[FairfieldLife] Coffee in Space!

[salyavin808]

 Now you can have a nice cappuccino while you are watching the sunset over the 
curve of the Earth. Being an astronaut just got even more tempting!
 

 Astronauts to have coffee machine delivered to space station 
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/nov/21/astronauts-coffee-machine-in-space-station-delivery

 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A question for those who believe in God

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense of 
loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in 
one?
We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever. 
Of course it would have no impact for non-theists! What a dumb comparison. The 
corresponding question for *non-theists* should be: "If you were to find out 
for sure that there IS a God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life 
had been diminished in some way or wasted not believing in one?" How would you 
answer that?
Already answered in another thread -- absolutely nothing would change in my 
life. 



  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry, the somnambulist

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Sorry. No hypnosis, no suggestion -- either prior to the things we witnessed or 
afterwards. 

That would be the "easy explanation" on one level, but unfortunately it doesn't 
match the reality of what people experienced around him. On another level, it's 
even more problematic, because you're suggesting someone who could hypnotize 
hundreds of people at once -- many of whom he'd never met before.

I've often wished that I had the ability to do whatever it was that he did, and 
could demonstrate it to sceptics on this forum. What I'd do is take each person 
who thinks they've got their shit together and demonstrate levitation to them 
-- but while they were alone with me, no other witnesses. I'd make sure that 
they'd seen it and admitted to me that they'd seen it, and then I'd smile and 
leave, saying, "Fine...now you're in the same position I am...go forth and try 
to convince anyone else that you saw what you saw. Heh heh."
Seriously, s3raphita, I really don't give a shit what you or anyone else thinks 
about what I and hundreds of others experienced. We're still trying to figure 
it out ourselves. And one of the only things we can say for sure is that it 
doesn't seem that any kind of traditional hypnotism was employed.
 From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:32 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Barry, the somnambulist
   
     How do we explain Barry's conviction that he witnessed Lenz rise up from 
the ground?

Premise 1: The laws of physics imply that levitation events as claimed by Barry 
are improbable-verging-on-the- impossible.
Premise 2: Barry is not communicating with us from the padded cell of an 
institute for the incurably insane.Premise 3: One in five people are suitable 
subjects for deep-hypnosis experiences.
Premise 4: Frederick Lenz was a hypnotist. (This seems likely in view of the 
testimony of ex-followers who do claim that Lenz could use mass hypnosis.)


It's commonplace in hypnosis work to induce negative and positive visual 
hallucinations - I've seen Derren Brown convince someone that he (Derren) was 
invisible and that objects moving around in front of him were levitating - 
though we observers could see Derren himself simply lifting up and putting down 
the items. I can't see why a hypnotist couldn't persuade people that he was 
floating mid-air.
That may not even be necessary: if Lenz was simply to give someone a 
post-hypnotic suggestion that they'd have the memory of having seen the master 
float - then induce amnesia of what was said during the hypnotic trance itself 
- the subject would faithfully recall the miraculous event. As 20 per cent of 
people are natural somnambulists, maybe Lenz selected from that group to be in 
his inner circle. Barry may not be naturally somnambulistic but as he's been 
into lots of weird shit he's probably trained himself to enter altered states.
So I wonder if Barry recalls ever being formally hypnotised by Lenz?
Maybe someone has another explanation?




  

[FairfieldLife] Re: new report from Latin America

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Very cool. 

 Now, if the ME actually works, we can expect great things to start happening 
in South America beyond any predictions made without taking the Yogic Flyers 
into account.
 

 Let us hope.
 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

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[FairfieldLife] I Do Believe in Levitation, I Do, I Do, I Do...

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Richard, 

 Yes, he is desperate for attention to point of lying about what others say or 
didn't say.  He's been doing this for years so that he can push other people's 
buttons.  It's his way of convincing himself that he owns this forum. 
 

 It's also his idea of entertainment.  Before, Judy was the butt of his 
manipulations.  Now, he's testing out who can be his next victim.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 11/20/2014 5:05 PM, jr_esq  wrote:
 >

 I think Barry is hallucinating most of the time.  That's why he's quoting some 
words which he thinks came from me.  
 >
 Maybe he is so desperate for attention that he felt he needed to make up 
stuff, to make himself look superior to everyone else. 
 >
 To tell you the truth, I have no idea where he got that crap from. >
 Maybe he felt that his writing just didn't stand on it's own, so he thought he 
would embellish his spiritual status. 
 >
  Similarly, he's more likely telling us the same thing about Lenz.  
 >
 He does seem to take a certain pride in his past spiritual endeavors. 
 >
 IOW he saw things that never occurred. >
 The problem is his cognitive dissonance. You know he probably once believed in 
Rama or he wouldn't have spent all that time following Lenz around and paying 
his hotel and airfare - and tithing 20% of his weekly paycheck to the group. 
 
 There's no way he is going to back down now, after investing so much.
 
 Barry was so far into the trance induction that he actually put up a whole web 
site dedicated to the teachings of Fred Lenz and invited us to view it - now he 
doesn't want to talk about it. Go figure.
 
 The funny thing about Barry is that he threw both of his teachers under the 
bus, just to get back at Judy. Now he is a science writer who doesn't even 
believe in the Big Bang.
 
 Barry seems to be so mixed up these days that I don't know how he even makes 
it to the local bar to get on the free Wi-Fi.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

as the wise man said, "when they say they're not all about pushing buttons, 
they are all about pushing buttons". 

 the life of Barry Wright, for at least the last ten years.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Let me spell it out for you; I don't *need* to believe in God. (Just as I 
don't *need* to believe in immortality.) 
 I don't *need* to be around people who do believe in God - I'm actually a fan 
of those aggressive atheists who attack religion as most of what they say I 
agree with 100 per cent - and I enjoy a good argument.
 

 I have no emotional investment in the idea of belief whatsoever. The "God" 
hypothesis simply seems to make more sense to me of why we find ourselves in 
the situation we do find ourselves in. If the scientific-materialist worldview 
made more sense I'd willingly accept it.
 

 I use the word "God" as a convenient label. I'd be happier talking of "The 
Absolute" or "The One". It's the ground from which the figure emerges (in 
Gestalt-speak). In Roman philosopher Plotinus's take on the question of 
ultimate issues he regarded The One as having precisely zero interest in the 
affairs of humans; his was a purely philosophical concept (based on his own 
mystical experiences). I agree that many religious believers probably are 
seeking some kind of security blanket. But I'm not.
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 
 
   Re "You are far too subtle for him - and deep thinking. ":
 

 You also. I noticed from a previous post of yours (if I'm not misremembering) 
that you approved of David Bentley Hart's The Experience of God: Being, 
Consciousness, Bliss. Like you, I find that style of approaching the subject 
like mother's milk. You either get it, or you don't!
 

 

 S3raphita, if you and the Get Barry 'Bot are trying to imply that I would 
probably not be interested in the book you mention, you are correct. The very 
title makes me want to throw up in my mouth a little :-), because it's so 
obviously a Sales Pitch For The Belief In God. Not interested. I can think of 
no reading material that I would consider more of a waste of my time.
 

 I see such books -- and the people who try to press them on me -- a lot like a 
salesman at an Outdoor Outfitter's store to which I have gone to buy supplies 
for a mountain-climbing expedition. I've already bought everything I actually 
need, but now the salesman is trying to sell me a 12-inch-high stone statue of 
his favorite God. The conversation goes something like this:

 - "Why on earth would I want this?"
 - "Because it's a representation of God, and if you carry it and believe in 
it, God will keep you safe."
 - "Uh huh. So if I carry this God of yours and talk to it, it'll answer me 
back and tell me the best path up the mountain?"
 - "Well, no...it won't actually talk back to you, but it'll give you the faith 
to choose the Right Path."
 - "I've got a map for that, and it weighs less than an ounce. How much does 
this invaluable statue/belief system you're trying to sell me weigh?"
 - "About two pounds. And worth every ounce." 

 - "No thanks."
 

 An interest in "God" or reading about a hypothetical one just isn't my cuppa 
tea. I consider it a pastime for Weak People, who seem to feel that they *NEED* 
some kinda God to explain the universe around them. I don't, so why should I 
read books about this concept by Weak People, written for other Weak People? If 
I am in the mood for poetry, I'll read some real poetry, not that weak, 
namby-pamby stuff in so-called "scriptures" that people claim is poetry. If I 
want adventure, I'll read a good adventure book, either fiction or non-fiction. 
And if I want something to inspire me with new ideas, I'll read a book full of 
ideas that have some relationship to reality and the real world. I am very 
pragmatic these days and have almost no interest in the purely theoretical, 
considering it largely a Waste Of Time. 







 

 Bottom line is that while I think it's just swell if people like to believe in 
this made-up thing they call God, I bristle at them trying to convince me there 
is one and that I should believe in it, too. That strikes me as *the whole 
problem* with believers -- their belief makes them so WEAK that they can't bear 
to be around people who don't believe in the same made-up God that they do. 
They seem to need the "strength in numbers" that they find when surrounded by 
only people who believe the same things they do. So they start wars and 
Inquisitions to *force* everyone to believe in it. Or they write books to try 
to sell the idea. Either way, it's just old and boring and I, for one, have 
better things to do with my time. 

 

 To quote you, you either get this or you don't. :-) 

 

 Don't mind bawee, Seraphita, his head still burns from the scorching Edg gave 
him the other day. He doesn't like it when smarter, much smarter, people than

[FairfieldLife] Re: A complete list of Barry Wright's supporters on Fairfieldlife

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 In contrast, I find most of what TurquoiseB says, simplistic, and often 
mentally confused. His discrimination in terms of experience, is the same way. 
I am not sure the point you are making, Buck - Is it that we all build 
character, by dealing with such a person? I certainly don't let such a person 
stand in my way, though I would never congratulate such a horrid personality, 
or invite such behavior into my social and family life. I see Barry for who he 
is, and am damned glad he is as far away, as he is. 

 I don't know what Buck is saying either. Perhaps he will enlighten us (heh) on 
that one. Maybe he is saying bawee's perspective brings people together because 
some here have an actual brain that can discriminate between all the the BS and 
that, ultimately, we will see him with compassion due to his disabilities. I 
don't bloody well know. But then Buck is, as Judy once explained to me, a 
"cipher". Where is that woman, anyway?? I miss her. I like a woman with 
intelligence. She had lots to spare. Love her or hate her -  she had character, 
chutzpah and a great intellect. 
 

 - Jim in a parking lot
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Actually I stand by Turquoiseb; some of us would be nothing on FFL if it were 
not for Turqb. Considering Turqb as a source it seems we have come to know him 
a lot better as time has gone along. He appears a sympathetic character as you 
come to understand his perspective. I always read his rants for the perspective 
they give even though they are often filled with negativity and denouncement.

-Buck in the Dome 

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[FairfieldLife] This Amazing Planet

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

http://www.metaspoon.com/weird-things-happening-earth/?fb=074n1d5599a0 
http://www.metaspoon.com/weird-things-happening-earth/?fb=074n1d5599a0

Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama legalizing undocumented Democrats

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Only when the constitution can be re-written. There are too many individual and 
state rights and not enough federal authority. It's still too hard to *get 
even* and redistribute wealth. Too many of the wrong people have more than they 
need and won't share it. A larger under class is still needed for one party 
rule.
  From: wgm4u 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:30 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Obama legalizing undocumented Democrats
   
     Are ya happy now Democrats?



  

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for those who believe in God

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense of 
loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in 
one?
 

 We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever. 
 

 Of course it would have no impact for non-theists! What a dumb comparison. The 
corresponding question for *non-theists* should be: "If you were to find out 
for sure that there IS a God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life 
had been diminished in some way or wasted not believing in one?" 
 How would you answer that?
 

 I love your line of reasoning, Seraphita. Since I already believe in "God" I 
will take a stab at what a non-theist might feel if they suddenly found out 
there was a God after all,  just for fun. They might feel chagrined that they 
berated all of their acquaintances for being believers or they might have to 
delete all the theist jokes off their FB wall. They might even decide to look 
around themselves and feel gratitude towards something that was imaginative and 
strong enough to have made a worm or a thundercloud. They might even decide to 
say a little "thank you" prayer for the fact that their heart keeps beating and 
that they can hear a Mozart requiem.
 

 If your answer to the question is "Yes," it seems to me that your faith in God 
is based on habit, neediness and fear, not on any kind of positive belief. 
 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A complete list of Barry Wright's supporters on Fairfieldlife

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

In contrast, I find most of what TurquoiseB says, simplistic, and often 
mentally confused. His discrimination in terms of experience, is the same way. 
I am not sure the point you are making, Buck - Is it that we all build 
character, by dealing with such a person? I certainly don't let such a person 
stand in my way, though I would never congratulate such a horrid personality, 
or invite such behavior into my social and family life. I see Barry for who he 
is, and am damned glad he is as far away, as he is. 

 - Jim in a parking lot
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Actually I stand by Turquoiseb; some of us would be nothing on FFL if it were 
not for Turqb. Considering Turqb as a source it seems we have come to know him 
a lot better as time has gone along. He appears a sympathetic character as you 
come to understand his perspective. I always read his rants for the perspective 
they give even though they are often filled with negativity and denouncement.

-Buck in the Dome 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 that's cool, Michael. One of the informants here went in and out of dimensions 
while simply walking through the city in which he lives. 

 We were all so envious, wishing we could be special like that.
 

 The rest of us, sigh, can only take simple, uneventful walks, sigh.
 

 I think MJ will have a memory lapse about that one, Steve. Just watch, there 
will be no comment. Maybe you only exist in the "no read" file. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 There is no evidence for there being any multiverses 

 

 That's not true - there are any number of channels and New Age-y types who 
claim there are multiple dimensions all over the place.

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re "The multiverse is a theory . . . I don't see why atheists would use this 
theory to support their idea that there is no God.":
 

 

 There is no evidence for there being any multiverses - it is as much a leap of 
faith as believing in God. The "God option" really means you have trust in 
whatever is unfolding.
 

 There might be soon. David Deutsch, who runs the quantum computing lab at 
Oxford, makes the case that multiverse theories are the simplest way of 
explaining quantum theory. Most other physicists disagree due to lack of 
evidence but he intends to prove it using a virtual reality program of an atom 
running on a quantum computer. 
 

 I don't fully get what he's going on about but apparently there is a way that 
quantum computers can reveal how they work while they are doing computations 
about themselves (!), this will tell us a lot about what sort of universe we 
live in. All we need is a computer we don't have yet that exploits Qbits, the 
ability of things in the quantum world to be in potentially two, or more, 
places at once. But they are on the way. I get the impression that if he pulls 
it off he'll be the most famous scientist since Einstein but it's a long way 
away. But quantum computing is the future whatever it tells us.
 

 But as I said in another post, this in't the multiverse you are talking about 
but they might be provable - should they exist. Maybe cosmologists should just 
start again. Wouldn't be the first time...



 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama legalizing undocumented Democrats

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are ya happy now Democrats?
 

 Getting there, thanks.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 How do we explain Barry's conviction that he witnessed Lenz rise up from the 
ground?

 

 Premise 1: The laws of physics imply that levitation events as claimed by 
Barry are improbable-verging-on-the- impossible.

 Premise 2: Barry is not communicating with us from the padded cell of an 
institute for the incurably insane.
 Premise 3: One in five people are suitable subjects for deep-hypnosis 
experiences.

 Premise 4: Frederick Lenz was a hypnotist. (This seems likely in view of the 
testimony of ex-followers who do claim that Lenz could use mass hypnosis.)

 

 

 It's commonplace in hypnosis work to induce negative and positive visual 
hallucinations - I've seen Derren Brown convince someone that he (Derren) was 
invisible and that objects moving around in front of him were levitating - 
though we observers could see Derren himself simply lifting up and putting down 
the items. I can't see why a hypnotist couldn't persuade people that he was 
floating mid-air.
 

 That may not even be necessary: if Lenz was simply to give someone a 
post-hypnotic suggestion that they'd have the memory of having seen the master 
float - then induce amnesia of what was said during the hypnotic trance itself 
- the subject would faithfully recall the miraculous event. As 20 per cent of 
people are natural somnambulists, maybe Lenz selected from that group to be in 
his inner circle. Barry may not be naturally somnambulistic but as he's been 
into lots of weird shit he's probably trained himself to enter altered states.
 

 So I wonder if Barry recalls ever being formally hypnotised by Lenz?
 

 Maybe someone has another explanation?
 

 


 All I know is bawee picked the wrong person to cross. You are so far out of 
his league that it's almost criminal. Be gentle on him Seraphita, I know he 
ain't seen nothin' yet.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 11/20/2014 9:05 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
 >
 
   ...there are any number of channels and New Age-y types who claim there are 
multiple dimensions all over the place.
 


 >
 Thanks for posting this. You have really contributed a lot to this 
conversation. Very impressive. Good work. Apparently you are very familiar with 
this subject, one of the favorite themes in science fiction and fantasy, by 
some of our greatest writers.
 
 You do realize that one of the main supporters of the multiverse hypotheses is 
Stephen Hawking, right?
 

 Richard, evidently you ate your Wheaties this morning.

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I assumed it was current penitentiary inhabitant, azgrey. He and Barry have 
always been tight, with the exception that az doesn't believe Barry's dachshund 
is enlightened. It is causing a bit of friction...
 

 AZ has always come across as someone with cayenne up his ass. Maybe someone 
should advise him on how to remove it or, even, not place it there in the first 
place. It might actually make him a much less angry person. 
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A complete list of Barry Wright's supporters on Fairfieldlife

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 

 

 

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 Dear Jim, I have refrained from thinking about, responding to or reading 
anything to do with bawee lately. (Okay, Edg's post got me excited, I have to 
admit.) But I have finally figured it out; bawee does not actually exist. No 
one like the way he acts could possibly be real. He is a product of a few 
individuals who have created the equivalent of a sort of Frankensteinian 
patchwork of characteristics that don't quite meld and match and work together 
in a coordinated way. I mean, what red-blooded animated human being actually 
believes what he does and continues to express it so badly and so repetitively? 
Who would be willing to continue to illustrate what they thought they believed 
if they realized how others were perceiving them? You see, this 'creation' is a 
non-starter, he is a fiction, a badly-formed first attempt at a believable 
entity. Back to the drawing board boys. I have seen behind the curtain and it's 
not a pretty sight. The great and powerful Oz has spoken.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A complete list of Barry Wright's supporters on Fairfieldlife

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Actually I stand by Turquoiseb; some of us would be nothing on FFL if it were 
not for Turqb. Considering Turqb as a source it seems we have come to know him 
a lot better as time has gone along. He appears a sympathetic character as you 
come to understand his perspective. I always read his rants for the perspective 
they give even though they are often filled with negativity and denouncement.

-Buck in the Dome 

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[FairfieldLife] new report from Latin America

[srijau]

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Glad to hear it - I am a Red Box kind of guy, and will definitely grab a copy.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 11/20/2014 7:21 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 >
 
   Wasn't he walking his enlightened dog, too? Its a wonder he kept track of it 
all...


