Re: [Elecraft] I Don't Mean to Steal Eric's Thunder but ...

[David Ferrington, M0XDF]

It supports AM receive and has since I got my K3 at xmas
73 de M0XDF / K3 #174


On 01/03/2008 02:30, Don Rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

 (I wonder if the firmware supports FM yet?)
 
 Or AM receive... Inquiring minds want to know.
 
 The chances that I'll ever use the K3 on AM transmit
 are very low given the hollow state rigs I have here,
 but I'd really like to use that FM roofer for AM and
 SSB wideband receive.
 
 Thanks for stirring the pot Gary. !!! ;-)
 
 
 [Elecraft] I Don't Mean to Steal Eric's Thunder but
 ...
 Gary Hvizdak garyhvizdak at cfl.rr.com
 Fri Feb 29 21:07:16 EST 2008
 
 
 
 The shipping status page is still dated February 15th,
 but it now shows the
 status of FM B/W filter as in stock!
 
 (I wonder if the firmware supports FM yet?)
 
 73,

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Re: [Elecraft] Just Say No.

[N2EY]

In a message dated 2/29/08 8:08:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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 it was made in China?
 
No. Justno.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order

[Bill W4ZV]

Walter Gilles wrote:
 
 
 It’s about the Elecraft team, and how they run their
 business.  It has to do with the passion they exhibit
 for what they do, the integrity with which they
 execute their enterprise, and the collaborative
 quality of their customers’ experience.
 
 I own transceivers from the big three offshore
 manufacturers – Kenwood, Icom and Yaesu.  I like what
 I have, but I might as well have purchased them from a
 vending machine.  
 
 

You hit the nail on the head Walter!  You're buying more than a
product...you're buying part of a company named Elecraft.  I had to chuckle
when I saw the following on the IC-7800 list:

VA7OJ:

One cannot really compare the Elecraft and Icom RD operations in any
meaningful way. In the test-equipment world, Wavetek vs. HP/Agilent or RS
might be a reasonable comparison.

Forgetting the supercilious tone, I have news for Adam.  Indeed you cannot
compare the operations in any meaningful way.  The customer responsiveness
of the Elecraft team is about 100 dB better than Icom will ever be.  I have
the privilege of being on the K3 Field Test team and their engineering
talent and responsiveness is even more awesome than you can imagine.  I've
seen fixes to fairly complex issues implemented in a matter of hours (the
hardware AGC issue comes to mind).  There truly is no comparison to the
customer focus and responsiveness of the two companies.  The most recent
question from Wayne on this list regarding the K3's I/II function being a
very good example.  I don't recall ever seeing any request for direct
customer input from l'Icom.  I wonder if Adam has ever head the story of his
namesake and Goliath?

I've also had the privilege of working for Hewlett-Packard (Test 
Measurement side) for ~30 years.  Elecraft very much reminds me of the
passionate company under Bill and Dave that  I joined in 1966.  That $200M
company then grew to well over $100B today, so small companies sometimes do
become larger ones under good leadership.

Elecraft is totally focused on amateur radio...not the LMR market, not
cellphones, not audio equipment.  Speaking as a ham, that's a very good
thing!  It's also one of the major reasons we're seeing American companies
(Elecraft, Flex-Radio and Ten-Tec) now dominating the performance charts
over larger companies focused on many other markets.  Goliath better wake up
before it's too late!

Welcome to the K3, the company and the community here.

73,  Bill  W4ZV


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[Elecraft] K3 product reveiws - 2 down, 1 to go?

[DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL]

Sherwood:  done
ARRL:  done
RadCom:  ???

Does RadCom have a K3 for testing?

I dropped my sub some time ago...is Peter Hart still the reviewer?

de Doug KR2Q
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order

[Jerry Keller (K3BZ)]

Bill... not that it makes any real difference to the point you were
making but it's David and Goliath. Anyway, I have a K3 on order for all
the reasons you gave and at least one more I've been under the
impression that Elecraft's products are made in the USA.  But some
comments here on the reflector have made me wonder how true that is... do
you happen to know?
73, Jerry K3BZ


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Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order





Walter Gilles wrote:



It’s about the Elecraft team, and how they run their
business.  It has to do with the passion they exhibit
for what they do, the integrity with which they
execute their enterprise, and the collaborative
quality of their customers’ experience.

I own transceivers from the big three offshore
manufacturers – Kenwood, Icom and Yaesu.  I like what
I have, but I might as well have purchased them from a
vending machine.




You hit the nail on the head Walter!  You're buying more than a
product...you're buying part of a company named Elecraft.  I had to chuckle
when I saw the following on the IC-7800 list:

VA7OJ:

One cannot really compare the Elecraft and Icom RD operations in any
meaningful way. In the test-equipment world, Wavetek vs. HP/Agilent or RS
might be a reasonable comparison.

Forgetting the supercilious tone, I have news for Adam.  Indeed you cannot
compare the operations in any meaningful way.  The customer responsiveness
of the Elecraft team is about 100 dB better than Icom will ever be.  I have
the privilege of being on the K3 Field Test team and their engineering
talent and responsiveness is even more awesome than you can imagine.  I've
seen fixes to fairly complex issues implemented in a matter of hours (the
hardware AGC issue comes to mind).  There truly is no comparison to the
customer focus and responsiveness of the two companies.  The most recent
question from Wayne on this list regarding the K3's I/II function being a
very good example.  I don't recall ever seeing any request for direct
customer input from l'Icom.  I wonder if Adam has ever head the story of his
namesake and Goliath?

I've also had the privilege of working for Hewlett-Packard (Test 
Measurement side) for ~30 years.  Elecraft very much reminds me of the
passionate company under Bill and Dave that  I joined in 1966.  That $200M
company then grew to well over $100B today, so small companies sometimes do
become larger ones under good leadership.

Elecraft is totally focused on amateur radio...not the LMR market, not
cellphones, not audio equipment.  Speaking as a ham, that's a very good
thing!  It's also one of the major reasons we're seeing American companies
(Elecraft, Flex-Radio and Ten-Tec) now dominating the performance charts
over larger companies focused on many other markets.  Goliath better wake up
before it's too late!

Welcome to the K3, the company and the community here.

73,  Bill  W4ZV


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order

[Bill W4ZV]

Bill W4ZV wrote:
 
 
  I wonder if Adam has ever head the story of his namesake and Goliath?
 

Oops...wrong Icom zealot...thinking of KY1V.  :-)

73,  Bill

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 product reveiws - 2 down, 1 to go?

[David Cutter]

Yes, Peter is still the reviewer and we have regular reviews of the latest 
and greatest, but we don't know in advance.


David
G3UNA



Sherwood:  done
ARRL:  done
RadCom:  ???

Does RadCom have a K3 for testing?

I dropped my sub some time ago...is Peter Hart still the reviewer?

de Doug KR2Q


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[Elecraft] Calling the ELECRAFT Users Groups on SSB starting Sunday

[Windy Dankoff KM5Q]

I've gotten about 10 big thank-you's for starting this group. The Thursday
evening kick-off had 6 check-ins but lots QRM. 

I got favorable responses for having separate K2 and K3 groups, so those
with specific concerns aren't left out half the time. I am taking a more
diplomatic approach now, giving equal recognition for K2/3 users and
postponing the split until the group decides (or not).

We still have to confirm find our frequencies.  Since Europe has broadcast
QRM on 7195, I've changed that frequency to 7185, noted below.

If you know of conflicts on either frequency, please make a better
suggestion. I did a partial search on ARRL net list and did't see conflicts,
but -- ?


- ELECRAFT USERS GROUP ON SSB 
 SECOND DRAFT SCHEDULE - Feb. 29 2008

MONDAY  THURSDAY EVENINGS  (day according to local time N. America)
starting 0200 UTC  (9PM EST / 6PM PST)  until ?
7.185 MHz

SUNDAY AFTERNOONS
2100 UTC  (4PM EST / 1PM PST)  to 2300 UTC
14.235 MHz

PROCEDURE:
Listen +/- 5 kHz. If nobody's there, call CQ Elecraft Users Group. When
identifying, add in the Elecraft Users Group frequently, to help others
find us.


This isn't my net. It's OURS. I welcome YOUR efforts to help organize.

Windy KM5Q
Net Catalyst
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K3#?? due in late March
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[Elecraft] K3 build rate

[DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL]

Thanks for the update.  In round numbers, output now seems to be
around 200 per month, although Feb is a short month.  ;-)

For many, it must be like watching an old-fashioned egg timer - the
big pile of sand on top with only a few grains at a time passing
through the waist to exit at the bottom.  I am glad that I now have
mine, but I remember the long wait (8 months for mine).  It's a great
radio and once you get yours, the memory of the wait will begin to
fade.  But until then...it is tough while you're waiting.  Just
remember - everybody is staying in the queue for a good reason.  Hang
in there.

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Re: [Elecraft] Just Say No.

[S Sacco]

If, for the sake of argument (and this IS just a what if exercise,
after all), they COULD make a K3 somewhere else at a lower cost, and
offered you a choice:

1) U.S. made K3 with a collection of options that costs $2,500

or

2) Somewhere else made K3 with the same options that costs $1,500.
(Again, I'm making that number up).

Which would you choose?

If you chose #2, here's another question:  Would you ever spend more
for the identical unit made in the U.S.?  If so, how much more?

I'm very happy to have them here in the U.S., even if that means
acknowledging that California IS part of it.  :-)

73,

Steve NN4X



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 In a message dated 2/29/08 8:08:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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   it was made in China?
  
  No. Justno.

  73 de Jim, N2EY



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 build rate

[N2EY]

In a message dated 3/1/08 8:10:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:


 In round numbers, output now seems to be
 around 200 per month, 

 For many, it must be like watching an old-fashioned egg timer - the
 big pile of sand on top with only a few grains at a time passing
 through the waist to exit at the bottom.  I am glad that I now have
 mine, but I remember the long wait (8 months for mine). 

Remember too that a lot of the wait was for the first production units to be 
completed. There were several months when none were shipped but many were 
being ordered, so the backlog was building; now it's been reduced. Perhaps the 
publication of the reviews and the record-breaking results of Ducie Island (at 
the bottom of the cycle, too!) will generate huge numbers of new orders.

Meanwhile - where's that piggy bank?

73 de Jim, N2EY




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[Elecraft] K3 Fine/Coarse VFO settings

[James Denneny]

Eric / Wayne - This may be pilot error on my part as I have only had the
radio a few days but I noted a nuisance issue during the ARRL SSB DX
Contest.  I was operating split vfo on 40M.  Both VFO's were set to fine
tune.  I decided to switch vfo B to coarse so I could qsy rapidly to an
announced qrg frequency above 7125.  I discovered if I set vfo B to coarse
tune that vfo A also switches to coarse tune.

 

It would be slick if the firmware enabled independent switching of vfo A or
Vfo B to fine/coarse.  That would enable fine tuning for stations on vfo A
while coarse tuning vfo B in split operation.  I realize it is possible to
enter vfo B freq from keypad but that would be awkward and a hassle in an
ssb contest situation on 40M.

 

I also hope that as soon as the second receiver design issues settle that
Wayne will be able to produce the complete programmers reference manual.  My
Microham Microkeyer has the hiccups with the K3 in some modes.

 

Thanks for your consideration

 

73

 

Jim

K7EG

 

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[Elecraft] ICOM ProIII price reductions // The K3 Effect

[S Sacco]

I note from the ProIII reflector that new ProIII's can now be had for
as little as $2384.10.

I guess we could call it The K3 Effect?

As always, it's interesting watching the market reactions to new gear.

73,

Steve NN4X
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order

[Bill Tippett]

Hi Jerry,

On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Jerry Keller (K3BZ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Bill... not that it makes any real difference to the point you were
  making but it's David and Goliath.

Yes, too early and I corrected that...was thinking of David KY1V.

Anyway, I have a K3 on order for all
  the reasons you gave and at least one more I've been under the
  impression that Elecraft's products are made in the USA.  But some
  comments here on the reflector have made me wonder how true that is... do
  you happen to know?

