Re: [delicious-discuss] RSS Feeds
Because the feeds are about posts and not URLs -- different people are posting the same item. There's good reasons to have both, I think. It'd be a bit of work but we could change it so that items would show up the first time they are posted. -j -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us On Mon, 2 May 2005, Sam Rowe wrote: I've been lurking on the list for a while, hoping that someone else would ask this, but no luck! Is there any plan to change the way del.icio.us delivers RSS feeds with regard to duplicate entries? Before I really knew what del.icio.us was, I subscribed to /rss/tag/php and it wasn't long before I unsubscribed because there were *so* many duplicate entries. Often when browsing the HTML version of del.icio.us, I'll notice two or three duplicates on the same page! They'll have the same stats and the same link, and sometimes they'll even have the same title. Is this the desired behavior? If so, why? One might argue that if the title is different, it should re-appear, but I'd disagree. If I'm subscribing to an RSS feed about a tag, it's to discover interesting links related to that tag. I can only discover a link once. After that, I've either bookmarked it, or it's useless to me. Am I way off base, or not seeing the value, or something? advTHANKSance, Sam ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] RSS Feeds
If people have come to expect the other method, you could offer a clean RSS or something... I'm not trying to take away anyone's expected behavior. I suppose. This would be easier to add to the RSS than the HTML UI. I'm missing the value of posts vs URLs. Can you explain it to me? Different users use different tags. The interface is post-centric, not URL-centric. Different expectations, etc. The only place this is not true currently is on /popular -j ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] popular
(did I announce this already? i am losing my mind.) You can filter /popular to show items that have shown up in the last day or so only: http://del.icio.us/popular/?new I also changed the biases so that popular sites like slashdot don't show up anymore. -j -j -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] daily blog posting (in your del settings under bundles)
it takes your day's items and posts them to your blog via xml-rpc. it's horrid. someone will rewrite it soon. -j -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us On Tue, 3 May 2005, Scott Villarosa wrote: What is this feature and how can I use it? Sorry if I missed an old post or something. http://del.icio.us/settings/USERNAME/daily == Scott Villarosa http://s90215429.onlinehome.us/sjvilla79/blog/ === Lortie feu faccumm loreetuercin et lor sequi blandiam. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] new things today
Should I have the first item in the list be Bundles - bundlename - tagnames? -j -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us On Mon, 2 May 2005, Jake Donham wrote: Jake Donham [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now that I have this feature I see that it would be more useful if Firefox would display the menu as more than one column instead of a single scrolling column. I wonder if this is possible. I just discovered that if you type a character when a bookmark menu (or any other Firefox menu, it appears) is open, it will jump to the first item starting with that character, and if that is the only item starting with that character, it will select the item. That makes it less unpleasant to have one scrolling column. Jake -- I would prefer to be spared the overpowering number of particulars. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] daily blog posting (in your del settings under bundles)
I dunno. I asked Matt Haughey, and he asked Dave Bowman, and he said that was the right way to do it for optimal cssability. But what do I know? -j -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us On Tue, 3 May 2005, Jennifer wrote: I love this! It *does* output some extremely strange code, however. Is there a way to customize this, or will that be part of the pending rewrite? In the meantime, I'll find creative things to do with CSS to make do. Joshua Schachter wrote: it takes your day's items and posts them to your blog via xml-rpc. it's horrid. someone will rewrite it soon. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Copy link on /popular page
Me too. I don't post unless I see it and actually think it's worth doing. Originally, delicious was supposed to track the source of a copy (maybe src=userid is still in there?) but it just doesn't seem all that important... -j ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Search question and RSS
You need to set your page's encoding to UTF-8. Interesting idea with the search. -j On Sun, 8 May 2005, Marcelo Wolfgang wrote: Hi, I'm using a particular tag to tag some bookmarks and using it's RSS to display the latest 5 links in my blog ( about 50 hits per day, I'll implement cache soon, sorry till I do that ). I was willing to add a search within that special tag so the users can search the old links, and if the search return an RSS it's easier to parse than the html page. That's was the reason of my questions :) I'm having another problem, the RSS I'm pulling contains latin charcters, and I having some problems with te encoding, with letters like á é, etc appearing as giberish on my page, do you have any advice ? TIA Grillo On 5/8/05, Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, unfortunately we're just using a crappy fulltext search thing for now. I'll be adding better search support when we have an entire machine to run search on. There's no way to get a search term as an RSS now. Is this very important? Hi, first time posting here .. sorry if I break anything ;) I've tried a search this evening in del.icio.us using the 'tag:grillo.sidebar theterm, hoping that the search will only search theterm inside the bookmarks that I had tagged as grillo.sidebar, but it displayed results which was not tagged as grillo.sidebar. Is this expected ? Also, is it possible to a serch return be an rss ? TIA Grillo ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] proposing tagged by others tags: .... at the post url page
This is in the experimental post interface. -j -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us On Wed, 11 May 2005, Marcell Mars wrote: as subject said i would like to see on post page just below tags bar tags by other users which already posted that url to del.icio.us sorted by most used to less used... for me even just first three would be really interesting. that way one who wants to have her categories more syncronized with the community choises could do that. the others could ignore that line of course. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] tags in /api/posts/all result not in UTF-8
I've encountered this problem as well in Japanese and it is infuriating. One thing you could do is to export your posts by day, instead. If you export by day, the tags are saved correctly in UTF-8. This is bizarre. Both objects use the exact same rendering code. I don't know how this could be happening. Argh. BTW, I can't search in Japanese either from IE 6.0 (I don't know about the other browsers). When will that be fixed? The backend for searching is horrible. I hope to have it replaced soon. -j ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] stats numbers figures
This is my first post to the list so apologies if its on a FAQ or easy to find elsewhere but i have googled and dug for quite a while and couldn't find it Are there any publicly available stats, numbers for de.lici.ous ? number of links uploaded per day number of active contributors unique users etc... I've seen some analysis around types of tags/distribution and obviously the zeitgeist stuff built in around the links but nothing like that. Its a great service btw. Thanks Joshua. I think there are ~ 100k users. I don't usually check the other stats. -j ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] the new servers
I took a camera to the new server rack today: http://flickr.com/photos/joshu/sets/375064/ The current machines are at: http://flickr.com/photos/joshu/15581960/in/set-375064/ Since finally the new servers are all up, I can begin the painful ordeal of testing the software on the new machines. -j -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] User interface-less posting?
I'm not sure that makes sense. The API and the posting interface are completely separate. A POST to the API function should just add the item. -j On Fri, 27 May 2005, kinrowan wrote: I'm using a Greasemonkey script to automate posting to del.icio.us from a specific page. I'd like to set the appropriate fields in the following api function and have the api post the link to del.icio.us without my (the human) having to interact with the api - I currently pop open an new window to the /new interface and am setting everything (except tags and datetime, and those will come soon) but I can see no way to get del.icio.us to save the entry without pressing the save button. Am I missing something? Alternatively, Joshua, I asked you this in a private email, but I'm sure you get a ton of those. Is this something you have planned, or is it even possible? function: http://del.icio.us/api/posts/add? url= url for post description= description for post extended= extended for post tags= space-delimited list of tags dt= datestamp for post, format CCYY-MM-DDThh:mm:ssZ makes a post to delicious. Thanks; cori ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Is it okay to have two del.icio.us accounts?
I don't think it's a big deal if you have two different accounts, but it's probably easier to have it all under one account plus your own blog items tagged as blog or something. -j On Fri, 27 May 2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just started playing with del.icio.us (after having admired but not really understood it for some time), and it occurs to me that it might be cool to have two different accounts; say one for my personal links, and another one intended for more public consumption on my weblog (I'm thinking, for instance, that del.icio.us might make a good enabler for a tag system for the weblog). I want to check, though, and make sure that none of these things is considered abusive. So: - Is it okay for one person to have more than one del.icio.us account? - Is it okay to have a del.icio.us account that's only used to bookmark and assign tags to entries from one's own weblog? For instance? (Whether doing this via two separate accounts is the best way to do this or not is another question that I'm still thinking about. But I want to check to make sure it's okay before I waste too much time thinking about whether it's technically attractive...) Tx much, DC http://www.davidchess.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Feature request: Tag myself?