 >
 His dog is probably like Brian on The Family Guy - the smartest one in the 
whole house. 
 
 But I still don't get why Barry would post a review of a pirated copy of 
Intersteller that he watched on a 14 inch laptop, with Dutch captions. 
 
 We saw it on the IMAX screen in 70 mm in Dolby Surround Sound and it was 
great. 
 
 He didn't seem to enjoy the movie very much - something probably got lost in 
the translation. Go figure.
 >
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 that's cool, Michael. One of the informants here went in and out of dimensions 
while simply walking through the city in which he lives. 
 
 We were all so envious, wishing we could be special like that.
 
 
 The rest of us, sigh, can only take simple, uneventful walks, sigh.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:mjackson74@... wrote :
 
 

 There is no evidence for there being any multiverses 
 
 
 
 That's not true - there are any number of channels and New Age-y types who 
claim there are multiple dimensions all over the place.
 
 
 
 From: salyavin808  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide
 
 
   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:s3raphita@... wrote :
 
 Re "The multiverse is a theory . . . I don't see why atheists would use this 
theory to support their idea that there is no God.":
 
 
 

 There is no evidence for there being any multiverses - it is as much a leap of 
faith as believing in God. The "God option" really means you have trust in 
whatever is unfolding.
 
 
 There might be soon. David Deutsch, who runs the quantum computing lab at 
Oxford, makes the case that multiverse theories are the simplest way of 
explaining quantum theory. Most other physicists disagree due to lack of 
evidence but he intends to prove it using a virtual reality program of an atom 
running on a quantum computer. 
 
 
 I don't fully get what he's going on about but apparently there is a way that 
quantum computers can reveal how they work while they are doing computations 
about themselves (!), this will tell us a lot about what sort of universe we 
live in. All we need is a computer we don't have yet that exploits Qbits, the 
ability of things in the quantum world to be in potentially two, or more, 
places at once. But they are on the way. I get the impression that if he pulls 
it off he'll be the most famous scientist since Einstein but it's a long way 
away. But quantum computing is the future whatever it tells us.
 
 
 But as I said in another post, this in't the multiverse you are talking about 
but they might be provable - should they exist. Maybe cosmologists should just 
start again. Wouldn't be the first time...






 
 













 
 

[FairfieldLife] A complete list of Barry Wright's supporters on Fairfieldlife

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

 

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Now he is a science writer.
 

 Do you have a list of the books that Barry has had published? Are they 
available on Amazon? Perhaps all his literary endeavors are "works in progress" 
. . . 
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 11/20/2014 5:05 PM, jr_esq  wrote:
 >

 I think Barry is hallucinating most of the time.  That's why he's quoting some 
words which he thinks came from me.  
 >
 Maybe he is so desperate for attention that he felt he needed to make up 
stuff, to make himself look superior to everyone else. 
 >
 To tell you the truth, I have no idea where he got that crap from. >
 Maybe he felt that his writing just didn't stand on it's own, so he thought he 
would embellish his spiritual status. 
 >
  Similarly, he's more likely telling us the same thing about Lenz.  
 >
 He does seem to take a certain pride in his past spiritual endeavors. 
 >
 IOW he saw things that never occurred. >
 The problem is his cognitive dissonance. You know he probably once believed in 
Rama or he wouldn't have spent all that time following Lenz around and paying 
his hotel and airfare - and tithing 20% of his weekly paycheck to the group. 
 
 There's no way he is going to back down now, after investing so much.
 
 Barry was so far into the trance induction that he actually put up a whole web 
site dedicated to the teachings of Fred Lenz and invited us to view it - now he 
doesn't want to talk about it. Go figure.
 
 The funny thing about Barry is that he threw both of his teachers under the 
bus, just to get back at Judy. Now he is a science writer who doesn't even 
believe in the Big Bang.
 
 Barry seems to be so mixed up these days that I don't know how he even makes 
it to the local bar to get on the free Wi-Fi.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Honestly, I believe Barry to be incredibly naive, culturally unsophisticated, 
and with no greater than average intelligence. A perfect candidate for 
hypnosis, and/or mood-making, around all this levitation nonsense he has 
dreamed up. He cannot explain it, because it simply never happened. Poor guy. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 How do we explain Barry's conviction that he witnessed Lenz rise up from the 
ground?

 

 Premise 1: The laws of physics imply that levitation events as claimed by 
Barry are improbable-verging-on-the- impossible.

 Premise 2: Barry is not communicating with us from the padded cell of an 
institute for the incurably insane.
 Premise 3: One in five people are suitable subjects for deep-hypnosis 
experiences.

 Premise 4: Frederick Lenz was a hypnotist. (This seems likely in view of the 
testimony of ex-followers who do claim that Lenz could use mass hypnosis.)

 

 

 It's commonplace in hypnosis work to induce negative and positive visual 
hallucinations - I've seen Derren Brown convince someone that he (Derren) was 
invisible and that objects moving around in front of him were levitating - 
though we observers could see Derren himself simply lifting up and putting down 
the items. I can't see why a hypnotist couldn't persuade people that he was 
floating mid-air.
 

 That may not even be necessary: if Lenz was simply to give someone a 
post-hypnotic suggestion that they'd have the memory of having seen the master 
float - then induce amnesia of what was said during the hypnotic trance itself 
- the subject would faithfully recall the miraculous event. As 20 per cent of 
people are natural somnambulists, maybe Lenz selected from that group to be in 
his inner circle. Barry may not be naturally somnambulistic but as he's been 
into lots of weird shit he's probably trained himself to enter altered states.
 

 So I wonder if Barry recalls ever being formally hypnotised by Lenz?
 

 Maybe someone has another explanation?
 

 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 7:21 PM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
>


Wasn't he walking his enlightened dog, too? Its a wonder he kept track 
of it all...



>
His dog is probably like Brian on /The Family Guy/ - the smartest one in 
the whole house.


But I still don't get why Barry would post a review of a pirated copy of 
/Intersteller/ that he watched on a 14 inch laptop, with Dutch captions.


We saw it on the IMAX screen in 70 mm in Dolby Surround Sound and it was 
great.


He didn't seem to enjoy the movie very much - something probably got 
lost in the translation. Go figure.

>



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

that's cool, Michael. One of the informants here went in and out of 
dimensions while simply walking through the city in which he lives.


We were all so envious, wishing we could be special like that.

The rest of us, sigh, can only take simple, uneventful walks, sigh.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


There is no evidence for there being any multiverses

That's not true - there are any number of channels and New Age-y types 
who claim there are multiple dimensions all over the place.



*From:* salyavin808 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:18 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Re"The multiverse is a theory . . . I don't see why atheists would use 
this theory to support their idea that there is no God.":



There is no evidence for there being any multiverses - it is as much a 
leap of faith as believing in God. The "God option" really means you 
have trust in whatever is unfolding.


There might be soon. David Deutsch, who runs the quantum computing lab 
at Oxford, makes the case that multiverse theories are the simplest 
way of explaining quantum theory. Most other physicists disagree due 
to lack of evidence but he intends to prove it using a virtual reality 
program of an atom running on a quantum computer.


I don't fully get what he's going on about but apparently there is a 
way that quantum computers can reveal how they work while they are 
doing computations about themselves (!), this will tell us a lot about 
what sort of universe we live in. All we need is a computer we don't 
have yet that exploits Qbits, the ability of things in the quantum 
world to be in potentially two, or more, places at once. But they are 
on the way. I get the impression that if he pulls it off he'll be the 
most famous scientist since Einstein but it's a long way away. But 
quantum computing is the future whatever it tells us.


But as I said in another post, this in't the multiverse you are 
talking about but they might be provable - should they exist. Maybe 
cosmologists should just start again. Wouldn't be the first time...

Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I assumed it was current penitentiary inhabitant, azgrey. He and Barry have 
always been tight, with the exception that az doesn't believe Barry's dachshund 
is enlightened. It is causing a bit of friction...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 BS was intentional. 

 Just in time for the holidays, Barry's new secretary!
 

 Do you think he chases her around the virtual desk?
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That's pretty funny, Share. 

 I imagine the exchange went something like this.
 

 Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.
 

 BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't 
like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate "believers" 
about.
 

 BS: But sir, I think..
 

 BW: Okay, what is it already!
 

 BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious 
of his enlightenment.
 

 BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you for?  Let 
me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any 
other developments along these lines.  I have a reputation to uphold!
 

 BS: Yes sir.
 

 Nice dialogue. Is it a coincidence that bawee's secretary's initials are "BS"? 
I think bawee's BS is all in his mind, just an excuse to be able to hurl some 
usual vitriol Jim's way. This just gets better and better. The longer I sit 
back and watch the funnier it gets.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!
 

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife  
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
 
 
   
 I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux 
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. 
The quote was:
 

"Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened 
state."
 

 I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, 
"Atheists are really angry at God" quote. That one was laughable because he 
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are "really" 
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing 
could *possibly* be more stupid than that. 

 

 But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)
 

 The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED 
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. 

 

 Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* 
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent 
turnips.  :-)  :-)  :-)
 

 Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way "envious" of your "enlightened state." 
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.  

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 5:05 PM, jr_esq  wrote:
>
I think Barry is hallucinating most of the time.  That's why he's 
quoting some words which he thinks came from me.

>
/Maybe he is so desperate for attention that he felt he needed to make 
up stuff, to make himself look superior to everyone else.

>
/
To tell you the truth, I have no idea where he got that crap from. 

>
/Maybe he felt that his writing just didn't stand on it's own, so he 
thought he would embellish his spiritual status.

>
/

 Similarly, he's more likely telling us the same thing about Lenz.

>
/He does seem to take a certain pride in his past spiritual endeavors.
>
/

IOW he saw things that never occurred.

>
/The problem is his cognitive dissonance. You know he probably once 
believed in Rama or he wouldn't have spent all that time following Lenz 
around and paying his hotel and airfare - and tithing 20% of his weekly 
paycheck to the group. ///


There's no way he is going to back down now, after investing so much.

///Barry was so far into the trance induction that he actually put up a 
whole web site dedicated to the teachings of Fred Lenz and invited us to 
view it - now he doesn't want to talk about it. ///Go figure.///

//
//The funny thing about Barry is that he threw both of his teachers 
under the bus, just to get back at Judy. //Now he is a science writer 
who doesn't even believe in the Big Bang./


/Barry seems to be so mixed up these days that I don't know how he even 
makes it to the local bar to get on the free Wi-Fi./

Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Agreed, "Enlightenment" or anything else, can be a boogeyman for a person 
suffering depression. Add that to Edg's insight, that Barry trolls, so that 
others will expose his brokenness, and we've got a diagnosis. Not a pretty one, 
either.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Pearls of wisdom, here Richard.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 >
 The problem, Barry, isn't a belief or not, in "God", but whether or not you 
are in a state of depression and believe in nothing. This despair can lead to 
nihilism and even suicide - thinking there is no hope for yourself or for 
mankind.
 
 Try to think positive Barry - human-kind is our best hope for survival in a 
dangerous, uncertain materialistic world.
 
 You have to have faith in the goal of enlightenment, or there is no hope for 
the liberation of man from suffering.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Wasn't he walking his enlightened dog, too? Its a wonder he kept track of it 
all...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 that's cool, Michael. One of the informants here went in and out of dimensions 
while simply walking through the city in which he lives. 

 We were all so envious, wishing we could be special like that.
 

 The rest of us, sigh, can only take simple, uneventful walks, sigh.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 There is no evidence for there being any multiverses 

 

 That's not true - there are any number of channels and New Age-y types who 
claim there are multiple dimensions all over the place.

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re "The multiverse is a theory . . . I don't see why atheists would use this 
theory to support their idea that there is no God.":
 

 

 There is no evidence for there being any multiverses - it is as much a leap of 
faith as believing in God. The "God option" really means you have trust in 
whatever is unfolding.
 

 There might be soon. David Deutsch, who runs the quantum computing lab at 
Oxford, makes the case that multiverse theories are the simplest way of 
explaining quantum theory. Most other physicists disagree due to lack of 
evidence but he intends to prove it using a virtual reality program of an atom 
running on a quantum computer. 
 

 I don't fully get what he's going on about but apparently there is a way that 
quantum computers can reveal how they work while they are doing computations 
about themselves (!), this will tell us a lot about what sort of universe we 
live in. All we need is a computer we don't have yet that exploits Qbits, the 
ability of things in the quantum world to be in potentially two, or more, 
places at once. But they are on the way. I get the impression that if he pulls 
it off he'll be the most famous scientist since Einstein but it's a long way 
away. But quantum computing is the future whatever it tells us.
 

 But as I said in another post, this in't the multiverse you are talking about 
but they might be provable - should they exist. Maybe cosmologists should just 
start again. Wouldn't be the first time...



 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for those who believe in God

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense of 
loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in 
one?
 

 We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever. 
 

 Of course it would have no impact for non-theists! What a dumb comparison. The 
corresponding question for *non-theists* should be: "If you were to find out 
for sure that there IS a God, would you feel a sense of loss, as if your life 
had been diminished in some way or wasted not believing in one?" 
 How would you answer that?
 

 If your answer to the question is "Yes," it seems to me that your faith in God 
is based on habit, neediness and fear, not on any kind of positive belief. 
 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

BS was intentional. 

 Just in time for the holidays, Barry's new secretary!
 

 Do you think he chases her around the virtual desk?
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That's pretty funny, Share. 

 I imagine the exchange went something like this.
 

 Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.
 

 BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't 
like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate "believers" 
about.
 

 BS: But sir, I think..
 

 BW: Okay, what is it already!
 

 BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious 
of his enlightenment.
 

 BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you for?  Let 
me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any 
other developments along these lines.  I have a reputation to uphold!
 

 BS: Yes sir.
 

 Nice dialogue. Is it a coincidence that bawee's secretary's initials are "BS"? 
I think bawee's BS is all in his mind, just an excuse to be able to hurl some 
usual vitriol Jim's way. This just gets better and better. The longer I sit 
back and watch the funnier it gets.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!
 

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife  
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
 
 
   
 I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux 
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. 
The quote was:
 

"Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened 
state."
 

 I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, 
"Atheists are really angry at God" quote. That one was laughable because he 
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are "really" 
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing 
could *possibly* be more stupid than that. 

 

 But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)
 

 The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED 
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. 

 

 Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* 
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent 
turnips.  :-)  :-)  :-)
 

 Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way "envious" of your "enlightened state." 
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.  

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

perhaps your greatest fault, Barry. 

 Your jokes are just so, stale!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Especially for Sal and Turq!!
 

 OK, I confess. I'm really a Born Again Muslim Scientologist who believes a 
giant, immortal extraterrestrial octopus teamed up with the One True God and 
invented karma and astrology so that we can avoid the fires of Hell when our 
opponent, the Christian One True God, stakes a claim on my eternal soul before 
I get to the Nirvana room of the many afterlife's that I also believe I'll go 
to before my next life on this plane of bliss if I don't attain a particular 
state of unconsciousness. 
 

 I've just been embarrassed to admit it, stuck in a foxhole as I am... Have a 
yagya on me!
 

 I can top that. I don't believe in God because I AM GOD. 

 

 I just don't believe that you guys exist. 

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Barry, the somnambulist [1 Attachment]

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 4:32 PM, s3raphita wrote:
>
How do we explain Barry's conviction that he witnessed Lenz rise up 
from the ground?

>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Obama legalizing undocumented Democrats

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 5:30 PM, wgm4u wrote:

Are ya happy now Democrats?

>
/The point I was trying to make, Billy, is that there are more foreign 
workers legalized than there are jobs created. Anyone can do the math.


We elected a guy as president who had no experience at anything. Go 
figure.//

//
//http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/20/obamas-amnesty-will-add-as-many-foreign-workers-as-new-jobs-since-2009//

Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

or, or, or, maybe baby Michael has only babyfied understanding of what 
it entails.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Its interesting that so many people today who think Marshy was enlightened and 
who believe that TM can bring one to enlightenment do not seem to accept his 
very clear definition of enlightenment which he laid out in both his Gita 
blabber and his so-called Science of Being. They seem to want to find some 
OTHER definition of enlightenment that suits them better, like these Adyashanti 
types who seem to define enlightenment as pretty much whatever you want it to 
mean so they can claim the crown and get followers. 
 

 From: "Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 11:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor
 
 
   
 I think this brings up an interesting point. How does one define 
'enlightenment'. The most overreaching attempts include the entire universe as 
a connected unity, and that would imply simply that all that exists is what 
enlightenment is about. If you include everything you cannot define 
enlightenment as A, B, C minus some bad parts you do not like. So if, 
simplistically the universe is A, B, C, X, Y, and Z, you have to include them 
all. There is a phrase in Zen 'walk off with the farmer's ox, steal the blind 
man's food', which is an expression of unboundedness. This is kind of how the 
TMO behaves. From my perspective, enlightenment does not have any injunctions 
on behaviour in spite of advertisements to the contrary, all enlightenment does 
is reveal the connectedness of the universe, and if you want to be a 'good 
person', first you have to define what a good person is, and then you have to 
act that way, and that is a local phenomenon, an aspect of the universe far 
reduced from the whole. You could be enlightened and a criminal. If you listen 
to Charles Manson (I saw that picture online too), while he seems sort of 
crazy, he also often expresses unboundedness in his understanding of the world.
 

 Religions, which presumably have some connexion with the idea of enlightenment 
have all these rules for governing behaviour, and the question one could ask 
is, if religion is so great and will straighten people out, why are these rules 
necessary? (and one could also ask why are the rules inconsistent between 
religions regarding behaviour). If you say god created the universe and the way 
it runs, then the universe is a serial killer. Like father, like son and 
daughter. Looking at religious figures, gurus, etc., one cannot conclude that 
these rules and enlightenment techniques substantially affect behaviour that we 
would call 'bad'. This issue of behaviour is one which we in civilised society 
do not seem to have much of a clue on how to solve, and all the methods we have 
invented to fix it have failed.
 

 How do you traverse society without leaving mangled bodies, psychologically 
damaged bodies, emotionally damaged bodies,  in your wake? There does not seem 
to be a direct connexion with seeing the world as unbounded, and acting in it 
in a bound way unless there is an internal switch that pains you if you cause 
harm. Some people do not seem to have that switch (sociopaths and psychopaths), 
or a 'damaged' switch and have reduced empathy. Some people are crushed by 
having too much empathy. If you eliminate pain and suffering from your own 
life, will you care about others if life no longer pains you? There seems to be 
a variable in all this that is not accounted for and which does not seem to be 
affected much by the things people do in the hope of gaining enlightenment.
 

 An example of unboundedness and unity from the Bible. Isaiah, in a literal 
translation (bolded are words in original Hebrew).
 

 Except for me, there is no Elohim; I am forearming you, yet you do not know 
me, That they may know, From the rising of the sun and from the west, that 
there is no one apart from me; I am Yahweh, and there is no other.  Former of 
light and creator of darkness, maker of good and creator of evil, I, Yahweh, 
make all these.
 
