In concluding this thread, I want to mention that this is a classic
anomaly. I've attempted to make the case that the world is, the way that
it is, because it has a super natural component, which guides it. Even
more anomalous are the writings of the Prophets which spell this
scenario out in
Some people in this forum may be surprised that I have not contributed to
this discussion. So, here I am to make a few points.
1. This is a valid discussion, since the religious/political events of the
next 20 years will affect us all more seriously than the success or failure
of cold fusion.
Howdy Jeff,
No problem with you bellying up to the bar on this topic , provided you
got big enough elbows.
Your point makes a case of effect until you factor in China and the
Pacific Rim where China is the master. Our religions and politics represent
near zero in the great game.. it is our
On 12/6/2008 6:26 AM, Jeff Fink wrote:
3. Of the three major religions in this discussion:
Muslims are instructed to destroy their enemies (which include
infidels).
Christians are instructed to love their enemies (A very difficult
thing for most of us to do)
Jews are instructed that
thomas malloy wrote:
Edmund Storms wrote:
thomas malloy wrote:
The return of the Jews, the conquest of the land, it's subsequent
prosperity, the hatred of the Arabs, their refusal to get over the
indignity of the loss of that part of their conquered land, the
Liberals support of Islam.
I don't know why anybody in the US cares about Israel. It is just another
Middle Eastern shithole. If the jews and the arabs want to kill each other,
that's fine by me, as long as my tax dollars don't go to prop them up.
As long as none of them screw up our oil supply - and the arabs won't,
I don't know all the facts so I must go by the funny papers, virtual TV and
the bible. Gaza had greenhouses producing food. Gaza was ceded to Hezbubba
by Israel. Hezbubba destroyed the greenhouses which produced the food and
provided jobs, effectively hurting nobody but themselves.They are
Thomas sez:
Edmund Storms wrote:
thomas malloy wrote:
The return of the Jews, the conquest of the land, it's subsequent
prosperity, the hatred of the Arabs, their refusal to get over the
indignity of the loss of that part of their conquered land, the
Liberals support of Islam. IMHO,
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:50 AM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
G_d never rewarded me with a Mercedes-Benz, even though all my friends
have one, and I must makes amends.
If Adolf had known the Jews were going to be MB's best customers, he
might have rethought the holocaust.
Terry
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:50 AM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think I'll heed the advice of several participants and step out for
some fresh air.
God was missing for six days. Eventually, Michael, the archangel,
found him, resting on the seventh day.
He inquired, Where have you
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:50 AM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It might be wise to prepare for the possibility of a different
outcome, one that does not involve Divine Calvary coming to the
rescue.
Sayings of a Jewish Buddhist
If there is no self, whose arthritis is this?
Be here
Great story Terry, just what we need to lower the tension. If we need
more proof that God is nothing but trouble, read the attached article.
http://www.antiwar.com/avnery/?articleid=12963
Ed
Terry Blanton wrote:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 8:50 AM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think
On 11/6/2008 1:49 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
thomas malloy wrote:
Edmund Storms wrote:
thomas malloy wrote:
The return of the Jews, the conquest of the land, it's subsequent
prosperity, the hatred of the Arabs, their refusal to get over the
indignity of the loss of that part of
On 11/6/2008 1:49 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
thomas malloy wrote:
Edmund Storms wrote:
thomas malloy wrote:
The return of the Jews, the conquest of the land, it's subsequent
prosperity, the hatred of the Arabs, their refusal to get over the
indignity of the loss of that part of
On 10/6/2008 9:59 PM, R C Macaulay wrote:
Howdy Vorts,
Seems this thread has taken on a life of it's own. Time to take the mirror
down from behind the bar before sumbuddy starts preaching a sermon and
tosses a whiskey bottle.
The boys at the Dime Box saloon practice peaceful co-existence
Harry Veeder wrote:
On 11/6/2008 1:49 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
thomas malloy wrote:
Edmund Storms wrote:
thomas malloy wrote:
The return of the Jews, the conquest of the land, it's subsequent
prosperity, the hatred of the Arabs, their refusal to get over the
indignity of the loss
Howdy Ed Storms,
Back in the 1880's some Jews made a deal and bought some land from the
Sultan of Turkey to establish Kibbutze farms along the Gaza strip, later
greenhouses. So I could suppose that a guy got thrown off his land might
harbor some resentment but it depends on who you are in
Terry sez:
There is no escaping karma.