Yeah, but I'd like to make it a bit more explicit; people seem to tag themselves and others quite a bit. And as others have suggested this might make an interesting way to find people. -j -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Clay Shirky wrote: I'm wondering if it would be possible to treat users as any other URI. Why not just do exactly that -- I just tagged http://del.icio.us/cshirky; with 'bald impoverished unreliable' -- what other kind of operation do you need. -c I'd like to be able to tag myself, male, husband, software_developer, java, photographer... This way I could provide meta data about me beyond the tags that I add to a social bookmarking system. I think this would provide some context to the URI tags that I am adding to the system. It would allow me to not only find URL's by tag that I am interested in but allow me to narrow the scope of that tag to users that are treating that tag in the same context. Thoughts? -matt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Feature request: Tag myself?
Seems like a good way to be a griefer. -j On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Michael Newton wrote: or, maybe all the tags that anyone has stuck on that user. i think this is a great feature idea. M. On 6/2/05, Matt MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gotcha makes sense. So maybe it'd be good have that as part of the user interface... when I go to a users homepage it displays the tags that the user has provided for that URI. -matt On 6/2/05, Clay Shirky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if it would be possible to treat users as any other URI. Why not just do exactly that -- I just tagged http://del.icio.us/cshirky; with 'bald impoverished unreliable' -- what other kind of operation do you need. -c I'd like to be able to tag myself, male, husband, software_developer, java, photographer... This way I could provide meta data about me beyond the tags that I add to a social bookmarking system. I think this would provide some context to the URI tags that I am adding to the system. It would allow me to not only find URL's by tag that I am interested in but allow me to narrow the scope of that tag to users that are treating that tag in the same context. Thoughts? -matt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] server move schedule and downtime
We will be moving to new servers on Sunday, June 5 starting at noon EST and hopefully completing by 4 PM. The site will be unavailable during this time. Updates will be posted to this blog during that time, and we will also have live status at #delicious on irc.del.icio.us. -j -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] woo hoo!
I'd like to echo the previous comments with a big 'w00t' to the new del.icio.us and team burrito. It's team del.icio.us; soon we'll get a mailserver of our own, even. I'd like to thank Tim for putting in a lot of the UI work. Hopefully he will explain the new features on the blog soon. -j ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] woo hoo!
What happened to the cooler tag-list from the old /new/myuser/ ? Any way to get that back? It ruled! Scroll to the bottom of the tag list, and see the options. -j ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Anyone else having problems deleting?
email me and not the list with support issues. -j -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Eric Hertlein wrote: I can't seem to delete things now. I was trying to clear up a few links that were old and outdated and they just seem to stick around. When I try to edit them again to redelete them I am not given that option. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] View existing tags bundles while editing bundles
Switch to the view by tag view instead of view by bundle -- of course this is still an evolving interface. -j -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Raymond Dubisky wrote: I don't know if this has been discussed yet, I'm new to the mailing list. But I think it would make editing bundles easier if you could view a list of tags while editing a bundle, and perhaps check boxes so you can add multiple to a bundle at once. Raymond Rayeh Dubisky [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://rayeh.sytes.net/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Problem? Tag bundles don't update with tag renaming in new interface 2005/06/06
It's under settings - tags. We're probably going to have an option to rename/delete stuff on each tag page. -j -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Luyi Chen wrote: Thanks for the official explanation about tag bundle. So this brings me another problem. What I originally thought of tag bundle is actrually tag combine. That means combine blog and blogs and blogging. You know what I mean. Is there any thing on the todo list to provide batch maintianence of tags. I didn't do deep study of the API. Maybe we have already had such power. AFAIK currently, we can only manually modify each url entry to do tag combine things. Luyi Chen On 6/7/05, Clifford Caoile [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems reasonable. I'll add it to the todo list. Thank you for recognizing the issue. It is a low priority for me, though. All I have to do is search for \ posts in the HTML (ah manual screen scrape) to see if there are orphaned tags. Did you know orphaned tags do not show 0 posts, only posts in the HTML? I am not sure if my understanding is right. I think the idea of tag bundle is to let you never change old tag names. Say you had tagname1 first, then you use tagname2 at a later time for the same concept. You don't have to change tagname1 to tagname2 to reflect the same idea. You just add them into one tag bundle. No, tag bundles are a visual grouping so that you do not have to assign hierarchical names. Still, Luyi Chen's idea is interesting. However, if tagname1 and tagname2 are semantically similar, why would you use two tags in the first place? Wouldn't it be better to use the tag that fits better? Actually, my issue is that I want to use telephone-new instead of telephoneNew. This is purely a convention issue. Thanks. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] media support
Bookmarked items in del.icio.us that end in one of a number of filetypes will now automatically get some system tags added. You can use these just like normal tags. The tag system:media:video includes - *.mp3 as system:filetype:mp3 - *.wav as system:filetype:wav The tag system:media:video includes - *.mpg as system:filetype:mpg - *.mpeg as system:filetype:mpeg - *.avi as system:filetype:avi - *.wmv as system:filetype:wmv - *.mov as system:filetype:mov Examples: - ALL music items on delicious http://del.icio.us/tag/system:media:audio - mp3s tagged as mashups http://del.icio.us/tag/system:filetype:mp3+mashups - ALL video items on delicious http://del.icio.us/tag/system:media:video RSS feeds that have one of those system tags added will automatically become a rss-with-enclosures file. Examples: - ALL music items on delicious as a podcast http://del.icio.us/rss/tag/system:media:audio - mp3s tagged as mashups as a podcast http://del.icio.us/rss/tag/system:filetype:mp3+mashups - ALL video items on delicious as a podcast http://del.icio.us/rss/tag/system:media:video (a nice client for this is ANT at http://www.antisnottv.net/) I also wrote a quick hack to show some recent mp3s at: http://del.icio.us/feeds/m3u/all.m3u ... I'll be extending the m3u/pls?/etc support for tags and users and so on later. In addition, the following types are recognized but I couldn't find any clever file formats to syndicate them with: The tag system:media:image includes: - *.jpg as system:filetype:jpg - *.jpeg as system:filetype:jpeg - *.gif as system:filetype:gif - *.png as system:filetype:png The tag system:media:document includes: - *.pdf as system:filetype:pdf - *.doc as system:filetype:doc -j -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Anonymous and Private posting
Privacy is on the todo list. The main impediment right now is that it would take about four hours of downtime to modify the site, and I am not anxious to bring down the site again so soon after I brought it down once before. Anonymous isn't going to happen, sorry. -j -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us On Sun, 12 Jun 2005, Raymond Dubisky wrote: I think it would be beneficial to allow users to post certain things anonymously, and to keep certain bookmarks private . Perhaps this could be done using tags named private or anonymous or something. When posting privately, it should only allow the user who posted it to see it, and then only when logged in. This would allow users to bookmark pages that they don't want the rest of the world seeing. Like confidential documents that for some reason or another don't have a password on them. Posting anonymously would still allow it to be shown on the front page, and under tag searches, but it would not show who posted it. Of course with this it would probably have to work similarly to private posting when showing it on the users page. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] media support