 

 Here you have all the darkness you would want emanating from the supposed 
source of creation (a great way to express narcissism too). There are similar 
passage in the Bhagavad-Gita. If everything, good and bad are integral in 
existence and are sourced from the same origin or have the same being, and we 
come to direct knowledge of that, what is to prevent us from being all those 
qualities that (some) people abhor?
 

 
 Light is the left hand of darkness
 and darkness the right hand of light.
 Two are one, life and death, lying
 together like lovers in kemmer,
 like hands joined together,
 like the end and the way.

  —Ursula K. Le Guin

 


 


 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:05 PM
 S

[FairfieldLife] Anti-GMO becomes Pro-GMO

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

that's cool, Michael. One of the informants here went in and out of dimensions 
while simply walking through the city in which he lives. 

 We were all so envious, wishing we could be special like that.
 

 The rest of us, sigh, can only take simple, uneventful walks, sigh.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 There is no evidence for there being any multiverses 

 

 That's not true - there are any number of channels and New Age-y types who 
claim there are multiple dimensions all over the place.

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re "The multiverse is a theory . . . I don't see why atheists would use this 
theory to support their idea that there is no God.":
 

 

 There is no evidence for there being any multiverses - it is as much a leap of 
faith as believing in God. The "God option" really means you have trust in 
whatever is unfolding.
 

 There might be soon. David Deutsch, who runs the quantum computing lab at 
Oxford, makes the case that multiverse theories are the simplest way of 
explaining quantum theory. Most other physicists disagree due to lack of 
evidence but he intends to prove it using a virtual reality program of an atom 
running on a quantum computer. 
 

 I don't fully get what he's going on about but apparently there is a way that 
quantum computers can reveal how they work while they are doing computations 
about themselves (!), this will tell us a lot about what sort of universe we 
live in. All we need is a computer we don't have yet that exploits Qbits, the 
ability of things in the quantum world to be in potentially two, or more, 
places at once. But they are on the way. I get the impression that if he pulls 
it off he'll be the most famous scientist since Einstein but it's a long way 
away. But quantum computing is the future whatever it tells us.
 

 But as I said in another post, this in't the multiverse you are talking about 
but they might be provable - should they exist. Maybe cosmologists should just 
start again. Wouldn't be the first time...



 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Uh, Michael, remember, you did talk in detail about your enlightenment, and all 
the great experiences you had practicing the technique until you remembered, 
"hey, I'm supposed to be Mr. Negative about TM, oops" 

 That was kinda cute when you did that.
 

 We got to witness the Great Retraction, which took about three days, and ten 
pages.
 

 Can we get treated to that again?
 

 Pretty please?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So Buck as long as someone talks the talk, you just take him at his word? 
Shit, I screwed up - I should have  claimed the same blabber when I first got 
on FFL, claimed enlightenment and done a "Meet the Enlightened Guy Tour" in 
Fairfield and cleaned all your wallets out. Lesson learned.

 

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 
 
   
 Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of him. 
 

 Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass, 
thanks.  :-)  :-)  :-)

 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 
 
   
 I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts. I can relate to 
what he is talking about by experience. He is very clear and accurate in his 
writings. You seem threatened by his writing. -Buck
 

turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES 
HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for 
being enlightened.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That's pretty funny, Share. 

 I imagine the exchange went something like this.
 

 Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.
 

 BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't 
like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate "believers" 
about.
 

 BS: But sir, I think..
 

 BW: Okay, what is it already!
 

 BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious 
of his enlightenment.
 

 BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you for?  Let 
me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any 
other developments along these lines.  I have a reputation to uphold!
 

 BS: Yes sir.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!
 

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife  
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
 
 
   
 I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux 
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. 
The quote was:
 

"Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened 
state."
 

 I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, 
"Atheists are really angry at God" quote. That one was laughable because he 
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are "really" 
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing 
could *possibly* be more stupid than that. 

 

 But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)
 

 The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED 
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. 

 

 Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* 
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent 
turnips.  :-)  :-)  :-)
 

 Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way "envious" of your "enlightened state." 
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.  

 


















 












 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Pearls of wisdom, here Richard.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 >
 The problem, Barry, isn't a belief or not, in "God", but whether or not you 
are in a state of depression and believe in nothing. This despair can lead to 
nihilism and even suicide - thinking there is no hope for yourself or for 
mankind.
 
 Try to think positive Barry - human-kind is our best hope for survival in a 
dangerous, uncertain materialistic world.
 
 You have to have faith in the goal of enlightenment, or there is no hope for 
the liberation of man from suffering.  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Response to salyavin808
 

 Thanks for your considered replies.
 

 Re "I don't get why consciousness is reserved such a pedestal just because it 
is currently unexplained.":

 

 Lots of things are unexplained. But what they all have in common is that they 
are occurrences we witness *in consciousness* - the consciousness of you, me or 
scientists. What makes "awareness" itself unique is that in this case we are 
talking about what is registering all the other (explained or unexplained) 
phenomena. How we make the jump from an objective world *out there* to our 
experience of colour, sound, warmth, love, beauty, . . . , is a question of a 
completely different order than those other queries. We don't even know what 
kind of answer we're looking for. 
 

 If awareness is fundamental or basic, and so irreducible to other facts, that 
puzzlement over how to engage with the issue evaporates. From the get-go, 
consciousness is the *inner* aspect of what exists; just as space and time are 
the *outer* aspects. (Spinoza)
 

 Re "All design arguments are pointless because they require all the potential 
intelligence and complexity in the universe to have existed before the universe 
did because God must know what he wanted.":

 

 I no-doubt misled you by using the term "design argument". That's the label 
used for arguments which are sceptical of purely materialist explanations for 
how the order we see arose. I don't think "God" did know what He wanted in 
advance! God is better seen as the Supreme Artist. He didn't know how things 
would turn out in future; He's adapting the artwork as it evolves over time 
(see "process theology"). 
 

 (It would take the discussion too far afield but you have to distinguish 
between "God immanent" - Who is learning as He goes along; and "God 
transcendent" - to Whom all past, present and future "present moments" are 
available and so He knows that all things shall be well.)
 

 

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[FairfieldLife] Obama legalizing undocumented Democrats

[wgm4u]

Are ya happy now Democrats?
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Let me spell it out for you; I don't *need* to believe in God. (Just as I don't 
*need* to believe in immortality.) 
 I don't *need* to be around people who do believe in God - I'm actually a fan 
of those aggressive atheists who attack religion as most of what they say I 
agree with 100 per cent - and I enjoy a good argument.
 

 I have no emotional investment in the idea of belief whatsoever. The "God" 
hypothesis simply seems to make more sense to me of why we find ourselves in 
the situation we do find ourselves in. If the scientific-materialist worldview 
made more sense I'd willingly accept it.
 

 I use the word "God" as a convenient label. I'd be happier talking of "The 
Absolute" or "The One". It's the ground from which the figure emerges (in 
Gestalt-speak). In Roman philosopher Plotinus's take on the question of 
ultimate issues he regarded The One as having precisely zero interest in the 
affairs of humans; his was a purely philosophical concept (based on his own 
mystical experiences). I agree that many religious believers probably are 
seeking some kind of security blanket. But I'm not.
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 
 
   Re "You are far too subtle for him - and deep thinking. ":
 

 You also. I noticed from a previous post of yours (if I'm not misremembering) 
that you approved of David Bentley Hart's The Experience of God: Being, 
Consciousness, Bliss. Like you, I find that style of approaching the subject 
like mother's milk. You either get it, or you don't!
 

 

 S3raphita, if you and the Get Barry 'Bot are trying to imply that I would 
probably not be interested in the book you mention, you are correct. The very 
title makes me want to throw up in my mouth a little :-), because it's so 
obviously a Sales Pitch For The Belief In God. Not interested. I can think of 
no reading material that I would consider more of a waste of my time.
 

 I see such books -- and the people who try to press them on me -- a lot like a 
salesman at an Outdoor Outfitter's store to which I have gone to buy supplies 
for a mountain-climbing expedition. I've already bought everything I actually 
need, but now the salesman is trying to sell me a 12-inch-high stone statue of 
his favorite God. The conversation goes something like this:

 - "Why on earth would I want this?"
 - "Because it's a representation of God, and if you carry it and believe in 
it, God will keep you safe."
 - "Uh huh. So if I carry this God of yours and talk to it, it'll answer me 
back and tell me the best path up the mountain?"
 - "Well, no...it won't actually talk back to you, but it'll give you the faith 
to choose the Right Path."
 - "I've got a map for that, and it weighs less than an ounce. How much does 
this invaluable statue/belief system you're trying to sell me weigh?"
 - "About two pounds. And worth every ounce." 

 - "No thanks."
 

 An interest in "God" or reading about a hypothetical one just isn't my cuppa 
tea. I consider it a pastime for Weak People, who seem to feel that they *NEED* 
some kinda God to explain the universe around them. I don't, so why should I 
read books about this concept by Weak People, written for other Weak People? If 
I am in the mood for poetry, I'll read some real poetry, not that weak, 
namby-pamby stuff in so-called "scriptures" that people claim is poetry. If I 
want adventure, I'll read a good adventure book, either fiction or non-fiction. 
And if I want something to inspire me with new ideas, I'll read a book full of 
ideas that have some relationship to reality and the real world. I am very 
pragmatic these days and have almost no interest in the purely theoretical, 
considering it largely a Waste Of Time. 







 

 Bottom line is that while I think it's just swell if people like to believe in 
this made-up thing they call God, I bristle at them trying to convince me there 
is one and that I should believe in it, too. That strikes me as *the whole 
problem* with believers -- their belief makes them so WEAK that they can't bear 
to be around people who don't believe in the same made-up God that they do. 
They seem to need the "strength in numbers" that they find when surrounded by 
only people who believe the same things they do. So they start wars and 
Inquisitions to *force* everyone to believe in it. Or they write books to try 
to sell the idea. Either way, it's just old and boring and I, for one, have 
better things to do with my time. 

 

 To quote you, you either get this or you don't. :-) 

 

 Don't mind bawee, Seraphita, his head still burns from the scorching Edg gave 
him the other day. He doesn't like it when smarter, much smarter, people than 
himself dress him down so soundly. That and that picture Jim posted of him is 
still really, really bugging him. I wonder if bawee's BS will notify him of my 
post here. Oh yea, bawee doesn't have a BS, he is just full of it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Barry, the somnambulist

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

S3, 

 I think Barry is hallucinating most of the time.  That's why he's quoting some 
words which he thinks came from me.  To tell you the truth, I have no idea 
where he got that crap from.  Similarly, he's more likely telling us the same 
thing about Lenz.  IOW he saw things that never occurred.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 How do we explain Barry's conviction that he witnessed Lenz rise up from the 
ground?

 

 Premise 1: The laws of physics imply that levitation events as claimed by 
Barry are improbable-verging-on-the- impossible.

 Premise 2: Barry is not communicating with us from the padded cell of an 
institute for the incurably insane.
 Premise 3: One in five people are suitable subjects for deep-hypnosis 
experiences.

 Premise 4: Frederick Lenz was a hypnotist. (This seems likely in view of the 
testimony of ex-followers who do claim that Lenz could use mass hypnosis.)

 

 

 It's commonplace in hypnosis work to induce negative and positive visual 
hallucinations - I've seen Derren Brown convince someone that he (Derren) was 
invisible and that objects moving around in front of him were levitating - 
though we observers could see Derren himself simply lifting up and putting down 
the items. I can't see why a hypnotist couldn't persuade people that he was 
floating mid-air.
 

 That may not even be necessary: if Lenz was simply to give someone a 
post-hypnotic suggestion that they'd have the memory of having seen the master 
float - then induce amnesia of what was said during the hypnotic trance itself 
- the subject would faithfully recall the miraculous event. As 20 per cent of 
people are natural somnambulists, maybe Lenz selected from that group to be in 
his inner circle. Barry may not be naturally somnambulistic but as he's been 
into lots of weird shit he's probably trained himself to enter altered states.
 

 So I wonder if Barry recalls ever being formally hypnotised by Lenz?
 

 Maybe someone has another explanation?
 

 


 

[FairfieldLife] Barry, the somnambulist

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

How do we explain Barry's conviction that he witnessed Lenz rise up from the 
ground?

 

 Premise 1: The laws of physics imply that levitation events as claimed by 
Barry are improbable-verging-on-the- impossible.

 Premise 2: Barry is not communicating with us from the padded cell of an 
institute for the incurably insane.
 Premise 3: One in five people are suitable subjects for deep-hypnosis 
experiences.

 Premise 4: Frederick Lenz was a hypnotist. (This seems likely in view of the 
testimony of ex-followers who do claim that Lenz could use mass hypnosis.)

 

 

 It's commonplace in hypnosis work to induce negative and positive visual 
hallucinations - I've seen Derren Brown convince someone that he (Derren) was 
invisible and that objects moving around in front of him were levitating - 
though we observers could see Derren himself simply lifting up and putting down 
the items. I can't see why a hypnotist couldn't persuade people that he was 
floating mid-air.
 

 That may not even be necessary: if Lenz was simply to give someone a 
post-hypnotic suggestion that they'd have the memory of having seen the master 
float - then induce amnesia of what was said during the hypnotic trance itself 
- the subject would faithfully recall the miraculous event. As 20 per cent of 
people are natural somnambulists, maybe Lenz selected from that group to be in 
his inner circle. Barry may not be naturally somnambulistic but as he's been 
into lots of weird shit he's probably trained himself to enter altered states.
 

 So I wonder if Barry recalls ever being formally hypnotised by Lenz?
 

 Maybe someone has another explanation?
 

 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....

[lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife]]

Theory and belief aren't exactly the same thing, usually. 

 L
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The Type I multiverse isn't a belief, but merely the inescapable conclusion 
that you simply MUST draw given a few assumptions about the nature of the 
universe.
 

 If you have to rely on assumptions it is still "just" a theory. We simply 
don't know yet if the universe is infinite in extent.
 

 In a sense, a Type 1 multiverse is merely an extension of Bolzmann's Brain, 
which is where a nervous system spontaneously arises somewhere in the universe 
due to random quantum events that has an illusory past history that makes said 
nervous system believe that it is a typical living creature with a 
human/martian/vulcan/whatever background -at least for that brief instant 
before it expires due to lack of anything that would normally keep such a 
nervous system alive.

 

 Futurama had at least one episode where the characters encounter an entire 
colony of such brains floating in space.

 

 In that case I believe it.
 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re "The multiverse is a theory . . . I don't see why atheists would use this 
theory to support their idea that there is no God.":
 

 The multiverse theory - the idea that there are a possibly infinite number of 
universes - is uncannily like the idea of the medieval scholastics that in God 
there were an infinite number of potential worlds that He(?) could actualize. 
The big difference - and it is a really, really big difference - is that in the 
multiverse theory all possible universes *must* exist - including the most 
hideous. For the theologians, God would *only* bring into existence those 
worlds he felt were good (good in the long run - and for the majority of us).
 

 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

 (Genesis 1:31)
 

 Also in this He shewed me a little thing, the quantity of an hazel-nut, in the 
palm of my hand; and it was as round as a ball. I looked thereupon with eye of 
my understanding, and thought: What may this be? And it was answered generally 
thus: It is all that is made. I marvelled how it might last, for methought it 
might suddenly have fallen to naught for little[ness]. And I was answered in my 
understanding: It lasteth, and ever shall [last] for that God loveth it. And so 
All-thing hath the Being by the love of God.

 (Julian of Norwich)
 

 There is no evidence for there being any multiverses - it is as much a leap of 
faith as believing in God. The "God option" really means you have trust in 
whatever is unfolding.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 8:42 AM, steve.sundur wrote:
>


maybe try skipping the gratuitous "slam" on occasion

(if you want a challenge, that is)

>
According to Barry's web site, Fred Lenz was /The Last Incarnation of 
Lord Vishnu/, so I guess Barry didn't skip the True Believer stage as he 
claims in this thread.


The real challenge is to figure out why Barry is so prone to tell fibs 
like this? He already invited us to read his book and view his web site. 
Go figure.


/"HIS BODY TURNED GOLD . . . . . . he began to shrink, then grow to 
tremendous heights. He raised his arms and a shower of energy rushed 
down onto us while lines of power pushed up through my spine. His body 
turned gold, then it turned into a doorway. It became an absence. I felt 
myself drawn into it and through it into other realities. I felt myself 
spinning, floating, turning in various directions, then expanding and 
contracting." - /Barry Wright/


*The Last Incarnation*
http://tinyurl.com/mh7o6jr/
>



*/Good for you. It would be easier for me because I skipped that 
annoying interim "belief" step.  :-)/*

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 8:57 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
>

So Buck as long as someone talks the talk, you just take him at his word?

>
/So, we are taking your word that you took a bus up to IA in the dead of 
winter, to live in a small pod, and that you learned on the job how to 
set tables in the campus cafeteria. You do kind of talk the talk, like a 
bus-boy. /

>
Shit, I screwed up - I should have  claimed the same blabber when I 
first got on FFL, claimed enlightenment and done a "Meet the 
Enlightened Guy Tour" in Fairfield

>
/You could have been anything when you first got on FFL, but you chose 
to act like a washed up, old red-neck bigot. Go figure./

>

and cleaned all your wallets out. Lesson learned.

>
/In your home computer repair business, is there a difference - if it 
ain't broke, fix it?/

[FairfieldLife] Re: There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Hey, Barry 

 You're completely clueless.  I've never said anything close to the one you 
quoted in this thread.  You're living in delusion, dude.  Perhaps you can learn 
something from Dubya, as shown here:
 

 Frank Caliendo bush collection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evIdgL8mJPM 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evIdgL8mJPM 
 
 Frank Caliendo bush collection https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evIdgL8mJPM 
lol. please rate and comment.
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evIdgL8mJPM 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 11/20/2014 9:17 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 >
 
   Dear Turq's secretary, please forward the following response (and his choice 
of puppy chow), to our common acquaintance: 
 

 >
 So, the bottom line is that being in an enlightened state is a subjective 
state that defies any material proof. Having said that, someone, anyone, please 
explain to me what Barry meant when he posted this message below, because now 
I'm getting confused and you don't want to confuse the willytex.
 
 "I cannot expect anyone else to believe that these experiences had anything to 
do with enlightenment. And I don't. Also, I might interpret the experiences in 
my own way, but that doesn't mean that anyone else hearing them can't, and 
won't, interpret them differently. That they do so doesn't mean that they're 
attacking me, merely that they see things a different way, from another point 
of view." - TurquoiseB 
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg96217.html 
http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg96217.html
 
 >
 

 Buck is not envious of me, nor is anyone else on this forum, except YOU. :-) 
:-) :-) 
 

 The question (for you) is, WHY?
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :

 
 Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of him. 
 
 
 Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass, 
thanks.  :-)  :-)  :-)
 
 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
mailto:dhamiltony2k5@...[FairfieldLife]  
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 
 
   I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts. I can relate 
to what he is talking about by experience. He is very clear and accurate in his 
writings. You seem threatened by his writing. -Buck
 
 
 turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO 
BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of 
him for being enlightened.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 That's pretty funny, Share. 
 
 I imagine the exchange went something like this.
 
 
 Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.
 
 
 BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't 
like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate "believers" 
about.
 