Since most Elecraft products are kits, they are actually made
everywhere (by the kit builder).  If you mean the components inside
them, I'm sure they're sourced from many places.  It would be very
difficult to find parts if you stipulated that all must come from the
USA.  I've been on the list since I built a K2 about 4 years ago but
haven't noticed many comments about this...maybe I just wasn't paying
attention.  I'm fairly sure Elecraft does all final test and assembly
of the K3 in Aptos, outsources SMD board-stuffing (not sure to whom)
and the components come from everywhere.  What matters most to me is
where the products are designed (i.e. the real value-added in today's
world).

I believe the 3 American companies (Elecraft, Flex and Ten-Tec) have
the business model of the future (which may apply to many other areas
besides ham radio):

1.  Distribute directly instead of via distributors...thereby saving
significant costs (somewhat like Dell did with PCs).

2.  Make heavy use of the Internet as a tool for customer feedback,
firmware updates, building customer loyalty, etc.

3.  Listen to customers intently and respond promptly (this is the
real key to success IMHO).

4.  Enable other companies to facilitate your own success.  N8LP's
LP-PAN and VE3NEA's CW Skimmer are going to have a **huge** impact on
the success of the K3.  I truly doubt that the Big-3 have the
slightest comprehension of the impact this may have in strengthening
the K3's success in the marketplace.

It's a very simple but powerful model that the Big-3 have yet to
figure out...probably influenced by their language barrier.  By the
time they figure it out, the world may have vastly changed on them.

73,  Bill  W4ZV

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[Elecraft] VP6DX K3 Configuration(s)

[W0JFR]

Could someone post the configurations of the K3's used by the VP5DX Ducie
Island expedition? I would really like to know which roofing filters they
used.  -- 73, W0JFR
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[Elecraft] [K3] off freq

[David Ferrington, M0XDF]

I'm getting reposts that my VFO is 22Hz off freq low.
This due to my lack of good calibration I'm sure.
What I'm not sure is, do I reduce or increase the freq in REF Cal?


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order

[Jerry Keller (K3BZ)]

Thanks, Bill When you get down to the component level or even the 
board level I'm sure much has to sourced offshore. Even if we could 
afford what Elecraft would have to pay for onshore labor costs to build 
those boards, I doubt that the skills are adequately available here anymore. 
So of course I meant the the final assembly of the factory assembled K3 
units. I'm glad to hear it's all done in California. (And as kits, in home 
workshops around the globe)
I don't think it's a language barrier that keeps the Big 3 from taking an 
accurate pulse of the amateur community... at least not in this country. 
Nowadays they each have plenty of English speakers in their management. But 
do they have real hams doing their design work? Do they have real hams 
getting real-time feedback from the users? Probably not so much. As you 
point out, that is what makes Elecraft really special we knows 'em, and 
they is us.

73, Jerry K3BZ

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From: Bill Tippett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Jerry Keller (K3BZ) [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order



Hi Jerry,

On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Jerry Keller (K3BZ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Bill... not that it makes any real difference to the point you were
 making but it's David and Goliath.


Yes, too early and I corrected that...was thinking of David KY1V.

Anyway, I have a K3 on order for all

 the reasons you gave and at least one more I've been under the
 impression that Elecraft's products are made in the USA.  But some
 comments here on the reflector have made me wonder how true that is... 
do

 you happen to know?


Since most Elecraft products are kits, they are actually made
everywhere (by the kit builder).  If you mean the components inside
them, I'm sure they're sourced from many places.  It would be very
difficult to find parts if you stipulated that all must come from the
USA.  I've been on the list since I built a K2 about 4 years ago but
haven't noticed many comments about this...maybe I just wasn't paying
attention.  I'm fairly sure Elecraft does all final test and assembly
of the K3 in Aptos, outsources SMD board-stuffing (not sure to whom)
and the components come from everywhere.  What matters most to me is
where the products are designed (i.e. the real value-added in today's
world).

I believe the 3 American companies (Elecraft, Flex and Ten-Tec) have
the business model of the future (which may apply to many other areas
besides ham radio):

1.  Distribute directly instead of via distributors...thereby saving
significant costs (somewhat like Dell did with PCs).

2.  Make heavy use of the Internet as a tool for customer feedback,
firmware updates, building customer loyalty, etc.

3.  Listen to customers intently and respond promptly (this is the
real key to success IMHO).

4.  Enable other companies to facilitate your own success.  N8LP's
LP-PAN and VE3NEA's CW Skimmer are going to have a **huge** impact on
the success of the K3.  I truly doubt that the Big-3 have the
slightest comprehension of the impact this may have in strengthening
the K3's success in the marketplace.

It's a very simple but powerful model that the Big-3 have yet to
figure out...probably influenced by their language barrier.  By the
time they figure it out, the world may have vastly changed on them.

73,  Bill  W4ZV

P.S.  Copying to the list since others might have comments. 


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Re: [Elecraft] Just Say No.

[Jon K Hellan]

S Sacco wrote:

If you chose #2, here's another question:  Would you ever spend more
for the identical unit made in the U.S.?  If so, how much more?


Certainly not. I don't care in *which* foreigh country it is made :-)

73
LA4RT Jon, Trondheim, Norway
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 build rate

[Dave Hachadorian]

It looks like the delay between ordering and receipt has now 
dropped to just under 8 months (~7.9). I'm watching that 
number. It has to drop to 3 months by May, in order for me 
to receive mine as scheduled.


Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ








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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order

[Bill Tippett]

On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Jerry Keller (K3BZ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I don't think it's a language barrier that keeps the Big 3 from taking an
  accurate pulse of the amateur community... at least not in this country.
  Nowadays they each have plenty of English speakers in their management. But
  do they have real hams doing their design work? Do they have real hams
  getting real-time feedback from the users? Probably not so much. As you
  point out, that is what makes Elecraft really special we knows 'em, and
  they is us.

Sadly I think it's more than that.  I believe it's more
a case of the big company syndrome.  Customer feedback
gets lost in the process.  My personal example is Yaesu and
the infamous FT-1000 family's key clicks.  I spoke to Chip K7JA
who was then their main USA contact many times about this issue.
I'm sure Chip understood what I was saying and I'm sure he tried
to communicate with Japan.  Yet it took no less than 15 years (!)
for Yaesu to implement the fix in production.  Why  Elecraft
would have done it in a matter of hours!

The really strange thing to me is that most Japanese
companies are zealous practitioners of Deming, kaizen, etc
all of which stress the importance of meeting customer needs
and applying that to continuous process improvement.  Something
was badly broken inside the Yaesu company somewhere.

I'll leave you with a favorite quote from Wayne N6KR...it's
paraphrased since I can't find the exact reference:

It's possible for engineers to understand customers' comments
and ignore them...except around here.

This is truly what sets the company apart and ahead of all others.

73,  Bill  W4ZV
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Re: [Elecraft] Just Say No.

[Tom McCulloch]

This is really off topic...but here goes.

First of all please don't try to question our patriotism, if you aren't then 
please accept my apology for that comment.


Secondly, IMHO the option of choosing between number one and number two just 
couldn't happen (I realize you said what if---but we could also say what 
if pigs could fly -- they just can't -- except on another list, of course 
:)  )


The reason it can't happen is because ever since that little experiment in 
Russia failed (Communism) the world has turn to a global society based upon 
Capitalism (even China is embracing it, to a certain extent).


The rules of capitalism would call for the prices of item one and two to be 
pretty darned close, if the quality of the two were comparable.  If not, the 
better quality product would disappear due to its price point being too high 
OR the lesser quality product would go by the wayside because people would 
see it for what it is (a piece of junk not worth the buying no matter how 
appealing the price might be.)  Before this disappearing act happened 
though, the product which saw its sales go down would either A) in the case 
of the better product, cut its production costs (and quality) to become 
price competitive or B) in the case of the lesser quality product, makes 
itself a better quality product but find the need to raise its price due to 
added production costs.


However, the hypothesis posted here seems to be saying the quality is the 
same...OK.  Take a ride on any major U.S. highway and tell me how many 
foreign built automobiles you see there...quite a few, I think you'd agree. 
These cars are more or less comparably priced with American built cars in 
the same class, because that is the price the market will bear.  (Let's 
assume for now that they are comparably built also...we won't get into that 
discussion).  Be assured that the price of those foreign cars is being set 
by the marketplace.  How can we be so sure?  Because of the fact that they 
are set in U.S. dollars and being built with (say) the Euro (we'll buy a 
European car).  Did you ever stop and think why the prices of foreign autos 
has not skyrocketed with the recent dramatic fall of the US dollar versus 
other currencies?  It's because the market can't bear it.  When the Euro and 
the Dollar were (more or less) on a par with each, a one dollar sale raised 
1 Euro.  Today a one sale yields about 0.67 Euros.  The German manufacturer 
(I decided on a Mercedes :)  )  is getting less money (in Euros) than he 
was, although the price here in the States has stayed pretty constant (in 
dollars).  So why doesn't he raise his price?...well, he can't because no 
one will spend that much for his product.  OK, so how is he able to sell the 
cars ... A) because he was making a lot of profit based on what the 
Capitalistic market will allow him to charge in the past (having not much to 
do with what it cost him to build the thing) and now his profit is more in 
line or B) he can't and he will raise his prices, be less competitive and 
probably lose a lot of his market share to the American built cars (this is 
why the Fed is encouraging the dollar to drop against foreign 
currencies---to discourage foreign trade with the US (making home built 
products more attractive to US purchasers) and to encourage US exports 
(things are really cheap in the eyes of the person buying things in Euros, 
etc.). )


So I think this original post gets back to patriotism and those bumper 
stickers that say Buy American and all which that implies.


I'm an American, all things being equal I buy American, but the question 
posted here is moot, because Capitalism works and we're darn lucky to have 
it.


Tom
WB2QDG

Note to Eric -- please pull this thread its *REALLY* OT.


- Original Message - 
From: S Sacco [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just Say No.



If, for the sake of argument (and this IS just a what if exercise,
after all), they COULD make a K3 somewhere else at a lower cost, and
offered you a choice:

1) U.S. made K3 with a collection of options that costs $2,500

or

2) Somewhere else made K3 with the same options that costs $1,500.
(Again, I'm making that number up).

Which would you choose?

If you chose #2, here's another question:  Would you ever spend more
for the identical unit made in the U.S.?  If so, how much more?

I'm very happy to have them here in the U.S., even if that means
acknowledging that California IS part of it.  :-)

73,

Steve NN4X



On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 7:06 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 2/29/08 8:08:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


  it was made in China?
 
 No. Justno.

 73 de Jim, N2EY



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Re: [Elecraft] Just Say No.

[Tom McCulloch]

Jon -- Well said :)

Tom 
wb2qdg
- Original Message - 
From: Jon K Hellan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: S Sacco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just Say No.



S Sacco wrote:

If you chose #2, here's another question:  Would you ever spend more
for the identical unit made in the U.S.?  If so, how much more?


Certainly not. I don't care in *which* foreigh country it is made :-)

73
LA4RT Jon, Trondheim, Norway
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

We absolutely make K3s in the U.S. (In Aptos and Monterey, CA.) 

We do not plan on taking K3 manufacturing off shore. Period. 

We are well below the capacity of our current line and it is increasing output 
each month. :-)
 
Off-shoring the K3 would -not- significantly reduce our costs in the relatively 
low monthly volumes needed for the HF amateur market. (We're nowhere near 
plasma TV or other consumer volumes.)  Our raw parts already come from all over 
the world and are bought in volume. It would introduce a huge risk for quality 
control and would way overload our resources bringing up a new off shore line, 
which can take 6 to 18 months to get fully rolling.. (I've been there in one of 
my previous Silicon Valley lives. :-)

Keeping manufacturing close allows us to be tightly focused,  react quickly and 
keep our quality high.  Much like the immediate (and sometimes overwhelming ;-) 
feedback we get from the Elecraft list.

