
responds: If you were born "from below" the first time, and "bornfrom
above" the second time, wasn't the second time born "again"?
Yes.However,"from above" adds specific content that is not
contained in "again", and it is that content which may be the focus of the
passage.
Debbie
David, I appreciate the substance and tone of this
post you wrote to Judy (apart from whether or not I happen to have the same
opinion about spiritual inheritance). I wanted to say something similar but you
didso better than I would have. The reality that we are powerfully
influenced by
Your analogy is very good for pointing out the
weakness of the human flesh, but there are some things to consider
before we accept whether or not it is applicable to our ability to walk
in love. First, the issue of playing the sonata deals not with
just playing one note, but with the
Judy, I will point out that this is typical of your
tendency to misread or distort. I did not saythat Christ cannot live
without us, and I don't think you truly believe that I did.
In another post today, you wrote: Any doctrine that does not lead ppl professing Christ into
godliness and
Debbie wrote: Yes, there are
Catholics who think this way. And there are Catholics who
practice birth control, abortion, curse like a sailor, fornicate,
commit adultery, murder for the right cause, etc. etc. Finding
Catholics who think this way really does not say anything.
All it says
Folks, we are going on a camping vacation for two weeks and the next couple
of days will be spent preparing, as well as trying to pull off a birthday
party for our second son. So I am unsubscribing for now, but want to go on
record as saying that I have enjoyed this third stint on TT, and I
Before I leave though: Bill and David, would you
kindly postpone the discussion suggested below? I don't want to miss
it!
Debbie
Bill wrote:
Iwould like to have a discussion sometime
(although it'll have to wait awhile)about epistemological humility as it
relates to the study of
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Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:12
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the
Bible
On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 12:54:04 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy, I will point out that this is typical of
Also, if you believe that we can sometimes
love, why would you not believe that we can always
love?
OK, just taking this sometimes --
always thing on its own: I see what you mean about people
saying"theoretically". Because of course, at any given moment we could
love. Sure. It is
are there
Catholicswho think this way--transubstantiation'snot an
absolute?
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:39:30 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..whether or not you believe in
transubstantiation as some conceive of it,the point this kind of
languagetri
in many other churches.
Debbie
- Original Message -
From:
Debbie Sawczak
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All believers
are ONE IN CHRIST
I don't know. But if I ever convert to
Catholicism, I will so
(?)
- Original Message -
From:
Debbie Sawczak
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the
Bible
Also, if you believe that we can sometimes
love, why would you not believe that we can always
love?
OK, just
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 19:18:40 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't know. But if I ever convert to
Catholicism, I will so think.
Debbie
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From:
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To: TruthTalk@mail.i
IN CHRIST
you're saying
that (e.g) transubstantiation effects faith--what controls
faith?
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:05:35 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I see how it can be regarded as an aid to
reason, although (as with some other Catholic
"Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No, I don't think I said it effects faith. I
mean that it doesn't make faith unnecessary.
Debbie
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From:
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
19:00:44 -0500 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Debbie Sawczak wrote:
.We are the weak link in the chain.To the
extent we are able to live outour reconciliation to God at all, it
is because of Christ in us. But it is not Christ without us who
Also, Izzy, there are traditions beyond whether you
use a guitar or an organ or whether the announcements come before or after the
offering or how many times you have communion. There are also traditions like
always supporting a particular political party or ideology, using or avoiding a
Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!
Debbie
- Original Message -
From:
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 7:51
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the
Bible
And what is the response of many a believer to the
Well, for one thing, he is present in individual
Catholic believers.
Debbie
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 7:57
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All believers
are ONE IN CHRIST
Can you
[Note thread title change, a bit late.]
Ditto. For David: I am in process of preparing a
response to yours on the topic (which introduced anew thought or two for
me, so I am taking my time), butI may not need to if youand
Christine are saying the same thing.
Debbie
- Original
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From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:48
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All believers
are ONE IN CHRIST
How does this spirit manifest itself?
