Mayka,
I was referring to the post below which talked about yelling in pain. Maybe
violent is a little over-the-top. How about vigorous?
…Bill!
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Mike,
Again, I agree with your analysis and sympathize with your proposed solution;
but for me that’s just substituting one illusory explanation with another.
Describing it in scientific terms is just as misleading as describing it in
spiritual terms. But, I must admit it would be a refreshin
Bill;
Yes definitely vigorous is a most appropriate word as the sounds in this way
don't come out with the same sound as when awareness is not there having as a
result a separation between breath, body and mind. It's in that separation
that attachment, blockage of energy, hysteria takes pla
I don't trust of introducing these methods in the health system. It's more
simple the old method of "love" as the guide. This is so like this that it
came yesterday the them of kindness during the sharing time in my sangha I went
almost shocked of how complicated they made it sound something t
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Ed, My reply is embedded below:
You Wrote:
IMHO, 'scientific mumbo-jumbo' is *your* illusion/delusion.
[Bill!] Science is illusory so it is everyone's illusion who embraces it.
Zen, being a natural phenomenon, is quite amenable to observation,
meaurement and logical scrutiny - like all
Apologies post below can't be understood well. I used the spellchecker and
came something very strange. I try again:
I don't trust of the introduction of meditation methods and alike into the
health system. It's more simple the old method of "love" as the guide for it
gives by itself kindnes
Illusory:
o Resulting from an illusion; deceptive, imaginary, unreal
o illusion - an erroneous mental representation
oillusion - something many people believe that is false; "they have
the illusion that I am very wealthy"
oillusion - delusion: the act of deluding; deception by c
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez wrote:
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> I don't trust of introducing these methods in the health system.
Mayka, some do, some don't.
> It's more simple the old method of "love" as the guide.
What 'love' do you have in mind?
* a strong positive emotion of regard and aff
Mayka asked: "Is it [the yelling] violent?"
Mayka,
Yelling is just what it is - yelling.
But yelling in public can be quite annoying and disturbing to some or
many.
Therefore the would-be yeller needs ask himself/herself the question:
"Shall I apply my understanding of zen to *myself* an
ED:
I'm afraid that your questions aren't applicable to post sent as you completely
missed out the point. It does happens. Look into the soul of the
post,specially love and with a bit of luck you may understand what I meant by
that. Throw away all organised notions from the folders of your
You missed the point again. And by the way, nature screams when something
harms it. Have you ever hear the earth screams yet ?The social morals and
social behaviours created by society have nothing to do with nature. If one
is by the sea no one gets annoyed or disturbed by someone trying to
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez wrote:
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> ED: > I'm afraid that your questions aren't applicable to post
sent as you completely missed out the point. Mayka, What is your
point? > It does happens. Look into the soul of the post,specially
love and with a bit of luck yo
ED:
I give you that and you may be right and it was an arrogant remark. Sorry
offense was not intended. And as for the rest...Please forgive me if I choose
to be silence.
Best
Mayka
--- On Fri, 22/10/10, ED wrote:
From: ED
Subject: Re: [Zen] Questions, questions, question
To: Zen_For
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez wrote:
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> You missed the point again.
What point have I missed again?
> And by the way, nature screams when something harms it.
Yes, nature has every reason to scream:
"Who trusted God was love indeed And love Creation's final law Tho'
Nature,
Natural childbirth of the first child is more close to violent than vigorous.
Blood sweat and tears, giving your all for something other than your self, and
a world-changing triumph.
Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
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On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:31, wrote:
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> Mayka,
>
> I was r
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez wrote:
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> ED:
>
> I give you that and you may be right and it was an arrogant remark.
Mayka, the Zen forum is privileged to have a person with the belief and
confidence in self that you possess.
> Sorry offense was not intended.
I know. You are
Chris said: ... giving your all for something other than your self, ...
Generally all human actions are directed toward the interests of self
and groups we identify with.
But you assert that child-birth with its blood, sweat and tears is an
exception to the universal self-centered focus of hu
Chris -
My first wife slept through much of the labor of our first child. This was
without medication. The birth of our third child was the most difficult,
painful, and traumatic.