73,

Eric   WA6HHQ
_..._
-Original Message-
From: Jerry Keller (K3BZ) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, Mar 1, 2008 4:48 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order
To: Bill W4ZV [EMAIL PROTECTED], elecraft@mailman.qth.net

Bill... not that it makes any real difference to the point you were
making but it's David and Goliath. Anyway, I have a K3 on order for all the 
reasons you gave and at least one more I've been under the
impression that Elecraft's products are made in the USA.  But some
comments here on the reflector have made me wonder how true that is... do you 
happen to know?
73, Jerry K3BZ


- Original Message - From: Bill W4ZV [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order





Walter Gilles wrote:


 It’s about the Elecraft team, and how they run their
 business.  It has to do with the passion they exhibit
 for what they do, the integrity with which they
 execute their enterprise, and the collaborative
 quality of their customers’ experience.

 I own transceivers from the big three offshore
 manufacturers – Kenwood, Icom and Yaesu.  I like what
 I have, but I might as well have purchased them from a
 vending machine.



You hit the nail on the head Walter!  You're buying more than a
product...you're buying part of a company named Elecraft.  I had to chuckle 
when I saw the following on the IC-7800 list:

VA7OJ:

One cannot really compare the Elecraft and Icom RD operations in any 
meaningful way. In the test-equipment world, Wavetek vs. HP/Agilent or RS 
might be a reasonable comparison.

Forgetting the supercilious tone, I have news for Adam.  Indeed you cannot 
compare the operations in any meaningful way.  The customer responsiveness of 
the Elecraft team is about 100 dB better than Icom will ever be.  I have the 
privilege of being on the K3 Field Test team and their engineering talent and 
responsiveness is even more awesome than you can imagine.  I've seen fixes to 
fairly complex issues implemented in a matter of hours (the hardware AGC issue 
comes to mind).  There truly is no comparison to the customer focus and 
responsiveness of the two companies.  The most recent question from Wayne on 
this list regarding the K3's I/II function being a very good example.  I don't 
recall ever seeing any request for direct customer input from l'Icom.  I wonder 
if Adam has ever head the story of his namesake and Goliath?

I've also had the privilege of working for Hewlett-Packard (Test 
Measurement side) for ~30 years.  Elecraft very much reminds me of the 
passionate company under Bill and

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Re: [Elecraft] Just Say No.

[David Cutter]

Somebody once said Don't let patriotism get in the way of a good decision 
or words that effect.  I think they were talking about the Buy America 
Act.  Whatever happened to that?


My $ are going to Elecraft -  a foreign company.

David
G3UNA 


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RE: [Elecraft] Just Say No.

[Jim]

Geez!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom McCulloch
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:54 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just Say No.

This is really off topic...but here goes.

First of all please don't try to question our patriotism, if you aren't then

please accept my apology for that comment.

Secondly, IMHO the option of choosing between number one and number two just

couldn't happen (I realize you said what if---but we could also say what 
if pigs could fly -- they just can't -- except on another list, of course 
:)  )

The reason it can't happen is because ever since that little experiment in 
Russia failed (Communism) the world has turn to a global society based upon 
Capitalism (even China is embracing it, to a certain extent).

The rules of capitalism would call for the prices of item one and two to be 
pretty darned close, if the quality of the two were comparable.  If not, the

better quality product would disappear due to its price point being too high

OR the lesser quality product would go by the wayside because people would 
see it for what it is (a piece of junk not worth the buying no matter how 
appealing the price might be.)  Before this disappearing act happened 
though, the product which saw its sales go down would either A) in the case 
of the better product, cut its production costs (and quality) to become 
price competitive or B) in the case of the lesser quality product, makes 
itself a better quality product but find the need to raise its price due to 
added production costs.

However, the hypothesis posted here seems to be saying the quality is the 
same...OK.  Take a ride on any major U.S. highway and tell me how many 
foreign built automobiles you see there...quite a few, I think you'd agree. 
These cars are more or less comparably priced with American built cars in 
the same class, because that is the price the market will bear.  (Let's 
assume for now that they are comparably built also...we won't get into that 
discussion).  Be assured that the price of those foreign cars is being set 
by the marketplace.  How can we be so sure?  Because of the fact that they 
are set in U.S. dollars and being built with (say) the Euro (we'll buy a 
European car).  Did you ever stop and think why the prices of foreign autos 
has not skyrocketed with the recent dramatic fall of the US dollar versus 
other currencies?  It's because the market can't bear it.  When the Euro and

the Dollar were (more or less) on a par with each, a one dollar sale raised 
1 Euro.  Today a one sale yields about 0.67 Euros.  The German manufacturer 
(I decided on a Mercedes :)  )  is getting less money (in Euros) than he 
was, although the price here in the States has stayed pretty constant (in 
dollars).  So why doesn't he raise his price?...well, he can't because no 
one will spend that much for his product.  OK, so how is he able to sell the

cars ... A) because he was making a lot of profit based on what the 
Capitalistic market will allow him to charge in the past (having not much to

do with what it cost him to build the thing) and now his profit is more in 
line or B) he can't and he will raise his prices, be less competitive and 
probably lose a lot of his market share to the American built cars (this is 
why the Fed is encouraging the dollar to drop against foreign 
currencies---to discourage foreign trade with the US (making home built 
products more attractive to US purchasers) and to encourage US exports 
(things are really cheap in the eyes of the person buying things in Euros,

etc.). )

So I think this original post gets back to patriotism and those bumper 
stickers that say Buy American and all which that implies.

I'm an American, all things being equal I buy American, but the question 
posted here is moot, because Capitalism works and we're darn lucky to have 
it.

Tom
WB2QDG

Note to Eric -- please pull this thread its *REALLY* OT.


- Original Message - 
From: S Sacco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just Say No.


 If, for the sake of argument (and this IS just a what if exercise,
 after all), they COULD make a K3 somewhere else at a lower cost, and
 offered you a choice:

 1) U.S. made K3 with a collection of options that costs $2,500

 or

 2) Somewhere else made K3 with the same options that costs $1,500.
 (Again, I'm making that number up).

 Which would you choose?

 If you chose #2, here's another question:  Would you ever spend more
 for the identical unit made in the U.S.?  If so, how much more?

 I'm very happy to have them here in the U.S., even if that means
 acknowledging that California IS part of it.  :-)

 73,

 Steve NN4X



 On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 7:06 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a message dated 2/29/08 8:08:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


   it was made in China?
  

[Elecraft] Help! K3 data exit?

[H. Cary III]

I need reflector help!
I love my K3 but it seems to be smarter than I am.  Earlier this week I was 
working PSK-31 on 10 and 15 meters.  Now with the contest this weekend, I want 
to work USB on those bands but the K3 is in DATA Mode and I can't figure out 
how to exit and get USB back on 15 and 10 meters.  I've read the operating 
manual about primary controls on page 13 and about DATA Modes on page 31 but 
still find no reference to how to exit.
I figure it must be simple but it sure has me stumped.
Can anyone help? I'd sure appreciate it!
73,
H Cary, K4TM
K3-100 #178
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order

[Jerry Keller (K3BZ)]

Well, Chip is certainly a real ham, but obviously nobody in a decision 
making capacity was listening to him. But the same is true to one extent or 
another with ICOM and Kenwood. Too many layers of management that aren't 
real hams and have other agenda. They send suits to Dayton but I don't see a 
lot of callsigns. Elecraft has real hams at the top, customers can talk 
directly to them, and ham radio is their only business. I'm thankful they 
also seem to have a good grasp of quality principles. By the way, look where 
Chip is now8^)

73, Jerry K3BZ

- Original Message - 
From: Bill Tippett [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Jerry Keller (K3BZ) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order



On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 9:30 AM, Jerry Keller (K3BZ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't think it's a language barrier that keeps the Big 3 from taking 
an

 accurate pulse of the amateur community... at least not in this country.
 Nowadays they each have plenty of English speakers in their management. 
But

 do they have real hams doing their design work? Do they have real hams
 getting real-time feedback from the users? Probably not so much. As you
 point out, that is what makes Elecraft really special we knows 'em, 
and

 they is us.


Sadly I think it's more than that.  I believe it's more
a case of the big company syndrome.  Customer feedback
gets lost in the process.  My personal example is Yaesu and
the infamous FT-1000 family's key clicks.  I spoke to Chip K7JA
who was then their main USA contact many times about this issue.
I'm sure Chip understood what I was saying and I'm sure he tried
to communicate with Japan.  Yet it took no less than 15 years (!)
for Yaesu to implement the fix in production.  Why  Elecraft
would have done it in a matter of hours!

The really strange thing to me is that most Japanese
companies are zealous practitioners of Deming, kaizen, etc
all of which stress the importance of meeting customer needs
and applying that to continuous process improvement.  Something
was badly broken inside the Yaesu company somewhere.

I'll leave you with a favorite quote from Wayne N6KR...it's
paraphrased since I can't find the exact reference:

It's possible for engineers to understand customers' comments
and ignore them...except around here.

This is truly what sets the company apart and ahead of all others.

73,  Bill  W4ZV 


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[Elecraft] Unsubscribing - I've finally had enough.

[Rick Hampton]

Hi, everyone.

The subject line probably says it all.  It has gotten to the point that 
I can't hit the delete button fast enough, even when I don't read the 
messages.  When I first got my KX1 several years ago, the reflector was 
still a resource for building kits and troubleshooting them.  Nowadays 
it seems to be nothing but a way to announce one's general discontent 
with everything from Elecraft's perceived problems (they aren't perfect, 
but if all my vendors at work were one tenth as good, I wouldn't have 
ANY problems), to dissertations on capitalism and isolationism vs. 
globalism.


I'm not sure where the ham radio content went, but since I can't seem to 
find much of it anymore, I'll wish everyone well and spend my time 
elsewhere.


See you on the air.

Rick, WD8KEL
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Re: [Elecraft] Just Say No.

[Stewart Baker]

What affects as all as Radio Amateurs is the increased level of
EMI caused by household items that include Switched Mode PSU's.

Within the EU these should have been tested to the relevant EMC
standards.

It is very apparent that there are a large number of devices which
are either defective, or have never been tested for EMC
compliance.

China is top of the league table for SM PSU's which cause
interference to radio services. In a large number of their power
supplies, components that were designed in to reduce emissions
have been omitted in manufacture for economic expediency.

For this reason, and not any Political motive, I avoid buying any
Chinese electronic products.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
Member RSGB EMC Committee

On Sat, 1 Mar 2008 09:53:51 -0500, Tom McCulloch wrote:
 This is really off topic...but here goes.

 First of all please don't try to question our patriotism, if you
aren't then
 please accept my apology for that comment.

 Secondly, IMHO the option of choosing between number one and
number two just
 couldn't happen (I realize you said what if---but we could
also say what
 if pigs could fly -- they just can't -- except on another list,
of course
 :)  )

 The reason it can't happen is because ever since that little
experiment in
 Russia failed (Communism) the world has turn to a global society
based upon
 Capitalism (even China is embracing it, to a certain extent).

 The rules of capitalism would call for the prices of item one
and two to be
 pretty darned close, if the quality of the two were comparable.
 If not, the
 better quality product would disappear due to its price point
being too high
 OR the lesser quality product would go by the wayside because
people would
 see it for what it is (a piece of junk not worth the buying no
matter how
 appealing the price might be.)  Before this disappearing act
happened
 though, the product which saw its sales go down would either A)
in the case
 of the better product, cut its production costs (and quality) to
become
 price competitive or B) in the case of the lesser quality
product, makes
 itself a better quality product but find the need to raise its
price due to
 added production costs.