No standard types for RSS. .xml? .rss? etc, so difficult to automatically recognize. -j -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Luyi Chen wrote: Joshua, A suggestion: why not include the filetype of RSS, so that delicious can potencially be a wonderful feeds directory. Well, do anybody think this useful? Will anyone tag his favorate feeds? Luyi Chen On 6/12/05, Joshua Schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bookmarked items in del.icio.us http://del.icio.us that end in one of a number of filetypes will now automatically get some system tags added. You can use these just like normal tags. The tag system:media:video includes - *.mp3 as system:filetype:mp3 - *.wav as system:filetype:wav The tag system:media:video includes - *.mpg as system:filetype:mpg - *.mpeg as system:filetype:mpeg - *.avi as system:filetype:avi - *.wmv as system:filetype:wmv - *.mov as system:filetype:mov Examples: - ALL music items on delicious http://del.icio.us/tag/system:media:audio - mp3s tagged as mashups http://del.icio.us/tag/system:filetype:mp3+mashups - ALL video items on delicious http://del.icio.us/tag/system:media:video RSS feeds that have one of those system tags added will automatically become a rss-with-enclosures file. Examples: - ALL music items on delicious as a podcast http://del.icio.us/rss/tag/system:media:audio - mp3s tagged as mashups as a podcast http://del.icio.us/rss/tag/system:filetype:mp3+mashups - ALL video items on delicious as a podcast http://del.icio.us/rss/tag/system:media:video (a nice client for this is ANT at http://www.antisnottv.net/) I also wrote a quick hack to show some recent mp3s at: http://del.icio.us/feeds/m3u/all.m3u ... I'll be extending the m3u/pls?/etc support for tags and users and so on later. In addition, the following types are recognized but I couldn't find any clever file formats to syndicate them with: The tag system:media:image includes: - *.jpg as system:filetype:jpg - *.jpeg as system:filetype:jpeg - *.gif as system:filetype:gif - *.png as system:filetype:png The tag system:media:document includes: - *.pdf as system:filetype:pdf - *.doc as system:filetype:doc -j -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] media support
Likewise for images? (Flickr-style slideshow?) No clients do this yet. If something exists I can add it to the list. Would system:filetype:torrent just be asking for it? Yeah, I thought of this late last night. I wonder if that's a dangerous idea. For the RSS suggestion, export to OPML would be neat. Import/export from services like bloglines would also be a nice touch. My bookmarklet-fu is a little rusty - would it be possible to do something like post selected media to del.icio.us, or a bookmarklet which lists all media from a page in a pop-up and then forwards a selected item to del.icio.us? Lots of browsers require some sort of webpage context in which to run a bookmarklet and thus can't post media that takes over the document area. You have to copy the url and go to del.icio.us/post to do it. -j ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] system: tags
previously, there was just system:unfiled; I added the new stuff this weekend. -j -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Pete Freitag wrote: Hey is there a list of system: tags? I didn't know about system:filetype for instance Also I have an idea for a new system tag, system:domain:example.com then you can see all documents people have bookmarked for a specific domain. -- __ Pete Freitag work: http://www.cfdev.com/ blog: http://www.petefreitag.com/ shop: http://www.dealazon.com/ Author of the CFMX Developers Cookbook http://www.petefreitag.com/bookshelf/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] media support
Ok, so I've got system:media:presentation *.ppt as system:filetype:ppt (powerpoint) *.key as system:filetype:key (keynote) *.sxi as system:filetype:sxi (openoffice/staroffice) Also a system:filetype:swf would be handy for finding flash documents, OpenOffice, and Keynote can export presentations to swf. I'm not sure what media type swf would go under however. It doesn't need to. Someone else suggested system:filetype:ogg - system:media:audio and folding system:filetype:mpeg - mpg and i guess jpeg - jpg (or vice versa, I gues. What else did I miss? -j ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] File Types/Enclosures in my user RSS feed?
http://del.icio.us/rss/ldandersen/scifihifi:podcast ...or something along those lines. The problem is, the RSS feeds under my user on del.icio.us don't show the media links into enclosures. The following (non-user specific) URL does contain enclosures, though: If you include a type in the feed, it will add enclosures; for example: http://del.icio.us/rss/ldandersen/scifihifi:podcast+system:media:audio http://del.icio.us/rss/system:filetype:mp3+scifihifi:podcast Is there a reason the filetype/enclosure trick doesn't work with my user RSS feed, or is it a bug? Great idea on the filetypes, BTW--I think people will evolve some interesting uses of it... ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] new servers
I've doubled up on the number of webservers running the site, which involved some changes to the caching infrastructure. Please let me know directly if anything seems amiss or other qualitative feedback (certain things seem slower or faster than before, etc.) -j -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] new servers
joshua schachter wrote: I've doubled up on the number of webservers running the site, which involved some changes to the caching infrastructure. Please let me know directly if anything seems amiss or other qualitative feedback (certain things seem slower or faster than before, etc.) Just in time, too, we just got slashdotted. -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] tags on my website
We're going to release it soon, it is not quite yet done. Jeff wrote: Joshua I had asked you awhile back about being able to get a feed of my tags from del.icio.us http://del.icio.us onto my website and you said it was coming in the future...so I just wanted to see if that was a reality yet or still something in the works? Thanks. p.s. I think a kool del.icio.us http://del.icio.us shirt is needed to :-) Jeff -- mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | web: http://www.teknokool.net IM: jeffisageek (yahoo) | IM: jeffisageek (MSN) ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Oscillating number of items?
It's a bug. There are two different servers with slightly different caches. This will get fixed in the next push, which will probably be tonight or tomorrow. Joshua J M Cerqueira Esteves wrote: Greetings I noticed (today but also yesterday, if I remember correctly) strange changes in the number of total items shown at the top of my del.icio.us main page [http://del.icio.us/jmce ]. A few minutes ago, it was showing 472 items total. Reloading the page, I got 476, then 472 again... Is this expected? Best regards (and many thanks for such a nice service!) J Esteves ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] system:media:video tags not showing up
Conrad Heiney wrote: The system:media:video and system:filetype:* tags used for tagging video aren't showing up in my list of tags, or for autocompletion from existing tags. The audio ones do, though. Is this a bug or by design for some reason? These tags are automatically added in the background and aren't supposed to be used by humans - it happens magically. -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] question on populicious
Pietro Speroni di Fenizio wrote: It has been some time, and I have noticed that on the all time popular populicious page (http://populicio.us/fulltotal.html) on the fifth line it is indexed a link to a page about home networking: http://www.wirelessnetmanager.com/ which according to populicious has 2016 people bookmarking it while according to delicious there are only 11 people who have bookmarked it. All other data in the populicious page where correct (as far as I checked). Is this a bug on delicious who had lost some data, or a bug on the populicious page. This appears to be a problem on their end. They should not be screen-scraping anyway. Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Suggestions
Private posts are still very high priority. It will take several hours of downtime and I'm hesitant to do that right now. But they will be in soon.JoshuaOn Jul 3, 2005, at 5:16 PM, Joel Barrett wrote: I'm still voting for private bookmarks to get to the top of the to do list. Joel From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Michael GibsonSent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 4:00 PMTo: discuss@del.icio.usSubject: [delicious-discuss] Suggestions - I was thinking of something like John Abbe’s venn diagram idea, but much simpler and with no flash involved: each tag/bundle would have a tick-box next to it, which would show/hide the bookmarks in that category (of course with an all/none checkbox at the top). You could then quickly show as many or few categories as needed. You could also have an AND/OR thing but that might complicate it a bit. – is everyone getting what I mean here? No offence to John’s idea but I think delicious should be kept as simple as possible and definitely free of flash- It would be good to be able to list the bookmarks in alphabetical order or by other criteria, not just by date added- Some kind of rating system, to rank which users have the best/most viewed bookmark lists, crossreferenced by tag, would be great- It’d be good to have a “personal” bookmark section only accessible by the account owner or by granting permission to particular users- for example I would use it to bookmark my router’s IP 172.16.0.1 which I’m sure no-one else is interested in seeing. I’m sure people would use it to bookmark other *ahem* sites as well- Don’t know if this has already been suggested, but it’d be good to have a searchable forum on the website to replace this discussion group, cos it would encourage the community to grow and make it easier to track suggestions (for example, I’ve just joined this list and am hardly gonna trawl through months of archives to check if the above ideas have already been suggested.) Otherwise, congratulations Joshua on creating this excellent tool, I’ve tried a few similar things but I’ve just discovered this and it beats them all- I’m sure when the features are more fully developed del.icio.us has the potential to become as all-powerful as google! Mike ___discuss mailing listdiscuss@del.icio.ushttp://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss --joshua schachter[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] iTunes Media Feeds...
