Re: Skype

[Dave]

Hi Sieghard, I personally don’t use skype any more, since they started messing 
it up.

Have you taken a look at viber?

not sure about the price of their plans, but it might be worth checking it out.

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 6:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Skype

Hi,

 

Anyone who uses Skype? I don’t use it often, but today when I wanted to use it 
the app opened. Then it crashed and I was able to open it once afterwards, now 
it crashes each time I try to open it back to the home screen.

I unloaded all apps, I rebooted the phone and I even deleted the app and 
redownloaded it, it still crashes.

I must say this thing annoys me no end lately. I mostly use it for calls to 
landlines and cell phones in Germany, their subscription which I think gives me 
400 minutes a month (way more than I need) is really quite cheap..

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

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Re: best braille display in general

[Eric Oyen]

the Braille Sense U2 has a removable battery pack. It's lithium Ion and those 
things have a pretty long shelf life, but after 5 years, they are starting to 
wear thin. I could also probably take the battery module over to Batteries Plus 
and have them rebuild it. That will cost about $80 or so.


-eric
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> mine did. 
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>> I use my braille sense with a silk cover over the unit. I can read the 
>> braille through the silk. This does 2 things:
>> 1. keeps the cells clean
>> 2. keeps my fingers off the dots (no chance of them getting dirty). 
>> 
>> The silk cover can be cleaned with woolite or even dawn dish soap. I have 
>> had my sense U2 now for 5 years and all cells still work as new. :) I think 
>> I will have to order a replacement battery though. the one that came with 
>> the unit doesn't hold a charge nearly as long as it once did.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Eden wrote:
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>>> a times a day because I constantly use my display. I also clean it now and 
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>>> bad in 6 months because I was not careful. This time, I had one last for 2 
>>> years without any cell problems but now I have. I'm hoping for the best 
>>> that the new Focus. 
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Re: Skype

[Lielle Ben Simon‫ליאל בן סימון‬‎]

hello Sieghard, i usis in skype on my iPhone 7, and i have no crashes it works 
fine to me. Which iPhone do you use? it could be diferent for iPhone moddels 
but i don't sure this defenatly.

Sent from  my iphone

‫ב-5 בפבר׳ 2018, בשעה 8:22, ‏‏Sieghard Weitzel ‏ כתב/ה:‬

> Hi,
>  
> Anyone who uses Skype? I don’t use it often, but today when I wanted to use 
> it the app opened. Then it crashed and I was able to open it once afterwards, 
> now it crashes each time I try to open it back to the home screen.
> I unloaded all apps, I rebooted the phone and I even deleted the app and 
> redownloaded it, it still crashes.
> I must say this thing annoys me no end lately. I mostly use it for calls to 
> landlines and cell phones in Germany, their subscription which I think gives 
> me 400 minutes a month (way more than I need) is really quite cheap..
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
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Skype

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi,

Anyone who uses Skype? I don't use it often, but today when I wanted to use it 
the app opened. Then it crashed and I was able to open it once afterwards, now 
it crashes each time I try to open it back to the home screen.
I unloaded all apps, I rebooted the phone and I even deleted the app and 
redownloaded it, it still crashes.
I must say this thing annoys me no end lately. I mostly use it for calls to 
landlines and cell phones in Germany, their subscription which I think gives me 
400 minutes a month (way more than I need) is really quite cheap..

Regards,
Sieghard

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Re: best braille display in general

[Janet Bell]

Hi Eden don't wory about it I just didn't know if you knew it was happening. 
Janet


-Original Message- 
From: Eden

Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 5:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: best braille display in general

Sorry for that. They're not blank I don't think. For some unon reason, since 
Ios 11, sometimes my messages don't start where they should. I'll make a 
note to be more careful.


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Re: best braille display in general

[Eden]

Sorry for that. They're not blank I don't think. For some unon reason, since 
Ios 11, sometimes my messages don't start where they should. I'll make a note 
to be more careful.

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Re: best braille display in general

[Janet Bell]

Hi Eden your messages are blank

From: Eden 
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 9:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: best braille display in general




Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 4, 2018, at 8:47 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:


  Well, I’m glad you’ve had better luck with it than I have.

  Devin Prater
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  , Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by 
World Services for the Blind 


On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:47 AM, alia robinson  wrote:

and I can’t recommend it highly enough. It is by far the best display I 
have *ever* used with the best customer service.


On Feb 4, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the 
Micro USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now 
stopped working. No, I cannot recommend this display.



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dot braille, and the new one does have a DD micro slot, but it's not activated 
yet. Sometime in the spring, they plan to release an update tw make it operable 
as a very simple notetaker and have  the ability to read books. The earlier 
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Re: best braille display in general

[Maria Reyes]

Don't the refreshabraille 18s have the charger already in the port? at least 
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> On Feb 4, 2018, at 8:52 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:
> 
> I use my braille sense with a silk cover over the unit. I can read the 
> braille through the silk. This does 2 things:
> 1. keeps the cells clean
> 2. keeps my fingers off the dots (no chance of them getting dirty). 
> 
> The silk cover can be cleaned with woolite or even dawn dish soap. I have had 
> my sense U2 now for 5 years and all cells still work as new. :) I think I 
> will have to order a replacement battery though. the one that came with the 
> unit doesn't hold a charge nearly as long as it once did.
> 
> -eric
> 
>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Eden wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, you must must wash your hands a lot. I probably wash my hands 10 to 20 
>> a times a day because I constantly use my display. I also clean it now and 
>> put a cover over it. For instance with my first braille sense, cells went 
>> bad in 6 months because I was not careful. This time, I had one last for 2 
>> years without any cell problems but now I have. I'm hoping for the best that 
>> the new Focus. 
>> Eden   
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Re: About Screen Recording

[Richard Turner]

Well, it could be a phone issue then. Anyone with an iPad on the beta?

Richard




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On Feb 4, 2018, at 6:12 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Hi Richard,

I am also running iOS 11.3 public beta on  my 6S Plus and the problem persists.
As soon as I enable the microphone and start screen recording Voiceover 
switches to the earpiece and you can’t hear it on the recording.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
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Subject: About Screen Recording

I checked with our moderator first before posting this.  He gave me permission 
to do so.

I’m running the 11.3 beta on my iPod Touch 6th Generation and Screen Recording 
works fine and VoiceOver volume remains at whatever you have it and it goes 
over the speaker.
So, my best guess is that the bug was resolved for the 11.3 release; whenever 
that might happen.

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RE: About Screen Recording

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Richard,

I am also running iOS 11.3 public beta on  my 6S Plus and the problem persists.
As soon as I enable the microphone and start screen recording Voiceover 
switches to the earpiece and you can't hear it on the recording.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 2:27 PM
To: 'ViPone list (viphone@googlegroups.com)' 
Subject: About Screen Recording

I checked with our moderator first before posting this.  He gave me permission 
to do so.

I'm running the 11.3 beta on my iPod Touch 6th Generation and Screen Recording 
works fine and VoiceOver volume remains at whatever you have it and it goes 
over the speaker.
So, my best guess is that the bug was resolved for the 11.3 release; whenever 
that might happen.

Richard
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Re: best braille display in general

[Eric Oyen]

I use my braille sense with a silk cover over the unit. I can read the braille 
through the silk. This does 2 things:
1. keeps the cells clean
2. keeps my fingers off the dots (no chance of them getting dirty). 

The silk cover can be cleaned with woolite or even dawn dish soap. I have had 
my sense U2 now for 5 years and all cells still work as new. :) I think I will 
have to order a replacement battery though. the one that came with the unit 
doesn't hold a charge nearly as long as it once did.

-eric

On Feb 4, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Eden wrote:

> Yes, you must must wash your hands a lot. I probably wash my hands 10 to 20 a 
> times a day because I constantly use my display. I also clean it now and put 
> a cover over it. For instance with my first braille sense, cells went bad in 
> 6 months because I was not careful. This time, I had one last for 2 years 
> without any cell problems but now I have. I'm hoping for the best that the 
> new Focus. 
> Eden   
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Re: best braille display in general

[Anthony Vece]

I always wash my hands frequently ever since I started using my Optacon in 1975.



Sent from my Verizon iPhone 8+!!!

> On Feb 4, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Eden  wrote:
> 
> Yes, you must must wash your hands a lot. I probably wash my hands 10 to 20 a 
> times a day because I constantly use my display. I also clean it now and put 
> a cover over it. For instance with my first braille sense, cells went bad in 
> 6 months because I was not careful. This time, I had one last for 2 years 
> without any cell problems but now I have. I'm hoping for the best that the 
> new Focus. 
> Eden   
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Re: best braille display in general

[Flor Lynch]

When Freedom Scientific was a stand-alone outfit, they had 20-cell braille 
displays in the form of the Braille Lite Millennium 20 series, and the PAC Mate 
20-cell display. Then they moved away from 20 cells, for some reason. 
From: Paul Richard McGann 
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 5:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com ; Devin Prater 
Subject: Re: best braille display in general
to all, 




i am fan  of focus 40 blue original. i know about focus 14, but i wish to have 
20. you can voice out to vfo groups and encourage them to try to produce 20 as 
to make reading faster. wink!



i did share feedback with vfo groups colleagues, and they want to hear for you 
if yo want 20 instead of 14, let them know. 




sincerely, 


rich





On 2/4/2018 12:13 PM, Devin Prater wrote:

  Oh I’d be fine with the 20 cells. I don’t like large braille displays. I’d 
love the Focus 14 the most.

  Devin Prater
  Assistive Technology Instructor


  , Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by 
World Services for the Blind 


On Feb 4, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
wrote:

The only thing at this point I wish the Orbit 20 had is 40 cells...  
After awhile, hitting the panning switch gets tiring.

From: llump...@austin.rr.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 12:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: best braille display in general

From the demos I’ve heard, its refresh rate was very slow and made a 
left-to-right thrashing sound when it refreshed. From the techtalk podcast of 
the Braille Me, I think its refresh rate is much faster and much quieter.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Devin Prater
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 11:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: best braille display in general
 
I wish I could get my hands on an orbit for a while, to see if it’s durable 
enough to use for years. I know, at $400, even if it isn’t durable, it’s cheap 
enough to replace every few years.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by 
World Services for the Blind 



  On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
wrote:
   
  Hi, thank you for this reply... I for many years, have not spent 
money on products such as Braille Displays or Printers and other high priced 
devices.  Before I pull thetrigger on a nice Braille Display, I need to 
know that what I choose, I will find that the money is well spent.
  I am using the Orbit 20 and absolutely love it!!  I read books and played 
a bit with the remote I Os side of it.  My only problem is, I just don’t have 
any idea of the others besides the Vario Ultra 40 of which I had about an hour 
demo with.  $4,000 scared me especially that there was around $400.00 warranty. 
 Too much money for uncertainty.  Again, thank you for your reply.  Andy and 
Shubert
   
  From: Devin Prater 

  Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 11:45 AM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Re: best braille display in general

   
  The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the 
Micro USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now 
stopped working. No, I cannot recommend this display.
  Devin Prater
  Assistive Technology Instructor
  
  , Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by 
World Services for the Blind 



On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe 
 wrote:
 
Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not available 
so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 Dots, and be able to 
save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed that the Focus 40 5th 
generation has been well rated but, what are the cons?  Is the German Display 
the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 Beta testing but, the only other I actually 
had in my hands was the va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert
Andrew J. LaPointe
Co-Chairman
Salem Commission on Disabilities
President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
34 Raymond Ave.
Salem, MA. 01970
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Calendar date differences.

[Malcolm Parfitt]

When the clock on my iPhone showed midnight the calendar item on the home page 
still showed yesterday’s date.  However, when I launched the calendar app it 
correctly identified that the date had changed from 4Th to 5 Th February.  It 
took around 6 minutes fr the change to be reflected on the home page.

The date complication on my Apple Watch correctly changed at midnight.

As anyone else noticed this discrepancy on their iPhones?

Malcolm

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Re: best braille display in general

[Eden]

Yes, you must must wash your hands a lot. I probably wash my hands 10 to 20 a 
times a day because I constantly use my display. I also clean it now and put a 
cover over it. For instance with my first braille sense, cells went bad in 6 
months because I was not careful. This time, I had one last for 2 years without 
any cell problems but now I have. I'm hoping for the best that the new Focus. 
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RE: best braille display in general

[M. Taylor]

Hello anouk,

You know, you just reminded me of something.  

I suspect that one reason why I've had such good results with my Braille 
display is because I always, always, always wash my hands thoroughly, paying 
particular attention to the tips of my fingers, before touching the display.  I 
frequently wipe down the display with a damp cloth, as well.  Further, I always 
keep the surface of the display covered, when not in use.  

I don't know about the newer models but the model that I have has a maintenance 
mode in which you can have all of the pins raised, simultaneously, for easy 
cleaning.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anouk Radix
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 1:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: best braille display in general

I think every display gets problems with its cells after a few years. They 
either need to be cleaned or in worst case replaced. I have had my brailliant 
for nearly 6  years now and it has been cleaned twice, no cells replaced and 
the cells are still good. But because your fingers go over the display so 
often, it needs to be cleaned after a few years to keep working properly. 
Unfortunately it is not that easy to do on your own.
Greetings, Anouk,

> On 4 Feb 2018, at 17:50, Patti Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Wow, That makes me wonder how truly durable any of them are.  I've had 
> two Hims displays that afte only a couple years end up with problems, 
> my u2 now has dots that are not coming up well, makes reading 
> sometimes difficoult.
> I am not paying to have it ifxed.
> I can honestly think that my Braille Lite was the only display I ever 
> had that lasted a really long time without problems.  Even my Pacmate 
> after a year or two started freezing up on me and t hat kind of thing.
> I am using a pacmate display now, and so far it's fine, but  the whole 
> pacmate itself had a lot of problems, for me.
> 
> Patti
> 
> On 2/4/18, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, 
>> the Micro USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots 
>> have now stopped working. No, I cannot recommend this display.
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>> 
>> , Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified 
>> by World Services for the Blind
>> 
>>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not 
>>> available so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 
>>> Dots, and be able to save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed 
>>> that the Focus 40 5th generation has been well rated but, what are 
>>> the cons?  Is the German Display the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 
>>> Beta testing but, the only other I actually had in my hands was the 
>>> va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert Andrew J. LaPointe 
>>> Co-Chairman Salem Commission on Disabilities President, The Friends 
>>> of the Salem Council on Aging
>>> 34 Raymond Ave.
>>> Salem, MA. 01970
>>> Home, 978-745-4289 cell, 978-578-0185
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Re: best braille display in general

[Caitlyn Furness]

I like my brailliant bi 40 very much.  I’ve had good luck with Humanware 
customer service.