 
 BS: But sir, I think..
 
 
 BW: Okay, what is it already!
 
 
 BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious 
of his enlightenment.
 
 
 BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you for?  Let 
me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any 
other developments along these lines.  I have a reputation to uphold!
 
 
 BS: Yes sir.
 

 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!
 
 
 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife  
mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
 
 
   I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux 
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. 
The quote was:
 
 
"Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened 
state."
 
 
 I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, 
"Atheists are really angry at God" quote. That one was laughable because he 
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are "really" 
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing 
could *possibly* be more stupid than that. 
 
 
 
 But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)
 
 
 The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED 
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. 
 
 
 
 Did these people spend their time in meditation

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 9:05 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
...there are any number of channels and New Age-y types who claim 
there are multiple dimensions all over the place.

>
/Thanks for posting this. You have really contributed a lot to this 
conversation. Very impressive. Good work. Apparently you are very 
familiar with this subject, one of the favorite themes in science 
fiction and fantasy, by some of our greatest writers.


You do realize that one of the main supporters of the multiverse 
hypotheses is Stephen Hawking, right?///

>



*From:* salyavin808 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:18 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Re"The multiverse is a theory . . . I don't see why atheists would use 
this theory to support their idea that there is no God.":



There is no evidence for there being any multiverses - it is as much a 
leap of faith as believing in God. The "God option" really means you 
have trust in whatever is unfolding.


There might be soon. David Deutsch, who runs the quantum computing lab 
at Oxford, makes the case that multiverse theories are the simplest 
way of explaining quantum theory. Most other physicists disagree due 
to lack of evidence but he intends to prove it using a virtual reality 
program of an atom running on a quantum computer.


I don't fully get what he's going on about but apparently there is a 
way that quantum computers can reveal how they work while they are 
doing computations about themselves (!), this will tell us a lot about 
what sort of universe we live in. All we need is a computer we don't 
have yet that exploits Qbits, the ability of things in the quantum 
world to be in potentially two, or more, places at once. But they are 
on the way. I get the impression that if he pulls it off he'll be the 
most famous scientist since Einstein but it's a long way away. But 
quantum computing is the future whatever it tells us.


But as I said in another post, this in't the multiverse you are 
talking about but they might be provable - should they exist. Maybe 
cosmologists should just start again. Wouldn't be the first time...

Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 10:18 AM, Share Long wrote:
>
Nice, Richard, thanks, makes me realize that probably most of us 
theists are using inference and verbal testimony.

>
/So, there are three valid means of knowledge (epistemology): we see and 
hear things; we are told or read about things; and other things we infer 
based on our experience.


For example, we sense with our eyes that all things fall down. So, we 
infer that there is gravitas ///and there is order in the cosmos /. When 
we are born we know next to nothing, so, we go out and find a teacher - 
verbal testimony.


A//ccording to the ancient Indian tradition, there is another valid 
means of knowledge: transcendental knowledge - a knowledge that is 
beyond the senses.


Transcendental, not in the Aristotelian view of God as the prime mover, 
but a non-material self-consciousness that is knowing itself. A 
cognitive faculty that exists a priori to experience of sense objects. 
Transcendental knowledge is knowledge that enables our mind to 
understand and experience objects in the first place.

>
/



*From:* "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 10:14 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God

On 11/20/2014 9:57 AM, Share Long wrote:
>
I'm not sure what turq finds so annoying about "belief." Heck, if we 
didn't have beliefs, we'd have to learn everything all over every 
single day. For example, when I cross the busy intersection while 
walking to the post office, I believe the cars will obey the red 
light. I don't know 100% for sure that they will. But I think they 
will based on past experience. Except past experience also includes 
seeing many a dingbat run the red light! I think belief is what we do 
all day long simply because we can't know anything for sure until 
AFTER it has happened. d even then, our perceptions are skewed by the 
state of our nervous system. 

>
/Probably none of us have been up in space so we could witness the 
curvature of the earth first-hand. So, we take the verbal testimony of 
others that the earth is spherical in shape.


There is no a priori knowledge that we are born with. We know very 
little when we are born - so we must learn almost everything we know 
from our teachers.//The question is: what are the valid means of 
knowledge?//

//
/

  * /Sense perception/
  * /Inference./
  * /Verbal testimony/

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

And the South will rise again? :-D

On 11/20/2014 09:57 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:


/If President Obama goes through with this //executive action on 
immigration the predictions are that the federal government will be 
shut down and he will be sued by the Attorney General of the State of 
Texas.


/http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/rick-perry-says-texas-may-sue-obama-over-immigration-action-n252046
>
On 11/20/2014 9:17 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
>
The difference between those Republican presidents and Obama is that 
the Congress passed a bi-partison bill , which Reagan and Bush 
41 signed, making it law. Obama seems to be creating *his* own law 
without congressional(the peoples representatives) approval or 
oversite. He's doing something, he said repeatedly, that he couldn't 
do by virtue of our constitution. 100% but it can be made so frustrating to get through that few would 
even bother to try.  A border fence(physical) along with an 
electronic *fence*(motion detectors) with a rapid response team for 
pick up and removal to a *Joe Arpiao-esq* prison would discourage all 
but the hardcorp. E-verify would leave employers and renters, no 
excuses for hiring the undocumented or renting them homes, who could 
then be heavily penalized to the point of losing their business 
license. No more anchor babies, federal or state benefits and 
heavy taxing of one way money transfers to individuals south of the 
border of less than a thousand dollars. You would think that even the 
dumbest would realize *they don't want me there* unless I go 
through the legal process.



*From:* "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:37 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for 
America, revealed


On 11/16/2014 8:33 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
>
The dude who started it was Reagan, granting amnesty to 25 million 
illegals. Funny that now everyone sees it as a Democratic strategy.

>
/It is kind of weird that it was two Republican presidents that 
authorized immigrant status for millions of unauthorized immigrants 
to live in the U.S. It is also funny that Obama said he didn't have 
the authority to do the same thing. It looks like a lot of people are 
confused about this issue. //

//
//Obviously we can never seal the U.S. border - the best solution is 
to put more pressure on the sources of employment in the U.S. That 
way, there would be no reason to come here if there were no jobs 
available. Bottom line is that the Mexican and Central American 
economy needs to improve. The problem with that is that Mexico is on 
the verge of being a lawless country run by drug cartels - Americans 
are the big customers. Go figure./

>



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
,  
 wrote :


The *children* will probably be granted refuge status which means 
their parents, brothers and sisters will naturally be allowed to 
join them here. Next, uncles, aunts, cousins and grandparents will 
then come. We might as well annex Central America. They will be 
given social security cards and green cards and have all access to 
every social program including Obama care( remember the congressman 
calling Obama a liar when he said they wouldn't qualify for it?) 
Black, teen and other unskilled citizen labor will continue to rise 
as will the cost of the *safety net*. School systems are already 
being stretched beyond their budgets to make accommodations, 
including cutting out sports teams, bands etc.



*From:* "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 


*Sent:* Saturday, November 15, 2014 5:39 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for 
America, revealed


On 11/15/2014 3:15 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>
Leave's out  "buy American assets for pennies on the dollar."  Kos 
is apparently not liberal enough or not too smart about economics. 
Randi Rhodes (now retired) used point that out all the time and 
I've been saying it for years.  Maybe it sounds "too conspiratorial."

>
/Non sequitur. It's all about the economy and whether or not you 
have a job and a 401k. //The US does not have a shortage of workers. 
It has a shortage of jobs - that's the important issue - the people 
have spoken.


"The irresponsible immigration policy has created a surplus of 
workers. Illegal alien amnesty will make that surplus much worse. 
Legalize twelve million illegal aliens and another twelve million 
will come."//

//
//http://tinyurl.com/qekqbeb/
>


On 11/15/2014 12:48 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... 
 [FairfieldLife] w

[FairfieldLife] Re: Save the Web!

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This is serious stuff! My deepest prayers go out to Mr. Thruxton, 
Frampton-upon-Severn, that he continues his critical work. Perhaps nearby 
birders, and/or knitting circles, could be pressed to the task, of aiding with 
the e-mail forwarding?? I DO think the price of 300 thousand pounds is a bit 
steep, especially with crumpets optional...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Had to look up the term punters - do you mean it in the sense of someone who 
gambles, is a paying customer or paying customer of a whore?
 

Number 2 for these purposes.
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:44 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I knew it! It was that picture you posted, where the hint of a tentacle could 
be seen, curling round the edge of your coffee cup - Exposed!!  

 PS heard the Nirvana room is closed for "renovation", 'til 2016 - bummer. 
Rumor has it that Krishna manifested all 6 million of His beings at once, and 
they trashed the place more thoroughly than Keith Moon at a Holiday Inn. Next 
door, at Samadhi might be your thing, though, if you like sensory deprivation 
tanks, and lots of black velvet...remember to tip generously. 

 Aw, you mean I've got to stay alive for 2 more years to get the room I want? 
How irritatingly inconvenient. I might skip the whole thing and go straight to 
rebirth. With all my accumulated spiritual wisdom [ahem] I'm a shoo-in for the 
top job in Neo Hinduism. I could combine physics and spirituality to make money 
out of gullible punters, oops, I mean my beloved flock could give generously to 
create Heaven on Earth. Maybe I'd better work on the slogans for a bit 
longer... Samadhi it is!
 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Especially for Sal and Turq!!
 

 OK, I confess. I'm really a Born Again Muslim Scientologist who believes a 
giant, immortal extraterrestrial octopus teamed up with the One True God and 
invented karma and astrology so that we can avoid the fires of Hell when our 
opponent, the Christian One True God, stakes a claim on my eternal soul before 
I get to the Nirvana room of the many afterlife's that I also believe I'll go 
to before my next life on this plane of bliss if I don't attain a particular 
state of unconsciousness. 
 

 I've just been embarrassed to admit it, stuck in a foxhole as I am... Have a 
yagya on me!
 

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Had to look up the term punters - do you mean it in the sense of someone who 
gambles, is a paying customer or paying customer of a whore?

  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:44 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I knew it! It was that picture you posted, where the hint of a tentacle could 
be seen, curling round the edge of your coffee cup - Exposed!! 
PS heard the Nirvana room is closed for "renovation", 'til 2016 - bummer. Rumor 
has it that Krishna manifested all 6 million of His beings at once, and they 
trashed the place more thoroughly than Keith Moon at a Holiday Inn. Next door, 
at Samadhi might be your thing, though, if you like sensory deprivation tanks, 
and lots of black velvet...remember to tip generously.
Aw, you mean I've got to stay alive for 2 more years to get the room I want? 
How irritatingly inconvenient. I might skip the whole thing and go straight to 
rebirth. With all my accumulated spiritual wisdom [ahem] I'm a shoo-in for the 
top job in Neo Hinduism. I could combine physics and spirituality to make money 
out of gullible punters, oops, I mean my beloved flock could give generously to 
create Heaven on Earth. Maybe I'd better work on the slogans for a bit 
longer... Samadhi it is!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Especially for Sal and Turq!!
OK, I confess. I'm really a Born Again Muslim Scientologist who believes a 
giant, immortal extraterrestrial octopus teamed up with the One True God and 
invented karma and astrology so that we can avoid the fires of Hell when our 
opponent, the Christian One True God, stakes a claim on my eternal soul before 
I get to the Nirvana room of the many afterlife's that I also believe I'll go 
to before my next life on this plane of bliss if I don't attain a particular 
state of unconsciousness. 
I've just been embarrassed to admit it, stuck in a foxhole as I am... Have a 
yagya on me!

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 10:32 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
>


Hi, Just to tweak your story a bit, I wasn't born enlightened. I 
barely made it out alive, and it was awhile before I could breathe by 
myself (a couple of months, at least).



>
/The important thing is that you awakened from your slumber - that's 
what a Buddha does.

>
/


I like life infinitely better, now.


>
Yogis enjoy - ascetics suffer.
>

Enlightenment is not a static state, either, as you seem to imply.

>
/You're just trying to confuse us now, Jim - everyone knows that the 
Absolute is a static state - it's the relative gunas that move around, 
change and react to the other gunas./


/"Two birds sat on a tree; one ate the fruit, the other looked on." - 
Upanishads/

>
Just as there are techniques to increase our skill in any area of 
life, so it is with enlightenment,

>
/That's called "skill-in-action" - grounded in Being, then act. /
>

also - Unbounded awareness is not just a catch phrase.

>
/SBS said that Brahman is the already existent Light - it needs no other 
light for illumination. //According to Maharishi, TM meditation is NOT 
the cause of enlightenment - it merely provides the ideal opportunity 
for transcending./

>



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

On 11/20/2014 9:35 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:

>


No one is just spouting empty words, except you, and the one in
the dog house. I made the point a few weeks ago, when responding
to Curtis, that Enlightenment means success in the world, with
family, friends, career, finances, and general accomplishment of
desires. Enlightenment by itself means nothing to a householder.
Pure awareness, accompanying waking, sleeping, and dreaming,
brings success. I find it hilarious when I say this, and the
three of you clam up, like, wellclams.


>
/It's understandable that others might be JELLOS of your material
situation, Jim, but most normal people don't display such emotions
in public.

Years ago I stated that we are all enlightened at birth - all we
have to do is realize our own birthright. //There's really nothing
anyone can DO to get into the enlightened state - we are all born
with it, but we lose it very early on due to karmic circumstances.
All an individual can really do is try to provide for themselves
the ideal opportunity for the realization to dawn.
//
//Rita and I worked hard all our life to get where we are, to be
able to retire with a few bucks in the bank and enjoy life. All
our children are grown up now, so we feel we've done what had to
be done.

All along we've done the Work as householders, but w//e know that
we are only going to get as much enlightenment as we are going to
get. It's way too late for us to complain that others have more
than we do.

We believe in Life - what it does to you and what you do back. /
>


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

So Buck as long as someone talks the talk, you just take him at
his word? Shit, I screwed up - I should have  claimed the same
blabber when I first got on FFL, claimed enlightenment and done a
"Meet the Enlightened Guy Tour" in Fairfield and cleaned all your
wallets out. Lesson learned.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

OK, I confess. I'm really a Born Again Muslim Scientologist who 
believes a giant, immortal extraterrestrial octopus teamed up with the 
One True God and invented karma and astrology so that we can avoid the 
fires of Hell when our opponent, the Christian One True God, stakes a 
claim on my eternal soul before I get to the Nirvana room of the many 
afterlife's that I also believe I'll go to before my next life on this 
plane of bliss if I don't attain a particular state of unconsciousness.


I've just been embarrassed to admit it, stuck in a foxhole as I am... 
Have a yagya on me!

>
TurquoiseB wrote:
>

*I can top that. I don't believe in God because I AM GOD.
*
*
*
*I just don't believe that you guys exist. *

>
On 11/20/2014 11:43 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
>
I always suspected that I didn't exist, everything makes more sense if 
I don't - less physics required you see. The simplest explanation is 
always the best one

>
/Finally, some truth from these guys!

See, it's not really that difficult to be honest. Thanks - it makes 
everything really clear now. I like what you've posted in this 
confessional thread - only now I don't think I like your face./

>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 4:56 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Nay, this video production Turq is offering does not spur response 
towards action. It is just cute. It is quite time for people to rally 
and improve their way of lives. We all must get back to a carbon 
footprint of about an 1820 standard of GDC if this green planet is 
going to continue to host us and our children at all.



>
/You probably need to take a break from all your idealism, Buck. You do 
realize that the animals on the farms up there are probably putting put 
out more methane than a fleet of speeding cars through town.


There's a reason there hasn't been a recorded increase in the earth's 
atmosphere for 18 years, right? I'm not against reducing our carbon foot 
print, but not at the risk of wrecking the economy.


You need to realize that not everyone is as well off as you are, and 
some people need to make some money so they can feed themselves and 
their family, and keep a roof over their head.


It's no fun being in a recession, being so broke that you can't even 
afford to drive to a coffee shop to send a message to your internet 
friends or to LinkedIn./


>


It is just a matter of science fact. It is quite time that science 
drives public policy, not corporations and consumption. Slick produced 
Videos and then some professionally written technical excuses by 
corporate running dogs like this rot that comes in response from 
Leiden are not much more than the lackey work of anesthetizing the 
working masses towards their collective graves. It is come a time for 
a spiritual revolution for all humanity and for the good of all the 
life of the whole planet against all human activity that disrupts our 
atmosphere and climate. It is a thin atmosphere here and a very small 
element that regulates the temperature here. It is not enough to just 
sit by idly in coffee shops on the internet.


Jai Guru Dev,

-Buck


sharelong60@...> wrote :


Thanks, Mike, you got me rethinking this...


*From:* "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" 
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:01 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest

Funny thing is, the oil will flow one way or another.Does it make it's 
way  to refineries via a stable pipeline, one of thousands or by way 
of truck or train/. How many rail way accidents have we seen this past 
year involving the movement of oil?We see tanker cars off rail, 
spilling the crude, leaving a greater environmental mess to clean up, 
using tax dollars that could be used more productively.< Meanwhile, a 
female US senator is about to lose her job because  her party and 
President refuse to build the pipeline which offers high paying jobs, 
so sorely needed. These protests, great or small, puts Republicans in 
a very good light, fighting for more jobs against a president and 
party who don't care how people live but that they just get their 
vote.< An oil glut means greater competition for petroleum dollars. 
Fewer *bucks* for Arabs and Persians that would use those dollars to 
do harm. It means cheaper transportation for us and our goods that 
move about the country and world. It means more money in our pockets 
to do the things we want to do like buying that new mantra or that 
extra jar of Amrit or a PK package or even more research on more 
efficient energy sources and production. We just keep shooting 
ourselves in the foot to look like we *care*.





*From:* "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2014 6:02 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest

Thankfully there is currently a world glut of oil, which at least 
makes hugely expensive endeavors like drilling in the arctic, less 
profitable. On the other hand, having so much oil available also 
decreases the incentives to find alternative fuel sources.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


effective protest or not, I thought it was an extremely well done 
piece and made its point well.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :



*/*/More Effective Protest?  Ha, ha, ha.  That video is not going to 
affect GDC [Gross Domestic Consumption] or decrease the emission of 
heat-trapping gas anywhere except proly  increase the gross sales of 
LEGOS in the first-world this Christmas.-Buck /*/*

*/*/
/*/*
*/*/turquoiseb diverts :..create not only more gentle protests, /*but 
more effective ones, protests that actually work/*


Just let'em try to run that stinking global climate changing pipeline 
across the Global Country of World Peace here! They'll see a real 
fight then. I could empathize like with Obama in the position of our 
larger defense for instance having to send drones against such enemies 
out to destroy our rights and freedoms an

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 5:17 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
*/"Buck" is being a drama queen again. The video he is pooh-poohing 
*accomplished its purpose*, with no marches and no posturing in the 
streets. LEGO, a multi-billion-dollar company, took one look at how 
its association with Shell was perceived, and canceled that 
association forever. Greenpeace won, LEGO won, and Shell lost.

/*

>
/Your own company based in your own country failed against LEGO?