Oh, oops. The popular feeds don't know how to generate podcast format feeds yet (Why is there no enclosure support in RSS1.0? Argh)Anyway, I think this stuff is too complicated for normal people to use. I'd like to clean up the URL (should users just append ?podcast to the regular tag? or what?) and make the UI linking to podcasts more reasonable (there currently isn't any.) Any suggestions?JoshuaOn Jul 3, 2005, at 9:44 PM, joshua schachter wrote:ditch the /popular/ from the rss feed. i'll look into why popular doesn't work on those tags.___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Ogg vorbis streams
The full set of items is outlined in my post to the blog. There still seems to be some discussion as to whether a .ogg should be video or audio. I can definitely add system:filetype:ogg easily enough, though. Joshua Christopher (siege) O'Brien wrote: I found out about system:media:audio and system:filetype:mp3 recently, but I was surprised to discover that system:filetype:ogg doesn't seem to exist (I bookmarked an ogg college radio stream that I'm particularly fond of), and oggs don't get counted in system:media:audio either. Is there any way to find out more about some of the system:media and system:filetype tags? del.icio.us is becoming more and more of a centerpiece in the way I use the web, thanks a lot! - siege -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] for: tags
Yes, but not everybody wants to expose every single item. I imagine it varies between users. We're going to allow purely private stuff, but also private and shared with groups, or private and shared with one other person. This is still social. Joshua Wouldn't private posts be opposite to the spirit of del.icio.us? I thought the primary goal was Social bookmarking, not personal bookmark storage. -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] for: tags
realistically, the current behavior of the inbox is not really what we would term an inbox. it is much more of an aggregator or subscription service. i've been thinking a lot about how to change the inbox to make it make some actual sense, including renaming it (subs? i dunno.) another significant issue is that the inbox tag subs far outweigh the user subs; this seems broken to me. i frequently consider making subs restructed to users and for: or whatever. currently, the inbox is implemented much like the tags themselves, just a separate set of tags in parallel. however, global tag subs usually cause a thousand times more entries to be created than otherwise, so the inbox actually can't go back that many entries (they get deleted after 1000 or so items are in the inbox.) perhaps for: and so the other things that will work like it should work like the inbox does currently, rather than a normal tag? i'm not sure. Joshua On Jul 14, 2005, at 6:01 PM, Quintus Frimschlowder VIII wrote: I think this is a cool idea. It seems to me to be essentially another inbox, and I think it would be cool to somehow integrate it into del.icio.us/user/inbox. Maybe users could set whether they'd like these posts to be private or not? Maybe users should just automatically be subscribed to the for:user tag when they sign up for an account. Quintus Frimschlowder VIII http://scatterbrain.raygunarmy.com/ On 7/14/05, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, but not everybody wants to expose every single item. I imagine it varies between users. We're going to allow purely private stuff, but also private and shared with groups, or private and shared with one other person. This is still social. Joshua Wouldn't private posts be opposite to the spirit of del.icio.us? I thought the primary goal was Social bookmarking, not personal bookmark storage. -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] https possibility?
On a serious note, I'd like full https/ssl access, but if that's not possible, is there a chance the authentication part could be protected in such a fashion? Eventually, perhaps? This seems pretty reasonable, although I think it may be better to just ssl-encrypt the whole thing. (cookie stealing, etc.) It's more an implementation issue than anything idealogical. It's too bad most users freak out about HTTP-auth, as that does not transfer the password in the clear (unlike a normal form.) Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Internet Mediator
Wow, are spambots able to subscribe to mailing lists already? I'd assume this is malware I hope someone adds CAPTCHAs to Mailman soon. Joshua On Jul 24, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Jim wrote: What is Internet Mediator? www.internetmediator.co.uk Internet Mediator is an application that remembers your username and password login details for you. It is free to use and runs in the background ready to help log you in to your favourite websites at the touch of a button. Just open a browser using Internet Mediator and it will automatically insert your login details for you everytime you browse to a web page that requires them. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Antisocial (anittag) functionality
Blake West wrote: I have been trying to add items to my antisocial list to filter out links from the front page that I don't care to see. Mostly I am doing this by tags rather than by users. I've noticed that the ignore link seems to have disappeared from the tag pages (like http://del.icio.us/tag/crap/). So I have been just typing in an ignore link into the address bar while logged in (like http://del.icio.us/settings/myaccountname/antisocial?ignore=*/crap). Sometimes this works and sometimes it bonks and sends me to the homepage. Why does this not work all the time? I had moved the ignore stuff with the intention of putting it on the ignore page itself, or something (I wanted to feature the tag finder thingy a bit more, at least on the tag pages.) This is obviously something subject to some flux. Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] All 8/2/05 posts missing from tag RSS feeds
Please send this stuff to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not the list. The database problems persisted through the night, and I got things fixed out what was wrong earlier this afternoon. I'll clear the caches on the webservers and everything should be fine shortly thereafter. Joshua Kent Bye wrote: FYI: My RSS feeds for all tags are not picking up any of my August 8th entries. I know that there were some database issues over recently, and I'm not sure if this is a product of that. I first noticed the following problem since I'm aggregating my ECP tag feed on my site. Compare these two pages: http://del.icio.us/kentbye/ECP [1] 8-3-05 Flemming [2] 8-3-05 MicroPersuasion [3] 8-2-05 Mudville Gazette [4] 8-2-05 OurMedia [5] 8-2-05 Sisyphean Musings [6] 7-30-05 Doc Searls [7] 7-30-05 Rhetorica The RSS feed doesn't include [3], [4] or [5] -- all made on 8-2-05 http://del.icio.us/rss/kentbye/ECP [1] 8-3-05 Flemming [2] 8-3-05 MicroPersuasion MISSING 3 ENTRIES [6] 7-30-05 Doc Searls [7] 7-30-05 Rhetorica I also used a new tag yesterday to tag my vlog feed, and I'm seeing the same behavior where the info isn't showing up in the RSS feed. http://del.icio.us/kentbye/antfeeds vs. http://del.icio.us/rss/kentbye/antfeeds Just wondering if you're already aware of this... Thanks, -Kent Bye. Director, The Echo Chamber http://www.echochamberproject.com/vlog ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] db issues
joshua schachter wrote: The database had minor issues today. I brought down the site and am repairing the relevant stuff. No data was lost, but indexes got corrupted. Things are going to be odd for an hour or two while stuff gets regenerated. Specifically, tag browsing may be broken for a while. Finally, everything appears to have been resolved. A horrific mysql experience all around. Joshua -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] db issues
Are you able to talk about what the issues were in any detail? And what you did to fix them? It would be instructive to others building tag based web sites. Disclaimer: My curiosity is somewhat biased because of ownership of the tagdb mailing list. Corrupted index. Nothing to do with tagging, just a MySQL failure of some sort. Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] new feature
I'm hoping to push several new features today; email will come out as they are ready. I'll announce them on the blog when they are more prime-time. This one is pretty simple: You can set the license for your RSS feed on your settings page. Please let me know if you notice anything unusual or broken. Hopefully more later. Joshua -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Bug or Feature?
The Bo$$ wrote: Just a quick question: I noticed at http://del.icio.us/settings/USERNAME/license, the title of the page is del.icio.us/settings/daily. Is this a bug or feature? Bug. I copied the daily page when I started coding. -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] oops
Oops. There were a few old messages in the discuss list's buffer. A few old messages may go out. Sorry. Joshua -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] What is a del.icio.us bookmarklet?