I also own a Braille Sense Plus which is still chugging along after ten years 
of use.  the only issue with it is the charging port where you have to jiggle 
the cord to get it to make contact enough to actually charge.  Unfortunately, 
this display is too ancient to be sent in for fixing the charging port.  for 
feel in reading, I like the Hims display better then the brailliant, but the 
brailliant works better with my i phone and computer.  I use the hims for stand 
alone book reading now and nothing else.

HTH,
Caitlyn


> On Feb 4, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, thank you for this reply... I for many years, have not spent money on 
> products such as Braille Displays or Printers and other high priced devices.  
> Before I pull thetrigger on a nice Braille Display, I need to know that 
> what I choose, I will find that the money is well spent.
> I am using the Orbit 20 and absolutely love it!!  I read books and played a 
> bit with the remote I Os side of it.  My only problem is, I just don’t have 
> any idea of the others besides the Vario Ultra 40 of which I had about an 
> hour demo with.  $4,000 scared me especially that there was around $400.00 
> warranty.  Too much money for uncertainty.  Again, thank you for your reply.  
> Andy and Shubert
>  
> From: Devin Prater 
> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 11:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: best braille display in general
>  
> The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the Micro 
> USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now stopped 
> working. No, I cannot recommend this display.
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor
> 
> , Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by 
> World Services for the Blind
> 
>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not available 
>> so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 Dots, and be able 
>> to save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed that the Focus 40 5th 
>> generation has been well rated but, what are the cons?  Is the German 
>> Display the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 Beta testing but, the only other 
>> I actually had in my hands was the va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert
>> Andrew J. LaPointe
>> Co-Chairman
>> Salem Commission on Disabilities
>> President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
>> 34 Raymond Ave.
>> Salem, MA. 01970
>> Home, 978-745-4289 cell, 978-578-0185
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Re: Siri problem

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Richard!  That was just great:  so it isn't an acronym after all!

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RE: How to download pictures off the iphone to pc?

[pablocmd2014]

When I do it, I can’t find the iPhone connected to my computer. I am using 
windows 10 pro, and home edition. On none of these computers my iPhone is 
recognized by the file explorer. However iTunes recognized the phone.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Agent086b
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 3:42 PM
To: viphone 
Subject: Re: How to download pictures off the iphone to pc?

 

hi,

am I correct in thinking you can’t do this on a Mac? Well I can’t find how to 
do this anyway.

Max.





On 5 Feb 2018, at 7:18 am, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

Connect your iPhone to the PC, go to Windows Explorer and find the phone, you 
can copy pictures to the PC just like you would from any USB drive, but you may 
not be able to delete them.

 

 

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To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How to download pictures off the iphone to pc?

 

Hi Everyone,

How do you download pictures off the iPhone to the pc? Any help on this would 
be appreciated.

Mr. Ed

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Hi, 
Many of the commands for bluetooth keyboard with iOS are the same as on the 
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I checked with our moderator first before posting this.  He gave me permission 
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I'm running the 11.3 beta on my iPod Touch 6th Generation and Screen Recording 
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RE: best braille display in general

[llumpkin]

It’s “Braille me” and there is a “buy” link on their site. Though you’ll pay 
over $100 for shipping from there and not get technical support though I’d 
expect the company to stand behind their warrantee. They’re hoping for American 
distributorship soon. I suspect National Braille Press might be a distributor 
but I have no direct info on this. They are mentioned on the site.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
regina alvarado
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 4:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: best braille display in general

 

Where do you buy the brailleme display? Apparently, it is made in India? I can 
go to the link and I see everything there except brailleme.

Reggie and Lex


On Feb 4, 2018, at 12:05 PM, mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com> > mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com> > wrote:

>From the demos I’ve heard, its refresh rate was very slow and made a 
>left-to-right thrashing sound when it refreshed. From the techtalk podcast of 
>the Braille Me, I think its refresh rate is much faster and much quieter.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 11:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: best braille display in general

 

I wish I could get my hands on an orbit for a while, to see if it’s durable 
enough to use for years. I know, at $400, even if it isn’t durable, it’s cheap 
enough to replace every few years.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor


, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World 
Services for the Blind 






On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe mailto:alapoint...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

Hi, thank you for this reply... I for many years, have not spent money on 
products such as Braille Displays or Printers and other high priced devices.  
Before I pull thetrigger on a nice Braille Display, I need to know that 
what I choose, I will find that the money is well spent.

I am using the Orbit 20 and absolutely love it!!  I read books and played a bit 
with the remote I Os side of it.  My only problem is, I just don’t have any 
idea of the others besides the Vario Ultra 40 of which I had about an hour demo 
with.  $4,000 scared me especially that there was around $400.00 warranty.  Too 
much money for uncertainty.  Again, thank you for your reply.  Andy and Shubert

 

From: Devin Prater   

Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 11:45 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: Re: best braille display in general

 

The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the Micro 
USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now stopped 
working. No, I cannot recommend this display.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor


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Services for the Blind 






On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe mailto:alapoint...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not available 
so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 Dots, and be able to 
save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed that the Focus 40 5th 
generation has been well rated but, what are the cons?  Is the German Display 
the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 Beta testing but, the only other I actually 
had in my hands was the va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert

Andrew J. LaPointe
Co-Chairman
Salem Commission on Disabilities
President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
34 Raymond Ave.
Salem, MA. 01970
Home, 978-745-4289 cell, 978-578-0185

 

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Re: best braille display in general

[regina alvarado]

Where do you buy the brailleme display? Apparently, it is made in India? I can 
go to the link and I see everything there except brailleme.

Reggie and Lex

On Feb 4, 2018, at 12:05 PM,   
wrote:

>From the demos I’ve heard, its refresh rate was very slow and made a 
>left-to-right thrashing sound when it refreshed. From the techtalk podcast of 
>the Braille Me, I think its refresh rate is much faster and much quieter.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Devin Prater
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 11:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: best braille display in general
 
I wish I could get my hands on an orbit for a while, to see if it’s durable 
enough to use for years. I know, at $400, even if it isn’t durable, it’s cheap 
enough to replace every few years.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World 
Services for the Blind


On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  wrote:
 
Hi, thank you for this reply... I for many years, have not spent money on 
products such as Braille Displays or Printers and other high priced devices.  
Before I pull thetrigger on a nice Braille Display, I need to know that 
what I choose, I will find that the money is well spent.
I am using the Orbit 20 and absolutely love it!!  I read books and played a bit 
with the remote I Os side of it.  My only problem is, I just don’t have any 
idea of the others besides the Vario Ultra 40 of which I had about an hour demo 
with.  $4,000 scared me especially that there was around $400.00 warranty.  Too 
much money for uncertainty.  Again, thank you for your reply.  Andy and Shubert
 
From: Devin Prater
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 11:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: best braille display in general
 
The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the Micro 
USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now stopped 
working. No, I cannot recommend this display.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World 
Services for the Blind


On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  wrote:
 
Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not available 
so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 Dots, and be able to 
save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed that the Focus 40 5th 
generation has been well rated but, what are the cons?  Is the German Display 
the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 Beta testing but, the only other I actually 
had in my hands was the va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert
Andrew J. LaPointe
Co-Chairman
Salem Commission on Disabilities
President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
34 Raymond Ave.
Salem, MA. 01970
Home, 978-745-4289 cell, 978-578-0185
 
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Re: Question about family sharing

[Feliciano Godoy]

First, ensure app sharing is enabled on your device.
 Afterwards, on his device, go to the App Store, go to my account and then go 
to purchased and then you could look for the app for apps under your tab/ name.


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On Feb 4, 2018, at 12:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

You would have to make sure that in-app purchases are part of family sharing, 
often they are not.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kellie
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 12:48 PM
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Subject: Re: Question about family sharing

Thanks for responding. We do have family sharing enabled and I have my husband 
on it. He blind alive app says family sharing but I can’t seem to figure out 
how to share the exercise that I purchased on it.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 2, 2018, at 10:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Have you already set up Family Sharing in Settings > Your Name Apple Id (the 
first item at the top?
That would be your first step, if you double tap on that find Family Sharing 
and add your husband.

-Original Message-
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Kellie
Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 5:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Question about family sharing

Hey all, I had a question about family sharing. I have the blind alive app and 
it says that you can share with other family members. How do I accomplish this? 
Does this mean I can share an exercise that I purchased? I can’t seem to figure 
out how to share with my husband. If anybody has any tips I’d appreciate it. 
Thanks so much

Kellie and my lovable Lady J
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Re: best braille display in general

[Andy Baracco]

No message here.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Eden 
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  Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 1:43 PM
  Subject: Re: best braille display in general





  Sent from my iPhone

  On Feb 4, 2018, at 8:47 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:


Well, I’m glad you’ve had better luck with it than I have.

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  On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:47 AM, alia robinson  wrote:


  and I can’t recommend it highly enough. It is by far the best display I 
have *ever* used with the best customer service.



  On Feb 4, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:


  The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the 
Micro USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now 
stopped working. No, I cannot recommend this display.





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dot braille, and the new one does have a DD micro slot, but it's not activated 
yet. Sometime in the spring, they plan to release an update tw make it operable 
as a very simple notetaker and have  the ability to read books. The earlier 
Focuses gave me trouble from day  one, but this thing is a gem, does not unpair 
from my phone, switches easily between computer and phone, and I love it. 
  I don't see many cons to the Focus except the slot isn't working yet. The 
case is even nice. Perhaps others who have the 5th generation can tell you any 
cons they see.
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Re: best braille display in general

[Eden]

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 4, 2018, at 8:47 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Well, I’m glad you’ve had better luck with it than I have.
> Devin Prater
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> 
> , Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by 
> World Services for the Blind
> 
>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:47 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> and I can’t recommend it highly enough. It is by far the best display I have 
>> *ever* used with the best customer service.
>> 
>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> 
>> The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the Micro 
>> USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now stopped 
>> working. No, I cannot recommend this display.
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> dot braille, and the new one does have a DD micro slot, but it's not 
> activated yet. Sometime in the spring, they plan to release an update tw make 
> it operable as a very simple notetaker and have  the ability to read books. 
> The earlier Focuses gave me trouble from day  one, but this thing is a gem, 
> does not unpair from my phone, switches easily between computer and phone, 
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I don't see many cons to the Focus except the slot isn't working yet. The case 
is even nice. Perhaps others who have the 5th generation can tell you any cons 
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Re: best braille display in general

[Anouk Radix]

I think every display gets problems with its cells after a few years. They 
either need to be cleaned or in worst case replaced. I have had my brailliant 
for nearly 6  years now and it has been cleaned twice, no cells replaced and 
the cells are still good. But because your fingers go over the display so 
often, it needs to be cleaned after a few years to keep working properly. 
Unfortunately it is not that easy to do on your own.
Greetings, Anouk,

> On 4 Feb 2018, at 17:50, Patti Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Wow, That makes me wonder how truly durable any of them are.  I've had
> two Hims displays that afte only a couple years end up with problems,
> my u2 now has dots that are not coming up well, makes reading
> sometimes difficoult.
> I am not paying to have it ifxed.
> I can honestly think that my Braille Lite was the only display I ever
> had that lasted a really long time without problems.  Even my Pacmate
> after a year or two started freezing up on me and t hat kind of thing.
> I am using a pacmate display now, and so far it's fine, but  the whole
> pacmate itself had a lot of problems, for me.
> 
> Patti
> 
> On 2/4/18, Devin Prater  wrote:
>> The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the Micro
>> USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now stopped
>> working. No, I cannot recommend this display.
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>> 
>> , Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by
>> World Services for the Blind
>> 
>>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not available
>>> so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 Dots, and be
>>> able to save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed that the Focus 40
>>> 5th generation has been well rated but, what are the cons?  Is the German
>>> Display the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 Beta testing but, the only
>>> other I actually had in my hands was the va?? forget the name.  Andy and
>>> Shubert
>>> Andrew J. LaPointe
>>> Co-Chairman
>>> Salem Commission on Disabilities
>>> President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
>>> 34 Raymond Ave.
>>> Salem, MA. 01970
>>> Home, 978-745-4289 cell, 978-578-0185
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Re: best braille display in general

[Anouk Radix]

I myself am a big fan of baum braille displays unfortunately recently Baum 
Germany filed for bankrupcy. Not sure how that affects us distribution of 
course…
Greetings, Anouk,

> On 4 Feb 2018, at 17:47, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> and I can’t recommend it highly enough. It is by far the best display I have 
> *ever* used with the best customer service.
> 
> On Feb 4, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Devin Prater  > wrote:
> 
> The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the Micro 
> USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now stopped 
> working. No, I cannot recommend this display.
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Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

[Anouk Radix]

Ok, but then you use up an extra cell for a capital letter? I have used six dot 
braille with an old fashioned braille machine way back in the ninetees and then 
i think we used dot 4 and 6 BEFORE the letter we wanted to capitalize. No idee 
how we wrote a word in all caps.
Greetings, Anouk,

> On 4 Feb 2018, at 15:26, Janet Bell  wrote:
> 
> for capital letters on a six dot machine you use dot six first.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Anouk Radix
> Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 2:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
> 
> Hi, I personally like 8-dot braille for showing where the cursor is and for 
> showing capital letters.
> Greetings, Anouk,
> 
>> On 4 Feb 2018, at 06:01, Janet Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Richard I grew up with six-dot braille so prefer it I have never really 
>> understoodd why we need two more dots as we can use signs   Janet
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Andy Baracco
>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:32 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>> 
>> If you go to www.accessibleworld.org you can download a recent podcast on
>> this device.
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Janet Bell" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 10:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>> 
>> 
>> what is the braille me p.lease.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: llump...@austin.rr.com
>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 4:56 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>> 
>> We're waiting for the Braille Me. We heard the president of the company on
>> techtalk last Monday and we were very impressed. I highly recommend giving
>> it a listen and giving the product a look.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 9:44 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>> 
>> What it comes down to is personal preference.
>> I'm waiting to get my hands on the Orbit Reader 20 to see how it compares to
>> other displays.
>> I've used:
>> HIMS Braille Edge 40,
>> Baum's Vario Ultra 20 and 40,
>> Humanware's Braillliant BI,
>> Freedom Scientific's Focus 40 and 14; not to mention several of the full
>> braille note takers.
>> 
>> Of the above list, the HIMS BrailleEdge 40 was my favorite.  But, when it
>> died after 3 years and was going to cost close to $2,500 to repair when a
>> new one was just a little more, I decided to wait to see the Orbit 20, which
>> I have not seen yet.
>> 
>> I liked the Braille Edge because it is quiet, solidly built, easy to switch
>> from USB to Bluetooth, has basic note taking functionality using an SD card
>> and comes with a 2 year warrantee.
>> 
>> It is too bad there are not places where you can go and test all the
>> displays to see which one fits your needs the best, because there is no one
>> display that is right for everyone.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Sarai Bucciarelli
>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:27 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>> 
>> They now have a 14 Focus 5th gen as well if you want something smaller.
>> 
>> Sarai D Bucciarelli
>> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.linkedin.com%2Fin%2FSaraiDBucciarelli&data=02%7C01%7C%7C9244e8af6dd243a3470808d56b1a8ee8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636532684164446445&sdata=ICvIVMCds%2BBh%2BDqqvdAGF%2B5bdq1hzvV3fgDUQHEfsgk%3D&reserved=0
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Anouk Radix
>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 6:30 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>> 
>> So the focus works well with ios 11? I thought it would be a fairly bulky
>> device what are your experiences for using it on the go? Does it work well
>> in combination with laptops or is it to deep so that you have to reach too
>> far back?
>> I hope the braille cells wont be broken too quickly… Greetings, Anouk,
>> 
>>> On 3 Feb 2018, at 11:39, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I 2nd everything said, plus the fact that it is very quiet, and easy to use.
>>> 
 On Feb 3, 2018, at 4:13 AM, Eden  wrote:
 
> I tried the Brailliant for all of one day in early December. Bluetooth 
> sucked, and Usb was ok but not great. I sent it back. I now have the 
> focus 40 5th gen and absolutely love it. Dot quality is crisper, made of 
> more and steel no plastic, sd  slot included for use as a future ability 
> to read books and possibly write in stand-alone mode.  It comes with a 
>

Re: How to download pictures off the iphone to pc?