 However, the hypothesis posted here seems to be saying the
quality is the
 same...OK.  Take a ride on any major U.S. highway and tell me
how many
 foreign built automobiles you see there...quite a few, I think
you'd agree.
 These cars are more or less comparably priced with American
built cars in
 the same class, because that is the price the market will bear.
 (Let's
 assume for now that they are comparably built also...we won't
get into that
 discussion).  Be assured that the price of those foreign cars is
being set
 by the marketplace.  How can we be so sure?  Because of the fact
that they
 are set in U.S. dollars and being built with (say) the Euro
(we'll buy a
 European car).  Did you ever stop and think why the prices of
foreign autos
 has not skyrocketed with the recent dramatic fall of the US
dollar versus
 other currencies?  It's because the market can't bear it.  When
the Euro and
 the Dollar were (more or less) on a par with each, a one dollar
sale raised
 1 Euro.  Today a one sale yields about 0.67 Euros.  The German
manufacturer
 (I decided on a Mercedes :)  )  is getting less money (in Euros)
than he
 was, although the price here in the States has stayed pretty
constant (in
 dollars).  So why doesn't he raise his price?...well, he can't
because no
 one will spend that much for his product.  OK, so how is he able
to sell the
 cars ... A) because he was making a lot of profit based on what
the
 Capitalistic market will allow him to charge in the past (having
not much to
 do with what it cost him to build the thing) and now his profit
is more in
 line or B) he can't and he will raise his prices, be less
competitive and
 probably lose a lot of his market share to the American built
cars (this is
 why the Fed is encouraging the dollar to drop against foreign
 currencies---to discourage foreign trade with the US (making
home built
 products more attractive to US purchasers) and to encourage US
exports
 (things are really cheap in the eyes of the person buying
things in Euros,
 etc.). )

 So I think this original post gets back to patriotism and those
bumper
 stickers that say Buy American and all which that implies.

 I'm an American, all things being equal I buy American, but the
question
 posted here is moot, because Capitalism works and we're darn
lucky to have
 it.

 Tom
 WB2QDG

 Note to Eric -- please pull this thread its *REALLY* OT.


 - Original Message -
 From: S Sacco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 8:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just Say No.


 If, for the sake of argument (and this IS just a what if
exercise,
 after all), they COULD make a K3 somewhere else at a lower
cost, and
 offered you a choice:

 1) U.S. made K3 with a collection of options that costs $2,500

 or

 2) Somewhere 

Re: [Elecraft] Just Say No.

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

-Original Message-
My $ are going to Elecraft -  a foreign company.

David
G3UNA 


And we really appreciate it!

Based on our daily shipments ( and incoming phone calls and emails) we are 
supporting a world wide international customer base as a signicant percentage 
of our business. K3s are now all over the world! 

To just name just a few from the last several weeks: All of Eu, Canada, 
Ukraine, Russia, Poland, JA, TI, South Africa, Thailand, VK, ZL, Hong Kong, 
Mexico and even uninhabited islands like VP6DX!)

To be successful in today's marketplace we -have- to continually think on a 
global basis. With the Internet communications channel, our direct customers 
are everywhere. - And they treat us like we are next door.  (Though some forget 
we have to sleep once and a while and live in a different time zone.. ;-) 

73,

Eric  WA6HHQ
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Re: [Elecraft] ICOM ProIII price reductions // The K3 Effect

[Bill NY9H]

ProIII's can now be had for as little as $2384.10. I guess we could 
call it The K3 Effect?  As always, it's interesting watching the 
market reactions to new gear.


I would think that the reduction of the P3 is rather traditional 
marketing. As a product ages...and/OR nears it's end of life, a 
manufacturer brings the product to a wider audience ... one that can 
spend less...first get the big spenders, then bring the price 
down to the masses .. it is a ton of radio for $2300.( enjoyed mine)


We did that with the TASCAM portastudio 20 years ago.
First you use some coupons, then just reduce the price...sell 
boxes ,sell sell


bill


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Re: [Elecraft] Help! K3 data exit?

[Don Wilhelm]

H,

Have you tapped the MODE button - it should switch between data, SSB, 
CW, and AM.
If you come up with the wrong sideband on a particular band, hole the 
ALT button to change sidebands.


The DATA mode setup buttons and menu entries switch between the various 
types of data mode (DATA A, DATA D. etc.)


73,
Don W3FPR

H. Cary III wrote:

I need reflector help!
I love my K3 but it seems to be smarter than I am.  Earlier this week I was 
working PSK-31 on 10 and 15 meters.  Now with the contest this weekend, I want 
to work USB on those bands but the K3 is in DATA Mode and I can't figure out 
how to exit and get USB back on 15 and 10 meters.  I've read the operating 
manual about primary controls on page 13 and about DATA Modes on page 31 but 
still find no reference to how to exit.
I figure it must be simple but it sure has me stumped.
Can anyone help? I'd sure appreciate it!
73,
H Cary, K4TM
K3-100 #178
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: [Elecraft] Just Say No. [END of Thread]

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Let's end this thread before it takes on a life of its own;-) 

Eric
_..._

-Original Message-
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Just Say No.

This is really off topic...but here goes.

First of all please don't try to question our patriotism, if you aren't then 
please accept my apology for that comment.


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Re: [Elecraft] Unsubscribing - I've finally had enough.

[Bill W4ZV]

Rick Hampton-2 wrote:
 
 
 The subject line probably says it all.  It has gotten to the point that 
 I can't hit the delete button fast enough, even when I don't read the 
 messages.  
 
 

Good grief.  For anyone who feels like Rick, here's a simple way to read
only Subjects that interest you, never receive a single email, and reply in
context to any that interest you:

1.  Subscribe to the list at
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now you've already done this step)
2.  After confirming your subscription, enter your address at the very
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next page so there's also a way to recall it if necessary.
3.  On the page that appears after step 2, scroll down to Mail Delivery
and check the Disabled box, scroll to the bottom and click Submit My
Changes.
4.  Now go to the Nabble-Elecraft list here and subscribe: 
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5.  Click on only the Subjects that interest you and click Reply if you want
to respond.  Your message will be in context with the message you are
responding to.

There is simply NO reason for anyone to be frustrated if they take 5 minutes
to do the above.  No emails, choose only Subjects you want to read and reply
in context.  What could be simpler?

73,  Bill  W4ZV



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 filter presets I/II: present and futurefunctionality

[Geoffrey Downs]

Les, WB6MND wrote:



I would like to be able to return to fixed settings that I program and are
stored.  That way I always have a familiar starting point that works best 
in

most situations, but that I can adjust further to customize for the
particular signal I'm listening to.

With the current setup, I feel I get lost and can't return to a familiar
place.


Me too. And thanks for asking, Wayne.

73 to all

Geoff
G3UCK 


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Re: [Elecraft] Ducie Island - ARRL News Letter Excerpt

[Bill NY9H]

They said The outstanding receiver and transmitter characteristics 
allowed us to run two positions simultaneously on any band -- even 
the very narrow 30 meter band -- with absolutely no interference. 
Good design makes the complex appear simple: the ins and outs of 
this sophisticated radio were quickly mastered by the operator team, 
none of whom had seen a K3 before the expedition.



I think an important item to remember from the Ducie site:

..7 stations on Ducie Island. Most (if not all) will have a KW amplifier.

Same bandrunning a KW !   that adds a bit of DBs to the island.

bill 


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[Elecraft] K3 VFO slave mode suggestion

[drewko1]

Sorry if I missed this in the K3 manual

I have sometimes thought it would be useful to slave the B VFO  to the
A VFO. For example, changing VFO A would also change B an equal
amount; but changing B would have no effect on A. 

I think it would be handy to operate split this way on the K3, with
its two VFO knobs, during contests and such. I guess that is what RIT
and XIT are for but they have always seemed a bit clumsy to me on the
K2 (don't have a K3 yet).

Anyhow, if this doesn't exist on the K3 I'd like to suggest it.

73,
Drew
AF2Z

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RE: [Elecraft] Help! K3 data exit?

[H. Cary III]

Don-
I knew it was simple but it eluded me.
Thanks, now in USB!
73,
H, K4TM

-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:35 AM
To: H. Cary III
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Help! K3 data exit?

H,

Have you tapped the MODE button - it should switch between data, SSB,
CW, and AM.
If you come up with the wrong sideband on a particular band, hole the
ALT button to change sidebands.

The DATA mode setup buttons and menu entries switch between the various
types of data mode (DATA A, DATA D. etc.)

73,
Don W3FPR

H. Cary III wrote:
 I need reflector help!
 I love my K3 but it seems to be smarter than I am.  Earlier this week I was 
 working PSK-31 on 10 and 15 meters.  Now with the contest this weekend, I 
 want to work USB on those bands but the K3 is in DATA Mode and I can't figure 
 out how to exit and get USB back on 15 and 10 meters.  I've read the 
 operating manual about primary controls on page 13 and about DATA Modes on 
 page 31 but still find no reference to how to exit.
 I figure it must be simple but it sure has me stumped.
 Can anyone help? I'd sure appreciate it!
 73,
 H Cary, K4TM
 K3-100 #178
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO slave mode suggestion

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ Elecraft]

This feature is in the next K3 firmware release which is in field test 
right now. (Though I think they are linked both ways.)


73, Eric  WA6HHQ


_..._

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have sometimes thought it would be useful to slave the B VFO  to the
A VFO. For example, changing VFO A would also change B an equal
amount; but changing B would have no effect on A. 


I think it would be handy to operate split this way on the K3, with
its two VFO knobs, during contests and such. I guess that is what RIT
and XIT are for but they have always seemed a bit clumsy to me on the
K2 (don't have a K3 yet).

Anyhow, if this doesn't exist on the K3 I'd like to suggest it.

73,
Drew
AF2Z
  

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Re: [Elecraft] Unsubscribing - I've finally had enough.

[Jim Cox]

Well said Rick, can the reflector please be a source of Elecraft info only? 
I too may have to unsubscribe if these ramblings continue.

Jim K4JAF


- Original Message - 
From: Rick Hampton [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:14 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Unsubscribing - I've finally had enough.



Hi, everyone.

The subject line probably says it all.  It has gotten to the point that I 
can't hit the delete button fast enough, even when I don't read the 
messages.  When I first got my KX1 several years ago, the reflector was 
still a resource for building kits and troubleshooting them.  Nowadays it 
seems to be nothing but a way to announce one's general discontent with 
everything from Elecraft's perceived problems (they aren't perfect, but if 
all my vendors at work were one tenth as good, I wouldn't have ANY 
problems), to dissertations on capitalism and isolationism vs. globalism.


I'm not sure where the ham radio content went, but since I can't seem to 
find much of it anymore, I'll wish everyone well and spend my time 
elsewhere.


See you on the air.

Rick, WD8KEL
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Re: [Elecraft] Ducie Island - ARRL News Letter Excerpt

[David Cutter]

Yes, but, the antennas were some distance apart and they had very good 
filters in their antennas.  Don't try this at home... unless you have a 
similar set up.


David
G3UNA




They said The outstanding receiver and transmitter characteristics 
allowed us to run two positions simultaneously on any band -- even the 
very narrow 30 meter band -- with absolutely no interference. Good design 
makes the complex appear simple: the ins and outs of this sophisticated 
radio were quickly mastered by the operator team, none of whom had seen a 
K3 before the expedition.



I think an important item to remember from the Ducie site:

..7 stations on Ducie Island. Most (if not all) will have a KW 
amplifier.


Same bandrunning a KW !   that adds a bit of DBs to the island.

bill 


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[Elecraft] Would This Power a K1 or KX1?

[N2EY]

In case anyone missed this on QRP-L:

http://www.thebackshed.com/Windmill/assemblyMini1.asp

73 de Jim, N2EY


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Re: [Elecraft] Unsubscribing - I've finally had enough.

[Thom LaCosta]

On Sat, 1 Mar 2008, Jim Cox wrote:

Well said Rick, can the reflector please be a source of Elecraft info only? I 
too may have to unsubscribe if these ramblings continue.

Jim K4JAF


One would think that since the mailing list is owned by Elecraft, they can 
police the listas we've seen several times when Eric has called for an end to a 
particular thread.


73 k3hrn
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Re: [Elecraft] Unsubscribing - I've finally had enough.

[Dave Martin]

On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Jim Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well said Rick, can the reflector please be a source of Elecraft info only?
  I too may have to unsubscribe if these ramblings continue.
  Jim K4JAF


Yep, it's way too much.   Fred has a nice general discussion forum on
QRZ.COM for those who care to transmit hogwash.  And any of us who
might enjoy reading such ramblings could simply go over there each
time after we check here for Elecraft traffic.  That would sure make
this place more professional looking.

