Re: [logging] Commons Logging 2.0?

2014-12-01 Thread Christian Grobmeier
the following: - jdk support for at least 7 (varargs need 5, but MessageFormat 7) - remove AvalonLogger and LogKitLogger For anything more I would point to log4j 2. Gary div Original message /divdivFrom: Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com /divdivDate:11/30/2014 16

Re: [logging] Commons Logging 2.0?

2014-12-01 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Christian Gary On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2014, at 00:50, sebb wrote: But it would be interesting to know why the Spring dev thought a new version would be useful. The team seemed to discuss moving to slf4j

Re: [logging] Commons Logging 2.0?

2014-12-01 Thread Christian Grobmeier
thing to compare WRT to performance and String.format and our own {} support... any thoughts on that? Gary On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2014, at 00:50, sebb wrote: But it would be interesting to know why the Spring

Re: [logging] Commons Logging 2.0?

2014-12-01 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014, at 18:04, sebb wrote: On 1 December 2014 at 09:28, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: That aside, I would do the following: - jdk support for at least 7 (varargs need 5, but MessageFormat 7) Just saw MessageFormat is even available in jdk 5. So I would

[logging] Commons Logging 2.0?

2014-11-30 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Hi folks, I am perfectly aware that I was saying CL needs to be deprecated only before month. Tomcat uses CL and that was more or less the reason it would stay - so I thought. Recently I talked to a person actively involved in Spring. He explained, Spring would use CL and they are quite happy

Re: [JCS] Rework logging

2014-08-22 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.com: On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau rmannibu...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-08-21 21:15 GMT+02:00 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com: On 20 Aug 2014, at 15:47, sebb wrote: On 20 August 2014 14:37, Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [JCS] Rework logging

2014-08-21 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 20 Aug 2014, at 19:35, Thomas Vandahl wrote: On 20.08.14 15:37, Gary Gregory wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:28 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 August 2014 14:04, Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.com wrote: Moving discussion about logging from [JCS-122] to this dev ML. Why not

Re: [JCS] Rework logging

2014-08-21 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 20 Aug 2014, at 15:47, sebb wrote: On 20 August 2014 14:37, Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:28 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 20 August 2014 14:04, Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.com wrote: Moving discussion about logging from [JCS-122] to this

Re: [JCS] Rework logging

2014-08-21 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Romain, On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau rmannibu...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-08-21 21:15 GMT+02:00 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com: Not adding a dependency for one line answer. For longer one: take tomee example: we have [logging], slf4j cause of dependencies

Re: [Laboratory Toolkit] proposing a new Apache Commons component

2013-12-05 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 5 Dec 2013, at 13:44, Valentin Waeselynck wrote: Should I keep answering to the whole ML about this, or only to you? Keep the mailing list in loop. There might be others interested in this. In addition ml do document history which is why we always use the ml. Best regards, Valentin

Commons Logging Marketshare (and other commons components)

2013-12-05 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Hi folks, i found this interesting: http://www.takipiblog.com/2013/11/26/githubs-1-most-popular-java-projects-here-are-the-top-libraries-they-use/ Cheers Christian --- http://www.grobmeier.de @grobmeier GPG: 0xA5CC90DB -

Re: [all] Removing websites of dormant components

2013-12-04 Thread Christian Grobmeier
, Christian Grobmeier wrote: On 29 Nov 2013, at 19:21, sebb wrote: I agree that the Javadoc pages could be removed. Although it would not be difficult to fix the individual pages, there's not much point in fixing Javadoc for dormant components. However I'm not sure it makes sense to delete the entire

Re: [all] Removing websites of dormant components

2013-12-04 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Date:12/04/2013 03:42 (GMT-05:00) To: Commons Developers List dev@commons.apache.org Subject: Re: [all] Removing websites of dormant components Le 04/12/2013 09:35, Christian Grobmeier a écrit : No objections or no interest? A few more comments would have been helpful. I am going to remove all

Re: [cli] Moving to Git?

2013-11-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 26 Nov 2013, at 14:35, Gary Gregory wrote: On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Emmanuel Bourg ebo...@apache.org wrote: Le 26/11/2013 08:43, Benedikt Ritter a écrit : I propose [1] as branching model. It looks very complicated at first, but I've found it very useful to always have a release

[all] Removing websites of dormant components

2013-11-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 19.10. I wrote a mail in response to Henri Yandell. http://markmail.org/message/c63kqyipuy6islib I would like to follow up on the issues i mentioned there. Our dormant components are unmaintained and our dormant websites are broken. Therefore I would like to remove the websites. In

Re: [cli] Moving to Git?