Something like http://del.icio.us/doc/bookmarklets? We're trying to document stuff as we go. We're going to replace the about page with a help page soon. Joshua Anthony Eden wrote: I second that. -Anthony On 8/8/05, Philipp Keller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps someone could install a wiki? Then, such words can be explained there and referenced from the del.icio.us pages. I think that now there are some people outside the blogger-scene are arriving.. and such information could make using delicious more easy for those.. greets Philipp Am Sonntag, den 07.08.2005, 20:17 -1000 schrieb Anthony Eden: A bookmarklet is a link which you add to your bookmarks, but rather than a regular URL it contains JavaScript which will act upon the current page you are viewing. Thus, if you put the del.icio.us bookmarklet in your bookmarks, go to a page you want to bookmark, and click the bookmarklet it will direct you to the del.icio.us add a bookmark interface with the URL already in the URL text field. Sincerely, Anthony Eden On 8/7/05, Tony Budak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New guy here. Please explain exactly, the phrase, simply select the del.icio.us bookmarklet which is in the instructions sentence, When you find a web page you'd like to add to your list, you simply select the del.icio.us bookmarklet, and you'll.. OK lets say, I am in my browser and have a web site page pulled in that has a little orange hicky, now what? What is a del.icio.us bookmarklet? Thanks, Tony ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Py-Delicious - get_urlposts
That API is screen-scraping. We don't support that. Joshua On Aug 10, 2005, at 3:52 AM, Michael Foord wrote: Hello, Any of you Delicious'ers using the Python interface to the API ? (The mailing list over at belios.de is pretty quiet). It looks like the ``get_urlposts`` function has stopped working. The facility still exists with del.icio.us : http://del.icio.us/url/ + md5.md5(the_url).hexdigest() still returns the page of posts - but HtmlToPosts isn't extracting them anymore. Anyone got any ideas ? (short of fetching the rss version and parsing it myself :-) Best Regards, Fuzzy http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Py-Delicious - get_urlposts
Not yet. My main worry here is that if we provide the API, people will just hammer away at it for every URL they know about. (the same problem exists on /url itself) I'm still looking for a good way to throttle these requests. Joshua On Aug 10, 2005, at 8:06 AM, Michael Foord wrote: joshua schachter wrote: That API is screen-scraping. We don't support that. Is there a way to obtain this information via the REST API ? I would like to know what categories users have put specific URLs in. Regards, Fuzzyman Joshua On Aug 10, 2005, at 3:52 AM, Michael Foord wrote: Hello, Any of you Delicious'ers using the Python interface to the API ? (The mailing list over at belios.de is pretty quiet). It looks like the ``get_urlposts`` function has stopped working. The facility still exists with del.icio.us : http://del.icio.us/url/ + md5.md5(the_url).hexdigest() still returns the page of posts - but HtmlToPosts isn't extracting them anymore. Anyone got any ideas ? (short of fetching the rss version and parsing it myself :-) Best Regards, Fuzzy http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Py-Delicious - get_urlposts
Or you could setup some/one dedicated server for the api that had a throttled connection to the del.icio.us database. Can be done with: http://sqlrelay.sourceforge.net/ This seems neat. Any actual war stories? Joshua -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] api functionality
tim added a bit of functionality: you can get ONE post: function: http://del.icio.us/api/posts/get? tag= filter by this tag - optional dt= filter by this date or url= fetch post matching this url returns a list of posts matching a given date, filtered by tag, or a post matching a given url. if no date or url is supplied, most recent date will be used. you can NOT replace a post if its already there function: http://del.icio.us/api/posts/add? url= url for post description= description for post extended= extended for post tags= space-delimited list of tags dt= datestamp for post, format CCYY-MM-DDThh:mm:ssZ replace=no - don't replace post if given url has already been posted - optional This involves NO change for current api usage. Joshua -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] related urls
We are now showing related urls on the /url pages. Joshua -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Good ways to filter out certain tags?
Dev Purkayastha wrote: I'd like to put my delicious feed upon my blog, but ideally filter out certain tags (specifically the jobs tag; I don't think I want to make that information *easily* public). Is there any good way to do this? Should I simply start tagging publically safe things with a tag like toblog or such? I'm aware that my tags are all generally public anyway, but a layer of obscurity would be nice. We're definitely thinking about something like this. Definitely on the todo list, although I think when we get privacy out it'll obviate the need for this to a large extent. Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] fragment identifiers?
Michael Wiik wrote: Does del.icio.us not handle fragment identifiers in URLs? There are some blog posts I'd like to bookmark that don't have their own frag- free URL. Yes, it does. (although it should probably ignore them for the purposes of and 7 other people stuff) Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] using gzip compression w/ wget for del.icio.us rss feeds
Amir Michail wrote: Hi, I tried this but it (apparently) doesn't compress: wget --header=Accept-Encoding: gzip --timestamping http://del.icio.us/rss/tag/... Should not the downloaded file be in gzip format? Fascinating. Looks like this is broken. I will figure it out. Useful tester at: http://leknor.com/code/gziped.php Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] some feedback on search engine and the reccomandation system
I have some questions though. What is the alghorithm behind them. In particular I tested the search engine, and found that if I looked for two quite different tags 'religion' and 'folksonomy' I would get quite some results, but none that contained both the keywords. Not just not in the search page (which I gather gets the most heavy -high weight- tags), but also in the individual page. Infact I would often get one of the result, look at all the person that has bookmarked that entry, look for one of the two keywords, and either one or the other would be absent. The search engine is weak and definitely a work in progress. Now speaking about the reccomendation system. It is REALLY GOOD. I have already found some very good pages. In fact I just went to an article I was very interested to, looked for related and got a bunch of articles, EACH important and EACH new. WOW. Now some questions. 1. Again what algorithm does it uses? Joshua sais, is the same algorithm as before but I could not remember any post describing it in the last months. Something of my own invention. 2. Could the results be offered in the same way as the search results are given: Name of URL, number of people using it, most relevan tags. In this way it would be very easy to navigate delicious going from one link to the relevant, to the next relevant and so on. Some group of URL will make small islands, and some will make bigger islands, but users will have the possibility to explore the whole island. Yes, I plan to make the results more attractive. Should probably also have the document's title or something similar as well. One bug is that it will recommend URLs for some tag that you have bookmarked, but with different tag. So I need to eliminate everything you have bookmarked at all. Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Using the bookmarklet
What are the exact contents of the bookmarklet? Are you using something different from the normal one? Joshua On Aug 20, 2005, at 9:57 PM, David Hogg wrote: I use Delicious a lot. I also use the Mozilla Firefox browser (1.0.6). I've successfully installed the bookmarklet and I see the words popup post to del.icio.us ... on my toolbar. Two things surprise me about the way this bookmarklet functions. First, I have to log in each time; I don't understand why I should have to log in more than once. Second, the small window that opens up immediately invites me to enter text, which I thought was supposed to be inserted automatically as an extended description of the URL. In fact, even if I enter a text, it does not appear automatically in the extended description field. The first issue has already been raised in another recent post. I wonder if I am the only person to experience the second. And in any case how can I rectify this? -- Best wishes, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] We should live as if we lived in plain sight of all men/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Tag people ?