[Agent086b]

Thanks Mark, I use the Photos App now but was hoping there was a quicker way.
Max.

> On 5 Feb 2018, at 7:59 am, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Max,
> 
> The process of copying photos from iOS to Mac OS is somewhat more 
> sophisticated, (complicated) (smile), than it is on Windows.  The only reason 
> it's so simple on the PC is because Windows users, demanded that it be so.  
> But that story is for another day.
> 
> ON the Mac, you can use the photos application or various others to import 
> from iOS.  
> 
> I don't know if it is possible to simply copy files directly from the device 
> to the computer via Finder, as I have never attempted to do so.  Be that as 
> it may, the entire process is completely VoiceOver accessible in Mac OS.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Agent086b
> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 12:42 PM
> To: viphone
> Subject: Re: How to download pictures off the iphone to pc?
> 
> hi,
> am I correct in thinking you can’t do this on a Mac? Well I can’t find how to 
> do this anyway.
> Max.
> 
> 
> On 5 Feb 2018, at 7:18 am, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Connect your iPhone to the PC, go to Windows Explorer and find the phone, you 
> can copy pictures to the PC just like you would from any USB drive, but you 
> may not be able to delete them.
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
> Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 12:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: How to download pictures off the iphone to pc?
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> How do you download pictures off the iPhone to the pc? Any help on this would 
> be appreciated.
> Mr. Ed
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How Apple profits from selling you iPhones with little storage, USA Today

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How Apple profits from selling you iPhones with little storage
By Jefferson Graham, USA TODAY Updated 6:49 p.m. PST Feb. 3, 2018 

LOS ANGELES - Sure, Apple sold a boatload of iPhones in the holiday quarter
and made a mint.
But beyond the cash cow that is new iPhone sales, it also revealed how it's
profiting by selling units that don't have enough room to hold all its
customers' photos, videos and apps.

The iconic iPhone maker this week said it shipped 77.3 million iPhones,
along with 13.1 million iPads and 5.1 million Macintosh computers. 

But the more interesting number is the growing size of the iPhone army-now
at 1.3 billion people, up from 1 billion two years ago. 
"That's 300 million extra people you can sell to," says Patrick Moorhead, an
analyst with Moor Insights.
The No. 2 division at Apple is Services -including Apple Music, iTunes,
iCloud- now brings in more revenue than Macs or iPads, selling software, and
to Moorhead, it's not music subscriptions and iTunes movie rentals that are
fueling the charge, "but all those iCloud upgrades." 
Services grew to $8.5 billion, from just over $7 billion in the year ago
quarter, thanks to all those folks who probably awoke to nagging messages
from Apple that their iPhone storage was full, and that they needed to
upgrade, pronto.

On the old entry level 16 GB phone, the operating system takes up 4 GB of
space, and many apps now are so big that they clock in near 1 GB as well.
Even with the now standard starter 32 GB phone, snap some high-resolution
photos and videos, hold onto your texts and e-mails and a handful of apps,
and you're soon maxed out.

The basic iCloud service is free, but with just 5 GB of storage. Apple sells
iCloud upgrades starting at 99 cents monthly for 50 GB of storage, or $2.99
monthly for 200 GB. Unless iPhone users are tech savvy enough to figure out
alternatives, they will be out of room on their devices within weeks of
purchase. 

Based on the trajectory of past performance, if Apple never released another
iPhone, and just sat back and let Services do its thing, reaping about $8
billion for each of the next four quarters, it could generate $30-$40
billion a year in revenues just from storing people's photos and videos, and
selling them movie rentals and music subscriptions. 

Think about that for a moment.
McDonald's, the nation's largest restaurant chain, sells about $25 billion
worth of hamburgers and such every year. Apple already sells more Services
than it does Macs; now it's poised to sell more software rentals than
McDonald's generates with Big Macs.

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iPhone 7 'No Service' issue will be repaired by Apple for free, CNET

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Apple offers free repairs for iPhone glitch

The company says a "small percentage" of iPhone 7 devices may be telling
their users there's no cell service when in fact service is available.
February 3, 2018 1:51 PM PST

The repair is free, but we're afraid you'll have to buy your own burger.
By Sarah Tew, CNET 

Apparently for some iPhone users, seven isn't a lucky number. 
Apple is offering free repairs to owners of the "small percentage" of iPhone
7 devices that may be displaying a No Service notice in the status bar even
when cell service is available. 
In a support page notice late Friday, Apple said the glitch stemmed from a
faulty component on the gadget's main logic board. 

The problem phones were manufactured between September 2016 and February
2018 and sold in the US, Hong Kong, Japan, China and Macao, Apple said.
Three model numbers are eligible for the gratis fix. In the US (including
Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands), Hong Kong and Macao, the model number
to look for on the back of your phone is A1660. In Japan, it's A1779. In
China, it's A1660 and A1780. 

The iPhone 7 glitch comes on the heels of Apple's controversial handling of
battery issues with older iPhones. Without informing users, the company had
tuned its iOS software to slow down the performance of the phones in order
to prevent sudden shutdowns. It has since apologized for that secretive
behavior, updated iOS to give users the option to allow the slowdown or not,
and offered owners of its older phones, including the iPhone 7, low-cost
battery replacements.

If you think you're the unlucky owner of a prank-playing iPhone 7, you can
check out Apple's page to see how to go about making your device behave.
Oddly, we're having trouble making a link to the page behave, so we
recommend copying and pasting this URL into your browser:
https://www.apple.com/support/iphone-7-no-service/

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RE: How to download pictures off the iphone to pc?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Max,

The process of copying photos from iOS to Mac OS is somewhat more 
sophisticated, (complicated) (smile), than it is on Windows.  The only reason 
it's so simple on the PC is because Windows users, demanded that it be so.  But 
that story is for another day.

ON the Mac, you can use the photos application or various others to import from 
iOS.  

I don't know if it is possible to simply copy files directly from the device to 
the computer via Finder, as I have never attempted to do so.  Be that as it 
may, the entire process is completely VoiceOver accessible in Mac OS.

Mark

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Agent086b
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 12:42 PM
To: viphone
Subject: Re: How to download pictures off the iphone to pc?

hi,
am I correct in thinking you can’t do this on a Mac? Well I can’t find how to 
do this anyway.
Max.


On 5 Feb 2018, at 7:18 am, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Connect your iPhone to the PC, go to Windows Explorer and find the phone, you 
can copy pictures to the PC just like you would from any USB drive, but you may 
not be able to delete them.
 
 
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How do you download pictures off the iPhone to the pc? Any help on this would 
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RE: Question about family sharing

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You would have to make sure that in-app purchases are part of family sharing, 
often they are not.

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Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 12:48 PM
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Subject: Re: Question about family sharing

Thanks for responding. We do have family sharing enabled and I have my husband 
on it. He blind alive app says family sharing but I can’t seem to figure out 
how to share the exercise that I purchased on it.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 2, 2018, at 10:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
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> Have you already set up Family Sharing in Settings > Your Name Apple Id (the 
> first item at the top?
> That would be your first step, if you double tap on that find Family Sharing 
> and add your husband.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Hey all, I had a question about family sharing. I have the blind alive app 
> and it says that you can share with other family members. How do I accomplish 
> this? Does this mean I can share an exercise that I purchased? I can’t seem 
> to figure out how to share with my husband. If anybody has any tips I’d 
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RE: How to download pictures off the iphone to pc?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It should be easier on a Mac given both are Apple products. Isn’t Finder the 
equivalent of Windows Explorer?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Agent086b
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 12:42 PM
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hi,
am I correct in thinking you can’t do this on a Mac? Well I can’t find how to 
do this anyway.
Max.


On 5 Feb 2018, at 7:18 am, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Connect your iPhone to the PC, go to Windows Explorer and find the phone, you 
can copy pictures to the PC just like you would from any USB drive, but you may 
not be able to delete them.


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Re: Question about family sharing

[Kellie]

Thanks for responding. We do have family sharing enabled and I have my husband 
on it. He blind alive app says family sharing but I can’t seem to figure out 
how to share the exercise that I purchased on it.

Kellie and my lovable Lady J  
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 2, 2018, at 10:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Have you already set up Family Sharing in Settings > Your Name Apple Id (the 
> first item at the top?
> That would be your first step, if you double tap on that find Family Sharing 
> and add your husband.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kellie
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Question about family sharing
> 
> Hey all, I had a question about family sharing. I have the blind alive app 
> and it says that you can share with other family members. How do I accomplish 
> this? Does this mean I can share an exercise that I purchased? I can’t seem 
> to figure out how to share with my husband. If anybody has any tips I’d 
> appreciate it. Thanks so much
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Using an apple keyboard

[Mark Brett]

Hi all, does anybody have an idiots guide as to how to use a Bluetooth keyboard 
with voice-over and where the keys are and what they do a podcast would be 
great if not some manuals


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Re: How to download pictures off the iphone to pc?

[Agent086b]

hi,
am I correct in thinking you can’t do this on a Mac? Well I can’t find how to 
do this anyway.
Max.

> On 5 Feb 2018, at 7:18 am, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Connect your iPhone to the PC, go to Windows Explorer and find the phone, you 
> can copy pictures to the PC just like you would from any USB drive, but you 
> may not be able to delete them.
>  
>  
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> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mr. 
> Ed
> Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 12:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: How to download pictures off the iphone to pc?
>  
> Hi Everyone,
> How do you download pictures off the iPhone to the pc? Any help on this would 
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RE: How to download pictures off the iphone to pc?

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Sieghard,

I finally figured it out. I was not clicking all the files I needed to get to 
the pictures. Thanks for the info.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 2:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How to download pictures off the iphone to pc?

 

Connect your iPhone to the PC, go to Windows Explorer and find the phone, you 
can copy pictures to the PC just like you would from any USB drive, but you may 
not be able to delete them.

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 12:12 PM
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Subject: How to download pictures off the iphone to pc?

 

Hi Everyone,

How do you download pictures off the iPhone to the pc? Any help on this would 
be appreciated.

Mr. Ed

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Re: Personal Organizer App

[Nancy Badger]

I like the app called Things. It is very easy to customize it for what you 
need. It is totally voiceover accessible.

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

> On Jan 25, 2018, at 9:43 AM, Kelby Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> 
> I'm trying to find an app that is basically a personal organizer/task manager 
> that combines reminders and calendar events. Here's what I'm hoping it would 
> have:
> 
> 
> Reminders similar to the iPhones, where you can set up recurring or single 
> reminders, potentially by location, particularly if the reminders will stay 
> on the lock screen unless you mark the complete
> 
> Categorizable to do lists, especially if there are both daily and weekly 
> options
> 
> A calendar available, especially if it can sync with Google calendar somehow.
> 
> 
> I have a lot of different things I need to do; some of which I need to be 
> reminded of, some of which I just need to list and some of which I need to be 
> able to access through a calendar. Is there any app that combines all of 
> these things?
> 
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RE: How to download pictures off the iphone to pc?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Ed,

All things being equal, when you attach your iPHone to your PC, running Windows 
7, 8, or 10, a dialogue box will appear giving you options as to what to do 
with the newly attached device.  

I suggest that you select to simply open the attached drive.  I recommend 
against selecting the Import photos option unless you have a firm grasp of the 
various photo applications on your computer.  

One more thing, in order to drilldown to the iPhone folder in which your files 
are located, the phone will need to be unlocked.  

iTunes is not needed in order to copy photos from your iPhone to your PC.

Good Luck,

Mark




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Hi Everyone,
How do you download pictures off the iPhone to the pc? Any help on this would 
be appreciated.
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RE: How to download pictures off the iphone to pc?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Connect your iPhone to the PC, go to Windows Explorer and find the phone, you 
can copy pictures to the PC just like you would from any USB drive, but you may 
not be able to delete them.


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Hi Everyone,
How do you download pictures off the iPhone to the pc? Any help on this would 
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How to download pictures off the iphone to pc?