2013-11-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 29 Nov 2013, at 14:39, Torsten Curdt wrote: This in fact means: create a master branch which is stable. create a develop branch which is not so stable. create feature branches from develop where you work out your changes. We are just swapping the branch names here, in the end your

Re: [cli] Moving to Git?

2013-11-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 29 Nov 2013, at 14:44, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: Le 29/11/2013 14:28, Christian Grobmeier a écrit : We should respect the naming conventions of git as good as possible. But git is a tool, not a development method, right? As such it doesn't mandate any specific workflow, even if a random

Re: [all] Removing websites of dormant components

2013-11-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 29 Nov 2013, at 19:21, sebb wrote: I agree that the Javadoc pages could be removed. Although it would not be difficult to fix the individual pages, there's not much point in fixing Javadoc for dormant components. However I'm not sure it makes sense to delete the entire website because of

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-14 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 14 Nov 2013, at 10:01, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: Le 10/11/2013 21:46, Christian Grobmeier a écrit : From all the log4j talks I gave recently there were zero people using commons-logging. For me it is dead. For what it's worth, the install base of commons-logging in Debian is ten times

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-10 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 10 Nov 2013, at 18:47, Lukasz Lenart wrote: Ok, so let's leave logging layer for now and we should focus on preparing the first release +1, thanks Lukasz! 2013/11/9 Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.com: Neither does log4j 2 ;) Original message From: henrib

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-10 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 10 Nov 2013, at 21:24, henrib wrote: Would you share why ? I'm sure it would be beneficial to others (including the commons logging community). Sorry I was short in my reply because I mentioned this a few times already. Didn't find the mails, so here we go: As you probably know, I have

Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-11-05 Thread Christian Grobmeier
: -Original Message- From: Benedikt Ritter [mailto:brit...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 4:28 To: Commons Developers List Subject: Re: [OGNL] Make use of logging? 2013/9/4 Lukasz Lenart lukaszlen...@apache.org 2013/9/3 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com: I found 11 uses

Re: [CHALLENGE] Move All of Commons to the Dormant

2013-10-19 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 18 Oct 2013, at 9:24, Jörg Schaible wrote: Hi Christian, Christian Grobmeier wrote: On 17 Oct 2013, at 18:12, Paul Benedict wrote: I am glad to hear being dormant is not the same thing as being in the attic Why? Because attic means more or less that we not even intend to work

Re: [CHALLENGE] Move All of Commons to the Dormant

2013-10-19 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 19 Oct 2013, at 17:22, Henri Yandell wrote: On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:25 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.comwrote: Being in the attic is NOT a permanent thing. Get active developers, leave the attic. If a project doesn't make any sense, stay in the attic. We are having an attic

Re: [CHALLENGE] Move All of Commons to the Dormant

2013-10-17 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 17 Oct 2013, at 2:39, Henri Yandell wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:59 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 October 2013 12:25, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: If nobody is willing to put a component to dormant state, then the label doesn't make any sense. I would vote

Re: [CHALLENGE] Move All of Commons to the Dormant

2013-10-16 Thread Christian Grobmeier
If nobody is willing to put a component to dormant state, then the label doesn't make any sense. I would vote to remove the dormant state in general. If we don't have any need of a specific component we can put it to attic.apache.org too. No need to duplicate things. If we don't have a

Re: [VOTE] Release Compress 1.6 based on RC2

2013-10-16 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Hi, [X] +1 Release these artifacts On 16 Oct 2013, at 15:20, Gary Gregory wrote: Thank you Stefan for the new RC. +1 Maybe I have interpreted the Clirr report wrong. But besides the two buffer fields it doesn't look so bad (just additions). I believe these two fields are acceptable

Re: [VOTE] Release Compress 1.6 based on RC2

2013-10-16 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 16 Oct 2013, at 16:28, Gary Gregory wrote: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.comwrote: Maybe I have interpreted the Clirr report wrong. But besides the two buffer fields it doesn't look so bad (just additions). I believe these two fields are acceptable

Re: [VOTE] Move Apache Commons to Git for SCM...