You know, Barry, you might not be so envious of Jim and his prosperity 
if you would just get a job and make some money. It's not a good sign 
when your enemy is one of your only employers. Speaking of posturing, 
how is that part-time science writing job working out for you?/

>
*/"Buck" seems to prefer making a bunch of noise and posturing about 
things, but accomplishing nothing -- all while claiming to be better 
than others who actually accomplish things. In other words, the same 
approach he's always taken to complaining about the TMO. /*

*/
/*
*/On another level, it is *ludicrous* for a loudmouth like "Buck" to 
talk about "action." The most he's ever done is bitch on the Internet, 
while hiding behind a pseudonym.

/*
*/
/*
*/REAL "taking action" would be talking in plain language (not the 
flowery blissninny-speak he prefers) in local newspapers and TV 
stations, under his *real name*, Doug Hamilton. Until that happens, I 
think we can safely dismiss "Buck" as just a posturing coward. /*

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

/If President Obama goes through with this //executive action on 
immigration the predictions are that the federal government will be shut 
down and he will be sued by the Attorney General of the State of Texas.


/http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/rick-perry-says-texas-may-sue-obama-over-immigration-action-n252046
>
On 11/20/2014 9:17 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
>
The difference between those Republican presidents and Obama is that 
the Congress passed a bi-partison bill , which Reagan and Bush 
41 signed, making it law. Obama seems to be creating *his* own law 
without congressional(the peoples representatives) approval or 
oversite. He's doing something, he said repeatedly, that he couldn't 
do by virtue of our constitution. but it can be made so frustrating to get through that few would even 
bother to try.  A border fence(physical) along with an electronic 
*fence*(motion detectors) with a rapid response team for pick up and 
removal to a *Joe Arpiao-esq* prison would discourage all but the 
hardcorp. E-verify would leave employers and renters, no excuses for 
hiring the undocumented or renting them homes, who could then be 
heavily penalized to the point of losing their business license. No 
more anchor babies, federal or state benefits and heavy taxing of one 
way money transfers to individuals south of the border of less than a 
thousand dollars. You would think that even the dumbest would realize 
*they don't want me there* unless I go through the legal process.



*From:* "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:37 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for 
America, revealed


On 11/16/2014 8:33 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
>
The dude who started it was Reagan, granting amnesty to 25 million 
illegals. Funny that now everyone sees it as a Democratic strategy.

>
/It is kind of weird that it was two Republican presidents that 
authorized immigrant status for millions of unauthorized immigrants to 
live in the U.S. It is also funny that Obama said he didn't have the 
authority to do the same thing. It looks like a lot of people are 
confused about this issue. //

//
//Obviously we can never seal the U.S. border - the best solution is 
to put more pressure on the sources of employment in the U.S. That 
way, there would be no reason to come here if there were no jobs 
available. Bottom line is that the Mexican and Central American 
economy needs to improve. The problem with that is that Mexico is on 
the verge of being a lawless country run by drug cartels - Americans 
are the big customers. Go figure./

>



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
,  
 wrote :


The *children* will probably be granted refuge status which means 
their parents, brothers and sisters will naturally be allowed to join 
them here. Next, uncles, aunts, cousins and grandparents will then 
come. We might as well annex Central America. They will be given 
social security cards and green cards and have all access to every 
social program including Obama care( remember the congressman calling 
Obama a liar when he said they wouldn't qualify for it?) Black, teen 
and other unskilled citizen labor will continue to rise as will the 
cost of the *safety net*. School systems are already being stretched 
beyond their budgets to make accommodations, including cutting out 
sports teams, bands etc.



*From:* "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 


*Sent:* Saturday, November 15, 2014 5:39 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for 
America, revealed


On 11/15/2014 3:15 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>
Leave's out  "buy American assets for pennies on the dollar."  Kos 
is apparently not liberal enough or not too smart about economics. 
Randi Rhodes (now retired) used point that out all the time and I've 
been saying it for years.  Maybe it sounds "too conspiratorial."

>
/Non sequitur. It's all about the economy and whether or not you have 
a job and a 401k. //The US does not have a shortage of workers. It 
has a shortage of jobs - that's the important issue - the people have 
spoken.


"The irresponsible immigration policy has created a surplus of 
workers. Illegal alien amnesty will make that surplus much worse. 
Legalize twelve million illegal aliens and another twelve million 
will come."//

//
//http://tinyurl.com/qekqbeb/
>


On 11/15/2014 12:48 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:
*/And it only takes up the top right corner of this cartoon from 
Daily Kos:/*


http://images.dailykos.com/images/115495/lightbox/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 9:17 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
>


Dear Turq's secretary, please forward the following response (and his 
choice of puppy chow), to our common acquaintance:



>
So, the bottom line is that being in an enlightened state is a 
subjective state that defies any material proof. Having said that, 
someone, anyone, please explain to me what Barry meant when he posted 
this message below, because now I'm getting confused and you don't want 
to confuse the willytex.


/"I cannot expect anyone else to believe that these experiences had 
anything to do with enlightenment. And I don't. Also, I might interpret 
the experiences in my own way, but that doesn't mean that anyone else 
hearing them can't, and won't, interpret them differently. That they do 
so doesn't mean that they're attacking me, merely that they see things a 
different way, from another point of view." - /TurquoiseB


http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg96217.html

>


Buck is not envious of me, nor is anyone else on this forum, except 
YOU. :-) :-) :-)


The question (for you) is, WHY?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

*/Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be 
envious of him.

/*
*/
/*
*/Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, 
I'll pass, thanks. :-)  :-)  :-)/*



*From:* "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:01 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

**I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts.  I can relate 
to what he is talking about by experience.  He is very clear and accurate in 
his writings.  You seem threatened by his writing.  -Buck**
*//*
*/*/
/*/*
*/turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* 
WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am 
*envious* of him for being enlightened./*



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

That's pretty funny, Share.

I imagine the exchange went something like this.

Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.

BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I 
don't like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate 
"believers" about.


BS: But sir, I think..

BW: Okay, what is it already!

BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're 
envious of his enlightenment.


BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you 
for?  Let me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep 
me informed of any other developments along these lines.  I have a 
reputation to uphold!


BS: Yes sir.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!


*From:* "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife 
*Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!

*/I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The 
Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and 
laughed this hard. The quote was:/*

*/
/*
*"Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state."*
*/
/*
*/I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and 
clueless, "Atheists are really angry at God" quote. That one was 
laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't 
believe in a God are "really" angry at the being they don't believe 
exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more 
stupid than that.

/*
*/
/*
*/But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)/*
*/
/*
*/The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS 
ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him 
for being enlightened.

/*
*/
/*
*/Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What 
*happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met 
more intelligent turnips.  :-) :-)  :-)/*

*/
/*
*/Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way "envious" of your "enlightened 
state." You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.

/*
*/
/*

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I knew it! It was that picture you posted, where the hint of a tentacle could 
be seen, curling round the edge of your coffee cup - Exposed!!  

 PS heard the Nirvana room is closed for "renovation", 'til 2016 - bummer. 
Rumor has it that Krishna manifested all 6 million of His beings at once, and 
they trashed the place more thoroughly than Keith Moon at a Holiday Inn. Next 
door, at Samadhi might be your thing, though, if you like sensory deprivation 
tanks, and lots of black velvet...remember to tip generously. 

 Aw, you mean I've got to stay alive for 2 more years to get the room I want? 
How irritatingly inconvenient. I might skip the whole thing and go straight to 
rebirth. With all my accumulated spiritual wisdom [ahem] I'm a shoo-in for the 
top job in Neo Hinduism. I could combine physics and spirituality to make money 
out of gullible punters, oops, I mean my beloved flock could give generously to 
create Heaven on Earth. Maybe I'd better work on the slogans for a bit 
longer... Samadhi it is!
 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Especially for Sal and Turq!!
 

 OK, I confess. I'm really a Born Again Muslim Scientologist who believes a 
giant, immortal extraterrestrial octopus teamed up with the One True God and 
invented karma and astrology so that we can avoid the fires of Hell when our 
opponent, the Christian One True God, stakes a claim on my eternal soul before 
I get to the Nirvana room of the many afterlife's that I also believe I'll go 
to before my next life on this plane of bliss if I don't attain a particular 
state of unconsciousness. 
 

 I've just been embarrassed to admit it, stuck in a foxhole as I am... Have a 
yagya on me!
 

 

ATHEISTS DON'T EXIST! (ft. Jaclyn Glenn) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k  
  
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k
  
  
  
  
  
 ATHEISTS DON'T EXIST! (ft. Jaclyn Glenn) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k

 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkjIqC_H_k
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: salyavin808 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Especially for Sal and Turq!!
 

 OK, I confess. I'm really a Born Again Muslim Scientologist who believes a 
giant, immortal extraterrestrial octopus teamed up with the One True God and 
invented karma and astrology so that we can avoid the fires of Hell when our 
opponent, the Christian One True God, stakes a claim on my eternal soul before 
I get to the Nirvana room of the many afterlife's that I also believe I'll go 
to before my next life on this plane of bliss if I don't attain a particular 
state of unconsciousness. 
 

 I've just been embarrassed to admit it, stuck in a foxhole as I am... Have a 
yagya on me!
 

 I can top that. I don't believe in God because I AM GOD. 

 

 I just don't believe that you guys exist. 

 

 I always suspected that I didn't exist, everything makes more sense if I don't 
- less physics required you see. The simplest explanation is always the best 
one

Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 9:30 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Its interesting that so many people today who think Marshy was 
enlightened and who believe that TM can bring one to enlightenment do 
not seem to accept his very clear definition of enlightenment which he 
laid out in both his Gita blabber and his so-called Science of Being. 
They seem to want to find some OTHER definition of enlightenment that 
suits them better, like these Adyashanti types who seem to define 
enlightenment as pretty much whatever you want it to mean so they can 
claim the crown and get followers.

>
You are welcome to advance your own definition of enlightenment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment/spiritual/ 



Anyone that appears to be as happy as MMY was, I would consider to be in 
a state of enlightenment. He apparently had all of his desires fulfilled 
many times over. He had the ability to laugh and seemed to really enjoy 
life - he was a success and he attained his goal.


You are confused because, there is in fact no objective "enlightenment" 
- it's a subjective experience. To be enlightened means simply to be in 
a natural state, free from suffering.


/"Confusion arises from erroneously identifying words, objects, and 
ideas with one another; knowledge of the cries of all creatures comes 
through perfect discipline of the distinctions between them."/ - 
Patanjali, Yoga Sutras 3.17

>



*From:* "Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" 
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2014 11:20 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor

I think this brings up an interesting point. How does one define 
'enlightenment'. The most overreaching attempts include the entire 
universe as a connected unity, and that would imply simply that all 
that exists is what enlightenment is about. If you include everything 
you cannot define enlightenment as A, B, C minus some bad parts you do 
not like. So if, simplistically the universe is A, B, C, X, Y, and Z, 
you have to include them all. There is a phrase in Zen 'walk off with 
the farmer's ox, steal the blind man's food', which is an expression 
of unboundedness. This is kind of how the TMO behaves. From my 
perspective, enlightenment does not have any injunctions on behaviour 
in spite of advertisements to the contrary, all enlightenment does is 
reveal the connectedness of the universe, and if you want to be a 
'good person', first you have to define what a good person is, and 
then you have to act that way, and that is a local phenomenon, an 
aspect of the universe far reduced from the whole. You could be 
enlightened and a criminal. If you listen to Charles Manson (I saw 
that picture online too), while he seems sort of crazy, he also often 
expresses unboundedness in his understanding of the world.


Religions, which presumably have some connexion with the idea of 
enlightenment have all these rules for governing behaviour, and the 
question one could ask is, if religion is so great and will straighten 
people out, why are these rules necessary? (and one could also ask why 
are the rules inconsistent between religions regarding behaviour). If 
you say god created the universe and the way it runs, then the 
universe is a serial killer. Like father, like son and daughter. 
Looking at religious figures, gurus, etc., one cannot conclude that 
these rules and enlightenment techniques substantially affect 
behaviour that we would call 'bad'. This issue of behaviour is one 
which we in civilised society do not seem to have much of a clue on 
how to solve, and all the methods we have invented to fix it have failed.


How do you traverse society without leaving mangled bodies, 
psychologically damaged bodies, emotionally damaged bodies,  in your 
wake? There does not seem to be a direct connexion with seeing the 
world as unbounded, and acting in it in a bound way unless there is an 
internal switch that pains you if you cause harm. Some people do not 
seem to have that switch (sociopaths and psychopaths), or a 'damaged' 
switch and have reduced empathy. Some people are crushed by having too 
much empathy. If you eliminate pain and suffering from your own life, 
will you care about others if life no longer pains you? There seems to 
be a variable in all this that is not accounted for and which does not 
seem to be affected much by the things people do in the hope of 
gaining enlightenment.


An example of unboundedness and unity from the Bible. Isaiah, in a 
literal translation (bolded are words in original Hebrew).


*Except *for *me, *there *is no Elohim; **I am forearming you, **yet 
you *do *not know me, **That they may **know, **From *the *rising of 
*the *sun and from *the *west, **that *there is *no *one *apart from 
me; **I *am *Yahweh, and *there *is no **o

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Actually no one exists, you're just imagining things.

On 11/20/2014 07:33 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

Especially for Sal and Turq!!

ATHEISTS DON'T EXIST! (ft. Jaclyn Glenn) 



image 





ATHEISTS DON'T EXIST! (ft. Jaclyn Glenn) 



View on www.youtube.com 

Preview by Yahoo

Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

His dog is more enlightened than me, too. In fact, although that dachshund is 
pretty obedient, the thing that drives Turq nuts, is that no matter how many 
doggy treats he doles out, or threats he makes, the dog still won't tell Barry 
his mantra. Sends him through the roof.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That's pretty funny, Share. 

 I imagine the exchange went something like this.
 

 Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.
 

 BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't 
like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate "believers" 
about.
 

 BS: But sir, I think..
 

 BW: Okay, what is it already!
 

 BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious 
of his enlightenment.
 

 BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you for?  Let 
me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any 
other developments along these lines.  I have a reputation to uphold!
 

 BS: Yes sir.
 

 Nice dialogue. Is it a coincidence that bawee's secretary's initials are "BS"? 
I think bawee's BS is all in his mind, just an excuse to be able to hurl some 
usual vitriol Jim's way. This just gets better and better. The longer I sit 
back and watch the funnier it gets.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!
 

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife  
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
 
 
   
 I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux 
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. 
The quote was:
 

"Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened 
state."
 

 I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, 
"Atheists are really angry at God" quote. That one was laughable because he 
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are "really" 
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing 
could *possibly* be more stupid than that. 

 

 But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)
 

 The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED 
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. 

 

 Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* 
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent 
turnips.  :-)  :-)  :-)
 

 Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way "envious" of your "enlightened state." 
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.  

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Why I have absolutely no interest in Chinese culture

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

They're just imitating European culture:

http://youtu.be/Qsy7kJyizoc

On 11/20/2014 01:35 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
*/In one video. Eight million people found this interesting? WTF, 
indeed.../*

*/
/*
*/This Chinese Music Video Is Every Kind Of WTF 
/*




image 







This Chinese Music Video Is Every Kind Of WTF 
 

This is a batshit insane music video for the song "Chick Chick" by 
Chinese pop group Wang Rong Rollin. It makes stuff like "What Does The 
Fox Say?" seem ab


View on www.incrediblething... 



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Philae has detected organic molecules

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 
 
   Re "You are far too subtle for him - and deep thinking. ":
 

 You also. I noticed from a previous post of yours (if I'm not misremembering) 
that you approved of David Bentley Hart's The Experience of God: Being, 
Consciousness, Bliss. Like you, I find that style of approaching the subject 
like mother's milk. You either get it, or you don't!
 

 

 S3raphita, if you and the Get Barry 'Bot are trying to imply that I would 
probably not be interested in the book you mention, you are correct. The very 
title makes me want to throw up in my mouth a little :-), because it's so 
obviously a Sales Pitch For The Belief In God. Not interested. I can think of 
no reading material that I would consider more of a waste of my time.
 

 I see such books -- and the people who try to press them on me -- a lot like a 
salesman at an Outdoor Outfitter's store to which I have gone to buy supplies 
for a mountain-climbing expedition. I've already bought everything I actually 
need, but now the salesman is trying to sell me a 12-inch-high stone statue of 
his favorite God. The conversation goes something like this:

 - "Why on earth would I want this?"
 - "Because it's a representation of God, and if you carry it and believe in 
it, God will keep you safe."
 - "Uh huh. So if I carry this God of yours and talk to it, it'll answer me 
back and tell me the best path up the mountain?"
 - "Well, no...it won't actually talk back to you, but it'll give you the faith 
to choose the Right Path."
 - "I've got a map for that, and it weighs less than an ounce. How much does 
this invaluable statue/belief system you're trying to sell me weigh?"
 - "About two pounds. And worth every ounce." 

 - "No thanks."
 

 An interest in "God" or reading about a hypothetical one just isn't my cuppa 
tea. I consider it a pastime for Weak People, who seem to feel that they *NEED* 
some kinda God to explain the universe around them. I don't, so why should I 
read books about this concept by Weak People, written for other Weak People? If 
I am in the mood for poetry, I'll read some real poetry, not that weak, 
namby-pamby stuff in so-called "scriptures" that people claim is poetry. If I 
want adventure, I'll read a good adventure book, either fiction or non-fiction. 
And if I want something to inspire me with new ideas, I'll read a book full of 
ideas that have some relationship to reality and the real world. I am very 
pragmatic these days and have almost no interest in the purely theoretical, 
considering it largely a Waste Of Time. 







 

 Bottom line is that while I think it's just swell if people like to believe in 
this made-up thing they call God, I bristle at them trying to convince me there 
is one and that I should believe in it, too. That strikes me as *the whole 
problem* with believers -- their belief makes them so WEAK that they can't bear 
to be around people who don't believe in the same made-up God that they do. 
They seem to need the "strength in numbers" that they find when surrounded by 
only people who believe the same things they do. So they start wars and 
Inquisitions to *force* everyone to believe in it. Or they write books to try 
to sell the idea. Either way, it's just old and boring and I, for one, have 
better things to do with my time. 

 

 To quote you, you either get this or you don't. :-) 

 

 Don't mind bawee, Seraphita, his head still burns from the scorching Edg gave 
him the other day. He doesn't like it when smarter, much smarter, people than 
himself dress him down so soundly. That and that picture Jim posted of him is 
still really, really bugging him. I wonder if bawee's BS will notify him of my 
post here. Oh yea, bawee doesn't have a BS, he is just full of it. 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I knew it! It was that picture you posted, where the hint of a tentacle could 
be seen, curling round the edge of your coffee cup - Exposed!!  

 PS heard the Nirvana room is closed for "renovation", 'til 2016 - bummer. 
Rumor has it that Krishna manifested all 6 million of His beings at once, and 
they trashed the place more thoroughly than Keith Moon at a Holiday Inn. Next 
door, at Samadhi might be your thing, though, if you like sensory deprivation 
tanks, and lots of black velvet...remember to tip generously. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Especially for Sal and Turq!!
 