In a previous life,
you never called,
you never wrote,
you never visited.
And whose fault was that?
Priceless.
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
On 11/6/2008 1:45 PM, Edmund Storms wrote:
Harry Veeder wrote:
On 11/6/2008 1:49 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
thomas malloy wrote:
Edmund Storms wrote:
thomas malloy wrote:
The return of the Jews, the conquest of the land, it's subsequent
prosperity, the hatred of the
R C Macaulay wrote:
Howdy Vorts,
Gosh, golly, gee folks, here we go again with the Jews and arabs. This
time the wedge is oil. The USA uses oil like toilet paper and
everybuddy knows wez intitled to it.. or we think we do. We have
enough oil provided we turn off a few lights and live like
Howdy Thomas,
Don't know. Doubt any complex conspiracies are developing in Wash DC other
than a regime is passing and the players in the great game are scrambling as
new players form behind the curtain for the next act in the drama. Beyond
gridlock could be the theme and the music a takeoff
OrionWorks wrote:
Philip sez:
...
People are where they are because it's where they
are, as part of the dream. My approach is, live
with it. go out, have a coffee and a bagel (or some
nice organic bread) and get on with life. There's
room enough for everyone, and everyone can make good,
Stephen, you are making a huge assumption when you say that past lives
are not remembered. I suggest you read the books by Dr. Ian Stevenson
(MD). Prof. Stevenson spent his career at the University of Virginia
investigating reincarnation using a scientific approach. Naturally, his
extensive
Stephen sez:
Perhaps in ten or twelve more lifetimes I'll get the
hang of it. ;-)
Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way; there isn't
any practice effect among incarnated beings.
Memory is organic, mediated by the hippocampus and
related brain hardware. Consequently at the end of
your
Edmund Storms wrote:
Stephen, you are making a huge assumption when you say that past lives
are not remembered.
True, it's a big one; it's based on the small amount I've read about
brain science plus some major guesses.
So far, as we continue to learn more about brain function,
I think people make a mistake by defining the problem too narrowly. Only
those facts or observation that involve physical processes are
considered. Everything else is pushed aside as being religion,
mysticism, or imagination. Granted, if each metaphysical observation is
viewed in isolation,
On a more personal note, Shephen. I agree, the brain can do some very
strange things. Naturally, these are always explained using established
physical laws, rather like the approach we experience with cold fusion.
But as I get older and more educated about other possibilities, I find I
have a
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
R C Macaulay wrote:
Howdy Vorts,
Gosh, golly, gee folks, here we go again with the Jews and arabs.
This time the wedge is oil. The USA uses oil like toilet paper and
everybuddy knows wez intitled to it.. or we think we do. We have
enough oil provided we turn
From Thomas:
R C Macaulay wrote:
Howdy Vorts,
Gosh, golly, gee folks, here we go again with the Jews and arabs.
This time the wedge is oil. The USA uses oil like toilet paper and
everybuddy knows wez intitled to it.. or we think we do. We have
enough oil provided we turn off
This
You are certainly right Stephen, might does make right and land is
always taken by force and retained the victor. We did it to the British,
the Indians, and to the Mexicans while feeling very proud of ourselves.
However, the situation with Israel is different. Here a higher moral
principal is
Apology to all: This is way, way off topic. I won't respond again on
anything biblical, or even Middle Eastern, in this thread. (If you want
to yell at me about it do it privately and spare the rest of the list.)
thomas malloy wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
R C Macaulay wrote:
Edmund Storms wrote:
You are certainly right Stephen, might does make right and land is
always taken by force and retained the victor.
Excuse me, I didn't say that, or didn't intend to. It's Thomas who
elevated it to a principle of international law in this thread, just
before I went
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Edmund Storms wrote:
You are certainly right Stephen, might does make right and land is
always taken by force and retained the victor.