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Everyone,

How do you download pictures off the iPhone to the pc? Any help on this
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Re: best braille display in general

[Andy Baracco]

I once owned a Refreshabraille 18 and sold it because I just had such a hard 
time plugging the USB cable into the unit to charge. Even my wife, who is 
sighted couldn't figure it out. When I asked APH about the design of that port, 
I was told that they wanted to make it extra sturdy because don't you know that 
blind people are always dropping things.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Richard McGann 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 9:16 AM
  Subject: Re: best braille display in general


  to all, 





  i enjoy using refreshabrialle 18 and vario ultra 20 which are produced by 
baum. refreshabrailel  18 is great with battery longivity. vari ultra 20 is 
great with keyboard sa to have chords instead of using space bar. gtreat. but 
battery, yes. since it is also notetaker, too. both are good. 





  andrew, for orbit, i was told that orbit doesn't have joystick and doesn't 
have cursor and doesn't have navigator buttons. is that true??? if not true, i 
woudl take orbit as if ithey have navignavigator buttons, cursor, and joystick. 
 please explain to us. thank you!




  sincerely, 


  rich






  On 2/4/2018 11:54 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe wrote:

Hi, thank you for this reply... I for many years, have not spent money 
on products such as Braille Displays or Printers and other high priced devices. 
 Before I pull thetrigger on a nice Braille Display, I need to know that 
what I choose, I will find that the money is well spent.
I am using the Orbit 20 and absolutely love it!!  I read books and played a 
bit with the remote I Os side of it.  My only problem is, I just don’t have any 
idea of the others besides the Vario Ultra 40 of which I had about an hour demo 
with.  $4,000 scared me especially that there was around $400.00 warranty.  Too 
much money for uncertainty.  Again, thank you for your reply.  Andy and Shubert

From: Devin Prater 
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 11:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: best braille display in general

The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the 
Micro USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now 
stopped working. No, I cannot recommend this display.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor


, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by 
World Services for the Blind 


  On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
wrote:

  Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not available 
so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 Dots, and be able to 
save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed that the Focus 40 5th 
generation has been well rated but, what are the cons?  Is the German Display 
the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 Beta testing but, the only other I actually 
had in my hands was the va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert
  Andrew J. LaPointe
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  President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
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RE: best braille display in general

[ndagostino3]

Hi:

 

I tried to get a Verio and I was told that the company  was in chapter 11.

 

Then I got the Polaris.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 11:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: best braille display in general

 

Hi, thank you for this reply... I for many years, have not spent money on 
products such as Braille Displays or Printers and other high priced devices.  
Before I pull thetrigger on a nice Braille Display, I need to know that 
what I choose, I will find that the money is well spent.

I am using the Orbit 20 and absolutely love it!!  I read books and played a bit 
with the remote I Os side of it.  My only problem is, I just don’t have any 
idea of the others besides the Vario Ultra 40 of which I had about an hour demo 
with.  $4,000 scared me especially that there was around $400.00 warranty.  Too 
much money for uncertainty.  Again, thank you for your reply.  Andy and Shubert

 

From: Devin Prater   

Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 11:45 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: Re: best braille display in general

 

The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the Micro 
USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now stopped 
working. No, I cannot recommend this display.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor


, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World 
Services for the Blind 





On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe mailto:alapoint...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not available 
so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 Dots, and be able to 
save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed that the Focus 40 5th 
generation has been well rated but, what are the cons?  Is the German Display 
the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 Beta testing but, the only other I actually 
had in my hands was the va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert

Andrew J. LaPointe
Co-Chairman
Salem Commission on Disabilities
President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
34 Raymond Ave.
Salem, MA. 01970
Home, 978-745-4289 cell, 978-578-0185

 

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Re: BO lagging?

[Nancy Badger]

I see it on my 6+. The other thing that is very annoying is that I will be 
typing on the keyboard, VOL will announce a key, I will tap on it, and the last 
key I typed will come up again. I’m not sure I’m explaining this so it makes 
sense. Say for example I type a B as in boy. Then I go on to type an essay as 
in Adam. VoiceOver will say A and I will double tap it. But another B as in boy 
will show up. Very annoying.
Nancy

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Old Dominion University
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> On Feb 4, 2018, at 12:55 PM, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> I’m sorry it’s got you too - though it is reassuring that I’m not alone. I’ve 
> got a 7 Plus with latest iOS, so perhaps it is specific to some models with 
> specific settings enabled?
> Cheers
> Harry
> 
>> On 4 Feb 2018, at 14:42, Kimberly  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I see this lag constantly on my iPhone 7 running the latest version of 
>> iOS. Very annoying.
>> 
>> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
>> The happy ending still beckons, and it is in the hope of grasping it that we 
>> go on.—Annie Proulx
>> 
>>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 4:17 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anybody else find that in iOS 11 voice-over is lagging way behind what 
>>> is actually visible on the screen? Example: when i wake my phone and, after 
>>> a couple of goes at fingerprint ID, i succeed and the screen has already 
>>> passed the lock screen and the visible focus is on the first folder on my 
>>> home screen, voice-over still announced “Try again”. All when I have tapped 
>>> on a different folder from the first one on the home screen, and the focus 
>>> is clearly visible to me around that chosen folder, voiceover still 
>>> announces the name of the first home screen folder and if I double tap, my 
>>> phone opens that first folder not the one the visible focus is on. 
>>> Puzzling. Is this a known bug?
>>> Regards
>>> Harry iPhone 7 Plus ios 11.2.5
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Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all,


it is annoying. i did show up at apple store and the guy checked and 
he tried to turn it off. he ran to show technican and technician tried 
to turn off. they saw that it keeps coming bakc.



the guy at apple store suggests for all of you to let accessibility 
team andengineering know that it is annoying.



two guys at apple store were shocked at someone for accessibility team 
said it is importnat to leave it on and leave it alone. two felt that 
someone is acting weird.



we need you to voice out to tell apple headquarter to turn off this.


sincerely,

rich



On 2/3/2018 10:24 PM, Robin Frost wrote:

H,
I did that and it worked for a while but now sadly hath come back and 
I know not why (sad face).

Robin (who’s about to do this yet again)
*From:* Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Saturday, February 3, 2018 2:45 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: turning off do not disturb while driving

Just set it to automatic and back to manual and you never get the 
notifications again.


If that doesn’t work, set it to automatic, then close all apps and 
reboot your phone, now set it to manual and do another reboot. I 
don’t think it[‘s necessary, though, just setting it to automatic and 
back to manual should do it.


*From:*'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 02, 2018 11:48 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

I totally agree here. Nonsense to have it on and just check each 
time, in case there's anything to know about ...


Carol P

On 9/26/2017 8:45 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

You actually can’t turn it off, the setting is “manual” or
“automatic”, but while mine is set to manual I also get the
notifications.

This is one example where Apple should simply disable this if
Voiceover is running, I don’t know too many sighted people who
use Voiceover and neither do I know too many blind folks who sit
behind the wheel.

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Suzanne Wilson
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:49 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Cc:* Kathy Brack mailto:kathymbr...@gmail.com
*Subject:* Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

If you turn off Bluetooth, you will not get this reminder. That’s
the only way I have found to make it stop.
Suzanne

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Kelby Carlson
 wrote:

Same here. I get notified of it every time I'm on metrorail
even though I've turned it off in settings.

On 9/26/2017 1:41 PM, Kathy Brack wrote:

I have it turned off and I still get thr the message even
on the boat.

Kathy Brack

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keao Wright
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 1:23 PM
*To:* VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: turning off do not disturb while driving



On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 7:21:46 AM UTC-10, Keao
Wright wrote:

Thanks, I didn't know it was in the set up screen,
could I reset and try it again? I only see three
options with Bluetooth, manually, and no off option
in the heading when I looked last night.

On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 7:04:45 AM UTC-10,
Joney wrote:

Go to settings, do not disturb, and it is under
the heading do not disturb while driving. You can
have it on or off. It also asked you when you
first set up the phone, for those who haven’t
done so yet. I keep it off, since I don’t drive. :-)

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 wrote:

Hi all,

Is their a way to turn off do not disturb
while driving in IOS 11?

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Re: BO lagging?

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I’m sorry it’s got you too - though it is reassuring that I’m not alone. I’ve 
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Cheers
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>> Does anybody else find that in iOS 11 voice-over is lagging way behind what 
>> is actually visible on the screen? Example: when i wake my phone and, after 
>> a couple of goes at fingerprint ID, i succeed and the screen has already 
>> passed the lock screen and the visible focus is on the first folder on my 
>> home screen, voice-over still announced “Try again”. All when I have tapped 
>> on a different folder from the first one on the home screen, and the focus 
>> is clearly visible to me around that chosen folder, voiceover still 
>> announces the name of the first home screen folder and if I double tap, my 
>> phone opens that first folder not the one the visible focus is on. Puzzling. 
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Re: best braille display in general

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

I does have 8 Dots which will let you know your place for corrections and 
does have commands to change from contracted to ueb and get to other areas of 
Web Mail ect.  I wish I could give you more true info but, I am still learning 
this thing.  Andy and Shubert

From: Paul Richard McGann 
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 12:16 PM
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Subject: Re: best braille display in general

to all, 




i enjoy using refreshabrialle 18 and vario ultra 20 which are produced by baum. 
refreshabrailel  18 is great with battery longivity. vari ultra 20 is great 
with keyboard sa to have chords instead of using space bar. gtreat. but 
battery, yes. since it is also notetaker, too. both are good. 




andrew, for orbit, i was told that orbit doesn't have joystick and doesn't have 
cursor and doesn't have navigator buttons. is that true??? if not true, i woudl 
take orbit as if ithey have navignavigator buttons, cursor, and joystick.  
please explain to us. thank you!



sincerely, 


rich





On 2/4/2018 11:54 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe wrote:

  Hi, thank you for this reply... I for many years, have not spent money on 
products such as Braille Displays or Printers and other high priced devices.  
Before I pull thetrigger on a nice Braille Display, I need to know that 
what I choose, I will find that the money is well spent.
  I am using the Orbit 20 and absolutely love it!!  I read books and played a 
bit with the remote I Os side of it.  My only problem is, I just don’t have any 
idea of the others besides the Vario Ultra 40 of which I had about an hour demo 
with.  $4,000 scared me especially that there was around $400.00 warranty.  Too 
much money for uncertainty.  Again, thank you for your reply.  Andy and Shubert

  From: Devin Prater 
  Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 11:45 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: best braille display in general

  The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the Micro 
USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now stopped 
working. No, I cannot recommend this display.

  Devin Prater
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Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not available 
so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 Dots, and be able to 
save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed that the Focus 40 5th 
generation has been well rated but, what are the cons?  Is the German Display 
the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 Beta testing but, the only other I actually 
had in my hands was the va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert
Andrew J. LaPointe
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Salem Commission on Disabilities
President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
34 Raymond Ave.
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Re: best braille display in general

[Maria Reyes]

I actually have the Brailliant BI by Humanware. It has 32 cells and I think you 
can use 8 dot braille.

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> On Feb 4, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the Micro 
> USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now stopped 
> working. No, I cannot recommend this display.
> Devin Prater
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> 
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> World Services for the Blind
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>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not available 
>> so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 Dots, and be able 
>> to save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed that the Focus 40 5th 
>> generation has been well rated but, what are the cons?  Is the German 
>> Display the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 Beta testing but, the only other 
>> I actually had in my hands was the va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert
>> Andrew J. LaPointe
>> Co-Chairman
>> Salem Commission on Disabilities
>> President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
>> 34 Raymond Ave.
>> Salem, MA. 01970
>> Home, 978-745-4289 cell, 978-578-0185
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Re: best braille display in general

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all,


i am fan  of focus 40 blue original. i know about focus 14, but i wish 
to have 20. you can voice out to vfo groups and encourage them to try to 
produce 20 as to make reading faster. wink!



i did share feedback with vfo groups colleagues, and they want to hear 
for you if yo want 20 instead of 14, let them know.



sincerely,

rich



On 2/4/2018 12:13 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
Oh I’d be fine with the 20 cells. I don’t like large braille displays. 
I’d love the Focus 14 the most.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, andPowerpoint instructor certified 
by World Services for the Blind


On Feb 4, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe 
mailto:alapoint...@comcast.net>> wrote:


*The only thing at this point I wish the Orbit 20 had is 40 cells... 
After awhile, hitting the panning switch gets tiring. *

*From:* llump...@austin.rr.com 
*Sent:* Sunday, February 04, 2018 12:05 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* RE: best braille display in general
From the demos I’ve heard, its refresh rate was very slow and made a 
left-to-right thrashing sound when it refreshed. From the techtalk 
podcast of the Braille Me, I think its refresh rate is much faster 
and much quieter.
*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Devin Prater

*Sent:* Sunday, February 4, 2018 11:02 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: best braille display in general
I wish I could get my hands on an orbit for a while, to see if it’s 
durable enough to use for years. I know, at $400, even if it isn’t 
durable, it’s cheap enough to replace every few years.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified 
by World Services for the Blind



On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe 
mailto:alapoint...@comcast.net>> wrote:
*Hi, thank you for this reply... I for many years, have not spent 
money on products such as Braille Displays or Printers and other 
high priced devices.  Before I pull the    trigger on a nice Braille 
Display, I need to know that what I choose, I will find that the 
money is well spent.*
*I am using the Orbit 20 and absolutely love it!!  I read books and 
played a bit with the remote I Os side of it.  My only problem is, I 
just don’t have any idea of the others besides the Vario Ultra 40 of 
which I had about an hour demo with. $4,000 scared me especially 
that there was around $400.00 warranty.  Too much money for 
uncertainty.  Again, thank you for your reply.  Andy and Shubert*


*From:*Devin Prater 

*Sent:*Sunday, February 04, 2018 11:45 AM

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com 

*Subject:*Re: best braille display in general

The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, 
the Micro USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots 
have now stopped working. No, I cannot recommend this display.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor 
certified by World Services for the Blind



On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe 
mailto:alapoint...@comcast.net>> wrote:
*Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not 
available so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 
Dots, and be able to save on a SD card what would I want?  I 
noticed that the Focus 40 5th generation has been well rated but, 
what are the cons?  Is the German Display the best?  I am using the 
Orbit 20 Beta testing but, the only other I actually had in my 
hands was the va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert*

*Andrew J. LaPointe**
*Co-Chairman*
*Salem Commission on Disabilities*
*President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging*
*34 Raymond Ave.*
*Salem, MA. 01970*
*Home, 978-745-4289 cell, 978-578-0185**
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Re: best braille display in general

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all,


i enjoy using refreshabrialle 18 and vario ultra 20 which are produced 
by baum. refreshabrailel  18 is great with battery longivity. vari ultra 
20 is great with keyboard sa to have chords instead of using space bar. 
gtreat. but battery, yes. since it is also notetaker, too. both are good.