Was there any conclusion as to whether this is a bad idea or not? I don't hate it, particularly. There are several features I'd like to get done beforehand though (privacy and groups.) I don't think we'll have sending broadcast messages, though. Joshua On Aug 26, 2005, at 7:49 PM, Brian Del Vecchio wrote: This has come up several times in the past, for example in this thread: http://lists.del.icio.us/pipermail/discuss/2005-March/002606.html On 8/17/05, David Hagar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be cool if you could tag yourself and search the tags that other users apply to themselves. Even better would be to send a message to all the people with a particular tag pattern. -- Brian Del Vecchio | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://hybernaut.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] geotagging
Is there a need to actually get all items on a horizontal line? Not really. Put it in the extended field, perhaps? Joshua On Aug 30, 2005, at 2:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has any thought been given to adding latitude and longitude fields to del.icio.us? I would find it extremely useful to be able capture that information for websites with physical locations. http://www.geobloggers.com now will map all del.icio.us posts tagged geotagged, but it requires geotagged sites to have geo:lat=xx.xx and geo:long=xx.xx tags also. I'd rather not do that because pretty soon my tag list would be 50% geotags. I know there are sites like mapbuilder.net and tagzania.com that let you geotag locations and map them, but I'd don't want to have to duplicate all the locations I already have in del.icio.us, or have to choose where to bookmark future sites. Thanks, Brian ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] lazy sheep
Hi. I can't quite put my finger on why, exactly, yet, but I'm not thrilled about lazy sheep. We've definitely been burned in the past by alternative posting interfaces silently corrupting user's data. I'm also not thrilled about automatic tags and commenting; there should be some decision on the part of the user. The choice of tags seems somewhat abusable at the very worst, annoying at the best (for example, see http://del.icio.us/tag/!mobiledesktop for the dangers). I have thought about adding a read later sort of quick bookmarklet, which would add at most a system:readlater tag but nothing else. My instinct right now is to ban the use of this bookmarklet, unless anyone has any really good arguments. Joshua -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] lazy sheep
Interesting -- is the idea to just avoid having to go through the whole post process if you just want to bookmark something to check out later (since you can just tag something readlater anyway), or are you thinking in the direction of some of the private tagging that's been discussed on and off, where system:readlater items are private to the user? In either case, I think I like. This is exactly what is planned -- I am planning to do this after privacy is implemented (soon!) Joshua -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: lazy sheep
That's pretty much it, exactly. I keep a relatively well-defined tag library - because I find it to be useful, to me. However, I've simply run out of time trying to keep it maintained - I just want to throw my link into del.icio.us and forget it (for now). I should also bring up that the only purpose of del.icio.us isn't to use the tags to find your links again (although, it should be very important to its users) - there's also dumping your links to your weblog every night - and tags aren't necessarily that important there. in this case, then there is no need to add any tags at all. Based upon the feedback that I've received, so far, people are finding this bookmarklet genuinely useful. The sheer number of people who simply click the recommended tags for each link they bookmark is staggering - and this should help them significantly. The recommended links are still different from what a bunch of other people chose. I'm pushing a change shortly; the posting engine will strip tags posted through lazy sheep. Sorry. Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: lazy sheep
John Resig wrote: I'm really confused as to why you are disabling this - with the recent change that I made, it does not effect the performance or usability for other users and, in fact, many many people find this to be of great help when using del.icio.us (myself included). It helps to lower the barrier of entry for users who simply don't have the time to dig through tags and write things themselves. Could we please discuss this some more before disabling it entirely? I, and the couple hundred people using the bookmarklet, would definitely appreciate it. Same arguments as before. There should be at least some human interaction here on the choice of tags, or it makes the system much less valuable. It's too parasitic and enforces groupthink much more than what we provide; the current implementation of recommended tags isn't just the top N other tags. I'm all in favor of giving people some hints and help, but removing the interaction entirely is a mistake. Tagging is all about a way to encapsulate the user's intuition about the item being saved. This does not provide any of that functionality. I don't see the point of copying extended notes at all, nor are they required to save something. Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Extended descriptions
The popular lists are, by nature, are by-url; we show the first post and the user who found it so they get a little credit. Showing the five most recent extended is an interesting idea for the web page; I'll add it to the todo list. However, we can't show it in the RSS feed or it'd be highly annoying. Joshua Del.icio.us has been my main source for triaging citizen journalism since Katrina hit, and I'm so appreciative of the work done by other delicioso. One of the greatest benefits has been extended descriptions, since page titles are often cryptic, to say the least. I've been trying to contribute my part. http://del.icio.us/jaycollier/katrina In the chronological list, those extended descriptions have appeared with each new save. http://del.icio.us/tag/katrina In the recently popular list, however, no descriptions are included. http://del.icio.us/popular/katrina I can understand this decision, given the number of people who may have saved that URL. Is there any possibility, however, of an option to read, say, the most recent five extended comments for an entry? -Jay ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Fresh start on del.icio.us
They aren't, really. Stuff really gets deleted (unless there is a bug) -- try posting something and the page caches should get cleared. Joshua I was wondering which is the best way to perform a fresh start on the service when you've already been using it for a while. I've being tagging uncarefully my bookmarks for some months, so I just backed up an export of them. Then it would be useful being able to delete all bookmarks so I can restart. However not being able to do so, I thought of removing my account and creating it again. Funny enough, after doing that your old bookmarks are again there as if nothing had happened. So, which way to go? Cordially, Ismael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] links in extended
It's not really intended as a blogging platform. we may allow a longer extended notes field and markup but not right now; it probably won't be plain HTML allowed anyway. I do not recommend the use of html in the extended field itself; we are likely to break that at some point. Joshua On Sep 10, 2005, at 1:20 PM, City Hippy wrote: We often thank sources of a link we are adding by using: thanks to a href=http://www.whatever.com; target=_blankwww.whatever.com/a for the link in the extended field. They show up as links on our site via the rss feed but they do not show up as links when looking at our del.icio.us/cityhippy page. Any idea why? Could this be changed...? Attribution is only fair we think Namaste Al = CITY HIPPY - http://www.cityhippy.net The diary of our struggle to live a green and fair life. = ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] What's the system:import tag?
Yes. The media and filetype tags, which are documented at http:// blog.del.icio.us/blog/2005/06/casting_the_net.html Joshua On Sep 10, 2005, at 1:46 PM, Joseph Becher wrote: Thanks. Are there other system: tags besides unfiled and import? On 9/10/05, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:It's automatically added by the experimental bookmarks importer. Joshua On Sep 10, 2005, at 10:47 AM, Joseph Becher wrote: Just wondering if it meant something that I was interested in knowing about. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] rss feed parse errors
On Sep 11, 2005, at 6:17 PM, Amir Michail wrote: I get these occasionally. For example, there appears to be something wrong with this title: titleBusiness of Life^B122: Free advice from a lawyer/title The error is not well-formed (invalid token). When? What feed? etc -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] remote app auth
i'd like to put together a spec for letting users authorize remote application access without giving away their actual password. here's a very preliminary idea: 1) remote webapp links to, say, del.icio.us/auth?return=http:// place.to.send.auth.key/ 2) user ends up on a page that tells him 'grant access to http:// place.to.send.auth.key for write/read/decline' 3) chooses read or write or whatever and is redirected to http:// place.to.send.auth.key/?user=xyzkey=abc and this is logged to some del.icio.us database. (or maybe this should be POST) 4) api will accept either password or the auth key thoughts? -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] remote app auth
There has already been a lot of discussion about the flickr athentication process that is documented here: http://flickr.com/services/api/misc.userauth.html It seems to be an interesting approach and I think it can be applied to del.icio.us in the same way as it can be to flickr. the problem with that proposal is that it requires us to vette apps and provide an app key. is this necessary/desirable? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] remote app auth
Desktop apps would presumably be trusted by the user (although obviously still subvert-able ). Just plug in your userid and password. The auth scheme I am proposing would be for other webapps only. Joshua The thing I don't like about these auth schemes, is that it's web-based. Sounds stupid, but one thing that makes del.icio.us and other services like that provide an API so great, is that they allow development and use of non-web-apps (like cocoalicious and others). Forcing these apps to send the user to a browser and from there back to the app is even worse than annoying. (Not to say, that the proposed scheme, through it's use of Redirection makes desktop apps quite hard to do ... they'd have to accept HTTP request in order to retrieve the auth key). Or did I miss something, and this is totally easy? Cheers Benjamin -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Discussion search
Thanks for all your answers...I suspect that an easier solution 'for the masses' will be forthcoming eventually. I hope. Josh? Not really high priority for us right now. Delicious itself will take priority (making it go faster as well as adding privacy, groups, etc) Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] populicio.us has been closed.
we added the show only new items thing to /popular months ago. what else is there? joshua Hi there: today I closed populici.us due recent changes on del.icio.us. Right now del.icio.us home page doesn't show all the posts but some of them (as far as I can see just the new ones or something similar). Yes, Yes, I know I was doing screen-scraping ... but I had a lot of happy people using my service for free. Joshua are you going to do something similar? People loves this service and as I can't continue giving this info, why don't you add it to your web? xabi PS: - Sorry for screen-scraping your web. - Sorry for my English, but it's my 3th language. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] License of post.js file?