Excuse me, I didn't say that, or didn't intend to. It's Thomas who
elevated it to a principle of international law in this
From Ed Storms:
Sorry to misinterpret you [S. Lawrence]. Nevertheless,
I agree with you. However, international law is a
recent concept as our examples point out. So, on that
basis, Israel has violated international law as well
as the moral behavior Christ taught. So, what remains?
I guess
Good idea, Steven, but I suggest a different approach from atheism. A
good dose of real humility would work as well. If they would simply
question whether a god as old and complex as the one that must exist in
a universe as vast and old as ours would give a shit who occupies this
speck of
Quite right Ed. For an interesting story on this, read any of the biographies
of Edgar Cayce - The Sleeping Prophet
P..
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Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds
- The Sleeping Prophet
P..
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From: Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds
Stephen, you are making a huge assumption when you say that past lives
are not remembered. I suggest you
The return of the Jews, the conquest of the land, it's subsequent
prosperity, the hatred of the Arabs, their refusal to get over the
indignity of the loss of that part of their conquered land, the Liberals
support of Islam. IMHO, It's all supernatural. BTW, comprise will get
no where with the
thomas malloy wrote:
The return of the Jews, the conquest of the land, it's subsequent
prosperity, the hatred of the Arabs, their refusal to get over the
indignity of the loss of that part of their conquered land, the Liberals
support of Islam. IMHO, It's all supernatural. BTW, comprise
Message
From: Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:31:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds
thomas malloy wrote:
The return of the Jews, the conquest of the land, it's subsequent
prosperity, the hatred of the Arabs, their refusal to get
I don't like to play amateur moderator, and you can correctly say that I
have no business either. It's just selfish: I enjoy the posts from the
participants here, want them to stay, and I can tell the conversation is
just this close to where people begin to leave in a huff or get put in the
Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:31:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds
thomas malloy wrote:
The return of the Jews, the conquest of the land, it's subsequent
prosperity, the hatred of the Arabs, their refusal to get over the
indignity
: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds
I'm amazed Philip that you would call my analysis lies and hypocrisy. We
can differ about what the facts mean, but I don't understand why you
can't acknowledge easily verifiable facts. Unfortunately, your reaction
is not uncommon and it is the reason why rational
Howdy Vorts,
Seems this thread has taken on a life of it's own. Time to take the mirror
down from behind the bar before sumbuddy starts preaching a sermon and
tosses a whiskey bottle.
The boys at the Dime Box saloon practice peaceful co-existence and .. the
rule is to be wise as serpents
Edmund Storms wrote:
thomas malloy wrote:
The return of the Jews, the conquest of the land, it's subsequent
prosperity, the hatred of the Arabs, their refusal to get over the
indignity of the loss of that part of their conquered land, the
Liberals support of Islam. IMHO, It's all
Steve K for my email address.
P.
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From: Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2008 11:41:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds
I don't like the situation either, Philip. However, when a nation has
the oil we need
Howdy Vorts,
Gosh, golly, gee folks, here we go again with the Jews and arabs. This time the
wedge is oil. The USA uses oil like toilet paper and everybuddy knows wez
intitled to it.. or we think we do. We have enough oil provided we turn off a
few lights and live like I we did back in the
From Philip (addressed to Edmund Storms):
If you want to have further discussions on this
(or Sai Baba, or Reality), you may want to ask
Steve K for my email address.
It's my understanding that when one joins the Vortex group they must
assign a personal email address. Anyone on the vortex
: Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2008 7:03:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds
Well, Philip, you did see Bush holding hands with the Saudi king. He was
trying to get the Saudi to pump more oil, which they refused to do.
However, I see no conflict
R C Macaulay wrote:
Howdy Vorts,
Gosh, golly, gee folks, here we go again with the Jews and arabs. This
time the wedge is oil. The USA uses oil like toilet paper and
everybuddy knows wez intitled to it.. or we think we do. We have enough
oil provided we turn off a few lights and live like
was thinking as he was
conquering)... We're not really in control of outcomes, although we think we
are.
See what I mean about my tending to lecture?
P.
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From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 10:17:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang
... So we get
guys writing such stunningly intellectual books... and those who lap up their
content.