andrew, for orbit, i was told that orbit doesn't have joystick and 
doesn't have cursor and doesn't have navigator buttons. is that true??? 
if not true, i woudl take orbit as if ithey have navignavigator buttons, 
cursor, and joystick.  please explain to us. thank you!



sincerely,

rich



On 2/4/2018 11:54 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe wrote:
*Hi, thank you for this reply... I for many years, have not spent 
money on products such as Braille Displays or Printers and other high 
priced devices. Before I pull the    trigger on a nice Braille 
Display, I need to know that what I choose, I will find that the money 
is well spent.*
*I am using the Orbit 20 and absolutely love it!! I read books and 
played a bit with the remote I Os side of it.  My only problem is, I 
just don’t have any idea of the others besides the Vario Ultra 40 of 
which I had about an hour demo with.  $4,000 scared me especially that 
there was around $400.00 warranty.  Too much money for uncertainty.  
Again, thank you for your reply.  Andy and Shubert*

**
*From:* Devin Prater 
*Sent:* Sunday, February 04, 2018 11:45 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: best braille display in general
**
The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the 
Micro USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have 
now stopped working. No, I cannot recommend this display.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, andPowerpoint instructor certified 
by WorldServices for the Blind


On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe 
mailto:alapoint...@comcast.net>> wrote:
*Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not 
available so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 
Dots, and be able to save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed 
that the Focus 40 5th generation has been well rated but, what are 
the cons?  Is the German Display the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 
Beta testing but, the only other I actually had in my hands was the 
va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert*

*Andrew J. LaPointe
Co-Chairman
Salem Commission on Disabilities
President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
34 Raymond Ave.
Salem, MA. 01970
Home, 978-745-4289 cell, 978-578-0185*
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Re: best braille display in general

[Devin Prater]

Oh I’d be fine with the 20 cells. I don’t like large braille displays. I’d love 
the Focus 14 the most.
Devin Prater
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Services for the Blind

> On Feb 4, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
> wrote:
> 
> The only thing at this point I wish the Orbit 20 had is 40 cells...  
> After awhile, hitting the panning switch gets tiring.   
>  
> From: llump...@austin.rr.com 
> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 12:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: best braille display in general
>  
> From the demos I’ve heard, its refresh rate was very slow and made a 
> left-to-right thrashing sound when it refreshed. From the techtalk podcast of 
> the Braille Me, I think its refresh rate is much faster and much quieter.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Devin Prater
> Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 11:02 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: best braille display in general
>  
> I wish I could get my hands on an orbit for a while, to see if it’s durable 
> enough to use for years. I know, at $400, even if it isn’t durable, it’s 
> cheap enough to replace every few years.
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor
> 
> , Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by 
> World Services for the Blind
> 
> 
>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi, thank you for this reply... I for many years, have not spent money 
>> on products such as Braille Displays or Printers and other high priced 
>> devices.  Before I pull thetrigger on a nice Braille Display, I need to 
>> know that what I choose, I will find that the money is well spent.
>> I am using the Orbit 20 and absolutely love it!!  I read books and played a 
>> bit with the remote I Os side of it.  My only problem is, I just don’t have 
>> any idea of the others besides the Vario Ultra 40 of which I had about an 
>> hour demo with.  $4,000 scared me especially that there was around $400.00 
>> warranty.  Too much money for uncertainty.  Again, thank you for your reply. 
>>  Andy and Shubert
>>  
>> From: Devin Prater 
>> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 11:45 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: best braille display in general
>>  
>> The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the Micro 
>> USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now stopped 
>> working. No, I cannot recommend this display.
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>> 
>> , Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by 
>> World Services for the Blind
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not available 
>>> so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 Dots, and be able 
>>> to save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed that the Focus 40 5th 
>>> generation has been well rated but, what are the cons?  Is the German 
>>> Display the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 Beta testing but, the only other 
>>> I actually had in my hands was the va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert
>>> Andrew J. LaPointe
>>> Co-Chairman
>>> Salem Commission on Disabilities
>>> President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
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Re: best braille display in general

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

The only thing at this point I wish the Orbit 20 had is 40 cells...  After 
awhile, hitting the panning switch gets tiring.

From: llump...@austin.rr.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 12:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: best braille display in general

>From the demos I’ve heard, its refresh rate was very slow and made a 
>left-to-right thrashing sound when it refreshed. From the techtalk podcast of 
>the Braille Me, I think its refresh rate is much faster and much quieter.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Devin Prater
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 11:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: best braille display in general

 

I wish I could get my hands on an orbit for a while, to see if it’s durable 
enough to use for years. I know, at $400, even if it isn’t durable, it’s cheap 
enough to replace every few years.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor


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Services for the Blind 





  On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
wrote:

   

  Hi, thank you for this reply... I for many years, have not spent money on 
products such as Braille Displays or Printers and other high priced devices.  
Before I pull thetrigger on a nice Braille Display, I need to know that 
what I choose, I will find that the money is well spent.

  I am using the Orbit 20 and absolutely love it!!  I read books and played a 
bit with the remote I Os side of it.  My only problem is, I just don’t have any 
idea of the others besides the Vario Ultra 40 of which I had about an hour demo 
with.  $4,000 scared me especially that there was around $400.00 warranty.  Too 
much money for uncertainty.  Again, thank you for your reply.  Andy and Shubert

   

  From: Devin Prater 

  Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 11:45 AM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Re: best braille display in general

   

  The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the Micro 
USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now stopped 
working. No, I cannot recommend this display.

  Devin Prater
  Assistive Technology Instructor

  
  , Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by 
World Services for the Blind 





On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
wrote:

 

Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not available 
so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 Dots, and be able to 
save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed that the Focus 40 5th 
generation has been well rated but, what are the cons?  Is the German Display 
the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 Beta testing but, the only other I actually 
had in my hands was the va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert

Andrew J. LaPointe
Co-Chairman
Salem Commission on Disabilities
President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
34 Raymond Ave.
Salem, MA. 01970
Home, 978-745-4289 cell, 978-578-0185

 

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Re: best braille display in general

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

It does make some sound refreshing but, not unbearable...again, I don’t 
have much to compare it.  When I had the demo of the vario Ultra, if I remember 
correctly, I don’t seem to recall any noise at allAndy and Shubert

From: llump...@austin.rr.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 12:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: best braille display in general

>From the demos I’ve heard, its refresh rate was very slow and made a 
>left-to-right thrashing sound when it refreshed. From the techtalk podcast of 
>the Braille Me, I think its refresh rate is much faster and much quieter.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Devin Prater
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 11:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: best braille display in general

 

I wish I could get my hands on an orbit for a while, to see if it’s durable 
enough to use for years. I know, at $400, even if it isn’t durable, it’s cheap 
enough to replace every few years.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor


, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World 
Services for the Blind 





  On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
wrote:

   

  Hi, thank you for this reply... I for many years, have not spent money on 
products such as Braille Displays or Printers and other high priced devices.  
Before I pull thetrigger on a nice Braille Display, I need to know that 
what I choose, I will find that the money is well spent.

  I am using the Orbit 20 and absolutely love it!!  I read books and played a 
bit with the remote I Os side of it.  My only problem is, I just don’t have any 
idea of the others besides the Vario Ultra 40 of which I had about an hour demo 
with.  $4,000 scared me especially that there was around $400.00 warranty.  Too 
much money for uncertainty.  Again, thank you for your reply.  Andy and Shubert

   

  From: Devin Prater 

  Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 11:45 AM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Re: best braille display in general

   

  The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the Micro 
USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now stopped 
working. No, I cannot recommend this display.

  Devin Prater
  Assistive Technology Instructor

  
  , Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by 
World Services for the Blind 





On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
wrote:

 

Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not available 
so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 Dots, and be able to 
save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed that the Focus 40 5th 
generation has been well rated but, what are the cons?  Is the German Display 
the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 Beta testing but, the only other I actually 
had in my hands was the va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert

Andrew J. LaPointe
Co-Chairman
Salem Commission on Disabilities
President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
34 Raymond Ave.
Salem, MA. 01970
Home, 978-745-4289 cell, 978-578-0185

 

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Re: best braille display in general

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

I don’t know how durable it is but, I will let you know how I make out 
here.  There is a lot of plastic and I treat it with kid gloves and go way out 
of my way not to drop it.  Andy and Shubert

From: Devin Prater 
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 12:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: best braille display in general

I wish I could get my hands on an orbit for a while, to see if it’s durable 
enough to use for years. I know, at $400, even if it isn’t durable, it’s cheap 
enough to replace every few years.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor


, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World 
Services for the Blind 


  On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
wrote:

  Hi, thank you for this reply... I for many years, have not spent money on 
products such as Braille Displays or Printers and other high priced devices.  
Before I pull thetrigger on a nice Braille Display, I need to know that 
what I choose, I will find that the money is well spent.
  I am using the Orbit 20 and absolutely love it!!  I read books and played a 
bit with the remote I Os side of it.  My only problem is, I just don’t have any 
idea of the others besides the Vario Ultra 40 of which I had about an hour demo 
with.  $4,000 scared me especially that there was around $400.00 warranty.  Too 
much money for uncertainty.  Again, thank you for your reply.  Andy and Shubert

  From: Devin Prater 
  Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 11:45 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: best braille display in general

  The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the Micro 
USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now stopped 
working. No, I cannot recommend this display.

  Devin Prater
  Assistive Technology Instructor

  
  , Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by 
World Services for the Blind 


On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
wrote:

Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not available 
so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 Dots, and be able to 
save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed that the Focus 40 5th 
generation has been well rated but, what are the cons?  Is the German Display 
the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 Beta testing but, the only other I actually 
had in my hands was the va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert
Andrew J. LaPointe
Co-Chairman
Salem Commission on Disabilities
President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
34 Raymond Ave.
Salem, MA. 01970
Home, 978-745-4289 cell, 978-578-0185

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RE: best braille display in general

[llumpkin]

>From the demos I’ve heard, its refresh rate was very slow and made a 
>left-to-right thrashing sound when it refreshed. From the techtalk podcast of 
>the Braille Me, I think its refresh rate is much faster and much quieter.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Devin Prater
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 11:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: best braille display in general

 

I wish I could get my hands on an orbit for a while, to see if it’s durable 
enough to use for years. I know, at $400, even if it isn’t durable, it’s cheap 
enough to replace every few years.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor


, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World 
Services for the Blind 





On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe mailto:alapoint...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

Hi, thank you for this reply... I for many years, have not spent money on 
products such as Braille Displays or Printers and other high priced devices.  
Before I pull thetrigger on a nice Braille Display, I need to know that 
what I choose, I will find that the money is well spent.

I am using the Orbit 20 and absolutely love it!!  I read books and played a bit 
with the remote I Os side of it.  My only problem is, I just don’t have any 
idea of the others besides the Vario Ultra 40 of which I had about an hour demo 
with.  $4,000 scared me especially that there was around $400.00 warranty.  Too 
much money for uncertainty.  Again, thank you for your reply.  Andy and Shubert

 

From: Devin Prater   

Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 11:45 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Subject: Re: best braille display in general

 

The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the Micro 
USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now stopped 
working. No, I cannot recommend this display.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor


, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World 
Services for the Blind 





On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe mailto:alapoint...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not available 
so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 Dots, and be able to 
save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed that the Focus 40 5th 
generation has been well rated but, what are the cons?  Is the German Display 
the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 Beta testing but, the only other I actually 
had in my hands was the va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert

Andrew J. LaPointe
Co-Chairman
Salem Commission on Disabilities
President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
34 Raymond Ave.
Salem, MA. 01970
Home, 978-745-4289 cell, 978-578-0185

 

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Re: best braille display in general

[Devin Prater]

I wish I could get my hands on an orbit for a while, to see if it’s durable 
enough to use for years. I know, at $400, even if it isn’t durable, it’s cheap 
enough to replace every few years.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World 
Services for the Blind

> On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:54 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, thank you for this reply... I for many years, have not spent money on 
> products such as Braille Displays or Printers and other high priced devices.  
> Before I pull thetrigger on a nice Braille Display, I need to know that 
> what I choose, I will find that the money is well spent.
> I am using the Orbit 20 and absolutely love it!!  I read books and played a 
> bit with the remote I Os side of it.  My only problem is, I just don’t have 
> any idea of the others besides the Vario Ultra 40 of which I had about an 
> hour demo with.  $4,000 scared me especially that there was around $400.00 
> warranty.  Too much money for uncertainty.  Again, thank you for your reply.  
> Andy and Shubert
>  
> From: Devin Prater 
> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 11:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: best braille display in general
>  
> The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the Micro 
> USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now stopped 
> working. No, I cannot recommend this display.
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor
> 
> , Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by 
> World Services for the Blind
> 
>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not available 
>> so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 Dots, and be able 
>> to save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed that the Focus 40 5th 
>> generation has been well rated but, what are the cons?  Is the German 
>> Display the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 Beta testing but, the only other 
>> I actually had in my hands was the va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert
>> Andrew J. LaPointe
>> Co-Chairman
>> Salem Commission on Disabilities
>> President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
>> 34 Raymond Ave.
>> Salem, MA. 01970
>> Home, 978-745-4289 cell, 978-578-0185
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Re: best braille display in general

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

Hi, thank you for this reply... I for many years, have not spent money on 
products such as Braille Displays or Printers and other high priced devices.  
Before I pull thetrigger on a nice Braille Display, I need to know that 
what I choose, I will find that the money is well spent.
I am using the Orbit 20 and absolutely love it!!  I read books and played a bit 
with the remote I Os side of it.  My only problem is, I just don’t have any 
idea of the others besides the Vario Ultra 40 of which I had about an hour demo 
with.  $4,000 scared me especially that there was around $400.00 warranty.  Too 
much money for uncertainty.  Again, thank you for your reply.  Andy and Shubert

From: Devin Prater 
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2018 11:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: best braille display in general

The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the Micro 
USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now stopped 
working. No, I cannot recommend this display.

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor


, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World 
Services for the Blind 


  On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
wrote:

  Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not available 
so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 Dots, and be able to 
save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed that the Focus 40 5th 
generation has been well rated but, what are the cons?  Is the German Display 
the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 Beta testing but, the only other I actually 
had in my hands was the va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert
  Andrew J. LaPointe
  Co-Chairman
  Salem Commission on Disabilities
  President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
  34 Raymond Ave.
  Salem, MA. 01970
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Re: best braille display in general

[Patti Johnson]

Wow, That makes me wonder how truly durable any of them are.  I've had
two Hims displays that afte only a couple years end up with problems,
my u2 now has dots that are not coming up well, makes reading
sometimes difficoult.
I am not paying to have it ifxed.
I can honestly think that my Braille Lite was the only display I ever
had that lasted a really long time without problems.  Even my Pacmate
after a year or two started freezing up on me and t hat kind of thing.
I am using a pacmate display now, and so far it's fine, but  the whole
pacmate itself had a lot of problems, for me.