What license is the post.js file released under? (http:// del.icio.us/ui/static/post.js) I'd like to add a modified version of the tag auto-completion functionality from post.js to a GPL'd Greasemonkey script I'm writing to augment the NZ parliamentary debate website: http://kiwimp.sf.net/ Unfortunately, at this time, it is copyright del.icio.us, all rights reserved; thus not available under any licence. Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Bizarre behaviour importing
I'm still looking into exactly what happened. Would you like me to delete the extra added items? I've disabled bookmark import for the time being. Joshua On Sep 16, 2005, at 4:04 AM, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: I've tried to import the attached HTML file, only links, no HTML headers. When done, in my account they not only appear the links in the file, but up to 180 bookmarks which are not mine!! http://del.icio.us/ivalladt/system:import Any ideas? Cordially, Ismael jabber.htm ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] tagging web page fragments
What if you just annotated a point instead of a region? I suppose one could identify that with XPath... seems like it would be very fragile Joshua On Sep 19, 2005, at 11:03 PM, Amir Michail wrote: I think it would be interesting to be able to tag web page fragments. For example, you could highlight some text in a web page and give it tags. This can be used to provide helpful annotations/navigation while looking at a web page. It can also be used to build a more helpful sort of search engine. Of course, having del.icio.us automatically move these tags around as a web page evolves can be quite tricky. -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] related tag feature gone?
No, it shouldn't have. What URL are you looking at? Joshua On Sep 26, 2005, at 7:14 PM, Mags wrote: Is it my imagination or has the related tags feature vanished? It used to be that if I selected a tag with a lot of entries, I got a list of cross-referring tags from my own account. So if I picked meta I might get a list including +tagging, +delicious etc. Has that gone? -- Mags -- I _am_ a quitter! I come from a long line of quitters! It's amazing I'm here at all! Bernard Black -- ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] related tag feature gone?
Everything seems ok on our end. Can you send me a screenshot (not to the list, please) Joshua On Sep 26, 2005, at 7:22 PM, Mags wrote: joshua schachter wrote: No, it shouldn't have. What URL are you looking at? http://del.icio.us/magslhalliday/reading.read That should come up with a long list of tags such as reading.C20th and reading.crime etc. under the related tags. At the moment, all I'm getting is: - reading.read from all users - recommendations -- Mags -- I _am_ a quitter! I come from a long line of quitters! It's amazing I'm here at all! Bernard Black -- ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] How to Import Bookmarks on Firefox into del.icio.us
Actually there was a delicious import thing, but I took it down so we can rework it a bit. The one people commonly use actually adds some other bookmarks for the guy's site, unfortunately On Sep 27, 2005, at 9:36 PM, Matthew Weymar wrote: On 9/27/05, M H [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How to I IMPORT the bookmarks on my Firefox browser into del.icio.us so that I have all of my bookmarks available on the web at all times? Try searching on import site: del.icio.us You'll probably find what you're looking for. Btw, do try to do a little work yourself before posting your queries to the list. Matthew ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] forum for analysis of del.icio.us
Presumably, a person followed their own link after storing it would be roughly analogous; this is information we should probably gather sometime in the future. Likewise, how much a person clicks on their own tags. Joshua On Oct 1, 2005, at 9:24 AM, sheila miguez wrote: It would be hard to figure out the successful use of a stored link, but the common intent is to save something to find it later (duh?) and we get to watch how people think they'll be able to find their information later. they'll make up a list of key words, and depending on how they use del use some sort of combination of recall, recognition, etc. -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] forum for analysis of del.icio.us
The advantages of unadorned links are copy-ability and that they show the right link in the statusbar? I think this is doable without breaking those things. Joshua If/when that's done, it'd be great *not* to wrap the URL inside a redirector as some other social bookmarking sites do. Unadorned links is a del.icio.us advantage. Thanks, -Mike -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] search *within* a resulting global tag set, for keywords?
Theoretically: tag:restaurants tag:dining applebees http://del.icio.us/search/all?search=tag%3Arestaurants+tag%3Adining +applebees Joshua On Oct 2, 2005, at 10:01 PM, Mark S. wrote: Dumb question, but is there not a way to search *within* a resulting global tag set, for specific key words? in other words, find all instances of Applebees within the restaurants+dining tag, or something like that? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] search *within* a resulting global tag set, for keywords?
The global search considers each URL distinct with all the associated metadata from all users; not all of the data is displayed. I used theoretically because the specified request had no results. /tag finds POSTS (not urls) ordered by time. I'm considering other operators (probably ANY instead of ALL) but stuff like NOT can be very very expensive. Joshua On Oct 2, 2005, at 10:38 PM, John Tropea wrote: Joshua, Eg.1 Is there a difference between the tag intersection: http://del.icio.us/tag/restaurants+dining (over 200 hits) Eg.2 and using the search bar: tag:restaurants tag:dining http://del.icio.us/search/all?search=tag%3Arestaurants+tag%3Adining (Under 30 hits) When you search for 2 tags together (2nd example) what's the implied boolean operator? It can't be AND, this is what the first example shows, and the difference in hits is quite great, and it can't be OR as this would be an even bigger result ...so what is the 2nd example actually searching? Also if you look at the tags next to each bookmark in the 2nd example, the tags restaurants, dining don't even appear half the time...is this an error? I also added a free-text term with this search: tag:restaurants tag:dining table http://del.icio.us/search/all?search=tag%3Arestaurants+tag%3Adining +table The term table only appears in half the bookmarks, what's going on? I just noticed you used the word Theoretically in your response, is this something your working on? So del.icio.us has 2 separate search boxes: 1. search for a tag/s (use + to add tags) 2. search the entire site Firstly a great feature would be the other operators, such as NOT, OR, *(stemming) Now once you have found your tag, or combination of tags by using search for a tag/s (No. 1 above), then it would be good to search within your results (using No. 2)...ie. search within in a sub-set of del.icio.us. In the response you gave to Mark, it seemed you were demonstrating the 2 step search I mentioned above in the one go using the search box search the entire site. Johnt -- Forwarded message -- From: joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Oct 3, 2005 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [delicious-discuss] search *within* a resulting global tag set, for keywords? To: Mark S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: discuss@del.icio.us Theoretically: tag:restaurants tag:dining applebees http://del.icio.us/search/all?search=tag%3Arestaurants+tag%3Adining +applebees Joshua On Oct 2, 2005, at 10:01 PM, Mark S. wrote: Dumb question, but is there not a way to search *within* a resulting global tag set, for specific key words? in other words, find all instances of Applebees within the restaurants+dining tag, or something like that? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- John Tropea http://libraryclips.blogsome.com ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] jobs at del.icio.us
We are looking to grow our development team. Please feel free to forward these descriptions to folks you feel would be qualified. 1. Firefox extension developer We are looking for a contractor or employee with extensive XUL experience who has written extensions that communicate with a backend database/web service and provide an AJAX-style user experience. We are not sensitive to geography, but full time employees must live in the United States. Please e-mail mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with a detailed description of your relevant experience, code samples and a resume. 2. Developers We are also looking for additional contractors or employees with LAMP stack experience. Perl experience is a plus but not required if you are PHP or Python god or goddess (and are willing to code in Perl). If you also know Mason that's great but also not required. You must live in the United States to become a full-time employee, but we are open with respect to geography. Please email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] with a detailed description of your relevant experience, code samples and a resume. -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] web2.0 meetup tomorrow night?
I'm at web2.0 conference, on some sort of panel about tagging. Is a del.icio.us meetup in the cards for wednesday night? Joshua -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] web2.0 meetup tomorrow night?
Sorry - this is in San Francisco. Joshua On Oct 5, 2005, at 5:04 AM, Damian Mann wrote: where is this at? On 10/4/05, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm at web2.0 conference, on some sort of panel about tagging. Is a del.icio.us meetup in the cards for wednesday night? Joshua -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Re: remote app auth
There's no easy way to prevent a url from using a password or whatever, since they aren't actually objects that have actions. There's only IP addresses or authentication pairs (username, password, etc) I don't see this solution particularly different from what I propose aside from making the user do more stuff to authenticate an application. Joshua Hi, regarding remote authorization, the proposed method seems complex. I suggest the following - each user can have multiple passwords. 1) In del.icio.us remote auth settings I can add/delete URLs. 2) Adding an URL returns a new password for my user, that only works for the given URL. 3) Removing an URL revokes password, thus denying the remote application's access to my data. 4) del.icio.is keeps a log for each interaction from the remote app - I can check it and audit what the remote app is doing. 5) I give my del.icio.us username plus my new password to the remote app. Plus: The user could be able to set permissions for each new URL. Example: just read,, read/write, just access tags: X1, X2, X2..., don't access to tags: Y1, Y2..., etc. Seems more simple and intuitive for the user. Sérgio Nunes Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:13:50 -0400 From: joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [delicious-discuss] remote app auth i'd like to put together a spec for letting users authorize remote application access without giving away their actual password. here's a very preliminary idea: 1) remote webapp links to, say, del.icio.us/auth?return=http:// place.to.send.auth.key/ 2) user ends up on a page that tells him 'grant access to http:// place.to.send.auth.key for write/read/decline' 3) chooses read or write or whatever and is redirected to http:// place.to.send.auth.key/?user=xyzkey=abc and this is logged to some del.icio.us database. (or maybe this should be POST) 4) api will accept either password or the auth key thoughts? -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] conflict resolution...