Dave  W5DHM
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Re: [Elecraft] Unsubscribing - I've finally had enough. (END of THIS Thread.)

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ Elecraft]

Gentlemen,

Lets end THIS thread. Its generating more noise than necessary.

Also, I already ended the other thread in question this morning, shortly 
after it began.  It usually echoes for a couple of more postings before 
everyone reads my END message..


73, EricWA6HHQ
Elecraft List Moderator, playground monitor, arbitrator and company 
COO.  ;-)


_..._



Dave Martin wrote:

On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Jim Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Well said Rick, can the reflector please be a source of Elecraft info only?
 I too may have to unsubscribe if these ramblings continue.
 Jim K4JAF

Yep, it's way too much.  
  

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[Elecraft] Re: Portable Antennae

[Mike Morrow]

Ken wrote:

...I would like to construct a good portable antennae to use while camping

I have played around with multi-band HF antennas for camping and backpacking
for more than 30 years.  I've tried resonant dipoles with and without traps,
untuned dipoles fed with balanced line, simple and complex verticals, fed-fed
wires, etc.

I have never found anything that works as well as the least-expensive of the
above...the resonant dipole.  I have never found anything that works as poorly
as verticals.  Portable verticals, lacking a very good ground system, are very
poor in performance compared to a dipole, if a side-by-side comparison at the
same site and the same time is done.  Outrageously priced vertical dummy
loads, such as those produced under the Outbacker name (with that bogus
ground coupling base) are among the very worst.  Most (or all) commercial
vertical offerings allow the waste of hundreds of dollars to prove that contacts
can still be made using the poorest of antenna systems.

For the past 20 years I've used a dipole with appropriate insulators located
in each leg that can be jumpered to get a resonant dipole, without traps, on
any band between 40m and 10m.  I use PCV water tubing for the insulators, and
flex- or super-weave wire that has withstood many set-up/take-down cycles
without the first sign of wire fatique failure.  It takes less than a minute
to lower the antenna and alter the jumpers to change band.  I have worked more
than 40 countries from camp sites using this antenna less than 10 feet above 
ground.  I can send anyone interested a small .pdf file that describes all the
details and dimensions.  It's all quickly home-made at very low cost.

Mike / KK5F


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[Elecraft] [K3] SPEED/MIC and CMP/PWR Controls

[Geoffrey Downs]

When I tap one of the above, the VFO B display shows the relevant current 
setting but if I change it and then tap either control again, the display 
remains on whatever display is set up for VFO B by the DISP button. (i.e 
does not show the current setting for either parameter on either control). 
However if I wait for about 30 secs and tap either control again, the 
relevant current setting is shown again. This is not a problem but I'm 
wondering why.


73 to all

Geoff
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[Elecraft] Re: Portable Antennae

[Ken Kirkley]

Hey Mike:
I would love to get the PDF with the info. This sounds exactly like what 
I am looking for.


Thanks!
Ken/NO4D

Mike Morrow wrote:

Ken wrote:

  

...I would like to construct a good portable antennae to use while camping



I have played around with multi-band HF antennas for camping and backpacking
for more than 30 years.  I've tried resonant dipoles with and without traps,
untuned dipoles fed with balanced line, simple and complex verticals, fed-fed
wires, etc.

I have never found anything that works as well as the least-expensive of the
above...the resonant dipole.  I have never found anything that works as poorly
as verticals.  Portable verticals, lacking a very good ground system, are very
poor in performance compared to a dipole, if a side-by-side comparison at the
same site and the same time is done.  Outrageously priced vertical dummy
loads, such as those produced under the Outbacker name (with that bogus
ground coupling base) are among the very worst.  Most (or all) commercial
vertical offerings allow the waste of hundreds of dollars to prove that contacts
can still be made using the poorest of antenna systems.

For the past 20 years I've used a dipole with appropriate insulators located
in each leg that can be jumpered to get a resonant dipole, without traps, on
any band between 40m and 10m.  I use PCV water tubing for the insulators, and
flex- or super-weave wire that has withstood many set-up/take-down cycles
without the first sign of wire fatique failure.  It takes less than a minute
to lower the antenna and alter the jumpers to change band.  I have worked more
than 40 countries from camp sites using this antenna less than 10 feet above 
ground.  I can send anyone interested a small .pdf file that describes all the

details and dimensions.  It's all quickly home-made at very low cost.

Mike / KK5F


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[Elecraft] Portable Antenna - Thanks!

[Ken Kirkley]

Thanks to all who responded to my question about a portable antenna for 
use with camping. I received to many responses to reply to each one 
individually...but THANKS for a lot of great ideas. There are a couple 
that I will be mulling over.


73  God Bless!
Ken/NO4D
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Re: [Elecraft] Unsubscribing - I've finally had enough. (END of THIS Thread.)

[Stewart Baker]

Sorry, 'scuse my ignorance, but what's a company COO. ?

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 08:45:35 -0800, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ Elecraft
wrote:
 Gentlemen,

 Lets end THIS thread. Its generating more noise than necessary.

 Also, I already ended the other thread in question this morning,
shortly
 after it began.  It usually echoes for a couple of more postings
before
 everyone reads my END message..

 73, EricWA6HHQ
 Elecraft List Moderator, playground monitor, arbitrator and
company
 COO.  -)

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 Well said Rick, can the reflector please be a source of
Elecraft info only?
 I too may have to unsubscribe if these ramblings continue.
 Jim K4JAF

 Yep, it's way too much.

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Re: [Elecraft] Unsubscribing - I've finally had enough. (END of THIS Thread.)

[Tom Hammond]

[C]hief [O]perating [O]officer.

73,

Tom   N0SS

At 11:33 03/01/2008, Stewart Baker wrote:

Sorry, 'scuse my ignorance, but what's a company COO. ?

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 08:45:35 -0800, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ Elecraft
wrote:
 Gentlemen,

 Lets end THIS thread. Its generating more noise than necessary.

 Also, I already ended the other thread in question this morning,
shortly
 after it began.  It usually echoes for a couple of more postings
before
 everyone reads my END message..

 73, EricWA6HHQ
 Elecraft List Moderator, playground monitor, arbitrator and
company
 COO.  -)

 _..._


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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well said Rick, can the reflector please be a source of
Elecraft info only?
 I too may have to unsubscribe if these ramblings continue.
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 Yep, it's way too much.

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[Elecraft] k2 ordered today

[Chris]

ive been without a elecraft radio for to long so to day ive orderd a k2 with 
nb, ssb , 160m , kat2 atu
i would like a k3 i will have to save up for one no credit cards here only cash
thiis will be my forth k2 the best portable radio ive ever had keep up the
good work elecraft chris g0wfh :-)
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Fine/Coarse VFO settings

[Greg]

Thanks Jim!

This split issue has been listed and Wayne is working it.  It's not in the
release that is in testing now but should not be far behind.

You're right about the CAT commands.  The K3 needs to send a different mode
report for FSK and PSK direct modes other than data so that devices like the
MicroKeyers and Navigators as well as digital mode programs know the
difference.  You're dead on thoughafter the sub receiver is done.

73
Greg
AB7R


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James Denneny
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 6:02 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Fine/Coarse VFO settings


Eric / Wayne - This may be pilot error on my part as I have only had the
radio a few days but I noted a nuisance issue during the ARRL SSB DX
Contest.  I was operating split vfo on 40M.  Both VFO's were set to fine
tune.  I decided to switch vfo B to coarse so I could qsy rapidly to an
announced qrg frequency above 7125.  I discovered if I set vfo B to coarse
tune that vfo A also switches to coarse tune.



It would be slick if the firmware enabled independent switching of vfo A or
Vfo B to fine/coarse.  That would enable fine tuning for stations on vfo A
while coarse tuning vfo B in split operation.  I realize it is possible to
enter vfo B freq from keypad but that would be awkward and a hassle in an
ssb contest situation on 40M.



I also hope that as soon as the second receiver design issues settle that
Wayne will be able to produce the complete programmers reference manual.  My
Microham Microkeyer has the hiccups with the K3 in some modes.



Thanks for your consideration



73



Jim

K7EG



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[Elecraft] K3 vfo coarse/fine setting

[DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL]

Jim:

Yes, I discovered the exact same thing, even though this is clearly
spelled out in the manual.

My suggestion:

Rather than dialing in the split freq on 40m, do this:

Switch to VFO B (vfo A/B button) and then ENTER the discrete frequency
using the keypad.  I think you will find that for the majority of the
cases, this is simply WAY faster than dialing it in.

This is old news in terms of approach.  Way back when (20 years ago?)
when we were using TS940's at a multi-multi, we had two rigs per band.
 The guy next to me wanted to dial in the split qrg and complained
about.  I simply did the keypad thing...and I beat him there every
time...with room to spare.  It just just much, much faster than
dialing in, unless the new QRG you're going to is just a few kc away
from the last split QRG.

Yes, it is true that you stop hearing the DX while you do this, but
so what.  The important measurement is TOTAL TIME to be ready to call
him - and it really serves no purpose to continue to hear the other
guy if you can't call him any way (cuz ur not on his listening QRG
yet).

To be honest, during this weekend, I have been playing with the
coarse/non-coarse button and dialing in just to see how it plays
(I'm still learning the radio in terms of optimal efficiency for MY
style of operation...and I'm not afraid to try different things).
Actually, pushing the button to get to coarse, then dialing in, and
then hitting  the button again (to get back to non-coarse) doesn't
take that much time.  What DOES take time is then dialing in the last
couple kc when back on non-coarse.  Direct keypad entry is really the
only way to go for top efficiency.

And I am NOT calling the button coarse/fine because we sure do NOT
want to be in FINE MODE (1 HZ steps).  :-)

Give it a try!

de Doug KR2Q
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

Jerry, 

 Thanks, Bill When you get down to the component level 
 or even the board level I'm sure much has to sourced 
 offshore.

When you are talking about board level contract manufacturing, 
the costs for on shore vs. off shore are nearly identical. 
Since the equipment is the same regardless of location and 
automated manufacturing requires so little unskilled labor 
the only real cost advantage off shore is real estate lower 
environmental standards which are generally lost doe to the 
significantly higher transportation and logistics costs. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry 
 Keller (K3BZ)
 Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:31 AM
 To: Bill Tippett; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order
 
 
 Thanks, Bill When you get down to the component level 
 or even the 
 board level I'm sure much has to sourced offshore. Even 
 if we could 
 afford what Elecraft would have to pay for onshore labor 
 costs to build 
 those boards, I doubt that the skills are adequately 
 available here anymore. 
 So of course I meant the the final assembly of the factory 
 assembled K3 
 units. I'm glad to hear it's all done in California. (And as 
 kits, in home 
 workshops around the globe)
 I don't think it's a language barrier that keeps the Big 3 
 from taking an 
 accurate pulse of the amateur community... at least not in 
 this country. 
 Nowadays they each have plenty of English speakers in their 
 management. But 
 do they have real hams doing their design work? Do they have 
 real hams 
 getting real-time feedback from the users? Probably not so 
 much. As you 
 point out, that is what makes Elecraft really special we 
 knows 'em, and 
 they is us.
 73, Jerry K3BZ
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Bill Tippett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Jerry Keller (K3BZ) [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 9:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order
 
 
  Hi Jerry,
 
  On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Jerry Keller (K3BZ) 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Bill... not that it makes any real difference to the point you were
   making but it's David and Goliath.
 
  Yes, too early and I corrected that...was thinking of David KY1V.
 
  Anyway, I have a K3 on order for all
   the reasons you gave and at least one more I've been under the
   impression that Elecraft's products are made in the 
 USA.  But some
   comments here on the reflector have made me wonder how 
 true that is... 
  do
   you happen to know?
 