 OK, I confess. I'm really a Born Again Muslim Scientologist who believes a 
giant, immortal extraterrestrial octopus teamed up with the One True God and 
invented karma and astrology so that we can avoid the fires of Hell when our 
opponent, the Christian One True God, stakes a claim on my eternal soul before 
I get to the Nirvana room of the many afterlife's that I also believe I'll go 
to before my next life on this plane of bliss if I don't attain a particular 
state of unconsciousness. 
 

 I've just been embarrassed to admit it, stuck in a foxhole as I am... Have a 
yagya on me!
 

 

ATHEISTS DON'T EXIST! (ft. Jaclyn Glenn) 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That's pretty funny, Share. 

 I imagine the exchange went something like this.
 

 Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.
 

 BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't 
like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate "believers" 
about.
 

 BS: But sir, I think..
 

 BW: Okay, what is it already!
 

 BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious 
of his enlightenment.
 

 BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you for?  Let 
me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any 
other developments along these lines.  I have a reputation to uphold!
 

 BS: Yes sir.
 

 Nice dialogue. Is it a coincidence that bawee's secretary's initials are "BS"? 
I think bawee's BS is all in his mind, just an excuse to be able to hurl some 
usual vitriol Jim's way. This just gets better and better. The longer I sit 
back and watch the funnier it gets.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!
 

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife  
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
 
 
   
 I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux 
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. 
The quote was:
 

"Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened 
state."
 

 I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, 
"Atheists are really angry at God" quote. That one was laughable because he 
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are "really" 
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing 
could *possibly* be more stupid than that. 

 

 But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)
 

 The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED 
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. 

 

 Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* 
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent 
turnips.  :-)  :-)  :-)
 

 Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way "envious" of your "enlightened state." 
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.  

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 9:59 AM, Share Long wrote:
>
Richard, wrt Mexico being on the verge of being run by the drug 
cartels, forget the verge! That ship has sailed! imho

>
/It's true - Mexico seems to be in a failed state condition with 
corruption all the way to the top. It was supposed to be a big success 
with manufacturing and a robust economy with plenty of natural resources 
and a large work force. It looks like to me that the political leaders 
opted for the short-term gain at the expense of the log-term gain. Go 
figure./

>



*From:* "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 8:37 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for 
America, revealed


On 11/16/2014 8:33 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
>
The dude who started it was Reagan, granting amnesty to 25 million 
illegals. Funny that now everyone sees it as a Democratic strategy.

>
/It is kind of weird that it was two Republican presidents that 
authorized immigrant status for millions of unauthorized immigrants to 
live in the U.S. It is also funny that Obama said he didn't have the 
authority to do the same thing. It looks like a lot of people are 
confused about this issue. //

//
//Obviously we can never seal the U.S. border - the best solution is 
to put more pressure on the sources of employment in the U.S. That 
way, there would be no reason to come here if there were no jobs 
available. Bottom line is that the Mexican and Central American 
economy needs to improve. The problem with that is that Mexico is on 
the verge of being a lawless country run by drug cartels - Americans 
are the big customers. Go figure./

>



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
,  
 wrote :


The *children* will probably be granted refuge status which means 
their parents, brothers and sisters will naturally be allowed to join 
them here. Next, uncles, aunts, cousins and grandparents will then 
come. We might as well annex Central America. They will be given 
social security cards and green cards and have all access to every 
social program including Obama care( remember the congressman calling 
Obama a liar when he said they wouldn't qualify for it?) Black, teen 
and other unskilled citizen labor will continue to rise as will the 
cost of the *safety net*. School systems are already being stretched 
beyond their budgets to make accommodations, including cutting out 
sports teams, bands etc.



*From:* "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 


*Sent:* Saturday, November 15, 2014 5:39 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for 
America, revealed


On 11/15/2014 3:15 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>
Leave's out  "buy American assets for pennies on the dollar."  Kos 
is apparently not liberal enough or not too smart about economics. 
Randi Rhodes (now retired) used point that out all the time and I've 
been saying it for years.  Maybe it sounds "too conspiratorial."

>
/Non sequitur. It's all about the economy and whether or not you have 
a job and a 401k. //The US does not have a shortage of workers. It 
has a shortage of jobs - that's the important issue - the people have 
spoken.


"The irresponsible immigration policy has created a surplus of 
workers. Illegal alien amnesty will make that surplus much worse. 
Legalize twelve million illegal aliens and another twelve million 
will come."//

//
//http://tinyurl.com/qekqbeb/
>


On 11/15/2014 12:48 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... 
 [FairfieldLife] wrote:
*/And it only takes up the top right corner of this cartoon from 
Daily Kos:/*


http://images.dailykos.com/images/115495/lightbox/11-9-strip-KOS.png?1415654345

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Hi, Just to tweak your story a bit, I wasn't born enlightened. I barely made it 
out alive, and it was awhile before I could breathe by myself (a couple of 
months, at least). I like life infinitely better, now.  

 Enlightenment is not a static state, either, as you seem to imply. Just as 
there are techniques to increase our skill in any area of life, so it is with 
enlightenment, also - Unbounded awareness is not just a catch phrase.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 11/20/2014 9:35 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 >
 
 No one is just spouting empty words, except you, and the one in the dog house. 
I made the point a few weeks ago, when responding to Curtis, that Enlightenment 
means success in the world, with family, friends, career, finances, and general 
accomplishment of desires. Enlightenment by itself means nothing to a 
householder. Pure awareness, accompanying waking, sleeping, and dreaming, 
brings success. I find it hilarious when I say this, and the three of you clam 
up, like, wellclams.
 >
 It's understandable that others might be JELLOS of your material situation, 
Jim, but most normal people don't display such emotions in public. 
 
 Years ago I stated that we are all enlightened at birth - all we have to do is 
realize our own birthright. There's really nothing anyone can DO to get into 
the enlightened state - we are all born with it, but we lose it very early on 
due to karmic circumstances. All an individual can really do is try to provide 
for themselves the ideal opportunity for the realization to dawn.
 
 Rita and I worked hard all our life to get where we are, to be able to retire 
with a few bucks in the bank and enjoy life. All our children are grown up now, 
so we feel we've done what had to be done. 
 
 All along we've done the Work as householders, but we know that we are only 
going to get as much enlightenment as we are going to get. It's way too late 
for us to complain that others have more than we do. 
 
 We believe in Life - what it does to you and what you do back. 
 >
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:mjackson74@... wrote :
 
 So Buck as long as someone talks the talk, you just take him at his word? 
Shit, I screwed up - I should have  claimed the same blabber when I first got 
on FFL, claimed enlightenment and done a "Meet the Enlightened Guy Tour" in 
Fairfield and cleaned all your wallets out. Lesson learned.



 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 9:33 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
dear Mea Culpa er, my concern is that the Folder Secretary may become 
a Turq Groupie (-:

>
/The real question is does anyone on this list still take Barry 
seriously? Or, does he just cause some minor amusement?


The ONLY respondents that seem to think he is relevant to the 
conversation is MJ. Even Xeno and Curtis don't seem to want to take up 
for him anymore because he is so confused in his ideas.//

//
// Barry has done a pretty good job of alienating everyone on this 
forum. It looks like he is being driven by pure ego now. Judy called him 
a poseur. Go figure./

>



*From:* "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" 
*Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:15 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than 
JohnR !!!


*From:* "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" 
*Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:08 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than 
JohnR !!!


dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!

*/It's someone who used to post here and who delights in seeing me 
mock the afflicted. I thank him for the occasional pointers he sends 
me to posts I would otherwise have never seen because of my filters. 
This one was just so perfect at demonstrating the extent of Jimbo's 
obsessive narcissism that I couldn't resist. Mea culpa.  :-) /*





*From:* "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife 
*Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!

*/I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The 
Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and 
laughed this hard. The quote was:/*

*/
/*
*"Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state."*
*/
/*
*/I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and 
clueless, "Atheists are really angry at God" quote. That one was 
laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't 
believe in a God are "really" angry at the being they don't believe 
exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more 
stupid than that.

/*
*/
/*
*/But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)/*
*/
/*
*/The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS 
ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him 
for being enlightened.

/*
*/
/*
*/Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What 
*happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met 
more intelligent turnips.  :-) :-)  :-)/*

*/
/*
*/Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way "envious" of your "enlightened 
state." You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.

/*
*/
/*

Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Nice, Richard, thanks, makes me realize that probably most of us theists are 
using inference and verbal testimony.

  From: "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 10:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God
   
 On 11/20/2014 9:57 AM, Share Long wrote:
 >
  
I'm not sure what turq finds so annoying about "belief." Heck, if we didn't 
have beliefs, we'd have to learn everything all over every single day. For 
example, when I cross the busy intersection while walking to the post office, I 
believe the cars will obey the red light. I don't know 100% for sure that they 
will. But I think they will based on past experience. Except past experience 
also includes seeing many a dingbat run the red light! I think belief is what 
we do all day long simply because we can't know anything for sure until AFTER 
it has happened. d even then, our perceptions are skewed by the state of our 
nervous system.  
 >
 Probably none of us have been up in space so we could witness the curvature of 
the earth first-hand. So, we take the verbal testimony of others that the earth 
is spherical in shape. 
 
 There is no a priori knowledge that we are born with. We know very little when 
we are born - so we must learn almost everything we know from our teachers. The 
question is: what are the valid means of knowledge?
 
 
   - Sense perception
   - Inference.
   - Verbal testimony
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Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 9:57 AM, Share Long wrote:
>
I'm not sure what turq finds so annoying about "belief." Heck, if we 
didn't have beliefs, we'd have to learn everything all over every 
single day. For example, when I cross the busy intersection while 
walking to the post office, I believe the cars will obey the red 
light. I don't know 100% for sure that they will. But I think they 
will based on past experience. Except past experience also includes 
seeing many a dingbat run the red light! I think belief is what we do 
all day long simply because we can't know anything for sure until 
AFTER it has happened. d even then, our perceptions are skewed by the 
state of our nervous system. 

>
/Probably none of us have been up in space so we could witness the 
curvature of the earth first-hand. So, we take the verbal testimony of 
others that the earth is spherical in shape.


There is no a priori knowledge that we are born with. We know very 
little when we are born - so we must learn almost everything we know 
from our teachers.//The question is: what are the valid means of 
knowledge?//

//
/

 * /Sense perception/
 * /Inference./
 * /Verbal testimony/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: salyavin808 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Especially for Sal and Turq!!
OK, I confess. I'm really a Born Again Muslim Scientologist who believes a 
giant, immortal extraterrestrial octopus teamed up with the One True God and 
invented karma and astrology so that we can avoid the fires of Hell when our 
opponent, the Christian One True God, stakes a claim on my eternal soul before 
I get to the Nirvana room of the many afterlife's that I also believe I'll go 
to before my next life on this plane of bliss if I don't attain a particular 
state of unconsciousness. 
I've just been embarrassed to admit it, stuck in a foxhole as I am... Have a 
yagya on me!
I can top that. I don't believe in God because I AM GOD. 

I just don't believe that you guys exist. 



  

Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Habits of Chronically Unhappy People

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

like
  From: "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7 Habits of Chronically Unhappy People
   
 On 11/19/2014 9:40 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
     The 8th habit is to deny they are unhappy and claim they are happy cuz of 
TM   
 >
 
 You are not even making any sense. Nobody I know says they are both unhappy 
and happy, at the same time. That would be a case of cognitive dissonance. 
 
 Actually the first habit of chronically unhappy people is they don't take 
responsibility for their own actions and accept that they are the cause of 
their own unhappiness.
 >
 
  
  From: "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:17 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] 7 Habits of Chronically Unhappy People
   
    
   

7 Habits of Chronically Unhappy People 
 
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I often teach about happiness and what has become exceedingly clear is this: 
There are seven qualities chronically unhappy people have mastered.
 According to Psychology Today, University of California researcher Sonja 
Lyubomirsky states: "40 percent of our of our capacity for happiness is within 
our power to change." If this is true and it is, there's hope for us all. There 
are billions of people on our planet and clearly some are truly happy. The rest 
of us bounce back and forth between happiness and unhappiness depending on the 
day. Throughout the years, I've learned there are certain traits and habits 
chronically unhappy people seem to have mastered. But before diving in with 
you, let me preface this and say: we all have bad days, even weeks when we fall 
down in all  seven areas. The difference between a happy and unhappy life is 
how often and how long we stay there.
 
 Here are the 7 qualities of chronically unhappy people.
   1. Your default belief is that life is hard.
   Happy people know life can be hard and tend to bounce through hard times 
with an attitude of curiosity versus victimhood. They take responsibility for 
how they got themselves into a mess, and focus on getting themselves out of it 
as soon as possible. Perseverance towards problem versus complaining over 
circumstances is a symptom of a happy person. Unhappy people see themselves as 
victims of life and stay stuck in the "look what happened to me" attitude 
versus finding a way through and  out the other side.  2. You believe most 
people can't be trusted.
   I won't argue that healthy discernment is important, but most happy people 
are trusting of their fellow man. They believe in the good in people, versus 
assuming everyone is out to get them. Generally open and friendly towards 
people  they meet, happy people foster a sense of community around themselves 
and meet new people with an open heart. Unhappy people are distrustful of most 
people they meet and assume that strangers can't be trusted. Unfortunately this 
behavior slowly starts to close the door on any connection outside of an 
inner-circle and thwarts all chances of  meeting new friends.  3. You 
concentrate on what's wrong in this world versus what's right.
   There's plenty wrong with this world, no arguments here, yet unhappy people 
turn a blind eye to what's actually right in this world and instead focus on 
what's wrong. You can spot them a mile away, they'll be the ones complaining 
and  responding to any positive attributes of our world with "yeah but". Happy 
people are aware of global issues, but balance their concern with also seeing 
what's right. I like to call this keeping both eyes open. Unhappy people tend 
to close one eye towards anything good in this world in fear they might be 
distracted from what's wrong. Happy people keep it in perspective. They know 
our world has problems and they also keep an eye on what's right.  4. You 
compare yourself to others and harbor jealousy.
   Unhappy people believe someone else's good fortune steals from their own. 
They believe there's not enough goodness to go around and constantly compare 
yours against theirs. This leads to jealousy and resentment. Happy people know 
that your good luck and circumstance are merely signs of what they too can 
aspire to achieve. Happy people believe they carry a unique blueprint that 
can't be duplicated or stolen from -- by anyone on the planet. They believe in 
unlimited possibilities and don't get bogged down by thinking one person's good 
fortune limits their possible outcome in life.  5. You strive to control your 
life.
   There's a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 9:35 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
>


No one is just spouting empty words, except you, and the one in the 
dog house. I made the point a few weeks ago, when responding to 
Curtis, that Enlightenment means success in the world, with family, 
friends, career, finances, and general accomplishment of desires. 
Enlightenment by itself means nothing to a householder. Pure 
awareness, accompanying waking, sleeping, and dreaming, brings 
success. I find it hilarious when I say this, and the three of you 
clam up, like, wellclams.



>
/It's understandable that others might be JELLOS of your material 
situation, Jim, but most normal people don't display such emotions in 
public.


Years ago I stated that we are all enlightened at birth - all we have to 
do is realize our own birthright. //There's really nothing anyone can DO 
to get into the enlightened state - we are all born with it, but we lose 
it very early on due to karmic circumstances. All an individual can 
really do is try to provide for themselves the ideal opportunity for the 
realization to dawn.


//Rita and I worked hard all our life to get where we are, to be able to 
retire with a few bucks in the bank and enjoy life. All our children are 
grown up now, so we feel we've done what had to be done.


All along we've done the Work as householders, but w//e know that we are 
only going to get as much enlightenment as we are going to get. It's way 
too late for us to complain that others have more than we do.


We believe in Life - what it does to you and what you do back. /
>


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

So Buck as long as someone talks the talk, you just take him at his 
word? Shit, I screwed up - I should have  claimed the same blabber 
when I first got on FFL, claimed enlightenment and done a "Meet the 
Enlightened Guy Tour" in Fairfield and cleaned all your wallets out. 
Lesson learned.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Especially for Sal and Turq!!
 

 OK, I confess. I'm really a Born Again Muslim Scientologist who believes a 
giant, immortal extraterrestrial octopus teamed up with the One True God and 
invented karma and astrology so that we can avoid the fires of Hell when our 
opponent, the Christian One True God, stakes a claim on my eternal soul before 
I get to the Nirvana room of the many afterlife's that I also believe I'll go 
to before my next life on this plane of bliss if I don't attain a particular 
state of unconsciousness. 
 

 I've just been embarrassed to admit it, stuck in a foxhole as I am... Have a 
yagya on me!
 

 

ATHEISTS DON'T EXIST! (ft. Jaclyn Glenn) 
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 ATHEISTS DON'T EXIST! (ft. Jaclyn Glenn) 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

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  From: "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:53 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor
   
 On 11/19/2014 7:39 AM, steve.sundur wrote:
 >
  
    yes, cognitive dissonance once we realize that the enlightened state does 
have all the outer attributes we associate with it.  
 >
 We are all in a state of cognitive dissonance simply because the world is not 
exactly as it appears - we don't see and sense things as they really are. 
 
 There is always a transformation as soon as perception takes place and our 
consciousness actually changes what the senses perceive. 
 
 Also the fact that we are living in the past - we don't sense things as they 
are right now - when we sense anything, it has already changed - we never see 
ahead because the action in the future is yet to be performed. 
 
 We live in the past - everything we consciously perceive is at least one-third 
of a second old. 
 >
  

  I have cognitive dissonance along these lines myself that I am working 
through, or in the discover phase of.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 Barry, The Cave Boy from Leiden, raised by wolves, was the first image that 
came up - lol 
  seriously, people get locked into all the past pictures of enlightened 
teachers, and even Maharishi was not exactly a slacks and polo type of guy. And 
the religions have fucked up the image for good, insisting that solely doing 
good works (according to them), keeping in line, reading surface prayers, and 
mouthing platitudes about "helping the poor" and being "nice", will lead to our 
salvation. So it is a lot of context for us to overcome, to truly gain our 
freedom, our inner silence, and continue to be ourselves - even though that is 
the simple end result of enlightenment - fully being ourselves.  
   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 that is funny Jim.  a very simple, yet relevant observation. 
  yes, Barry has embarked on the path that has enlightenment as it's 
conclusion, but just can't handle that someone may have reached the goal. 
  maybe along the lines, "if I can't have it, no one can". 
  really, a childish attitude, indicating one might be stuck in a early stage 
of development. 
  
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 "'I think it's unfortunate that a person can spend hour after hour, day after 
day, year after year,  dedicating his life to enlightenment, and yet the very 
notion that anybody attains enlightenment is a taboo. We're all going after 
this; but God forbid somebody says they've realized it. We  don't believe them, 
we're cynical, we have doubt; we go immediately into a semi- (or overt) attack 
mode. To me, it highlights the fact that people are chasing an awakening they 
don't believe could happen to them. That's a barrier, and the biggest one..." 
  An excellent insight. I enjoy Adyashanti's clarity. He also comes from a town 
in the Bay Area that I am very familiar with, so it gives me an insight into 
his temperament.
  