Nature does not subscribe to human rules of damage, loss, and harm. Nature
just is. Nature doesn't scream, it sim
Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
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On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:38, "ED" wrote:
> Therefore the would-be yeller needs ask himself/herself the question:
No! That is just adding mental activity on top of the impulse to yell.
If you are unsure about the yelling, breath, wait, and see i
ED;
Here you go. You've got it in action the meaning of love expressed in empathy
for the other person, kindest, encouragement, vocabulary used watering
confidence over the listener.
Thank you for your beauty and participation in the forum. Thank you for being
there.
PS: I've been fasti
Chris,
The higlighted portion of my post below was not intended as a
recommendation, but as a (sort-of) koan to contemplate.
--ED
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Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
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On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:38, "ED" > wrote:
> Therefore
Mark:
Nature, Earth Scream: This is a metaphor implying the complains of the earth
made in the hands of human beings. These complains of Mother Earth manifest
themselves in ecologic disasters.
Mayka
--- On Fri, 22/10/10, Mark Perew wrote:
From: Mark Perew
Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive
Mayka -
Nature does not complain, since nature does not have have any attachments to
how things "should be". Nature neither accepts nor rejects what is. Nature
just is.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Maria Lopez wrote:
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> *Mark:*
> * *
> *Nature, Earth Scream: This is a metaphor implyi
Mark:
How would you call then the ecological disasters caused by the abuse of
mankind?. Choose a different word if you feel to be more appropriate. Mother
Earth is alive. Don't hearing its screams or complain or reaction to be abused
is a different matter. That is what is for zazen, mindfu
Mark said: "Nature has no goals"
The one single law that nature is (in effect) driven by is the
replication and survival of living entities.
--ED
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> Chris -
>
> My first wife slept through much of the labor of our first child. This
was
ED,
I watched your acupuncture movie only for 2 seconds, and I knew what it meaned.
I have not seen scientific papers prove the existing or functioning of chi on a
direct basis. But you must agree that it is proved to exist by the following:
- Acupuncture works and cures, and it is based on
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Doesn't it? Then why were you born? Why are there myriads of things, instead of
nothing existing?
Anthony
--- On Sat, 23/10/10, ED wrote:
From: ED
Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation?
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 23 October, 2010, 12:51
LOL, Anthony.
Perhaps if you could put quotation marks on "foreign devil" and explain
what it means.
Thank you.
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On 10/22/2010 2:39 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:
ED,
I watched your acupuncture movie onl
Mayka -
Over the 4 billion or so years that planet Earth has existed, life has come
and gone many times. This infinitesimal grain of sand we call home has been
heated by volcanoes and dust, frozen over, slammed into by even smaller
rocks, and poisoned with oxygen. Each event was traumatic, and l
Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
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On Oct 22, 2010, at 10:19, Mark Perew wrote:
> Nature does not complain, since nature does not have have any attachments to
> how things "should be". Nature neither accepts nor rejects what is. Nature
> just is.
This division of things into
Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
Sent from a cell phone
On Oct 22, 2010, at 16:40, Mark Perew wrote:
> Nature does not care what we do, because there is no person there to care.
People are a part of nature. People are a part of nature that has a complex
enough brain to get confused and try to liv
I think Bill is reflecting the idiomatic usage. If you say Eat Your Heart Out,
you have the gold/car/sex.
Thanks,
Chris Austin-Lane
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On Oct 22, 2010, at 14:49, Anthony Wu wrote:
> heough I am not a native English speaker, my understanding is that when you
> tell George
Ed, You observed and commented:
> It does happens. Look into the soul of the post,specially love and with a
bit of luck you may understand what I meant by that.
I experience your statement above as arrogant, condescending and insulting -
but I acknowledge to myself that that's how *I* ex
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> it simply is. Nature has no goals, no regrets, no ambitions, no sense of
> this human invention of time, no life, no non-life, no death, etc. Nature
> is.
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Chris -
I think you've rebutted your own statement. The separation from Nature is
illusion, maya, etc.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:52 PM, ChrisAustinLane wrote:
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> Thanks,
> Chris Austin-Lane
> Sent from a cell phone
>
> On Oct 22, 2010, at 16:40, Mark Perew wrote:
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> > Nature does not car
Bill,
Can you say a little more about this matter?
--ED
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> Zen practice has no goals.
> Bill!
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