Patti

On 2/4/18, Devin Prater  wrote:
> The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the Micro
> USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now stopped
> working. No, I cannot recommend this display.
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor
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>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not available
>> so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 Dots, and be
>> able to save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed that the Focus 40
>> 5th generation has been well rated but, what are the cons?  Is the German
>> Display the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 Beta testing but, the only
>> other I actually had in my hands was the va?? forget the name.  Andy and
>> Shubert
>> Andrew J. LaPointe
>> Co-Chairman
>> Salem Commission on Disabilities
>> President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
>> 34 Raymond Ave.
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Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all,


i hhad been braillist ats chool for blind for the  rest of 13 years. i 
got along with six-dot and eight-d


ot. when i do duxbury, it is always six-dot after converting print 
documents into braille. i get them embossed into braille materials and 
pass the books and others to kids.



on iphone, if you use iphone, you get braille display, then hit space 
bar plus dot 2,3,6 as you would notice option fro eight-dot to 
six-dot. you can enjoy reading books and texts on six-dot option. no 
problems.



janet, like deaf read captions on tv, i did read captions. sometimes i 
noticed some typo errors. i had to get used to this as i did follow 
the captions so well. now i am totally deafblind, i can't see captions 
anymore. i do get notes form friends who say sometimes they can't read 
cpations due to tech changes. same idea siri can say words but people 
are careless not to edit. once i got email from the city's ada 
coordinator who is sighted and hearing. i read his email and i 
reminded him that he was using siri. he was shocked as everyone who 
are my city-county task force on disabilities laughtedas he asked me 
how i know. is said because he didn't edit it as when he said about 
his frustration with his co-workers. he said, "bare with me..." and i 
remind him to look at the word and he got bylushed. i am sure everyone 
laughing as he was tryign to say "bear with me..." that is all.



sincerely,

rich



On 2/4/2018 1:21 AM, Richard Turner wrote:


The extra two dots allow you to have a cursor so you actually know 
where you are editing.
The cursor is dots 7 and 8. And, by the way, I grew up with six dots 
as well.
Also if someone wanted to read in computer braille, you have to have 
the extra dots. But as someone pointed out, that is not the target 
audience for the BrailleMe device.

I'm just glad there are finally braille displays that are affordable.
The more the merrier.
Richard



“The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world 
quieter.”


- Mitch Albomfrom The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1


On Feb 3, 2018, at 9:01 PM, Janet Bell > wrote:


Hi Richard I grew up with six-dot braille so prefer it I have never 
really understoodd why we need two more dots as we can use signs   Janet


-Original Message- From: Andy Baracco
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:32 PM
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Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

If you go to 
https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.accessibleworld.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf0e50b9b4fd847999e0d08d56b8c4ddb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636533172710116240&sdata=nId2KTBLjwbvjdTUe5tJ62isKZBI9keVSMpyVVUdn1o%3D&reserved=0 
you can download a recent podcast on

this device.

Andy

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mailto:ja...@jan25.plus.com>>

To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth


what is the braille me p.lease.

-Original Message- From: llump...@austin.rr.com 


Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 4:56 PM
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Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

We're waiting for the Braille Me. We heard the president of the 
company on
techtalk last Monday and we were very impressed. I highly recommend 
giving

it a listen and giving the product a look.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 9:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

What it comes down to is personal preference.
I'm waiting to get my hands on the Orbit Reader 20 to see how it 
compares to

other displays.
I've used:
HIMS Braille Edge 40,
Baum's Vario Ultra 20 and 40,
Humanware's Braillliant BI,
Freedom Scientific's Focus 40 and 14; not to mention several of the full
braille note takers.

Of the above list, the HIMS BrailleEdge 40 was my favorite.  But, 
when it
died after 3 years and was going to cost close to $2,500 to repair 
when a
new one was just a little more, I decided to wait to see the Orbit 
20, which

I have not seen yet.

I liked the Braille Edge because it is quiet, solidly built, easy to 
switch
from USB to Bluetooth, has basic note taking functionality using an 
SD card

and comes with a 2 year warrantee.

It is too bad there are not places where you can go and test all the
displays to see which one fits your needs the best, because there is 
no one

display that is right for everyone.

HTH,
Richard



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Re: best braille display in general

[Devin Prater]

Well, I’m glad you’ve had better luck with it than I have.
Devin Prater
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Services for the Blind

> On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:47 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> and I can’t recommend it highly enough. It is by far the best display I have 
> *ever* used with the best customer service.
> 
> On Feb 4, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Devin Prater  > wrote:
> 
> The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the Micro 
> USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now stopped 
> working. No, I cannot recommend this display.
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Re: best braille display in general

[alia robinson]

and I can’t recommend it highly enough. It is by far the best display I have 
*ever* used with the best customer service.

On Feb 4, 2018, at 11:45 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the Micro 
USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now stopped 
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Re: best braille display in general

[Devin Prater]

The Vario Ultra is the braille display I have. After a few months, the Micro 
USB port broke. After being repaired well enough, two dots have now stopped 
working. No, I cannot recommend this display.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint instructor certified by World 
Services for the Blind

> On Feb 4, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not available 
> so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 Dots, and be able 
> to save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed that the Focus 40 5th 
> generation has been well rated but, what are the cons?  Is the German Display 
> the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 Beta testing but, the only other I 
> actually had in my hands was the va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert
> Andrew J. LaPointe
> Co-Chairman
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> President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
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best braille display in general

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

Hi, I know that the braille display from Germany is still not available 
so.If I want to take notes, read books in BRF, have 8 Dots, and be able to 
save on a SD card what would I want?  I noticed that the Focus 40 5th 
generation has been well rated but, what are the cons?  Is the German Display 
the best?  I am using the Orbit 20 Beta testing but, the only other I actually 
had in my hands was the va?? forget the name.  Andy and Shubert
Andrew J. LaPointe
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Salem Commission on Disabilities
President, The Friends of the Salem Council on Aging
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Re: Getting ringtones

[Cathy Inglis]

Hello, I am interested in your Ringtones. Could you zip them for me, and put 
them on since space. I would love to have them. Thank you so much, I know you 
were offering them to someone else, but if you would give them to me, I would 
appreciate that as well.

Cathy and Tiny.

> On Feb 4, 2018, at 8:30 AM, Doc wright  wrote:
> 
> I have a number of tones that I have gathered or created myself. what type 
> do you like? Or I could zip a folder of what I have.
> Yes, you would need itunes to install them. after unzipping the folder  you 
> can copy the folder and paste it into the itunes window.then connect your 
> phone, press f6 until you hear 'search' then tab to 'iphone' and press 
> space.
> Now tab to 'summary treeview'.
> type t o for tones
> tab and check the box for adding tones
> note: you will get a warning choose yes.
> tab to apply or sync
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Terri Stimmel" 
> To: 
> Sent: February 2, 2018 01:10 PM
> Subject: Getting ringtones
> 
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> I was wondering, where is a good place to get ringtones from, that will
> work on the iPhone?
> 
> Free would be nice, but finding reasonably priced ones would also work.
> 
> 
> Once I find ringtones, how do I go about getting them on to my phone?
> 
> I take it that I would have to use iTunes for this?
> 
> 
> Any help would be awesome!
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
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RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

[llumpkin]

APH delayed and put off the release so long that we're suspicious of buying one 
of them.


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Did anyone happen to see the following on Blind Bargains?

Breaking: APH Announces Orders For the Orbit Reader 20 Will Start February 2

Scott Davert Feb 01, 2018 11:04 PM ET

APH has announced via it's mailing list for the Orbit Reader 20 that they will 
start taking orders tomorrow for the much anticipated braille display/notetaker.

In the message, Ken Perry of APH stated: "Once we have received orders for our 
available stock, no further orders will be accepted at that time. We expect to 
sell out quickly. Rest assured we will have additional quantities available in 
the near future, and will keep you posted!" Because of the limited availability 
of units, APH is restricting purchases to two Orbit Readers per account or 
individual.

The cost for an Orbit Reader 20 is $449 and you will be able to order in 
several ways:
•through the APH Shop online for non-quota orders only •calling customer 
relations at 800-223-1839 •emailing a purchase order at p...@aph.org •faxing a 
purchase order to 502-899-2284

At the time of writing, the Orbit Reader is not yet available online, but is 
expected to be available tomorrow.

This day has been a long time coming, with the first official announcement of 
the Orbit Reader 20 during the CSUN 2016 conference. For more information about 
the Orbit Reader 20, you can [read a review of the device in the January issue 
of Access World.

Tangela Mahaffey contributed to this report.

-Original Message-
From: llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

The Braille Me has two methods of showing the cursor. I would have preferred
8 dots myself but I get their reasoning for doing 6. If you just want to read 
braille like books, 6 dots is fine and $450 is a heck of a lot better than 
three thousand or so. My wife just wants a simple note taker to take to 
doctors, etc. and I just want to read NLS braille books from the library. I 
used an 18-cell Braille lite for years and managed just fine. We can have two 
Braille me devices for less than a thousand.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anouk Radix
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 8:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

Hi, I personally like 8-dot braille for showing where the cursor is and for 
showing capital letters.
Greetings, Anouk,

> On 4 Feb 2018, at 06:01, Janet Bell  wrote:
>
> Hi Richard I grew up with six-dot braille so prefer it I have never really 
> understoodd why we need two more dots as we can use signs   Janet
>
> -Original Message- From: Andy Baracco
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>
> If you go to www.accessibleworld.org you can download a recent podcast 
> on this device.
>
> Andy
>
> - Original Message - From: "Janet Bell" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 10:08 AM
> Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>
>
> what is the braille me p.lease.
>
> -Original Message- From: llump...@austin.rr.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 4:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>
> We're waiting for the Braille Me. We heard the president of the 
> company on techtalk last Monday and we were very impressed. I highly 
> recommend giving it a listen and giving the product a look.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 9:44 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>
> What it comes down to is personal preference.
> I'm waiting to get my hands on the Orbit Reader 20 to see how it 
> compares to other displays.
> I've used:
> HIMS Braille Edge 40,
> Baum's Vario Ultra 20 and 40,
> Humanware's Braillliant BI,
> Freedom Scientific's Focus 40 and 14; not to mention several of the 
> full braille note takers.
>
> Of the above list, the HIMS BrailleEdge 40 was my favorite.  But, when 
> it died after 3 years and was going to cost close to $2,500 to repair 
> when a new one was just a little more, I decided to wait to see the 
> Orbit 20, which I have not seen yet.
>
> I liked the Braille Edge because it is quiet, solidly built, easy to 
> switch from USB to Bluetooth, has basic note taking functionality 
> using an SD card and comes with a 2 year warrantee.
>
> It is too bad there 

Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

[Russ Kiehne]

Did anyone happen to see the following on Blind Bargains?

Breaking: APH Announces Orders For the Orbit Reader 20 Will Start February 2

Scott Davert Feb 01, 2018 11:04 PM ET

APH has announced via it's mailing list for the Orbit Reader 20 that they 
will start taking orders tomorrow for the much anticipated braille 
display/notetaker.


In the message, Ken Perry of APH stated: "Once we have received orders for 
our available stock, no further orders will be accepted at that time. We 
expect to sell out quickly. Rest assured we will have additional quantities 
available in the near future, and will keep you posted!" Because of the 
limited availability of units, APH is restricting purchases to two Orbit 
Readers per account or individual.


The cost for an Orbit Reader 20 is $449 and you will be able to order in 
several ways:

•through the APH Shop online for non-quota orders only
•calling customer relations at 800-223-1839
•emailing a purchase order at p...@aph.org
•faxing a purchase order to 502-899-2284

At the time of writing, the Orbit Reader is not yet available online, but is 
expected to be available tomorrow.


This day has been a long time coming, with the first official announcement 
of the Orbit Reader 20 during the CSUN 2016 conference. For more information 
about the Orbit Reader 20, you can [read a review of the device in the 
January issue of Access World.


Tangela Mahaffey contributed to this report.

-Original Message- 
From: llump...@austin.rr.com

Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 6:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

The Braille Me has two methods of showing the cursor. I would have preferred 
8 dots myself but I get their reasoning for doing 6. If you just want to 
read braille like books, 6 dots is fine and $450 is a heck of a lot better 
than three thousand or so. My wife just wants a simple note taker to take to 
doctors, etc. and I just want to read NLS braille books from the library. I 
used an 18-cell Braille lite for years and managed just fine. We can have 
two Braille me devices for less than a thousand.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Anouk Radix

Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 8:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

Hi, I personally like 8-dot braille for showing where the cursor is and for 
showing capital letters.

Greetings, Anouk,


On 4 Feb 2018, at 06:01, Janet Bell  wrote:

Hi Richard I grew up with six-dot braille so prefer it I have never really 
understoodd why we need two more dots as we can use signs   Janet


-Original Message- From: Andy Baracco
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

If you go to www.accessibleworld.org you can download a recent podcast
on this device.

Andy

- Original Message - From: "Janet Bell" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth


what is the braille me p.lease.

-Original Message- From: llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 4:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

We're waiting for the Braille Me. We heard the president of the
company on techtalk last Monday and we were very impressed. I highly
recommend giving it a listen and giving the product a look.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 9:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

What it comes down to is personal preference.
I'm waiting to get my hands on the Orbit Reader 20 to see how it
compares to other displays.
I've used:
HIMS Braille Edge 40,
Baum's Vario Ultra 20 and 40,
Humanware's Braillliant BI,
Freedom Scientific's Focus 40 and 14; not to mention several of the
full braille note takers.

Of the above list, the HIMS BrailleEdge 40 was my favorite.  But, when
it died after 3 years and was going to cost close to $2,500 to repair
when a new one was just a little more, I decided to wait to see the
Orbit 20, which I have not seen yet.

I liked the Braille Edge because it is quiet, solidly built, easy to
switch from USB to Bluetooth, has basic note taking functionality
using an SD card and comes with a 2 year warrantee.

It is too bad there are not places where you can go and test all the
displays to see which one fits your needs the best, because there is
no one display that is right for everyone.