2013-10-16 Thread Christian Grobmeier
James Carman Romain Manni-Bucau Matt Benson Benedikt Ritter Bruno Kinoshita Gary Gregory Luc Maisonobe Oliver Heger Christian Grobmeier Torsten Curdt -1s Mark Thomas Thomas Vandahl Damjan Jovanovic Gilles Sadowski Jorg Schaible +0.5 Olivier Lamy +0 Ralph Goers -0 Emmanuel Bourg The vote passes

Re: [VOTE] Move Apache Commons to Git for SCM...

2013-10-16 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 16 Oct 2013, at 22:46, Phil Steitz wrote: On 10/16/13 1:34 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: On 14 Oct 2013, at 9:13, Mark Thomas wrote: Further, if the consensus amongst the active developers on a component is that they wish to stick to svn, I see no why that component should be forced

Re: Apache Commons IRC Channel...

2013-10-14 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 14 Oct 2013, at 15:34, Emmanuel Bourg wrote: Thanks to the infra team we now have JIRA and svn commit notifications on the channel. Enjoy :) boah thats cool! Thanks for organizing that! (assuming oyu did!) Emmanuel Bourg Le 10/10/2013 18:15, James Carman a écrit : As a reminder, we

Re: [VOTE] Moving to Git...

2013-10-11 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 10 Oct 2013, at 18:43, Jörg Schaible wrote: Hi James, James Carman wrote: Sorry, didn't understand your question. The Apache Camel team uses Git and they release maintenance versions all the time (I believe about 3 or 4 at a time sometimes when a bug fix gets merged down). Here's a

Re: [VOTE] Moving to Git...

2013-10-11 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1 I consider this move to happen step by step and see only little risk if we start with a single component first. As the half of the world works with git meanwhile I see less risk in general too. On 10 Oct 2013, at 16:41, James Carman wrote: All, We have had some great discussions

Re: [VOTE] Moving to Git...

2013-10-11 Thread Christian Grobmeier
, 2013 at 6:01 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.comwrote: +1 I consider this move to happen step by step and see only little risk if we start with a single component first. As the half of the world works with git meanwhile I see less risk in general too. On 10 Oct 2013, at 16:41

Re: [VOTE] Move Apache Commons to Git for SCM...

2013-10-11 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1 let's move on step by step. On 10 Oct 2013, at 16:50, James Carman wrote: All, We have had some great discussions about moving our SCM to Git. I think it's time to put it to a vote. So, here we go: +1 - yes, move to Git -1 - no, do not move to Git The vote will be left open for 72

Re: [DISCUSS] Putting several unmaintained components to dormant

2013-10-09 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Here is some commit activity: http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?view=plotfrom=20130101to=20131009path=%2Fcommons%2Fproperplotsort=%24plotsort But we should to exclude typo fixes and such. For example:

Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to Git...

2013-10-08 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 8 Oct 2013, at 6:53, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote: Hi Not sure svn is the issue. What makes quality and which rules are mandatory is more important IMO. If you want to attract a new generation it is important. Would you contribute to a CVS project? I would if you need it urgently for work.

Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to Git...

2013-10-08 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 8 Oct 2013, at 11:42, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote: just an habit. svn diff attach diff to a jira is as easy/hard as git push + PR. Tools like GitHub succeed because not everybody agrees with you. svn/diff is stoneage to some. git/pr is the future for them. Maybe you are right about the

Re: [DISCUSS] Why is releasing such a pain and what can we do to make it easier?

2013-10-08 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 8 Oct 2013, at 20:07, Benedikt Ritter wrote: Hey Gary, you are involved in other projects (like log4j2) how do they do it? Is it easier to release log4j2 than it is to release for example [lang]? Check this guide: http://wiki.apache.org/logging/Log4j2ReleaseGuide In fact we have an ASF

Re: [DISCUSS] Mission Statement for Commons...

2013-10-07 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 7 Oct 2013, at 12:58, Jean-Louis MONTEIRO wrote: Hi Jochen, Well summarized. And I think you figured out what the real problem is. We could work as in Incubator, isn't it? Having one big umbrella and real subprojects. What would be the difference to now? I understand Commons as a

Re: [DISCUSS] Mission Statement for Commons...