How can I know that it is the Spirit of God?Debbie Sawczak
[EMAIL PROTECTED
they actually grasp and celebrate and
practise better than other Christians. And most evangelicals (including those
evangelicals who have been Catholics themselves), misunderstandmany
Catholic teachings and traditions.
Care to offer specific examples?Debbie Sawczak
[EMAIL PROTECTED
But for now, David, just the following
clarification:
Debbie wrote: The practical upshot of
this is not that we should have no
confidence at all as interpreters,David
responded:
This would be a BAD thing, not a good
thing.
I'm wondering if you missed the "not" [in red]
above. I agree
That was the very first thing I thought of, too!
Debbie
- Original Message -
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All believers are ONE IN CHRIST
Ahh shades of Monty Python. (dead bird
On Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:34:13 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Also, Izzy, there are traditions beyond whether
you use a guitar or an organ or whether the announcements come before or
after the offering or how many times you have communion. Ther
12:24
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal sonship of Christ
DAVEH: ??? Cannot one who is eternal have a
beginning?Debbie Sawczak wrote:
And by "not eternal", we mean "having
Izzy, it is not irrelevant, and none of us hates
America. I think giving by individuals and private groups of individuals is an
important consideration in all of this. The institutionalization of giving is
not a good thing insofar as it obliterates giving by individuals or removes the
Mostly differences that make for messier slogging when I am wading through
Judy's. More lily pads, duckweed, that sort of thing. No difference as to
the fundamental nature of the beast, though.
Debbie
- Original Message -
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
MAN you guys get distracted by your own
baggage attached to words! Certain words to you are just like red flags to a
bull, regardless of what they mean in the context. (It reminds me of my
10-year-old son, who cannot abide the number 55.)OK, instead of saying
"part of the Christian
think. jt
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:15:16 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mostly
differences that make for messier slogging when I am wading
throughJudy's. More lily pads, duckweed, that sort of thing. No
difference as tothe fundamental nature of the beast,
is it so low in
wealthy countries like Canada?Debbie Sawczak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: Izzy, it is not irrelevant, and none of us hates America. I think
giving by individuals and private groups of individuals is an important
consideration in all of this. The institutionalization of giving is not a good
ong with a few alien doctrines?
It's a whole lot more than semantics Debbie - it's
the reality behind the words. Remember? jt
On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:24:41 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
MAN you guys get distracted by your
own baggage attached to words!
Yes, I certainly do. In fact, you may have noticed
the parenthesis I included towards the end of the post occasioning this little
dialogue: "let alone whether it has been preceded by any more careful attention
to Scripture or to the voice of the Spirit". I don't think the "dynamics"
BTW, Thank you David and Izzy for your kind remarks re writing. And David,
in the unlikely event I go to Florida, I would be delighted to do lunch.
Debbie
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you
ought to answer every man. (Colossians
Blue.
- Original Message -
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus of the
Bible
David Miller wrote: When a
person says that they will always sin, this is the same thing as
saying
Ihave to come back to this, Judy. Your denial
of the relevance of the belowis itself a symptom of (another) dualism.
Reality is only one ballpark.The lensthrough which we see tends to
affect our vision of everything, the way we think about everything. We can be
alerted to the lens through
Exactly.
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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:33
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] All believers
are ONE IN CHRIST
Since forever.
Jd-Original Message-From: Kevin
Wait. I am taking that back until I can articulate
properly what it means. I really should put my hand over my mouth now. Good
night.
Debbie
- Original Message -
From:
Debbie Sawczak
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:23
AM
And by "not eternal", we mean "having a beginning".
We agree our life in Christ has no end.
Debbie
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From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 8:53 AM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Apologetic for the eternal
response from
your's, Debbie.
- Original Message -
From:
Debbie Sawczak
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: July 05, 2005 09:11
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christian
Perfection
Itwas certainly a compliment--but perhaps
a nudge, too
Judy, almost every timewe read one of your
messages we are "wading through theological stuff"--your theological
stuff, which at times is a veritable swamp. Not that we aren't all somewhat
swampesque some of the time, so we don't mind that. But you must stop thinking
you are doing any less
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