HTH,
Richard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

They now h

Re: BO lagging?

[Kimberly]

Yes, I see this lag constantly on my iPhone 7 running the latest version of 
iOS. Very annoying.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone
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on.—Annie Proulx

> On Feb 4, 2018, at 4:17 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> Does anybody else find that in iOS 11 voice-over is lagging way behind what 
> is actually visible on the screen? Example: when i wake my phone and, after a 
> couple of goes at fingerprint ID, i succeed and the screen has already passed 
> the lock screen and the visible focus is on the first folder on my home 
> screen, voice-over still announced “Try again”. All when I have tapped on a 
> different folder from the first one on the home screen, and the focus is 
> clearly visible to me around that chosen folder, voiceover still announces 
> the name of the first home screen folder and if I double tap, my phone opens 
> that first folder not the one the visible focus is on. Puzzling. Is this a 
> known bug?
> Regards
> Harry iPhone 7 Plus ios 11.2.5
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Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

[Janet Bell]

for capital letters on a six dot machine you use dot six first.

-Original Message- 
From: Anouk Radix

Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 2:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

Hi, I personally like 8-dot braille for showing where the cursor is and for 
showing capital letters.

Greetings, Anouk,


On 4 Feb 2018, at 06:01, Janet Bell  wrote:

Hi Richard I grew up with six-dot braille so prefer it I have never really 
understoodd why we need two more dots as we can use signs   Janet


-Original Message- From: Andy Baracco
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

If you go to www.accessibleworld.org you can download a recent podcast on
this device.

Andy

- Original Message - From: "Janet Bell" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth


what is the braille me p.lease.

-Original Message- From: llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 4:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

We're waiting for the Braille Me. We heard the president of the company on
techtalk last Monday and we were very impressed. I highly recommend giving
it a listen and giving the product a look.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 9:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

What it comes down to is personal preference.
I'm waiting to get my hands on the Orbit Reader 20 to see how it compares 
to

other displays.
I've used:
HIMS Braille Edge 40,
Baum's Vario Ultra 20 and 40,
Humanware's Braillliant BI,
Freedom Scientific's Focus 40 and 14; not to mention several of the full
braille note takers.

Of the above list, the HIMS BrailleEdge 40 was my favorite.  But, when it
died after 3 years and was going to cost close to $2,500 to repair when a
new one was just a little more, I decided to wait to see the Orbit 20, 
which

I have not seen yet.

I liked the Braille Edge because it is quiet, solidly built, easy to 
switch
from USB to Bluetooth, has basic note taking functionality using an SD 
card

and comes with a 2 year warrantee.

It is too bad there are not places where you can go and test all the
displays to see which one fits your needs the best, because there is no 
one

display that is right for everyone.

HTH,
Richard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sarai Bucciarelli
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

They now have a 14 Focus 5th gen as well if you want something smaller.

Sarai D Bucciarelli
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Anouk Radix
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 6:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

So the focus works well with ios 11? I thought it would be a fairly bulky
device what are your experiences for using it on the go? Does it work well
in combination with laptops or is it to deep so that you have to reach too
far back?
I hope the braille cells wont be broken too quickly… Greetings, Anouk,


On 3 Feb 2018, at 11:39, Kliphton Miller  wrote:

I 2nd everything said, plus the fact that it is very quiet, and easy to 
use.



On Feb 3, 2018, at 4:13 AM, Eden  wrote:

I tried the Brailliant for all of one day in early December. Bluetooth 
sucked, and Usb was ok but not great. I sent it back. I now have the 
focus 40 5th gen and absolutely love it. Dot quality is crisper, made 
of more and steel no plastic, sd  slot included for use as a future 
ability to read books and possibly write in stand-alone mode.  It comes 
with a nice case, can connect to five bluetooth devices, and I would 
recommend it.

Eden

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RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

[llumpkin]

No message here.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Eden
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 8:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth



Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 4, 2018, at 5:53 AM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> 
> I agree.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 12:01 AM, Janet Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Richard I grew up with six-dot braille so prefer it I have never really 
>> understoodd why we need two more dots as we can use signs   Janet
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Andy Baracco
>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:32 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>> 
>> If you go to www.accessibleworld.org you can download a recent 
>> podcast on this device.
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Janet Bell" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 10:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>> 
>> 
>> what is the braille me p.lease.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: llump...@austin.rr.com
>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 4:56 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>> 
>> We're waiting for the Braille Me. We heard the president of the 
>> company on techtalk last Monday and we were very impressed. I highly 
>> recommend giving it a listen and giving the product a look.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 9:44 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>> 
>> What it comes down to is personal preference.
>> I'm waiting to get my hands on the Orbit Reader 20 to see how it 
>> compares to other displays.
>> I've used:
>> HIMS Braille Edge 40,
>> Baum's Vario Ultra 20 and 40,
>> Humanware's Braillliant BI,
>> Freedom Scientific's Focus 40 and 14; not to mention several of the 
>> full braille note takers.
>> 
>> Of the above list, the HIMS BrailleEdge 40 was my favorite.  But, 
>> when it died after 3 years and was going to cost close to $2,500 to 
>> repair when a new one was just a little more, I decided to wait to 
>> see the Orbit 20, which I have not seen yet.
>> 
>> I liked the Braille Edge because it is quiet, solidly built, easy to 
>> switch from USB to Bluetooth, has basic note taking functionality 
>> using an SD card and comes with a 2 year warrantee.
>> 
>> It is too bad there are not places where you can go and test all the 
>> displays to see which one fits your needs the best, because there is 
>> no one display that is right for everyone.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:27 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>> 
>> They now have a 14 Focus 5th gen as well if you want something smaller.
>> 
>> Sarai D Bucciarelli
>> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.linkedin.com%
>> 2Fin%2FSaraiDBucciarelli&data=02%7C01%7C%7C9244e8af6dd243a3470808d56b
>> 1a8ee8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C63653268416444644
>> 5&sdata=ICvIVMCds%2BBh%2BDqqvdAGF%2B5bdq1hzvV3fgDUQHEfsgk%3D&reserved
>> =0
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Anouk Radix
>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 6:30 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>> 
>> So the focus works well with ios 11? I thought it would be a fairly 
>> bulky device what are your experiences for using it on the go? Does 
>> it work well in combination with laptops or is it to deep so that you 
>> have to reach too far back?
>> I hope the braille cells wont be broken too quickly… Greetings, 
>> Anouk,
>> 
>>> On 3 Feb 2018, at 11:39, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I 2nd everything said, plus the fact that it is very quiet, and easy to use.
>>> 
> On Feb 3, 2018, at 4:13 AM, Eden  wrote:
> 
> I tried the Brailliant for all of one day in early December. Bluetooth 
> sucked, and Usb was ok but not great. I sent it back. I now have the 
> focus 40 5th gen and absolutely love it. Dot quality is crisper, made of 
> more and steel no plastic, sd  slot included for use as a future ability 
> to read books and possibly write in stand-alone mode.  It comes with a 
> nice case, can connect to five bluetooth devices, and I would recommend 
> it.
 Eden
 
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RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

[llumpkin]

The Braille Me has two methods of showing the cursor. I would have preferred 8 
dots myself but I get their reasoning for doing 6. If you just want to read 
braille like books, 6 dots is fine and $450 is a heck of a lot better than 
three thousand or so. My wife just wants a simple note taker to take to 
doctors, etc. and I just want to read NLS braille books from the library. I 
used an 18-cell Braille lite for years and managed just fine. We can have two 
Braille me devices for less than a thousand.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Anouk Radix
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 8:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

Hi, I personally like 8-dot braille for showing where the cursor is and for 
showing capital letters.
Greetings, Anouk,

> On 4 Feb 2018, at 06:01, Janet Bell  wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard I grew up with six-dot braille so prefer it I have never really 
> understoodd why we need two more dots as we can use signs   Janet
> 
> -Original Message- From: Andy Baracco
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
> 
> If you go to www.accessibleworld.org you can download a recent podcast 
> on this device.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Janet Bell" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 10:08 AM
> Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
> 
> 
> what is the braille me p.lease.
> 
> -Original Message- From: llump...@austin.rr.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 4:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
> 
> We're waiting for the Braille Me. We heard the president of the 
> company on techtalk last Monday and we were very impressed. I highly 
> recommend giving it a listen and giving the product a look.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 9:44 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
> 
> What it comes down to is personal preference.
> I'm waiting to get my hands on the Orbit Reader 20 to see how it 
> compares to other displays.
> I've used:
> HIMS Braille Edge 40,
> Baum's Vario Ultra 20 and 40,
> Humanware's Braillliant BI,
> Freedom Scientific's Focus 40 and 14; not to mention several of the 
> full braille note takers.
> 
> Of the above list, the HIMS BrailleEdge 40 was my favorite.  But, when 
> it died after 3 years and was going to cost close to $2,500 to repair 
> when a new one was just a little more, I decided to wait to see the 
> Orbit 20, which I have not seen yet.
> 
> I liked the Braille Edge because it is quiet, solidly built, easy to 
> switch from USB to Bluetooth, has basic note taking functionality 
> using an SD card and comes with a 2 year warrantee.
> 
> It is too bad there are not places where you can go and test all the 
> displays to see which one fits your needs the best, because there is 
> no one display that is right for everyone.
> 
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sarai Bucciarelli
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:27 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
> 
> They now have a 14 Focus 5th gen as well if you want something smaller.
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli
> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.linkedin.com%2
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Anouk Radix
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 6:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
> 
> So the focus works well with ios 11? I thought it would be a fairly 
> bulky device what are your experiences for using it on the go? Does it 
> work well in combination with laptops or is it to deep so that you 
> have to reach too far back?
> I hope the braille cells wont be broken too quickly… Greetings, Anouk,
> 
>> On 3 Feb 2018, at 11:39, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> I 2nd everything said, plus the fact that it is very quiet, and easy to use.
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 4:13 AM, Eden  wrote:
>>> 
 I tried the Brailliant for all of one day in early December. Bluetooth 
 sucked, and Usb was ok but not great. I sent it back. I now have the focus 
 40 5th gen and absolutely love it. Dot quality is crisper, made of more 
 and steel no plastic, sd  slot included for use as a future ability to 

Re: BO lagging?

[Simon Wong]

I dont get a lag on my 5s. Everything is fine here.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 4, 2018, at 5:40 AM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi not on my iPhone 6s, which in my opinion always ran iOS 11 very well. This 
> may happen on the older devices though, like the iPhone 5s and iPad Mini 2.
> 
>> On 4 Feb 2018, at 09:17, Harry Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> Does anybody else find that in iOS 11 voice-over is lagging way behind what 
>> is actually visible on the screen? Example: when i wake my phone and, after 
>> a couple of goes at fingerprint ID, i succeed and the screen has already 
>> passed the lock screen and the visible focus is on the first folder on my 
>> home screen, voice-over still announced “Try again”. All when I have tapped 
>> on a different folder from the first one on the home screen, and the focus 
>> is clearly visible to me around that chosen folder, voiceover still 
>> announces the name of the first home screen folder and if I double tap, my 
>> phone opens that first folder not the one the visible focus is on. Puzzling. 
>> Is this a known bug?
>> Regards
>> Harry iPhone 7 Plus ios 11.2.5
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RE: Screen Recording

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I have recently updated to the public beta of iOS 11.3, but definitely had this 
issue I think it was January 11 because when I found the screen recording from 
late September I also found one I made on January 11 and that is where I 
noticed it for the first time.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 6:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen Recording

This bug must have just been introduced because I have a screen recording from 
about two weeks ago and it’s fine.  However, I am experiencing the same problem 
as reported, in my latest screen recording.  

Very, very interesting.  

We should all report this.

Sieghard, I received the screen recording you sent, off-list.

It’s getting so that I am becoming afraid of upgrading to even a small release 
for fear of yet another iOS feature being broken.

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 12:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen Recording

This is a bug, when iOS 11 was first released Voiceover came through the 
external speaker and was perfectly audible during playback. I haven’t used 
screenrecording that often so I don’t know in which update this got broken, but 
I noticed it as well a couple of weeks ago. I was going to send a message to 
Apple Accessibility, but forgot. I think as many people as possible should send 
a message, though, because screenrecording worked great for showing a developer 
if something didn’t work in an app or if buttons were unlabelled etc. Now that 
is no longer possible.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Godwin Adoyi
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 8:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Screen Recording

Hi Richard,
I tried the recording with JBL clip Bluetooth speaker, yet the volume of VO in 
the video is very low. 

Godwin Adoyi Agada
Greetings from Ghana, W. Africa.
(Sent from my iPhone)

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Richard 
Turner 
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 3:07:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Screen Recording 
 
Hi,
I just tried it on my iPhone 6S.  The VoiceOver volume returned to normal after 
stopping the recording and then playing it back.
Now, if you mean the VoiceOver volume on the recording, it is very quiet 
because it is in the earpiece during recording.
If you intend to have the screen recording include what VoiceOver is saying, 
then you would probably need an external speaker.
I am not sure if there is a setting to have VoiceOver come over the speaker 
during recording.
 
Richard
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Godwin Adoyi
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 12:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Screen Recording
 
Dear all, 
I have an issue with the screen recording feature in IOS 11. During recording, 
the VO is heard only through the earpiece of the iPhone and after recording, 
during playback, the VO volume is ver low such that one hardly hears it. I'm 
using an iPhone 6s, IOS 11.2.5. What is the remedy?
 
