Re: [RDA-L] Habilitation theses

Parteiensystem Malaysias / Andreas Ufen. 500 $a The author's Habilitationsschrift--Universität Hamburg, 2010. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions and Discovery Enhancement MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description

Re: [RDA-L] The meaning of 372 Field of Activity

I should add--I had no idea that Stevens and Einstein were born and died the same year until after I wrote this email. And I picked those two names more or less randomly. Weird. b Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions and Discovery Enhancement MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From

Re: [RDA-L] The meaning of 372 Field of Activity

Someone pointed out to me off-list that $y 20th century cannot be directly applied to headings for classes of persons. My apology for the error. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions and Discovery Enhancement MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description

Re: [RDA-L] Cost of Retrospective Conversion for Legacy Data (Was RDA Toolkit Price Change)

out there that no one will ever have time and/or money to update them manually. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions and Discovery Enhancement MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access

Re: [RDA-L] The meaning of 372 Field of Activity

If you really need a salve for your conscience after consigning some poor law professor to the realm of genocidal maniacs you could use the 680 Public general note: 680 ## $a So-and-so is a professor of law specializing in the adjudication of war crimes and genocide. e.g. Benjamin Abrahamse

Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator

Moore ; activists appendix by August Freirich. With the exception of the first-named author, there are no established RDA terms for their specific roles. I suppose author is closest, but all of them could more accurately be described as contributors, in my opinion. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging

Re: [RDA-L] Question about multiple authors on an OCLC record

for the original edition is more indicative of principal responsibility. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions and Discovery Enhancement MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca

Re: [RDA-L] Titles of nobility

to me. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions and Discovery Enhancement MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Mary Mastraccio Sent

[RDA-L] Punctuation question--quoted notes

and in the appendices.) Thank you, Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions and Discovery Enhancement MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

Re: [RDA-L] Punctuation question--quoted notes

Thank you, that was exactly what I was looking for. Best, Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions and Discovery Enhancement MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of M

Re: [RDA-L] Punctuation question--quoted notes

I never realized that. I guess I'm a bit parochial when it comes to punctuation! Thanks, Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions and Discovery Enhancement MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L

Re: [RDA-L] Uniform titles in RDA

Well, it's technically correct inasmuch as the MARC definition allows the second indicator to be used to account for nonfiling characters. But I have to say I've never seen it actually used. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions and Discovery Enhancement MIT Libraries

Re: [RDA-L] Content/Media/Carrier Types - Video Games

that covers all video or computer games is computer program. But all of this just underscores my point that there should be RDA content terms for interactive content as well as games (be they tangible or digital). --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise

Re: [RDA-L] Citing an unnumbered page

to commemorate XYZ--Page following title page. 500 $a Published to commemorate XYZ--Preliminary text. 500 $a Published to commemorate XYZ. Unnumbered page 2 looks weird to me, personally. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253

Re: [RDA-L] Names of conferences as title proper, other title information or statement of responsiblity

I meant, of course, Bibliotheken not Biblitheken. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf

Re: [RDA-L] RDA 336-338 fields and books with accompanying media

accompanying material 337 ǂa unmediated ǂb n ǂ2 rdamedia 337 ǂa video ǂb v ǂ2 rdamedia ǂ3 accompanying material 338 ǂa volume ǂb nc ǂ2 rdacarrier 338 ǂa videodisc ǂb vd ǂ2 rdacarrier ǂ3 accompanying material --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems

Re: [RDA-L] approzimately in access points

I agree that the heading -approximately 250 borders on incoherence. died circa 250 is much less ambiguous. Do users really not know what ca. or circa means? It's in both Webster's and the OED. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT

Re: [RDA-L] approzimately in access points

If circa is too Latinate--even though, to reiterate, it is a perfectly good English word--then why not just around (which is essentially what circa means)? Agatha, Saint, died around 250. Tilting at RDA windmills, Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata

Re: [RDA-L] 264 question

If you know it's been self-published by the author, wouldn't it be ok to put the author's name in the $b? (In brackets, I suppose, as there's no publication statement on the sources of information.) 264 x1 $a [United States] : $b [John Q. Author], $c [2013] --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse

Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

shortcut to produce the (c) symbol is to hold down the ALT key and type 0169 (doesn't work with the numbers above the letters). b Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource

Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

Should have said: hold down the ALT key and type 0169 on the number pad . Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac

Re: [RDA-L] another (basic) 264 query

/bibliographic/bd264.html Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Karen Nelson Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5

Re: [RDA-L] SOR from copyright statement

)) so I think you can use it without brackets. Another route might be to take the name from verso t.p. and use RDA 2.4.1.7 clarification of role: [illustrated by] Sebastian Ciaffaglione --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries

Re: [RDA-L] Query about recording Copyright holder information

Just the date. The RDA element (see RDA 2.11) is Copyright date, not Copyright statement. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access

Re: [RDA-L] help with 264 for self-published work

form if the place of publication is not identified... etc., and likewise RDA 2.10.) And the date of manufacture will change as the years go by (remember, on-demand publications don't have print runs, they are one-off's) so I would probably leave it out. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging

Re: [RDA-L] Size of PDF files

Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of John Hostage Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:27 AM To: RDA-L

[RDA-L] Non-arabic, non-roman numerals

numerals, not our so-called Arabic numerals), Hebrew, Devanagari, etc. Thanks, Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

Re: [RDA-L] Relator term

the terminology that is most important to them. My .02, Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 ___

Re: [RDA-L] Relationship designator for a conference

with a better relationship term than that, as it is not very intuitive and I doubt a user would ever think of a conference as the author of a work. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description

[RDA-L] FW: NACO question--qualifying conference names

I sent this email to the pcc list almost three hours ago and it hasn't distributed. Maybe it got sequestered?? Anyways, if anyone has a good answer to my question below I'd appreciate it. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT

Re: [RDA-L] Readability

this See: Ranganathan's 5 Laws of Library Science, #4: Save the time of the user. :) --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L

Re: [RDA-L] Periods in titles

to be recorded as a different element and omitted. Then we can add the comma's, under the rubric Add punctuation, as necessary, for clarity. So I would imagine most catalogers would transcribe this as: Wollen, wissen, können : Gestaltung attraktiver Arbeitsplätze ... --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse

Re: [RDA-L] Periods in titles

a conflict with ISBD punctuation, but that is largely after-the-fact. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource

Re: [RDA-L] cm period/no period and sample records

/wiki/Smoot). --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall Sent: Thursday, April 25

[RDA-L] Copyright and similar regimes

-in for publication date when such was not available. But RDA treats copyright as a separate data element, which suggests, to me at least, that we should be recording whatever rights statements we find, not just those couched as copyright. Any thoughts? --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator

Re: [RDA-L] Initials in names of persons

This practice almost certainly predates computer filing. In A.L.A. rules for filing cataloging cards (Chicago: ALA, 1942), p. 19, we see the example: Brown, A. G. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters no. 19: Library Catalogs and Information Architecture

But one factor that brings the data together is the new library cataloging rule set, Resource Description Framework (RDF) This mistake was bound to happen eventually. I've always wondered if RDA was named RDA to catch some of the reflected glory of RDF. --b Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging

Re: [RDA-L] RDA CIP

I agree that CIP shouldn't be considered a source of information. (Though I imagine all of us have, in a pinch, grabbed the ISBN from CIP at one time or another.) Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original

Re: [RDA-L] Place names in 370

, because that's what RDA 16.2.2.4 says to do) instead of just copying the established NACO form as is. Seems to go against the grain of preferring controlled vocabulary for 3xx fields in authorities. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT

Re: [RDA-L] Place names in 370

to me that we are required to make the 370 values identical to 1xx geographic qualifiers, instead of just selecting the unambiguous, fully-qualified form from a controlled vodcabulary. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253

Re: [RDA-L] Relationships and comic books/graphic novels

producer of comics and graphic novels that our users are interested in is, of course, Japan. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L

[RDA-L] Relationships and comic books/graphic novels

be considered an illustrator. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

Re: [RDA-L] relationship designator and in cooperation with

pipeline? --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Deborah Fritz Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10

[RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

. by ... Is simply transcribing what I see enough, or should the / be replaced with = ? Mit Beiträgen von = With contributions by ... ; hg. von = ed. by Thanks, Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

[and eighty-eight others] = with contributions by Fernando Aguiar [and eighty-eight others] ?? --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Heidrun Wiesenmüller Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:07 PM

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

title proper, only parallel statements of responsibility.) So, what's going on here?? --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L

Re: [RDA-L] 2.4.3.3 Parallel statements of responsibility

and images. We can always rely on poets and artists to muck up our neat categorizations of the world, can't we.) --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description

Re: [RDA-L] New format reproductions and RDA

534 or 7xx is better than nothing but I continue to think the old way (using 533 for the reproduction information, 260--now 264, for the publication information of the original) puts the bibliographical information that users are interested in where they are most likely to look. In my

Re: [RDA-L] RDA and the Title Proper

mean what follows is a subtitle is the type of intellectual labor catalogers do that, (a) provides an added value to the user; and (b) is not easily accomplished through automation. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253

[RDA-L] Im Zweifelsfall

the ones with the actual source of information in front of them. (If the cataloger does find themselves im Zweifelsfall, of course, it would also be a good idea to provide added-title access to both parts of the title with a 246:30.) Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions

Re: [RDA-L] Corrected DVD sample

carrier type would still be videodisc.) b Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Pam Withrow Sent

Re: [RDA-L] eBooks Playaways

you do is flip a switch and watch it... --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca

Re: [RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

is not. Since these cues are not available in a surrogate, the cataloger should be able (and encouraged) to use his or her editorial judgment. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description

[RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

. Whidden? To me at least the former looks like a mix of individuals and corporate bodies. And that is what 2.4.1.4 without the optional omission (which, unfortunately, LC and PCC don't seem to like) leads to. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata

Re: [RDA-L] S-o-R/RDA 2.4.1.4

practices include some discussion and examples of how to treat this. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

it really said, believe it or not. It does not necessarily mean, I know what this should say better than the author does. Which is sometimes true (in the case of typos) and sometimes not (in the case of rap artists' names, neologisms, puns, etc.) --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

years ago. The mandate is, Take what you see and any situation in which the cataloger might be expected or allowed to use their own knowledge and interpretive skills to provide a more useful transcription of a title page is deprecated. b Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

I still don't understand why the JSC saw fit to get rid of the device, [sic] ,for bringing gattention to known typos or other minor mistakes in the title. I think most users understand what it means, even the ones who don't know Latin. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator

Re: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles

the effort in terms of better user outcomes? Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Gene Fieg Sent

[RDA-L] Sic 'em! (was RE: [RDA-L] Typos in Titles)

is to say while [sic] can be misused by overfussy catalogers, that in itself does not warrant getting rid of the practice altogether. b Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access

[RDA-L] Question re: Reporting errors in the toolkit

I just want to double check that this is the appopriate place to report any errors we find in the RDA toolkit: http://www.rdatoolkit.org/support/open.php? The dropdown box Help topic does not seem to have an option for Report error or something similar. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging

Re: [RDA-L] Relators for contributors and consultants

level term. For a lark I took all of the Appendix I relationship terms, mapped out their relationships to each other, and put them into a spreadsheet: bit.ly/Ymw4dt --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

Re: [RDA-L] Statement of responsibility naming more than three persons etc.

It occurs to me that one of the advantages of the suggested [and n authors, including Joe and Bob] route, is that it would be fairly painless for institutions who don't care about Joe and Bob to rephrase the 245 $c in their local copy. Certainly easier than removing multiple [and] statements

Re: [RDA-L] Statement of responsibility naming more than three persons etc.

. The heading for instruction 2.4.1.4 is Recording statements of responsibility but the first sentence in the instruction is, Transcribe a statement of responsibility. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource

Re: [RDA-L] Statement of responsibility naming more than three persons etc.

don't know. :) b Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Kevin M Randall

Re: [RDA-L] Statement of responsibility naming more than three persons etc.

, February 07, 2013 12:33 PM To: RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Statement of responsibility naming more than three persons etc. Benjamin A Abrahamse wrote: If we were expected to transcribe the statement of responsibility, not just record it, the use of the mark of omission would

Re: [RDA-L] Statement of responsibility naming more than three persons etc.

I'm relieved to hear Dr Tillett say that this is allowed under RDA. Sometime you run across some truly gargantuan s-o-r's and sadly need to pick and choose whom to record. That said, I agree with Heidrun that neither the rules, as they currently exist in the Toolkit, nor the LC/PCC CPS,

Re: [RDA-L] RDA dtst t + a 260/264 muse on training question

of rights by creators, etc., may determine what someone can do with the material, and the conditions under which agencies may make material available to the public) more than the find and identify functions. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT

Re: [RDA-L] Carrier type Flipchart

I think it refers to a type of childrens' (or educational) resource that is published and intended to be used in the classroom. E.g.: http://www.staples.com/Calendar-Time-Sing-Along-Flip-Chart-and-CD/product_753900?cid=PS:GooglePLAs:753900KPID=753900 Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator

Re: [RDA-L] RDA dtst t + a 260/264 muse on training question

(which, whatever else it is, is closer to machine actionable data than our MARC records) the © symbol is not considered part of the data. (See: http://dublincore.org/documents/library-application-profile/index.shtml#DateCopyrighted) Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions

Re: [RDA-L] Multiple electronic manifestations (was RE: [RDA-L] The purpose of standards)

of the concept of related manifestations with respect to e-resources. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L

[RDA-L] Typo in the Toolkit

Does anyone know who to contact about a typo in the RDA Toolkit? The following example under 6.2.3.5: ةليلو ةليل فل أ ةليلو ةليل فلأ بات English language form recorded as preferred title: Arabian nights The Arabic is backwards; it should be: اللف ليلة ولىلة etc. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging

[RDA-L] Brackets for unnumbered pages in notes?