  Since most Elecraft products are kits, they are actually made
  everywhere (by the kit builder).  If you mean the components inside
  them, I'm sure they're sourced from many places.  It would be very
  difficult to find parts if you stipulated that all must 
 come from the
  USA.  I've been on the list since I built a K2 about 4 years ago but
  haven't noticed many comments about this...maybe I just 
 wasn't paying
  attention.  I'm fairly sure Elecraft does all final test 
 and assembly
  of the K3 in Aptos, outsources SMD board-stuffing (not sure to whom)
  and the components come from everywhere.  What matters most to me is
  where the products are designed (i.e. the real value-added 
 in today's
  world).
 
  I believe the 3 American companies (Elecraft, Flex and Ten-Tec) have
  the business model of the future (which may apply to many 
 other areas
  besides ham radio):
 
  1.  Distribute directly instead of via distributors...thereby saving
  significant costs (somewhat like Dell did with PCs).
 
  2.  Make heavy use of the Internet as a tool for customer feedback,
  firmware updates, building customer loyalty, etc.
 
  3.  Listen to customers intently and respond promptly (this is the
  real key to success IMHO).
 
  4.  Enable other companies to facilitate your own success.  N8LP's
  LP-PAN and VE3NEA's CW Skimmer are going to have a **huge** 
 impact on
  the success of the K3.  I truly doubt that the Big-3 have the
  slightest comprehension of the impact this may have in strengthening
  the K3's success in the marketplace.
 
  It's a very simple but powerful model that the Big-3 have yet to
  figure out...probably influenced by their language barrier.  By the
  time they figure it out, the world may have vastly changed on them.
 
  73,  Bill  W4ZV
 
  P.S.  Copying to the list since others might have comments. 
 
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[Elecraft] FS: KBT-2 internal battery for K2

[N1IX]

I am no longer in need of my assembled KBT-2 battery kit for the K2. 
I will ship it for $40

Dave N1IX

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[Elecraft] K3: coarse/fine for RIT

[DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL]

I tell you what drives me nuts is the speed (or lack of) for the
RIT/XIT.  While this is not linked to the coarse/fine button, it is
linked to the VFO speed steps.  Gosh...I want the VFO speed the way I
have it set, but I want the RIT speed set much faster.  If the guy
says UP 1, it takes me over 2 fulls turns of the XIT knob to get there
- yuck!   And if he say up 2...oh my - 5 turns.  :-(

On the plus side, I understand that the fix for this is also in the
works (at least I hope so).

:-)

de Doug KR2Q

K3:  A great radio and only getting better.
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[Elecraft] Eric -- Another life...

[Dave G.]

Eric,

Quote: another life.. !!
Where do you get the time? 8^)

--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA
Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity.
But I'm not so sure about the universe.  ... Albert Einstein.

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[Elecraft] Is this comment necessary?

[Rick Shindley]

One would think that since the mailing list is owned by Elecraft, they can 

police the listas we've seen several times when Eric has called for an
end to a 

particular thread.

 

Kind people,

 

What technical, ham radio-related or Elecraft-germane intelligence is
conveyed above? It seems only an indictment of Elecraft for not policing its
list better.  Perhaps if Elecraft would police its list more then THAT
cynical post would have been culled? And this one, too, one would think.

 

Rick

KC0OV

 

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[Elecraft] Data Mode CAT Reports (was: K3 Fine/Coarse VFO settings)

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

 You're right about the CAT commands.  The K3 needs to send a 
 different mode report for FSK and PSK direct modes other than 
 data so that devices like the MicroKeyers and Navigators as 
 well as digital mode programs know the difference.  You're dead 
 on thoughafter the sub receiver is done.

For the record there are really two issues - 

First, the user software needs to distinguish between FSK and 
AFSK/FSK modes and be able to tell the sense or sideband.  This 
is most easily accomplished by using the existing Kenwood FSK 
and FSK-R command response (MD and IF commands) for FSK-D 
(it appears that FSK-R is not available in the K3) and using 
the Yaesu FT-9000/FT-2000 extensions to the Kenwood command 
set for AFSK_A (8h = PKT_L [Norm], Ch = PKT_U [Rev]).  This 
leaves Dh and Eh for DATA_A (Norm/DATA_U = Dh and Rev/Data_L 
= Eh) and Fh for PSK_D.  It would also be helpful if the DATA_A 
display offset were made user configurable to allow choice of 
suppressed carrier, MARK or center of modulation based on 
convention for the most commonly used mode. 

The second concern is the input selection for FSK_D and PSK_D. 
Most software and some hardware (microHAM MK2R/MK2R+ and 
microKEYER II) suppress CW output when the radio is not in 
CW mode to prevent inadvertent keying if the paddles are 
bumped.  It will be difficult for use straight key or KY 
command inputs with those configurations. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 











 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg
 Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 1:10 PM
 To: James Denneny; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Fine/Coarse VFO settings
 
 
 Thanks Jim!
 
 This split issue has been listed and Wayne is working it.  
 It's not in the
 release that is in testing now but should not be far behind.
 
 You're right about the CAT commands.  The K3 needs to send a 
 different mode
 report for FSK and PSK direct modes other than data so that 
 devices like the
 MicroKeyers and Navigators as well as digital mode programs know the
 difference.  You're dead on thoughafter the sub receiver is done.
 
 73
 Greg
 AB7R
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of James Denneny
 Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 6:02 AM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Fine/Coarse VFO settings
 
 
 Eric / Wayne - This may be pilot error on my part as I have 
 only had the
 radio a few days but I noted a nuisance issue during the ARRL SSB DX
 Contest.  I was operating split vfo on 40M.  Both VFO's were 
 set to fine
 tune.  I decided to switch vfo B to coarse so I could qsy 
 rapidly to an
 announced qrg frequency above 7125.  I discovered if I set 
 vfo B to coarse
 tune that vfo A also switches to coarse tune.
 
 
 
 It would be slick if the firmware enabled independent 
 switching of vfo A or
 Vfo B to fine/coarse.  That would enable fine tuning for 
 stations on vfo A
 while coarse tuning vfo B in split operation.  I realize it 
 is possible to
 enter vfo B freq from keypad but that would be awkward and a 
 hassle in an
 ssb contest situation on 40M.
 
 
 
 I also hope that as soon as the second receiver design issues 
 settle that
 Wayne will be able to produce the complete programmers 
 reference manual.  My
 Microham Microkeyer has the hiccups with the K3 in some modes.
 
 
 
 Thanks for your consideration
 
 
 
 73
 
 
 
 Jim
 
 K7EG
 
 
 
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[Elecraft] Filter Presets I/II response

[Neal Enault]

In response to Wayne's poll:
   
  Yes, I definitely use them.
   
  I would prefer to have them 'fixed (programmable) and independent for each 
mode.
   
  It would be nice to have settings I can go back to after diddling with 
shift/width or hi/lo cut.
   
  Oh, and by the way Wayne, while you're at it, can I please have RX EQ's per 
mode?
   
  Tnx es 72, Neal WA6OCP
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[Elecraft] K2 solenoidal chokes

[wsm]

Hi
I'm building my second K2 and have a question that I hope someone
can help me with.
I was missing some parts and ask the parts dept. to send them to
me. Four of them were RFC-4, RFC-5, RFC-8, and RFC-9, all 
solelnoidal chokes on the RF board. The manual calls for them
to have green bodies. The ones the parts dept. sent me have tan
bodies, so I suspect they are not solenoidal chokes. They are
of the correct value.
My question is should I use the ones with tan bodies are have
the Elecraft parts dept. try again? 
Thanks
Scott N5SM

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 solenoidal chokes

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ Elecraft]

The color can be tan or green. Just make sure the color bands are correct.
73, EricWA6HHQ
---

_..._



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi
I'm building my second K2 and have a question that I hope someone
can help me with.
I was missing some parts and ask the parts dept. to send them to
me. Four of them were RFC-4, RFC-5, RFC-8, and RFC-9, all 
solelnoidal chokes on the RF board. The manual calls for them

to have green bodies. The ones the parts dept. sent me have tan
bodies, so I suspect they are not solenoidal chokes. They are
of the correct value.
My question is should I use the ones with tan bodies are have
the Elecraft parts dept. try again? 
Thanks

Scott N5SM

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 solenoidal chokes

[Don Wilhelm]

Scott,

Use what was sent.  The body color is a poor method of identifying 
components because the manufacturer of the component can change the body 
color at the drop of a hat.


The references to component body color is slowly being purged from the 
manuals, but that takes time.  Be certain to read the errata sheet, 
sometimes information like that is covered in the errata.


73,
Don W3FPR

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi
I'm building my second K2 and have a question that I hope someone
can help me with.
I was missing some parts and ask the parts dept. to send them to
me. Four of them were RFC-4, RFC-5, RFC-8, and RFC-9, all 
solelnoidal chokes on the RF board. The manual calls for them

to have green bodies. The ones the parts dept. sent me have tan
bodies, so I suspect they are not solenoidal chokes. They are
of the correct value.
My question is should I use the ones with tan bodies are have
the Elecraft parts dept. try again? 
Thanks

Scott N5SM

  

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[Elecraft] FS: KX1

[William Shappley]

Well, it breaks my heart, but I've got my K3, and I've now Pelican- 
cased my K2 to be my new portable rig, so it is time to sell the KX1.


The details:

KX1 4-band (80, 40, 30, 20)
Serial #702
Built by an Electrical Engineer with extensive building experience  
and the proper tools - me :)

Includes KXPD1 and the built-in autotuner
At least 3W out on all bands with 13.8 VDC in
S7 to S9 all bands with 50 microvolts in
Built-in and working N0SS / K6XX CW spotter tied to the logbook LED  
(you can still turn it on as a logbook light if you need to :)
Includes a fitted foam lined case (formerly a Preparation H box - not  
Pelican, but it works) and the Nifty! quick reference laminated guide


Pics are available if desired.

Price is $495 shipped anywhere in the USA (If I added right, just  
buying the kit parts would be $522 unassembled, not counting the CW  
spotter)


Please contact me off list if interested.

Thanks!

- Bill
K4DXU

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 filter presets I/II: present and future functionality

[Tony Fegan VE3QF]

Wayne,

 I am mainly a sideband operator. I like and use the presets. I have 
preset 1 set for narrow filter and shifted for best audio. Preset 2 
is set for a wider filter for rag chewing. I agree with the points made 
by WB6MND and so would also prefer fixed presets. When the QRM starts, 
you can quickly change to preset 1. It saves a bit of fiddling with 
the width and shift controls.
   I am eagerly awaiting the firmware change that will shift the filter 
centre (on SSB) as it is narrowed. This will make the filter adjustment 
on SSB way more convenient.
   The large change in audio level when switching the Noise reduction 
off (SSB mode) is sometimes deafening. I believe this is under review.


73
   Tony Fegan VE3QF

K3 #137
K2 #490 (sold to a good friend today. It will be missed)


WB6MND wrote:

Yes, I use the presets, and I agree with the field testers as to the change.

I would like to be able to return to fixed settings that I program and are
stored.  That way I always have a familiar starting point that works best in
most situations, but that I can adjust further to customize for the
particular signal I'm listening to.

With the current setup, I feel I get lost and can't return to a familiar
place.

Les
WB6MND



wayne burdick wrote:
 

Do you find the DSP/XFIL filter presets, I/II, useful? If you haven't 
tried them yet, please do. Here's the short 


73,
Wayne
N6KR


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[Elecraft] K3: split freq: time study

[DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL]

Here is what I just timed (10 measures each category)

Using the Keypad entry method previously described (VFO A/B - touch
the ENTER FREQ button, touch the keys for the discrete QRG - touch the
enter button - and touch VFO A/B button again to get back on the
right RX frequency).  Any amount of frequency excursion (1 kc or
200kc) took me, on average 4.9 seconds.

Using the Coarse/Fine button and dialing in using VFO B knob - for
frequency excursions greater than 25kc, on average = 10.9 seconds.
Methodology: Hit the coarse/fine button, use VFO B dial to dial in
close to the QRG, hit the coarse/fine fine button and finish tuning
in to the exact QRG.