  This is exactly why I talk about enlightenment - It is possible, and even 
likely, to realize enlightenment, using the TM and TMSP techniques, and not 
just by saintly folks, but by ordinary  schlubs, like me!  
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 The Zen trained Adyashanti had this to say about 'enlightenment  success': 
   'When I looked around at the Buddhist tradition, I realized that  the 
success rate was terrible. People were in it for enlightenment, but very few 
were actually getting enlightened. If this were a  business, I thought, we'd be 
bankrupt.' 
  'I think it's unfortunate that a person can spend hour after hour,  day after 
day, year after year, dedicating his life to enlightenment, and yet the very 
notion that anybody attains enlightenment is a  taboo. We're all going after 
this; but God forbid somebody says they've  realized it. We don't believe them, 
we're cynical, we have doubt; we go immediately into a semi- (or overt) attack 
mode. To me,  it highlights the fact that people are chasing an awakening they 
don't believe could happen to them. That's a barrier, and the biggest  one... 
And when people have breakthroughs and talk about them in public, awakening 
loses its mystique. Everyone else can see that it's not  just special people 
who have deep awakenings, it's their neighbor or their best friend.' 
  The TMO seemed to do pretty well for a while selling something  nobody seems 
to have found. Perhaps one reason for this is the ideas we have in our heads 
about what enlightenment is supposed to  be. The usual ideas about what 
enlightenment is, are something out of a comic  book, something fantastical. 
Maybe it is something not quite so interesting to talk about, something so 
familiar that you discount it  entirely. 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
  MJ, speak for yourself! I was never cha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

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  From: "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 11:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor
   
 On 11/19/2014 10:45 AM, Share Long wrote:
 >
  
     The nutshell about behavior and enlightenement is this: basically in the 
Gita, God is telling a man to kill, but to do so established in Being. If it's 
ok to kill established in Being, then logically any action would be ok if the 
doer is established in Being. 

 >
 Actually it's much simpler than that, Share. We should all be established in 
Being no matter what we do, and then act. 
 
 The point of the Gita is that "you" or "I" do not actually do anything at all 
- it is the gunas born of nature that are acting on each other, that are doing 
the actions - based on your karma.
 
 All you have to do is get established in Being and do your duty. It's not 
complicated.
 >
 
 
  No wonder the CIA checked out the TMO! It's pretty revolutionary stuff if one 
gets the nitty gritty of it. Also there's a place in his Commentary where 
Maharishi explains that eventually one also has to become unattached to 
positivity. IMO, another great thought stopper! 
  On Kohlberg's moral reasoning scale, TMers scored in the more developed 
category, which is morality unlimited by traditional religious rules.
   
  From: "Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor
   
     I think this brings up an interesting point. How does one define 
'enlightenment'. The most  overreaching attempts include the entire universe as 
a connected unity, and that would imply simply that all that exists is what 
enlightenment is about. If you  include everything you cannot define 
enlightenment as A, B, C minus some bad parts you do not like. So if, 
simplistically the universe is A, B, C, X, Y, and Z,  you have to include them 
all. There is a phrase in Zen 'walk off with the farmer's ox, steal the  blind 
man's food', which is an expression of unboundedness. This is kind of how the 
TMO behaves. From my perspective, enlightenment does not have any injunctions 
on  behaviour in spite of advertisements to the contrary, all enlightenment 
does is reveal the connectedness of the universe, and if you want to be a 'good 
 person', first you have to define what a good person is, and then you have to 
act that way, and that is a local phenomenon, an aspect of the universe far 
reduced from  the whole. You could be enlightened and a criminal. If you listen 
to Charles Manson (I saw  that picture online too), while he seems sort of 
crazy, he also often  expresses unboundedness in his understanding of the 
world. 
  Religions, which presumably have some connexion with the idea of 
enlightenment  have all these rules for governing behaviour, and the question 
one could ask is, if religion is so great and will straighten people out, why 
are these rules necessary? (and one could also ask why are the rules 
inconsistent between religions regarding  behaviour). If you say god created 
the universe and the way it runs, then the universe is a serial killer. Like 
father, like son and daughter. Looking at religious  figures, gurus, etc., one 
cannot conclude that these rules and enlightenment techniques substantially 
affect behaviour that we would call 'bad'. This  issue of behaviour is one 
which we in civilised society do not seem to have much of a clue on how to  
solve, and all the methods we have invented to fix it have failed. 
  How do you traverse society without leaving mangled bodies, psychologically 
damaged  bodies, emotionally damaged bodies,  in your wake? There does not seem 
to be a direct connexion with seeing the world as  unbounded, and acting in it 
in a bound way unless there is an internal switch that pains you if you cause 
harm. Some people do not seem to have that switch  (sociopaths and 
psychopaths), or a 'damaged' switch and have reduced empathy. Some people are 
crushed by having too much empathy. If you eliminate pain and suffering from  
your own life, will you care about others if life no longer pains you? There 
seems to be a variable in all this that is not accounted for and which does not 
seem to be  affected much by the things people do in the hope of gaining 
enlightenment. 
  An example of unboundedness and unity from the Bible. Isaiah, in a literal  
translation (bolded are words in original Hebrew). 
  Except for me, there is no Elohim; I am forearming you, yet you do not know 
me, That they may know, From the rising of the sun and from the west, that 
there is no one apart from me; I am Yahweh, and there is no other.  Former of 
light and creator of darkness, maker of good and creator of evil, I, Yahweh, 
make all these. 
  Here you have all the darkness you would want emanating from t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Cave Boy from Leiden, was Most Absurd Rumor

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 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:29 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Cave Boy from Leiden, was Most Absurd Rumor
   
 On 11/19/2014 7:22 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 > "seriously, people get locked into all the past pictures of enlightened 
 > teachers, and even Maharishi was not exactly a slacks and polo type of guy. 
 > And the religions have fucked up the image for good, insisting that solely 
 > doing good works (according to them), keeping in line, reading surface 
 > prayers, and mouthing platitudes about "helping the poor" and being "nice", 
 > will lead to our salvation. So it is a lot of context for us to overcome, to 
 > truly gain our freedom, our inner  silence, and continue to be ourselves - 
 > even though that is the simple end result of enlightenment - fully being 
 > ourselves."
   >
 It's like a Zen koan, Jim - we are all enlightened at birth, but we don't 
realize it. Then, due to our environment and culture we get saddled with 
conceptions,  thoughts and assumptions by the time we are teenagers. If we 
could remain as innocent as little babies, we would all be happy everyday, 
almost all the time, just enjoying the bliss consciousness. 
 
 The question is: why do we have to strive so hard just to come back to our 
original condition?
 >
 

   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 that is funny Jim.  a very simple, yet relevant observation. 
  yes, Barry has embarked on the path that has enlightenment as it's 
conclusion, but just can't handle that someone may have reached the goal. 
  maybe along the lines, "if I can't have it, no one can". 
  really, a childish attitude, indicating one might be stuck in a early stage 
of development.

 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Richard, wrt Mexico being on the verge of being run by the drug cartels, forget 
the verge! That ship has sailed! imho

  From: "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 8:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, 
revealed
   
 On 11/16/2014 8:33 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 >
  
    The dude who started it was Reagan, granting amnesty to 25 million 
illegals. Funny that now everyone sees it as a Democratic strategy.
   
 >
 It is kind of weird that it was two Republican presidents that authorized 
immigrant status for millions of unauthorized immigrants to live in the U.S. It 
is  also funny that Obama said he didn't have the authority to do the same 
thing. It looks like a lot of people are confused about this issue. 
 
 Obviously we can never seal the U.S. border - the best solution is to put more 
pressure on the sources of employment in the U.S. That way, there would be no 
reason to come here if there were no jobs available. Bottom line is that the 
Mexican and Central American economy needs to improve. The problem with that is 
that Mexico is on the verge of being a lawless country run by drug cartels - 
Americans are the big customers. Go figure.
 >
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
   The *children* will probably be granted refuge status which means their 
parents, brothers and sisters will naturally be allowed to join them here. 
Next, uncles, aunts, cousins and grandparents will then come. We might as well 
annex Central America. They will be given social security cards and green cards 
and have all access to every social program including Obama care( remember the 
congressman calling Obama a liar when he said they wouldn't qualify for it?) 
Black, teen and other unskilled citizen labor will continue to rise as will the 
cost of the *safety net*. School systems are already being stretched beyond 
their budgets to make accommodations, including cutting out sports teams, bands 
etc. 
  From: "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 5:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, 
revealed
  
     
 
  On 11/15/2014 3:15 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
 >
  
    Leave's out  "buy American assets for pennies on the dollar."  Kos is 
apparently not liberal enough or not too smart about economics.  Randi Rhodes 
(now retired) used point that out all the time and I've been saying it for 
years.  Maybe it sounds "too conspiratorial."
   
 >
 Non sequitur. It's all about the economy and whether or not you have a job and 
a 401k. The US does not have a shortage of workers. It has a shortage of jobs - 
that's the important issue - the people have spoken. 
 
 "The irresponsible immigration policy has created a surplus of workers. 
Illegal alien amnesty will make that surplus much worse. Legalize twelve 
million  illegal aliens and another twelve million will come."
 
 http://tinyurl.com/qekqbeb
 >
 
 
 On 11/15/2014 12:48 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
     And it only takes up the top right corner of this cartoon from Daily Kos: 
   

 

 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I'm not sure what turq finds so annoying about "belief." Heck, if we didn't 
have beliefs, we'd have to learn everything all over every single day. For 
example, when I cross the busy intersection while walking to the post office, I 
believe the cars will obey the red light. I don't know 100% for sure that they 
will. But I think they will based on past experience. Except past experience 
also includes seeing many a dingbat run the red light! I think belief is what 
we do all day long simply because we can't know anything for sure until AFTER 
it has happened. d even then, our perceptions are skewed by the state of our 
nervous system.  

  From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 8:35 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God
   
    From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
    If I were to find out, beyond a reasonable 
doubt, that there was no God, I'd probably have a pretty good chuckle and move 
on. Let it go and take it as it comes. I might even get a bit philisophical 
about it and ponder what that belief did for me along the road to that 
discovery. All in all... I'd forgive myself and move on. I guess that's what my 
belief did for me.
Good for you. It would be easier for me because I skipped that annoying interim 
"belief" step.  :-)
 

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife  
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:00 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] A question for those who believe in God
   
    If you were find out for sure that there is NO God, would you feel a sense 
of loss, as if your life had been diminished in some way or wasted believing in 
one?
We non-theists wouldn't. It would have no impact on our lives whatsoever. 
If your answer to the question is "Yes," it seems to me that your faith in God 
is based on habit, neediness and fear, not on any kind of positive belief. 


  

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 8:01 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote:
>

*
*I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts.*
*

*>*
/Is there any way for anyone to prove their own subjective experiences?/ 
/Why do you suppose Barry feels so threatened by Jim's subjective 
experiences? /

>

*
*I can relate to what he is talking about by experience.  He is very clear and 
accurate in his writings.  You seem threatened by his writing.  -Buck*
*

>
/ I can understand why Barry would be JELLOS of Jim's material 
situation, but why or how could anyone be envious of another person's 
subjective state of consciousness? Go figure. /

>
*/turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* 
WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am 
*envious* of him for being enlightened./*



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

That's pretty funny, Share.

I imagine the exchange went something like this.

Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.

BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I 
don't like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate 
"believers" about.


BS: But sir, I think..

BW: Okay, what is it already!

BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're 
envious of his enlightenment.


BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you 
for?  Let me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep 
me informed of any other developments along these lines.  I have a 
reputation to uphold!


BS: Yes sir.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!


*From:* "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife 
*Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!

*/I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The 
Faux Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and 
laughed this hard. The quote was:/*

*/
/*
*"Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state."*
*/
/*
*/I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and 
clueless, "Atheists are really angry at God" quote. That one was 
laughable because he managed to convince himself that people who don't 
believe in a God are "really" angry at the being they don't believe 
exists. I foolishly thought that nothing could *possibly* be more 
stupid than that.

/*
*/
/*
*/But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)/*
*/
/*
*/The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS 
ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him 
for being enlightened.

/*
*/
/*
*/Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What 
*happened* to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met 
more intelligent turnips. :-)  :-)  :-)/*

*/
/*
*/Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way "envious" of your "enlightened 
state." You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.

/*
*/
/*

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/20/2014 7:18 AM, steve.sundur wrote:
>


just another, "IDNNS"  __


>
/So far today, Barry has posted about Chinese culture, God, 
Enlightenment, and The Big Bang Theory - all of which he claims to have 
no interest in. Apparently his only interest is button pushing. //

//
//I mean, if he has no interest in these topics, why does he keep 
opening his big pie hole?


A cry for attention - just trolling, or is there something else going on 
in his mind? It's beginning to look like he is even an embarrassment to 
Xeno and Salya.

>
/



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

*/This is fascinating, and helps me to clarify something I wrote 
before. I completely *understand* how this kind of speculation is 
interesting to some people, but for me it falls into the category of 
theoretical speculation that just holds no interest for me.

/*
*/
/*
*/For a scientist who wants to feel as if he or she has some kind of 
handle on what happened at the time of the theoretical creation of the 
universe, it all must be thrilling. But for me, I cannot get past, 
"WTF does this or *could* this have to do with anything in my real, 
everyday life?"/*

*/
/*
*/Big Bang, schmang. Why should I care?
/*
*/
/*
*/*By definition* (since no one will ever know for sure), any theory 
of what happened at the moment of the Big Bang will be just that -- a 
theory. Heck, I am not even convinced that there ever *was* a Big Bang 
(meaning a single "beginning" of the universe). So I leave 
speculations about such things to those who (like Salyavin and 
presumably s3raphita) are fascinated by the science of it all.

/*
*/
/*
*/Others (such as JohnR or other religionists) glom onto theories 
about the Big Bang as support for their medieval ideas about God, and 
I find that even less interesting. /*

*/
/*
*/I'm not complaining, just explaining why none of this interests me 
terribly much.../*

Re: [FairfieldLife] The particle zoo grows ever larger!

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

salyavin, thanks for posting, both the article and the photos blow my mind! And 
I admit that I was a little disappointed that the writer didn't mention the God 
particle (-:

  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 8:20 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] The particle zoo grows ever larger!
   
     With some nice pictures. Nature seems to make very nice wallpaper.
Two new particles discovered at Cern by smashing protons together
 
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proton...  The Large Hadron Collider in Geneva has discovered two new 
particles. The discovery was made by smashing protons at 99.% the speed of 
light (illustrati...||
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[FairfieldLife] Ha ha ha! Atheists Don't Exist!

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Especially for Sal and Turq!!
ATHEISTS DON'T EXIST! (ft. Jaclyn Glenn)
|   |
|   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
| ATHEISTS DON'T EXIST! (ft. Jaclyn Glenn) |
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| View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo |
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

No one is just spouting empty words, except you, and the one in the dog house. 
I made the point a few weeks ago, when responding to Curtis, that Enlightenment 
means success in the world, with family, friends, career, finances, and general 
accomplishment of desires. Enlightenment by itself means nothing to a 
householder. Pure awareness, accompanying waking, sleeping, and dreaming, 
brings success. I find it hilarious when I say this, and the three of you clam 
up, like, wellclams. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So Buck as long as someone talks the talk, you just take him at his word? 
Shit, I screwed up - I should have  claimed the same blabber when I first got 
on FFL, claimed enlightenment and done a "Meet the Enlightened Guy Tour" in 
Fairfield and cleaned all your wallets out. Lesson learned.

 

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 
 
   
 Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of him. 
 

 Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass, 
thanks.  :-)  :-)  :-)

 


 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 
 
   
 I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts. I can relate to 
what he is talking about by experience. He is very clear and accurate in his 
writings. You seem threatened by his writing. -Buck
 

turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES 
HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for 
being enlightened.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That's pretty funny, Share. 

 I imagine the exchange went something like this.
 

 Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.
 

 BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't 
like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate "believers" 
about.
 

 BS: But sir, I think..
 

 BW: Okay, what is it already!
 

 BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious 
of his enlightenment.
 

 BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you for?  Let 
me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any 
other developments along these lines.  I have a reputation to uphold!
 

 BS: Yes sir.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!
 

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife  
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
 
 
   
 I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux 
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. 
The quote was:
 

"Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened 
state."
 

 I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, 
"Atheists are really angry at God" quote. That one was laughable because he 
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are "really" 
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing 
could *possibly* be more stupid than that. 

 

 But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)
 

 The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED 
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. 

 

 Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* 
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent 
turnips.  :-)  :-)  :-)
 

 Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way "envious" of your "enlightened state." 
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.  

 


















 












 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

dear Mea Culpa er, my concern is that the Folder Secretary may become a Turq 
Groupie (-:

  From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 7:15 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
   
    From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 2:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
   
    dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!
It's someone who used to post here and who delights in seeing me mock the 
afflicted. I thank him for the occasional pointers he sends me to posts I would 
otherwise have never seen because of my filters. This one was just so perfect 
at demonstrating the extent of Jimbo's obsessive narcissism that I couldn't 
resist. Mea culpa.  :-) 

 

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife  
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
   
    I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux 
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. 
The quote was:
       "Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state."
I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, 
"Atheists are really angry at God" quote. That one was laughable because he 
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are "really" 
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing 
could *possibly* be more stupid than that. 

But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)
The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED 
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. 

Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* 
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent 
turnips.  :-)  :-)  :-)
Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way "envious" of your "enlightened state." 
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.  


  

 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Its interesting that so many people today who think Marshy was enlightened and 
who believe that TM can bring one to enlightenment do not seem to accept his 
very clear definition of enlightenment which he laid out in both his Gita 
blabber and his so-called Science of Being. They seem to want to find some 
OTHER definition of enlightenment that suits them better, like these Adyashanti 
types who seem to define enlightenment as pretty much whatever you want it to 
mean so they can claim the crown and get followers. 