2013-10-07 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 7 Oct 2013, at 13:58, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.comwrote: What would be the difference to now? The difference can be *huge*, emotionally. For example, I felt quite at home at the webservices project when working in JaxMe

Re: [DISCUSS] Mission Statement for Commons...

2013-10-06 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 6 Oct 2013, at 20:57, Phil Steitz wrote: On 10/6/13 11:45 AM, James Carman wrote: Collections 4.x, nuff said Huh? Didn't we release a beta? We could say the same thing about math 4.0, pool/dbcp 2.0, etc. These things are in progress. They will get released. There is activity. I

Re: [DISCUSS] Mission Statement for Commons...

2013-10-06 Thread Christian Grobmeier
James, thank you. I believe Commons is in a bad shape. Look at Commons Collections. Before 4 years somebody said Guava is more modern, he his answer seems to be widely accepted. http://stackoverflow.com/a/167/690771 This guy said we have no generics. What did we do in the past 4 years?

Re: svn commit: r1528612 - /commons/sandbox/monitoring/trunk/reporting/src/main/java/org/apache/commons/monitoring/reporting/web/plugin/PluginRepository.java

2013-10-05 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On 5 Oct 2013, at 14:29, James Carman wrote: On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Benedikt Ritter benerit...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure I agree with all of your points. Yes, the sandbox is a place to try new ideas out. Does this mean certain quality criterions do not apply? I don't think so.

[OGNL] Make use of logging?

2013-09-03 Thread Christian Grobmeier
I found 11 uses of e.printStackTrace and think its pretty bad. Including OgnlException overwrites printStackTrace and writes to System.err for some reason. In addition there are a lot of System.out's, but those are all commented and seem to have served debugging purposes. I believe small libs

[OGNL] checkstyle for maven styled code...

2013-09-03 Thread Christian Grobmeier
I found this in ognl pom: plugin groupIdorg.apache.maven.plugins/groupId artifactIdmaven-checkstyle-plugin/artifactId version2.7/version configuration configLocationconfig/maven_checks.xml/configLocation

Re: [OGNL] A new release

2013-03-26 Thread Christian Grobmeier
now. Regards -- Łukasz + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ 2013/3/8 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:11 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 March 2013 06:49, Lukasz Lenart lukaszlen...@apache.org wrote: Hi, I was checking out what should

Re: [OGNL] A new release

2013-03-26 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Lukasz Lenart lukaszlen...@apache.org wrote: 2013/3/26 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com: +1, go for it. Now its time to see if our testcases are good. They are, I made a slight mistake and tests showed that :-) I also think we should test

Re: [OGNL] A new release

2013-03-26 Thread Christian Grobmeier
VisualizeMe: http://vizualize.me/maurizio.cucchiara?r=maurizio.cucchiara Maurizio Cucchiara On 26 March 2013 09:53, Lukasz Lenart lukaszlen...@apache.org wrote: 2013/3/26 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com: +1, go for it. Now its time to see if our testcases are good. They are, I made

Re: [Commons Wiki] Trivial Update of MarlaQuin by MarlaQuin

2013-03-20 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Should we move to the AdminGroups with this wiki too? I think yes On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Apache Wiki wikidi...@apache.org wrote: Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on Commons Wiki for change notification. The MarlaQuin page has been changed by

Re: svn commit: r1459020 - /commons/proper/csv/trunk/src/main/java/org/apache/commons/csv/CSVRecord.java

2013-03-20 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Benedikt Ritter brit...@apache.org wrote: +/** + * Returns an iterator over the values of this record. + * + * @return an iterator over the values of this record. + */ I had no better idea how to comment this. Any suggestions how to make

Re: [OT] Verifying releases Was: svn commit: r1452037 - /commons/proper/beanutils/trunk/src/test/java/org/apache/commons/beanutils/bugs/Jira422TestCase.java

2013-03-09 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 10:00 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 March 2013 00:39, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: I'm not sure I understand what the big deal is. Sebb vetoed a commit and identified exactly what needed to be changed for him to remove the veto. If the

Re: [OGNL] A new release

2013-03-07 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:11 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 March 2013 06:49, Lukasz Lenart lukaszlen...@apache.org wrote: Hi, I was checking out what should be solved before releasing a new version and in my opinion most of PMD [1] errors can be omitted, maybe These nested if

Re: [BeanUtils] Removing @author tags?