Just using VFO B for frequency excursions less than 10kc...and dialing
in to the exactly QRG (obviously somewhat proportional to the total
amount of excursion), on average = 6.3 seconds.  [no use of
coarse/fine button]

So for maximum speed, use the keypad method.

de Doug KR2Q
PS...with appreciation to my younger daughter (12th grade) who was
kind enough to use her stopwatch to time me and call out frequencies
to go to.
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[Elecraft] Appalachian Trail on Sunday

[Ron Polityka]

Hello,

I am going out on a hike with my brother on the Appalachian Trail on 2 
March 2008 at 16:00 UTC.


I should be on the air around 17:00 and 17:30 UTC. Not sure what band I will 
start out on but you can look for me around 7.035, 10.106 or 14.060 + / - 
due to QRM. I will be working towards my 1,000 QSO from the AT. Still 
looking for HI, MT and SD from the AT for a WAS.


If anyone would like to make a schedule on a specific band, I will be 
checking my e-mails later today and tomorrow before I leave.


I will be using my K1 and the BWV (Black Widow Vertical).

72 and Thanks,
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL
www.wb3aal.com
www.n3epa.org/

K1 - SN 01011
K2 - SN 01392

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[Elecraft] Slow CW (WAS: VP6DX scraping the bottom)

[jjbbl2]

Hi Keith, KB3ILS and All,

Keith posted a few days ago

...The reason I am asking is I have a Navy Flameproof key here
that I want to learn to use.  Is slow QSO's the best way to do that? Maybe I
can learn to use the straight key and help others at the same time...

Ron, AC7AC responded...

...
I find it easiest to run slow on a good ol' straight key, but then I learned
on a straight key and used one for  a year after getting on the air (before
starting to learn a state-of-the-art Bug)). 
...

  I too learned to send cw with a straight key in 1958 (age 8).  I still use a 
straight key. I used a straight key in the Navy in later years, both in RMA A 
school and 2304 High Speed school. CW wasn't used aboard my ship, because of 
the inception of  high tech computers and the good ol' RTTY. 
  I have and occasionally do use paddles and keyers, but my satisfaction comes 
from the J-38, or Flameproof, or one of the other straight keys that I have 
accumulated through the years. I'm not necessarily behind the times, but using 
these artifacts makes me want to get on the air and pound some brass more 
often! I enjoy a slow ragchew using the Elecraft rigs (no K3-mainly cause I 
haven't ordered one YET). 
  I really like your attitude Keith. Anytime you want to try to hook up using 
the Flameproof and a K-rig, let me know. I can and will send at whatever rate 
you feel comfortable with. 
  As for me quoting Ron, he helped me a few years ago getting my old Vibroplex 
bug adjusted. He's a bug kind of guy from what I have gathered over the years 
of reading the reflector. He's also a closet glowbug I believe.  ;)  So am 
I, butGotta love these Elecrafts . I admire anyone that use one of those 
proficentally. I still practice with the bug, but it's in the rhythm.
  Rhythm is a big, big factor with any key. Practice, practice and more 
practice and you can send a legible message, even if you intermittenlty short 
two wires or two automobiles together.well, they have to be connected to 
your Elecraft of course!

John, KD5EJA
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[Elecraft] FS - KSB2 SSB Adapter KIO2 I/O Module - One more chance

[Rich (KE0X)]

No longer need the KSB2 SSB Adapter (with 2.6 B/W mod) or the KIO2 (with
cable) for the K2.  Will sell separately or together.  I need ay least $50
for the KSB2  $50 for the KIO2 ($100 for both), price does not include
shipping.  If not sold here in one week goes on eBay. Both items include
manuals.

I am a retired US NAVY Electronics Technician (Spent 4 years as an
instructor.) and these are quality built components!  Were working prior to
removal and were placed, immediately, into ESD bags.

Please note I did not remove the parts installed in the K2 for the KSB2
other than the standoff, if you have not previously installed a KSB2 SSB
module then installing the KSB2 also requires the installation of several
parts on the Front Panel board  ...

o   Resistor, 68.1 k, 1%, 1/4 W 
o   (5) Capacitors, .01 uF, 0.2 (5 mm) 
o   Connector, 2 x 8 pin male, .100 
o   Resistor network, 10 k, 4 R, 8 pins 
o   Transistor, PNP, 2N3906  AND 

The main RF board will also require two three pin sockets and one 12 pin
socket. 
o   Samtec SSW-112-01-G-S 
o   Samtec SSW-103-01-G-S (two needed)
o   standoff and miscellaneous mounting hardware 

All of these parts are available in kit form from http://www.unpcbs.com/ as
the KSB2 Parts kit ($6.25 + $5.50 shipping  handling).  This kit also
includes the three RF board connectors, plus the standoff and miscellaneous
mounting hardware.  You can also order each of these parts from Elecraft -
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Refer to the instruction manual for specifics. 

These would be installed as described starting on page 13 of the KSB2
Manual.

If you already have the “No-rework” kits installed then you are a step ahead

Installation of the KIO2 may also require some modifications of your rig as
described in the instruction manual - depending upon your version of the K2
Main RF board. 

Please read the instruction manuals in the section regarding installation in
the K2. These are available on the Elecraft webpage.

Will accept PayPal.

Rich,
KE0X

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 filter presets I/II: present and future functionality

[Don Wilhelm]

Tony,

To reduce the width on SSB, try just using Hi Cut instead of the width 
and shift controls.  Normally when reducing the SSB filter width, the 
low end should be near 300 Hz (the K3 uses 250 by default). Keeping the 
low frequency corner of the SSB filter fixed at 350 to 300 Hz preserves 
intelligibility as the highs are reduced with the Hi Cut control - try 
it, you might like it better than fussing with the Width and Shift 
controls - I do it that way all the time, no need to adjust the low end 
unless the filter is VERY narrow (less than 1400 Hz = Hi Cut at 1650 Hz)


73,
Don W3FPR

Tony Fegan VE3QF wrote:
   I am eagerly awaiting the firmware change that will shift the 
filter centre (on SSB) as it is narrowed. This will make the filter 
adjustment on SSB way more convenient.



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Re: [Elecraft] Just Say No.

[K8TB]

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:

K3s are now all over the world!
.and even uninhabited islands like VP6DX!)

   Eric, I'm one of the biggest putz low band operators there are, and 
on cw it's even worse. But I had fun working VP6DX 5 times (3 cw, 
2-ssb), using my K3 barefoot into a dipole. What made it even cooler was 
that the contacts where K3 to K3. The ops at Ducie were very nice to 
struggling ops. Thank you so much to them.


   But to say it simply, thanks to Elecraft for putting some fun back 
into ham radio.


   tom k8tb



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[Elecraft] k3 KXV3 Board Missing Pin

[Terry Schieler]

I was in the process of installing the KXV3 board in my K3.  When 
plugging the 16 Pin connector on the KXV3 board into J66 on the K3, I 
noticed that the third pin from the right on the KXV3 connector was 
missing.  The photo appears to clearly show all 16 pins there.


Houston, do I have a problem here?


Thanks,

Terry, WØFM

(Please reply direct to MY CALL at arrl.net)

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[Elecraft] This mail is for Eric and Don. K2 Power mod.

[Tom Arntzen]

Hi Eric and Don.
I decided to do the k2 power mod involving r98 rf board.
The first thing I did since 10m is the key here was to do a full alignment 
of 160-10m tx adjust per manual.

When aligning 10m the manual states 28200.
I would sugest that the manual states highest frequency that would give 10 
watts out on 28000khz

For me that was 28550 which also gave 9,5 watts on 29000.
The max for 29550 was 12 watts.
After adjustments I set PO28 to 10 watts.
So a question for Eric and Don.
I used a 2k pot for the mod and the point where the rf dropped a little was 
at 1,9Kohms.

I inserted a 1,8Kohms.
The rig is a lot more stable now on all bands.
If you see any concernes here please let me know.
BTW...This buity worked VP6DX 3 times on 20,17,15m cw from a lattitude of 
66,2 north.

A little help from THP 1.2KFX I must admit.
And Eric...If I order a K3 now , when would my mothers creditcard be 
charged? :-)

What would I need in a K3 to do a SO2R with my K2?
K2/100 3829

Tom Arntzen LA1PHA
Mo , NORWAY

( if everyone is against you , change your mind!)
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Re: [Elecraft] This mail is for Eric and Don. K2 Power mod.

[Don Wilhelm]

Tom,

The best R98 value varies a lot from one K2 to another.  If the amount 
of 10 meter gain reduction is acceptable to you, then you have achieved 
success.  Since you ended up with 1.8k, that would indicate that your K2 
has greater than average gain.  On 10 meters the K2 has the least gain, 
so that is why 10 meter power reduction is the indicator for the largest 
value R98 that is feasible.


I find that aligning the 10 meter bandpass at 28.4 MHz will allow better 
coverage of the 10 meter band.  Take your pick here - if 10 meter CW is 
your major operation, I would suggest that 28.200 is the proper 
alignment point, but if you want to operate over the greatest section of 
10 meters, use a frequency higher in the band.  Don't forget to re-align 
the 12 meter bandpass after aligning 10 meters.


73,
Don W3FPR

Tom Arntzen wrote:

Hi Eric and Don.
I decided to do the k2 power mod involving r98 rf board.
The first thing I did since 10m is the key here was to do a full 
alignment of 160-10m tx adjust per manual.

When aligning 10m the manual states 28200.
I would sugest that the manual states highest frequency that would 
give 10 watts out on 28000khz

For me that was 28550 which also gave 9,5 watts on 29000.
The max for 29550 was 12 watts.
After adjustments I set PO28 to 10 watts.
So a question for Eric and Don.
I used a 2k pot for the mod and the point where the rf dropped a 
little was at 1,9Kohms.

I inserted a 1,8Kohms.
The rig is a lot more stable now on all bands.
If you see any concernes here please let me know.
BTW...This buity worked VP6DX 3 times on 20,17,15m cw from a lattitude 
of 66,2 north.

A little help from THP 1.2KFX I must admit.
And Eric...If I order a K3 now , when would my mothers creditcard be 
charged? :-)

What would I need in a K3 to do a SO2R with my K2?
K2/100 3829

Tom Arntzen LA1PHA
Mo , NORWAY


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Re: [Elecraft] Is this comment necessary?

[Larry Putman]

Consider the Source Thom the TROLL

 
Larry Putman WB3ANQ



- Original Message 
From: Rick Shindley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2008 2:09:46 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Is this comment necessary?

One would think that since the mailing list is owned by Elecraft, they can 

police the listas we've seen several times when Eric has called for an
end to a 

particular thread.

 

Kind people,

 

What technical, ham radio-related or Elecraft-germane intelligence is
conveyed above? It seems only an indictment of Elecraft for not policing its
list better.  Perhaps if Elecraft would police its list more then THAT
cynical post would have been culled? And this one, too, one would think.

 

Rick

KC0OV

 

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[Elecraft] K2 High Current Message

[Ken Kirkley/NO4D]

When keying up my K2 in SSB at 10 watts I get a momentary flash of high
current. Is this a sign of a problem? Seems like there is a setting in the
menu in regards to this, but want to be sure before I do anything. The
transmit is fine, just the momentary flash of high current.

 

Thanks!
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[Elecraft] K2 SSB Low Power on some bands

[n0jrn]

Well, this is a strange deal and I'm not seeing anything in the archives 
relative to this particular situation.


Just installed the KSB2  in K2 #  6272...

Finished the alignment and filter settings

Figured I would play with it for awhile and see how it does.  WRONG 
:-)


Low power on all bands except 40 mtrs.  ( on SSB )  No / or very weak ALC / 
RF  response  regardless ofSSBA   and   SSBC  settings.


It's fine on 40 mtrs with good drive and output.

This is still a QRP   K2  with KAT2,  KNB2 and now KSB2 installed.

All tests and alignments were spot on and the rig works like a dream on CW 
on all bands.All functions are working as they should etc.


I switch mic's and no change.   ( before I realized it was fine on 40 ) 
I have an external watt meter in line with the antenna and it shows  40 
meters around 10 watts while all other bands are down around 1 or 2 watts

( including 80 )
Rig shows good ALC and RF on the bar graff on 40 but very weak on all other 
bands.