  From: "Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 11:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor
   
    I think this brings up an interesting point. How does one define 
'enlightenment'. The most overreaching attempts include the entire universe as 
a connected unity, and that would imply simply that all that exists is what 
enlightenment is about. If you include everything you cannot define 
enlightenment as A, B, C minus some bad parts you do not like. So if, 
simplistically the universe is A, B, C, X, Y, and Z, you have to include them 
all. There is a phrase in Zen 'walk off with the farmer's ox, steal the blind 
man's food', which is an expression of unboundedness. This is kind of how the 
TMO behaves. From my perspective, enlightenment does not have any injunctions 
on behaviour in spite of advertisements to the contrary, all enlightenment does 
is reveal the connectedness of the universe, and if you want to be a 'good 
person', first you have to define what a good person is, and then you have to 
act that way, and that is a local phenomenon, an aspect of the universe far 
reduced from the whole. You could be enlightened and a criminal. If you listen 
to Charles Manson (I saw that picture online too), while he seems sort of 
crazy, he also often expresses unboundedness in his understanding of the world.
Religions, which presumably have some connexion with the idea of enlightenment 
have all these rules for governing behaviour, and the question one could ask 
is, if religion is so great and will straighten people out, why are these rules 
necessary? (and one could also ask why are the rules inconsistent between 
religions regarding behaviour). If you say god created the universe and the way 
it runs, then the universe is a serial killer. Like father, like son and 
daughter. Looking at religious figures, gurus, etc., one cannot conclude that 
these rules and enlightenment techniques substantially affect behaviour that we 
would call 'bad'. This issue of behaviour is one which we in civilised society 
do not seem to have much of a clue on how to solve, and all the methods we have 
invented to fix it have failed.
How do you traverse society without leaving mangled bodies, psychologically 
damaged bodies, emotionally damaged bodies,  in your wake? There does not seem 
to be a direct connexion with seeing the world as unbounded, and acting in it 
in a bound way unless there is an internal switch that pains you if you cause 
harm. Some people do not seem to have that switch (sociopaths and psychopaths), 
or a 'damaged' switch and have reduced empathy. Some people are crushed by 
having too much empathy. If you eliminate pain and suffering from your own 
life, will you care about others if life no longer pains you? There seems to be 
a variable in all this that is not accounted for and which does not seem to be 
affected much by the things people do in the hope of gaining enlightenment.
An example of unboundedness and unity from the Bible. Isaiah, in a literal 
translation (bolded are words in original Hebrew).
Except for me, there is no Elohim; I am forearming you, yet you do not know me, 
That they may know, From the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is 
no one apart from me; I am Yahweh, and there is no other.  Former of light and 
creator of darkness, maker of good and creator of evil, I, Yahweh, make all 
these.
Here you have all the darkness you would want emanating from the supposed 
source of creation (a great way to express narcissism too). There are similar 
passage in the Bhagavad-Gita. If everything, good and bad are integral in 
existence and are sourced from the same origin or have the same being, and we 
come to direct knowledge of that, what is to prevent us from being all those 
qualities that (some) people abhor?
Light is the left hand of darknessand darkness the right hand of light.Two are 
one, life and death, lyingtogether like lovers in kemmer,like hands joined 
together,like the end and the way.

                  —Ursula K. Le Guin

 

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor
   
    From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

    The Zen trained Adyashanti had this to say about 'enlightenme

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, revealed

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The difference between those Republican presidents and Obama is that the 
Congress passed a bi-partison bill , which Reagan and Bush 41 signed, making it 
law. Obama seems to be creating *his* own law without congressional(the peoples 
representatives) approval or oversite. He's doing something, he said 
repeatedly, that he couldn't do by virtue of our constitution. 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, 
revealed
   
 On 11/16/2014 8:33 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 >
  
    The dude who started it was Reagan, granting amnesty to 25 million 
illegals. Funny that now everyone sees it as a Democratic strategy.
   
 >
 It is kind of weird that it was two Republican presidents that authorized 
immigrant status for millions of unauthorized immigrants to live in the U.S. It 
is  also funny that Obama said he didn't have the authority to do the same 
thing. It looks like a lot of people are confused about this issue. 
 
 Obviously we can never seal the U.S. border - the best solution is to put more 
pressure on the sources of employment in the U.S. That way, there would be no 
reason to come here if there were no jobs available. Bottom line is that the 
Mexican and Central American economy needs to improve. The problem with that is 
that Mexico is on the verge of being a lawless country run by drug cartels - 
Americans are the big customers. Go figure.
 >
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
   The *children* will probably be granted refuge status which means their 
parents, brothers and sisters will naturally be allowed to join them here. 
Next, uncles, aunts, cousins and grandparents will then come. We might as well 
annex Central America. They will be given social security cards and green cards 
and have all access to every social program including Obama care( remember the 
congressman calling Obama a liar when he said they wouldn't qualify for it?) 
Black, teen and other unskilled citizen labor will continue to rise as will the 
cost of the *safety net*. School systems are already being stretched beyond 
their budgets to make accommodations, including cutting out sports teams, bands 
etc. 
  From: "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 5:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The Repbulicans' long-term plan for America, 
revealed
  
     
 
  On 11/15/2014 3:15 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
 >
  
    Leave's out  "buy American assets for pennies on the dollar."  Kos is 
apparently not liberal enough or not too smart about economics.  Randi Rhodes 
(now retired) used point that out all the time and  I've been saying it for 
years.  Maybe it sounds "too conspiratorial."
   
 >
 Non sequitur. It's all about the economy and whether or not you have a job and 
 a 401k. The US does not have a shortage of workers. It has a shortage of jobs 
-  that's the important issue - the people have spoken. 
 
 "The irresponsible immigration policy has created a surplus of workers. 
Illegal alien amnesty will make that surplus much worse. Legalize twelve 
million  illegal aliens and another twelve million will come."
 
 http://tinyurl.com/qekqbeb
 >
 
 
 On 11/15/2014 12:48 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
  
     And it only takes up the top  right corner of this cartoon from Daily Kos: 
   

 

 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Dear Turq's secretary, please forward the following response (and his choice of 
puppy chow), to our common acquaintance:  

 Buck is not envious of me, nor is anyone else on this forum, except YOU. :-) 
:-) :-) 
 

 The question (for you) is, WHY?
 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of him. 
 

 Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass, 
thanks.  :-)  :-)  :-)

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
 
 
   
 I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts. I can relate to 
what he is talking about by experience. He is very clear and accurate in his 
writings. You seem threatened by his writing. -Buck
 

turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES 
HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for 
being enlightened.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That's pretty funny, Share. 

 I imagine the exchange went something like this.
 

 Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.
 

 BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't 
like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate "believers" 
about.
 

 BS: But sir, I think..
 

 BW: Okay, what is it already!
 

 BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious 
of his enlightenment.
 

 BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you for?  Let 
me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any 
other developments along these lines.  I have a reputation to uphold!
 

 BS: Yes sir.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!
 

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife  
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
 
 
   
 I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux 
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. 
The quote was:
 

"Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened 
state."
 

 I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, 
"Atheists are really angry at God" quote. That one was laughable because he 
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are "really" 
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing 
could *possibly* be more stupid than that. 

 

 But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)
 

 The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED 
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. 

 

 Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* 
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent 
turnips.  :-)  :-)  :-)
 

 Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way "envious" of your "enlightened state." 
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.  

 


















 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] When Worlds Collide....

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Oh this is excellent - thanks for posting this Sal - I bet this guy will want 
to create a mission there in Denmark to save these soulless sinners.
  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:28 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] When Worlds Collide
   
     American Bible-Thumper Travels To Scandinavia, Freaks Out After 
Discovering How Secular They Are
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide....

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

There is no evidence for there being any multiverses 

That's not true - there are any number of channels and New Age-y types who 
claim there are multiple dimensions all over the place.

  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: When Worlds Collide
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Re "The multiverse is a theory . . . I don't see why atheists would use this 
theory to support their idea that there is no God.":


There is no evidence for there being any multiverses - it is as much a leap of 
faith as believing in God. The "God option" really means you have trust in 
whatever is unfolding.
There might be soon. David Deutsch, who runs the quantum computing lab at 
Oxford, makes the case that multiverse theories are the simplest way of 
explaining quantum theory. Most other physicists disagree due to lack of 
evidence but he intends to prove it using a virtual reality program of an atom 
running on a quantum computer. 
I don't fully get what he's going on about but apparently there is a way that 
quantum computers can reveal how they work while they are doing computations 
about themselves (!), this will tell us a lot about what sort of universe we 
live in. All we need is a computer we don't have yet that exploits Qbits, the 
ability of things in the quantum world to be in potentially two, or more, 
places at once. But they are on the way. I get the impression that if he pulls 
it off he'll be the most famous scientist since Einstein but it's a long way 
away. But quantum computing is the future whatever it tells us.
But as I said in another post, this in't the multiverse you are talking about 
but they might be provable - should they exist. Maybe cosmologists should just 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That's pretty funny, Share. 

 I imagine the exchange went something like this.
 

 Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.
 

 BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't 
like, people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate "believers" 
about.
 

 BS: But sir, I think..
 

 BW: Okay, what is it already!
 

 BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious 
of his enlightenment.
 

 BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you for?  Let 
me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any 
other developments along these lines.  I have a reputation to uphold!
 

 BS: Yes sir.
 

 BW: And another thing, we need a little more pro-active PR around here. You 
know, the usual double-talk, gobbledy-gook, and so forth..."Its only opinion, 
but I go rabid", "Enlightenment doesn't exist, and you can't have it!"..."They 
are ALL morons, and I can't stay away"...same 'ol, same 'ol...
 

 How did things GET to this state!!?? I USED TO BE A BIG FUCKING DEAL AROUND 
HERE!! CAPICE??
 

 BS: Yes, sir. Anything else, sir?
 

 BW: Just shut up and bring me another drink. A double.
 

 BS: Yes, sir. Good morning.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!
 

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife  
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
 
 
   
 I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux 
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. 
The quote was:
 

"Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened 
state."
 

 I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, 
"Atheists are really angry at God" quote. That one was laughable because he 
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are "really" 
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing 
could *possibly* be more stupid than that. 

 

 But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)
 

 The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED 
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. 

 

 Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* 
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent 
turnips.  :-)  :-)  :-)
 

 Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way "envious" of your "enlightened state." 
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.  

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

So Buck as long as someone talks the talk, you just take him at his word? Shit, 
I screwed up - I should have  claimed the same blabber when I first got on FFL, 
claimed enlightenment and done a "Meet the Enlightened Guy Tour" in Fairfield 
and cleaned all your wallets out. Lesson learned.

  From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 9:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
   
    Fine. If that's how low your standards are, then *you* can be envious of 
him. 

Since I've met canines who were more enlightened than Jim Flanegin, I'll pass, 
thanks.  :-)  :-)  :-)
 

 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 3:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Enlightenment
   
    I know he is enlightened because of his first person accounts.  I can 
relate to what he is talking about by experience.  He is very clear and 
accurate in his writings.  You seem threatened by his writing.  -Buck
turquoiseb writes: The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES 
HE IS ENLIGHTENED somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for 
being enlightened.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

That's pretty funny, Share.
I imagine the exchange went something like this.
Barry's FFL Secretary: Sir, I think you should see this.
BW: What is it! Can't you see I'm busy updating my list of things I don't like, 
people I find stupid, and, of course, things I can berate "believers" about.
BS: But sir, I think..
BW: Okay, what is it already!
BS: Sir, it 's from Flannegan.  he says, sir, that, .that, you're envious 
of his enlightenment.
BW: What! Why didn't you tell me this before!  What am I paying you for?  Let 
me exit out of this list, page 4 and address this. And keep me informed of any 
other developments along these lines.  I have a reputation to uphold!
BS: Yes sir.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

dear FFL Person who has become turq's secretary...REALLY?!

  From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife  
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] There IS someone on FFL dumber than JohnR !!!
 
 I have to thank the person who just forwarded a quote from Jimbo The Faux 
Enlightened to me, cuz otherwise I wouldn't have seen it and laughed this hard. 
The quote was:
       "Good example is Barry's naked and raw envy of my enlightened state."
I really LOVE this, because it actually tops JohnR's ludicrous and clueless, 
"Atheists are really angry at God" quote. That one was laughable because he 
managed to convince himself that people who don't believe in a God are "really" 
angry at the being they don't believe exists. I foolishly thought that nothing 
could *possibly* be more stupid than that. 

But now comes Jimbo's quote, putting JohnR's in the shade.  :-)
The person WHO CANNOT PRODUCE A *SINGLE PERSON* WHO BELIEVES HE IS ENLIGHTENED 
somehow wants you to believe that I am *envious* of him for being enlightened. 

Did these people spend their time in meditation sniffing glue? What *happened* 
to their brains to make them this dense? I've honestly met more intelligent 
turnips.  :-)  :-)  :-)
Free clue, Mr. Enlightened Trailer Trash -- NO ONE believes you are 
enlightened. Thus NO ONE is in any way "envious" of your "enlightened state." 
You're just demonstrating the extent of your narcissism.  




  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

So Bucky, how is the fight against the Heartland Project going?

  From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 6:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest
   
    "Buck" is being a drama queen again. The video he is pooh-poohing 
*accomplished its purpose*, with no marches and no posturing in the streets. 
LEGO, a multi-billion-dollar company, took one look at how its association with 
Shell was perceived, and canceled that association forever. Greenpeace won, 
LEGO won, and Shell lost. 

"Buck" seems to prefer making a bunch of noise and posturing about things, but 
accomplishing nothing -- all while claiming to be better than others who 
actually accomplish things. In other words, the same approach he's always taken 
to complaining about the TMO. 
On another level, it is *ludicrous* for a loudmouth like "Buck" to talk about 
"action." The most he's ever done is bitch on the Internet, while hiding behind 
a pseudonym. 

REAL "taking action" would be talking in plain language (not the flowery 
blissninny-speak he prefers) in local newspapers and TV stations, under his 
*real name*, Doug Hamilton. Until that happens, I think we can safely dismiss 
"Buck" as just a posturing coward. 
 

 From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest
   
    Nay, this video production Turq is offering does not spur responsetowards 
action. It is just cute. It is quite time for people torally and improve their 
way of lives. We all must get back to acarbon footprint of about an 1820 
standard of GDC if this green planetis going to continue to host us and our 
children at all. It is justa matter of science fact. It is quite time that 
science drivespublic policy, not corporations and consumption. Slick produced 
Videos and then someprofessionally written technical excuses by corporate 
running dogslike this rot that comes in response from Leiden are not much 
morethan the lackey work of anesthetizing the working masses towardstheir 
collective graves. It is come a time for a spiritualrevolution for all humanity 
and for the good of all the life of thewhole planet against all human activity 
that disrupts our atmosphereand climate. It is a thin atmosphere here and a 
very small elementthat regulates the temperature here. It is not enough to just 
sit byidly in coffee shops on the internet. Jai Guru Dev,-Buck
sharelong60@...> wrote :
Thanks, Mike, you got me rethinking this...

  From: "Mike Dixon mdixon.6569@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest
 
 Funny thing is, the oil will flow one way or another.Does it make it's way  to 
refineries via a stable pipeline, one of thousands or by way of truck or 
train/. How many rail way accidents have we seen this past year involving the 
movement of oil?We see tanker cars off rail, spilling the crude, leaving a 
greater environmental mess to clean up, using tax dollars that could be used 
more productively.< Meanwhile, a female US senator is about to lose her job 
because  her party and President refuse to build the pipeline which offers high 
paying jobs, so sorely needed. These protests, great or small, puts Republicans 
in a very good light, fighting for more jobs against a president and party who 
don't care how people live but that they just get their vote.< An oil glut 
means greater competition for petroleum dollars. Fewer *bucks* for Arabs and 
Persians that would use those dollars to do harm. It means cheaper 
transportation for us and our goods that move about the country and world. It 
means more money in our pockets to do the things we want to do like buying that 
new mantra or that extra jar of Amrit or a PK package or even more research on 
more efficient energy sources and production. We just keep shooting ourselves 
in the foot to look like we *care*.


  From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 6:02 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pipeline Protest
 
 Thankfully there is currently a world glut of oil, which at least makes hugely 
expensive endeavors like drilling in the arctic, less profitable. On the other 
hand, having so much oil available also decreases the incentives to find 
alternative fuel sources. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


effective protest or not, I thought it was an extremely well done piece and 
made its point well.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :



More Effective Protest?  Ha, ha, ha.  That video is not going to affect GDC 
[Gross Domestic Consumption] or decrease the emission of heat-trapping gas 
anywhere except proly  increase the gross sales of LEGOS in the first-world 
t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Most Absurd Rumor

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

What were you expecting?

  From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 10:40 AM
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    Funny about Adya, I love his writing. But when he came to FF and spoke in 
person, I was somewhat disappointed. Maybe he's an introvert by nature...

 

 From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

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 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:17 PM
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    The Zen trained Adyashanti had this to say about 'enlightenment success':
'When I looked around at the Buddhist tradition, I realized that the success 
rate was terrible. People were in it for enlightenment, but very few were 
actually getting enlightened. If this were a business, I thought, we'd be 
bankrupt.'
'I think it's unfortunate that a person can spend hour after hour, day after 
day, year after year, dedicating his life to enlightenment, and yet the very 
notion that anybody attains enlightenment is a taboo. We're all going after 
this; but God forbid somebody says they've realized it. We don't believe them, 
we're cynical, we have doubt; we go immediately into a semi- (or overt) attack 
mode. To me, it highlights the fact that people are chasing an awakening they 
don't believe could happen to them. That's a barrier, and the biggest one... 
And when people have breakthroughs and talk about them in public, awakening 
loses its mystique. Everyone else can see that it's not just special people who 
have deep awakenings, it's their neighbor or their best friend.'
The TMO seemed to do pretty well for a while selling something nobody seems to 
have found. Perhaps one reason for this is the ideas we have in our heads about 
what enlightenment is supposed to be. The usual ideas about what enlightenment 
is, are something out of a comic book, something fantastical. Maybe it is 
something not quite so interesting to talk about, something so familiar that 
you discount it entirely.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

MJ, speak for yourself! I was never chasing enlightenment. I simply wanted to 
fulfill my desires.

  From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 1:29 PM
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 And yet from the very beginning of the Movement till about the 1980's 
enlightenment was what we were all chasing and what Marshy emphasized over and 
over. Till it became obvious that no one was getting enlightened even with the 
10,000 times more powerful than TM TMSP program so he switched to world peace.



  From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 2:26 PM
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 First of all, I'm familiar with spiritual groups who proclaim people 
enlightened. I didn't always agree with their proclamations! And as mentioned, 
I know of a group who gives certificates of enlightenment.  Maybe they use 
different criteria than me! I also know people in the TMO who I think are 
pretty darn enlightened. But of course they don't proclaim themselves as such. 
The whole thing is such a hodge podge that I simply ignore all the posturing 
and go by my own sense of a person. And actually, it doesn't matter to me 
whether or not they're "enlightened." There are other qualities that I value 
more. 


  From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

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 Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 12:06 PM
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 From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]"
 

On 11/18/2014 09:17 AM, TurquoiseBeeturquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:


  From: "Bhairitunoozguru@... [FairfieldLife]"

On11/18/2014 04:26 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:
  It'snot so much a rumor, more ofa sales pitch or claim, butI've always gotten 
a chucklefrom "TM is the fastest pathto enlightenment on theplanet," coming 
from anorganization that in over 50years has been unable toproduce even a 
single personthey can point at and say,"This person is enlightened,and got that 
way as a resultof practicing TM."



What organizationdoes?
Just to make apoint about the kinds ofbullshit humans are willing toaccept, 
think about the TM salespitch for enlightenment,compared to almost anything 
elsebeing sold on this planet:
-- "So, that'syour introductory lecture. Justsign here, pay us your $75, andwe 
promise you that you will befully enlightened in fiveyears."  (Please notethat 
this actually *happened*with the TM movement.)
--"Sounds good, but looking intomy crystal ball that shows methe future, I can 
see that whatyou're trying to sell me isn'tgoing to cost me only $75, buttens 
of thousands ofdollars over 30 or 40 years, topay for all the extra coursesand 
'add-ons' you'll try to