End of lecture
P.
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From: Mark S Bilk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 10:32:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds
Here's a good
I am an Arab. Hath not an Arab eyes? Hath not an Arab hands, organs,
dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with the same food, hurt with
the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means,
warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer as a Jew? If you prick us do
we
Will S. wrote:
. . . healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter
and summer as a Jew? If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle
us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die?
You left out the best line! The last line, forever pertinent in the
Middle East:
And
, and of course, when to
worship, then you're their man. Go for it.
P.
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From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 8:11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds
Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds I am an Arab. Hath not an Arab eyes
(apologies to Richard).
P.
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From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 3:57:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds
R C Macaulay wrote:
Howdy Vorts,
Gosh, golly, gee folks, here we go again with the Jews and arabs
Philip sez:
...
People are where they are because it's where they
are, as part of the dream. My approach is, live
with it. go out, have a coffee and a bagel (or some
nice organic bread) and get on with life. There's
room enough for everyone, and everyone can make good,
as long as they
Pay attention to the emerging news from Blacklight Power. An existing cell
delivers 50 kW peak power and 753 kJ from a 5 gm charge of fuel. That energy
will vaporize 8 oz. of water. An energy balance estimate from Mills says
that a 1 gigawatt power plant would consume 1 liter H20 per second.
From Mike Carrell:
Pay attention to the emerging news from Blacklight Power. An
existing cell delivers 50 kW peak power and 753 kJ from a 5
gm charge of fuel. That energy will vaporize 8 oz. of water.
An energy balance estimate from Mills says that a 1 gigawatt
power plant would consume 1
Exactly.
P.
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From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 9:05:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds
Philip sez:
...
People are where they are because it's where they
are, as part of the dream. My approach is, live
to worship, then you're their man. Go for it.
Of course I don't go for it.
Harry
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From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 8:11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds
Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds I am an Arab. Hath
Ed Storms wrote on Sat, 24 May 2008:
This approach has been applied repeatedly with the
same outcome. For example, during the cold war, Russia
made simple and cheap reactors that powered their
satellites. We, on the other hand, tried to make a
perfect reactor that totally failed. As a result, we
Hi Jack,
You are right. The oil gang has benefited from Iraq. However, this
benefit is temporary, as I'm sure they must realize. Meanwhile,
decisions have set in motion that will eventually lead to their demise
as well as a situation that no one wants. For example, all kinds of oil
saving
agents in disguise... Silly me for not
immediately seeing that...
P.
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From: Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2008 11:40:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds
Hi Jack,
You are right. The oil gang has benefited from Iraq
Edmund Storms wrote:
The third possibility, which I favor, is that the Bush gang is so
incompetent and so under the domination of Israel . . .
That is outrageous anti-Semitic crap. The Bush administration has
done more to harm Israel than any other in U.S. history. I will grant
they did not
Jed, you have bought into the logic that Israel can not be criticized
without being anti-Semitic. In fact, even many Jews are unhappy by the
policies of Israel. Critiquing the policy of Israel is no more being
anti-Semitic than critiquing Bush is being anti-American.
As for the US harming
, 2008 11:40:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds
Hi Jack,
You are right. The oil gang has benefited from Iraq. However, this
benefit is temporary, as I'm sure they must realize. Meanwhile,
decisions have set in motion that will eventually lead to their demise
as well as a situation that no one
Philip recently sed:
I thought I saw President Bush holding hands with a Saudi person
some time ago, ...
and ed recently sed:
Well, Philip, you did see Bush holding hands with
the Saudi king. He was trying to get the Saudi to pump
more oil, which they refused to do. However, I see no
words a little more carefully if you can't offer scientific
explanations. They're a dead giveaway...
P.
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From: Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2008 7:03:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds
Well, Philip, you did see
, in the public eye, and
American ways are different.
There seems to be a definite chumminess, which under other circumstances is
perfectly ok.
P.
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From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2008 7:40:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang
.
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From: Edmund Storms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2008 7:03:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds
Well, Philip, you did see Bush holding hands with the Saudi king. He was
trying to get the Saudi to pump more oil, which they refused to do
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