I wondered if the tuner was giving some problems so changed modes to CW and 
it has lots of power on all bands.( check each band comparing CW to SSB 
and no power on SSB while CW if fine )


I'm guessing it's something I overlooked but it's been a long day. I'll dig 
into this tomorrow. Any ideas of what I missed would certainly be 
appreciated.


Thanks and 72: Jerry N0JRN 


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 High Current Message

[Don Wilhelm]

Ken,

That may or may not be an indication of a problem.  Check the CAL CUR 
setting first - with the QRP K2 it should be set to 2.50 or higher - if 
you have the KPA100 it must be set to 3.50 or higher.


Due to the way the K2 power is controlled, a low power source voltage 
will cause a Hi Cur warning.  The K2 will try to produce the requested 
power output, and if the supply voltage is low, more current must be 
drawn to produce the requested power output.  You may want to check your 
power supply and its connections under the load presented during transmit.


If you have a combination of Hi Cur messages in combination with low 
power output, look for a problem in the Low Pass Filters or T4 of the 
base K2.


I believe the original intent of the Hi Cur message was to alert those 
who are operating on battery power that the battery current is being 
taxed and battery life may not be as long as expected.


Bottom line - it may or may not be an indicator of a problem - it all 
depends on your power source.


73,
Don W3FPR


Ken Kirkley/NO4D wrote:

When keying up my K2 in SSB at 10 watts I get a momentary flash of high
current. Is this a sign of a problem? Seems like there is a setting in the
menu in regards to this, but want to be sure before I do anything. The
transmit is fine, just the momentary flash of high current.

 


Thanks!
Ken/NO4D


  

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Re: [Elecraft] FS - KSB2 SSB Adapter KIO2 I/O Module - SOLD

[Rich (KE0X)]

Both the KSB2 and KIO2 are spoken for.

Rich



Rich (KE0X) wrote:
 
 No longer need the KSB2 SSB Adapter (with 2.6 B/W mod) or the KIO2 (with
 cable) for the K2.  Will sell separately or together.  I need ay least $50
 for the KSB2  $50 for the KIO2 ($100 for both), price does not include
 shipping.  If not sold here in one week goes on eBay. Both items include
 manuals.
 
 I am a retired US NAVY Electronics Technician (Spent 4 years as an
 instructor.) and these are quality built components!  Were working prior
 to removal and were placed, immediately, into ESD bags.
 
 Please note I did not remove the parts installed in the K2 for the KSB2
 other than the standoff, if you have not previously installed a KSB2 SSB
 module then installing the KSB2 also requires the installation of several
 parts on the Front Panel board  ...
 
 o   Resistor, 68.1 k, 1%, 1/4 W 
 o   (5) Capacitors, .01 uF, 0.2 (5 mm) 
 o   Connector, 2 x 8 pin male, .100 
 o   Resistor network, 10 k, 4 R, 8 pins 
 o   Transistor, PNP, 2N3906  AND 
 
 The main RF board will also require two three pin sockets and one 12 pin
 socket. 
 o   Samtec SSW-112-01-G-S 
 o   Samtec SSW-103-01-G-S (two needed)
 o   standoff and miscellaneous mounting hardware 
 
 All of these parts are available in kit form from http://www.unpcbs.com/
 as the KSB2 Parts kit ($6.25 + $5.50 shipping  handling).  This kit also
 includes the three RF board connectors, plus the standoff and
 miscellaneous mounting hardware.  You can also order each of these parts
 from Elecraft - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Refer to the instruction manual for
 specifics. 
 
 These would be installed as described starting on page 13 of the KSB2
 Manual.
 
 If you already have the “No-rework” kits installed then you are a step
 ahead
 
 Installation of the KIO2 may also require some modifications of your rig
 as described in the instruction manual - depending upon your version of
 the K2 Main RF board. 
 
 Please read the instruction manuals in the section regarding installation
 in the K2. These are available on the Elecraft webpage.
 
 Will accept PayPal.
 
 Rich,
 KE0X
 
 

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Re: [Elecraft] k3 KXV3 Board Missing Pin

[John Glascock]

Not at all.  I had the same question last month.  The staff says its suppose
to be like that.   They are in the process of updating the documentation.

John



Terry Schieler wrote:
 
 I was in the process of installing the KXV3 board in my K3.  When 
 plugging the 16 Pin connector on the KXV3 board into J66 on the K3, I 
 noticed that the third pin from the right on the KXV3 connector was 
 missing.  The photo appears to clearly show all 16 pins there.
 
 Houston, do I have a problem here?
  
 
 Thanks,
 
 Terry, WØFM
 
 (Please reply direct to MY CALL at arrl.net)
 
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RE: [Elecraft] k3 KXV3 Board Missing Pin

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Yes, that pin was intentionally removed on the later KXV3 modules. 

Ron AC7AC

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I was in the process of installing the KXV3 board in my K3.  When 
plugging the 16 Pin connector on the KXV3 board into J66 on the K3, I 
noticed that the third pin from the right on the KXV3 connector was 
missing.  The photo appears to clearly show all 16 pins there.

Houston, do I have a problem here?
 

Thanks,

Terry, WØFM

(Please reply direct to MY CALL at arrl.net)

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Another one on order

[Brett Howard]

Where a product is made makes a big difference too.  When you send
things overseas you'll find things like the first 100 coming off the
line perfect.  Then they'll start to slack off on quality control until
you notice.  Then things will start to pick back up a bit and they'll
start to slack off again.  You have to stay on top of it or the quality
will start to diminish.  Quality doesn't happen by accident.  You have
to have people who take pride in their product to make it well.  

One of the only ways that we can ensure that our products are always up
to par with our standards we actually have a department that makes test
equipment specifically for testing our products.  These machines
thoroughly test the product and have very tight standards which things
must stand up to before we'll accept them.  Once these systems are
completed they are shipped overseas and all product must pass these
tests before it is shipped to us.  Depending on how much money and time
you want to throw at making sure that the job is done right sometimes
its just easier to keep your finger in the pie and do it locally.
Granted you still have to do quality checks but they are much easier to
do when you can actually physically see and touch the thing before it's
shipped.


On Sat, 2008-03-01 at 09:05 -0500, Bill Tippett wrote:

 What matters most to me is
 where the products are designed (i.e. the real value-added in today's
 world).
 
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY and K3

[Rajiv Dewan, N2RD]

Hi Lee,
 Here is my set up for RTTY with just the sound card and vox.
1.  Connect speaker out from sound card to line in on the rear panel of K3.
2. Connect line in on sound card to line out on the rear panel of K3.
3.  Go to main menu, use vfo b to select mic select and vfo a to select 
Line In

4.   Turn on Vox by holding the Vox button.
5. Go to Main menu, select Vox using VFOB and pick a value for Vox gain. 
I have it set at 15 or so.

6. Use Mic to set line gain appropriately.  Mine is at 15 or so.
7. With mode Data, press DATA MD and select AFSK A
And you are all set.

To turn on text decode, press TEXT DEC and turn it on using vfo A.

Easy as pie.

Raj, N2RD


Lee Buller wrote:

I am reading the book here and trying to understand how to set up RTTY or PSK 
with the K3.  What gets in my way is the RTTY reading and generation algorithm. 
 I am not all that excited about that right now, but I am just trying to get my 
sound card hooked up to the Input and Output with PTT as well.  Three simple 
cables and I am sure where all that goes.

What is confusing is how to set up the radio.  AFSK-A is selected by the B Vfo 
when you use Data MD.  So supposedly, the line out audio which goes in the 
sound card will work, but more importantly, the line in of the K3 will accept 
the audio generated by the soundcard.  I don't have to turn on the TEXT DEC 
unless I want to see the RTTY message on the K3's screen.  Once I get FSK set 
up and I would them change VFO B to FSK D.

I think that is right...or have I taken a wrong turn...

Lee



In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply.  If you don't 
have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it.  If you can't find 
any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense.  Is 
Common Sense divine?
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[Elecraft] K3: split freq: time study. CORRECTION

[DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL]

Tonight, I tried to put into practice what I had written
earlier...only to discover that it doesn't work as outlined.
Apparently, when you do a direct keypad entry, it ERASES the SPLIT
function.  So when you're done, you have hit the SPLIT button again.
Oh well.

de Doug KR2Q
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[Elecraft] WTB

[jpgabbard]

Hi I need the following parts,
  1. (1ea.2sc1971
   2.(2) ea. 2sc3133
 I have tried ebay and always seem to get outbid!
Any leads will be appreciated thanks, John  KF7OM
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: split freq: time study. CORRECTION

[Brett Howard]

Thats no good...  I was just playing with doing a lot of split stuff for
the first time on my Kenwood and it would have been really annoying to
have that going on.  Especially once the sub RX is done.  I'd think it
to be kinda nice to be able to do entry into either RX with out the
split ever going away... 

Maybe someday... :)


On Sat, 2008-03-01 at 21:13 -0500, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:

 en you do a direct keypad entry, it ERASES the SPLIT
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[Elecraft] K2 relays

[Earl]

I have rec'd the KPA100 and am into testing on page 48 where it states that I 
should here the bypass relays clicking as I scoll thru the power levels, at 11 
watts
I hear nothing but the rest of the tests in that section appear normal. 
   
Then in the Ext Amp keying test the resistance doesn't change and therefore  
the K2 would not turn on an amplifier (which I dont intend to use, but) it 
doesnt work.  Anybody have any ideas ??
Earl
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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

[Kevin Rock]

Good Evening,
   I am very glad the telephone is working again.  I lost service early 
yesterday morning and only got it back an hour ago.  I did not know whether I 
would be able to send this announcement out tonight.  There are a few amateurs 
in the area who are subscribed to the Reflector but they are not easy to reach 
without a telephone!
   Weather has turned back to winter again.  Today, as I was getting ready to 
travel down the mountain, it started snowing again.  Not much stuck because it 
was mixed with rain but the temperatures are dropping.  I may have a dusting by 
morning.  I had slacked off stoking the fire like I was Casey Jones but now it 
is roaring again.  Sam likes it that way!  
   Before I lose the telephone this note better get sent.  Hopefully you all 
would know to simply get on the air and find me as usual but I like a certain 
thoroughness and stability in my methods.  Now back to the bench to find a bug 
in my firmware.  I find this to be a lot of the fun of buiding around 
microcontrollers ;)

Please join us tomorrow evening.
 
1) Hail signs  (first letter or two of the suffix of your call)
2) NCS help (as well as QSP/QNP relay help)
 
Sunday 2300z (Sunday 3 PM PST) 14050 kHz
Monday 0100z (Sunday 5 PM PST)  7045 kHz
( Should we move the later net back to 0200z? )
 
   Stay warm,
  Kevin.  KD5ONS
 
ecn.visionseer.com  for net details

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RE: [Elecraft] FS: KBT-2 internal battery for K2

[N1IX]

The KBT-2 has been spoken for. Thanks for all of the interest.

Dave N1iX

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I am no longer in need of my assembled KBT-2 battery kit for the K2. 
I will ship it for $40

Dave N1IX

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Re: [Elecraft] fo5a/MM

[Tom Childers, N5GE]

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:16:41 -0800, you wrote:

FO5A/MM is now on 7.228  at 0614Z.  We just worked him 5X9  in Portland, 
Oregon.

73,

Steve N7VS and Caroline KC6MZY
[snip]

Why am I seeing DX spots here?

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RE: [Elecraft] fo5a/MM

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

I just worked him from the Oregon coast (South Beach) at 0507Z using K3 S/N
10. 

0614??? Aren't you off by an hour?? Your message was posted at 0445Z (2045
PST)

Tnx for the heads-up!

Ron AC7AC

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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 22:16:41 -0800, you wrote:

FO5A/MM is now on 7.228  at 0614Z.  We just worked him 5X9  in 
Portland, Oregon.

73,

Steve N7VS and Caroline KC6MZY
[snip]

Why am I seeing DX spots here?

Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq


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