2013-03-06 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.com wrote: Strictly speaking, you do not need his permission AFAIK. IOW, don't bother sending ME an email to tell me you'll moving my @author to pom.xml ;) Out of interest, are you sure there is no permission needed? I am thinking

Re: [fileupload] drop JDK1.3 support, update to 1.5 and bump to 2.0.0

2013-03-05 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1... jdk1.3... On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org wrote: Just for the record: I don't intend to do a major rewrite ATM, just update and bugfix. best, -Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/ http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/

Re: [logging] Cleanup of trunk

2013-01-15 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Mark Thomas ma...@apache.org wrote: On 12/01/2013 19:29, Christian Grobmeier wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Mark Thomas ma...@apache.org wrote: On 12/01/2013 17:36, Christian Grobmeier wrote: Basically I am +1 on moving to newer JDKs. But in this case

Re: [logging] Cleanup of trunk

2013-01-15 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:43 PM, Thomas Neidhart thomas.neidh...@gmail.com wrote: I'm -1 on this change. I don't see any reason to do it. We don't need features from a more recent Java version in commons-logging. As others have said: most users of commons-logging are old and older apps. In

Re: svn commit: r1432688 - /commons/proper/logging/trunk/pom.xml

2013-01-15 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Dennis Lundberg denn...@apache.org wrote: On 2013-01-13 19:14, t...@apache.org wrote: Author: tn Date: Sun Jan 13 18:14:24 2013 New Revision: 1432688 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=1432688view=rev Log: Upgrade test dependencies: log4j 1.2.17,

Re: [logging] Cleanup of trunk

2013-01-12 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Thomas Neidhart thomas.neidh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I would like to do a similar cleanup as for email also for logging and aim for a 1.2 release in the coming weeks. The things I have in mind: * update to Java 5 * comply to default maven structure *

Re: [logging] Cleanup of trunk

2013-01-12 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Thomas Neidhart thomas.neidh...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/12/2013 05:37 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Thomas Neidhart thomas.neidh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I would like to do a similar cleanup as for email also for logging

Re: [OGNL] A new release

2013-01-07 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Lukasz Lenart lukaszlen...@apache.org wrote: Another issue, I've noticed that the parent is defined as 28-SNAPSHOT, should it be simple 27 - the latest released version? Not sure about the differences of these 2, but I think we cannot release a stable version

Re: [OGNL] A new release

2013-01-07 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Do you know how to exclude some files/directories from the rat-plugin scan ? Right now it includes .idea folder in the scan which produces mass of errors :\ have not tried yet, but it supports an exclude option in the configuration: http://creadur.apache.org/rat/apache-rat-plugin/rat-mojo.html

We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Christian Grobmeier
starting from 1. January. Just saw a final reminder from Infra. Commons is surely a LOT of work. I would like to suggest we act immediately. In other terms: let us request a commons-test cms where we can try things out and prepare the new sites. As Ralph Goers has already mentioned, we have a

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.com wrote: Bah, let's pick one component and start there and skip a test site. But then there is only one component visible under the new commons.a.o? Gary On Dec 10, 2012, at 3:08, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Christian Grobmeier
a switch from commons.apache.org to the new site Gary On Dec 10, 2012, at 7:13, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.com wrote: Bah, let's pick one component and start there and skip a test site

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Christian Grobmeier
and will not change for some time to come. Phil Ralph On Dec 10, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.com wrote: Well, we have to start somewhere. This is going to be a lot of work, we have many components, unless

Re: We will not be able to update our websites...

2012-12-10 Thread Christian Grobmeier
moved to svn pub-sub. Sorry if above is naive. The intent is to avoid a huge amount of fiddling in a short period of time when quite a few component sites have not changed and will not change for some time to come. Phil Ralph On Dec 10, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote

Re: [all] moving to svnpubsub or CMS?