Godwin Adoyi Agada
Greetings from Ghana, W. Africa.
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Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

[Anouk Radix]

Hi, I personally like 8-dot braille for showing where the cursor is and for 
showing capital letters.
Greetings, Anouk,

> On 4 Feb 2018, at 06:01, Janet Bell  wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard I grew up with six-dot braille so prefer it I have never really 
> understoodd why we need two more dots as we can use signs   Janet
> 
> -Original Message- From: Andy Baracco
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
> 
> If you go to www.accessibleworld.org you can download a recent podcast on
> this device.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Janet Bell" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 10:08 AM
> Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
> 
> 
> what is the braille me p.lease.
> 
> -Original Message- From: llump...@austin.rr.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 4:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
> 
> We're waiting for the Braille Me. We heard the president of the company on
> techtalk last Monday and we were very impressed. I highly recommend giving
> it a listen and giving the product a look.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 9:44 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
> 
> What it comes down to is personal preference.
> I'm waiting to get my hands on the Orbit Reader 20 to see how it compares to
> other displays.
> I've used:
> HIMS Braille Edge 40,
> Baum's Vario Ultra 20 and 40,
> Humanware's Braillliant BI,
> Freedom Scientific's Focus 40 and 14; not to mention several of the full
> braille note takers.
> 
> Of the above list, the HIMS BrailleEdge 40 was my favorite.  But, when it
> died after 3 years and was going to cost close to $2,500 to repair when a
> new one was just a little more, I decided to wait to see the Orbit 20, which
> I have not seen yet.
> 
> I liked the Braille Edge because it is quiet, solidly built, easy to switch
> from USB to Bluetooth, has basic note taking functionality using an SD card
> and comes with a 2 year warrantee.
> 
> It is too bad there are not places where you can go and test all the
> displays to see which one fits your needs the best, because there is no one
> display that is right for everyone.
> 
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sarai Bucciarelli
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:27 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
> 
> They now have a 14 Focus 5th gen as well if you want something smaller.
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Anouk Radix
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 6:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
> 
> So the focus works well with ios 11? I thought it would be a fairly bulky
> device what are your experiences for using it on the go? Does it work well
> in combination with laptops or is it to deep so that you have to reach too
> far back?
> I hope the braille cells wont be broken too quickly… Greetings, Anouk,
> 
>> On 3 Feb 2018, at 11:39, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> I 2nd everything said, plus the fact that it is very quiet, and easy to use.
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 4:13 AM, Eden  wrote:
>>> 
 I tried the Brailliant for all of one day in early December. Bluetooth 
 sucked, and Usb was ok but not great. I sent it back. I now have the focus 
 40 5th gen and absolutely love it. Dot quality is crisper, made of more 
 and steel no plastic, sd  slot included for use as a future ability to 
 read books and possibly write in stand-alone mode.  It comes with a nice 
 case, can connect to five bluetooth devices, and I would recommend it.
>>> Eden
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Re: Getting ringtones

[lenron brown]

I would love your folder of ringtones. I pretty much used the same
process of getting ring tones in to ITunes. I copied a folder of a few
tones where I wanted them. Went in iTtunes chose the import folder
option. After that clicked the Iphone button. Then tabbed over to
summary. went down to tones. Then added them by following the rest of
the prompts.

On 2/4/18, Doc wright  wrote:
> I have a number of tones that I have gathered or created myself. what type
> do you like? Or I could zip a folder of what I have.
> Yes, you would need itunes to install them. after unzipping the folder  you
>
> can copy the folder and paste it into the itunes window.then connect your
> phone, press f6 until you hear 'search' then tab to 'iphone' and press
> space.
> Now tab to 'summary treeview'.
> type t o for tones
> tab and check the box for adding tones
>  note: you will get a warning choose yes.
> tab to apply or sync
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Terri Stimmel" 
> To: 
> Sent: February 2, 2018 01:10 PM
> Subject: Getting ringtones
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
>
> I was wondering, where is a good place to get ringtones from, that will
> work on the iPhone?
>
> Free would be nice, but finding reasonably priced ones would also work.
>
>
> Once I find ringtones, how do I go about getting them on to my phone?
>
> I take it that I would have to use iTunes for this?
>
>
> Any help would be awesome!
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Terri
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RE: turning off do not disturb while driving

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I have not noticed this coming back yet.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Merv Keck
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 10:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: turning off do not disturb while driving

I have had the same experience. Last week I missed an important message because 
it came back. I’m thinking that every time I do an IOS update I’m going to have 
to do the Do Not disturb dance. Which seriously disturbs me. Sad face!
Merv


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robin Frost
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 10:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

H,
I did that and it worked for a while but now sadly hath come back and I know 
not why (sad face).
Robin (who’s about to do this yet again)

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 2:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: turning off do not disturb while driving

Just set it to automatic and back to manual and you never get the notifications 
again.
If that doesn’t work, set it to automatic, then close all apps and reboot your 
phone, now set it to manual and do another reboot. I don’t think it[‘s 
necessary, though, just setting it to automatic and back to manual should do it.

From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2018 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

I totally agree here. Nonsense to have it on and just check each time, in case 
there's anything to know about ...

Carol P
On 9/26/2017 8:45 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
You actually can’t turn it off, the setting is “manual” or “automatic”, but 
while mine is set to manual I also get the notifications.
This is one example where Apple should simply disable this if Voiceover is 
running, I don’t know too many sighted people who use Voiceover and neither do 
I know too many blind folks who sit behind the wheel.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Suzanne Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Kathy Brack mailto:kathymbr...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: turning off do not disturb while driving

If you turn off Bluetooth, you will not get this reminder. That’s the only way 
I have found to make it stop.
Suzanne

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 26, 2017, at 1:46 PM, Kelby Carlson 
mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Same here. I get notified of it every time I'm on metrorail even though I've 
turned it off in settings.

On 9/26/2017 1:41 PM, Kathy Brack wrote:
I have it turned off and I still get thr the message even on the boat.

Kathy Brack

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keao Wright
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 1:23 PM
To: VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: turning off do not disturb while driving



On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 7:21:46 AM UTC-10, Keao Wright wrote:
Thanks, I didn't know it was in the set up screen, could I reset and try it 
again? I only see three options with Bluetooth, manually, and no off option in 
the heading when I looked last night.

On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 7:04:45 AM UTC-10, Joney wrote:
Go to settings, do not disturb, and it is under the heading do not disturb 
while driving. You can have it on or off. It also asked you when you first set 
up the phone, for those who haven’t done so yet. I keep it off, since I don’t 
drive. :-)
Joney
talk...@gmail.com
"If God can bring you to it,
He will lead you through it."

On Sep 26, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Keao Wright 
mailto:alohasm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,
Is their a way to turn off do not disturb while driving in IOS 11?
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Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

[Eden]

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 4, 2018, at 5:53 AM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> 
> I agree.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 4, 2018, at 12:01 AM, Janet Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Richard I grew up with six-dot braille so prefer it I have never really 
>> understoodd why we need two more dots as we can use signs   Janet
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Andy Baracco
>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:32 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>> 
>> If you go to www.accessibleworld.org you can download a recent podcast on
>> this device.
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Janet Bell" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 10:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>> 
>> 
>> what is the braille me p.lease.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: llump...@austin.rr.com
>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 4:56 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>> 
>> We're waiting for the Braille Me. We heard the president of the company on
>> techtalk last Monday and we were very impressed. I highly recommend giving
>> it a listen and giving the product a look.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 9:44 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>> 
>> What it comes down to is personal preference.
>> I'm waiting to get my hands on the Orbit Reader 20 to see how it compares to
>> other displays.
>> I've used:
>> HIMS Braille Edge 40,
>> Baum's Vario Ultra 20 and 40,
>> Humanware's Braillliant BI,
>> Freedom Scientific's Focus 40 and 14; not to mention several of the full
>> braille note takers.
>> 
>> Of the above list, the HIMS BrailleEdge 40 was my favorite.  But, when it
>> died after 3 years and was going to cost close to $2,500 to repair when a
>> new one was just a little more, I decided to wait to see the Orbit 20, which
>> I have not seen yet.
>> 
>> I liked the Braille Edge because it is quiet, solidly built, easy to switch
>> from USB to Bluetooth, has basic note taking functionality using an SD card
>> and comes with a 2 year warrantee.
>> 
>> It is too bad there are not places where you can go and test all the
>> displays to see which one fits your needs the best, because there is no one
>> display that is right for everyone.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Sarai Bucciarelli
>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:27 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>> 
>> They now have a 14 Focus 5th gen as well if you want something smaller.
>> 
>> Sarai D Bucciarelli
>> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.linkedin.com%2Fin%2FSaraiDBucciarelli&data=02%7C01%7C%7C9244e8af6dd243a3470808d56b1a8ee8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636532684164446445&sdata=ICvIVMCds%2BBh%2BDqqvdAGF%2B5bdq1hzvV3fgDUQHEfsgk%3D&reserved=0
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Anouk Radix
>> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 6:30 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
>> 
>> So the focus works well with ios 11? I thought it would be a fairly bulky
>> device what are your experiences for using it on the go? Does it work well
>> in combination with laptops or is it to deep so that you have to reach too
>> far back?
>> I hope the braille cells wont be broken too quickly… Greetings, Anouk,
>> 
>>> On 3 Feb 2018, at 11:39, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I 2nd everything said, plus the fact that it is very quiet, and easy to use.
>>> 
> On Feb 3, 2018, at 4:13 AM, Eden  wrote:
> 
> I tried the Brailliant for all of one day in early December. Bluetooth 
> sucked, and Usb was ok but not great. I sent it back. I now have the 
> focus 40 5th gen and absolutely love it. Dot quality is crisper, made of 
> more and steel no plastic, sd  slot included for use as a future ability 
> to read books and possibly write in stand-alone mode.  It comes with a 
> nice case, can connect to five bluetooth devices, and I would recommend 
> it.
 Eden
 
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Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth

[Anthony Vece]

I agree.



> On Feb 4, 2018, at 12:01 AM, Janet Bell  wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard I grew up with six-dot braille so prefer it I have never really 
> understoodd why we need two more dots as we can use signs   Janet
> 
> -Original Message- From: Andy Baracco
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
> 
> If you go to www.accessibleworld.org you can download a recent podcast on
> this device.
> 
> Andy
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Janet Bell" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 10:08 AM
> Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
> 
> 
> what is the braille me p.lease.
> 
> -Original Message- From: llump...@austin.rr.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 4:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
> 
> We're waiting for the Braille Me. We heard the president of the company on
> techtalk last Monday and we were very impressed. I highly recommend giving
> it a listen and giving the product a look.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 9:44 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
> 
> What it comes down to is personal preference.
> I'm waiting to get my hands on the Orbit Reader 20 to see how it compares to
> other displays.
> I've used:
> HIMS Braille Edge 40,
> Baum's Vario Ultra 20 and 40,
> Humanware's Braillliant BI,
> Freedom Scientific's Focus 40 and 14; not to mention several of the full
> braille note takers.
> 
> Of the above list, the HIMS BrailleEdge 40 was my favorite.  But, when it
> died after 3 years and was going to cost close to $2,500 to repair when a
> new one was just a little more, I decided to wait to see the Orbit 20, which
> I have not seen yet.
> 
> I liked the Braille Edge because it is quiet, solidly built, easy to switch
> from USB to Bluetooth, has basic note taking functionality using an SD card
> and comes with a 2 year warrantee.
> 
> It is too bad there are not places where you can go and test all the
> displays to see which one fits your needs the best, because there is no one
> display that is right for everyone.
> 
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sarai Bucciarelli
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:27 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
> 
> They now have a 14 Focus 5th gen as well if you want something smaller.
> 
> Sarai D Bucciarelli
> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.linkedin.com%2Fin%2FSaraiDBucciarelli&data=02%7C01%7C%7C9244e8af6dd243a3470808d56b1a8ee8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636532684164446445&sdata=ICvIVMCds%2BBh%2BDqqvdAGF%2B5bdq1hzvV3fgDUQHEfsgk%3D&reserved=0
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Anouk Radix
> Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 6:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: best braille display foor ios and bluetooth
> 
> So the focus works well with ios 11? I thought it would be a fairly bulky
> device what are your experiences for using it on the go? Does it work well
> in combination with laptops or is it to deep so that you have to reach too
> far back?
> I hope the braille cells wont be broken too quickly… Greetings, Anouk,
> 
>> On 3 Feb 2018, at 11:39, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> I 2nd everything said, plus the fact that it is very quiet, and easy to use.
>> 
>>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 4:13 AM, Eden  wrote:
>>> 
 I tried the Brailliant for all of one day in early December. Bluetooth 
 sucked, and Usb was ok but not great. I sent it back. I now have the focus 
 40 5th gen and absolutely love it. Dot quality is crisper, made of more 
 and steel no plastic, sd  slot included for use as a future ability to 
 read books and possibly write in stand-alone mode.  It comes with a nice 
 case, can connect to five bluetooth devices, and I would recommend it.
>>> Eden
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Re: Getting ringtones

[Doc wright]

I have a number of tones that I have gathered or created myself. what type 
do you like? Or I could zip a folder of what I have.
Yes, you would need itunes to install them. after unzipping the folder  you 
can copy the folder and paste it into the itunes window.then connect your 
phone, press f6 until you hear 'search' then tab to 'iphone' and press 
space.
Now tab to 'summary treeview'.
type t o for tones
tab and check the box for adding tones
 note: you will get a warning choose yes.
tab to apply or sync

- Original Message - 
From: "Terri Stimmel" 
To: 
Sent: February 2, 2018 01:10 PM
Subject: Getting ringtones


Hello everyone,


I was wondering, where is a good place to get ringtones from, that will
work on the iPhone?

Free would be nice, but finding reasonably priced ones would also work.


Once I find ringtones, how do I go about getting them on to my phone?

I take it that I would have to use iTunes for this?


Any help would be awesome!


Thank you,


Terri

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Re: BO lagging?

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi not on my iPhone 6s, which in my opinion always ran iOS 11 very well. This 
may happen on the older devices though, like the iPhone 5s and iPad Mini 2.

> On 4 Feb 2018, at 09:17, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> Does anybody else find that in iOS 11 voice-over is lagging way behind what 
> is actually visible on the screen? Example: when i wake my phone and, after a 
> couple of goes at fingerprint ID, i succeed and the screen has already passed 
> the lock screen and the visible focus is on the first folder on my home 
> screen, voice-over still announced “Try again”. All when I have tapped on a 
> different folder from the first one on the home screen, and the focus is 
> clearly visible to me around that chosen folder, voiceover still announces 
> the name of the first home screen folder and if I double tap, my phone opens 
> that first folder not the one the visible focus is on. Puzzling. Is this a 
> known bug?
> Regards
> Harry iPhone 7 Plus ios 11.2.5
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BO lagging?

[Harry Bell]

 Does anybody else find that in iOS 11 voice-over is lagging way behind what is 
actually visible on the screen? Example: when i wake my phone and, after a 
couple of goes at fingerprint ID, i succeed and the screen has already passed 
the lock screen and the visible focus is on the first folder on my home screen, 
voice-over still announced “Try again”. All when I have tapped on a different 
folder from the first one on the home screen, and the focus is clearly visible 
to me around that chosen folder, voiceover still announces the name of the 
first home screen folder and if I double tap, my phone opens that first folder 
not the one the visible focus is on. Puzzling. Is this a known bug?
Regards
Harry iPhone 7 Plus ios 11.2.5

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