(unnumbered page 67-page 69). ??? Thanks, --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

Re: [RDA-L] Brackets for unnumbered pages in notes?

You were following my mistake, which I don't (or at least I hope I don't) normally make in catalog records. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access

Re: [RDA-L] Brackets for unnumbered pages in notes?

Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf Of Gene Fieg Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 4:00 PM To: RDA-L

[RDA-L] Quick question re: abridgements in RDA

Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

[RDA-L] Folded unnumbered leaves, or Unnumbered folded leaves?

to be consistent. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137`

Re: [RDA-L] Hardback paperback, and their ISBN

.) ISBN 0-387-08266-2 (U.S.) ISBN 3-540-08266-2 (Germany) ISBN 0-684-14258-9 (bound) ISBN 0-684-14257-0 (pbk.) So I think you are ok to continue to record (pbk.) etc. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA

program but I don't think most users think of it that way. = Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca] On Behalf

Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA

be answered, for computer games or otherwise, by the RDA content/media/carrier vocabulary.) --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource

Re: [RDA-L] Additional work required by RDA

computer disc. The only way I've figured out to indicate DVD vs Blu-Ray or CD-ROM vs DVD-ROM is with a note. In any case this is an interesting discussion, so thank you. ==Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

Re: [RDA-L] Date of publication not identified DtSt, Dates

When they differ, and the difference matters for retrieval, we do. Uniform titles (or, controlled access points for works and expressions). Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access

[RDA-L] 264 and local distributors

in North America This is not usually how materials specified is used but the current field definition seems to accommodate multiple, successive distributors with the first indicator, but not multiple synchronous distributors. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata

Re: [RDA-L] Date of publication not identified DtSt, Dates

I would point out that this is not what I'm seeing in OCLC. Most RDA records now seem to have Date status set to t (Publication date and copyright date) and both date fields filled out, accordingly. Whether there is a difference between pub. date and copyright date, or not. --Ben Benjamin

Re: [RDA-L] Date of publication not identified DtSt, Dates

, not just in using them to identify books. I've certainly had my share of questions about the utility of some decisions that went into RDA, and its implementation; but for me at least this isn't one of them. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems

Re: [RDA-L] RDA promoting the work entity?

be sufficient just to identify a category of expression. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac

[RDA-L] Question about relationship terms for contributors

, would I have to use writer of added commentary (which is the closest fit, I think, though not quite the same) or could I use writer of preface, which is not on the list? Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

Re: [RDA-L] Question about relationship terms for contributors

Thanks for the replies and suggestions. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac

Re: [RDA-L] Question about relationship terms for contributors

. That would be perfectly adequate in this situation. (Though as Bob Maxwell points out I could borrow that from the MARC relators list.) Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource

Re: [RDA-L] Question about relationship terms for contributors

(it seems to me) is more accurate, because it's a more general descriptor, than picking something from the list that is close but not quite. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access

Re: [RDA-L] 370 Russia, Federation ?

For what it's worth this is why I'm not in favor the recommended practice of modifying the appearance of NAF controlled vocabulary items for 370 in case they get used as a qualifier. It blurs the distinction between a string and a thing. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator

Re: [RDA-L] 370 Russia, Federation ?

Adam, You're right about that (16.2.2.4), and I was wrong. But I wish there were a Lubetzky around to ask a certain question about that rule. --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message

[RDA-L] Question about example in RDA 18.5.1.3

, and composer for Million dollar baby Can someone please explain why composer is qualified by expression? If he composed the music for the film, wouldn't he be considered composer of the work, not the expression? Thanks, Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise

Re: [RDA-L] Question about example in RDA 18.5.1.3

I guess my follow-up question would be: are users really going to get that, in a way that would be useful to them? Considering it flummoxed a room full of catalogers. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

Re: [RDA-L] Question about example in RDA 18.5.1.3

Thanks for the answer. We'll keep trying to figure this out. :) b Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L

Re: [RDA-L] Question about example in RDA 18.5.1.3

, as clearly you're correct. Just trying to understand how it's supposed to work. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac

Re: [RDA-L] Question about example in RDA 18.5.1.3

Lots to think about! Thanks everyone, --Ben Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137 -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca

Re: [RDA-L] Cataloging Matters No. 16

sorted out would be a time consuming task--but it could provide a starting point. Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata and Enterprise Systems MIT Libraries 617-253-7137

[RDA-L] Regarding copyright dates for multivolume publications

I have found no guidance on this in RDA (not saying it's not in there, but searching for copyright or copyright date does not bring it up); so which is preferable? 264:x4:$c (c)1994-2010 or 264:x4:$c (c)1994-(c)2010 Benjamin Abrahamse Cataloging Coordinator Acquisitions, Metadata

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