2012-11-15 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: On Nov 14, 2012, at 2:03 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Olivier Lamy ol...@apache.org wrote: 2012/11/14 Thomas Vandahl t...@apache.org: On 14.11.2012 08:40, Luc Maisonobe wrote: Please,

Re: [math] apachecon

2012-09-19 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Hi, I am there too! (referring to ApacheCon EU) Cheers On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Thomas Neidhart thomas.neidh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, does anybody plan to go to ApacheCon 2012? Would be nice to meet each other there. Thomas

Re: [site] yet another proposal on how to restyle the commons site

2012-08-31 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Hi, and just to say it clearly: i am very much +1 to finally add this skin. Cheers Christian On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org wrote: Hi again, Thanks to Christian Grobmeier, we also added the responsive bootstrap css. I re-uploaded the site, can you

Re: [site] yet another proposal on how to restyle the commons site

2012-08-30 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Luc Maisonobe luc.maison...@free.fr wrote: Le 30/08/2012 15:52, Simone Tripodi a écrit : Hi all guys, new Apache Maven Fluido Skin is gonna be released soon, I started experimenting locally how the _main_ commons site would look alike if the new skin would be

Re: [all] NSWC and Apache license

2012-08-08 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Sébastien Brisard sebastien.bris...@m4x.org wrote: Does that mean that porting it into Commons-Math is possible (license-wise?). I would think it does… That seems explicitly restrictive to me. e.g. If I don't claim to be in the general scientific community,

Re: [IMAGING]/[SANSELAN] JIRA error

2012-06-27 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:50 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 June 2012 22:50, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: Some new SANSELAN JIRAs have just been raised, however the JIRA was renamed to IMAGING. Looks like something is wrong with JIRA; I'll raise an Infra issue.

Re: which artifact repository to get commons-io from?

2012-06-20 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 6:25 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 June 2012 16:30, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:59 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 June 2012 13:05, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:56

Re: which artifact repository to get commons-io from?

2012-06-20 Thread Christian Grobmeier
However, as already mentioned on the respository mailing list, the .asc has been restored to the staging directory, so it should now be possible to release the full set of files. I saw the mail from infra, but he mentioned the checksum is not correct or something like that. Or am I wrong? we

Re: which artifact repository to get commons-io from?

2012-06-19 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Jochen Wiedmann jochen.wiedm...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.com wrote: Commons-IO 2.4 has not made it to a Maven repo yet. I am

Re: which artifact repository to get commons-io from?

2012-06-19 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:59 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 June 2012 13:05, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Jochen Wiedmann jochen.wiedm...@gmail.comwrote

Re: [ognl] Old issues....

2012-06-18 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Łukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com wrote: Finally, the old issues from OpenSymphony were imported :-) You are a true hero and i am impressed by your patience! Thank you so much for following this issue for so long time. I would have done a simple copy,

Re: [ALL] Using a Tool Like Sonar...

2012-06-09 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.com wrote: If sonar for snapshots on a.a.o replaces POM requested reports instead of complementing them, you loose the ability to analyze before committing, surely something we do not want. you can use: mvn sonar:sonar before you

Re: [classscan] logging

2012-06-03 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.com wrote: I would rather we eat our own dog food with log4j or commons logging. As classscan is in sandbox... I think it would help the logging team if we would try log4j 2.0 alpha. It is a great framework already and

Re: [VOTE] Release Compress 1.4.1 based on RC1

2012-05-22 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1 On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Stefan Bodewig bode...@apache.org wrote: Hi all, I'd like to release Compress 1.4.1. Compress 1.4.1 RC1 is available for review here:    http://people.apache.org/~bodewig/cc/  Maven artifacts are here:    

Re: Git support?

2012-05-20 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 12:43 AM, James Carman ja...@carmanconsulting.com wrote: Perhaps classscan?  :) makes perfect sense to me :-) On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On May 19, 2012 10:13 PM, Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.com wrote: A one

Re: Git support?

2012-05-19 Thread Christian Grobmeier
idea ? Luc Thanks, Jochen On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Its still in development. I have asked to switch to git with log4php before a few weeks and the answer was it is possible, if one of us gets involved in the git

Re: Git support?

2012-05-16 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Its still in development. I have asked to switch to git with log4php before a few weeks and the answer was it is possible, if one of us gets involved in the git@apache project. I assume it is the the here. Its definitely not GA at the moment. On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Jochen Wiedmann

Re: [ALL] BeanShell incubation?