That person would send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we would look into it. On Oct 12, 2005, at 6:45 AM, Al Tepper wrote: If a person has a problem with a brand name of theirs being take as an account name by another what resolution systems are in place, if any? Also if someone defames someone else using the bookmark title or extended description presumably del.icio.us will not get involved and moderate that ‘comment’? Do del.icio.us see themselves purely as a service provider? Cheers Al ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] del down?...
I may have jumped the gun on purging the browser caches. I'll do that again now. Joshua On Oct 12, 2005, at 10:14 PM, Matthew Weymar wrote: On 10/12/05, joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we had a power failure. Sorry to hear about that. That's a drag. some of the slaves failed; things are coming back up now. everything should be fine shortly. I'm no longer experiencing problems cited previously, but finding that posts are not updating to my page. I'll give you a link to the post I'm talking about: http://del.icio.us/userx?v=2url=http%3A%2F% 2Fwww.educationsector.org%2Ftitle=Education%20Sector%20-%20Home% 20Page But I guess you can't view that can you? When I load that URL, I see that the post has been logged and noted, but it doesn't show up on http://del.icio.us/userX I assume this too is related to your power failure, but figured I'd mention it in case somehow it's not. Matthew -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] tag hierarchies demo
I think Gabriel is thinking about faceted browsing -- there's a good example with Delicious Director. Yeah, we're thinking of adding something a bit like that for navigation after we finish Privacy. Joshua On Oct 14, 2005, at 3:05 AM, Gabriel Horner wrote: Hi del.icio.us taggers, I'm an avid tagger who just up a demo of tag hierarchies (http:// www.chwhat.com/tag/del) with an explanation at http://www.chwhat.com/pages/tagging. I've been looking for other sites that do this and have only found fac.etio.us and a customer of their's http://resource.smartdesktop.org/rescon/. Any others anyone could share? Also I'm curious, is del.icio.us looking to do such a thing? I've looked at previous relevant posts (Categorising tags, Tag sets... and Delicious as Allconsuming) but it didn't seem that too many saw an advantage in tag hierachies over related tags. Later, Gabriel -- Check out at my website at http://www.chwhat.com IF mail to chwhat.com bounces, send it instead to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] bug report: assertion failure on searching on tags
Elan Ruskin wrote: I don't see that anyone's mentioned this particular bug in this thread before so I feel I should: Attempting a find tags search from anywhere in the site seems to always result in the following error: Assert_Defined failed: Cache::BaseCache line 233 I guess we should either fix that or remove the find tags search. I'm not getting that. What page are you on, what are you typing in, etc? Joshua -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://del.icio.us/joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Tag counts not updating...
Joseph Becher wrote: http://del.icio.us/jwbecher/design is the page I'm on, but it doesn't matter. As I edit and delete tags the tag counts are not updating. --Joe The circuit tripped earlier has the tag server; it is catching up. If it's not up to date shortly I'll add another server. Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Gzip compression on RSS feeds not implemented
Oversight. I'll figure it out (!)@#()[EMAIL PROTECTED] apache) Joshua On Oct 20, 2005, at 1:43 AM, Nick Lothian wrote: Hi, A quick bug report; Gzip compression works correctly for user pages, but doesn't seem to be implemented for RSS feeds. I'm not sure if this is an oversight or deliberate? HTTP Traces are as follows: User page Request: GET /nl HTTP/1.1 Host: del.icio.us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 Accept: text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/ plai n;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5 Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 Keep-Alive: 300 Connection: keep-alive Response: HTTP/1.0 200 OK Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 05:21:10 GMT Server: Apache/1.3.33 (Debian GNU/Linux) mod_gzip/1.3.26.1a mod_perl/1.29 Vary: Accept-Encoding,U Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Encoding: gzip - NOTE THIS!! Content-Length: 3971 -- RSS Page Request: GET /rss/nl HTTP/1.1 Host: del.icio.us User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 Accept: text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/ plai n;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5 Accept-Language: en-us,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 Keep-Alive: 300 Connection: keep-alive Response: HTTP/1.0 200 OK Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 05:20:57 GMT Server: Apache/1.3.33 (Debian GNU/Linux) mod_gzip/1.3.26.1a mod_perl/1.29 Vary: Accept-Encoding,U Last-Modified: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 05:13:44 GMT ETag: 31313239363938383234 Connection: close Content-Type: application/xml Regards Nick Lothian IMPORTANT: This e-mail, including any attachments, may contain private or confidential information. If you think you may not be the intended recipient, or if you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete all copies of this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not reproduce any part of this e-mail or disclose its contents to any other party. This email represents the views of the individual sender, which do not necessarily reflect those of education.au limited except where the sender expressly states otherwise. It is your responsibility to scan this email and any files transmitted with it for viruses or any other defects. education.au limited will not be liable for any loss, damage or consequence caused directly or indirectly by this email. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Deleting bookmarks not working?
David Hogg wrote: Talking of deletion, I have a problem on the Daily Blog Posting page. No one seems to want to address this issue. I am unable to delete the three entries I have on that page, for the simple reason that the Edit and Delete commands (links) are hidden behind the right-hand menu. Any suggestions? We've got a new blog posting thing coming soon with a different interface and so on. In the meantime I can delete the item for you by hand. Joshua ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] Exporting Firefox Bookmarks to del.icio.us
we'll have something released shortly; the code is written and I just need to go over it to make sure it works all right (after the last time it did all the botched imports, i want to make extra sure.) Joshua On Oct 23, 2005, at 11:57 PM, Sri Kat wrote: You read it on Google. http://www.google.com/search?q=export+all+my+Firefox+bookmarks+to +del.icio.us First result. On 10/24/05, John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read somewhere that is was possible to export all my Firefox bookmarks to del.icio.us, but I cannot figure out how to do it. Can anyone give me further information? -- John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- http://sridhar.wordpress.com ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[delicious-discuss] just pushed a release
We just pushed some new code to production. Aside from a boatload UI tweaks, there's a new search engine and a new bundle editor. Please let me know if you notice anything wrong or broken. Thanks -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [delicious-discuss] tag bundle suggestions
i don't think anyone really does this. i believe api calls for the bundles exist, though. you might try taking the tag list from /api/tags/all (uhh i think this is undocumented? must fix that) and using a clusteirng algorithm (what is the osx del extension?) On Oct 24, 2005, at 11:48 AM, sheila miguez wrote: I'd like a feature on a client for working with tag bundles. I'd like it to provide a UI for easily creating tag bundles from my tag set, and I'd like it to suggest tag groupings. and perhaps it would have some suggested sortings to the side panel so that it could present the tag bundles in different ways depending on the dimension you want to sort on. If this doesn't exist yet, is anyone working on it? If I work on it, would I have to do it stand alone or is there a project already out there it would make sense to contribute this to? I'd also like to help fix the osx del extension becuase, at least on my machine, it's gotten very slow. I had to turn off a lot of the features. the UI is messed up now as well -- when one posts something, the window sticks around and one has to press cancel to make it go away. This is inconsistent with the win32 firefox extension behavior. -- sheila ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- joshua schachter [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ discuss mailing list discuss@del.icio.us http://lists.del.icio.us/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/discuss