2012-04-02 Thread Christian Grobmeier
I read the thread and thought BeanShell would fit to Commons... I think there are only a few committers. OGNL is in the same vein too. I would oppose if the BS developers are not willing to continue the project here. This is not very likely the case here Cheers, Christian On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at

Re: [compress] Releasing 1.4

2012-04-01 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Stefan Bodewig bode...@apache.org wrote: On 2012-03-31, Christian Grobmeier wrote: Before ages when I wrote the ChangeSet stuff I have marked them as experimental. Have not heard any complains yet... we should discuss if we remove that label or if need some

Re: [compress] Releasing 1.4

2012-03-31 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1 Before ages when I wrote the ChangeSet stuff I have marked them as experimental. Have not heard any complains yet... we should discuss if we remove that label or if need some more tweaks there. Probably after 1.4? On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Stefan Bodewig bode...@apache.org wrote: Hi

Re: [io] Moving to Java 6 for version 2.3

2012-03-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1 on the move to java 6 we should consider to go to 3.0... its a breaking change... but i leave it up to you On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Paul Libbrecht p...@hoplahup.net wrote: Will the resulting jars still

Re: [io] Moving to Java 6 for version 2.3

2012-03-29 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Hi, On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 1:53 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrot However, a compatibility break would require a major version bump. if my lib does drop support for a specific jdk, isn't that a compatibility break? My argument is it is no longer compatible with jdk5. However, please do not

Re: [ognl] Old issues....

2012-03-22 Thread Christian Grobmeier
2012/3/22 Łukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com: 2012/3/21 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com: I don't know, maybe this is against ASF law or so ... oh... good question. But maybe copy/paste can be seen as some kind of manual export plugin? :-) and it'll take some time to manually

Re: [ognl] Old issues....

2012-03-21 Thread Christian Grobmeier
some time 2012/1/19 Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com: Thanks for all the work Lukasz, I appreciate it!! 2012/1/19 Łukasz Lenart lukasz.len...@googlemail.com: 2012/1/18 Jochen Wiedmann jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com: As I do see that ticket, it is currently properly assigned

Re: svn commit: r1302199 - in /commons/sandbox/graph/branches/exporters-with-mappers/src: main/java/org/apache/commons/graph/ main/java/org/apache/commons/graph/export/ test/java/org/apache/commons/gr

2012-03-18 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org wrote: wrong code style anyway :P Wow, I have waited for this a long time...! Welcome to the good side of bracket-life ;-) congrats! -Simo http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/

Re: [Math] Release mini-howto

2012-03-18 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Gary Gregory garydgreg...@gmail.com wrote: That's what the wiki is for no? You could make a page for [math] like http://wiki.apache.org/commons/UsingNexus Not to forget the grandfather of release guides: http://commons.apache.org/releases/release.html Cheers

Re: [Math] Release mini-howto

2012-03-18 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Gilles Sadowski gil...@harfang.homelinux.org wrote: Not to forget the grandfather of release guides: http://commons.apache.org/releases/release.html I've just had a brief look at that one; I did not know it existed... not very well linked imho... if it is

[lang] static methods with final keyword

2012-03-16 Thread Christian Grobmeier
In langs StringEscapeUtils are some static methods marked with final... it makes no sense to me to do that. I would like to remove the final keywords. Any objections? not sure if this breaks bc (cannot imagine) Cheers -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de

Re: [csv] Performance comparison

2012-03-14 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: I don't think we should be trying to recode JDK classes. If the implementations suck, why not? +1 -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de

Re: [ALL] Commons Parent reports

2012-03-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1 on the mentioned plugins, except: -1 on checkstyle. I dont see a benefit in making checkstyle default. If somebody wants to use that tool, he can. What checkstyle-style would be the default? Sun conventions or maven style? I am for sun, Simone is for maven (i guess). Probably there is another

Re: [ALL] Commons Parent reports

2012-03-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Gilles Sadowski gil...@harfang.homelinux.org wrote: Hi. [...] The tools are there, but you have to tell people that they _must_ use them. Commons has already enough rules and process. As long as the releases are have clean code I wouldn't be too anal

Re: [ALL] Commons Parent reports

2012-03-13 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Gilles Sadowski gil...@harfang.homelinux.org wrote: And thats what I meant with: as long as we don't have a common codestyle, i does not make much sense to have a common checkstyle configuration. I thought that the question was whether to generate a CheckStyle

Re: [csv] Serializable on CSVFormat

2012-03-12 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:30 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 March 2012 16:25, James Carman jcar...@carmanconsulting.com wrote: We could say we support short-term storage (or transmission-only) only when it comes to serialization. That would help eliminate some of the burden Perhaps,

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